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Title: ask christian4jews if you dare...
Post by: christians4jews on December 29, 2009, 03:21:26 PM
go on...
Title: Re: ask christian4jews if you dare...
Post by: Zelhar on December 29, 2009, 04:20:33 PM
Hi

What sort of Christian are you ?

That came wrong I think. What Christian subgroup do you belong to ?
Title: Re: ask christian4jews if you dare...
Post by: Lisa on December 29, 2009, 04:21:59 PM
How did you discover JTF?
Title: Re: ask christian4jews if you dare...
Post by: IsraeliGovtAreKapos on December 29, 2009, 04:32:15 PM
                                                                        בס"ד

What is your opinion on the Missionaries around the world and especially those who work against Jewish communities around the world and Israel, or Jews generally?
Title: Re: ask christian4jews if you dare...
Post by: christians4jews on December 30, 2009, 11:48:19 AM
Hi

What sort of Christian are you ?

That came wrong I think. What Christian subgroup do you belong to ?

none, its a personal belief..if i had to say it would be the school of craig winn. But i do not like how christianity become a organised religion, when in reality yeshua was just a poor man who wore rags...
Title: Re: ask christian4jews if you dare...
Post by: christians4jews on December 30, 2009, 11:49:56 AM
How did you discover JTF?

i loved searching anto islam videos on islam, as at the time i was debating a muslim. I saw the chaim and craig winn videos. Then searched for more jtf videos and loved how chaim slated the black culture. So i joined the forum.
Title: Re: ask christian4jews if you dare...
Post by: christians4jews on December 30, 2009, 11:54:33 AM
                                                                        בס"ד

What is your opinion on the Missionaries around the world and especially those who work against Jewish communities around the world and Israel, or Jews generally?

obviously i was taught to "spread the word". but i realised that that actually put people off, by forcing my opinion on others, whether that be a atheist, a jewish person, etc. I now have a crucifix tattoed on my forearm, but i never actively tell people my religion.

So to answer your original question i think its wrong to force opinions apon people, inluding missionaries on jews. If people want to find out about yeshua they can  easily, whether it be local book shops of simply the internet..
Title: Re: ask christian4jews if you dare...
Post by: muman613 on December 30, 2009, 12:08:23 PM
                                                                        בס"ד

What is your opinion on the Missionaries around the world and especially those who work against Jewish communities around the world and Israel, or Jews generally?

obviously i was taught to "spread the word". but i realised that that actually put people off, by forcing my opinion on others, whether that be a atheist, a jewish person, etc. I now have a crucifix tattoed on my forearm, but i never actively tell people my religion.

So to answer your original question i think its wrong to force opinions apon people, inluding missionaries on jews. If people want to find out about yeshua they can  easily, whether it be local book shops of simply the internet..

You do realize that belief in the man-G-d is heresy in Judaism and we do not believe your 'yesha' was messiah, a savior, or anything aside from a bad Jew...

Hashem is incorporeal, he has no body... He is infinite, without beginning or end... Belief in 'jebus'  is diametrically opposed to the basic tenets of Judaism. Jews who know Judaism will never accept him as anything other than a heretic, and others don't even think that he existed.

Missionaries are evil because they attempt to turn a Jew away from the ONE TRUE G-D of Israel. It is a command to Jews to never pray to an intermediary, yet your 'savior' said that the only way to get 'redemption' is through Jebus... There are many proofs that Jebus was not Moshiach, he was not G-d, and he was teaching heresy to his followers.

PS: Tattooes are also forbidden in Judaism.

Title: Re: ask christian4jews if you dare...
Post by: christians4jews on December 30, 2009, 12:11:38 PM
                                                                        בס"ד

What is your opinion on the Missionaries around the world and especially those who work against Jewish communities around the world and Israel, or Jews generally?

obviously i was taught to "spread the word". but i realised that that actually put people off, by forcing my opinion on others, whether that be a atheist, a jewish person, etc. I now have a crucifix tattoed on my forearm, but i never actively tell people my religion.

So to answer your original question i think its wrong to force opinions apon people, inluding missionaries on jews. If people want to find out about yeshua they can  easily, whether it be local book shops of simply the internet..

You do realize that belief in the man-G-d is heresy in Judaism and we do not believe your 'yesha' was messiah, a savior, or anything aside from a bad Jew...



never said you did believe in jesus, i think the fact that the jewish faith doesnt have the new testament shows they do not believe in jesus as the messiah.
Title: Re: ask christian4jews if you dare...
Post by: muman613 on December 30, 2009, 12:15:19 PM
                                                                        בס"ד

What is your opinion on the Missionaries around the world and especially those who work against Jewish communities around the world and Israel, or Jews generally?

obviously i was taught to "spread the word". but i realised that that actually put people off, by forcing my opinion on others, whether that be a atheist, a jewish person, etc. I now have a crucifix tattoed on my forearm, but i never actively tell people my religion.

So to answer your original question i think its wrong to force opinions apon people, inluding missionaries on jews. If people want to find out about yeshua they can  easily, whether it be local book shops of simply the internet..

You do realize that belief in the man-G-d is heresy in Judaism and we do not believe your 'yesha' was messiah, a savior, or anything aside from a bad Jew...



never said you did believe in jesus, i think the fact that the jewish faith doesnt have the new testament shows they do not believe in jesus as the messiah.

It is also an insult to Judaism to refer to the Holy Torah as the "New Testament"... The covenant which Hashem made with the Jewish people at Sinai is forever, without end.... There is no such thing as a "New Testament", only the word of heretics...

Why did so many Jews get burned at the stake because they would not bow to the statue of the dead Jew on the cross? I am not blaming you, but dont expect religious Jews to accept your belief as righteous because according to our belief it is the ideology of Essau which the church and the gospel preach. You do know that the NT is full of antisemitism? But we at JTF try to get along so long as the non-Jews don't discuss their 'savior' or attempt to missionize.

When Moshiach comes the entire world will know it, and those who followed false messiahs will either drop their false beliefs, or be destroyed with the rest of the evil in the world.
Title: Re: ask christian4jews if you dare...
Post by: Lisa on December 30, 2009, 12:23:21 PM
Muman, no one is missionizing here.  Christians4Jews just said he's against missionizing. 


Now the fact that you and I are Jews means that we don't believe in Jesus or in any other intermediary.  That's just a given.  So I think we're all clear on the differences between the two religions. 
Title: Re: ask christian4jews if you dare...
Post by: muman613 on December 30, 2009, 12:24:50 PM
Muman, no one is missionizing here.  Christians4Jews just said he's against missionizing. 


Now the fact that you and I are Jews means that we don't believe in Jesus or in any other intermediary.  That's just a given.  So I think we're all clear on the differences between the two religions. 


Ok,

I have no problem with that... Im sorry if I am coming off heavy on this issue...

Forgive me christian4jews if I appear upset at you, it is not you who I have an issue with..

Title: Re: ask christian4jews if you dare...
Post by: Lisa on December 30, 2009, 12:55:48 PM
Also, I believe that Christians are allowed to get tatooes.  If I understand correctly, it just can't be of any pagan symbols.  At least that's what Dr. Brennan Fan told me. 
Title: Re: ask christian4jews if you dare...
Post by: ~Hanna~ on December 30, 2009, 01:12:09 PM
I don't agree Lisa...

alot don't know about that scripture in the Torah about that.

but this is why we have so many "denominations" and they disagree on sooooo many things....

Arguing is fun. :dance: :::D :::D

Also, I believe that Christians are allowed to get tattoos.  If I understand correctly, it just can't be of any pagan symbols.  At least that's what Dr. Brennan Fan told me. 
Title: Re: ask christian4jews if you dare...
Post by: looserivet on December 30, 2009, 01:32:50 PM
                                                                        בס"ד

What is your opinion on the Missionaries around the world and especially those who work against Jewish communities around the world and Israel, or Jews generally?

obviously i was taught to "spread the word". but i realised that that actually put people off, by forcing my opinion on others, whether that be a atheist, a jewish person, etc. I now have a crucifix tattoed on my forearm, but i never actively tell people my religion.

So to answer your original question i think its wrong to force opinions apon people, inluding missionaries on jews. If people want to find out about yeshua they can  easily, whether it be local book shops of simply the internet..

You do realize that belief in the man-G-d is heresy in Judaism and we do not believe your 'yesha' was messiah, a savior, or anything aside from a bad Jew...

Hashem is incorporeal, he has no body... He is infinite, without beginning or end... Belief in 'jebus'  is diametrically opposed to the basic tenets of Judaism. Jews who know Judaism will never accept him as anything other than a heretic, and others don't even think that he existed.

Missionaries are evil because they attempt to turn a Jew away from the ONE TRUE G-D of Israel. It is a command to Jews to never pray to an intermediary, yet your 'savior' said that the only way to get 'redemption' is through Jebus... There are many proofs that Jebus was not Moshiach, he was not G-d, and he was teaching heresy to his followers.

PS: Tattooes are also forbidden in Judaism.



I'm just wondering who "Jebus" is so did a quick google and found this http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=jebus (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=jebus) and was wondering what motives you had for using this word?
Title: Re: ask christian4jews if you dare...
Post by: christians4jews on December 30, 2009, 01:36:08 PM
                                                                        בס"ד

What is your opinion on the Missionaries around the world and especially those who work against Jewish communities around the world and Israel, or Jews generally?

obviously i was taught to "spread the word". but i realised that that actually put people off, by forcing my opinion on others, whether that be a atheist, a jewish person, etc. I now have a crucifix tattoed on my forearm, but i never actively tell people my religion.

So to answer your original question i think its wrong to force opinions apon people, inluding missionaries on jews. If people want to find out about yeshua they can  easily, whether it be local book shops of simply the internet..

You do realize that belief in the man-G-d is heresy in Judaism and we do not believe your 'yesha' was messiah, a savior, or anything aside from a bad Jew...



never said you did believe in jesus, i think the fact that the jewish faith doesnt have the new testament shows they do not believe in jesus as the messiah.

It is also an insult to Judaism to refer to the Holy Torah as the "New Testament"... The covenant which Hashem made with the Jewish people at Sinai is forever, without end.... There is no such thing as a "New Testament", only the word of heretics...

Why did so many Jews get burned at the stake because they would not bow to the statue of the dead Jew on the cross? I am not blaming you, but dont expect religious Jews to accept your belief as righteous because according to our belief it is the ideology of Essau which the church and the gospel preach. You do know that the NT is full of antisemitism? But we at JTF try to get along so long as the non-Jews don't discuss their 'savior' or attempt to missionize.

When Moshiach comes the entire world will know it, and those who followed false messiahs will either drop their false beliefs, or be destroyed with the rest of the evil in the world.


huh??i neve claimed the new testament was the torah, hence why i said the fact that the jews dont follow the "man god" is shown by the fact they dont follow the new testament.

As for the new testament being anti semitic, i nsee that to be honest. if people believing that a messiah coming earlier than what you believe in is antismeitisn then so be it.

The fact is that in my eyes jesus is a a jew, all his diciples were jews, the people that wrote the bible were jews..Again unless you count people believing in another messiah is antisemitism then  so be it..

I have alot of jewish blood in my family, and ive had to argue with so many atheists/muslims and even christians about their antisemitic thouhts.

So if anything i missionize in spreading the word about israel and who the land truely belongs to.
Title: Re: ask christian4jews if you dare...
Post by: muman613 on December 30, 2009, 02:18:45 PM
                                                                        בס"ד

What is your opinion on the Missionaries around the world and especially those who work against Jewish communities around the world and Israel, or Jews generally?

obviously i was taught to "spread the word". but i realised that that actually put people off, by forcing my opinion on others, whether that be a atheist, a jewish person, etc. I now have a crucifix tattoed on my forearm, but i never actively tell people my religion.

So to answer your original question i think its wrong to force opinions apon people, inluding missionaries on jews. If people want to find out about yeshua they can  easily, whether it be local book shops of simply the internet..

You do realize that belief in the man-G-d is heresy in Judaism and we do not believe your 'yesha' was messiah, a savior, or anything aside from a bad Jew...

Hashem is incorporeal, he has no body... He is infinite, without beginning or end... Belief in 'jebus'  is diametrically opposed to the basic tenets of Judaism. Jews who know Judaism will never accept him as anything other than a heretic, and others don't even think that he existed.

Missionaries are evil because they attempt to turn a Jew away from the ONE TRUE G-D of Israel. It is a command to Jews to never pray to an intermediary, yet your 'savior' said that the only way to get 'redemption' is through Jebus... There are many proofs that Jebus was not Moshiach, he was not G-d, and he was teaching heresy to his followers.

PS: Tattooes are also forbidden in Judaism.



I'm just wondering who "Jebus" is so did a quik google and found this http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=jebus (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=jebus) and was wondering what motives you had for using this word?

looserivet,

I am one who takes literally the commandment in Torah to blot out the name of a foreign g.o.d... Let me find that verse in Torah:

http://www.chabad.org/parshah/torahreading_cdo/aid/36235

Quote
Torah Reading for Re'eh
Deuteronomy 11:26-16:17

Chapter 12
1. These are the statutes and ordinances that you shall keep to perform in the land which the Lord G-d of your fathers gives you to possess all the days that you live on the earth.
2. You shall utterly destroy from all the places where the nations, that you shall possess, worshipped their gods, upon the lofty mountains and upon the hills, and under every lush tree.
3. And you shall tear down their altars, smash their monuments, burn their asherim with fire, cut down the graven images of their gods, and destroy their name from that place.
4. You shall not do so to the Lord, your G-d.

Rashis comment on this pasuk :
Quote
and destroy their name: By giving them disgraceful nicknames. What they call בֵּית גליא,“exalted temple,” [you] should call בֵּית כְּלִיָא,“dug out house,” what they call עַיִן כָּל,“the all-seeing eye,” [you] should call עַיִן קוֹץ “the thorn eye.” - [A.Z. 46a]


To a religious Jew we view the fact that christians believe that G-d could be a man as a form of idolatry, or worshiping foreign gods, called Avodah Zarah. If we use the name, which others ascribe divine power, then we transgress this mitzvah...

This is my understanding of this commandment...


http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/1019856/jewish/Text-of-Shabbat-Chol-Hamoed-Torah-Reading.htm

Quote
Exodus 34
11. Keep carefully what I am commanding you today: Lo! I will drive out from before you the Amorites and the Canaanites, the Hittites and the Perizzites, the Hivvites and the Jebusites. 12. Beware lest you form a covenant with the inhabitant(s) of the land into which you are coming, lest it become a snare in your midst. 13. But you shall demolish their altars, shatter their monuments, and cut down their sacred trees. 14. For you shall not prostrate yourself before another G-d, because the Lord, Whose Name is "Jealous One," is a jealous G-d. 15. Lest you form a covenant with the inhabitant(s) of the land, and they [the gentiles] go astray after their gods, and they offer sacrifices to their gods, and they invite you, and you eat of their slaughtering, 16. and you take of their daughters for your sons; then their daughters will go astray after their gods and lead your sons astray after their gods. 17. You shall not make molten gods for yourself.

http://www.jewishmag.com/92mag/jealousgod/jealousgod.htm
Title: Re: ask christian4jews if you dare...
Post by: looserivet on December 30, 2009, 03:07:34 PM
                                                                        בס"ד

What is your opinion on the Missionaries around the world and especially those who work against Jewish communities around the world and Israel, or Jews generally?

obviously i was taught to "spread the word". but i realised that that actually put people off, by forcing my opinion on others, whether that be a atheist, a jewish person, etc. I now have a crucifix tattoed on my forearm, but i never actively tell people my religion.

So to answer your original question i think its wrong to force opinions apon people, inluding missionaries on jews. If people want to find out about yeshua they can  easily, whether it be local book shops of simply the internet..

You do realize that belief in the man-G-d is heresy in Judaism and we do not believe your 'yesha' was messiah, a savior, or anything aside from a bad Jew...

Hashem is incorporeal, he has no body... He is infinite, without beginning or end... Belief in 'jebus'  is diametrically opposed to the basic tenets of Judaism. Jews who know Judaism will never accept him as anything other than a heretic, and others don't even think that he existed.

Missionaries are evil because they attempt to turn a Jew away from the ONE TRUE G-D of Israel. It is a command to Jews to never pray to an intermediary, yet your 'savior' said that the only way to get 'redemption' is through Jebus... There are many proofs that Jebus was not Moshiach, he was not G-d, and he was teaching heresy to his followers.

PS: Tattooes are also forbidden in Judaism.



I'm just wondering who "Jebus" is so did a quick google and found this http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=jebus (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=jebus) and was wondering what motives you had for using this word?

looserivet,

I am one who takes literally the commandment in Torah to blot out the name of a foreign g.o.d... Let me find that verse in Torah:

http://www.chabad.org/parshah/torahreading_cdo/aid/36235

Ok but to some Christians that is very insulting, Jesus is not a God, he is our מָשִׁיחַ. Anyhow I can see why you might not want to call him Jesus but to call him from a character from "The Simpson's" is quite demeaning. Could you not have called him "son of Mary, son of Joseph and Mary, the famous son of Nazareth" etc etc.
Title: Re: ask christian4jews if you dare...
Post by: Moshe92 on December 30, 2009, 03:11:16 PM
looserivet, I doubt Muman knew that he was using a term from the Simpsons. Lets just drop this conversation.
Title: Re: ask christian4jews if you dare...
Post by: Rubystars on December 30, 2009, 04:50:53 PM
Christian4Jews, do you ever get tired of how some Jews try to make people who want to be their friends into enemies, and then act upset because there are so many anti-Semites in the world?
Title: Re: ask christian4jews if you dare...
Post by: ~Hanna~ on December 30, 2009, 05:03:38 PM

 :clap:

Christian4Jews, do you ever get tired of how some Jews try to make people who want to be their friends into enemies, and then act upset because there are so many anti-Semites in the world?
Title: Re: ask christian4jews if you dare...
Post by: muman613 on December 30, 2009, 05:22:47 PM
looserivet, I doubt Muman knew that he was using a term from the Simpsons. Lets just drop this conversation.

This is true... I don't watch the simpsons... But I know the characters, but I never heard of a Jebus... That is not my intention... i just attempted to use a name which is not the accepted name... Im sorry if it seems offensive, so I do try to avoid getting in these kinds of discussions.

Once again I apologize and I don't harbor any bad feelings about you, but as this is a forum which tries to attract Jews and foster Jewish religious zionism, I think that discussion of other theologies should take place elsewhere, lest a Jew be lured off the path of Jewish belief, and the Jewish heritage. This is my only goal.

What others believe is their own choice, and Judaism is not a proselytizing belief. I hope that you do not believe that we don't appreciate the zionist beliefs of non-Jews, you should know that we do and are grateful.... But I am, as most here, are ardently fighting against assimilation in America which is ravaging the Jewish communities.

Let me leave this conversation to others...
Title: Re: ask christian4jews if you dare...
Post by: christians4jews on December 30, 2009, 05:51:56 PM
Christian4Jews, do you ever get tired of how some Jews try to make people who want to be their friends into enemies, and then act upset because there are so many anti-Semites in the world?

i am actually. Luckily chaim, who is the one that really matters is very respectful towards christians. Often praises the christian serbs. praises craig winn, huckabee, srah palin etc. So it is chaim that keeps me on this forum, not the likes of ron and muman, who slate non jewish beliefs. Then if you even debate how its offensive call you a "missionizer".

I thin the likes of ron and muman need to realise that some of the biggest contributers are christians.

IMO its called the jewish task force because, chaim hopefully one day will be prime minister. but im sure there is one interview where he says most of his movement were christians and not jews.

This forum use to be about joining togather, whether it you are indian, jewish or christian against the evils of islam and black culture etc. Now there seems to be a real us and them divide with the gentiles and the jewish members. Which is a shame.

Title: Re: ask christian4jews if you dare...
Post by: looserivet on December 30, 2009, 06:06:43 PM
I'm here for one reason only, to help educate myself and others as to the clear and present danger that faces all of us here. I am surprised though that even here people don't seem to have woken up to the horror that we face. I genuinely believe that if America ceases to support Israel or any western nation with Nukes falls to Islam then it will be game over for Israel. and then you will see the second Jewish holocaust in Europe.
Title: Re: ask christian4jews if you dare...
Post by: christians4jews on December 30, 2009, 06:13:30 PM
I'm here for one reason only, to help educate myself and others as to the clear and present danger that faces all of us here. I am surprised though that even here people don't seem to have woken up to the horror that we face. I genuinely believe that if America ceases to support Israel or any western nation with Nukes falls to Islam then it will be game over for Israel. and then you will see the second Jewish holocaust in Europe.

exactly, chaim missionizes on the truth about third world culture  infecting western countries like america, uk and israel. This is what needs to be spread. Chaims message.

That video that chaim did on "i not a [censored]" was so funny...
Title: Re: ask christian4jews if you dare...
Post by: looserivet on December 30, 2009, 06:53:55 PM
I'm here for one reason only, to help educate myself and others as to the clear and present danger that faces all of us here. I am surprised though that even here people don't seem to have woken up to the horror that we face. I genuinely believe that if America ceases to support Israel or any western nation with Nukes falls to Islam then it will be game over for Israel. and then you will see the second Jewish holocaust in Europe.

exactly, chaim missionizes on the truth about third world culture  infecting western countries like america, uk and israel. This is what needs to be spread. Chaims message.

That video that chaim did on "i not a schvartza" was so funny...

Have you a link?
Title: Re: ask christian4jews if you dare...
Post by: Moshe92 on December 30, 2009, 09:11:33 PM
I'm here for one reason only, to help educate myself and others as to the clear and present danger that faces all of us here. I am surprised though that even here people don't seem to have woken up to the horror that we face. I genuinely believe that if America ceases to support Israel or any western nation with Nukes falls to Islam then it will be game over for Israel. and then you will see the second Jewish holocaust in Europe.

exactly, chaim missionizes on the truth about third world culture  infecting western countries like america, uk and israel. This is what needs to be spread. Chaims message.

That video that chaim did on "i not a schvartza" was so funny...

Have you a link?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fiQpGEfmj8I (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fiQpGEfmj8I)
Title: Re: ask christian4jews if you dare...
Post by: Zelhar on December 31, 2009, 08:26:12 AM
Christian4Jews, do you ever get tired of how some Jews try to make people who want to be their friends into enemies, and then act upset because there are so many anti-Semites in the world?
Look Rubystars, if you are talking about Ron he is not even here to answer your accusations. I think that those "some Jews" you are talking about don't make you your enemy, they just don't want your friendship or support. It's not nice nor polite and I don't like this behavior either. I can tell you though, that this approach is better than (and possibly a reaction to) the "Koochy koochy koo Mr Jesse Jackson, please don't hate us".
Title: Re: ask christian4jews if you dare...
Post by: arksis on December 31, 2009, 08:44:20 AM
Christian4Jews, do you ever get tired of how some Jews try to make people who want to be their friends into enemies, and then act upset because there are so many anti-Semites in the world?
Look Rubystars, if you are talking about Ron he is not even here to answer your accusations. I think that those "some Jews" you are talking about don't make you your enemy, they just don't want your friendship or support. It's not nice nor polite and I don't like this behavior either. I can tell you though, that this approach is better than (and possibly a reaction to) the "Koochy koochy koo Mr Jesse Jackson, please don't hate us".

Zelhar, I don't believe Rubystars is talking about Ron. She is just talking about "some Jews" in general and I have to agree with her! I don't understand WHY some are so defensive and automatically ASSUME that Christians are here to prosteletize and converty Jews to Christianity! WE are ALL here for the SAME REASON! If no one "gets" that by now, then they shouldn't be here, plain and simple. I don't know about you, but I want everyone here's friendship and support and I sure hope they want mine too, because in these times, we truly NEED each other. :fist:
Title: Re: ask christian4jews if you dare...
Post by: christians4jews on December 31, 2009, 09:05:36 AM
no one going to ask me questions :(
Title: Re: ask christian4jews if you dare...
Post by: Zelhar on December 31, 2009, 09:12:49 AM
Christian4Jews, do you ever get tired of how some Jews try to make people who want to be their friends into enemies, and then act upset because there are so many anti-Semites in the world?
Look Rubystars, if you are talking about Ron he is not even here to answer your accusations. I think that those "some Jews" you are talking about don't make you your enemy, they just don't want your friendship or support. It's not nice nor polite and I don't like this behavior either. I can tell you though, that this approach is better than (and possibly a reaction to) the "Koochy koochy koo Mr Jesse Jackson, please don't hate us".

Zelhar, I don't believe Rubystars is talking about Ron. She is just talking about "some Jews" in general and I have to agree with her! I don't understand WHY some are so defensive and automatically ASSUME that Christians are here to prosteletize and converty Jews to Christianity! WE are ALL here for the SAME REASON! If no one "gets" that by now, then they shouldn't be here, plain and simple. I don't know about you, but I want everyone here's friendship and support and I sure hope they want mine too, because in these times, we truly NEED each other. :fist:
Arksis I share your goals of forming a united front to defend all of our respective countries against Islam. But this is an open forum and anyone can register to here. The core members here, as well as the admins and mods are all in favor of cooperation between gentiles and Jews. I don't really understand what's the point of complaining about "some Jews" in general. You can find in any large group "some subgroup" who are "so and so".
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Post by: cjd on December 31, 2009, 09:14:48 AM
no one going to ask me questions :(
I am scared to ask anything and bring on the wrath of Jebus  :::D Now I have to get a Jebus idol for my collection and I don't know where to find one :'(
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Post by: Zelhar on December 31, 2009, 09:25:59 AM
no one going to ask me questions :(
I must apologize for diverging this thread.

You said you have Jewish ancestors, can you be a little more explicit ?
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Post by: arksis on December 31, 2009, 12:10:34 PM
no one going to ask me questions :(
I am scared to ask anything and bring on the wrath of Jebus  :::D Now I have to get a Jebus idol for my collection and I don't know where to find one :'(

 :::D :::D :::D :::D :::D
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Post by: arksis on December 31, 2009, 12:13:48 PM
Christian4Jews, do you ever get tired of how some Jews try to make people who want to be their friends into enemies, and then act upset because there are so many anti-Semites in the world?
Look Rubystars, if you are talking about Ron he is not even here to answer your accusations. I think that those "some Jews" you are talking about don't make you your enemy, they just don't want your friendship or support. It's not nice nor polite and I don't like this behavior either. I can tell you though, that this approach is better than (and possibly a reaction to) the "Koochy koochy koo Mr Jesse Jackson, please don't hate us".

Zelhar, I don't believe Rubystars is talking about Ron. She is just talking about "some Jews" in general and I have to agree with her! I don't understand WHY some are so defensive and automatically ASSUME that Christians are here to prosteletize and converty Jews to Christianity! WE are ALL here for the SAME REASON! If no one "gets" that by now, then they shouldn't be here, plain and simple. I don't know about you, but I want everyone here's friendship and support and I sure hope they want mine too, because in these times, we truly NEED each other. :fist:
Arksis I share your goals of forming a united front to defend all of our respective countries against Islam. But this is an open forum and anyone can register to here. The core members here, as well as the admins and mods are all in favor of cooperation between gentiles and Jews. I don't really understand what's the point of complaining about "some Jews" in general. You can find in any large group "some subgroup" who are "so and so".

I'm so sorry Zelhar, I guess some of us are little more sensitive than others and take things personally. You are right that some are "so and so", but I have always accepted others, whether I like their beliefs are not, because I learn from them and sometimes we become great friends.

I also apologize to Christian4Jews for getting us off track here.
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Post by: looserivet on December 31, 2009, 03:15:37 PM
no one going to ask me questions :(

Yes, what got you interested in JTF and where in the UK do you hail from? Me I'm from Liverpool and I need some new wheels for my car so if you could provide your post code that would be supper!
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Post by: Rubystars on December 31, 2009, 06:26:37 PM
no one going to ask me questions :(
I am scared to ask anything and bring on the wrath of Jebus  :::D Now I have to get a Jebus idol for my collection and I don't know where to find one :'(

I love your posts :)
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Post by: Rubystars on December 31, 2009, 06:28:20 PM
I tell you what Zelhar I will make a deal with all the anti-Christian Jews here. I would be perfectly willing to accept the fact that they hate Christians and don't want them as friends, on the condition that they never complain about Christian anti-Semitism again. If you want us as friends welcome us, if you don't want us as friends then don't complain about Christian enemies.
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Post by: ~Hanna~ on December 31, 2009, 06:59:36 PM
yes, good point.

I tell you what Zelhar I will make a deal with all the anti-Christian Jews here. I would be perfectly willing to accept the fact that they hate Christians and don't want them as friends, on the condition that they never complain about Christian anti-Semitism again. If you want us as friends welcome us, if you don't want us as friends then don't complain about Christian enemies.
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Post by: Zelhar on January 01, 2010, 02:52:10 AM
I tell you what Zelhar I will make a deal with all the anti-Christian Jews here. I would be perfectly willing to accept the fact that they hate Christians and don't want them as friends, on the condition that they never complain about Christian anti-Semitism again. If you want us as friends welcome us, if you don't want us as friends then don't complain about Christian enemies.
Let me try to understand what you say- First thing you must understand that you can't ask any Jew to stop complaining, that's like asking him to stop being Jews, its in our blood to complain and complain about everything.

Now Anti-Christian Jews don't want Christian as friends. They also tend to have chutzpa to say that in your face- how they don't believe you and what they think of your faith etc. So you can't be friends but you still don't have to fight. Basically these guys ask you to leave them alone and then they want come to you.

On the other way, the Anti-Jewish Christians, they will come to us Jews of every variety, they will try to convert us, or condemn us, or inquisite us, or burn us at the stake. I just can't see the symmetry.

Besides Ruby, I thought as a Christian aren't you supposed to give the other cheek and stuff like that ?
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Post by: ~Hanna~ on January 01, 2010, 04:31:57 AM
fyi, many Christians have been burned at the stake.
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Post by: Zelhar on January 01, 2010, 06:25:52 AM
fyi, many Christians have been burned at the stake.
Yes but who burned them.
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Post by: looserivet on January 01, 2010, 08:57:21 AM
First thing you must understand that you can't ask any Jew to stop complaining, that's like asking him to stop being Jews, its in our blood to complain and complain about everything.

Well no wonder we have so many schizophrenics in the UK, it's not the done thing in the UK to complain even when we should. That's why we get appalling levels of service. British Jews must be in a right quandary :dance:
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Post by: Rubystars on January 02, 2010, 05:38:50 PM
Let me try to understand what you say- First thing you must understand that you can't ask any Jew to stop complaining, that's like asking him to stop being Jews, its in our blood to complain and complain about everything.

I have to admit this made me laugh even though it is stereotypical.  ;D

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Now Anti-Christian Jews don't want Christian as friends. They also tend to have chutzpa to say that in your face- how they don't believe you and what they think of your faith etc. So you can't be friends but you still don't have to fight. Basically these guys ask you to leave them alone and then they want come to you.

On the other way, the Anti-Jewish Christians, they will come to us Jews of every variety, they will try to convert us, or condemn us, or inquisite us, or burn us at the stake. I just can't see the symmetry.

Besides Ruby, I thought as a Christian aren't you supposed to give the other cheek and stuff like that ?

I think when people are nasty to Christians on a personal level, we are, ideally, supposed to forgive them.  What irritates me is the hypocrisy. If you dont' like anti-Semites, then why turn people who don't want to be anti-Semitic away?
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Post by: christians4jews on January 02, 2010, 05:39:31 PM
no one going to ask me questions :(
I must apologize for diverging this thread.

You said you have Jewish ancestors, can you be a little more explicit ?

uncle and cousins...
Title: Re: ask christian4jews if you dare...
Post by: Moshe92 on January 02, 2010, 05:51:09 PM
no one going to ask me questions :(
I must apologize for diverging this thread.

You said you have Jewish ancestors, can you be a little more explicit ?

uncle and cousins...

Do you actually have Jewish blood, or did some of your aunts and cousins intermarry with Jews?
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Post by: nessuno on January 02, 2010, 06:10:43 PM
Let me try to understand what you say- First thing you must understand that you can't ask any Jew to stop complaining, that's like asking him to stop being Jews, its in our blood to complain and complain about everything.

I have to admit this made me laugh even though it is stereotypical.  ;D

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Now Anti-Christian Jews don't want Christian as friends. They also tend to have chutzpa to say that in your face- how they don't believe you and what they think of your faith etc. So you can't be friends but you still don't have to fight. Basically these guys ask you to leave them alone and then they want come to you.

On the other way, the Anti-Jewish Christians, they will come to us Jews of every variety, they will try to convert us, or condemn us, or inquisite us, or burn us at the stake. I just can't see the symmetry.

Besides Ruby, I thought as a Christian aren't you supposed to give the other cheek and stuff like that ?

I think when people are nasty to Christians on a personal level, we are, ideally, supposed to forgive them.  What irritates me is the hypocrisy. If you dont' like anti-Semites, then why turn people who don't want to be anti-Semitic away?
Exactly. 
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Post by: Zelhar on January 02, 2010, 11:42:26 PM
Let me try to understand what you say- First thing you must understand that you can't ask any Jew to stop complaining, that's like asking him to stop being Jews, its in our blood to complain and complain about everything.

I have to admit this made me laugh even though it is stereotypical.  ;D

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Now Anti-Christian Jews don't want Christian as friends. They also tend to have chutzpa to say that in your face- how they don't believe you and what they think of your faith etc. So you can't be friends but you still don't have to fight. Basically these guys ask you to leave them alone and then they want come to you.

On the other way, the Anti-Jewish Christians, they will come to us Jews of every variety, they will try to convert us, or condemn us, or inquisite us, or burn us at the stake. I just can't see the symmetry.

Besides Ruby, I thought as a Christian aren't you supposed to give the other cheek and stuff like that ?

I think when people are nasty to Christians on a personal level, we are, ideally, supposed to forgive them.  What irritates me is the hypocrisy. If you dont' like anti-Semites, then why turn people who don't want to be anti-Semitic away?
Exactly. 

I tried to explain that within real and historical context there is no symetry between "anti-semitic Christian" and "anti-christian Jew". The former seeks to either convert or destroy the Jews, while the latter wants no contact and no cooperation with Christians.

A Jew such as you describe as anti-Christian, is one who anyway assumes that you are all anti-semites already so he doesn't think he is creating any new enemy, but at most unmask an existing one.

So I would understand why a Christian would back off and not offer any support to Jews when facing such attitude from some of the people he offered his friendship, but I don't think this is reason for him/her to transform from philo-semitic to anti-semitic.
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Post by: Rubystars on January 03, 2010, 02:29:17 AM
I tried to explain that within real and historical context there is no symetry between "anti-semitic Christian" and "anti-christian Jew". The former seeks to either convert or destroy the Jews, while the latter wants no contact and no cooperation with Christians.

I tried to explain but maybe I just am not very good at it. What I am trying to get at, is that it's just plain stupid to push someone away and reject their friendship, then complain because that person is not your friend.

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A Jew such as you describe as anti-Christian, is one who anyway assumes that you are all anti-semites already so he doesn't think he is creating any new enemy, but at most unmask an existing one.

Even if that were true, the hateful attitude I've seen toward Christians is likely to ensure that anti-Semitic "Christians" are more likely to stay that way rather than come to their senses. It's only human nature not to want to be a punching bag.

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So I would understand why a Christian would back off and not offer any support to Jews when facing such attitude from some of the people he offered his friendship, but I don't think this is reason for him/her to transform from philo-semitic to anti-semitic.

There is no excuse for hating Jewish people but as you suggested it can and will decrease open support if Christians are treated like punching bags. However I think there is also a danger of making people hate Jews if they have bad experiences that to them portray Jews as hateful people, even if they don't see the whole picture.
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Post by: ~Hanna~ on January 03, 2010, 02:41:17 AM
I just wish we could all get along... :(
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Post by: christians4jews on January 03, 2010, 08:40:44 AM
no one going to ask me questions :(
I must apologize for diverging this thread.

You said you have Jewish ancestors, can you be a little more explicit ?

uncle and cousins...

Do you actually have Jewish blood, or did some of your aunts and cousins intermarry with Jews?

i personally dont have any jewish blood, mines scottish and italian, but as you rightly say i have alot of jews in my family through intermarridge etc.
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Post by: Rubystars on January 03, 2010, 09:17:20 AM
Christians4Jews, first of all, sorry for hijacking your thread! Second of all, what do you think is the best strategy for defeating world wide Islam?
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Post by: pennyjangle on January 03, 2010, 03:20:38 PM
So Christians4Jews and Christians4Jews ONLY  :::D

How old are you? (Most men don't post their age......they're like us women!)
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Post by: christians4jews on January 03, 2010, 04:33:40 PM
Christians4Jews, first of all, sorry for hijacking your thread! Second of all, what do you think is the best strategy for defeating world wide Islam?

by education. I rmemeber chaim and craig winn saying 90 percent of america was kkk at one time, then when everyone learnt what it was actually about, the vast majority left it...

No such thing as a moderate muslim, if you are, you will go to hell and get punished more than christians and jews according to islam...


So i would make it public that mohammed was a paedophile that had sex with a 6 year old, killed thousadns of innocent jewish children and women and genwinely was horrific...

I actually think people are slowly losing patients, even my ultra pc brother who use to brown nose islam is waking up its a unevolved backward culture...hopefully the we will wake up before  its to late...

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Post by: christians4jews on January 03, 2010, 04:34:16 PM
So Christians4Jews and Christians4Jews ONLY  :::D

How old are you? (Most men don't post their age......they're like us women!)

25 years old...
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Post by: looserivet on January 03, 2010, 09:40:27 PM
So Christians4Jews and Christians4Jews ONLY  :::D

How old are you? (Most men don't post their age......they're like us women!)

25 years old...

I'm sorry but you can't use 25 and old in the same sentence!
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Post by: looserivet on January 03, 2010, 09:45:28 PM
So i would make it public that mohammed was a pedophile that had sex with a 6 year old,

Oh come on, he wasn't a pervert you know! He only Married her when she was 6 and waited till she was 9 to have sex with her. Tsk and you almost had me convinced he was a pervert then.

That is sarcasm BTW!
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Post by: christians4jews on January 04, 2010, 06:24:40 AM
^^^ahahaha
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Post by: Zelhar on January 04, 2010, 07:50:44 AM
christian4jews do you seriously think you can educate muslims, I mean how can you compete with the education they received from their home, their mosques, the madrassas, and the Islamic media ? These people can't be educated, maybe some can be deprogrammed.
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Post by: christians4jews on January 04, 2010, 10:56:16 AM
christian4jews do you seriously think you can educate muslims, I mean how can you compete with the education they received from their home, their mosques, the madrassas, and the Islamic media ? These people can't be educated, maybe some can be deprogrammed.

very true...but i was thinkig more in europe. England white christians are still the majority, and with the continually slating of islam in the media, will make even the most liberal despise muslims. As chaim said about a girl/marries a non jew in israel, they wouldnt want to live in israel.

Same will be the case, if they are true muslims they will leave. I will even teach the western world  about the technique of them openingly lying to protect islam...

Obviously i would carpet bomb iran. I would also airstrike on saudi arabia. May not be popular but i can guarentee you would see reduced terrorism.

I would also stop foreign aid to israel and give them grounds to do whatever they wanted to the middle eastern hell holes..

PLus i would make us energy independant as well..


So you have the western world on your side..., you would eradicate many muslims, and you would starve them of their wealth..
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Post by: mord on January 04, 2010, 04:45:00 PM
To christian4jews why would European leaders allow 40 million muslims into Europe? If social welfare checks were stopped do you think these muzzie creatures would leave Europe
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Post by: christians4jews on January 05, 2010, 05:48:41 PM
To christian4jews why would European leaders allow 40 million muslims into Europe? If social welfare checks were stopped do you think these muzzie creatures would leave Europe

its incredible how europe have let islam get this far...but incredibly i do see a light at the end of the tunnell, i.e with that new conservative guy from holland and english defence leagues etc...

well its a start...as for your oringinal question, yes..im sure they would go back to their hellholes..
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Post by: Rubystars on January 13, 2010, 04:21:48 PM
Dear Christian4jews, you had said earlier in the thread that you don't follow any particular denomination. I feel the same way. What do you believe about the method of baptism? Some sects believe in full immersion, others believe in pouring the water, and others believe in sprinkling water.

I personally think that any method is ok as long as it's done sincerely, however I prefer full immersion baptism because that's how I believe that Jesus was baptised, and that's how I chose to be baptised.

What do you think on this issue?
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Post by: christians4jews on February 02, 2010, 03:16:52 PM
Dear Christian4jews, you had said earlier in the thread that you don't follow any particular denomination. I feel the same way. What do you believe about the method of baptism? Some sects believe in full immersion, others believe in pouring the water, and others believe in sprinkling water.

I personally think that any method is ok as long as it's done sincerely, however I prefer full immersion baptism because that's how I believe that Jesus was baptised, and that's how I chose to be baptised.

What do you think on this issue?

nail on the head....how jesus did it is how we should do it..