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Title: Incest
Post by: RationalThought110 on November 09, 2007, 03:26:48 AM
What would you say explains the universality of the incest taboo? 


"1. Instinctive Horror of Incest: It is assumed that most people nearly everywhere consider the prospect of incestuous relationships to be repulsive, and would not consider engaging in, or permitting such relationships to be officially sanctioned.
   
2. Childhood Familiarity Theory: This theory suggests that familiarity breeds sexual disinterest. Advanced by Edward Westermarch, this theory found some validation in the work of Yanina Talmon. Talmon studied 125 married couples in Israel, all of whom were raised in the children's houses of various Kibbutzim. Her work revealed that none of the couples married someone from the same children's house from which they were raised. When asked, the couples basically responded that marrying someone from the same children's house was like marrying one's own sister or brother. The childhood familiarity theory suggests that we are unlikely to marry someone whom we know very well from childhood - even if that person is not our blood relative.
   
3. Freud's Psychoanalytic Theory: Freud suggest that there is a natural attraction that a son has for his mother, called the oedipal complex. Likewise, there is a natural attraction that a daughter has for her father, called the electra complex. "Freud believed that people have an innate desire to commit incest and that the incest taboo prevents them from carrying out such deep seated desires". see: Britannica.com http://www.britannica.com/bcom/eb/article/8/0,5716,118058+2+109755,00.html

   4. Family Disruption Theory: Forwarded by Branislaw Malinowski, this theory suggests that, if incest were permitted, the resulting sexual tension would disrupt the family, and ultimately threaten the stability of society.

   5. Cooperation Theory: advanced by Edward Tyler, this theory suggests that the purpose of the incest taboo is to encourage cooperation with groups outside the family. By marrying outside of one's family, one forms connections with outsiders, thus reducing the possibility of conflict with others.

   6. Inbreeding Theory: Perhaps the best known reason for the incest taboo is the notion that sex between relatives who are too closely related may result in genetic anomalies in the resulting offspring. Generally, without genetic diversity, our species would have difficulty adapting to new environments. For the most part, incest is a problem for any species where the period of gestation (pregnancy) is long, and the number of live offspring per birth is very few. At nine months, the period of gestation among  humans is long, and the number of offspring per birth (usually one) small. As a result, incest, if it were permitted as a regular practice, might prove disastrous to our survival as a species."


Anyone have anyone to add to any of these explanations or know of any other explanations? 
Title: Re: Incest
Post by: newman on November 09, 2007, 03:44:45 AM
They say incest is "the game the whole family can play". :::D

The natural aversion you speak of only applies to civilised people. Incest is all the rage with muSSlims and nigros.
Title: Re: Incest
Post by: Merkava on November 09, 2007, 03:48:28 AM
Incest is sick
Title: Re: Incest
Post by: RationalThought110 on November 09, 2007, 03:54:05 AM
Incest is sick

Yes, but could you help me come up with any other reasons?
Title: Re: Incest
Post by: newman on November 09, 2007, 03:56:36 AM
Incest is sick

Yes, but could you help me come up with any other reasons?

It produces semi-deformed, retarded children that look like............ arabs!
Title: Re: Incest
Post by: Merkava on November 09, 2007, 04:17:37 AM
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Yes, but could you help me come up with any other reasons?

1) Its sick

2) The idea of it makes me really sick

(http://www.wayodd.com/funny-pictures2/funny-pictures-been-sick-lately-BXf.jpg)
Title: Re: Incest
Post by: Yochanan on November 09, 2007, 04:38:34 AM
The universality in the human aversion to incest is the same as that to any other evil, such as murder, lack of respect, adultery and so on.

This aversion stems from our souls which contain G-d's imprint, hence "in the image of G-d was man created".
Title: Re: Incest
Post by: Lubab on November 09, 2007, 10:42:01 AM
If it weren't for incest none of us would be here.

With that said those reasons ignore what I think the biggest reason why incest is taboo in many parts of the world: the influence of Judeo-Chrisitian values, ultimately stemming from the Torah.

In countries where these values did not have a big influence, incest was not and still is not that big of a deal.

#3 is also not an answer, and if true, makes the question even stronger.
Title: Re: Incest
Post by: Mstislav on November 09, 2007, 10:52:01 AM
Incest is nasty and like homosexuality, it is forbidden by Torah. Only muzzies do incest. A couple muslim majority ethnicities are so hideous it makes me want to vomit just looking at them.
Title: Re: Incest
Post by: Lubab on November 09, 2007, 11:53:53 AM
What would you say explains the universality of the incest taboo? 


"1. Instinctive Horror of Incest: It is assumed that most people nearly everywhere consider the prospect of incestuous relationships to be repulsive, and would not consider engaging in, or permitting such relationships to be officially sanctioned.
   



This one is not really an answer at all. It is just begging the question. The question is: why do (some of us) have such an instictive horror?

#3 doesn't answer the question either.
Title: Re: Incest
Post by: Mstislav on November 09, 2007, 11:56:51 AM
What would you say explains the universality of the incest taboo? 


"1. Instinctive Horror of Incest: It is assumed that most people nearly everywhere consider the prospect of incestuous relationships to be repulsive, and would not consider engaging in, or permitting such relationships to be officially sanctioned.

This one is not really an answer at all. It is just basically begging the question. The question is: why do (some of us) have such an instictive horror?

I think Yochanan answered the question perfectly.
Title: Re: Incest
Post by: Raulmarrio2000 on November 09, 2007, 01:50:26 PM
I only wish soon intermarriage would become as a strong a taboo as incest is.
Title: Re: Incest
Post by: Mstislav on November 09, 2007, 02:36:17 PM
I only wish soon intermarriage would become as a strong a taboo as incest is.

Intermarriage between religions or races?
Title: Re: Incest
Post by: Mstislav on November 09, 2007, 02:51:57 PM
There is a narrative that the yeser hara-evil inclination for incest was lessened after the (first?) Temple was destroyed. The strong ta'aba-desire for idol worship was replaced by a ta'aba for sex, but the ta'aba for incest was pretty much cancelled. I think Lubab knows what I'm talking about.

So humanity has a strong desire to worship idols?
Title: Re: Incest
Post by: Dr. Dan on November 10, 2007, 06:18:58 PM
Incest is bad..mmkay?  Anyone that does incest should at least be kicked square in the nuts!
Title: Re: Incest
Post by: RationalThought110 on November 11, 2007, 01:26:57 AM
What would you say explains the universality of the incest taboo? 


"1. Instinctive Horror of Incest: It is assumed that most people nearly everywhere consider the prospect of incestuous relationships to be repulsive, and would not consider engaging in, or permitting such relationships to be officially sanctioned.
   



This one is not really an answer at all. It is just begging the question. The question is: why do (some of us) have such an instictive horror?

#3 doesn't answer the question either.



Thank you for your responses. 

Title: Re: Incest
Post by: RationalThought110 on November 11, 2007, 01:29:05 AM
There is a narrative that the yeser hara-evil inclination for incest was lessened after the (first?) Temple was destroyed. The strong ta'aba-desire for idol worship was replaced by a ta'aba for sex, but the ta'aba for incest was pretty much cancelled. I think Lubab knows what I'm talking about.

"The strong ta'aba-desire for idol worship was replaced by a ta'aba for sex, but the ta'aba for incest was pretty much cancelled."

What do you mean?
Title: Re: Incest
Post by: RationalThought110 on November 11, 2007, 01:47:54 AM


In Biblical times, yes, as well as for sick incest. Even the Jews chased after the idolotry that their kings chased after in Biblical times. The Flood happened because of this type of immorality. However, as mentioned before, these desires (idolotry and incest) were replaced with a strong desire for sex, excluding incest.
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But you don't think idolatry still exists? 
Title: Re: Incest
Post by: RationalThought110 on November 12, 2007, 02:37:16 PM


In Biblical times, yes, as well as for sick incest. Even the Jews chased after the idolotry that their kings chased after in Biblical times. The Flood happened because of this type of immorality. However, as mentioned before, these desires (idolotry and incest) were replaced with a strong desire for sex, excluding incest.
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Are you saying that idolatry no longer applies?
Title: Re: Incest
Post by: Sarah on November 12, 2007, 03:00:17 PM
Idolatory does apply, the Hindus worship Idols. Taking anything to be partners of God is Idol worship.
Title: Re: Incest
Post by: RationalThought110 on November 12, 2007, 03:43:05 PM
Idolatory does apply, the Hindus worship Idols. Taking anything to be partners of G-d is Idol worship.


Thanks for the response.
Title: Re: Incest
Post by: Sarah on November 12, 2007, 03:57:51 PM
Idolatory does apply, the Hindus worship Idols. Taking anything to be partners of G-d is Idol worship.


Thanks for the response.

You always ask a lot of questions. Its a very good thing.
Are you American, or Jewish?
Title: Re: Incest
Post by: Vito on November 12, 2007, 04:28:36 PM

3. Freud's Psychoanalytic Theory: Freud suggest that there is a natural attraction that a son has for his mother, called the oedipal complex. Likewise, there is a natural attraction that a daughter has for her father, called the electra complex. "Freud believed that people have an innate desire to commit incest and that the incest taboo prevents them from carrying out such deep seated desires". see: Britannica.com http://www.britannica.com/bcom/eb/article/8/0,5716,118058+2+109755,00.html
 

Freud was a nutcase.
Title: Re: Incest
Post by: HiWarp on November 12, 2007, 04:33:17 PM

3. Freud's Psychoanalytic Theory: Freud suggest that there is a natural attraction that a son has for his mother, called the oedipal complex. Likewise, there is a natural attraction that a daughter has for her father, called the electra complex. "Freud believed that people have an innate desire to commit incest and that the incest taboo prevents them from carrying out such deep seated desires". see: Britannica.com http://www.britannica.com/bcom/eb/article/8/0,5716,118058+2+109755,00.html
 

Freud was a nutcase.


Yeah, well cocaine does that to people.
Title: Re: Incest
Post by: Sarah on November 12, 2007, 04:48:20 PM

3. Freud's Psychoanalytic Theory: Freud suggest that there is a natural attraction that a son has for his mother, called the oedipal complex. Likewise, there is a natural attraction that a daughter has for her father, called the electra complex. "Freud believed that people have an innate desire to commit incest and that the incest taboo prevents them from carrying out such deep seated desires". see: Britannica.com http://www.britannica.com/bcom/eb/article/8/0,5716,118058+2+109755,00.html
 

Freud was a nutcase.

I wouldn't think that true. Although most of his theories are extremely controversial, there is something to it. It is true that daughters have a natural attraction for their fathers and likewise for a boy and his mother but not that incest is something natural.
His concepts on the unconscious mind are quite understandable.

I think he was a very intelligent man but drove himself mad and into a nut-case through his own work and extensive thinking that lead onto some made up nonsense.
Title: Re: Incest
Post by: Vito on November 12, 2007, 04:49:07 PM

3. Freud's Psychoanalytic Theory: Freud suggest that there is a natural attraction that a son has for his mother, called the oedipal complex. Likewise, there is a natural attraction that a daughter has for her father, called the electra complex. "Freud believed that people have an innate desire to commit incest and that the incest taboo prevents them from carrying out such deep seated desires". see: Britannica.com http://www.britannica.com/bcom/eb/article/8/0,5716,118058+2+109755,00.html
 

Freud was a nutcase.


Yeah, well cocaine does that to people.

True.. I also wouldn't take his advice on raising kids being that his son commited suicide.
Title: Re: Incest
Post by: newman on November 12, 2007, 04:51:03 PM
Freudian Phsycology 101:

Blame EVERYTHING on mother.
Title: Re: Incest
Post by: Sarah on November 12, 2007, 04:57:06 PM
Was he Jewish?
Title: Re: Incest
Post by: newman on November 12, 2007, 05:06:44 PM
Was he Jewish?
Freud? YES!!

For many decades, the whole idea of phsycology was considered a "Jewish" science.
Title: Re: Incest
Post by: Sarah on November 12, 2007, 05:16:49 PM
Was he Jewish?
Freud? YES!!

For many decades, the whole idea of phsycology was considered a "Jewish" science.

What do you think of psychology?
Title: Re: Incest
Post by: Vito on November 12, 2007, 05:19:47 PM
Was he Jewish?
Freud? YES!!

For many decades, the whole idea of phsycology was considered a "Jewish" science.

An extreme self-hating Jew - "vile peace of excriment" as Chaim put it.
Title: Re: Incest
Post by: newman on November 12, 2007, 05:22:00 PM
Was he Jewish?
Freud? YES!!

For many decades, the whole idea of phsycology was considered a "Jewish" science.

What do you think of psychology?

A lot of it is crap. It's led to a demise of the Judaic/christian concept of peronal, moral responsibility.

In days gone by when somebody killed someone else for their purse they were considered responsible for their own actions and punished. Now they are considered a victim of mental disorder because their parents didn't by them a pony when they were 10!

Some aspects of the science such as seriel killer study have proved correct, but many aspects of phsycology are just stupid.