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General Category => Introduce Yourself => Topic started by: Madmarv on July 27, 2009, 06:20:04 PM
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Greetings.
I'm a christian arab living in the north section of israel, though I can't call myself a christian exactly, because I haven't read the bible, atleast not all of it, I haven't read the old nor the new testimony, and I'm not quite sure about all this religions matter.
Anyways. I came here via facebook, I was in [censored] Islam group and not sure where exactly I got the link to this website but I'm pretty sure it was from facebook and something related to [censored] Islam group.
I'm here to discuss more about the issues and threats of islam on us and the whole world, and what can we do about it. I am NOT a hater, I don't think we should hate or wage wars, muslims are just sick people in my opinion, they were raised on a spiritual cage and anyone tries to get out of it will be shot killed. I've got muslim friends, jewish and christian friends, I haven't harmed anyone nor intends to do so, I believe the roots of the problem starts with "Islam", the religion itself. ty
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Welcome to JTF :dance:
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Welcome to JTF :dance:
ty :D
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Welcome to JTF.
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welcome to JTF ...nice site, you will enjoy it because it offers so much information!
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Welcome.
ברוך הבא לפורום שלנו
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welcome....I am also a Christian, although I do not like that particular word because Hitler called himself a Christian... >:(
What parts of the bible have you read, if I may ask? Just curious.
I am really glad you left Islam... :dance:
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It's always good to learn people are leaving Islam!!! Glad to have you on board!!!!
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Heey! there is a big misperception going on here, I was never a muslim, there are a minority of arabs that are NOT muslims, was born christians, its not like all arabs are muslims. Agreed, christian arabs originally might not be from here, but it was long ago when christians came here and integrated themselvs with the arabic traditions and -became- arabs, I cannot not call myself an arab right now, although I know that my very true origins might be ..... from the u.s.a, or europe, but my guess is u.s.a since I'm a protestant.
Don't confuse muslim arabs with christian arabs, there is a HUGE difference ... obviously ... and the world must know that not all arabs are muslims, this really makes it hard for me to say I'm an arab when someone asks about ethnicity ... even though christian arabs have nothing in common with the muslim arabs, they are still arabs ... they dance arabic, they speak arabic, they make arabic food, they have arabic folklore, they can't just deny being arab because they are afraid people would think they are similar to muslims. That's how it is in the world today, sadly. people hear the word arab, and they automatically think muslim. I always avoid such questions because in one hand I hate people having misconceptions about me and prejudices, and in the other hand I feel like a jerk if I said "no I'm not an arab" just to avoid being taken as a muslim. Christian arabs live with a lot of contradictions and difficulties here, we are stuck between both sides, in one side jews thinking we are terrorists like most muslims are, and in the other hand we have our own conflict with muslims.
So to clarify this issue out, I was NOT a muslim, I was born as a christian, my father and mother are christians, and so are my grandparents, and my grand grandparents, and my grand grand ...
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Welcome!
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Welcome here on JTF!
أهلا وسهلا :)
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It's nice that you are not muslim, and you are friendly with Jews too, but honestly what do you want on a Kahanist/Zionist forum? No offense. ::)
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It's nice that you are not muslim, and you are friendly with Jews too, but honestly what do you want on a Kahanist/Zionist forum? No offense. ::)
What any other non-jew member wants. Just discussing stuff, mainly about Islam and the threats of Islam.
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I'm glad you're not a Muslim. We allow all decent non-Muslims even Arabs.
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I'm glad you're not a Muslim. We allow all decent non-Muslims even Arabs.
I'm glad too, for that matter :D
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Welcome.
:)
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Hello and welcome to the JTF.
I do know some Arabs, but they are Jewish so I have no issues with them. Also my niece is married to an Iranian Jew.
My concern is that many Christian Arabs have a tendency to side with muslims regarding Israel.
How do you feel about the palestinians and do you think they have any right to reside in Israel ?
Do you think that Israel should give up any land to the palestinians?
Shalom - Dox
Some of them do, only for couple of facts and they are:
1. Sympathy. They feel similar because they're both arabs, for example: there are some russian christians reside in israel. They speak hebrew and everything, you can't distinguish them from any other jews russians in here. But would you ally yourself with say.. jordanian muslims if a problem occured between you and them? christian arabs feels the same, they feel that allying themselv with jews is like betraying their own nation, in the end, we live together, my village is 50% muslims, i deal with muslims everyday, that's why, christian arabs tends to have a neutral reaction in this struggle. Believe me, if you get to deal with certain people all the time, and you speak the same language, that's reason enough to feel sympathy for them.
2. They are blinded by the media, and are extremely misinformed, and they don't know anything about Islam. All they know about islam is, the kids they play football with, the students in school, the teachers, the neighbor next door. They have no idea what Islam and what the quran contains. If they do, and they truly realize it, it would be a big shock to them as it was to me when i first started realizing the danger relying in there.
Oh believe me. Christians and muslims fights all the time here. Every year, every party, there must be a race fight or something, that's why I barely go to there parties anymore, arabs just can't handle a proper event, and many arabs do know that. I remember back in high school when 7 muslims attacked my friend and they beated the [censored] out of him, because he got a problem with one of them. They don't even have any integrity to fight face to face, they are cowards and retarded.
Regarding your last question, I'm not sure, because I know if muslims got a new land, they will just ignore it and eventually it'll be a big garbage cane like all the other muslim arabic countries. And I don't trust muslims. I smell something really big gonna happen next decade world wide.
What I would really like to see is, muslims growing some more brain cells, being more rational and tolerant, before this happens, there is no place for discussion in my opinion. I don't think Israel should allow a neighbor or even help building it before they drop the idea of killing infidles (jews and christians and pagans and etc ...) or any other fascist idea they adopt from the koran. I believe if muslims got over themselves, got more rational, stopped being so hateful against other beliefs, and really just realized how much their religion is darkening their hearts, then and only then they should be able to get a spot near israel, and I believe israel should help them get on their feet because ... we are not nazis, we can't just drop them into the sea, they were living here for a very long time, even though 2k years not any of them were living here, but history bears a lot of demographic and geographical changes, along with nations rise and nations fall, and if we kept getting back and back in history, then we will see that not ONE country have not undergone drastic changes, at least a tiny bit, be it geographically or demographically.
So no, we shouldn't kick them to oblivion and not caring what would happen to them, as long as they get more rational, bearable.
And no, we should not give all the land to anyone. What happened on 48, have changed the lang in the middle east, and we should keep the status-vu (however u write this expression :)) and just.. keep on living in peace, or what left from it.
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You sound very well reflected and neutral. And you have some very important points. I know several Christian Arabs as well as Arameans. While the Arabs mostly would like to see Islam fading or inventing itself new to become compatible with the 21st century, most Arameans would only like to see all Muslims dead.
Indeed, it is not only the Muslims, the big problem is Islam which keeps people who believe in it as hostages of it's evil Koran and Muhammad's teachings. Without Islam there would not be all this hatred among the Arabs and people in the Middle East.
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You sound very well reflected and neutral. And you have some very important points. I know several Christian Arabs as well as Arameans. While the Arabs mostly would like to see Islam fading or inventing itself new to become compatible with the 21st century, most Arameans would only like to see all Muslims dead.
Indeed, it is not only the Muslims, the big problem is Islam which keeps people who believe in it as hostages of it's evil Koran and Muhammad's teachings. Without Islam there would not be all this hatred among the Arabs and people in the Middle East.
You are right! Without Islam (the idiology) there wouldn't be Muslims. And without Muslims there wouldn't be suicide bombers, killers, murderers, terror and other evil things they do.
It's like Nazism. Without the idiology of sHitler there wouldn't be 6 million dead Jews during the Holocaust.
Idiologies are a danger and evil!
Nazism was and is terrible. But we stoped it as good as we could. But I am not sure if we can stop Islam that good as we stoped Nazism. Todays weapons allow them more evil power. They have more chances to destroy us than the Nazis had. Just imagine the Nazis had nuclear weapons! They have nuclear weapons now (Muslims). Islam is the modern Nazism, just much bader and I will not see and feel their holocaust because it will be horrible!
You can see their Terror, 9/11, Madrid (Spain), London (UK), Israel, ... Trust me, it's just the beginning it's not the end. But we can end it! We as Christian/ Jewish community, we as western civilisation can stop them! The only thing we have to do is open the mouth! Protest! I think that helps a lot and Terror is no way. Terror is a way if they won't understand what we want. There is only one way to educate them if they will not do what we want!
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Indeed.
The war they're fighting is more of a cognitive war, their religion manipulates their minds, and their religious leaders manipulate the masses. It's sad and at the same time its very dangerous, we can't win a cognitive war by weapons no matter how affective they are, its like taking a headache pills for a liver disease. It might soften the pain a little bit but it doesn't solve the problem, at all.
Its our responsibility to improve our media and make it reach the whole world, and preach about the dangers of islam, broadcast true history, expose islam and its fake prophet, only then we will step into the war as a respective opponent. Islam knows that they can't win this war with military action, so they are infiltrating every country and preaching their fake hate words to the world, not to mention, they are breeding machines! look at europe and u.s.a, the amount of muslims there is growing year after year, and god forbid there'll be a muslim majority some day unless we do something about it. The average muslim family have around 8 members, whilst the original europian family have around 2, or even less...
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Madmarv, what do you think of Joseph Farah of Worldnetdaily.com? He's a Bible believing Christian Arab who is very pro-Israel. I think he's awesome.
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hello bro
welcome to JTF
do u have any special subjects that u want to discuss ?
i think islam is extremely dangerous for the world but a parts of the world hasn't been awaken about this threat yet
islam is a big religion of 1.5b people (mostly animals)
i never met anyone to ask me that question but i just have to explain it to anyone if he wonders :
why does islam is so evil and yet there are so many people in it ?
its simple
in the past people were forced (or get killed) to be islamic, thats made alot of muslims that did the same (forcing people), and every muslim is making like 8 to 15 children
thats why they are so big religion (cult)
and its a cancer that should be taken care of early before it will be unable to stop
a jewish guy say - i will die for what i believe
a christian guy say - i will die for what i believe
a muslim guy say - you will die for what i believe
you understand the difference ?
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Yeah its so true therealyemini, and Lisa, sorry I'm not familiar with Joseph Farah, I googled him and searched in youtube, but I found few articles and videos that didn't tell me much about him. Maybe you have some link/links about his work or lifestyle, what he believes, etc etc.. would be much appreciated.
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Yeah its so true therealyemini, and Lisa, sorry I'm not familiar with Joseph Farah, I googled him and searched in youtube, but I found few articles and videos that didn't tell me much about him. Maybe you have some link/links about his work or lifestyle, what he believes, etc etc.. would be much appreciated.
Do you support the Zionism?
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Madmarv, the best thing to do would be to visit Joseph Farah's website Worldnetdaily.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com
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Do you support the Zionism?
No.
Lisa, of what I've seen in WND dot com, he expresses some interesting points of view. I don't think I disagree with him in most of his ideas.
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Here's more about Joseph Farah
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Farah
here is another pro Israel Christian from Lebanon Walid Phares
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walid_Phares
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Do you support the Zionism?
No.
Lisa, of what I've seen in WND dot com, he expresses some interesting points of view. I don't think I disagree with him in most of his ideas.
Wait, let me get this straight. You DON'T support Zionism?
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Do you support the Zionism?
No.
Lisa, of what I've seen in WND dot com, he expresses some interesting points of view. I don't think I disagree with him in most of his ideas.
Wait, let me get this straight. You DON'T support Zionism?
Lisa. An arab is arab. I'm sorry to say it but arabs will always hate us. It's too strange that how many muslims and arabs we had on our forum nowdays. I'm sure he is a provocator. You see? He is against the Zionism, against the Jewish people. I don't think that those people who lost their relatives in terror attack would be happy if they saw an arab on our forum who is against the Zionism!
It's not arab forum. It's Jewish a wonderful right wing Jewish zionist-kahanist forum with righteous gentile people. BAN HIM!! Before he will start to spying...
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Do you support the Zionism?
No.
Lisa, of what I've seen in WND dot com, he expresses some interesting points of view. I don't think I disagree with him in most of his ideas.
Wait, let me get this straight. You DON'T support Zionism?
Lisa. An arab is arab. I'm sorry to say it but arabs will always hate us. It's too strange that how many muslims and arabs we had on our forum nowdays. I'm sure he is a provocator. You see? He is against the Zionism, against the Jewish people. I don't think that those people who lost their relatives in terror attack would be happy if they saw an arab on our forum who is against the Zionism!
It's not arab forum. It's Jewish a wonderful right wing Jewish zionist-kahanist forum with righteous gentile people. BAN HIM!! Before he will start to spying...
true
and this arab didnt even refer to the important reply i posted here, why ? cuz he knows its true
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Do you support the Zionism?
No.
Lisa, of what I've seen in WND dot com, he expresses some interesting points of view. I don't think I disagree with him in most of his ideas.
Wait, let me get this straight. You DON'T support Zionism?
Lisa. An arab is arab. I'm sorry to say it but arabs will always hate us. It's too strange that how many muslims and arabs we had on our forum nowdays. I'm sure he is a provocator. You see? He is against the Zionism, against the Jewish people. I don't think that those people who lost their relatives in terror attack would be happy if they saw an arab on our forum who is against the Zionism!
It's not arab forum. It's Jewish a wonderful right wing Jewish zionist-kahanist forum with righteous gentile people. BAN HIM!! Before he will start to spying...
If you had any clue at all, you would realize that most jews are NOT Zionists. But you haven't. You immediately concluded that, because I don't support zionism, I'm a jew hater. And following this conclusion, we understand that most jews hate themselvs. And wow I should applaud to you for this: "An arab is arab. I'm sorry to say it but arabs will always hate us", you should know that most of the haters against you (if not all) are muslims, or atleast agrees with islam. Which totally contradict my own values in life. There are.... PLENTY of reasons why I don't support zionism. One of the many reasons is simply religious. I don't believe in Judaism, So I don't think that, no matter how long the jews wait here in israel, jesus won't come. But that's my own opinion, you are free to believe whatever you want as long as it does not violates my freedom at any cost - such as in islam, and why I'm against it. Zionists are merely people (who are not all jews, at least, yet) who believe that Israel should be a jewish country only - hence, israel now is a jewish country although it contrains around 20% of none jews, but its because of zionism we have now a jewish state for its jewish people (that excludes me and many others like me - for religious purposes), and they will stay there until jesus will come and rule the whole world with them in israel. Sorry but, I won't be surprised if A LOT of people do NOT support zionism. Not only for political reasons, but only for the simplest fact which is - religious.
I don't know how that makes me your enemy though ... are you angry all the time?
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and this arab didnt even refer to the important reply i posted here, why ? cuz he knows its true
umm what?
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...because of zionism we have now a jewish state for its jewish people (that excludes me and many others like me - for religious purposes
Please explain how the State of Israel excludes you and many others. What exactly are you deprived of?
Israeli Arabs have much higher living standard than Arabs in all neighboring countries. And the rights of Christians in Israel are much more respected than in any Arab country.
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Do you support the Zionism?
No.
Lisa, of what I've seen in WND dot com, he expresses some interesting points of view. I don't think I disagree with him in most of his ideas.
Wait, let me get this straight. You DON'T support Zionism?
Lisa. An arab is arab. I'm sorry to say it but arabs will always hate us. It's too strange that how many muslims and arabs we had on our forum nowdays. I'm sure he is a provocator. You see? He is against the Zionism, against the Jewish people. I don't think that those people who lost their relatives in terror attack would be happy if they saw an arab on our forum who is against the Zionism!
It's not arab forum. It's Jewish a wonderful right wing Jewish zionist-kahanist forum with righteous gentile people. BAN HIM!! Before he will start to spying...
If you had any clue at all, you would realize that most jews are NOT Zionists. But you haven't. You immediately concluded that, because I don't support zionism, I'm a jew hater. And following this conclusion, we understand that most jews hate themselvs. And wow I should applaud to you for this: "An arab is arab. I'm sorry to say it but arabs will always hate us", you should know that most of the haters against you (if not all) are muslims, or atleast agrees with islam. Which totally contradict my own values in life. There are.... PLENTY of reasons why I don't support zionism. One of the many reasons is simply religious. I don't believe in Judaism, So I don't think that, no matter how long the jews wait here in israel, jesus won't come. But that's my own opinion, you are free to believe whatever you want as long as it does not violates my freedom at any cost - such as in islam, and why I'm against it. Zionists are merely people (who are not all jews, at least, yet) who believe that Israel should be a jewish country only - hence, israel now is a jewish country although it contrains around 20% of none jews, but its because of zionism we have now a jewish state for its jewish people (that excludes me and many others like me - for religious purposes), and they will stay there until jesus will come and rule the whole world with them in israel. Sorry but, I won't be surprised if A LOT of people do NOT support zionism. Not only for political reasons, but only for the simplest fact which is - religious.
I don't know how that makes me your enemy though ... are you angry all the time?
ok lol dont teach us about our country ok ?
people are mad with people like you that dont understand that without zionism there will be a second holocaust
dont make me laugh, 97% of the jews in the world are zionist, except from the left winged and the Neturei Karta, and there are alot of zionist people who arent jews
this is a zionist forum so why did you come here ?
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...because of zionism we have now a jewish state for its jewish people (that excludes me and many others like me - for religious purposes
Please explain how the State of Israel excludes you and many others. What exactly are you deprived of?
Israeli Arabs have much higher living standard than Arabs in all neighboring countries. And the rights of Christians in Israel are much more respected than in any Arab country.
Exactly. Arab Christians in Israel are Israelis. In other Arab countries (maybe excluding Lebanon), Christian Arabs are Arabs but 3rd class!
Not to forget that they can be crucified in Gaza, since Hamas reinstated crucifixion for Christians last January. Opposing Zionism means negating the right of Israel to exist. Means he would prefer to live under Hams control with crucifixion laws? :::D
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Madmarv, Zionism is simply the desire for the Jews to have a Jewish state in Israel. With all the Christian countries in Europe and all the Muslim countries in the Middle East, why can't the Jews have one little country that is Jewish?
How does Israel as a Jewish state infringe on any of your rights? Are you saying that you would rather live under Hamas rule?
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Most of the Jews are Zionists. He hates us. And he will put the knife to our body if we will trust him. BAN HIM!
Look!
WE ARE FIGHTING NOW WITH EACH OTHER!
ARABS KILLED JEWS IN MANY TERROR ATTACKS! WE ARE KAHANISTS. THIS GAY MONKEY DOESN'T BELONG TO THE JTF! WHAT WOULD THE VICTIMS SAY? ARAB ON THE KAHANIST FORUM? IS IT A JOKE? BAN THIS FAKE CHRISTIAN NAZI!
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Arabs are a nation. And we are enemy of them. We are not only enemy of the Islam...we are enemy of arabs and they will NEVER NEVER NEVER CHANGE!!!
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Do you support the Zionism?
No.
Lisa, of what I've seen in WND dot com, he expresses some interesting points of view. I don't think I disagree with him in most of his ideas.
Wait, let me get this straight. You DON'T support Zionism?
Lisa. An arab is arab. I'm sorry to say it but arabs will always hate us. It's too strange that how many muslims and arabs we had on our forum nowdays. I'm sure he is a provocator. You see? He is against the Zionism, against the Jewish people. I don't think that those people who lost their relatives in terror attack would be happy if they saw an arab on our forum who is against the Zionism!
It's not arab forum. It's Jewish a wonderful right wing Jewish zionist-kahanist forum with righteous gentile people. BAN HIM!! Before he will start to spying...
If you had any clue at all, you would realize that most jews are NOT Zionists. But you haven't. You immediately concluded that, because I don't support zionism, I'm a jew hater. And following this conclusion, we understand that most jews hate themselvs. And wow I should applaud to you for this: "An arab is arab. I'm sorry to say it but arabs will always hate us", you should know that most of the haters against you (if not all) are muslims, or atleast agrees with islam. Which totally contradict my own values in life. There are.... PLENTY of reasons why I don't support zionism. One of the many reasons is simply religious. I don't believe in Judaism, So I don't think that, no matter how long the jews wait here in israel, jesus won't come. But that's my own opinion, you are free to believe whatever you want as long as it does not violates my freedom at any cost - such as in islam, and why I'm against it. Zionists are merely people (who are not all jews, at least, yet) who believe that Israel should be a jewish country only - hence, israel now is a jewish country although it contrains around 20% of none jews, but its because of zionism we have now a jewish state for its jewish people (that excludes me and many others like me - for religious purposes), and they will stay there until jesus will come and rule the whole world with them in israel. Sorry but, I won't be surprised if A LOT of people do NOT support zionism. Not only for political reasons, but only for the simplest fact which is - religious.
I don't know how that makes me your enemy though ... are you angry all the time?
You are a provocator. I know you hate us. You hate all Jews, you are a muslim-nazi and not Christian, if you are Christian it would not matter. You are arab and you don't support Zionism. You hate Israel, you want to provocate us
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Who the hell are you? You are joining to the forum and attacking us? We don't need you. Don't you understand? Type "ask rabbi" to the google, and then you will get many sites where you can ask about Judaism, BUT:
IT IS NOT YOUR PLACE. (WELL YOUR PLACE IS THE HELL, AND I WILL NOT TOLERATE YOU, YOU KILLED MANY JEWISH KIDS, AND BURNING CARS IN EUROPE. AND YOU KILLED MY BELOVED PRINCESS'S RELATIVES TOO.
SO LEAVE THIS FORUM VERY SOON!
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Madmarv, Zionism is simply the desire for the Jews to have a Jewish state in Israel. With all the Christian countries in Europe and all the Muslim countries in the Middle East, why can't the Jews have one little country that is Jewish?
How does Israel as a Jewish state infringe on any of your rights? Are you saying that you would rather live under Hamas rule?
I didn't say Israel as a Jewish state infringe my rights in any way, I didn't say that I hate jews or disagree with them coming to israel, or even having a country. I just disagree with the belief behind zionism that's all. Suddenly I have all the forum pointing fingers at me hatefully because of my beliefs? I don't really, at all, care if all the jews in the world came to israel... and I'm against Islam from the buttom of my heart... but Zionism is more of a religious movement, to have a jewish country for jewish people only, because they believe that jesus will come for them, to israel, and rule the world with them, only in israel, religiously and historically, and so and so ...
I really, really don't agree with that logic. If my beliefs is trespassing on your forums guidelines somehow, then sorry I didn't mean to, as I said, I've came here using a link in facebook in a group named "F*ck Islam" replace the * with u, and I hoped I could share my knowledge and ideas about islam here as well. I didn't have no idea that opposing to Zionism conceptually will make me unwelcome.
And for the love of god, everyone, I've had enough of hate speech against me, stop it, you've made your point, I'll leave, just don't explode and take your pills already.
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Who the hell are you? You are joining to the forum and attacking us? We don't need you. Don't you understand? Type "ask rabbi" to the google, and then you will get many sites where you can ask about Judaism, BUT:
IT IS NOT YOUR PLACE. (WELL YOUR PLACE IS THE HELL, AND I WILL NOT TOLERATE YOU, YOU KILLED MANY JEWISH KIDS, AND BURNING CARS IN EUROPE. AND YOU KILLED MY BELOVED PRINCESS'S RELATIVES TOO.
SO LEAVE THIS FORUM VERY SOON!
W..T..F are you talking about? what are you onto?
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Madmarv, Jews don't believe in Jesus. Christians do. There are Christian Zionists who believe in the second coming of Christ. On the other hand, Jews believe that the Messiah is yet to come.
So I still don't understand what is it about Zionism that you disagree with.
I'm Jewish. My family attended an Orthodox Jewish Synagogue when I was growing up. I have never heard any rabbi say that Jews will one day rule the world.
As for non-Jews living in Israel, we have no problem with that, as long as long as they accept the fact that Israel is a Jewish state.
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I didn't say Israel as a Jewish state infringe my rights in any way, I didn't say that I hate jews or disagree with them coming to israel, or even having a country..
I don't really, at all, care if all the jews in the world came to israel...
If you really mean that, it's great. I wonder if you have enough courage to say the same to your Arab friends.
...Zionism is more of a religious movement, to have a jewish country for jewish people only, because they believe that jesus will come for them, to israel, and rule the world with them, only in israel, religiously and historically, and so and so ...
I really, really don't agree with that logic.
Your understanding of Zionism is incorrect. I think you got from Islamic fascist or a Nazi site.
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Your understanding of Zionism is incorrect. I think you got from Islamic fascist or a Nazi site.
Then be kind and explain it to me from your own point of view, instead of flooding me with ignorant hate speech.
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Your understanding of Zionism is incorrect. I think you got from Islamic fascist or a Nazi site.
Then be kind and explain it to me from your own point of view, instead of flooding me with ignorant hate speech.
When did I flood you with hate speech?
The truth is that Jews believe that when Messiah comes, all the people on the Earth will understand that G-d is One and the Jewish religion was right. It will be so evident that all the people will accept His truth and stop to do injustice. All the wars will end. There will be the epoch of justice, wisdom and happiness.
The notion that the Jews will dominate the Earth and ensalve all other people is a vicious Jew-hating lie. It has nothing to do with Judaism and Zionism.
Judaism and Zionism do not say that the Land of Israel is for the Jews only. If a Gentile accepts 7 Laws of Noah, he/she can live in Israel and have full rights.
7 Laws of Noah:
Prohibition of Idolatry: You shall not have any idols before God.
Prohibition of Murder: You shall not murder. (Genesis 9:6)
Prohibition of Theft: You shall not steal.
Prohibition of Sexual Promiscuity: You shall not commit any of a series of sexual prohibitions, which include adultery, incest, bestiality and male homosexual intercourse.
Prohibition of Blasphemy: You shall not blaspheme God's name.
Dietary Law: Do not eat flesh taken from an animal while it is still alive. (Genesis 9:4)
Requirement to have just Laws: You shall set up an effective judiciary to enforce the preceding six laws fairly.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_Laws_of_Noah
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You should also understand that Zionism is not a religion. It is the Jewish people's movement to return to our land - the Land of Israel.
Our religion is Judaism.
But those people who say Zionism is contrary to Jusaism are LIARS. According to Judaism, living in the Land of Israel is one of the most important things that G-d requires of all the Jews.
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You should also understand that Zionism is not a religion. It is the Jewish people's movement to return to our land - the Land of Israel.
Our religion is Judaism.
But those people who say Zionism is contrary to Jusaism are LIARS. According to Judaism, living in the Land of Israel is one of the most important things that G-d requires of all the Jews.
Exactly. If i was jewish, I would agree on zionism most likely. But I'm not. Its like, asking you if you believe in our jesus, that he came and everything etc etc ... now its very normal that you don't, because you are not a christian, but that doesn't automatically make you my enemy what so ever.
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You should also understand that Zionism is not a religion. It is the Jewish people's movement to return to our land - the Land of Israel.
Our religion is Judaism.
But those people who say Zionism is contrary to Jusaism are LIARS. According to Judaism, living in the Land of Israel is one of the most important things that G-d requires of all the Jews.
Exactly. If i was jewish, I would agree on zionism most likely. But I'm not. Its like, asking you if you believe in our jesus, that he came and everything etc etc ... now its very normal that you don't, because you are not a christian, but that doesn't automatically make you my enemy what so ever.
can u please tell me JTF is Abbreviation of what ?
and i dont consider you as my enemy if u say u do not hate us, but u cant come JTF and say u dont support zionism because zionism is all what JTF about
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You should also understand that Zionism is not a religion. It is the Jewish people's movement to return to our land - the Land of Israel.
Our religion is Judaism.
But those people who say Zionism is contrary to Jusaism are LIARS. According to Judaism, living in the Land of Israel is one of the most important things that G-d requires of all the Jews.
Exactly. If i was jewish, I would agree on zionism most likely. But I'm not. Its like, asking you if you believe in our jesus, that he came and everything etc etc ... now its very normal that you don't, because you are not a christian, but that doesn't automatically make you my enemy what so ever.
can u please tell me JTF is Abbreviation of what ?
and i dont consider you as my enemy if u say u do not hate us, but u cant come JTF and say u dont support zionism because zionism is all what JTF about
Jewish Task Force? I guess..
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I know I am late in saying this but welcome!
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Welcome! I would suggest that you will enjoy this forum so long as the discussion revolves around Islam. Again, Welcome.
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Welcome! I would suggest that you will enjoy this forum so long as the discussion revolves around Islam. Again, Welcome.
Thanks. I know, I'm not here to discuss my views on Zionism or Judaism or any of this kind, at all. As stated in the very first post in this thread, I'm here to expose the evil in Islam and how its affecting us and our most precious cultures around the world.
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I have removed my welcome post to mad marv. He's back forum members!
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I have removed my welcome post to mad marv. He's back forum members!
Read my posts Elizabeth. I told him where there is his right place. >:(
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You should also understand that Zionism is not a religion. It is the Jewish people's movement to return to our land - the Land of Israel.
Our religion is Judaism.
But those people who say Zionism is contrary to Jusaism are LIARS. According to Judaism, living in the Land of Israel is one of the most important things that G-d requires of all the Jews.
Exactly. If i was jewish, I would agree on zionism most likely. But I'm not. Its like, asking you if you believe in our jesus, that he came and everything etc etc ... now its very normal that you don't, because you are not a christian, but that doesn't automatically make you my enemy what so ever.
Hum, so tell me why we have a Chinese Kahanist, Christian kahanistas and even a Hindu Kahanist, if Zionism and Kahanism is only a Jewish matter in your opinion!
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You should also understand that Zionism is not a religion. It is the Jewish people's movement to return to our land - the Land of Israel.
Our religion is Judaism.
But those people who say Zionism is contrary to Jusaism are LIARS. According to Judaism, living in the Land of Israel is one of the most important things that G-d requires of all the Jews.
Exactly. If i was jewish, I would agree on zionism most likely. But I'm not. Its like, asking you if you believe in our jesus, that he came and everything etc etc ... now its very normal that you don't, because you are not a christian, but that doesn't automatically make you my enemy what so ever.
Hum, so tell me why we have a Chinese Kahanist, Christian kahanistas and even a Hindu Kahanist, if Zionism and Kahanism is only a Jewish matter in your opinion!
I really have no idea why :) its like, having a priest Buddhist ... lol
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I have removed my welcome post to mad marv. He's back forum members!
What is a back forum member?
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You should also understand that Zionism is not a religion. It is the Jewish people's movement to return to our land - the Land of Israel.
Our religion is Judaism.
But those people who say Zionism is contrary to Jusaism are LIARS. According to Judaism, living in the Land of Israel is one of the most important things that G-d requires of all the Jews.
Exactly. If i was jewish, I would agree on zionism most likely. But I'm not. Its like, asking you if you believe in our jesus, that he came and everything etc etc ... now its very normal that you don't, because you are not a christian, but that doesn't automatically make you my enemy what so ever.
Hum, so tell me why we have a Chinese Kahanist, Christian kahanistas and even a Hindu Kahanist, if Zionism and Kahanism is only a Jewish matter in your opinion!
I really have no idea why :) its like, having a priest Buddhist ... lol
No this is not comparable. Many Christians believe there has to be a Jewish state and that Israel is the right place for that.
Also don't forget that a Jewish Temple on the Temple Mount has always been the holiest to HaShem thus you should respect G*ds will to have the Jewish people in israel and also the Temple. And surely you as a Christian have all rights to stay there, you are a Noachide - contrary to the Muslims - who deny the whole Old and New Testament!
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Marv, I don't have a problem with an Arab visiting this forum to discuss and expose the evil retrograde force that Islam is.
But to be perfectly frank with you, there are some reasons why you can not be a completely welcomed guest as far as I'm concerned.
You explain your rejection of Zionism is based primarily on your identity as a Christian, and mention that there are even Jews that don't support Zionism. Fine. But I don't believe you're being completely honest or forthright with the members of this forum.
It's my opinion that you (as an Arab) have a fundamental problem with Israel belonging to the Jewish People and being a Jewish State. Your objection to Israel is not really a theological or Christian one; it's actually based on Arab nationalism.
I'm curious, do you consider yourself a 'Palestinian' or an Israeli ? I suspect it is the former. Frankly, I'd be shocked to hear you say you're an Israeli even though you live in Israel. And to be honest, I can understand why your Arab pride makes you feel this way.
However, while I can understand your rejection of Zionism and Israel as a Jewish State, I think you should know that this makes you my enemy even if we both detest Islam.
I can believe that you don't hate Jews. But I'm fairly certain you hate the idea of Israel, even though you live there. That makes you a potentially dangerous subversive. Therefore, as a Zionist who believes in absolute Jewish sovereignty over the Land of Israel it's impossible to feel comfortable with you.
Yes, as far as Islam goes - you're the self-professed enemy of my enemy. We have that much in common. But do not be deluded that this necessarily makes you my friend.
That being said, I think your personal observations about Islam and an Arab's perspective of life in Israel can be of some value to this forum and I extend my welcome on that basis.
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I have removed my welcome post to mad marv. He's back forum members!
What is a back forum member?
You're a real smart [censored] aren't you marv?
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No this is not comparable. Many Christians believe there has to be a Jewish state and that Israel is the right place for that.
Also don't forget that a Jewish Temple on the Temple Mount has always been the holiest to HaShem thus you should respect G*ds will to have the Jewish people in israel and also the Temple. And surely you as a Christian have all rights to stay there, you are a Noachide - contrary to the Muslims - who deny the whole Old and New Testament!
Yes but being zionist is not only about having a jewish israel state, its also about the coming of the messiah for the jewish people in israel, if zionism was only about having a jewish state, nothing more, nothing less, then my concern about it is... almost nothing, I haven't cleared that completely yet, I said I'm a christian, but I don't deserv calling myself one since I haven't read the bible, and I'm not sure about everything in Christianity or any religio - kindof an agnostic. That being said, you should excuse me if I don't buy the Jewish Temple/HaShem story thing... but nonetheless I respect all religions (except Islam), and that's not my concern to dispute or confirm anything.
However, the only thing that makes me sympathize and support having a "jewish" state, is that there are not one jewish state in the world. Why not having one now? considering it is not a cult but rather a religion, with a fair amount of jews in the world and intelligent people that contributed A LOT to our world throughout history in all times...
And BTW, for your information, muslims THINK that they believe and even respect christianity and judaism, they think its written in their koran to believe in our religions, they also believe that the way we practice our religion is wrong, and even our books have been modified, and that they are right - lol no wonder.. they are always right about everything.... even f*cking animals and committing pedophilia and incest sex...
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Marv, I don't have a problem with an Arab visiting this forum to discuss and expose the evil retrograde force that Islam is.
But to be perfectly frank with you, there are some reasons why you can not be a completely welcomed guest as far as I'm concerned.
You explain your rejection of Zionism is based primarily on your identity as a Christian, and mention that there are even Jews that don't support Zionism. Fine. But I don't believe you're being completely honest or forthright with the members of this forum.
It's my opinion that you (as an Arab) have a fundamental problem with Israel belonging to the Jewish People and being a Jewish State. Your objection to Israel is not really a theological or Christian one; it's actually based on Arab nationalism.
I'm curious, do you consider yourself a 'Palestinian' or an Israeli ? I suspect it is the former. Frankly, I'd be shocked to hear you say you're an Israeli even though you live in Israel. And to be honest, I can understand why your Arab pride makes you feel this way.
However, while I can understand your rejection of Zionism and Israel as a Jewish State, I think you should know that this makes you my enemy even if we both detest Islam.
I can believe that you don't hate Jews. But I'm fairly certain you hate the idea of Israel, even though you live there. That makes you a potentially dangerous subversive. Therefore, as a Zionist who believes in absolute Jewish sovereignty over the Land of Israel it's impossible to feel comfortable with you.
Yes, as far as Islam goes - you're the self-professed enemy of my enemy. We have that much in common. But do not be deluded that this necessarily makes you my friend.
That being said, I think your personal observations about Islam and an Arab's perspective of life in Israel can be of some value to this forum and I extend my welcome on that basis.
I have been frank with everyone from the beginning.
I'm an israeli, there is no such thing as palestine, although before the year 48 there was a palestinian state for a while.
People living here in israel have a lot of inner contradictions. In the beginning there was Israel, then after the exile, many people from around the world started coming to here, and on the year 600 A.C, muslims started coming to asia and middle east, and eventually to israel. There was never a palestinian place, I'm not yet to know everything about the history of palestine but I do know this much.
Being an arab have nothing to do with my rejection to zionism. I do have a lot against arabs in general, I'm more of an open minded person, I like both eastern and western culture equally, however I do have more respect and appreciation to western culture and history, for their achievements, and simply beauty.
My rejection to zionism is totally religious. I don't think I fully agree about the idea of "god" marking a "place" on the earth (israel) and a very specific kind of "people" (jews) and there is a messiah to come later in the future to settle all things good. Sorry I just don't believe in that. That is zionism. Judaism is what the old testimony tells us. The only thing that makes me respect and appreciate Christianity a lot (and also Judaism to some extent) is the fact that its a very peaceful religion, unlike Islam, which is the opposite entirely.
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I'm shocked to hear you say you're an Israeli. I thought you'd say you're a 'palestinian' or maybe an Arab living in Israel.
Believing that Hashem gave the Land of Israel to the Jews and that someday Moshiach will come isn't the definiton of Zionism. They're integral parts of Judaism and by extension a core component of many Zionist's belief system, but one need not be a Jew, or even accept any religion at all to believe that the Jewish People are entitled to their own homeland, specifically the Land of Israel.
For sure, the religious or divine justifications for Zionism are very powerful and most often cited by the proponents of Zionism (especially on this forum). But they are not the exclusive rationale behind believing in Zionism or the necessity and rightness of a Jewish homeland. There are also numerous historical, cultural, legal, geo-political and military imperatives that are crucial to the many people that have an affinity for Zionism. One need not be Jewish, Christian, or even believe in the Bible or G-d to be a Zionist (although it sure helps).
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Marv, I don't have a problem with an Arab visiting this forum to discuss and expose the evil retrograde force that Islam is.
But to be perfectly frank with you, there are some reasons why you can not be a completely welcomed guest as far as I'm concerned.
You explain your rejection of Zionism is based primarily on your identity as a Christian, and mention that there are even Jews that don't support Zionism. Fine. But I don't believe you're being completely honest or forthright with the members of this forum.
It's my opinion that you (as an Arab) have a fundamental problem with Israel belonging to the Jewish People and being a Jewish State. Your objection to Israel is not really a theological or Christian one; it's actually based on Arab nationalism.
I'm curious, do you consider yourself a 'Palestinian' or an Israeli ? I suspect it is the former. Frankly, I'd be shocked to hear you say you're an Israeli even though you live in Israel. And to be honest, I can understand why your Arab pride makes you feel this way.
However, while I can understand your rejection of Zionism and Israel as a Jewish State, I think you should know that this makes you my enemy even if we both detest Islam.
I can believe that you don't hate Jews. But I'm fairly certain you hate the idea of Israel, even though you live there. That makes you a potentially dangerous subversive. Therefore, as a Zionist who believes in absolute Jewish sovereignty over the Land of Israel it's impossible to feel comfortable with you.
Yes, as far as Islam goes - you're the self-professed enemy of my enemy. We have that much in common. But do not be deluded that this necessarily makes you my friend.
That being said, I think your personal observations about Islam and an Arab's perspective of life in Israel can be of some value to this forum and I extend my welcome on that basis.
I have been frank with everyone from the beginning.
I'm an israeli, there is no such thing as palestine, although before the year 48 there was a palestinian state for a while.
People living here in israel have a lot of inner contradictions. In the beginning there was Israel, then after the exile, many people from around the world started coming to here, and on the year 600 A.C, muslims started coming to asia and middle east, and eventually to israel. There was never a palestinian place, I'm not yet to know everything about the history of palestine but I do know this much.
Being an arab have nothing to do with my rejection to zionism. I do have a lot against arabs in general, I'm more of an open minded person, I like both eastern and western culture equally, however I do have more respect and appreciation to western culture and history, for their achievements, and simply beauty.
My rejection to zionism is totally religious. I don't think I fully agree about the idea of "G-d" marking a "place" on the earth (israel) and a very specific kind of "people" (jews) and there is a messiah to come later in the future to settle all things good. Sorry I just don't believe in that. That is zionism. Judaism is what the old testimony tells us. The only thing that makes me respect and appreciate Christianity a lot (and also Judaism to some extent) is the fact that its a very peaceful religion, unlike Islam, which is the opposite entirely.
man
the defintation of Zionism is
national home to the jewish people in israel
it says that israel is gotta be a jewish state
without refering to the bible now, it means that jews have to live in israel, the zionist people support zionism mostly because if there is no jewish land, than the jews will be exterminated, and there will be a second holocaust
like christians got alot of countries
muzzies got alot of countries
jews must have their own country too, even if its super little like israel
and the pisslastinians are trying to take it from us illegally and barabricly
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I see your point, and I am with instating a homeland for the jews, truely, but I'm not comfortable with the "religious" ideologies that comes with Zionism. For example, all the god's-orders/instructions regarding israel or the jews in israel, like god gave the land to the jews and israel hence MUST be a jewish state (note israel only, it cannot be somewhere else) or something like that, I don't buy it. But don't take it personal, I don't buy any of the religious stuff, not only in Judaism but also in Christianity, I'm kindof agnostic but I'm not sure.
And I believe that all the none-jewish Zionists, are not really fully zionists, because they overlook the religious aspect of it, they just skip to the part where it says "and so the jews must have a jewish country and call it their own..".
Anyways, I hope I clarified this point fair enough so we can move on to welcome other members ;D
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Madmarv, stick around. You will learn about Zionism, Kahanism and perhaps will get a chance of becoming a decent human being, a Zionist, you know, a proud Christian living in Israel.
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Madmarv, stick around. You will learn about Zionism, Kahanism and perhaps will get a chance of becoming a decent human being, a Zionist, you know, a proud Christian living in Israel.
I do hope to learn more about Zionism, and I am already proud.
Thanks for your support. :)
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Welcome to JTF
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Welcome to the forums. As an Arab Christian, what do you think of the fact that the Middle East, with the exception of Persia, was almost entirely Christianized before the advent of the mad prophet named Muhammad?