Should male-female interdancing be banned?

[Daniel]

The thing about you Erica is you're a liberal. As one you are against religion, tradition and would like to see some form of socialism. If you're not for any of these things than you're not a liberal, but you state you are. If these are your fews than you are totally lost.

You're always giving excuses for blacks. Whenever a black is involved in a news story, you refuse to completely blame the blacks, like with the Jena Six. You refuse to see the white point of view, and instead, side with the blacks, because that's what you are. You always claim to be impartial, but you're not fooling any one. In the Jena Six dicussions you clearly thought those black animals were innocent. You say they weren't, but your additional comments suggest otherwise.

You're always putting down religion, saying this isn't right and that's wrong. If you're not into the concept of religion, why bother coming to a religious forum?

Based on my observations, you truly are a liberal. I see there is no possible way to reason with you, because liberals simply cannot be reasoned with, so, I will just stop trying.

I'm not against religion, Barach. And about this "you refuse to see the white point of view" bologney, you're wrong. You ONLY want me to see the 'white point of view' when there is more to the story. I didn't say that the Jena 6 were innocent for what they did. I didn't exuse them from their crime and I even went so far as to state that they could have walked away after Justin Barker made racial slurs against them. White people committed the same crimes against black boys in the same town but no one wants to see that... Those white kids who contributed in crimes against blacks in Jena never saw jail for 8 months, nor 8 minutes. The Jena 6 spent upwards of 8-10 months behind bars in an adult facility. I think that's enough. That dosen't mean I'm excusing them for what they did... I dont' think ANYONE needs to be behind bars for 1 year or the 22 years the Jena boys were about to get for a schoolyard fight. The punishment should have been handed down by school officials...expulsion would have been a great way to punish the Jena 6 for what they did.

And again, you are such a liar, I NEVER said that the Jena 6 were innocent!!! I EVEN state it in my latest VIDEO, so you can hear the words come straight out of my mouth, you angry person!

I NEVER put down religion, again..I'm trying to refrain from calling you names.... And since the forum is so religious, when did the Torah or the Bible say it was okay to call black people out of their names like monkeys? How religious is that?

And you don't have to reason with me. And I don't have to reason with you. We have opinions for a reason, because they differ. Otherwise it would be called "an agreement". You don't seem to understand that your word isn't the law of the land or the end all to be all of communication.

I'll agree, you should stop trying to do what I NEVER asked you to do; reason with me.

You're so right, Erica. There's such a great deal of hypocrisy on this forum. Whenever someone spews out disgusting racist language, that's completely tolerated. But I dare happen to mention something of a sexual nature, then I'll be told that what I'm saying is inappropriate for a religious forum. So that means that racist language is permissible on a religious forum, but sexual language is not? I'd expect that religious people and a religious forum would have just as much o a problem with racist language as with sexual language.

[Eliezer Ben Avraham]

The thing about you Erica is you're a liberal. As one you are against religion, tradition and would like to see some form of socialism. If you're not for any of these things than you're not a liberal, but you state you are. If these are your fews than you are totally lost.

You're always giving excuses for blacks. Whenever a black is involved in a news story, you refuse to completely blame the blacks, like with the Jena Six. You refuse to see the white point of view, and instead, side with the blacks, because that's what you are. You always claim to be impartial, but you're not fooling any one. In the Jena Six dicussions you clearly thought those black animals were innocent. You say they weren't, but your additional comments suggest otherwise.

You're always putting down religion, saying this isn't right and that's wrong. If you're not into the concept of religion, why bother coming to a religious forum?

Based on my observations, you truly are a liberal. I see there is no possible way to reason with you, because liberals simply cannot be reasoned with, so, I will just stop trying.

I'm not against religion, Barach. And about this "you refuse to see the white point of view" bologney, you're wrong. You ONLY want me to see the 'white point of view' when there is more to the story. I didn't say that the Jena 6 were innocent for what they did. I didn't exuse them from their crime and I even went so far as to state that they could have walked away after Justin Barker made racial slurs against them. White people committed the same crimes against black boys in the same town but no one wants to see that... Those white kids who contributed in crimes against blacks in Jena never saw jail for 8 months, nor 8 minutes. The Jena 6 spent upwards of 8-10 months behind bars in an adult facility. I think that's enough. That dosen't mean I'm excusing them for what they did... I dont' think ANYONE needs to be behind bars for 1 year or the 22 years the Jena boys were about to get for a schoolyard fight. The punishment should have been handed down by school officials...expulsion would have been a great way to punish the Jena 6 for what they did.

And again, you are such a liar, I NEVER said that the Jena 6 were innocent!!! I EVEN state it in my latest VIDEO, so you can hear the words come straight out of my mouth, you angry person!

I NEVER put down religion, again..I'm trying to refrain from calling you names.... And since the forum is so religious, when did the Torah or the Bible say it was okay to call black people out of their names like monkeys? How religious is that?

And you don't have to reason with me. And I don't have to reason with you. We have opinions for a reason, because they differ. Otherwise it would be called "an agreement". You don't seem to understand that your word isn't the law of the land or the end all to be all of communication.

I'll agree, you should stop trying to do what I NEVER asked you to do; reason with me.

You're so right, Erica. There's such a great deal of hypocrisy on this forum. Whenever someone spews out disgusting racist language, that's completely tolerated. But I dare happen to mention something of a sexual nature, then I'll be told that what I'm saying is inappropriate for a religious forum. So that means that racist language is permissible on a religious forum, but sexual language is not? I'd expect that religious people and a religious forum would have just as much o a problem with racist language as with sexual language.

There is no mitzvah that forbids racism. There are many mitzvot that forbid sex related things. The concept of a "Chosen People" and a "Holy People" is certainly racist in my eyes, but it is reiterated throughout the Torah. Therefore in my eyes Judaism has many racist aspects, but that won't stop me from being any more Jewish.

[Daniel]

The thing about you Erica is you're a liberal. As one you are against religion, tradition and would like to see some form of socialism. If you're not for any of these things than you're not a liberal, but you state you are. If these are your fews than you are totally lost.

You're always giving excuses for blacks. Whenever a black is involved in a news story, you refuse to completely blame the blacks, like with the Jena Six. You refuse to see the white point of view, and instead, side with the blacks, because that's what you are. You always claim to be impartial, but you're not fooling any one. In the Jena Six dicussions you clearly thought those black animals were innocent. You say they weren't, but your additional comments suggest otherwise.

You're always putting down religion, saying this isn't right and that's wrong. If you're not into the concept of religion, why bother coming to a religious forum?

Based on my observations, you truly are a liberal. I see there is no possible way to reason with you, because liberals simply cannot be reasoned with, so, I will just stop trying.

I'm not against religion, Barach. And about this "you refuse to see the white point of view" bologney, you're wrong. You ONLY want me to see the 'white point of view' when there is more to the story. I didn't say that the Jena 6 were innocent for what they did. I didn't exuse them from their crime and I even went so far as to state that they could have walked away after Justin Barker made racial slurs against them. White people committed the same crimes against black boys in the same town but no one wants to see that... Those white kids who contributed in crimes against blacks in Jena never saw jail for 8 months, nor 8 minutes. The Jena 6 spent upwards of 8-10 months behind bars in an adult facility. I think that's enough. That dosen't mean I'm excusing them for what they did... I dont' think ANYONE needs to be behind bars for 1 year or the 22 years the Jena boys were about to get for a schoolyard fight. The punishment should have been handed down by school officials...expulsion would have been a great way to punish the Jena 6 for what they did.

And again, you are such a liar, I NEVER said that the Jena 6 were innocent!!! I EVEN state it in my latest VIDEO, so you can hear the words come straight out of my mouth, you angry person!

I NEVER put down religion, again..I'm trying to refrain from calling you names.... And since the forum is so religious, when did the Torah or the Bible say it was okay to call black people out of their names like monkeys? How religious is that?

And you don't have to reason with me. And I don't have to reason with you. We have opinions for a reason, because they differ. Otherwise it would be called "an agreement". You don't seem to understand that your word isn't the law of the land or the end all to be all of communication.

I'll agree, you should stop trying to do what I NEVER asked you to do; reason with me.

You're so right, Erica. There's such a great deal of hypocrisy on this forum. Whenever someone spews out disgusting racist language, that's completely tolerated. But I dare happen to mention something of a sexual nature, then I'll be told that what I'm saying is inappropriate for a religious forum. So that means that racist language is permissible on a religious forum, but sexual language is not? I'd expect that religious people and a religious forum would have just as much o a problem with racist language as with sexual language.

There is no mitzvah that forbids racism. There are many mitzvot that forbid sex related things. The concept of a "Chosen People" and a "Holy People" is certainly racist in my eyes, but it is reiterated throughout the Torah. Therefore in my eyes Judaism has many racist aspects, but that won't stop me from being any more Jewish.

There's a big difference between believing that the Jews are the chosen people and engaging in disgusting and wanton racist language. We should also deem what is appropriate or inappropriate by common sense and common decency and be consistent and equitable about it.

[Eliezer Ben Avraham]

There's a big difference between believing that the Jews are the chosen people and engaging in disgusting and wanton racist language. We should also deem what is appropriate or inappropriate by common sense and common decency and be consistent and equitable about it.

What is the difference? Racism is ok when it's biblical but otherwise it isn't? Saying that a people is "Chosen" means that other people are therefore not "chosen", that's racism. Thats saying that one race is superior.
What you consider common decency is just what the liberals around you have decided to call "decent" in their sick and twisted ideas of morals and ethics.
I am consistent. I always take the Jewish side of the issue, from a humanitarian point of view I am filled with contradictions, but the way I see it I am very consistent because I always base my view on the same question, "Is it good for the Jew?"

[Daniel]

There's a big difference between believing that the Jews are the chosen people and engaging in disgusting and wanton racist language. We should also deem what is appropriate or inappropriate by common sense and common decency and be consistent and equitable about it.

What is the difference? Racism is ok when it's biblical but otherwise it isn't? Saying that a people is "Chosen" means that other people are therefore not "chosen", that's racism. Thats saying that one race is superior.
What you consider common decency is just what the liberals around you have decided to call "decent" in their sick and twisted ideas of morals and ethics.
I am consistent. I always take the Jewish side of the issue, from a humanitarian point of view I am filled with contradictions, but the way I see it I am very consistent because I always base my view on the same question, "Is it good for the Jew?"

Where in the bible does it say that it is good for the Jew to engage in wanton racial epithets against black people?

[Eliezer Ben Avraham]

There's a big difference between believing that the Jews are the chosen people and engaging in disgusting and wanton racist language. We should also deem what is appropriate or inappropriate by common sense and common decency and be consistent and equitable about it.

What is the difference? Racism is ok when it's biblical but otherwise it isn't? Saying that a people is "Chosen" means that other people are therefore not "chosen", that's racism. Thats saying that one race is superior.
What you consider common decency is just what the liberals around you have decided to call "decent" in their sick and twisted ideas of morals and ethics.
I am consistent. I always take the Jewish side of the issue, from a humanitarian point of view I am filled with contradictions, but the way I see it I am very consistent because I always base my view on the same question, "Is it good for the Jew?"

Where in the bible does it say that it is good for the Jew to engage in wanton racial epithets against black people?

Blacks have traditionally been very anti-Semitic, so why should I fight for the rights of a person who will turn around and fight against me?
Blacks will fight for Black rights and thats fine, but as a Jew I feel no need to fight for the rights of someone who will use those rights to fight against me.

[Dr. Dan]

There's a big difference between believing that the Jews are the chosen people and engaging in disgusting and wanton racist language. We should also deem what is appropriate or inappropriate by common sense and common decency and be consistent and equitable about it.

What is the difference? Racism is ok when it's biblical but otherwise it isn't? Saying that a people is "Chosen" means that other people are therefore not "chosen", that's racism. Thats saying that one race is superior.
What you consider common decency is just what the liberals around you have decided to call "decent" in their sick and twisted ideas of morals and ethics.
I am consistent. I always take the Jewish side of the issue, from a humanitarian point of view I am filled with contradictions, but the way I see it I am very consistent because I always base my view on the same question, "Is it good for the Jew?"

We have to be careful on how we interpret "chosen"...

We are chosen because we received the Torah on Sinai for all generations...because we chose it.
We are chosen not in the sense that we are better than any nation...we aren't better than any nation...we are as other nations...Some nations are good at certain things like art, music, dancing, medicine etc.... WE Jews as a nation are good at priestliness.. When we are good, we are blessed and rewarded. When we are evil, we are punished...and to make it a little more interesting for Gd...when we are good, we are doubly rewared...but when we are evil, we are doubley punished!  And we as Jews on Sinai chose this...that's why we are chosen...no better nor worse than anyone else.

[Eliezer Ben Avraham]

I just don't see being Chosen as racism. Yes, G-d chose the Jewish nation but still loves all nations. Is was not the Jewish nation that called themselves the "Chosen People" first, but it was G-d who said "You are my chosen people" Did G-d then make a racist choice?

 To me being chosen does not mean superiority, it just means being chosen to have to follow certain commandments that Gentiles do not have to.

Being chosen in the sense of having more responsibility...mutual responsibility ie- when one Jew sins, it is not he alone who suffers, but the entire Jewish nation. That to me is what the Chosen People means. When it comes to Gentiles, G-d loves them as much, but chose the Jewish nation to be His "First Born Son" in a manner of speaking the Jewish nation is like an older brother to all gentiles.
Not to mention being chosen to be "A light unto all nations"

Being the Chosen people to me is not about being better, superior, racism but just about having DIFFERENT responsibilities than Gentiles. G-d loves all of us, made us equal and in His essence but just as an older brother in a family has more responsibilities to set a good example to his younger siblings, the Jewish nation is in that position as well, while all siblings are loved the same by their parents.

To me it's not racism...it's a blessing. Therefore, one should take being "the Chosen nation" with great humility and allways inspire good to come from their every action.

I dont see how being "Holy" and "Chosen" would not cause a people to be considered, (at least in the eyes of others), superior.

[Romantic Manifesto]

All this stuff and nonsense about BANNING.

What is the common bond that joins us here?

                Is it not FREEDOM?

I am not religious.  I do not believe.  I don't care what people CHOOSE to do with their lives as long as I am free to live mine and make my OWN choices.  Be it abortion, sexual preference or a hedonism (which combined with integrity makes living a very pleasant experience indeed).

As a non-believer, I insist that my freedom is more important than your religion.

[Eliezer Ben Avraham]

There's a big difference between believing that the Jews are the chosen people and engaging in disgusting and wanton racist language. We should also deem what is appropriate or inappropriate by common sense and common decency and be consistent and equitable about it.

What is the difference? Racism is ok when it's biblical but otherwise it isn't? Saying that a people is "Chosen" means that other people are therefore not "chosen", that's racism. Thats saying that one race is superior.
What you consider common decency is just what the liberals around you have decided to call "decent" in their sick and twisted ideas of morals and ethics.
I am consistent. I always take the Jewish side of the issue, from a humanitarian point of view I am filled with contradictions, but the way I see it I am very consistent because I always base my view on the same question, "Is it good for the Jew?"

We have to be careful on how we interpret "chosen"...

We are chosen because we received the Torah on Sinai for all generations...because we chose it.
We are chosen not in the sense that we are better than any nation...we aren't better than any nation...we are as other nations...Some nations are good at certain things like art, music, dancing, medicine etc.... WE Jews as a nation are good at priestliness.. When we are good, we are blessed and rewarded. When we are evil, we are punished...and to make it a little more interesting for Gd...when we are good, we are doubly rewared...but when we are evil, we are doubley punished!  And we as Jews on Sinai chose this...that's why we are chosen...no better nor worse than anyone else.

We are chosen because we are G-d's people and we have a special covenant with him.

[Dr. Dan]

There's a big difference between believing that the Jews are the chosen people and engaging in disgusting and wanton racist language. We should also deem what is appropriate or inappropriate by common sense and common decency and be consistent and equitable about it.

What is the difference? Racism is ok when it's biblical but otherwise it isn't? Saying that a people is "Chosen" means that other people are therefore not "chosen", that's racism. Thats saying that one race is superior.
What you consider common decency is just what the liberals around you have decided to call "decent" in their sick and twisted ideas of morals and ethics.
I am consistent. I always take the Jewish side of the issue, from a humanitarian point of view I am filled with contradictions, but the way I see it I am very consistent because I always base my view on the same question, "Is it good for the Jew?"

We have to be careful on how we interpret "chosen"...

We are chosen because we received the Torah on Sinai for all generations...because we chose it.
We are chosen not in the sense that we are better than any nation...we aren't better than any nation...we are as other nations...Some nations are good at certain things like art, music, dancing, medicine etc.... WE Jews as a nation are good at priestliness.. When we are good, we are blessed and rewarded. When we are evil, we are punished...and to make it a little more interesting for Gd...when we are good, we are doubly rewared...but when we are evil, we are doubley punished!  And we as Jews on Sinai chose this...that's why we are chosen...no better nor worse than anyone else.

We are chosen because we are G-d's people and we have a special covenant with him.

but it doesn't make us better...it simply makes us a nation as well...a nation of priests...Gd's first born

[Tzvi Ben Roshel1]

stop being politically incorrect. G-d said in the Torah that they Jews are his chosen, special nation, and that He loves them the most from all the nations. Their is many times of mention of this. Will and does this cause anti-semitism? YES. But the facts are the facts. Also just becuase Jews are chosen doesnt make all the other nations scumm or filth, etc as anti-semites claim the Torah and Talmud teaches, but definitly just like theirs a difference between a Human and an Animal, their is a difference between an Israelite (Jew) who does G-d's will, compared to a non-Jew. This isn't a genetic superiority, but a spiritual superiority which means that in the spiritual outlook everything is appreciated but their are different levels.
 Mineral- Plant- Animal-Human- Jew who loves G-d. (and subdivisions within each category).

[Dr. Dan]

well written, mills

[Dr. Dan]

stop being politically incorrect. G-d said in the Torah that they Jews are his chosen, special nation, and that He loves them the most from all the nations. Their is many times of mention of this. Will and does this cause anti-semitism? YES. But the facts are the facts. Also just becuase Jews are chosen doesnt make all the other nations scumm or filth, etc as anti-semites claim the Torah and Talmud teaches, but definitly just like theirs a difference between a Human and an Animal, their is a difference between an Israelite (Jew) who does G-d's will, compared to a non-Jew. This isn't a genetic superiority, but a spiritual superiority which means that in the spiritual outlook everything is appreciated but their are different levels.
 Mineral- Plant- Animal-Human- Jew who loves G-d. (and subdivisions within each category).

you know, tzvi, you remind me of this guy i met in Jerusalem this summer.. He corrected the way i was wearing the t'fillin..and then somehow, in regards to the shel-rosh of the t'fillin, he said it belonged in that spot because that's where the shekhina or something like that..or the soul was located...the prefrontal lobe..the area which allows us to judge and to keep ourselves from doing the wrong thing...and he also said that only Jews had this...

I said, "what about righteous gentiles"
and he said, "No only Jews have this in their brain."
and then I said, "well, what about evil Jews..." He didn't answer fully..
and i followed up, "what about converts to Judaism?"  he didn't answer...I walked away...

This isn't about political correctness. Gd is the ultimate Father of all nations.  Each nation is one of His children. We are the eldest...the Eldest child has a duty different from all other children...the first born to be the leader of showing light.  However, all of Gd's other children also have a stake...each to be chosen in something else...All equal..all of Gd's love..however, we are particularly important...Gd will never make us disappear Gd forbid.  Without us there woudl be chaos.

However, we are not higher than anyone or any nation.  We are not more righteous than any other nation. Quite simply, we are very very important for the world...and if anyone tries to mess with us, well, Gd will have His way with them..and if anyone blesses us, Gd will bless them.  And if we screw around as a nation, Gd will really really really screw us over big time, Gd forbid.

Therefore, in conclusion, we are a special people..but we aren't necessarily better nor superior in anyway.

In other words, all fruits are equal in taste...but when comparing Jews with Africans with Europeans with Asians with Inidians you are compariing apples with oranges with pears with watermelons, with strawberries...All unique fruits, but all equally healthy to eat.

[mosquewatch]

Should male-female interdancing be banned?

As a Gentile I vote no. People with the intent to cheat on their spouses will do it anyway. The idea that dancing will lead to "other things" in my opinion is not a valid argument. But I guess we could ban music put women in burqas, tell them not too leave the home, that would solve the problem. ( sarcasm )

[Daniel]

There's a big difference between believing that the Jews are the chosen people and engaging in disgusting and wanton racist language. We should also deem what is appropriate or inappropriate by common sense and common decency and be consistent and equitable about it.

What is the difference? Racism is ok when it's biblical but otherwise it isn't? Saying that a people is "Chosen" means that other people are therefore not "chosen", that's racism. Thats saying that one race is superior.
What you consider common decency is just what the liberals around you have decided to call "decent" in their sick and twisted ideas of morals and ethics.
I am consistent. I always take the Jewish side of the issue, from a humanitarian point of view I am filled with contradictions, but the way I see it I am very consistent because I always base my view on the same question, "Is it good for the Jew?"

What is this business with labeling everything as being "liberal" when basic decency doesn't have anything to do with political affiliation. There are people on the far left who speak the same way about Jews. Then when I correct them in the same way, then all of a sudden, I'm thinking and speaking like a "Zionist." People on both extreme sides always need someone to scapegoat and name call.

[Daniel]

There's a big difference between believing that the Jews are the chosen people and engaging in disgusting and wanton racist language. We should also deem what is appropriate or inappropriate by common sense and common decency and be consistent and equitable about it.

What is the difference? Racism is ok when it's biblical but otherwise it isn't? Saying that a people is "Chosen" means that other people are therefore not "chosen", that's racism. Thats saying that one race is superior.
What you consider common decency is just what the liberals around you have decided to call "decent" in their sick and twisted ideas of morals and ethics.
I am consistent. I always take the Jewish side of the issue, from a humanitarian point of view I am filled with contradictions, but the way I see it I am very consistent because I always base my view on the same question, "Is it good for the Jew?"

Where in the bible does it say that it is good for the Jew to engage in wanton racial epithets against black people?

Blacks have traditionally been very anti-Semitic, so why should I fight for the rights of a person who will turn around and fight against me?
Blacks will fight for Black rights and thats fine, but as a Jew I feel no need to fight for the rights of someone who will use those rights to fight against me.

There's a big difference between not fighting for someone's rights and going out of your way to bad mouth them with the most inflammatory language possible. Nobody is saying we need to fight for their rights. But why engage in this type of language which does nothing except to make us look really bad?

[Tzvi Ben Roshel1]

danny you arent making real sense. You are comparing Jews to africans, and any other group and saying were all equal? - this is the true thinking of western civilization, and not the word of G-d.
 G-d say I will bless those that Bless You (talking to the Jews, true descendents of Avraham), and not to any other nation for example. In your way of thinking please tell me why is a human any better then a gorilla? or a Monkey better then an apple? after all their all of G-ds creations. (truthfully yes in that sense we have to appreciate everything and everyone no matter what species or nation), but still their is no comparision between the role of a Jew compared to anything/anyone else in this material world.
 The truth is that, allmost nothin gor noone is really equal. Something are better then others, and some individuals are better then other. Sometimes one Jew is worth thousands of others.

[Daniel]

danny you arent making real sense. You are comparing Jews to africans, and any other group and saying were all equal? - this is the true thinking of western civilization, and not the word of G-d.
 G-d say I will bless those that Bless You (talking to the Jews, true descendents of Avraham), and not to any other nation for example. In your way of thinking please tell me why is a human any better then a gorilla? or a Monkey better then an apple? after all their all of G-ds creations. (truthfully yes in that sense we have to appreciate everything and everyone no matter what species or nation), but still their is no comparision between the role of a Jew compared to anything/anyone else in this material world.
 The truth is that, allmost nothin gor noone is really equal. Something are better then others, and some individuals are better then other. Sometimes one Jew is worth thousands of others.

There's a big difference between comparing a monkey to a gorilla and comparing humans to humans. Who are we to complain so incessantly about antisemitism when we engage in the same exact type of behavior towards other people. If we treat other people this way, then we have no right to complain when they treat us in the same way. Otherwise, we're engaging in double standards. Wasn't it Rabbi Hillel who said, "What is hateful to you, do not do unto others?" What? Was he just referring to the Jews when he said this?

Regardless of whatever religious beliefs we have, that still doesn't excuse us being abusive towards other people while expecting them to just welcome it and return the favor by treating us with respect or to be dismayed and shocked when they treat us the same way.

[Eliezer Ben Avraham]

Regardless of whatever religious beliefs we have, that still doesn't excuse us being abusive towards other people while expecting them to just welcome it and return the favor by treating us with respect or to be dismayed and shocked when they treat us the same way.

See this is the essential difference between us. You view things from a humanitarian perspective. I complain about anit-Semitism because it is bad for the Jew, not because I believe all people are equal.
"They" should have no control over how to treat us. We belong in our own land (Israel) away from the rest of the world. We are separate from the rest of the world and the world will stay separate from us. That is the Jewish dream.

[Daniel]

Regardless of whatever religious beliefs we have, that still doesn't excuse us being abusive towards other people while expecting them to just welcome it and return the favor by treating us with respect or to be dismayed and shocked when they treat us the same way.

See this is the essential difference between us. You view things from a humanitarian perspective. I complain about anit-Semitism because it is bad for the Jew, not because I believe all people are equal.
"They" should have no control over how to treat us. We belong in our own land (Israel) away from the rest of the world. We are separate from the rest of the world and the world will stay separate from us. That is the Jewish dream.

Fine. So "they" will only care about themselves and complain about black racism because it's bad for the black and then deem it okay to pick on the Jew while "we" will only care about ourselves and complain about antisemitism because it's bad for the Jew and then deem it okay to pick on the black. If we don't view things from a humanitarian perspective, then how should we expect others to view things?

[Eliezer Ben Avraham]

Regardless of whatever religious beliefs we have, that still doesn't excuse us being abusive towards other people while expecting them to just welcome it and return the favor by treating us with respect or to be dismayed and shocked when they treat us the same way.

See this is the essential difference between us. You view things from a humanitarian perspective. I complain about anit-Semitism because it is bad for the Jew, not because I believe all people are equal.
"They" should have no control over how to treat us. We belong in our own land (Israel) away from the rest of the world. We are separate from the rest of the world and the world will stay separate from us. That is the Jewish dream.

Fine. So "they" will only care about themselves and complain about black racism because it's bad for the black and then deem it okay to pick on the Jew while "we" will only care about ourselves and complain about antisemitism because it's bad for the Jew and then deem it okay to pick on the black. If we don't view things from a humanitarian perspective, then how should we expect others to view things?

We don't expect others to view things the way we do. We fight anti-Semitism, not them. I don't expect a black to fight anti-Semitism, its my job not theirs

[Tzvi Ben Roshel1]

danny you arent making real sense. You are comparing Jews to africans, and any other group and saying were all equal? - this is the true thinking of western civilization, and not the word of G-d.
 G-d say I will bless those that Bless You (talking to the Jews, true descendents of Avraham), and not to any other nation for example. In your way of thinking please tell me why is a human any better then a gorilla? or a Monkey better then an apple? after all their all of G-ds creations. (truthfully yes in that sense we have to appreciate everything and everyone no matter what species or nation), but still their is no comparision between the role of a Jew compared to anything/anyone else in this material world.
 The truth is that, allmost nothin gor noone is really equal. Something are better then others, and some individuals are better then other. Sometimes one Jew is worth thousands of others.

Regardless of whatever religious beliefs we have, that still doesn't excuse us being abusive towards other people while expecting them to just welcome it and return the favor by treating us with respect or to be dismayed and shocked when they treat us the same way.

Who said about being abusive towards other people? No one suggested it, so dont put words in other peoples mouth.

[Daniel]

danny you arent making real sense. You are comparing Jews to africans, and any other group and saying were all equal? - this is the true thinking of western civilization, and not the word of G-d.
 G-d say I will bless those that Bless You (talking to the Jews, true descendents of Avraham), and not to any other nation for example. In your way of thinking please tell me why is a human any better then a gorilla? or a Monkey better then an apple? after all their all of G-ds creations. (truthfully yes in that sense we have to appreciate everything and everyone no matter what species or nation), but still their is no comparision between the role of a Jew compared to anything/anyone else in this material world.
 The truth is that, allmost nothin gor noone is really equal. Something are better then others, and some individuals are better then other. Sometimes one Jew is worth thousands of others.

Regardless of whatever religious beliefs we have, that still doesn't excuse us being abusive towards other people while expecting them to just welcome it and return the favor by treating us with respect or to be dismayed and shocked when they treat us the same way.

Who said about being abusive towards other people? No one suggested it, so dont put words in other peoples mouth.

No one suggested it? I see extreme racist language being spewed on here constantly. That's not suggesting it. That's directly engaging in it.

[Joe Schmo]

I see extreme racist language being spewed on here constantly.

Yes. 

There are many people here who'd rather insult than make intelligent points.