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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks on August 02, 2007, 07:08:09 PM
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I was somewhat surprised to not find any threads about the unbelievably tragic bridge collapse in Minnesota yesterday (or could not find them). Therefore, I am starting one here. Being as this disaster just happened and so much remains to be learned (don't forget that up to twenty cars may still be at the bottom of the Mississippi River as we speak), I don't know that much. However, there is already a TON of reason to believe that this was yet another act of jihad.
Please consider:
--Minnesota has a large Islamic population.
--The collapse occurred at the heart of rush hour, when the maximum number of people possible would be traversing the bridge. Coincidence or was it timed to collapse then?
--The work being done on the bridge at the time was really quite trivial (a couple new guardrails and the like). None of the modifications altered the structural integrity of the bridge in any way. It would be absurd to argue that it crumbled due to human maintenance.
--Most importantly, the federal government immediately and loudly ruled out terrorism as a possible cause. How they could do this after one hour boggles the imagination. It is obvious to me that they are either trying to hide something or trying to discourage Minnesotans from administering a little "street justice" to their Muslim Nazi fifth column. The government ALWAYS denies or downplays terrorism as a cause of disasters, much like it denies that black hate crimes against whites were racially motivated, unless it is not publicly possible to do so, as in the case of 9/11 (which I am sure they would have attributed to gross navigational error also were it not for all the eyewitnesses):
--In 1996, the government denied any terrorists were involved in the downing of TWA Flight 800, despite a SAM (surface-to-air missile) being obvious in all videos of it.
--In 1999, the government ludicrously denied a motive of terror in the crashing of EgyptAir Flight 990, despite the fact that the co-pilot, Gameel Al-Batouti, could be heard saying "I put my fate in Allah's hands" on the black-box recorder and was referred to as a "martyr" by the Islamic media.
--In 2002, when an Egyptian Muslim Nazi murdered an El Al ticket-counter girl and a security guard at LAX, the Bush Administration and FBI immediately denied that he was a terrorist and instead claimed that he was just "despondent" and "suicidal".
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Because CAIR and the like still want to pretend that Islam is all about "peace". ::)
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I would'nt discount it the flying sheiks who lodged a complaint as well as law suit against the airlines due to their provocative behavior came from minneapolis.You also have Somalian cabbies causing discontent at the airport,having said this the FBI is investigating this angle
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:)Hi CF
I agree, that was the first thought that came to me....muslims. They interviewed a couple people on the news who witnessed the collapse who said they saw a plume of thick smoke before the collapse, that was a little odd also. We will never know the truth, the govt always rushes to say its not terrorism(except in the case of a mosque getting egged, then they have to call out the national guard), and wont want to use the dreaded M word in connection with a building or bridge falling....this is in my opinion thanks to all the "sensitivity training" the terrorists at cair have passed out to our law enforcement and govt officials.
One reason, if it was an islamic group who did this, that they may not want to jump around taking credit is because it could be a test or rehersal for something bigger....they have been promising us something bigger than 911 for years now and I am sure are trying their hardest to make it happen
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This doesn't seem like terrorism to me, it would be very abnormal for a terrorist attack to occur without someone coming forward and claiming responsibility. In 1990, this building was declared "structurally unsound" or some other meaningless thing, I'm not sure what the exact phrase is but it means that the structure may be unfit. There have been cracks in the structure in recent years, and since the early 90s the review of the bridge became a yearly affair rather then every two years. The bridge had also been slated for repair. I don't think that the light work that was being done on the surface of the bridge had anything to do with its collapse. Of course the bridge would collapse during rush hour, that's when the most weight would be on it. These bridge collapses happen frequently, just a few months ago there was a very similar collapse of an overpass in Oakland during rush hour, it just didn't make the news as much because there wasn't a river under it.
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Minnesota use to be ful of hard working White Scandenavians, now its shifting to Islam. What a joke.
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070802/ap_on_re_us/bridge_collapse
I'm also inclined to believe that the collapse was due to structural deficiencies, at least for now.
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I was watching the news today on the Russian Channel (RTVI) and I saw news from Israel. They showed Condi Rice and America giving $ to the "palestinians" and her meeting and shaking hands with the murderers. This is happening at the same time that this bridge collapsed. America (and the World) should take the signs coming from G-d.
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Minnesota use to be ful of hard working White Scandenavians, now its shifting to Islam. What a joke.
It's also full of Blacks and other 3rd world people... It's keeping up with the Jones' I guess!
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I guess I am the lone wolf. LOL. :P
Even if this was NOT terrorism, the government's fishy behavior sure is not helping things. I smell a rat, a rat that doesn't eat pork and that gnaws off the clitorises of little girls. >:(
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Nothing fishy to me. When i was watching the video of the collapse i was looking for evidence of any type of explosion. The structural damage doesn't even show any type of explosion took place. To me, it looked like a weak bridge that some moron overlooked... Perhaps it was an affirmative action engineer.
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I don't think an obvious explosion would have been necessary. It would be really easy to bury a small bomb, or several, way deep in there. It could even have been under the water.
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We will never know the truth, the govt always rushes to say its not terrorism
I agree with you. We might never find out the truth. This is scary.
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We will never know the truth, but the shiftier the feds act, the more I think that our Partners In Peace are responsible. ::)
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Just out of curiosity, if they are brave, who was the one "yes" vote here? I did not vote, so it could not have been me.
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We will never know the truth, the govt always rushes to say its not terrorism
I agree with you. We might never find out the truth. This is scary.
I mean come on..not every disaster is because of a Muslim terrorist..It's like the Muslims blaming Jews and the Mossad all of their earthquakes and tsunamis. Let's not lose our heads here and sound like them.
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People who hate Bush are blaming it on him.
Minnesota's government knew about this since at least 1990. They chose not to do more repair work or to stop using it.
Don't state governments have responsibilities to make decisions?
The arguments of liberals don't make sense. So liberals are trying to blame this on Bush and thus use it to justify that a Democrat must be elected as the next president. Even if it was Bush's fault, which as of now there's no reason to believe that the federal government deserves most of the blame, it doesn't mean that no other future Republican administration would be unable to do a better job than Bush's administration.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070803/ap_on_re_us/bridge_collapse_60
"In a 2001 report from the University of Minnesota's Department of Civil Engineering, inspectors found some girders had become distorted. Engineers also saw evidence of fatigue on trusses and said the bridge might collapse if part of the truss gave way under the eight-lane freeway.
"A bridge of that vintage you always have to be concerned about that," said Richard Sause, director of the Advanced Technology for Large Structural Systems Center at Lehigh University. "In a steel bridge of that age, sure you'd be concerned about those kind of things and be diligent about looking after it. And it seems like they were."
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It won't be long until the Global Warming enthusiasts start blaming it on Global Warming.
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I never said they DID it, but its very odd how officials INSTANTLY say its not terrorism....yet they are quick to say yes we've known this bridge has been unsafe for the past 17 years.
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I never said they DID it, but its very odd how officials INSTANTLY say its not terrorism....yet they are quick to say yes we've known this bridge has been unsafe for the past 17 years.
That's just incomepetence...Equally a bad enemy as Muslim Nazi Terrorists..
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Don'nt put anything passed the moslems when the FBI says it was not terrorism then maybe just maybe i'll beleive it.Even then i won'nt be sure
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Even during the DC sniper case the govt and media did all they could to steer away from the use of the M word...and we found out in the end it was a muslim after all.
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I remember thats true
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Danny, the difference is that the Muslims actually have the desire to do this as opposed to the Jews and the Mossad. The reason the Muzzies come out with their insane Jewish conspiracies is because those things are all things that they would love to do.
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Youre right C.F., not only do they have the desire to do it, they have been openly TELLING us they are going to do it. Just because we have had relative calm in the US since 9-11-2001 doesnt mean a thing...there was quite a few years between the WTC bombing and 911.
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You are right, Kelly, the calm has been relative. There have been numerous incidents that one could very reasonably label terrorism, such as the downing of TWA Flight 800 and EgyptAir Flight 990, that the government has very ineffectively tried to sweep under the rug. There are countless murders involving Muslims or those of Middle Eastern descent that, if looked at by an average (i.e. non-politically-correct ideologue) person, could quite possibly be called acts of terror or at least "hate crimes" (of course, the latter is exclusively used to hammer whites). Don't forget the innumerable incidents of Muslim student unions and CAIR street thugs who rough up (and sometimes much more) peaceful Jewish students and pro-Israel demonstrators while the cops look on and smile.
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Danny, the difference is that the Muslims actually have the desire to do this as opposed to the Jews and the Mossad. The reason the Muzzies come out with their insane Jewish conspiracies is because those things are all things that they would love to do.
You are absolutely right about that. When Muslims complain and blame the Jews...they are stating what they, themselves, want to do.
However, I really do believe this is all due to incompetence. The news seems to be blaming it on a lack of funds by the govt willing to pay for repairs on Gd knows how many "incompetent" bridges. I say that if there is a lack of funds, take it away from all of the illegal aliens who are getting free care and take it away from incompetent people who do not deserve govt funded healthcare...
Can you believe that the Democrats put out a vote recently to take money away from Medicare (from the elderly) so that the children of illegal aliens can have free universal medical care?! WTF!?
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You are right, Kelly, the calm has been relative. There have been numerous incidents that one could very reasonably label terrorism, such as the downing of TWA Flight 800 and EgyptAir Flight 990, that the government has very ineffectively tried to sweep under the rug. There are countless murders involving Muslims or those of Middle Eastern descent that, if looked at by an average (i.e. non-politically-correct ideologue) person, could quite possibly be called acts of terror or at least "hate crimes" (of course, the latter is exclusively used to hammer whites). Don't forget the innumerable incidents of Muslim student unions and CAIR street thugs who rough up (and sometimes much more) peaceful Jewish students and pro-Israel demonstrators while the cops look on and smile.
I notice similar things when a car runs down 100's of people and the news neglects to say that the guy happened to be a Muslim.
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Nothing that the dhimmicrats do that is anti-American shocks me anymore.
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Yeah but the republicrats are barely better. Look at George wigger Bush. That animal wants to legalize the cookarachas and wants to bring more warriors of Allah into our country.
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What's with these crazy politicians wanting MORE muslims in the USA ??? Why don't they just chop their own heads off now?
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They arent much better but we have to go with the lesser of the 2 evils for now
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I see where both Kelly and DWI are coming from, but I really see very little difference between the Dhimmicrats and RePUBICans. :P
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You know, living in NYC where many of my fellow New Yorkers may already know, we are surrounded with bridges and tunnels as well as subways. Take note of our own system, safety and the mineons loose in this city.
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The whole thing stinks from whatever way you look at it. This bridge was just a baby as far as lifespans of bridges go. If it was taken down due to terrorism we have a lot to worry about because it was a truss style bridge that would need a hell of a lot more to take down then its suspension type counterparts. For it to be taken down like that with little or no detection of the blast or whatever was done to it to take it down is very disturbing. On a the other hand if this bridge was engineered so poorly or was inspected and maintained so badly that it was allowed to collapse and kill all them folks someone should go to jail. Bridges like that don't just go down. The officials in charge of this investigation will have a tough road because as the facts come out someone will be facing tough questions and possible jail time. In this case I think that we will get to the real cause it will just take some time.
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CJD, as always your illuminating posts give much food for thought. I do in this case have a hard time believing that government engineers were THAT incompetent. I didn't even know the difference between a truss bridge and a suspension bridge, but I assume that you know what you are talking about.
The biggest red flag for me was when one hour after the collapse the government spokesholes in NTSB and the FBI and all over Capitol Hill began declaring that they were 100% sure terrorism was not involved. The lady doth protest too much... :o
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I must admit that the thought of terrorism did cross my mind a few times and is still lurking around there. I find it hard to believe that they knew this bridge was in such bad shape and yet no reduction on the load that could go over it was put into place. Some years back when the Brooklyn bridge was found to be in bad shape they placed no trucks limitation on it. They then made the necessary repairs on it however I believe that there is still a weight limit on the vehicles that are allowed to use it even today. Lets keep an open mind and see what the investigation brings. Sadly no matter what the outcome it won't be any consolation to the poor folks who were killed or injured. Here are some interesting links about bridges and bridge disasters.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truss_bridge
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suspension_bridge
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_bridge_disasters
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The sad fact of the matter:
Twenty years ago, during a presidential campaign, the known deterioration and wear to the American infrastructure was actually a campaign issue.
The people whose job it is to check bridges and dams fill out accurate reports, but then their superiors merely file them away until the next inspections are due.
In other words, it's an open secret that our American infrastructure is falling apart, but those in power at all levels in this country "don't want to hear about it".
Reconstruction demands appropriations, which demand taxes, which means the people must acquiesce in paying higher taxes, or at least redirecting monies from other projects towards making travel safe in the U.S.A.
Is the American infrastructure a "Conservative Issue"?...or is it instead simply a "Democrat Issue"?....
Like my Daddy always said, "The People...get the kind of government they deserve."