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Re: Is there collective punishment in Judaism? The left goes International ...
« Reply #1 on: February 01, 2023, 06:12:39 AM »
A country whose sins outweigh its merits is liable to be destroyed (and the righteous would be saved).
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Re: Is there collective punishment in Judaism? The left goes International ...
« Reply #2 on: February 01, 2023, 03:37:15 PM »
The Biblical Book of Numbers chapter 31 verses 7 to 18 did not make distinctions between "Good" Midianites and "Bad".

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« Reply #3 on: February 01, 2023, 03:56:54 PM »
See the book of Joshua chapter 2 verses 12 to 21 that explains why one group did merit to get better treatment than all the rest.

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« Reply #4 on: February 01, 2023, 06:56:33 PM »
Rabbi Weiner explains in the Divine Code, Third Edition, page 103, that righteous Gentiles would be saved.

The weighing of sins and merits is carried out according to the wisdom of the Knowing God. Only He knows how to measure merits against sins.

Chaim has no authority to weigh the sins and merits of Gentile countries.
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« Reply #5 on: February 14, 2023, 06:16:57 PM »
Go ask Rabbi Weiner [assuming he is still alive] if he denies the right of a country to wage a justified war against an enemy, because you claim:
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« Reply #6 on: February 14, 2023, 06:19:12 PM »
Go ask Rabbi Weiner [assuming he is still alive] if he denies the right of a country to wage a justified war against an enemy, because you claim:

That's a quote from Rabbi Weiner.
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« Reply #7 on: February 15, 2023, 12:20:26 AM »
You are assuming the way G-d acts is the way people (who are very limited) are supposed to act.
This is not necessarily true.
I have another objection but I will let you deal with the first.

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« Reply #9 on: February 15, 2023, 03:24:34 AM »
You are assuming the way G-d acts is the way people (who are very limited) are supposed to act.
This is not necessarily true.
I have another objection but I will let you deal with the first.

On the contrary, people are not supposed to weigh sins and merits like God does.
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Re: Is there collective punishment in Judaism? The left goes International ...
« Reply #10 on: February 16, 2023, 05:34:01 AM »
1 According to Rabbi Moshe Feinstein I am not obligated to explain to Hrvatski Noahid why he is not correct.
2 I do not wish to harm this web site.

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Re: Is there collective punishment in Judaism? The left goes International ...
« Reply #11 on: February 16, 2023, 06:31:23 AM »
1 According to Rabbi Moshe Feinstein I am not obligated to explain to Hrvatski Noahid why he is not correct.
2 I do not wish to harm this web site.

Hahaha!!

Guys, I have a brain. A Gentile brain, but still. I know Jews are religiously obligated to teach Gentiles the Noahide laws.

Are Gentiles more or less likely to keep the 7 laws when you demonize them for defending themselves? (I don't believe they lose the right to self-defense when you call them Nazis.)
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Hahaha!!

Guys, I have a brain. A Gentile brain, but still. I know Jews are religiously obligated to teach Gentiles the Noahide laws.

Are Gentiles more or less likely to keep the 7 laws when you demonize them for defending themselves? (I don't believe they lose the right to self-defense when you call them Nazis.)
When 2 or more religious ideals clash, the rabbis have to figure out limitations of when to apply each ideal. If you don't want to believe me, don't believe me.
The next topic of the speaker that was the inspiration for this post, is the struggle against the Erev Rav and Abarbanel's explanation about the seven nations of Canaan.

To be honest if you accept Rabbi Shimon Bar Yochai's explanation on Exodus 23:33 (Mechilta De'Rabbi Shimon Bar Yochai) you really don't need Abarbanel's explanation.
In any case here is a link to the lecture.
https://www.jewishpress.com/multimedia/radio/israel-news-talk-radio/jewish-truth-bomb/bible-class/2023/03/14/

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 Of yet one more thing we can be certain, that
 there is collective punishment for adherents of
 ‘collective’ systems like communism.

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Re: Is there collective punishment in Judaism? The left goes International ...
« Reply #15 on: October 16, 2023, 02:58:20 AM »
Rabbi Weiner explains in the Divine Code, Third Edition, page 103, that righteous Gentiles would be saved.

The weighing of sins and merits is carried out according to the wisdom of the Knowing God. Only He knows how to measure merits against sins.

Chaim has no authority to weigh the sins and merits of Gentile countries.

Who tf is Rabbi Weiner, and why would he have any authority.  I follow halacha, and it says that in war the enemy should be destroyed, and there are no innocents in amalek or any country that wages war against Jews.  So yes, God will decide to save any individual who needs to be saved.  That's not our problem and not something a Jewish army should be thinking about.

Rabbi Kahane and Rabbi Bar Hayim are the rabbis worth following on these issues.  I have no idea who Rabbi Weiner is

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Re: Is there collective punishment in Judaism? The left goes International ...
« Reply #16 on: October 16, 2023, 08:22:26 AM »
Who tf is Rabbi Weiner, and why would he have any authority.  I follow halacha, and it says that in war the enemy should be destroyed, and there are no innocents in amalek or any country that wages war against Jews.  So yes, God will decide to save any individual who needs to be saved.  That's not our problem and not something a Jewish army should be thinking about.

Rabbi Kahane and Rabbi Bar Hayim are the rabbis worth following on these issues.  I have no idea who Rabbi Weiner is

Ukraine is not waging a war against Israel. Arabs are. Focus on that instead of resurrecting old discussions. 
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Re: Is there collective punishment in Judaism? The left goes International ...
« Reply #17 on: October 16, 2023, 10:35:11 AM »
Ukraine is not waging a war against Israel. Arabs are. Focus on that instead of resurrecting old discussions.

That was who I was talking about.  Gaza.
However, you are well aware there are neonazis fighting for Zelensky (Azov battalion).  He made a deal with the devil, as a self-hating Jew.  For the sake of power.    It will not end well.   And neonazi amalek does not deserve to be saved by anyone

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« Reply #18 on: October 16, 2023, 11:06:17 AM »
That was who I was talking about.  Gaza.
However, you are well aware there are neonazis fighting for Zelensky (Azov battalion).  He made a deal with the devil, as a self-hating Jew.  For the sake of power.    It will not end well.   And neonazi amalek does not deserve to be saved by anyone

No, I am not aware of that.

I am aware that Russia has a huge demand for Nazis in order to justify its illegal war of aggressive conquest.

I am aware that Croat Azov volunteers describe the Nazi accusation as ridiculous nonsense.

I am aware that Azov was created specifically to defend Ukraine from Russian imperialists.

I am aware the media loves to demonize innocent people, as they did when they accused the Bad Blue Boys of being Nazis in Milan for raising their effing arm and singing "let the whole world know, I love only Dinamo."
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