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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Sarah on November 21, 2007, 04:33:39 PM
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(http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/2/24/AlDurrah1.jpg)
How about Rachel Corrie?
(http://img.scoop.co.nz/stories/images/0303/4579116b15fa1eccdf9a.jpeg)
(http://www.ecn.org/eterotopia/img/rachel5.jpg)
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No ones heard of her?
A play based on her diary entries called "My name is Rachel Corrie", was banned in America.
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Wasn't she the anti-Semite leftist that tried to protect terrorist and she was killed by the IDF?
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#1. Proven fake.
#2. ;D She got what she deserved.
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Subsequent investigation revealed it was NOT the IDF deliberately shooting at that kid and his terrorist father.
Who's in the bottom pic?
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Rachel Cory, she was an Anarchist who went to Israel to protect terrorists, the IDF unintentionally but hilariously killed her when they destroyed the home of a Arab who had murdered Jews. She was hiding in the house and the driver of the bulldozer couldnt see her ;D
As for Al Dura, that was an obvious forgery on the part of the Fakestinians http://www.seconddraft.org/movies.php (http://www.seconddraft.org/movies.php) though I wouldnt care if the IDF had intentionally killed him, as ruthless violence is the only things Arabs/Muslims understand; see Jewish hero David Raziel for proof of that.
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Oh her!
Bugger Rachel Corrie!!
She was an active supporter of evil and terrorism. Serves her right.
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Look at you guys.
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Look at you guys.
Huh?
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Look at you guys.
Elaborate...
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#1. Proven fake.
#2. ;D She got what she deserved.
True O0
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Elaborate.........
You all so far have a very one sided view on her story. All on the basis that Arabs are evil, and she deserved it. Anything else?
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Elaborate.........
You all so far have a very one sided view on her story. All on the basis that Arabs are evil, and she deserved it. Anything else?
She was defending terrorists that the IDF had to kill. They didn't mean to or want to kill her, but if you are going to protect terrorists sh!t happens. She deserved it too for protecting terrorist.
Sarah, are you implying that there is any justification for her actions?
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Elaborate.........
You all so far have a very one sided view on her story. All on the basis that Arabs are evil, and she deserved it. Anything else?
I will speak truly. When somebody is joining muslimes and fight against the free West, i am totally indifferent, when he or she is killed. In this cases I am really a nihilist. :)
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Elaborate.........
You all so far have a very one sided view on her story. All on the basis that Arabs are evil, and she deserved it. Anything else?
What other side?
Fact:
She supported terrorists and she died. Israel demolishes houses in response to terrorism. She was in the house.
What are the terrorists if not arabs? Eskimos??
Sarah,
Every week in the paper you hear about girls running around with a gang of boys who steal cars and then get killed in a high speed chase. A tradgedy? Yes. But it's their own fault.
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Yup more Arab Muslim fabrications with France's communists against Israel and the Jews. You should go to Www.HonestReporting.Com and watch the video and read the articles.
You cannot trust these parasite Muslim savages. Propaganda to the levels that exceed Joseph Goebbles. Hitler would be proud of these vermin....
VIDEO: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWQcRd_Mg60
http://www.honestreporting.ca/English/67834.html
Debunking Al-Dura
November 20, 2007
By: Mike Fegelman
Dear HonestReporting Canada subscriber:
Dubbed as Palestinian street theatre and the new face of Pallywood, the saga of Mohammed al-Dura continues in a Paris courtroom and illustrates the devastating power that images can have.
Still celebrated as a “martyr” in the Arab streets and referenced by Osama Bin Laden following the 9/11 terror attacks, the image of Mohammed Al-Dura resonates as both infamous and iconic, and one of the worst modern blood libels waged against Israel.
Yet despite the overwhelming evidence that Israel was not responsible for firing the bullets that hit al-Dura, and incredulity as to the credibility of the footage taken from the scene by France 2, this vicious slander continues unabated.
National Post Exposes "L'affaire Al-Dura"
To their credit, the National Post and columnist David Frum were the first and only Canadian news media to address “L’affaire Al-Dura”. Frum's column explores the trial of Phillipe Karsenty (founder of the French online media watchdog, Media Ratings, who accused France 2 of staging the Al-Dura ‘killing’) vs. Charles Enderlin (France 2 journalist who subsequently accused Karsenty of defamation).
According to Frum: "I want to tell you about a forgery. The forgers intended to incite hatred against Jews and the state of Israel and to a great extent, they have succeeded. The forgery is a 55-second film clip that purports to show the shooting death of a 12-year-old boy at a Gaza crossroads after a Palestinian irregular attack on an Israeli blockhouse. The clip was broadcast on France's TV 2 on Sept. 30, 2000, and narrated by one of France's best known television journalists, Charles Enderlin... Yet evidence has been gathering for years that the al-Dura shooting was entirely staged:
The 55-seconds are not a continuous sequence, but are made up of six distinct pieces, crudely spliced together.
There is no shot of the boy actually being hit, nor is there any sign of blood. Nor does the father make any move toward his son.
The crowd in the background cries out that the boy is dead before he falls over. Although the boy was supposed to have been hit in the stomach, his hands are shown covering his eyes.
Video of the incident taken by other photographers shows passersby walking unconcernedly between the crouching al-Duras and the Israeli post from which the bullets were supposedly fired.
Although TV2 claims to have 27 minutes of raw footage of the shooting, it has persistently refused to make the footage available to the public. Even now, with the matter in litigation, TV2 has failed to provide the courts with the raw material from which its broadcast clip was assembled."
Canadian Media Disseminated Dubious Dura Footage:
Like the broader international media, Canadian reporters and news organizations gave substantial news coverage to the Al-Dura affair seven years ago.
While some media outlets gave prominence to the story and featured original news coverage, content and commentary, other media outlets replicated wire stories, photos, and opinion pieces, spreading this forgery to a Canadian audience from coast-to-coast.
HonestReporting.com, in association with Take-A-Pen, has been reporting directly from the Paris courtroom featuring interviews and analysis from some of the leading experts on the dubious Dura footage. Watch exclusive reaction from some of these experts at the Paris courtroom by clicking below:
On Feb. 27, 2008 a French appellate court is set to rule on whether to uphold or overturn a French court’s ruling of slander against Karsenty. With respect to the outcome, HonestReporting Canada will continue to be on the frontlines keeping you updated.
How You Can Make a Difference:
1. Commend the National Post for being the only Canadian media outlet to acknowledge the trial and to educate its readers about this modern blood libel. To contact the Post send letters to: [email protected]
Pointers for contacting the media: To be considered for publication, letters should include sender's name and contact information for verification purposes. Contact us at [email protected] to tell us you took action.
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Oh her!
Bugger Rachel Corrie!!
She was an active supporter of evil and terrorism. Serves her right.
She was a Nazi who thank G-d is now burning in Gehenom. She disgraced her Jewish name.
She was'nt Jewish
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But her name was Jewish. She stole a Jewish name.
Oh i thought you meant she was Jewish
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People should stop assuming that every scumm is Jewish ::) . I hate the fact that Jews are allways looked down upon and made to look like scumm which isnt really true with most Jews.
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Sarah, the whole purpose of the International Solidarity Movement is to interfere with and obstruct the activities of the IDF.
Here's more background on them:
http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/groupProfile.asp?grpid=6233
Also, the reason the IDF destroys the homes of Arab terrorists is because underneath them are frequently tunnels going into Egypt, from which arms are smuggled into Judea, Samaria and Gaza. Also, many of these IDF people are coached by terrorists, and they dress up as settlers with AK-47's to fool Israelis.
That hateful Nazi Rachel Corrie was acting as a human shield, trying to interfere with the IDF, and she got what she deserved.
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The chomskys and shapiros of the world only flaunt their Jewish ethnicity to help them destroy Jewery. 'Scum' is right!
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But her name was Jewish. She stole a Jewish name.
If her parents named her, how could she 'steal' a Jewish name?
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As for Al Dura, that was an obvious forgery on the part of the Fakestinians http://www.seconddraft.org/movies.php (http://www.seconddraft.org/movies.php) though I wouldnt care if the IDF had intentionally killed him, as ruthless violence is the only things Arabs/Muslims understand; see Jewish hero David Raziel for proof of that.
I would have been more than happy to kill them both.
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This is a MUCH better picture of saint pancake.....
Look at how peacefulshe looks
(http://zioneocon.blogspot.com/rachel%20corrie%202.jpg)
I guess that at least all those kids she was teaching to hate America learned a valuable lesson...dont stand in front of bulldozers ::)
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rachel corrie: Catepillar's biggest fan!!!! I LOVE the Saint Pancake line!!
She was warned to leave...
The whole al-Dura thing is sad :(
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She must have been suffering from mental illness.
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That group is another one of those damn Communist front groups. Good post Kelly... If anyone wishes a good read, pick up Claire Stirlings "The Terror Network". This fabulous work connects and displays the historical ties and links the Communists had and still have to the Islamic terrorist groups: PLFP, PLO, FATAH, Badar Meiroff Gang, Japanese Red Army, Cuban, Santanistas, Carlos the Jackel and many others. A very good read....
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That group is another one of those damn Communist front groups. Good post Kelly... If anyone wishes a good read, pick up Claire Stirlings "The Terror Network". This fabulous work connects and displays the historical ties and links the Communists had and still have to the Islamic terrorist groups: PLFP, PLO, FATAH, Badar Meiroff Gang, Japanese Red Army, Cuban, Santanistas, Carlos the Jackel and many others. A very good read....
Thanks, youre right the ISM is a terrorist organization
(http://www.moonbattery.com/archives/Corrie-window.jpg)
St Pancake...supporting terrorists can leave you feeling kinda flat ;)
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The OTHER Rachels: They deserve to be heard, not like the American TRAITOR rachel corrie! Who is paying for her treachery and who was an animal!!!
WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THESE PICTURES????
(http://wanderingjew.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/rachels.jpg)
1. My Name is Rachel Levy (Israeli girl age 17, blown up in a grocery store)
2. My Name is Rachel Thaler (Israeli girl aged 16, blown up in a pizzeria)
3. My Name is Rachel Levi (Israeli girl aged 19, murdered while waiting for the bus)
4. My Name is Rachel Gavish (killed with her husband and son while at home)
5. My Name is Rachel Charhi (blown up while sitting in a cafe)
6. My Name is Rachel Shabo (murdered with her three sons aged 5, 13 and 6 while sitting at home)
It would be interesting knowing how many of THESE Rachels were murdered with explosives smuggled in through the same tunnels that Rachel Corrie and her ISM pro-terrorist friends were "defending"!
(from: http://wanderingjew.typepad.com/the_wandering_jew/2005/04/the_other_rache.html (http://wanderingjew.typepad.com/the_wandering_jew/2005/04/the_other_rache.html))
These are all beautiful Rachels, all innocent victims of islam :(
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well, "you guys" certainly covered all arguments!
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(http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/2/24/AlDurrah1.jpg)
How about Rachel Corrie?
(http://img.scoop.co.nz/stories/images/0303/4579116b15fa1eccdf9a.jpeg)
(http://www.ecn.org/eterotopia/img/rachel5.jpg)
Well I don't know who they are and don't really care by the reading of the other posts here.
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I just remembered, rachel Corrie's parents were suing Caterpillar, naming them one of the parties in their lawsuit.
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This is a MUCH better picture of saint pancake.....
Look at how peacefulshe looks
(http://zioneocon.blogspot.com/rachel%20corrie%202.jpg)
I guess that at least all those kids she was teaching to hate America learned a valuable lesson...dont stand in front of bulldozers ::)
Perhaps she is converted to Islam. This beast is wearing a Hijab >:(
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Rachel Cory, she was an Anarchist who went to Israel to protect terrorists, the IDF unintentionally but hilariously killed her when they destroyed the home of a Arab who had murdered Jews. She was hiding in the house and the driver of the bulldozer couldnt see her ;D
As for Al Dura, that was an obvious forgery on the part of the Fakestinians http://www.seconddraft.org/movies.php (http://www.seconddraft.org/movies.php) though I wouldnt care if the IDF had intentionally killed him, as ruthless violence is the only things Arabs/Muslims understand; see Jewish hero David Raziel for proof of that.
She wasn't hiding in the house. She was standing outside in front of the bulldozer and was run over when the driver didn't see her. The International "Solidarity" Movement tried to claim that the driver deliberately ran her over which was complete bull. They tried to use Rachel Corrie as a political football and make it look like the IDF murdered her. In my view, it was the ISM that was responsible for murdering her by brainwashing her to engage in such crazy and suicidal actions.
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But her name was Jewish. She stole a Jewish name.
How can she steal a Jewish name when it was her parents that named her?
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This is a MUCH better picture of saint pancake.....
Look at how peacefulshe looks
(http://zioneocon.blogspot.com/rachel%20corrie%202.jpg)
I guess that at least all those kids she was teaching to hate America learned a valuable lesson...dont stand in front of bulldozers ::)
Perhaps she is converted to Islam. This beast is wearing a Hijab >:(
I think the death by bulldozer was tame in comparison to what I would have liked to see happen to her (and people like her).
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Some more
'harmless' little ISM 'protesters' ISM terrorists.
But here’s the corker I sent the Swedish ambassador. In my last feature article about the ISM, one of my volunteers went into the West Bank with ISM activist leaders for a day trip to Jericho prison. While there, he photographed his ISM buddies waving around AK-47 assault rifles in the presence of an Al-Aksa Martyrs Brigade terrorist. One of those ISM leaders is a Swedish national named Gabrielle, “Gabi” for short. What’s more, she was disguised as a Jewish settler woman when the photos were taken. Gabrielle is now living in Cork, Ireland with her ISM activist Irish husband, Dave, also photographed with a gun in the same photos.
Gabi, Swedish ISMer (see here - ed.)
(http://aycu17.webshots.com/image/33176/2000374526420706821_rs.jpg) (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2000374526420706821)
(http://aycu10.webshots.com/image/35649/2000390351194070133_rs.jpg) (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2000390351194070133)
http://www.israellycool.com/2006/11/
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I just remembered, rachel Corrie's parents were suing Caterpillar, naming them one of the parties in their lawsuit.
;D It will never fly in court!!
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she got what she deserved, that's what happens when you protect islamic nazi terrorists and call for the destruction of israel. A traitor nonetheless.
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It's too bad it couldn't happen to more of these bastards......
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If when Britain was fighting Germany, some british person went over to Germany to march with them, or even to help their wounded. And she was killed accidentally.
Then the news in britain would have had anything between antipathy and glee. Infact, she would probably have been murdered along with the german civilians that were bombed.
Rachel Corrie was no "do gooder". I did not know that Rachell Corrie was as bad as this!! Thanks for this thread, and the pictures of Rachel Corrie and the pictures and description exposing the evil ISM.
This was certainly censored by the MSM (mainstream media)
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Elaborate.........
You all so far have a very one sided view on her story. All on the basis that Arabs are evil, and she deserved it. Anything else?
Are you kidding ? Morons that defence on terrorits and stand in a middle of a crossfire shouldn't be suprised when they get killed because of their stupidity.
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It's too bad it couldn't happen to more of these bastards......
That would be funny. ;D
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Elaborate.........
You all so far have a very one sided view on her story. All on the basis that Arabs are evil, and she deserved it. Anything else?
You are a closed minded fool period, end, full stop. YOUR first photo is one of that SHAM at Al-Durah. How do you expect us to respond? How long have you been on this site? How many posts have you posted and this is the type of comment you give? I'll post this again JUST FOR YOU so you can read and both consider your comment and to gain some needed education. That Islamic school you say you attend has rotted, or is rotting your brain!
Yup more Arab Muslim fabrications with France's communists against Israel and the Jews. You should go to Www.HonestReporting.Com and watch the video and read the articles.
You cannot trust these parasite Muslim savages. Propaganda to the levels that exceed Joseph Goebbel's. Hitler would be proud of these vermin....
VIDEO: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWQcRd_Mg60
http://www.honestreporting.ca/English/67834.html
Debunking Al-Dura
November 20, 2007
By: Mike Fegelman
Dear HonestReporting Canada subscriber:
Dubbed as PLO/Hamas Arab Muslim Nazi street theatre and the new face of Pallywood, the saga of Mohammed al-Dura continues in a Paris courtroom and illustrates the devastating power that images can have.
Still celebrated as a “martyr” in the Arab streets and referenced by Osama Bin Laden following the 9/11 terror attacks, the image of Mohammed Al-Dura resonates as both infamous and iconic, and one of the worst modern blood libels waged against Israel.
Yet despite the overwhelming evidence that Israel was not responsible for firing the bullets that hit al-Dura, and incredulity as to the credibility of the footage taken from the scene by France 2, this vicious slander continues unabated.
National Post Exposes "L'affaire Al-Dura"
To their credit, the National Post and columnist David Frum were the first and only Canadian news media to address “L’affaire Al-Dura”. Frum's column explores the trial of Phillipe Karsenty (founder of the French online media watchdog, Media Ratings, who accused France 2 of staging the Al-Dura ‘killing’) vs. Charles Enderlin (France 2 journalist who subsequently accused Karsenty of defamation).
According to Frum: "I want to tell you about a forgery. The forgers intended to incite hatred against Jews and the state of Israel and to a great extent, they have succeeded. The forgery is a 55-second film clip that purports to show the shooting death of a 12-year-old boy at a Gaza crossroads after a Bolistinian irregular attack on an Israeli blockhouse. The clip was broadcast on France's TV 2 on Sept. 30, 2000, and narrated by one of France's best known television journalists, Charles Enderlin... Yet evidence has been gathering for years that the al-Dura shooting was entirely staged:
The 55-seconds are not a continuous sequence, but are made up of six distinct pieces, crudely spliced together.
There is no shot of the boy actually being hit, nor is there any sign of blood. Nor does the father make any move toward his son.
The crowd in the background cries out that the boy is dead before he falls over. Although the boy was supposed to have been hit in the stomach, his hands are shown covering his eyes.
Video of the incident taken by other photographers shows passersby walking unconcernedly between the crouching al-Duras and the Israeli post from which the bullets were supposedly fired.
Although TV2 claims to have 27 minutes of raw footage of the shooting, it has persistently refused to make the footage available to the public. Even now, with the matter in litigation, TV2 has failed to provide the courts with the raw material from which its broadcast clip was assembled."
Canadian Media Disseminated Dubious Dura Footage:
Like the broader international media, Canadian reporters and news organizations gave substantial news coverage to the Al-Dura affair seven years ago.
While some media outlets gave prominence to the story and featured original news coverage, content and commentary, other media outlets replicated wire stories, photos, and opinion pieces, spreading this forgery to a Canadian audience from coast-to-coast.
HonestReporting.com, in association with Take-A-Pen, has been reporting directly from the Paris courtroom featuring interviews and analysis from some of the leading experts on the dubious Dura footage. Watch exclusive reaction from some of these experts at the Paris courtroom by clicking below:
On Feb. 27, 2008 a French appellate court is set to rule on whether to uphold or overturn a French court’s ruling of slander against Karsenty. With respect to the outcome, HonestReporting Canada will continue to be on the frontlines keeping you updated.
How You Can Make a Difference:
1. Commend the National Post for being the only Canadian media outlet to acknowledge the trial and to educate its readers about this modern blood libel. To contact the Post send letters to: [email protected]
Pointers for contacting the media: To be considered for publication, letters should include sender's name and contact information for verification purposes. Contact us at [email protected] to tell us you took action.
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You are a closed minded fool period, end, full stop. YOUR first photo is one of that SHAM at Al-Durah. How do you expect us to respond? How long have you been on this site? How many posts have you posted and this is the type of comment you give? I'll post this again JUST FOR YOU so you can read and both consider your comment and to gain some needed education. That Islamic school you say you attend has rotted, or is rotting your brain!
Yup more Arab Muslim fabrications with France's communists against Israel and the Jews. You should go to Www.HonestReporting.Com and watch the video and read the articles.
You cannot trust these parasite Muslim savages. Propaganda to the levels that exceed Joseph Goebbel's. Hitler would be proud of these vermin....
VIDEO: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWQcRd_Mg60
http://www.honestreporting.ca/English/67834.html
Debunking Al-Dura
November 20, 2007
By: Mike Fegelman
Dear HonestReporting Canada subscriber:
Dubbed as PLO/Hamas Arab Muslim Nazi street theatre and the new face of Pallywood, the saga of Mohammed al-Dura continues in a Paris courtroom and illustrates the devastating power that images can have.
Still celebrated as a “martyr†in the Arab streets and referenced by Osama Bin Laden following the 9/11 terror attacks, the image of Mohammed Al-Dura resonates as both infamous and iconic, and one of the worst modern blood libels waged against Israel.
Yet despite the overwhelming evidence that Israel was not responsible for firing the bullets that hit al-Dura, and incredulity as to the credibility of the footage taken from the scene by France 2, this vicious slander continues unabated.
National Post Exposes "L'affaire Al-Dura"
To their credit, the National Post and columnist David Frum were the first and only Canadian news media to address “L’affaire Al-Duraâ€. Frum's column explores the trial of Phillipe Karsenty (founder of the French online media watchdog, Media Ratings, who accused France 2 of staging the Al-Dura ‘killing’) vs. Charles Enderlin (France 2 journalist who subsequently accused Karsenty of defamation).
According to Frum: "I want to tell you about a forgery. The forgers intended to incite hatred against Jews and the state of Israel and to a great extent, they have succeeded. The forgery is a 55-second film clip that purports to show the shooting death of a 12-year-old boy at a Gaza crossroads after a Bolistinian irregular attack on an Israeli blockhouse. The clip was broadcast on France's TV 2 on Sept. 30, 2000, and narrated by one of France's best known television journalists, Charles Enderlin... Yet evidence has been gathering for years that the al-Dura shooting was entirely staged:
The 55-seconds are not a continuous sequence, but are made up of six distinct pieces, crudely spliced together.
There is no shot of the boy actually being hit, nor is there any sign of blood. Nor does the father make any move toward his son.
The crowd in the background cries out that the boy is dead before he falls over. Although the boy was supposed to have been hit in the stomach, his hands are shown covering his eyes.
Video of the incident taken by other photographers shows passersby walking unconcernedly between the crouching al-Duras and the Israeli post from which the bullets were supposedly fired.
Although TV2 claims to have 27 minutes of raw footage of the shooting, it has persistently refused to make the footage available to the public. Even now, with the matter in litigation, TV2 has failed to provide the courts with the raw material from which its broadcast clip was assembled."
Canadian Media Disseminated Dubious Dura Footage:
Like the broader international media, Canadian reporters and news organizations gave substantial news coverage to the Al-Dura affair seven years ago.
While some media outlets gave prominence to the story and featured original news coverage, content and commentary, other media outlets replicated wire stories, photos, and opinion pieces, spreading this forgery to a Canadian audience from coast-to-coast.
HonestReporting.com, in association with Take-A-Pen, has been reporting directly from the Paris courtroom featuring interviews and analysis from some of the leading experts on the dubious Dura footage. Watch exclusive reaction from some of these experts at the Paris courtroom by clicking below:
On Feb. 27, 2008 a French appellate court is set to rule on whether to uphold or overturn a French court’s ruling of slander against Karsenty. With respect to the outcome, HonestReporting Canada will continue to be on the frontlines keeping you updated.
How You Can Make a Difference:
1. Commend the National Post for being the only Canadian media outlet to acknowledge the trial and to educate its readers about this modern blood libel. To contact the Post send letters to: [email protected]
Pointers for contacting the media: To be considered for publication, letters should include sender's name and contact information for verification purposes. Contact us at [email protected] to tell us you took action.
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I didnt care for that first picture of al dura....here are a couple that are MUCH better and TRUTHFUL
(http://www.guysen.com/photos/p90_al_dura_misescene1.jpg)
(http://www.gentiuno.com/articulos/articulo2081/imagenes/aldura10.jpg)
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Great pictures.
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Elaborate.........
You all so far have a very one sided view on her story. All on the basis that Arabs are evil, and she deserved it. Anything else?
You are a closed minded fool period, end, full stop. YOUR first photo is one of that SHAM at Al-Durah. How do you expect us to respond? How long have you been on this site? How many posts have you posted and this is the type of comment you give? I'll post this again JUST FOR YOU so you can read and both consider your comment and to gain some needed education. That Islamic school you say you attend has rotted, or is rotting your brain!
Yup more Arab Muslim fabrications with France's communists against Israel and the Jews. You should go to Www.HonestReporting.Com and watch the video and read the articles.
You cannot trust these parasite Muslim savages. Propaganda to the levels that exceed Joseph Goebbel's. Hitler would be proud of these vermin....
VIDEO: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWQcRd_Mg60
http://www.honestreporting.ca/English/67834.html
Debunking Al-Dura
November 20, 2007
By: Mike Fegelman
Dear HonestReporting Canada subscriber:
Dubbed as PLO/Hamas Arab Muslim Nazi street theatre and the new face of Pallywood, the saga of Mohammed al-Dura continues in a Paris courtroom and illustrates the devastating power that images can have.
Still celebrated as a “martyr” in the Arab streets and referenced by Osama Bin Laden following the 9/11 terror attacks, the image of Mohammed Al-Dura resonates as both infamous and iconic, and one of the worst modern blood libels waged against Israel.
Yet despite the overwhelming evidence that Israel was not responsible for firing the bullets that hit al-Dura, and incredulity as to the credibility of the footage taken from the scene by France 2, this vicious slander continues unabated.
National Post Exposes "L'affaire Al-Dura"
To their credit, the National Post and columnist David Frum were the first and only Canadian news media to address “L’affaire Al-Dura”. Frum's column explores the trial of Phillipe Karsenty (founder of the French online media watchdog, Media Ratings, who accused France 2 of staging the Al-Dura ‘killing’) vs. Charles Enderlin (France 2 journalist who subsequently accused Karsenty of defamation).
According to Frum: "I want to tell you about a forgery. The forgers intended to incite hatred against Jews and the state of Israel and to a great extent, they have succeeded. The forgery is a 55-second film clip that purports to show the shooting death of a 12-year-old boy at a Gaza crossroads after a Bolistinian irregular attack on an Israeli blockhouse. The clip was broadcast on France's TV 2 on Sept. 30, 2000, and narrated by one of France's best known television journalists, Charles Enderlin... Yet evidence has been gathering for years that the al-Dura shooting was entirely staged:
The 55-seconds are not a continuous sequence, but are made up of six distinct pieces, crudely spliced together.
There is no shot of the boy actually being hit, nor is there any sign of blood. Nor does the father make any move toward his son.
The crowd in the background cries out that the boy is dead before he falls over. Although the boy was supposed to have been hit in the stomach, his hands are shown covering his eyes.
Video of the incident taken by other photographers shows passersby walking unconcernedly between the crouching al-Duras and the Israeli post from which the bullets were supposedly fired.
Although TV2 claims to have 27 minutes of raw footage of the shooting, it has persistently refused to make the footage available to the public. Even now, with the matter in litigation, TV2 has failed to provide the courts with the raw material from which its broadcast clip was assembled."
Canadian Media Disseminated Dubious Dura Footage:
Like the broader international media, Canadian reporters and news organizations gave substantial news coverage to the Al-Dura affair seven years ago.
While some media outlets gave prominence to the story and featured original news coverage, content and commentary, other media outlets replicated wire stories, photos, and opinion pieces, spreading this forgery to a Canadian audience from coast-to-coast.
HonestReporting.com, in association with Take-A-Pen, has been reporting directly from the Paris courtroom featuring interviews and analysis from some of the leading experts on the dubious Dura footage. Watch exclusive reaction from some of these experts at the Paris courtroom by clicking below:
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I DIDN'T EVEN COMMENT ON THE PHOTOS MYSELF. I DON'T HAVE AN OPINION ON RACHEL CORRIE AND I'VE READ A LOT OF ARTICLES EXPLAINING HOW MOHAMMED AL-DURA WAS KILLED BY ARAB MILITANTS.
YOU DO HAVE A ONE-SIDED VIEW, BECAUSE I HAVE HEARD OTHER OPPOSING VIEWS. LOGICALLY YOU HAVE ONE OPINION ON RACHEL CORRIE AND HER DEATH. I never said whether it were right or wrong.
When I said "Anything else?" I wasn't being sarcastic. I meant it.
I don't know whats wrong with you. Everything I say you twist, and i'm not a fool either.
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Sarah, there are two sides to any argument but only ONE truth.
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Sarah, there are two sides to any argument but only ONE truth.
Yeah. I wanted to know the people on JTF's view since we'd been talking about her in class.
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Sarah, there are two sides to any argument but only ONE truth.
Yeah. I wanted to know the people on JTF's view since we'd been talking about her in class.
I understand that. I did tell 2 other posters by PM that you were only provoking discussion, not putting a pro-ISM POV.
Maybe I should have posted that.
I'll bet the version you got in class in an outrageous anti-Israel blood libel, though.
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Sarah, there are two sides to any argument but only ONE truth.
Yeah. I wanted to know the people on JTF's view since we'd been talking about her in class.
I understand that. I did tell 2 other posters by PM that you were only provoking discussion, not putting a pro-ISM POV.
Maybe I should have posted that.
I'll bet the version you got in class in an outrageous anti-Israel blood libel, though.
No.
Our form tutor wanted us to stage the play about her at school. She said it was a moving story that should be supported.
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Sarah, there are two sides to any argument but only ONE truth.
Yeah. I wanted to know the people on JTF's view since we'd been talking about her in class.
I understand that. I did tell 2 other posters by PM that you were only provoking discussion, not putting a pro-ISM POV.
Maybe I should have posted that.
I'll bet the version you got in class in an outrageous anti-Israel blood libel, though.
No.
Our form tutor wanted us to stage the play about her at school. She said it was a moving story that should be supported.
Meaning sympathetic to the ISM, anti-Israel cause, obviously.
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Sarah, there are two sides to any argument but only ONE truth.
Yeah. I wanted to know the people on JTF's view since we'd been talking about her in class.
I understand that. I did tell 2 other posters by PM that you were only provoking discussion, not putting a pro-ISM POV.
Maybe I should have posted that.
I'll bet the version you got in class in an outrageous anti-Israel blood libel, though.
No.
Our form tutor wanted us to stage the play about her at school. She said it was a moving story that should be supported.
Makes we want to vomit.
But then I laugh when I think of how she got squashed... ;D
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(http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/2/24/AlDurrah1.jpg)
This picture shows a kidnapper A-rab punching a little kid in the stomach so he can't tip off the police.
Rachel Corrie is so stupid that she jumped in front of a Caterpillar Tractor screaming "KILL ME!"..."KILL ME!".
Typical spoiled American brat with a "messianic complex". Of course, back home in the States, she avoided all non-whites and didn't care a whit about the impoverished neighborhoods within a mile or two of her home. I'm sure she thought she was having a great "vacation" at the "summer camp" where she could have sex with big hairy PLO murderers who only considered her another American whore. No telling what fantasies flew through her demented brain...mailing photos back home to her "International Solidarity Nazis" showing her screaming "Death to Zionists"..."End the Occupation". Good riddance to bad rubbish.
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Good post MassuhD and fabulous pictures Kelly. Sarah, you are obtuse! You posted these photos with no explanation as per why..... Just the title "What do you make of these photos" and later on telling people here "You all so far have a very one sided view on her story. All on the basis that Arabs are evil, and she deserved it. Anything else?" Which indicates you have already made up your mind by judging us as "all very one sided"...
Then you post: I DIDN'T EVEN COMMENT ON THE PHOTOS MYSELF. I DON'T HAVE AN OPINION ON RACHEL CORRIE AND I'VE READ A LOT OF ARTICLES EXPLAINING HOW MOHAMMED AL-DURA WAS KILLED BY ARAB MILITANTS.
YOU DO HAVE A ONE-SIDED VIEW, BECAUSE I HAVE HEARD OTHER OPPOSING VIEWS. LOGICALLY YOU HAVE ONE OPINION ON RACHEL CORRIE AND HER DEATH. I never said whether it were right or wrong.
When I said "Anything else?" I wasn't being sarcastic. I meant it.
I don't know whats wrong with you. Everything I say you twist, and i'm not a fool either.
Sorry to "offend" anyone on this forum BUT come on? You think WE ALL HERE have only heard and considered ONE side? Are you for real? Of course YOU heard opposing views, your a MUSLIM....YOU go to a MUSLIM SCHOOL....of course you have, like all others on this planet that watch anti-Israel mainstream media.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with me. Nothing whatsoever. You post pics with the title "What to you make of these photos"....you mentioned nothing about your school...nothing about discussing them only making the aforementioned comment.
In your opinion, with referance from your post, are the Muslim-Arabs murdering, raping, robbing, looting, stabbing, bombing and speading massive amounts of baseless propaganda against Israel and the West
A. Militants
B. Terrorists
C. "P lestinian" Freedom Fighters
D. Progressive thinking peace activists?
???
Perhaps you might actually read the article, go to the Honest Reporting website and research for yourself instead of making such an inept and baseless comment. Remember the VERY first message you sent me when I told YOU to keep an OPEN mind and research for FACTS.... I guess that bit didn't sink in either?
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I recall at the time. The Israeli Government said that Al Dura was killed in crossfire. And he should not have been there.
I read online that there was an israeli investigation, I read that concluded that Al Dura could not have
been killed by israeli soldiers (the obvious implication being that he was killed by palestinians).
Masada2000 site used to have more pictures. From The angle the israelis were shooting from, to the boy. There was a strong metal barrel in between. The big proof is that the bullet angle - seen from the bullet hole - came from the palestinian position. Not the israeli one. Also, the father is seen shouting in their direction. As if to say "no".
The Israeli Government knew about the results of the investigation, but did not publicise that for obvious reasons (they are leftist, and knew it would damaage the peace process / land for peace process)
New evidence now is that Al Dura may not even be dead.
extract from
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3455496,00.html
The arguments were based on investigations that showed that the angles of the IDF troops' fire could not have hit the child or his father, that part of the filmed material, mainly the moment of the boy's alleged death, is missing, and the fact that the cameraman can be heard saying the boy is dead while the boy is still seen moving.
What kids should realise. Is that the pictures of Al Dura were PLASTERED all over newspapers . The al dura news was not to lament the death of a little boy that died in a tragic accident. But to demonise Israel. Make Israel out to be [intentional[ child killers (and targetting children). e.t.c.
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Yes q_q_ absolutely. I remember reading that. Good post O0
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But her name was Jewish. She stole a Jewish name.
Aren't the parents responsible for choosing the name?
Aren't Gentiles allowed to have biblical /Jewish names?
Anyway, she is a victim of left -wing indoctrination, OK she had a free will and chose to do this acts, but i find the media /society / family,... responsible for this.
there is no need to go to the arabs/ africans.
HELP THE POOR PEOPLE IN YOUR OWN COUNTRY OR CITY !!!!!!!!!!!!!
In a normal country she would have had children , a family, instead of going to stick her nose in business not of her own!
So : why doesn't Israel kill all journalists on the westbank & Gaza??
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Then you post: I DIDN'T EVEN COMMENT ON THE PHOTOS MYSELF. I DON'T HAVE AN OPINION ON RACHEL CORRIE
Youre so right Mar, we all know that corrie is the closest thing islam has to a saint, they adore her.
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Elaborate.........
You all so far have a very one sided view on her story. All on the basis that Arabs are evil, and she deserved it. Anything else?
Sarah, I am trying very hard not to call you a troll, but don't know why. It sure looks to me like your true colors have come out.
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(http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/2/24/AlDurrah1.jpg)
This picture shows a kidnapper A-rab punching a little kid in the stomach so he can't tip off the police.
Rachel Corrie is so stupid that she jumped in front of a Caterpillar Tractor screaming "KILL ME!"..."KILL ME!".
Typical spoiled American brat with a "messianic complex". Of course, back home in the States, she avoided all non-whites and didn't care a whit about the impoverished neighborhoods within a mile or two of her home. I'm sure she thought she was having a great "vacation" at the "summer camp" where she could have sex with big hairy PLO murderers who only considered her another American whore. No telling what fantasies flew through her demented brain...mailing photos back home to her "International Solidarity Nazis" showing her screaming "Death to Zionists"..."End the Occupation". Good riddance to bad rubbish.
;D ;D ;D
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Oh, and one more thing Sarah, this BS about the Rachel Nazi Corrie play being banned in America is a complete lie. You know full well we don't have censorship. Gimme a break--I know you can't seriously believe that. ::)
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Elaborate.........
You all so far have a very one sided view on her story. All on the basis that Arabs are evil, and she deserved it. Anything else?
Sarah, I am trying very hard not to call you a troll, but don't know why. It sure looks to me like your true colors have come out.
I don't think Sarah is trolling here. She is simply taking a picture which is probably used for propaganda purposes by our enemies, and she is curious as to how we would respond to this. It's not an unreasonable thing to do. A couple of months ago, I was debating with these Nazi posters from one of Weltner's videos where some of the posters were claiming there were documents stating that the concentration camps weren't in such bad shape. I posted a question on here about those documents. I wasn't doing it to troll. I was doing it to get ammo from our side to fire back at the opposition. I think it's very possible that Sarah is doing the same type of thing here.
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Elaborate.........
You all so far have a very one sided view on her story. All on the basis that Arabs are evil, and she deserved it. Anything else?
Sarah, I am trying very hard not to call you a troll, but don't know why. It sure looks to me like your true colors have come out.
I don't think Sarah is trolling here. She is simply taking a picture which is probably used for propaganda purposes by our enemies, and she is curious as to how we would respond to this. It's not an unreasonable thing to do. A couple of months ago, I was debating with these Nazi posters from one of Weltner's videos where some of the posters were claiming there were documents stating that the concentration camps weren't in such bad shape. I posted a question on here about those documents. I wasn't doing it to troll. I was doing it to get ammo from our side to fire back at the opposition. I think it's very possible that Sarah is doing the same type of thing here.
I am sure that when you asked here about concentration camps , you explained your intention and were careful and polite.
At best, sarah is saying there are 2 sides to every argument and she is not taking sides. That means she sympathises with the "palestinian" side.
And the palestinian side, in this example, is a disgusting girl, and a boy whome evidence is that he was murdered by by arabs. Anyhow, these 2 examples do not portray typical palestinian casualties, they are exceptional, whitewashed examples, to make Israel look bad. (and even those examples just make them look bad, as arguments here have shown).
Most palestinian "casualties" are gunmen. Infact, it is incredible that there are not more casualties. You have large numbers of them firing at the israeli army for long periods, with only brief breaks / lowerings of intensity!. Any any breaks are if they feel weak. And all the palestinians support them. Chaim quoted polls, if you have 95%, that is as unanimous as you can get in a poll. Probably the 5% ticked the wrong box.
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People don't really care what I think....but they can find out by reading my posts.... ;)
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People don't really care what I think....but they can find out by reading my posts.... ;)
you do good posts, but if everybody kept kept replying to them saying "good post" then the thread would get even longer.
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Oh, and one more thing Sarah, this BS about the Rachel Nazi Corrie play being banned in America is a complete lie. You know full well we don't have censorship. Gimme a break--I know you can't seriously believe that. ::)
Its not "BS". Rachel Corrie play banned in New York:
http://mostlywater.org/node/4246 (http://mostlywater.org/node/4246)
Even in other states i'm sure the theatres banned and didn't allow it to show on their stage.
Sorry to "offend" anyone on this forum BUT come on? You think WE ALL HERE have only heard and considered ONE side? Are you for real? Of course YOU heard opposing views, your a MUSLIM....YOU go to a MUSLIM SCHOOL....of course you have, like all others on this planet that watch anti-Israel mainstream media.
You may have considered two sides, but the fact that you stated an opinion shows that you believe in one.
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Oh, and one more thing Sarah, this BS about the Rachel Nazi Corrie play being banned in America is a complete lie. You know full well we don't have censorship. Gimme a break--I know you can't seriously believe that. ::)
Its not "BS". Rachel Corrie play banned in New York:
http://mostlywater.org/node/4246 (http://mostlywater.org/node/4246)
Even in other states i'm sure the theatres banned and didn't allow it to show on their stage.
Sorry to "offend" anyone on this forum BUT come on? You think WE ALL HERE have only heard and considered ONE side? Are you for real? Of course YOU heard opposing views, your a MUSLIM....YOU go to a MUSLIM SCHOOL....of course you have, like all others on this planet that watch anti-Israel mainstream media.
You may have considered two sides, but the fact that you stated an opinion shows that you believe in one.
And...?
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Oh, and one more thing Sarah, this BS about the Rachel Nazi Corrie play being banned in America is a complete lie. You know full well we don't have censorship. Gimme a break--I know you can't seriously believe that. ::)
Its not "BS". Rachel Corrie play banned in New York:
http://mostlywater.org/node/4246 (http://mostlywater.org/node/4246)
Even in other states i'm sure the theatres banned and didn't allow it to show on their stage.
Sorry to "offend" anyone on this forum BUT come on? You think WE ALL HERE have only heard and considered ONE side? Are you for real? Of course YOU heard opposing views, your a MUSLIM....YOU go to a MUSLIM SCHOOL....of course you have, like all others on this planet that watch anti-Israel mainstream media.
You may have considered two sides, but the fact that you stated an opinion shows that you believe in one.
And...?
Always remember, belief in anything rational is disallowed in Islam.
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Oh, and one more thing Sarah, this BS about the Rachel Nazi Corrie play being banned in America is a complete lie. You know full well we don't have censorship. Gimme a break--I know you can't seriously believe that. ::)
Its not "BS". Rachel Corrie play banned in New York:
http://mostlywater.org/node/4246 (http://mostlywater.org/node/4246)
Even in other states i'm sure the theatres banned and didn't allow it to show on their stage.
Sorry to "offend" anyone on this forum BUT come on? You think WE ALL HERE have only heard and considered ONE side? Are you for real? Of course YOU heard opposing views, your a MUSLIM....YOU go to a MUSLIM SCHOOL....of course you have, like all others on this planet that watch anti-Israel mainstream media.
You may have considered two sides, but the fact that you stated an opinion shows that you believe in one.
And...?
Always remember, belief in anything rational is disallowed in Islam.
Ah yes! Almost forgot - thanks!
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Oh, and one more thing Sarah, this BS about the Rachel Nazi Corrie play being banned in America is a complete lie. You know full well we don't have censorship. Gimme a break--I know you can't seriously believe that. ::)
Its not "BS". Rachel Corrie play banned in New York:
http://mostlywater.org/node/4246 (http://mostlywater.org/node/4246)
Even in other states i'm sure the theatres banned and didn't allow it to show on their stage.
Sorry to "offend" anyone on this forum BUT come on? You think WE ALL HERE have only heard and considered ONE side? Are you for real? Of course YOU heard opposing views, your a MUSLIM....YOU go to a MUSLIM SCHOOL....of course you have, like all others on this planet that watch anti-Israel mainstream media.
You may have considered two sides, but the fact that you stated an opinion shows that you believe in one.
And...?
Was I meant to continue?
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Oh, and one more thing Sarah, this BS about the Rachel Nazi Corrie play being banned in America is a complete lie. You know full well we don't have censorship. Gimme a break--I know you can't seriously believe that. ::)
Its not "BS". Rachel Corrie play banned in New York:
http://mostlywater.org/node/4246 (http://mostlywater.org/node/4246)
Even in other states i'm sure the theatres banned and didn't allow it to show on their stage.
Sorry to "offend" anyone on this forum BUT come on? You think WE ALL HERE have only heard and considered ONE side? Are you for real? Of course YOU heard opposing views, your a MUSLIM....YOU go to a MUSLIM SCHOOL....of course you have, like all others on this planet that watch anti-Israel mainstream media.
You may have considered two sides, but the fact that you stated an opinion shows that you believe in one.
And...?
Always remember, belief in anything rational is disallowed in Islam.
Ah yes! Almost forgot - thanks!
It's easy to do, you'd think a major world religion would allow free thought. Clearly not...
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And if this is so in a Modern world then why do people choose it, to rebel?
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And if this is so in a Modern world then why do people choose it, to rebel?
You. Have. Been. Brainwashed.
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And if this is so in a Modern world then why do people choose it, to rebel?
You. Have. Been. Brainwashed.
I mean it...there are a lot of willing converts and if you say Islam suppresses freedom in thinking then why do people choose to convert in the west when they are living in democracies, that take pride in being "free"
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I DIDN'T EVEN COMMENT ON THE PHOTOS MYSELF. I DON'T HAVE AN OPINION ON RACHEL CORRIE AND I'VE READ A LOT OF ARTICLES EXPLAINING HOW MOHAMMED AL-DURA WAS KILLED BY ARAB MILITANTS.
Arab militants? What's next... freedom fighters?
They are poisening you at that school and you don't even realize it.
Yes, there are two ways to look at EVERY story. Congratulations, we know that.
But there is only one G-d, one Truth and One Bible. You either are for it or against it. Promoting the truth or perverting it. If you tolerate such perversion of the truth and entertain it then you are also helping to promote those lies.
There is no middle ground here about who are the terrorists. Either follow the (real) Bible or make it up as you go along as so many other cultures and religions have tried to do and became dust on the wheels of history.
We have enough people in this world providing "balance" to the little bit of truth that is revealed in this world. In fact the truth is being drowned out and completely overwhelmed. Your relatavistic approach is intellectually pleasing but downright immoral at a time like this and I find it quite sickening.
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Why can't I call them Arab militants?
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Why can't I call them Arab militants?
That is the propoganda term the media uses to confuse the public. They developed the use of this term to avoid calling them what they really are: ARAB TERRORISTS.
Militant is a morally neutral term: and therefore a very immoral word to use to describe this evil.
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Why can't I call them Arab militants?
That is the propoganda term the media uses to confuse the public. They developed the use of this term to avoid calling them what they are and what really are: ARAB TERRORISTS.
No, they are just Muslims.
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I DIDN'T EVEN COMMENT ON THE PHOTOS MYSELF. I DON'T HAVE AN OPINION ON RACHEL CORRIE AND I'VE READ A LOT OF ARTICLES EXPLAINING HOW MOHAMMED AL-DURA WAS KILLED BY ARAB MILITANTS.
Arab militants? What's next... freedom fighters?
They are poisening you at that school and you don't even realize it.
Yes, there are two ways to look at EVERY story. Congratulations, we know that.
But there is only one G-d, one Truth and One Bible. You either are for it or against it. Promoting the truth or perverting it. If you tolerate such perversion of the truth and entertain it then you are also helping to promote those lies.
There is no middle ground here about who are the terrorists. Either follow the (real) Bible or make it up as you go along as so many other cultures and religions have tried to do and became dust on the wheels of history.
We have enough people in this world providing "balance" to the little bit of truth that is revealed in this world. In fact the truth is being drowned out and completely overwhelmed. Your relatavistic approach is intellectually pleasing but downright immoral at a time like this and I find it quite sickening.
You say that there is only One God, one Bible etc but how about if a persons beliefs are otherwise. According to YOU, it is the truth. To others, it may not be.
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I DIDN'T EVEN COMMENT ON THE PHOTOS MYSELF. I DON'T HAVE AN OPINION ON RACHEL CORRIE AND I'VE READ A LOT OF ARTICLES EXPLAINING HOW MOHAMMED AL-DURA WAS KILLED BY ARAB MILITANTS.
Arab militants? What's next... freedom fighters?
They are poisening you at that school and you don't even realize it.
Yes, there are two ways to look at EVERY story. Congratulations, we know that.
But there is only one G-d, one Truth and One Bible. You either are for it or against it. Promoting the truth or perverting it. If you tolerate such perversion of the truth and entertain it then you are also helping to promote those lies.
There is no middle ground here about who are the terrorists. Either follow the (real) Bible or make it up as you go along as so many other cultures and religions have tried to do and became dust on the wheels of history.
We have enough people in this world providing "balance" to the little bit of truth that is revealed in this world. In fact the truth is being drowned out and completely overwhelmed. Your relatavistic approach is intellectually pleasing but downright immoral at a time like this and I find it quite sickening.
You say that there is only One G-d, one Bible etc but how about if a persons beliefs are otherwise. According to YOU, it is the truth. To others, it may not be.
The Truth is still the Truth even if no one believes it. Our beliefs don't determine the Truth. G-d does.
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I DIDN'T EVEN COMMENT ON THE PHOTOS MYSELF. I DON'T HAVE AN OPINION ON RACHEL CORRIE AND I'VE READ A LOT OF ARTICLES EXPLAINING HOW MOHAMMED AL-DURA WAS KILLED BY ARAB MILITANTS.
Arab militants? What's next... freedom fighters?
They are poisening you at that school and you don't even realize it.
Yes, there are two ways to look at EVERY story. Congratulations, we know that.
But there is only one G-d, one Truth and One Bible. You either are for it or against it. Promoting the truth or perverting it. If you tolerate such perversion of the truth and entertain it then you are also helping to promote those lies.
There is no middle ground here about who are the terrorists. Either follow the (real) Bible or make it up as you go along as so many other cultures and religions have tried to do and became dust on the wheels of history.
We have enough people in this world providing "balance" to the little bit of truth that is revealed in this world. In fact the truth is being drowned out and completely overwhelmed. Your relatavistic approach is intellectually pleasing but downright immoral at a time like this and I find it quite sickening.
You say that there is only One G-d, one Bible etc but how about if a persons beliefs are otherwise. According to YOU, it is the truth. To others, it may not be.
The Truth is still the Truth even if no one believes it. Our beliefs don't determine the Truth. G-d does.
Never a truer word spoken.
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I DIDN'T EVEN COMMENT ON THE PHOTOS MYSELF. I DON'T HAVE AN OPINION ON RACHEL CORRIE AND I'VE READ A LOT OF ARTICLES EXPLAINING HOW MOHAMMED AL-DURA WAS KILLED BY ARAB MILITANTS.
Arab militants? What's next... freedom fighters?
They are poisening you at that school and you don't even realize it.
Yes, there are two ways to look at EVERY story. Congratulations, we know that.
But there is only one G-d, one Truth and One Bible. You either are for it or against it. Promoting the truth or perverting it. If you tolerate such perversion of the truth and entertain it then you are also helping to promote those lies.
There is no middle ground here about who are the terrorists. Either follow the (real) Bible or make it up as you go along as so many other cultures and religions have tried to do and became dust on the wheels of history.
We have enough people in this world providing "balance" to the little bit of truth that is revealed in this world. In fact the truth is being drowned out and completely overwhelmed. Your relatavistic approach is intellectually pleasing but downright immoral at a time like this and I find it quite sickening.
You say that there is only One G-d, one Bible etc but how about if a persons beliefs are otherwise. According to YOU, it is the truth. To others, it may not be.
The Truth is still the Truth even if no one believes it. Our beliefs don't determine the Truth. G-d does.
Yes God determines the truth. So then how do we as people know that we are speaking the truth when there are so many options. For you it is by the laws and guidance of Judaism. For others it is their religion, linked to God.
Its YOUR truth.
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I DIDN'T EVEN COMMENT ON THE PHOTOS MYSELF. I DON'T HAVE AN OPINION ON RACHEL CORRIE AND I'VE READ A LOT OF ARTICLES EXPLAINING HOW MOHAMMED AL-DURA WAS KILLED BY ARAB MILITANTS.
Arab militants? What's next... freedom fighters?
They are poisening you at that school and you don't even realize it.
Yes, there are two ways to look at EVERY story. Congratulations, we know that.
But there is only one G-d, one Truth and One Bible. You either are for it or against it. Promoting the truth or perverting it. If you tolerate such perversion of the truth and entertain it then you are also helping to promote those lies.
There is no middle ground here about who are the terrorists. Either follow the (real) Bible or make it up as you go along as so many other cultures and religions have tried to do and became dust on the wheels of history.
We have enough people in this world providing "balance" to the little bit of truth that is revealed in this world. In fact the truth is being drowned out and completely overwhelmed. Your relatavistic approach is intellectually pleasing but downright immoral at a time like this and I find it quite sickening.
You say that there is only One G-d, one Bible etc but how about if a persons beliefs are otherwise. According to YOU, it is the truth. To others, it may not be.
The Truth is still the Truth even if no one believes it. Our beliefs don't determine the Truth. G-d does.
Yes G-d determines the truth. So then how do we as people know that we are speaking the truth when there are so many options. For you it is by the laws and guidance of Judaism. For others it is their religion, linked to G-d.
Its YOUR truth.
Nope, what someone believes to be the truth does not change what it really is, I could believe that people had green skin, it wouldn't make it true, or I could believe that science makes sense, that wouldn't make it true (I'll explain this privately if you want me to).
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the picture's, what are they, girl in bottom is cute and tony likes!, is top picture, Israeli's hiding from muslim's?
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the picture's, what are they, girl in bottom is cute and tony likes!, is top picture, Israeli's hiding from muslim's?
No point saying shes cute. Shes dead.
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I DIDN'T EVEN COMMENT ON THE PHOTOS MYSELF. I DON'T HAVE AN OPINION ON RACHEL CORRIE AND I'VE READ A LOT OF ARTICLES EXPLAINING HOW MOHAMMED AL-DURA WAS KILLED BY ARAB MILITANTS.
Arab militants? What's next... freedom fighters?
They are poisening you at that school and you don't even realize it.
Yes, there are two ways to look at EVERY story. Congratulations, we know that.
But there is only one G-d, one Truth and One Bible. You either are for it or against it. Promoting the truth or perverting it. If you tolerate such perversion of the truth and entertain it then you are also helping to promote those lies.
There is no middle ground here about who are the terrorists. Either follow the (real) Bible or make it up as you go along as so many other cultures and religions have tried to do and became dust on the wheels of history.
We have enough people in this world providing "balance" to the little bit of truth that is revealed in this world. In fact the truth is being drowned out and completely overwhelmed. Your relatavistic approach is intellectually pleasing but downright immoral at a time like this and I find it quite sickening.
You say that there is only One G-d, one Bible etc but how about if a persons beliefs are otherwise. According to YOU, it is the truth. To others, it may not be.
The Truth is still the Truth even if no one believes it. Our beliefs don't determine the Truth. G-d does.
Yes G-d determines the truth. So then how do we as people know that we are speaking the truth when there are so many options. For you it is by the laws and guidance of Judaism. For others it is their religion, linked to G-d.
Its YOUR truth.
Nope, what someone believes to be the truth does not change what it really is, I could believe that people had green skin, it wouldn't make it true, or I could believe that science makes sense, that wouldn't make it true (I'll explain this privately if you want me to).
Yes ok.
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shes dead, why? did a muslim kill her, how awful! shes a pretty girl.
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shes dead, why? did a muslim kill her, how awful! shes a pretty girl.
She intentionally stood in front of muslim murderers when the IDF had come for them, and told the IDF soldiers to kill her, or she wouldn't let them touch the muslim murderers.
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she told the muslim's to kill her, why? that dosent make sence, she look's like a really nice girl.
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she told the muslim's to kill her, why? that dosent make sence, she look's like a really nice girl.
IDF = ISraeli defence force, re-read what I wrote.
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why did she want israel's army to kill her, she was cuisidel? that's too bad, she should have got counselling first, maybe she wouldnt have done this!
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why did she want israel's army to kill her, she was cuisidel? that's too bad, she should have got counselling first, maybe she wouldnt have done this!
She thought that by risking her life she could save the lives of the muslim murderers.
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why did she want israel's army to kill her, she was cuisidel? that's too bad, she should have got counselling first, maybe she wouldnt have done this!
She was an activist who believed that the IDF were in the wrong and so stood in front of the bulldozer.
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why did she want israel's army to kill her, she was cuisidel? that's too bad, she should have got counselling first, maybe she wouldnt have done this!
She was an activist who believed that the IDF were in the wrong and so stood in front of the bulldozer.
You mean that she was a brain washed extreme leftist.
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why did she want israel's army to kill her, she was cuisidel? that's too bad, she should have got counselling first, maybe she wouldnt have done this!
She was an activist who believed that the IDF were in the wrong and so stood in front of the bulldozer.
You mean that she was a brain washed extreme leftist.
Brainwashed? I'm sure she knew what she was getting herself into.
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why did she want israel's army to kill her, she was cuisidel? that's too bad, she should have got counselling first, maybe she wouldnt have done this!
She was an activist who believed that the IDF were in the wrong and so stood in front of the bulldozer.
You mean that she was a brain washed extreme leftist.
Brainwashed? I'm sure she knew what she was getting herself into.
She thought that she was doing right in defending murderers, that = brain washed in my book.
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why did she want israel's army to kill her, she was cuisidel? that's too bad, she should have got counselling first, maybe she wouldnt have done this!
maybe you should get some counseling
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I DIDN'T EVEN COMMENT ON THE PHOTOS MYSELF. I DON'T HAVE AN OPINION ON RACHEL CORRIE AND I'VE READ A LOT OF ARTICLES EXPLAINING HOW MOHAMMED AL-DURA WAS KILLED BY ARAB MILITANTS.
Arab militants? What's next... freedom fighters?
They are poisening you at that school and you don't even realize it.
Yes, there are two ways to look at EVERY story. Congratulations, we know that.
But there is only one G-d, one Truth and One Bible. You either are for it or against it. Promoting the truth or perverting it. If you tolerate such perversion of the truth and entertain it then you are also helping to promote those lies.
There is no middle ground here about who are the terrorists. Either follow the (real) Bible or make it up as you go along as so many other cultures and religions have tried to do and became dust on the wheels of history.
We have enough people in this world providing "balance" to the little bit of truth that is revealed in this world. In fact the truth is being drowned out and completely overwhelmed. Your relatavistic approach is intellectually pleasing but downright immoral at a time like this and I find it quite sickening.
You say that there is only One G-d, one Bible etc but how about if a persons beliefs are otherwise. According to YOU, it is the truth. To others, it may not be.
The Truth is still the Truth even if no one believes it. Our beliefs don't determine the Truth. G-d does.
Yes G-d determines the truth. So then how do we as people know that we are speaking the truth when there are so many options. For you it is by the laws and guidance of Judaism. For others it is their religion, linked to G-d.
Its YOUR truth.
Sarah, if he didn't believe it to be true - if he didn't know it to be true - he wouldn't follow it!
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It is the policy of Israel to bulldoze the homes of the families of suicide bombers, it is meant to deter others from suicide bombing. This is a good policy, and the IDF even warn the people inside before they demolish the home, so its not meant to kill anyone, just act as a punishment and deterrence. Lets also not forget that the families of suicide bombers laud them as "heros" and the homicide bomber himself (or herself, evidently muslim women DO have some equal rights ::) ) knows that he will have posters of himself put up and that he will be remembered by his family as a 'martyr'....so if he knows that instead of being the 'cool family on the block' because their son killed himself and some innocent Jews, his family will watch their home and belongings be demolished, he might think again before doing it.
St. Pancake, stood in front of a bulldozer, and not just a regular bulldozer, an armored bulldozer where the driver was not able to see her, however there were plenty of 'palestinkians' standing around, a bulldozer is not a race car, certainly one of them could have pulled her out of the way, the bulldozer moves slowly enough...she was an expendable white non muslim, a useful idiot used by them to get sympathy from Americans....didn't work in this American's case, anyone with half a brain knows not to stand in front of moving vehicles.
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Rachel Corrie was not just "an activist"
as prior posts have already said.
She is pictured holding a rifle.. (I recall the description saying alongside the al aqsa martyrs brigade.)
She is pictured disguised as a female jewish settler (probably to act crazy and make them look bad)
She is pictured tearing an american or israeli flag.
The goal or a goal, of the ISM is to disrupt israeli army operations. In this case, I vaguely recall it might have been disrupting the bulldozing of the home of a terrorist.
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I DIDN'T EVEN COMMENT ON THE PHOTOS MYSELF. I DON'T HAVE AN OPINION ON RACHEL CORRIE AND I'VE READ A LOT OF ARTICLES EXPLAINING HOW MOHAMMED AL-DURA WAS KILLED BY ARAB MILITANTS.
Arab militants? What's next... freedom fighters?
They are poisening you at that school and you don't even realize it.
Yes, there are two ways to look at EVERY story. Congratulations, we know that.
But there is only one G-d, one Truth and One Bible. You either are for it or against it. Promoting the truth or perverting it. If you tolerate such perversion of the truth and entertain it then you are also helping to promote those lies.
There is no middle ground here about who are the terrorists. Either follow the (real) Bible or make it up as you go along as so many other cultures and religions have tried to do and became dust on the wheels of history.
We have enough people in this world providing "balance" to the little bit of truth that is revealed in this world. In fact the truth is being drowned out and completely overwhelmed. Your relatavistic approach is intellectually pleasing but downright immoral at a time like this and I find it quite sickening.
You say that there is only One G-d, one Bible etc but how about if a persons beliefs are otherwise. According to YOU, it is the truth. To others, it may not be.
The Truth is still the Truth even if no one believes it. Our beliefs don't determine the Truth. G-d does.
Yes G-d determines the truth. So then how do we as people know that we are speaking the truth when there are so many options. For you it is by the laws and guidance of Judaism. For others it is their religion, linked to G-d.
Its YOUR truth.
Sarah (if this really is Sarah and I'm having my doubts),
You are wrong. This has nothing to do with me at all. Nothing I say here makes any difference to what the truth really is.
If you would like I and others here could explain to you why the Torah of Sinai is true.
Or are you already beyond the point of no return?
Some people believe in religions as you say. We don't. Religions are a man-made thing. Our Torah doesn't come from us it comes from G-d.
We know there is a G-d, because He created the world which testifies to His existence and Creative ability and Infinite power.
We know he revealed His will to the world in front of 600,000 people (over the age of 20) in the form of the Torah.
No major religion (including your own) disputes this.
All the other religions have only tried to add to or in some way supplant the teachings of that Torah. Your teachers will try to convince you that books like the Koran are compitable with the Torah. In doing this they completely pull the wool over your eyes.
Even a 10 year old can see that the Koran is completely heretical to everything the original Bible stands for. You could see that yourself if you are not too blind to see.
Any new religion such as Islam bears the heavy burden to prove G-d gave them the right to change what it says in the Torah.
This is a tall order. This is not something they are able to do. No other claimed revelatory communication from G-d by any other religion has been corroborated by anyone other than the person who claimed to hear it (a very unreliable witness indeed, considering a lot of people get high on the idea of starting their own religion).
Never, since Sinai, have there even been so much as a CLAIM that so many people heard G-d speak to them and tell them what to do.
I would be happy to discuss this further but I fear your mind is closed already. Either someone else is witting your posts or you are writing your posts but you mind has been captured by someone else. So I doubt there is much point in talking to you. This is mainly for the benefit of the other viewers.
But whoever you are Sarah, you are a coward. Instead of believing in something you prefer to spend your time and your life waltzing on both sides of the fence so you don't really have to ever believe in anything.
If you really thought the Koran was right, you would join Al Qaeda. They actually do what it says.
If you really thought the Torah was right you'd devote your life to helping Israel, JTF and spreading the truth of the Torah to the world.
You can go your whole life this way if you like, looking at everything from 2 sides and you will accomplish exactly nothing in this world.
You've learned the truth here and turned your back on it and now are spitting out the same drivel that all the left-wing media and all the billion Muslims believe. If nothing else the real tragedy of Sarah is how unoriginal you have become. Everyone is against JTF and not letting their message be heard while JTF is fighting a heroic and against-all odds battle to fight back. And now you're on their side.
It's pathetic and sickening.
Have a nice life. I for one am tired of this.
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Great post Lubab. One correction, 600,000 men over 20. Including women and children it's several million.
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(http://www.friendsofmicronesia.com/archives/rachel-corrie-flag-02.jpg)
Yup, this b*tch poisoning a future generation of kids to needlessly hate jews and america is burning on gehenom (wanna buy a vowel?). ohhh but she's so courageous...
if you play with fire...you might get burned
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And if this is so in a Modern world then why do people choose it, to rebel?
You. Have. Been. Brainwashed.
I mean it...there are a lot of willing converts and if you say Islam suppresses freedom in thinking then why do people choose to convert in the west when they are living in democracies, that take pride in being "free"
People born in freedom make many insane choices in life.People choose to become drug users, child mollestors, killers, live on hippie communes, drop out of school etc. Does that mean their choices are correct?
BTW,
Why do muSSlims prescribe death for those who opt out when NO other religion does?
Doesn't that tell you something?
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Great post Lubab. One correction, 600,000 men over 20. Including women and children it's several million.
Thanks! Correction made.
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Thank you lubab.
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I'd like to call up Casey Kasem and Delilah, and dedicate the song "I've Got A Crush On You" to Rachel Corrie.
If they say they don't have it, request James Taylor's song "Steamroller".
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I'd like to call up Casey Kasem and Delilah, and dedicate the song "I've Got A Crush On You" to Rachel Corrie.
If they say they don't have it, request James Taylor's song "Steamroller".
Kasem is Lebanese so I doubt he'd appreciate it. A funny idea, nonetheless. He's supported every Nazi politician possible:
http://www.newsmeat.com/celebrity_political_donations/Casey_Kasem.php
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You may have considered two sides, but the fact that you stated an opinion shows that you believe in one.
Sorry for responding so late. Sarah, what kind of a comment is this? Are you for real? Is your brain functioning at all? I wish you'd go back and review your posts. You're a piece of work...pure and simple. I believe you are a troll nothing more. I'd give nothing more to debate you and your "teachers" openly as I see nothing but ignorace and benightedness in that outcome. I have been nothing but patient with you and even aided you since the first time you had contacted me about a year ago.... I see nothing whatsoever was learned. You are still closed minded as ever. I have no idea why some JTF'ers defend you as I see a deceitful individual that is purely here to create trouble. You have not learned a thing since you've been on here. You've dismissed nearly everything and twisted every rational into illogic and ineptness. I think you post things for pure self gratification to get praise and then work to defend Islam and the Arabs in any way you see fit.
If you have any straight up questions or wish to debate or argue please.....lets get it on and over with. I'm tired of this farce...