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Title: AryehYehudah is banned for undermining our cause
Post by: Chaim Ben Pesach on November 04, 2008, 05:26:15 PM
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AryehYehudah made blatantly false accusations against the Serbs, comparing them to Russian and Eastern European Jew-killers. It is true that the Russians and other Eastern European nations have a long history of brutally murdering, torturing and oppressing their Jewish minorities. So AryehYehudah decided to falsely accuse the Serbs of committing these same types of crimes simply because the Serbs are Eastern European and are members of the Orthodox church.

The truth is that the Serbs were the one people in the Balkans who did NOT persecute Jews. In fact, the Serbs gave the Jews sanctuary and offered to fight together with them during the Nazi holocaust.

AryehYehudah's accusations against the Serbs are a blood libel.

Now AryehYehudah accuses JTF of being self-hating Jews for working with our Serb friends and allies.

AryehYehudah writes that JTF defends the Serbs because we are getting money from Serbs.

In fact, we get very little money from Serb donors. And our alliance with the Serbs has cost us dearly. We were banned from zootube/youtube because of our videos defending the Serbs. We had over a million views on our videos when they banned us. Just Oz's video on Islam had over 200,000 views, and we had hundreds of different videos on zootube. We lost all of it because as a matter of principle we felt that we must demand justice for our noble Serb friends.

AryehYehudah admitted that he did not know what he was talking about when he made his obscenely unjust attacks on the heroic Serb people. But even after apologizing, AryehYehudah persisted in making the ugliest statements.

Now here is a distinctly Jewish reason why we must support the Serbs:

The unilateral declaration of independence for Kosovo is a very serious threat to Israel. What if the Arab Muslim Nazis in Judea, Samaria, the Gaza District and eastern Jerusalem unilaterally declare independence? And what if the nations of the world recognize an independent "Palestine" in Israel's Biblical heartland? What is being done to the Serbs in Kosovo is a terrible precedent that can be used against tiny Israel as well, G-d forbid.

If you love Israel, then you will understand that it is essential for the sake of Israel that the Serbs recover control over their stolen province of Kosovo. If the Serbs lose this battle, then all of us will lose. America, Israel and the whole Western world will lose. These historic events do not happen in a vacuum. What happens in the Balkans affects what happens in the Middle East.

By undermining our effort to help the Serbs recover their ancient province of Kosovo, it is AryehYehudah who is behaving like a self-hating Jew.

AryehYehudah, you are an ignoramus. You spent endless hours fighting with our Serb friends instead of fighting our real enemies - the Arab Muslim Nazis and the Albanian Muslim Nazis, both of whom wish to destroy the Jewish people.

Thankfully, our great admin Shlomo has banned AryehYehudah.
Title: Re: AryehYehudah is banned for undermining our cause
Post by: knindza87 on November 04, 2008, 05:38:44 PM
I'm so sorry for this.We lost 2 great members just in one day and I feel responsible as well.We failed to keep our mind clear and solve disputes without making harsh insulting posts.Let this be a lesson for the future.
Title: Re: AryehYehudah is banned for undermining our cause
Post by: 4International on November 04, 2008, 05:47:44 PM
Shalom brother Chaim,

I am deeply upset at what has happened today but I totally understand brother Shlomo's decision after what I read - things which I had not seen before. I tried hard - REAL hard - to be a bridge of reconciliation between these 2 JTF members at this thread where you can see my multiple attempts at reconciliation between the two of them.

http://jtf.org/forum_english/index.php/topic,27979.15.html

But I failed to get my message across to either of them.This is why I detest personal ad hominem attacks. People lose their cool and say things they later regret.I agree with brother knindza87 that this sorry episode today is a sombre lesson for all of us here on JTF.

Shalom,

Joshua.
Title: Re: AryehYehudah is banned for undermining our cause
Post by: SerbChicago on November 04, 2008, 05:49:36 PM
Thank you Mr.Chaim.Yet again Chaim and JTF have show love and unselfishness to us Serbs and i thank you from bottom of my heart.Thank you.
Title: Re: AryehYehudah is banned for undermining our cause
Post by: Jasmina on November 04, 2008, 06:40:59 PM
Thank you Chaim! Now I have a question: Will Dalmacija have any chance to join our forum again? I think he is a great asset to this forum and I don't think he ment what he wrote before his banning! He is Pro Jews and real Serb!
Title: Re: AryehYehudah is banned for undermining our cause
Post by: muman613 on November 04, 2008, 07:19:34 PM
Shalom Everyone,

I am very sorry for the recent events. I feel bad for everyone involved. It sounds like there are hard feelings on every side of this issue. I am very confused as to who is right and who is wrong. I believe Chaim knows what is best for our movement and will go along with the decisions. The truth is that we MUST work together and stress our strengths and not expose our weakness.

We are a very diverse people and it is difficult for everyone to get along. Sometimes we must remain silent even when we want to say something just for the sake of peace. Of course we must stand up for the important principles but sometimes we must bite our lips in order to preserve our fragile alliances.

muman613
Title: Re: AryehYehudah is banned for undermining our cause
Post by: Rubystars on November 04, 2008, 07:50:41 PM
I agree with this decision 100%
Title: Re: AryehYehudah is banned for undermining our cause
Post by: White Israelite on November 04, 2008, 08:22:47 PM
I'm sorry but I disagree with this decision to ban a Jew from the forum. Wouldn't it have been better to prevent him from posting in the Serbia section?
Title: Re: AryehYehudah is banned for undermining our cause
Post by: Jasmina on November 04, 2008, 08:30:05 PM
  We tried that already and he said he will never post in Save Serbia section,...but yet he had more posts in Save Serbia section than in General discution! It was his decission!
Title: Re: AryehYehudah is banned for undermining our cause
Post by: Boyana on November 05, 2008, 12:41:26 AM
I wish Dalmacija and Ayreh Yehudah all the best in the future.
I feel :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(for both of you.
This forum will never be the same.

Hussar was one of the best,he is not with us any more.
What sould we do?
Hussar if you read this,just to let you know I miss you as well.
 :o :o
Title: Re: AryehYehudah is banned for undermining our cause
Post by: mord on November 05, 2008, 06:58:27 AM
Quote
Hussar was one of the best,he is not with us any more.
What sould we do?
  Yes i agree i liked Hussar
Title: Re: AryehYehudah is banned for undermining our cause
Post by: SerbChicago on November 05, 2008, 08:57:21 AM
Quote
Hussar was one of the best,he is not with us any more.
What sould we do?
  Yes i agree i liked Hussar
Me too.
Title: Re: AryehYehudah is banned for undermining our cause
Post by: Boyana on November 05, 2008, 05:24:36 PM
Maybe Dalmacija and AryehYehuda ,behaviour           was a reaction to the horror of Obamas'election.
Sholmo had to stop,but I can say in the last few days before the horror(Obama),I was not the nice person my self.
Regards to Sholmo and Dalmacija and AryehYehuda.
Special regard for our Moderator Jasmina,so calm and  kind.

 
Title: Re: AryehYehudah is banned for undermining our cause
Post by: Jasmina on November 05, 2008, 05:48:41 PM
Me calm? I wasn't calm at all! But now I'm better! We lost a very precious member to our Serbian Section!
Title: Re: AryehYehudah is banned for undermining our cause
Post by: Boyana on November 05, 2008, 05:51:54 PM
Love to Jasmina and please darling,I hope to hear on this Forum soon that some baby will join us soon.
Title: Re: AryehYehudah is banned for undermining our cause
Post by: Ambiorix on November 05, 2008, 06:08:45 PM
I both like Aryeh and Dalmacija. Sad to see this fighting between two valuable members.
Title: Re: AryehYehudah is banned for undermining our cause
Post by: Jasmina on November 05, 2008, 10:50:43 PM
With all respect to you, I think Chaim has right on this issue! You are Jewish and you didn't feel the bitterness in his words towards Serbs! This guy stocked his nose where he didn't have the right to! why? because he doesn't have any idea who the Serbs are,what is their history about and yet he provoked every single Serb on this site by constantly acussing us ! when I've tried to speak with him about it he said: this is a Jewish site and I'm Jew! Do you want to ban a Jew who suffered under Russians? He attacked me this like he thought that he has the right to do and say whatever he wants just because he is a Jew and I have to shut my mouth because he just was about to bring a lot of his Jew friends and relatives to this site, but if I don't behave , he would not invite a bunch of ppl!
  this smelled like blackmale and not a nice conversation!
Title: Re: AryehYehudah is banned for undermining our cause
Post by: Ambiorix on November 06, 2008, 04:22:56 AM
With all respect to you, I think Chaim has right on this issue! You are Jewish and you didn't feel the bitterness in his words towards Serbs! This guy stocked his nose where he didn't have the right to! why? because he doesn't have any idea who the Serbs are,what is their history about and yet he provoked every single Serb on this site by constantly acussing us ! when I've tried to speak with him about it he said: this is a Jewish site and I'm Jew! Do you want to ban a Jew who suffered under Russians? He attacked me this like he thought that he has the right to do and say whatever he wants just because he is a Jew and I have to shut my mouth because he just was about to bring a lot of his Jew friends and relatives to this site, but if I don't behave , he would not invite a bunch of ppl!
  this smelled like blackmale and not a nice conversation!
I think Aryeh was a nice guy, but a hard-liner.
Moderating a forum where some people break forum rules is not an easy task.
I remember I was just the same for my first 2000 posts....
I however avoided to attack or insult other members.
And after that, I even gradually became more tolerant, and less hateful towards my ennemies; such as nazi-muslimes, and nazi-schwartzas.

I had private messages with both of them, will keep contact with Dalmacija via email, and I will especially miss Aryeh, since I don't have his email, and we had interesting political pm's.
Because he was a hard-liner, I respect him, and I am quite sure he was nothing but a true patriottic Jew.
So in the long run, I don't think it would be fair to let him back in, if he calms down a little bit on hatred towards Serbs.

I feel sorry, that I didn't spend more time on the forum to bring the two gentlemen together, and must say I am amazed by the efforts done by 4International to educate Aryeh on the Serbian issue.

Aside these personal matters
, I think we should openly discuss the history of and relation between Judaism - Orthodoxy - Catholicism, Israel - post USSR - West Europe - USA  in the different contexts we all have.

It seems to me, that the Orthodox members have not yet forgotten their communist oppressors yet, and the popular speak amongst many Russian - therefore not Serbs! - is indeed that "the Jews" were behind the Soviet rule from Lenin, until the moment  Stalin executed most of them.

Exactly this, is what I have not enough information about: Is the current Orthodox Patriarch of Moskow encouraging Jew-hatred, or tolerating it?
Are lots of Russians atheists? - that are wanting communism reinstated? - and all the Jews removed from power in Russia?
What does the average Russian think about the so-called "Oligarchs"? Etc,...

Title: Re: AryehYehudah is banned for undermining our cause
Post by: Boyana on November 06, 2008, 04:28:01 AM
By the way,did I like that nice jewish lady,who shot Lenin.Was her name Fani ?
If Jewish women shot Lenin,why blame Jewish people for the red batstards??
Title: Re: AryehYehudah is banned for undermining our cause
Post by: Ambiorix on November 06, 2008, 05:46:24 AM
By the way,did I like that nice jewish lady,who shot Lenin.Was her name Fani ?
If Jewish women shot Lenin,why blame Jewish people for the red batstards??


I never heard this story that Lenin was shot before.
Title: Re: AryehYehudah is banned for undermining our cause
Post by: Boyana on November 06, 2008, 06:36:11 AM
on august 30 -1918 by Fany Kaplan.
It is belived that Lenins helath went bad from the shots,then he had strokes.
There is movie made,you can find  it on google.

Title: Re: AryehYehudah is banned for undermining our cause
Post by: Ambiorix on November 06, 2008, 07:13:52 AM
on august 30 -1918 by Fany Kaplan.
It is belived that Lenins helath went bad from the shots,then he had strokes.
There is movie made,you can find  it on google.



Thanks for the info!
Title: Re: AryehYehudah is banned for undermining our cause
Post by: 4International on November 06, 2008, 10:41:50 AM
Comment by Ambiorix:I feel sorry, that I didn't spend more time on the forum to bring the two gentlemen together, and must say I am amazed by the efforts done by 4International to educate Aryeh on the Serbian issue.

Shalom brother Ambiorix,

A very big THANK YOU for your wonderful compliments!

 ^-^ ;)

Shalom,

Joshua.
Title: Re: AryehYehudah is banned for undermining our cause
Post by: P J C on November 06, 2008, 05:48:07 PM
His intentions were against JTF. But it would be crazy to un ban Dalmajica. I hope Dalmajica STAYS banned.
Title: Re: AryehYehudah is banned for undermining our cause
Post by: Jasmina on November 06, 2008, 06:05:01 PM
I hope Dalmacija will be unbanned because he demonstrated his great loyalty to the Jtf and had a very big contribution to this site!
Title: Re: AryehYehudah is banned for undermining our cause
Post by: Scriabin on November 06, 2008, 06:44:31 PM
Is AryehYehudah one of the three Jews from Brooklyn?
Title: Re: AryehYehudah is banned for undermining our cause
Post by: P J C on November 06, 2008, 06:56:19 PM
Is AryehYehudah one of the three Jews from Brooklyn?
No, he was a new member.
Title: Re: AryehYehudah is banned for undermining our cause
Post by: Boyana on November 06, 2008, 09:38:47 PM
Is Islam is Cancer,that great Armenian brother still here?
Title: Re: AryehYehudah is banned for undermining our cause
Post by: Jasmina on November 06, 2008, 10:42:37 PM
  I didn't see him! I wonder why??
Title: Re: AryehYehudah is banned for undermining our cause
Post by: Americanhero1 on November 06, 2008, 10:43:01 PM
Is Islam is Cancer,that great Armenian brother still here?

He is gone as well
He left the forum
Title: Re: AryehYehudah is banned for undermining our cause
Post by: Boyana on November 07, 2008, 01:30:44 AM
Is Islam is Cancer,that great Armenian brother still here?

He is gone as well
He left the forum
Do you know why??
Title: Re: AryehYehudah is banned for undermining our cause
Post by: Ambiorix on November 07, 2008, 04:27:09 AM
Is Islam is Cancer,that great Armenian brother still here?

He is gone as well
He left the forum
Do you know why??
He couldn't support JTF any longer since JTF supports Shakkasvilli, president of Georgia.
Title: Re: AryehYehudah is banned for undermining our cause
Post by: Cato on November 09, 2008, 06:06:36 AM
Is Islam is Cancer,that great Armenian brother still here?
He is gone as well
He left the forum

Who cares?

Anyone who rejoiced at his video of a Turkish mother being crushed by a lorry in front of her child, or that of a distraught Turkish mother screaming at the news of her son having been shot dead by terrorists.
Title: Re: AryehYehudah is banned for undermining our cause
Post by: americankahanist on November 09, 2008, 11:27:20 AM
Kahanist Jews should not be removed for any reason.  A forum is for differing opinions.  If not, go back to the TV shows where the JTF opinion was stated.
Title: Re: AryehYehudah is banned for undermining our cause
Post by: Jasmina on November 09, 2008, 11:09:34 PM
....and I am against banning any Serb Nationalist who is fighting hard for his country!
Title: Re: AryehYehudah is banned for undermining our cause
Post by: Kerber on November 13, 2008, 03:29:44 PM
Well,my opinion is that neither of them should have been banned,but instead mark and note on incorrect or false statements and talk about it in order to clear the facts.It can make two different views bring little closer and make it at least understand the opposing one.If a reasonable man understand some thing that opposes that it isn't "evil"(view) in its nature,than there are no reason to continue with "hard attacks".
Title: Re: AryehYehudah is banned for undermining our cause
Post by: Scriabin on November 14, 2008, 11:58:54 AM
Kahanist Jews should not be removed for any reason.  A forum is for differing opinions.  If not, go back to the TV shows where the JTF opinion was stated.

Absolutely.

American Kahanist, you're a very wise person.  Perhaps you should make some JTF programs!
Title: Re: AryehYehudah is banned for undermining our cause
Post by: P J C on November 20, 2008, 03:08:41 PM
It is a shame Areyeh got banned. He was ignorant on the Sebs but we could have healthily debated him and changed his mind.
Title: Re: AryehYehudah is banned for undermining our cause
Post by: q_q_ on November 20, 2008, 03:52:27 PM
It is a shame Areyeh got banned. He was ignorant on the Sebs but we could have healthily debated him and changed his mind.

like a psychiatrist trying to deal with a charity case?

he was very emotional and difficult.    And during the process he would continue to incite serbs.  One only needed to look at the jist of the many "debates" he had.
Title: Re: AryehYehudah is banned for undermining our cause
Post by: SrbijaKnight on November 20, 2008, 06:07:06 PM
  I am happy this foolish man was banned from this site.   I was reading the posts between Aryeh and Dalmacija and Aryeh clearly show how ignorant he is about histery of Serbs and Russia.  I am happy finally I find a place where Jews can realise the bad things some of them have done throughout histery.   Dalmacija was disciplining him about wrongdoings Jewish did to Russians and Serbian people and all he do is deny it.   Many Jewish will not accept today Dalmacija words but they are sad truth. 
  I know there is many good Jewish like on this place but some of worst people on earth were also Jewish as I see Dalmacija and 4International have explained.  Many don't realise that Lenin, Trotsky, Marx were all Jewish.  The Russian Revolution was masterminded by Jews and many innocent people were killed.  Much of our culture was hurted from this event of histery.    Even Hitler himself was part Jewish.  They always say Hitler murder Jews, what about all good Christians he kill? 
  1.2 million Serbs were slaugtered cause of Hitler.  Why should Jewish complain of only their slaughter.  Hitler murdered many many more gentile, non-Jewish people.   Serbians lost many people because of Croat nazis.  Also, the honorable Tsar Nicholas II who give prosperity to Russia was murder by Jewish men.  Why will Jewish try to hide what they did to a bless Christian king?  He is like our own king.  I never allow Serbians to murder in cold blood a king of Jewish people, his wife and kids and say it never happen.  Aryeh make fun joke about how they die, I know he is one of people who involve himself to do these things.  Ignorant people like Aryeh are why many Serbs must die and lose Kosovo to very wicked Albanians.
   Today, nobody talks of this.  Everyone say it never occur.  Nobody remember Serbs and Russians who were murder, people only talk of Jews or Muslim suffering.  Now America, EU want to see true Christians of Serbia to be dead.   I am happy there is Jewish who recognise these wrongdoings.  Keep bad Jewish from saying wrong things of Serbs and Russian people as this is bad for Jewish people in entirety.
Title: Re: AryehYehudah is banned for undermining our cause
Post by: q_q_ on November 20, 2008, 07:17:33 PM
  I am happy this foolish man was banned from this site.   I was reading the posts between Aryeh and Dalmacija and Aryeh clearly show how ignorant he is about histery of Serbs and Russia.  I am happy finally I find a place where Jews can realise the bad things some of them have done throughout histery.   Dalmacija was disciplining him about wrongdoings Jewish did to Russians and Serbian people and all he do is deny it.   Many Jewish will not accept today Dalmacija words but they are sad truth. 
  I know there is many good Jewish like on this place but some of worst people on earth were also Jewish as I see Dalmacija and 4International have explained.  Many don't realise that Lenin, Trotsky, Marx were all Jewish.  The Russian Revolution was masterminded by Jews and many innocent people were killed.  Much of our culture was hurted from this event of histery.    Even Hitler himself was part Jewish.  They always say Hitler murder Jews, what about all good Christians he kill? 
  1.2 million Serbs were slaugtered cause of Hitler.  Why should Jewish complain of only their slaughter.  Hitler murdered many many more gentile, non-Jewish people.   Serbians lost many people because of Croat nazis.  Also, the honorable Tsar Nicholas II who give prosperity to Russia was murder by Jewish men.  Why will Jewish try to hide what they did to a bless Christian king?  He is like our own king.  I never allow Serbians to murder in cold blood a king of Jewish people, his wife and kids and say it never happen.  Aryeh make fun joke about how they die, I know he is one of people who involve himself to do these things.  Ignorant people like Aryeh are why many Serbs must die and lose Kosovo to very wicked Albanians.
   Today, nobody talks of this.  Everyone say it never occur.  Nobody remember Serbs and Russians who were murder, people only talk of Jews or Muslim suffering.  Now America, EU want to see true Christians of Serbia to be dead.   I am happy there is Jewish who recognise these wrongdoings.  Keep bad Jewish from saying wrong things of Serbs and Russian people as this is bad for Jewish people in entirety.

You sound like a Serbian form of AryehYehuda, just from the other side. And you have less of a case on your side.

Ranting about what jews have done to russians..

If you want to say that Hitler was ethnically part jewish, (I have heard there is a question with one ancestor, a grandparent or great grandparent), then he is 3/4 or 7/8 German.

The jews you refer to, e.g. Marx. Marx wrote a book "A world without jews". He was a self hating jew.  These people wanted to wipe out judaism.

Russians have a reputation for being anti-semitic.

In Poland, you see anti-semitic graffiti in many places.  Yet there are no longer any jews in the country, except in the graveyards.

I personally am not that interested in the history there.. Innocent jews were killed en masse.  I know that russians were/are very anti-semitic. And poles.  We seem to have some philo-semitic serbs here, and serbs seem to have an unusual history that might make many or even most a bit different. That's good..
Title: Re: AryehYehudah is banned for undermining our cause
Post by: Ulli on November 20, 2008, 07:23:57 PM
Alexander von Roda Roda an Austrian writer in the time of the K and K kingdom said once: The anti-semitism could become something, if the Jews would attend to it.

Imo he was right. The lunatic Marx proves it.
Title: Re: AryehYehudah is banned for undermining our cause
Post by: q_q_ on November 20, 2008, 07:40:07 PM
Alexander von Roda Roda an Austrian writer in the time of the K and K kingdom said once: The anti-semitism could become something, if the Jews would attend to it.

Imo he was right. The lunatic Marx proves it.

rabbi telushkin, maybe in his book "jewish literacy", said jews have been hated for being communist and capitalist.  and he gave other examples.

infact, even hated for being rich and for being poor.

polish jews were poor relative to Germans. I guess german propaganda included them. prob depicted as poor.   
german jews were often richer than other Germans..  So propaganda was against thme for that.

You can say jews shouldn't have been behind one movement, but you had jews behind the other movement that wanted the opposite.

Just as today, religious jews are as pro bush, even perhaps more pro bush, than secular jews are pro democrat.  (religious jews of course have less to do with running the country).

And of course if jews don't take a part in running the country, they'd be killed too. And completely at the mercy of gentiles. It's really a no win situation.

Being thrown out is inevitable almost everywhere in exile. The only option is to move from one place to another.

Title: Re: AryehYehudah is banned for undermining our cause
Post by: Ulli on November 20, 2008, 07:44:24 PM
q_q don't misunderstand me. I don't blaime "the Jews" for this or that.

My point was to prove, that not only gentiles are Jew-haters. Jews are able to hate their nation as well.
Title: Re: AryehYehudah is banned for undermining our cause
Post by: Jasmina on November 20, 2008, 07:48:14 PM
q_q don't misunderstand me. I don't blaime "the Jews" for this or that.

My point was to prove, that not only gentiles are Jew-haters. Jews are able to hate their nation as well.

  I read an article today how Israel is selling guns to their enemies! The article was in Romanian language so I don't have the right translation! If that is true, then I have nothing else to say!
Title: Re: AryehYehudah is banned for undermining our cause
Post by: Jasmina on November 20, 2008, 07:56:58 PM
  I found the article: Defense Min. turns blind eye as Israelis sell arms to enemies

Israeli arms dealers have negotiated and sold military equipment to a number of countries defined by Israeli law as enemy states in recent years with the full acknowledgment and approval of the Defense Ministry, Haaretz has learned.

The ministry has okayed negotiations and sales between Israeli dealers and several Arab states including Iraq, Libya and Yemen, say the sources.

Attorney General Menachem Mazuz recently approved the Tel Aviv District State Prosecutor's Office decision to close an investigation against dual Israel-U.S. citizen Shlomi Michaels, whose company, the Kurdistan Development Organization (KODO), was suspected of illegal arms deals with Iraq.
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A police spokesman confirmed they had opened an investigation into Michaels dealings in 2006. Michael's company Kodo used to be partly owned by former MK Dani Yatom, who is also a former head of the Mossad secret service. The police spokesman stressed that at no point in the investigation was Yatom questioned or considered a suspect. Yatom said that he severed his ties to the company in 2002, when he was elected to the Knesset, and before the company began its dealings in Iraq. Michaels, a former member of the elite Yamam police unit, emigrated to the U.S., where he started Kodo, which is registered as a company in Switzerland.

The investigation began on the basis of information that equipment manufactured by Israeli companies like Magal Motorola and Tadiran were being used in the construction of an airport in the city of Arbil, in Kurdish-controlled northern Iraq, and that Kodo's security advisers were training local Kurdish militias. Laura Rozen wrote this week in Mother Jones, a U.S. weekly, that Kodo was vying for a 20 percent stake of a $300 million budget. Its activity in the Kurdish territory ended after it received information that Iranian agents might try to harm Israelis.

Police began investigating the company after it discovered it did not receive approval from the Defense Ministry to operate in Iraq, which is still technically in a state of war with Israel. The ministry's former director general, Amos Yaron, told police he had approved the company's dealings.

Haaretz recently learned that the Defense Ministry allowed Israeli dealers to sell flak jackets to Libya and weapons to Yemen. In the past, the ministry allowed the Israel Aerospace Industries to enter negotiations with Yemen over its Mig-fighter planes but the deal fell through.

According to a 1939 law drafted under the British Mandate as a way to supervise trade with Nazi Germany, the Finance Ministry is charged with defining countries as enemy states. However, any government ministry may de facto approve trade deals with enemy states based on its own definition of the term.

"International law or Israeli law is not clear over the definition of an enemy state," Ehud Keinan, the deputy legal adviser to the Foreign Ministry, admitted in 1999. Iraq's classification as an enemy state was removed after the U.S. invasion of the country in 2003. Since then Israeli companies have supplied the U.S. army in Iraq with drones and ammunition.

The Defense Ministry spokesman responded that "the Defense Ministry obeys the law but does not comment on defense industry trade."

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1038978.html
Title: Re: AryehYehudah is banned for undermining our cause
Post by: q_q_ on November 20, 2008, 08:11:50 PM

it's an interesting point that the jews  that  have been mentioned by the "serbknight" poster, as being against russians, were against jews too. 

so jews were very much victims of these individuals .

I doubt that is the case with russians that butchered jews. the populations themselves are anti-semitic. Especially poles, they are renowned for it!
Title: Re: AryehYehudah is banned for undermining our cause
Post by: Ulli on November 20, 2008, 08:16:15 PM
This Jews wanted to be free of every religion. They thought, that if they destroy the believe in god they will be totally equal with the gentiles. And they were everytime in the position to prove themselve extra wicked, so that they can convince the bolschewist gentiles that they are loyal.

Basically I agree with you q_q
Title: Re: AryehYehudah is banned for undermining our cause
Post by: Chaim Ben Pesach on November 20, 2008, 08:48:57 PM
"Serb Knight" writes like a real Nazi.

He blames the Jews for the holocaust in which over 6 million Jewish men, women and children were brutally murdered?!

And I am tired of seeing this garbage about the Jews doing something wrong to the Russians.

The Russians were a nation of ignorant, backward alcoholics until the Jews came to Russia in the 17th century. It was the Jews who made Russia a powerful and important nation. Jewish brains invented and developed Russian industry, technology and science. Without Jewish brains, Russia would have been a joke.

To this day, Russia's life expectancy is only 57 years for males because of massive alcoholism and drug addiction. Most Russian males have a drinking problem. Even Russia's leaders, like Boris Yeltsin, have been notorious alcoholics.

For centuries, the jealous and viciously hateful Russians murdered, tortured, raped and persecuted their Jewish minority:

*Hundreds of thousands of Jews were murdered in pogroms.

*Jews were forced to live in the "Pale of Settlement", which is the worst land.

*Jews drafted into the Nazi Tsar's army were forced to serve for 30 years, while non-Jews only had to serve for 3 years. Being drafted into the Nazi Tsar's army was a life sentence for all Jewish males. Jews used to mutilate themselves by cutting their fingers off to avoid this horrific life sentence.

*Jews were accused by the Nazi Tsar of being "Christ-killers". Jews were murdered and tortured for the death of Jesus - something which happened almost 2000 years before they were born! Russian soldiers, police and civilians would attend Easter services in church and hear sermons about how the Jews killed Jesus. The Russians would then start screaming, "They killed our savior!", and go to Jewish villages where they murdered, raped and tortured Jewish men, women and children.

*Jews were accused by the Nazi Tsar of kidnapping Christian children and murdering the children to use their blood in order to make matzah (unleavened bread) for the Passover holiday.

*Jews were accused by the Nazi Tsar of seeking to take over the whole world in the notorious forgery, "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion", which was written by the Tsar's secret police. This forgery was later used by Hitler and the Nazis as an excuse for murdering 6 million Jews during the holocaust.

To claim that the Jews were responsible for the Russian Bolshevik revolution is absurd.

The Russian people were responsible for the Bolshevik revolution. The vast majority of the Russian people enthusiastically and fanatically supported the Kremlin Communist dictators until the Soviet economy collapsed in the 1980s.

I am not going to tolerate Nazi anti-Semitism on this site.


Title: Re: AryehYehudah is banned for undermining our cause
Post by: P J C on November 20, 2008, 09:28:37 PM

Russia is an enemy of the Jews
Title: Re: AryehYehudah is banned for undermining our cause
Post by: q_q_ on November 20, 2008, 09:34:07 PM
Russia is an enemy of the Jews

Chaim's post was brilliant..

Since your post was directly after, it was obvious that if you were replying to a post it would be that one.  It's better not to quote it all for that, otherwise the thread will move onto more pages than necessary. And when posts move onto the next page it will mean chaim's post will be on the previous page.


Title: Re: AryehYehudah is banned for undermining our cause
Post by: P J C on November 20, 2008, 09:37:08 PM
You happy now!? ::)
Title: Re: AryehYehudah is banned for undermining our cause
Post by: SerbChicago on November 21, 2008, 11:02:25 AM
  I am happy this foolish man was banned from this site.   I was reading the posts between Aryeh and Dalmacija and Aryeh clearly show how ignorant he is about histery of Serbs and Russia.  I am happy finally I find a place where Jews can realise the bad things some of them have done throughout histery.   Dalmacija was disciplining him about wrongdoings Jewish did to Russians and Serbian people and all he do is deny it.   Many Jewish will not accept today Dalmacija words but they are sad truth. 
  I know there is many good Jewish like on this place but some of worst people on earth were also Jewish as I see Dalmacija and 4International have explained.  Many don't realise that Lenin, Trotsky, Marx were all Jewish.  The Russian Revolution was masterminded by Jews and many innocent people were killed.  Much of our culture was hurted from this event of histery.    Even Hitler himself was part Jewish.  They always say Hitler murder Jews, what about all good Christians he kill? 
  1.2 million Serbs were slaugtered cause of Hitler.  Why should Jewish complain of only their slaughter.  Hitler murdered many many more gentile, non-Jewish people.   Serbians lost many people because of Croat nazis.  Also, the honorable Tsar Nicholas II who give prosperity to Russia was murder by Jewish men.  Why will Jewish try to hide what they did to a bless Christian king?  He is like our own king.  I never allow Serbians to murder in cold blood a king of Jewish people, his wife and kids and say it never happen.  Aryeh make fun joke about how they die, I know he is one of people who involve himself to do these things.  Ignorant people like Aryeh are why many Serbs must die and lose Kosovo to very wicked Albanians.
   Today, nobody talks of this.  Everyone say it never occur.  Nobody remember Serbs and Russians who were murder, people only talk of Jews or Muslim suffering.  Now America, EU want to see true Christians of Serbia to be dead.   I am happy there is Jewish who recognise these wrongdoings.  Keep bad Jewish from saying wrong things of Serbs and Russian people as this is bad for Jewish people in entirety.
Don't ever back again on this site because you don't know the history or Serbian Jewish relationship.
Title: Re: AryehYehudah is banned for undermining our cause
Post by: Boyana on November 24, 2008, 01:09:22 AM
In 1945 when Red Army came to Serbia they murdered ,raped and tortured Serbian men,women and children.
But nobody mention that any more.
Title: Re: AryehYehudah is banned for undermining our cause
Post by: SerbChicago on November 24, 2008, 01:21:37 AM
In 1945 when Red Army came to Serbia they murdered ,raped and tortured Serbian men,women and children.
But nobody mention that any more.
I am not familiar with this.I think they never came to Serbia.
Title: Re: AryehYehudah is banned for undermining our cause
Post by: knindza87 on November 24, 2008, 03:05:03 AM
In 1945 when Red Army came to Serbia they murdered ,raped and tortured Serbian men,women and children.
But nobody mention that any more.
I am not familiar with this.I think they never came to Serbia.
Are you serious?  :o Red Army and Partisans liberated Belgrade and Serbia.They did oppressed non-communist population tho.
Title: Re: AryehYehudah is banned for undermining our cause
Post by: SerbChicago on November 27, 2008, 09:57:50 PM
In 1945 when Red Army came to Serbia they murdered ,raped and tortured Serbian men,women and children.
But nobody mention that any more.
I am not familiar with this.I think they never came to Serbia.
Are you serious?  :o Red Army and Partisans liberated Belgrade and Serbia.They did oppressed non-communist population tho.
Red Army didn't liberate us it's Partizans.The only time when Red Army come to Serbia was during fights with Turks.
Title: Re: AryehYehudah is banned for undermining our cause
Post by: Boyana on November 28, 2008, 06:31:45 AM
Please be kind and read more,find the informations.We owe to our Serbs,to remember.
Title: Re: AryehYehudah is banned for undermining our cause
Post by: serbian army on December 18, 2008, 09:12:45 PM
Chaim, you are one great friend...