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Title: Coincidence or Providence?
Post by: judeanoncapta on October 29, 2007, 12:07:24 PM
I think it is Providence.
Title: Re: Coincidence or Providence?
Post by: kellymaureen on October 29, 2007, 12:17:39 PM
I agree, not a coincidence.
Title: Re: Coincidence or Providence?
Post by: mord on October 29, 2007, 12:19:14 PM
Don'nt know
Title: Re: Coincidence or Providence?
Post by: Dexter on October 29, 2007, 12:23:08 PM
Begin died because he was in a depression because of the 1982' war and all the soliders that died in it (plus, the leftists called him Nazi, Murderer etc').
Netanyahu isn't dead as far as I know and he have pretty big support in the Israeli public.

Title: Re: Coincidence or Providence?
Post by: judeanoncapta on October 29, 2007, 12:28:39 PM
Begin died because he was in a depression because of the 1982' war and all the soliders that died in it (plus, the leftists called him Nazi, Murderer etc').
Netanyahu isn't dead as far as I know and he have pretty big support in the Israeli public.



Dexter, listen.     

Begin and Netanyahu were examples of leaders deposed within a year of giving up land. Begin with Yamit and Netanyahu with the Wye-Hebron surrender.

 Rabin and Sharon are examples of Dead.

 Olmert will either die of cancer or leave office, so we don't know what will happen with him yet.

 I guess all of Chaim's "They should only die of cancer" curses actually work.
Title: Re: Coincidence or Providence?
Post by: guyNbluejeans on October 29, 2007, 12:30:51 PM
Ultimately, I suspect, God has a say in all things.
Title: Re: Coincidence or Providence?
Post by: Dexter on October 29, 2007, 12:33:21 PM
Begin died because he was in a depression because of the 1982' war and all the soliders that died in it (plus, the leftists called him Nazi, Murderer etc').
Netanyahu isn't dead as far as I know and he have pretty big support in the Israeli public.



Dexter, listen.     

Begin and Netanyahu were examples of leaders deposed within a year of giving up land. Begin with Yamit and Netanyahu with the Wye-Hebron surrender.

 Rabin and Sharon are examples of Dead.

 Olmert will either die of cancer or leave office, so we don't know what will happen with him yet.

 I guess all of Chaim's "They should only die of cancer" curses actually work.
Actually, Begin died 13 years (If i'm correct, anyway, it was more than 10 years) after giving up the land, so it have nothing to do with each other.
Rabin was murderd, and Sharon isn't dead..
Title: Re: Coincidence or Providence?
Post by: judeanoncapta on October 29, 2007, 12:34:08 PM
Ultimately, I suspect, G-d has a say in all things.

That's my point.

I think that it is obvious that when Olmert gets cancer RIGHT BEFORE his big give away Judea and Samaria conference, that is no coincidence.

That is no coincidence.
Title: Re: Coincidence or Providence?
Post by: judeanoncapta on October 29, 2007, 12:35:49 PM
Begin died because he was in a depression because of the 1982' war and all the soliders that died in it (plus, the leftists called him Nazi, Murderer etc').
Netanyahu isn't dead as far as I know and he have pretty big support in the Israeli public.



Dexter, listen.     

Begin and Netanyahu were examples of leaders deposed within a year of giving up land. Begin with Yamit and Netanyahu with the Wye-Hebron surrender.

 Rabin and Sharon are examples of Dead.

 Olmert will either die of cancer or leave office, so we don't know what will happen with him yet.

 I guess all of Chaim's "They should only die of cancer" curses actually work.
Actually, Begin died 13 years after giving up the land, so it have nothing to do with each other.
Rabin was murderd, and Sharon isn't dead..

I said DEPOSED, Dexter. Not Dead.

And Sharon is brain dead.

He is for all practical purposes dead.

Either way, he was deposed.
Title: Re: Coincidence or Providence?
Post by: Dexter on October 29, 2007, 12:39:10 PM
Ultimately, I suspect, G-d has a say in all things.

That's my point.

I think that it is obvious that when Olmert gets cancer RIGHT BEFORE his big give away Judea and Samaria conference, that is no coincidence.

That is no coincidence.
Huh ? Olmert wanted to give Judea and Samaria but no more, now Jerusalem is only in his mind and it's on theory anyway.

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I said DEPOSED, Dexter. Not Dead.

And Sharon is brain dead.

He is for all practical purposes dead.

Either way, he was deposed.
Sorry..It's obvious that Netanyahu was deposed after his acts, but he do have a lot of support.
Begin quited so it is diffrent.
Title: Re: Coincidence or Providence?
Post by: judeanoncapta on October 29, 2007, 12:57:47 PM
Earth to Dexter.   


   Bush wants a Palestinian state created before he leaves office.

That means Judea and Samaria and Jerusalem.

It's not theory, it may happen very soon.

Now Bush may need to find another pushover.

 But it's not theory, Bush is actively pushing for it.
Title: Re: Coincidence or Providence?
Post by: Ultra Requete on October 29, 2007, 01:06:08 PM
I can't belive I defended this man a year ago; George Wahabi Bush turned to no better traitor than Clinton or Carter; If the Bush will force the Annapolis conforence on weak Jehudas US will be struck by Muslim terrorists; The G-d does exists and HE don't like people an/or nations tryng to divide Holy Land.   
Title: Re: Coincidence or Providence?
Post by: Dexter on October 29, 2007, 01:07:03 PM
Earth to Dexter.   


   Bush wants a PLO/Hamas Arab Muslim Nazi state created before he leaves office.

That means Judea and Samaria and Jerusalem.

It's not theory, it may happen very soon.

Now Bush may need to find another pushover.

 But it's not theory, Bush is actively pushing for it.
Dexter to earth:
Bush wants to create a PLO/Hamas Arab Muslim Nazi state created before he leaves office, but there are no talks about it in the Israeli PM's office. And it is theory, for now.
Title: Re: Coincidence or Providence?
Post by: kellymaureen on October 29, 2007, 01:07:49 PM
I can't belive I defended this man a year ago; George Wahabi Bush turned to no better traitor than Clinton or Carter; If the Bush will force the Annapolis conforence on weak Jehudas US will be struck by Muslim terrorists; The G-d does exists and HE don't like people an/or nations tryng to divide Holy Land.   

I agree, I voted for him because I never vote dem, and the alternative to him was horrifying...but he has disappointed me.
Title: Re: Coincidence or Providence?
Post by: judeanoncapta on October 29, 2007, 01:12:41 PM
Earth to Dexter.   


   Bush wants a PLO/Hamas Arab Muslim Nazi state created before he leaves office.

That means Judea and Samaria and Jerusalem.

It's not theory, it may happen very soon.

Now Bush may need to find another pushover.

 But it's not theory, Bush is actively pushing for it.
Dexter to earth:
Bush wants to create a PLO/Hamas Arab Muslim Nazi state created before he leaves office, but there are no talks about it in the Israeli PM's office. And it is theory, for now.

Dexter, how do YOU know what is spoken about in the PM's office and what is not?

He keeps making statements about how he want his hitkansut plan.

I don't understand your optimism.
Title: Re: Coincidence or Providence?
Post by: Yisrael on October 29, 2007, 01:14:49 PM
I think it is Providence.

Absolutely. 
Title: Re: Coincidence or Providence?
Post by: Dr. Dan on October 29, 2007, 01:50:56 PM
Prostate cancer..

this type of cancer is a sad thing..Guiliani had it when he was running for NY senate against Hitlery..but he's ok now...

But yes, as far as Olmert...fascinating that I saw that in teh headlines..
Title: Re: Coincidence or Providence?
Post by: guyNbluejeans on October 29, 2007, 02:03:29 PM
Ultimately, I suspect, G-d has a say in all things.

That's my point.

I think that it is obvious that when Olmert gets cancer RIGHT BEFORE his big give away Judea and Samaria conference, that is no coincidence.

That is no coincidence.

The brilliant Dr. Savage I'm sure would have something to add to this question. He'd probably make a mention about specific things that haven't gone Israel's way and then ask you/me about the (seeming) inconsistency on God's part.
Title: Re: Coincidence or Providence?
Post by: Dexter on October 29, 2007, 02:04:05 PM
Earth to Dexter.   


   Bush wants a PLO/Hamas Arab Muslim Nazi state created before he leaves office.

That means Judea and Samaria and Jerusalem.

It's not theory, it may happen very soon.

Now Bush may need to find another pushover.

 But it's not theory, Bush is actively pushing for it.
Dexter to earth:
Bush wants to create a PLO/Hamas Arab Muslim Nazi state created before he leaves office, but there are no talks about it in the Israeli PM's office. And it is theory, for now.

Dexter, how do YOU know what is spoken about in the PM's office and what is not?

He keeps making statements about how he want his hitkansut plan.

I don't understand your optimism.
Chaim is right when he says that Bibi is more dangerous than Olmert.
Even it's spoken in the PM's office right now (and I don't think it is), Olmert have no political force to do this act.
Title: Re: Coincidence or Providence?
Post by: Dan on October 29, 2007, 02:15:54 PM
Coincidence I think NOT!