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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Kananga on October 19, 2007, 11:39:27 AM
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Circumcision is one of the covenantial mitzvot, along with Shabbat and Tefillin. But just as many jews do not don tefillin or observe Shabbat, do you believe that circumcision has lost it's importance in the modern age as well?
Some people argue that cirucumcision is cruel practice that should not be imposed upon children who are too young to make decisions for themselves.
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Some people argue that cirucumcision is cruel practice that should not be imposed upon children who are too young to make decisions for themselves.
People who say that are ridiculous, my son was circumcised right after he was born, he doesnt remember the proceedure and has no issues or fears or ill effects.
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and it can prevent AIDS.yes it s true
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Excuse me sir, but who are YOU to tell me how I'm supposed to think? Besides, I'm only posing a question in order to initiate a discussion. In this week's Torah portion, Abraham is given the covenant and the mitzvot of circumcision.
Is there some reason you would want to discredit my conversion Yacov?
Circumcision is one of the covenantial mitzvot, along with Shabbat and Tefillin. But just as many jews do not don tefillin or observe Shabbat, do you believe that circumcision has lost it's importance in the modern age as well?
Some people argue that cirucumcision is cruel practice that should not be imposed upon children who are too young to make decisions for themselves.
What kind of convert are you if you say that? You talk more like a self-hating Jew than a convert.
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and it can prevent AIDS.yes it s true
please explain ???
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Sure it prevents[sometimes AIDS]So the world community is trying to teach that to Africans ,who see it as a shame. :)
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and it can prevent AIDS.yes it s true
How on earth can it prevent aids ?
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Im not sure,but Im not making this up.Do the research.But ,not to say we cant catch AIDS but less likely :) to.
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Im not sure,but Im not making this up.Do the research.But ,not to say we cant catch AIDS but less likely :) to.
It seems there is some validity to what ChristianWhiteNation.name says
O0
I had never heard that before. 8;)
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How can we tolerate and have such a disgusting question even posed?
Can I make a pole asking - Should murder be permissible? or rape tolerated?
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I Would never lie to anyone!yes scientists say so .It is less prone to keeping germs alive.
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and it can prevent AIDS.yes it s true
How on earth can it prevent aids ?
NOT TRUE.
I'm sorry, but in medical school all the years of research that have been done this has not been proven!
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However, I could be part of the establishment...LOL ;D
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Very recent! It is a matter of cleanliness!
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How can we tolerate and have such a disgusting question even posed?
Can I make a pole asking - Should murder be permissible? or rape tolerated?
What's disgusting about it? There are real people, both Jews and Gentiles, who are against circumcision.
http://www.myjewishlearning.com/lifecycle/Ceremonies_For_Newborns/Overview_Contemporary_Issues/The_Circumcision_Debate.htm
By the way, I am NOT opposed to circumcision. I'm a convert, remember??
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This poll is very disrespectful of G-d's commandment and sign of His eternal covenant with the Jewish people.
This is not even a question that needs to be asked on a Torah forum. G-d is eternal and so are his commandments. They are never "outdated". The results are in already and the poll is now locked.
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I actually know of a case of someone having an severe infection after and uiltimatley had everything removed.
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What's disgusting about it? There are real people, both Jews and Gentiles, who are against circumcision.
http://www.myjewishlearning.com/lifecycle/Ceremonies_For_Newborns/Overview_Contemporary_Issues/The_Circumcision_Debate.htm
By the way, I am NOT opposed to circumcision. I'm a convert, remember??
Kananga, please don't post that site in the Torah section.
Here are some of it's 'major partners':
http://www.myjewishlearning.com/links/lindex/majorpartners.htm
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Central Conference of American Rabbis
Official site of the rabbinical arm of the Reform Movement
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The Reconstructionist Rabbinical Association
Official site of the rabbinical arm of the Reconstructionist Movement
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Society for Humanistic Judaism
A Jewish movement than embraces a historical, cultural context that imparts significance and value to Jewish identity
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USCJ United Synagogue of Conservative Judaism
Official site of for the lay arm of the Conservative Movement
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What's disgusting about it? There are real people, both Jews and Gentiles, who are against circumcision.
http://www.myjewishlearning.com/lifecycle/Ceremonies_For_Newborns/Overview_Contemporary_Issues/The_Circumcision_Debate.htm
By the way, I am NOT opposed to circumcision. I'm a convert, remember??
Kananga, please don't post that site in the Torah section.
Here are some of it's 'major partners':
http://www.myjewishlearning.com/links/lindex/majorpartners.htm
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Central Conference of American Rabbis
Official site of the rabbinical arm of the Reform Movement
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The Reconstructionist Rabbinical Association
Official site of the rabbinical arm of the Reconstructionist Movement
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Society for Humanistic Judaism
A Jewish movement than embraces a historical, cultural context that imparts significance and value to Jewish identity
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USCJ United Synagogue of Conservative Judaism
Official site of for the lay arm of the Conservative Movement
Also look at these links:
http://www.myjewishlearning.com/links/lindex/glbt.htm
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Religious issues for Jews aside, male circumcision is a very good idea to say the least!
My paternal great grandfather was a Norwegian protestant who moved to the Pacific Islands. My maternal great grandfather was an Aussie Catholic army officer. ALL their children were circumcised.
In hot, humid countries it is just plain stupid NOT to circumcise male children. In WW2 in New Guinnea, Aussie troops were lined up outside to MO's tent for circumcision due to the excrusiating discomfort of an uncircumcised willy in the tropics. (The Army normally does NOT perform elective surgury.....circumcision was the exception!).
Yes....I know proper hygeine can eleviate most problems but why the high maintainance if there is an alternative.
Secondly.....women HATE the sight of uncircumcised willies. Imagine the trauma and embarressment a young man could suffer if his new girlfriend or bride was to say...."EWWW! YUK!!!! Put that ugly thing away and never take it out again!"
Circumcision is ALL positive. There are NO drawbacks.
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I'm cut.. wouldn't have it any other way O0
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Religious issues for Jews aside, male circumcision is a very good idea to say the least!
My paternal great grandfather was a Norwegian protestant who moved to the Pacific Islands. My maternal great grandfather was an Aussie Catholic army officer. ALL their children were circumcised.
In hot, humid countries it is just plain stupid NOT to circumcise male children. In WW2 in New Guinnea, Aussie troops were lined up outside to MO's tent for circumcision due to the excrusiating discomfort of an uncircumcised willy in the tropics. (The Army normally does NOT perform elective surgury.....circumcision was the exception!).
Yes....I know proper hygeine can eleviate most problems but why the high maintainance if there is an alternative.
Secondly.....women HATE the sight of uncircumcised willies. Imagine the trauma and embarressment a young man could suffer if his new girlfriend or bride was to say...."EWWW! YUK!!!! Put that ugly thing away and never take it out again!"
Circumcision is ALL positive. There are NO drawbacks.
So are you circumcised?
Yes (Thank G_d).
It was one of the few decent things my parents did for me. Apart from not having to look at an ugly (uncircumcised) carrot in the shower, I'm eternally grateful that they circumcised me for the 7 months of the year in Brisbane when the heat and humidity are unbearable.
We Aussies bath twice a day and un-cut willies are nasty just the same. Imagine all those englishmen with their discusting un-cut ones when they only bathe once a week!!! YUK!!!!!!!!!! :o
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:::D Newman! I'm cracking up over here!
Since you were originally desert people, it also helped. I doubt our ancestors would want sand trapped down there. ::)
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It is healthy for boys when they grow up to be men. And when it is done you what a day or 2 old you don't remember it.
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I don't know why people are getting pissed at this topic. It was presented as a question to spark a discussion, no opinion on the matter was even initially presented.
I got circumcised later in life and it was the best decision I ever made. I fulfilled the ancient covenant of my ancestors and am at less risk for various health problems. Not to mention having an uncircumcised schmekel is absolutely disgusting.
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Of course there are benefits to being circumsized.
You won't have to worry about [censored]
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I feel sorry for the babies crying when I see them in videos, but I know it doesn't do any long term harm. I don't think there's anything wrong with it. If anything people should be trying to stop females from being cut.
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I think circumcision is ok for Jews and some other nations who descend from Abraham, alav haShalom. But I oppose it for other Gentiles, except for real medical reasons. I think a true Noahide should not do it, since Abraham who was under the Noahide Laws didn't get it until he was ordered by Hashem.
But the "convert" who questioned it for Jews......hmmmmm if he thought like this at the moment he accepted conversion......he would be rejecting a Torah pasuk and his conversion could be invalid.
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I feel sorry for the babies crying when I see them in videos, but I know it doesn't do any long term harm. I don't think there's anything wrong with it. If anything people should be trying to stop females from being cut.
Now that I agree, what Muzzies do to 6 year old girls is a disgrace and not one so called human rights groups speak out of this barbarism
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ok why are people calling him "the convert" I thought as Jews, we are supposed to treat someone who converted as if they were a Jew and not remind them that they converted?
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ok why are people calling him "the convert" I thought as Jews, we are supposed to treat someone who converted as if they were a Jew and not remind them that they converted?
I honestly wonder what Skippy thinks of converts.
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ok why are people calling him "the convert" I thought as Jews, we are supposed to treat someone who converted as if they were a Jew and not remind them that they converted?
Whoever made that remark clearly hasn't studied the Torah.
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ok why are people calling him "the convert" I thought as Jews, we are supposed to treat someone who converted as if they were a Jew and not remind them that they converted?
He's just not Jewish enough :::D
"I keed!"
That's the mentality of a lot of people on this forum seem to have. Of course, it's the most religiously repressed who are the kinkiest at best. Seriously, I'd love to see what some of the "überjews" of the forums have hidden in their closet.
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ok why are people calling him "the convert" I thought as Jews, we are supposed to treat someone who converted as if they were a Jew and not remind them that they converted?
Circumcision is one of the covenantial mitzvot, along with Shabbat and Tefillin. But just as many jews do not don tefillin or observe Shabbat, do you believe that circumcision has lost it's importance in the modern age as well?
Some people argue that cirucumcision is cruel practice that should not be imposed upon children who are too young to make decisions for themselves.
What kind of convert are you if you say that? You talk more like a self-hating Jew than a convert.
Naturally it was Yacov Menashe Ben Rachamim, such a tzadik, he may as well claim direct lineage of Moshe.
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Is tough love cruel when it comes down to a family member or child?
I certainly hope not.
Is killing someone who is about to kill you cruel?
Unless you are a leftist self hating idiot, no, it's not cruel.
Circumcision may seem cruel, but you see? It isn't.
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How can we tolerate and have such a disgusting question even posed?
Can I make a pole asking - Should murder be permissible? or rape tolerated?
Amen!
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and it can prevent AIDS.yes it s true
How on earth can it prevent aids ?
NOT TRUE.
I'm sorry, but in medical school all the years of research that have been done this has not been proven!
you know? I dont' care what is or isn't proven.. Jews need to do it..end of story.
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How can we tolerate and have such a disgusting question even posed?
Can I make a pole asking - Should murder be permissible? or rape tolerated?
It's not that bad of a question. It's not like we're going into any major details about how it's done.
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I call him the "Convert" b/c, if he had such a thought against Bris at the time he "converted", his conversion might be Hallachically invalid. I have nothing against TRUE converts, they are as Jewish as the native Jews.
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Some deep stuff!And of course I have had the procedure,let those who don't believe continue in thier dis belief.Tell them and if they turn away,so be it! ;)
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I call him the "Convert" b/c, if he had such a thought against Bris at the time he "converted", his conversion might be Hallachically invalid. I have nothing against TRUE converts, they are as Jewish as the native Jews.
Are you a Rabbi?
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I was, and so was my brother and nephew and we are not Jewish.
http://www.circumcisioninfo.com/schoen1.html
Read this, Circumcision is healthy for boys as they grow up to be men
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its intersting how Brit Millah (circumsionson) was first started by Jews and the whole world hated the idea of a circumsionion they banned Jews from having circumcisions. but today the whole world gets a circumcision, mulsim copied us, and doctors have said its a halt procedure.
That's not completely true, circumcision isn't very commonly practiced in eastern europe, not sure about the rest of europe. In America it's common because of claims of medical reasons, now the thread poster said that he didn't see any medical evidence of circumcision. I'm not against circumcision for Jews because it's part of our faith, but for gentiles, theres a lot of controversy over gentiles and their kids. I don't think gentiles should be forced to have it and can understand why they would be upset about it.
But yeah I think there are a few European states that actually ban circumcision. I don't think it's very common in Asia either.
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I call him the "Convert" b/c, if he had such a thought against Bris at the time he "converted", his conversion might be Hallachically invalid. I have nothing against TRUE converts, they are as Jewish as the native Jews.
Are you a Rabbi?
No, not even a Jew. But when I aimed to convert I learned that, if the convert rejects one Torah Law at the moment of the conversion, it's invalid. And if it is later known, the conversion can be anulled. However, if he accepted all the Torah sincerely but had ulterior reasons to convert and hid them from the Beis Din, the conversion is still valid. I only suggested that he should consult an authority if he disagreed with Bris for children, even if he accepted it on him......