Yesturday is today's Germany

[raiseyourfist]

should Israel end exportation/importation to Nazi Germany and not have anything to do with that Nazi country...

Germany still treat Israel like garbage when they have so much to make up for and still seek want to seek jewish  homeland collapse...

Because this is the case i, in a Kahanist Israel would want nothing to do with that country...

WHAT DOES EVERYONE ELSE THINK ON THE MATTER

[EagleEye]

I'm not sure what the average German thinks, underneith the guise of stability which the media shows.  I'd have to see hard evidence (opposition to Israel alone isn't enough evidence) to be convinced that they are secretly still nazis, but I'm open to believing it if it can be proven.

[RationalThought110]

How much does Israel depend on imports from other countries?

[EagleEye]

Germany today has hate laws where if you deny the holocaust, you go to jail.  Clearly the regimes are quite different, the quesiton is what the average German thinks, as its clear the politicians have some differences.  I'm sure bitter Germans exist, but right now they aren't controlling the Government. It's left-wing liberals (another threat) who are controlling it.

[mord]

No they have Europeans that hate Jews much more then Germans

[EagleEye]

While I disagree with the two state solution, indeed you have failed to prove that what you are saying motivates it is the true motive for it.  Many people, incorrectly, view Israel as being a colonial and oppressive state.  I think they are wrong.  But such viewpoints are out there, as you say said, in all of Europe.

[Raulmarrio2000]

The "Two States Solution" is in fact "one Pali State final solution to the Jewish Problem".
Remember that Palis have already their Jordan State. Two States to the West of Jordan would mean "dividing" Jerusalem. The original Old City would be for the terrorists, who'll soon claim that, as they have the centre of the world, then ALL the world is theirs.
Westernners prefer that "solution" because they are bitter and envious that Israel is the beggining of human civilization. They prefer to die by terror than accepting that Jews still exist.
But why blaming Germany? Even Israelis talk about a Pali State!!!
Anti-Zionism is much higher in any other European country than in Germany.

[EagleEye]

While some "nazis" are against Israel, unfortunately, many of the anti-zionists today are people who (I don't agree with this) view Israel as a Jewish Nazi state.  They believe Israel has became a militant and nationalistic state which harms its minority populations, and compare it to nazi Germany.  It's easy to say that Germans of today are equal to the past, but I simply think they swithched from one bad ideology (nazism) to another bad ideology (liberalism).

[mord]

Boycott Croatia then they were much worse then Nazis

[mord]

You know many of the U.S. soldiers and generals during ww2 were German American? Germans are the biggest ethnic group in America.

[EagleEye]

Yes, Germans have surpassed Anglo-Saxons in America.

It should be pointed out that one can oppose German politics without labeling them nazis, which to an extent trivializes the events of the past.  I'd advocate using the nazi label very cautiously, or it will cease to mean anything at all.

[mord]

Yes, Germans have surpassed Anglo-Saxons in America.

It should be pointed out that one can oppose German politics without labeling them nazis, which to an extent trivializes the events of the past.  I'd advocate using the nazi label very cautiously, or it will cease to mean anything at all.

True many Israel haters are leftists

[Dr. Dan]

I regretfully disagree with Chaim about the Germans of today versus the Nazis.

However, I understand from what he has said about them that it is necessary to be vigilant..

but that goes for most nutty people and nations.

[White Israelite]

I'm a bit confused, Germany gave Israel 2 Dolphin subs for free paid from German tax payers. Doesn't Germany also pay state of Israel for holocaust as well? At least they seem to be trying to make things right although no amount of money will restore Jewish lives that were lost. The German people today are not the same as the ones in the past.

[kellymaureen]

Two States to the West of Jordan would mean "dividing" Jerusalem.

Havent you heard, the pals are going for broke, they want ALL of Jerusalem now.

[Ulli]

I think this insane comparing of Nazi-terror and Israels struggle against terrorism causes from the holocaust. A group of Germans blame the Jews for doing the same cruel crimes like the Nazis did, to feel better. This is extreme evil. Today already live some Jews who had survived the holocaust. For this behaviour are no excuses.

Additional they are supporting muslime propaganda. Some real Nazis are traveling to Teheran frequently. In the oppinion of this left wing- nazi mix is the western civilisation not to be worth a tinker's cuss. They hate christianity, judaism and the free economy and they freely chum up to and submit under islam.

In my oppinion and i am a German, the world will be better without these traitorous groups. They have no sense for reality. On every day, the muslimes raping, killing and showing us their disrespect. The truth is, that muslimes are lazy people. They live from social care and they are responsible for over the half of all serious crimes. Muslimes are responsible for 70 percent of all rapes in Germany.

Sometimes I can't believe it. Why are taking this idiots the side of the murdermuslimes. What is so different  in the fact, that islam is not peace and that the muslimes are in Israel no victims.

Even if muslimes say openly what they want, this dhimmis will answer you

I. You have not understand the muslime correctly

II. Not all muslimes are like this

They haven't understand anything 

[Ulli]

This left wing groups in Germany don't support basic human rights

A lot of people from the whole islamic world came to us, to live free. (We have a few on our website in Germany) And than this real refugees must discover, that the murdermuslime mob continues his cruel acts in Germany, where he has begun it in the islamic countries. The left wing dhimmis fighting against the deportation of this enemies of human rights. This is disgusting.

[kellymaureen]

This left wing groups in Germany don't support basic human rights

A lot of people from the whole islamic world came to us, to live free. (We have a few on our website in Germany) And than this real refugees must discover, that the murdermuslime mob continues his cruel acts in Germany, where he has begun it in the islamic countries. The left wing dhimmis fighting against the deportation of this enemies of human rights. This is disgusting.

Its no different here.

[AussieJTFer]

Isnt' the German antifa, the extreme left wing anti-fascists pro-Israel? I have read that they hate their own country so much that they align themselves with Israel and even America based on the recent history of their country.

Germany today isn't different than any other European country, what makes it hard for Jews however is the fact that the Germans have a moral obligation to ensure that Israel survives the onslaught of muslim terror, which it has not done so. This leads Jews such as myself to believe that the Germans are still nazis that are letting the arabs do their work for them.

Nearly every European country deserves to be boycotted even though it is impractical to do so. For example, the leftwing so called humanist scandinavian countries that gave us the Oslo "peace plan", the British for having the most anti-Israel media in the world and their attempts at destroying the creation of a viable Jewish state during the mandate period, the Belgians/Dutch/French/Spanish for being the extreme muslim loving dhimmis that they are, the eastern europeans who have and always will be anti-semites and the Republic of Ireland, the most pro-PLO non-muslim country on earth whose population have formed a kind of kinship with the PLO butchers based on their own so called experiences of "oppression" at the hands of the British. The only Europeans that have any sort of sympathy for the Israelis are the Northern Irish Protestants and the Serbs (and even they are small in number).

[Ulli]

Isnt' the German antifa, the extreme left wing anti-fascists pro-Israel? I have read that they hate their own country so much that they align themselves with Israel and even America based on the recent history of their country.

Germany today isn't different than any other European country, what makes it hard for Jews however is the fact that the Germans have a moral obligation to ensure that Israel survives the onslaught of muslim terror, which it has not done so. This leads Jews such as myself to believe that the Germans are still nazis that are letting the arabs do their work for them.

Nearly every European country deserves to be boycotted even though it is impractical to do so. For example, the leftwing so called humanist scandinavian countries that gave us the Oslo "peace plan", the British for having the most anti-Israel media in the world and their attempts at destroying the creation of a viable Jewish state during the mandate period, the Belgians/Dutch/French/Spanish for being the extreme muslim loving dhimmis that they are, the eastern europeans who have and always will be anti-semites and the Republic of Ireland, the most pro-PLO non-muslim country on earth whose population have formed a kind of kinship with the PLO butchers based on their own so called experiences of "oppression" at the hands of the British. The only Europeans that have any sort of sympathy for the Israelis are the Northern Irish Protestants and the Serbs (and even they are small in number).

You are right. There is a group on the left called Anti-Germans. They call themselve "left-wing". They are against German nationalism and for the power of the USA which brings order. They are for free market economy. One speaker of them is Justus Wertmüller. He likes Israel, the USA and in his oppinion is somebody who criticizes capitalism only right, when he want to perfect capitalism. He said all other ways lead to death and powerty, like i do. He thinks the civically society is the best society we ever have had in German history. In his oppinion is our western civilisation the only civilisation, that ever existed. I think he is a atheist, like all members of this small group. When i would be no christian i would join them instantly. Justus Wertmüller calls himself sometimes a communist, but he is not, like his fellows.



The group called Bahamas. They have only a small group of fellows, but i think they belong to the smartest authors in Germany.

This is their website:
http://www.redaktion-bahamas.org/

[AussieJTFer]

Thanks for the information Goldfasan. I don't understand german so I have no idea of the content of that website, I might put it through babelfish later on when I get home even though some of the translations are a bit dodgy.

[Ulli]

Thanks for the information Goldfasan. I don't understand german so I have no idea of the content of that website, I might put it through babelfish later on when I get home even though some of the translations are a bit dodgy.

Here you can read about this group in Haaretz. The author of this article called "Letter from Berlin: The anti-anti-Zionists" is Benjamin Weinthal

Call of the jungle

The magazine Bahamas is the leading publication of the hardcore pro-Israel, Anti-German communist movement, whose members advocate unconditional solidarity with Israel. Its founders chose the name Bahamas in 1992 as a sort of an ironic rejoinder to the Communist Alliance in Hamburg, whose majority faction urged the Anti-Germans to immigrate to the Atlantic island nation.

Karl Nele, a co-founder of the publication, said the development of Israel solidarity was a response to the German left's "strong support for the [second] intifida" and "an anti-Zionist consensus formed from the political left to the political right" that is deeply anchored in German society. The Holocaust also informs Bahamas' militant defense of Israel as "a place of refuge for Jews."

Bahamas carved out new territory on the German left in explicitly supporting the U.S.-led wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. In a 2003 conference, the magazine's co-founder Justus Wertmueller said that the removal of a "fascistic regime with strong National Socialistic features" represents "liberation for the population." The national security of Israel was also an overriding rationale for Bahamas' support of the Iraq war.

Wertmueller, whose remarks were reprinted in the magazine, went on to suggest that "the problem is still that German and Islamic resentments are identical: anti-Western, anti-liberal, anti-Semitic. German-Islamic friendship stems from the fact that the Germans recognize themselves in political Islam, because it is fascist and at the same time gives the impression of being an indigenous culture."

In contrast to the unqualified pro-war position of Bahamas, over at Konkret, Gremliza editorialized a month before the start of the allied invasion that "I would have no objections if it could be guaranteed that Saddam Hussein's regime could be removed and replaced by a humane one, without the collateral deaths of fifty or a hundred thousand or more Iraqis and without unleashing other monsters elsewhere." While the overwhelming majority of the German left remained painfully silent about the repressive Ba'ath regime, the anti-Germans highlighted Saddam?s crimes.

Stephan Grigat, an Anti-German communist political theorist who teaches at the University of Vienna, argues that the movement should be understood as a critique of an ideology that first arose in Germany but which, he warned, could still emerge in other nations. The "German" aspect in being Anti-German is not, he says, "a matter of a hereditary national character, but a political-economic constellation that favors extermination ... This is not about a special mentality, but a specific form of capitalist socialization" that, he argues, 70 years ago "led to the Shoah [the Holocaust]. And this relationship still exists."

This helps to explain why the anti-Germans prioritize Israel as the nation - and Diaspora Jews as the people - most vulnerable, even today, to extermination, and therefore organize demonstrations to support Israel's right to self-defense.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=890853

[mord]

Most of the anti Israel power in Germany is not from the Nazis but from the left wing.Yes they have skinheads and East Germany[i'm calling it East  directional wise] Neo nazi group that gets about 7% sometimes  but the real trouble is leftists who do have power

[Boeregeneraal]

No!

You know, if you were to go to Germany, and poll atleast 50% of the populace, and find that most Germans are anti-Jewish, then YES, i will agree!
I want hard proof that the Germans and the majority are anti-Jewish, otherwise...No, no and no.

You say the germans invest in arabs, well...if your using that argument, then you are saying americans are anti-Jewish, because the americans invest waaaaay more money on the arabs! So thats a bad argument.

If you want to pick on nations, pick on the Russians...

[Wayne Jude]

Always on it Boere!