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Title: Huckabee is the best candidate on Israel.
Post by: Chaim Ben Pesach on December 03, 2007, 05:16:13 AM
                                                                                                                                   בס''ד

Mike Huckabee publicly claims to oppose any suicidal Israeli territorial retreats. He is the ONLY major presidential candidate to take that position. Giuliani, Romney and McCain all support suicidal Israeli retreats if the Arab Muslim Nazis just temporarily pretend not to want genocide against the Jewish "infidels". Huckabee, who is a Southern Baptist minister, seems to really believe in what G-d commands in the Bible, that the Land of Israel must remain in the hands of the Jewish people.

Here is Huckabee's recent interview with that self-hating Judenrat kapo CNN scum Wolf Blitzer:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=9f1hf93Md7Q

Now whether Huckabee would stick with this position when he comes under pressure as president is another question. But at least he starts out with the view that Israel should not retreat.

Title: Re: Huckabee is the best candidate on Israel.
Post by: Trumpeldor on December 03, 2007, 05:19:10 AM
Excellent!
Title: Re: Huckabee is the best candidate on Israel.
Post by: dhimmi_pride on December 03, 2007, 05:36:30 AM

great!

This clip of Huckabee with Blitzer talking about Saudi Arabia is even better:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=QWkvmO3SA4A&feature=related

"I would make the United States energy independent within ten years and tell the Saudis that they can keep their oil just like they can keep their sand and that we won't need either one of them." ~ Mike Huckabee

What more do we need to know? It really seems like Huckabee is the way to go. I think that Huckabee would keep this position if president. He certainly was not dodging any questions. Blitzer asks him about whether Israel should retreat from the West Bank and he says "no" and adds not retreating the Golan Heights as well. He also made the point that JTF has made about how much land the Arabs have compared to Israel. I've liked him since one of the early debates where he said the obvious, which few others have said, that the Jihadis are motivated by theology not politics. So it would be good to have a minister who knows and believes the bible.
Title: Re: Huckabee is the best candidate on Israel.
Post by: JTFFan on December 03, 2007, 06:12:56 AM
Excellent! Thanks for the video Chaim!  O0
Initially, he was my second choice besides Giuliani but I just might make him for my first, because imo the Israel issue is the most important one. Although, illegal immigration is also a big one.
Title: Re: Huckabee is the best candidate on Israel.
Post by: Dr. Dan on December 03, 2007, 07:04:11 AM
THe very fact that he mentions the time of Abraham as the beginning of the conflict between Arabs and Jews shows he knows what he's talking about...I like this guy!  We have a softer Alan Keyes in teh making
Title: Re: Huckabee is the best candidate on Israel.
Post by: Dr. Dan on December 03, 2007, 07:11:50 AM
Huckabee is one sly politician

1. He has the right wing Jewish vote
2. He has the Christian and religious vote
3. He has the Conservative vote
4. He has the environmentalist vote probably
5. He has the Arkansas vote
6. He has the Latino vote for supporting illegal immigration

It's a great strategy to win...We might not like the illegal immigration part, but it is a means to an end to save Israel and the US from funding terrorism.  The other guys will fall short and eventually accept a compromise on illegal immigration and Israel...I think Huckabee is our dude for the time being.
Title: Re: Huckabee is the best candidate on Israel.
Post by: JTFFan on December 03, 2007, 07:16:55 AM
THe very fact that he mentions the time of Abraham as the beginning of the conflict between Arabs and Jews shows he knows what he's talking about...I like this guy!  We have a softer Alan Keyes in teh making

He seems like a softer Alan Keyes. :) ;) O0
Title: Re: Huckabee is the best candidate on Israel.
Post by: JTFFan on December 03, 2007, 07:18:25 AM
Huckabee is one sly politician

1. He has the right wing Jewish vote
2. He has the Christian and religious vote
3. He has the Conservative vote
4. He has the environmentalist vote probably
5. He has the Arkansas vote
6. He has the Latino vote for supporting illegal immigration

It's a great strategy to win...We might not like the illegal immigration part, but it is a means to an end to save Israel and the US from funding terrorism.  The other guys will fall short and eventually accept a compromise on illegal immigration and Israel...I think Huckabee is our dude for the time being.

Agreed. Illegal Immmigration is also an important issue but maybe he'll change his position on it if he gets persuaded by conservatives.
Title: Re: Huckabee is the best candidate on Israel.
Post by: mord on December 03, 2007, 07:20:11 AM
Sounds good to me then again they all sound good till the  former U.S. state dept lobbyists whom receive tremendous amounts of money from the Saudi govt as well as the oil companies get their greassy oilly hands around the presidents.BTW all the frauds and liars who talk about Aipac should check out how much money is dished out to ex state dept lobbyists,it dwarfts all other lobbys together.Maybe the great contitutionalits Paul should check it out before opening up his sewer about Israel all the time.
Title: Re: Huckabee is the best candidate on Israel.
Post by: Dr. Dan on December 03, 2007, 07:21:46 AM
Huckabee is one sly politician

1. He has the right wing Jewish vote
2. He has the Christian and religious vote
3. He has the Conservative vote
4. He has the environmentalist vote probably
5. He has the Arkansas vote
6. He has the Latino vote for supporting illegal immigration

It's a great strategy to win...We might not like the illegal immigration part, but it is a means to an end to save Israel and the US from funding terrorism.  The other guys will fall short and eventually accept a compromise on illegal immigration and Israel...I think Huckabee is our dude for the time being.

Agreed. Illegal Immmigration is also an important issue but maybe he'll change his position on it if he gets persuaded by conservatives.

THe Latino vote will put him over the top and the people on the mexican border will have no choice but to choose the lesser of two evils..IT's a good political strategy to get the Latino vote to put him over the top if he wins the primary...after that, he can be persuaded by the conservatives to be stronger on the border.  He has a much better upswing than Guliani and Romney et al based on this interview.
Title: Re: Huckabee is the best candidate on Israel.
Post by: dhimmi_pride on December 03, 2007, 07:29:24 AM
Huckabee is one sly politician

1. He has the right wing Jewish vote
2. He has the Christian and religious vote
3. He has the Conservative vote
4. He has the environmentalist vote probably
5. He has the Arkansas vote
6. He has the Latino vote for supporting illegal immigration

It's a great strategy to win...We might not like the illegal immigration part, but it is a means to an end to save Israel and the US from funding terrorism.  The other guys will fall short and eventually accept a compromise on illegal immigration and Israel...I think Huckabee is our dude for the time being.

Agreed. Illegal Immmigration is also an important issue but maybe he'll change his position on it if he gets persuaded by conservatives.

THe Latino vote will put him over the top and the people on the mexican border will have no choice but to choose the lesser of two evils..IT's a good political strategy to get the Latino vote to put him over the top if he wins the primary...after that, he can be persuaded by the conservatives to be stronger on the border.  He has a much better upswing than Guliani and Romney et al based on this interview.

If he gets the Latino vote he will probably be more due to his Christian message and populist appeal. He is really not the dove on immigration that people make him out to be. He has come out in favor of building the fence along the border.
Title: Re: Huckabee is the best candidate on Israel.
Post by: Dr. Dan on December 03, 2007, 08:03:28 AM
Huckabee is one sly politician

1. He has the right wing Jewish vote
2. He has the Christian and religious vote
3. He has the Conservative vote
4. He has the environmentalist vote probably
5. He has the Arkansas vote
6. He has the Latino vote for supporting illegal immigration

It's a great strategy to win...We might not like the illegal immigration part, but it is a means to an end to save Israel and the US from funding terrorism.  The other guys will fall short and eventually accept a compromise on illegal immigration and Israel...I think Huckabee is our dude for the time being.

Agreed. Illegal Immmigration is also an important issue but maybe he'll change his position on it if he gets persuaded by conservatives.

THe Latino vote will put him over the top and the people on the mexican border will have no choice but to choose the lesser of two evils..IT's a good political strategy to get the Latino vote to put him over the top if he wins the primary...after that, he can be persuaded by the conservatives to be stronger on the border.  He has a much better upswing than Guliani and Romney et al based on this interview.

If he gets the Latino vote he will probably be more due to his Christian message and populist appeal. He is really not the dove on immigration that people make him out to be. He has come out in favor of building the fence along the border.

Shhh, that will be our little secret....
Title: Re: Huckabee is the best candidate on Israel.
Post by: Dan on December 03, 2007, 09:12:40 AM
Yes, I liked him as The Republican candidate from a while back.  O0
Title: Re: Huckabee is the best candidate on Israel.
Post by: nopeaceforland on December 03, 2007, 09:58:24 AM
Great video, and well said!!!!!!!!!!!!! The problem is: He'll never be elected into the presidency. He'll have to hope for a vice-presidency.
Title: Re: Huckabee is the best candidate on Israel.
Post by: kahaneloyalist on December 03, 2007, 10:04:01 AM
I dont know if his being Vice would matter, its not so well known but Cheney is a vehement Zionist and is probably the reason Bush left Israel alone to some degree in the early years of his presidency. Now that Cheney is in disgrace Condi has stepped into the gap
Title: Re: Huckabee is the best candidate on Israel.
Post by: Muck DeFuslims on December 03, 2007, 10:30:07 AM
I dont know if his being Vice would matter, its not so well known but Cheney is a vehement Zionist and is probably the reason Bush left Israel alone to some degree in the early years of his presidency. Now that Cheney is in disgrace Condi has stepped into the gap

I don't know about Cheney being a vehement Zionist, but one thing's for sure; the shift away from Cheney, Rumsfeld, and Bolton and towards Congosleeza, and James 'f@@k the Jews' Baker is a clear indication of an erosion of support for Israel by the Jorge Wahabi Bush administration.
Title: Re: Huckabee is the best candidate on Israel.
Post by: nopeaceforland on December 03, 2007, 10:47:33 AM
I dont know if his being Vice would matter, its not so well known but Cheney is a vehement Zionist and is probably the reason Bush left Israel alone to some degree in the early years of his presidency. Now that Cheney is in disgrace Condi has stepped into the gap

I don't know about Cheney being a vehement Zionist, but one thing's for sure; the shift away from Cheney, Rumsfeld, and Bolton and towards Congosleeza, and James 'f@@k the Jews' Baker is a clear indication of an erosion of support for Israel by the Jorge Wahabi Bush administration.

The reason Israel has been left alone: One reason, and one only. The Evangelical Christians have I'm sure threatened Habib Bush Al Sahid and the rest of the dirty bums in his admin. The anti-Semites, always say, "The Jews, they're so influential in the U.S.!" One word: Bullcrap!!!!!!!!!!!! The Evangelicals hold a lot of support, especially with Israel!
Title: Re: Huckabee is the best candidate on Israel.
Post by: Chaim Ben Pesach on December 03, 2007, 11:00:39 AM
Great video, and well said!!!!!!!!!!!!! The problem is: He'll never be elected into the presidency. He'll have to hope for a vice-presidency.

I disagree. I think he has a chance of winning the presidency. He may not win in the end, but I do believe that he has a chance.
Title: Re: Huckabee is the best candidate on Israel.
Post by: Muck DeFuslims on December 03, 2007, 11:53:34 AM
Thanks to Chaim and Dhimmi Pride for bringing these videos to my attention.

I've been a pretty firm supporter of Guiliani, thinking he was the best candidate on Israel and represented the best hope of defeating the Hildabeast or black moooozie OsamaObama.

However, Guiliani's response to the moooozie cow, asking him what he would do to improve the moooozie world's perception of America, during the last Republican debate really set off some warning bells with me. Hearing Rudy call Islam a great religion was extremely disappointing and alarming, and has caused me to consider a viable alternative.

I've always liked Duncan Hunter and Tancredo, but they don't seem to have a realistic shot at winning the nomination. I wasn't too familiar with Huckabee and didn't think he had a chance either.

But now, Huckabee is apparently gaining momentum in Iowa and I really like what he had to say about Israel, Saudi Arabia, Mideast policy, and energy independence in the videos Chaim and Dhimmi Pride linked to.

I didn't like Huckabee's answers to the question about scholarships for the children of illegal aliens during the last debate. But in this election I'm afraid I'm going to be voting for the candidate with the least warts, and for me the illegal alien issue takes a backseat to the most important issues--the security of Israel and the USA, and combating the mooozie nazi swine.

I'm seriously considering supporting Huckabee now.
Title: Re: Huckabee is the best candidate on Israel.
Post by: genteelgentile on December 03, 2007, 12:24:59 PM
  Alright, let's support Huckabee, but keep the heat on him big time.
Title: Re: Huckabee is the best candidate on Israel.
Post by: דוד בן זאב אריה on December 03, 2007, 12:53:07 PM
Huckabee is one sly politician

1. He has the right wing Jewish vote
2. He has the Christian and religious vote
3. He has the Conservative vote
4. He has the environmentalist vote probably
5. He has the Arkansas vote
6. He has the Latino vote for supporting illegal immigration

It's a great strategy to win...We might not like the illegal immigration part, but it is a means to an end to save Israel and the US from funding terrorism.  The other guys will fall short and eventually accept a compromise on illegal immigration and Israel...I think Huckabee is our dude for the time being.

He sure is. I have liked him since I first saw him. What he says in front of you is the same as he will say the next minute. He isn't you normal Wahsington Politican
Title: Re: Huckabee is the best candidate on Israel.
Post by: דוד בן זאב אריה on December 03, 2007, 12:54:52 PM
Muck DeFuslims - No one person who wants to win the Presidenacy will say the real truth behind Islam. It just won't happen in this day of PC Liberals even some strong consertives in the Senate and Congress won't say that for fear of being attacked
Title: Re: Huckabee is the best candidate on Israel.
Post by: White Israelite on December 03, 2007, 02:52:34 PM
I will have to read up more on Huckabees voting record, I don't know enough about him yet.
Title: Re: Huckabee is the best candidate on Israel.
Post by: White Israelite on December 03, 2007, 02:58:35 PM
Mike Huckabee on Immigration
Click here for 12 full quotes on Immigration OR other candidates on Immigration OR background on Immigration.

    * FactCheck: AR college bill accepted illegals after 3 years. (Nov 2007)
    * Punish people who break the law; but not their children. (Nov 2007)
    * Focus on demand: penalize employers of illegal immigrants. (Sep 2007)
    * Some anti-immigration advocates are based on racism. (Sep 2007)
    * People are angry at government for failing to track illegals. (Sep 2007)
    * Problems with McCain-Kennedy: credibility; secrecy; spending. (Jun 2007)
    * Allow in professionals as legal immigrants, but seal border. (Jun 2007)
    * Change rule barring immigrants from running for president. (May 2007)
    * Path to citizenship if illegals admit guilt & pay fine. (Jan 2007)
    * Share costs of legal immigration between states & federal. (Feb 2001)
    * Federal government should deal with criminal repatriation. (Feb 2001)
    * Import farm workers from Mexico. (Sep 2001)

I agreed with most of what he said but when I ran into this little tidbit about illegal immigration, I about puked.
Title: Re: Huckabee is the best candidate on Israel.
Post by: RationalThought110 on December 03, 2007, 04:15:08 PM
Huckabee is one sly politician

1. He has the right wing Jewish vote
2. He has the Christian and religious vote
3. He has the Conservative vote
4. He has the environmentalist vote probably
5. He has the Arkansas vote
6. He has the Latino vote for supporting illegal immigration

It's a great strategy to win...We might not like the illegal immigration part, but it is a means to an end to save Israel and the US from funding terrorism.  The other guys will fall short and eventually accept a compromise on illegal immigration and Israel...I think Huckabee is our dude for the time being.



Don't for for that crap that you need to promote illegal alien invasions to get latinos to vote for you. 
Title: Re: Huckabee is the best candidate on Israel.
Post by: White Israelite on December 03, 2007, 04:18:21 PM
I think Fred Thompson would be a better selection from what I know about him.
Title: Re: Huckabee is the best candidate on Israel.
Post by: Dr. Dan on December 03, 2007, 04:24:51 PM
Huckabee is one sly politician

1. He has the right wing Jewish vote
2. He has the Christian and religious vote
3. He has the Conservative vote
4. He has the environmentalist vote probably
5. He has the Arkansas vote
6. He has the Latino vote for supporting illegal immigration

It's a great strategy to win...We might not like the illegal immigration part, but it is a means to an end to save Israel and the US from funding terrorism.  The other guys will fall short and eventually accept a compromise on illegal immigration and Israel...I think Huckabee is our dude for the time being.



Don't for for that crap that you need to promote illegal alien invasions to get latinos to vote for you. 


I don't promote it...But if he is, it may help him even to win the presidency against the demoncrats because of the latino vote that will overwhelmingly choose him.
Title: Re: Huckabee is the best candidate on Israel.
Post by: White Israelite on December 03, 2007, 04:28:48 PM
Huckabee is one sly politician

1. He has the right wing Jewish vote
2. He has the Christian and religious vote
3. He has the Conservative vote
4. He has the environmentalist vote probably
5. He has the Arkansas vote
6. He has the Latino vote for supporting illegal immigration

It's a great strategy to win...We might not like the illegal immigration part, but it is a means to an end to save Israel and the US from funding terrorism.  The other guys will fall short and eventually accept a compromise on illegal immigration and Israel...I think Huckabee is our dude for the time being.



Don't for for that crap that you need to promote illegal alien invasions to get latinos to vote for you. 


I don't promote it...But if he is, it may help him even to win the presidency against the demoncrats because of the latino vote that will overwhelmingly choose him.

Your mentality is obtrusive. So it's ok for illegal aliens to be legal to get more votes for a candidate yet it's bad if Nazis and muslims vote for a candidate to boost votes? Where's the logic in that? Let me guess, you support illegal immigration?
Title: Re: Huckabee is the best candidate on Israel.
Post by: RationalThought110 on December 03, 2007, 04:52:11 PM
Huckabee is one sly politician

1. He has the right wing Jewish vote
2. He has the Christian and religious vote
3. He has the Conservative vote
4. He has the environmentalist vote probably
5. He has the Arkansas vote
6. He has the Latino vote for supporting illegal immigration

It's a great strategy to win...We might not like the illegal immigration part, but it is a means to an end to save Israel and the US from funding terrorism.  The other guys will fall short and eventually accept a compromise on illegal immigration and Israel...I think Huckabee is our dude for the time being.



Don't for for that crap that you need to promote illegal alien invasions to get latinos to vote for you. 


I don't promote it...But if he is, it may help him even to win the presidency against the demoncrats because of the latino vote that will overwhelmingly choose him.


Why do you assume most Latino voters advocate breaking laws?
Title: Re: Huckabee is the best candidate on Israel.
Post by: RationalThought110 on December 03, 2007, 04:53:22 PM
Mike Huckabee on Immigration
Click here for 12 full quotes on Immigration OR other candidates on Immigration OR background on Immigration.

    * FactCheck: AR college bill accepted illegals after 3 years. (Nov 2007)
    * Punish people who break the law; but not their children. (Nov 2007)
    * Focus on demand: penalize employers of illegal immigrants. (Sep 2007)
    * Some anti-immigration advocates are based on racism. (Sep 2007)
    * People are angry at government for failing to track illegals. (Sep 2007)
    * Problems with McCain-Kennedy: credibility; secrecy; spending. (Jun 2007)
    * Allow in professionals as legal immigrants, but seal border. (Jun 2007)
    * Change rule barring immigrants from running for president. (May 2007)
    * Path to citizenship if illegals admit guilt & pay fine. (Jan 2007)
    * Share costs of legal immigration between states & federal. (Feb 2001)
    * Federal government should deal with criminal repatriation. (Feb 2001)
    * Import farm workers from Mexico. (Sep 2001)

I agreed with most of what he said but when I ran into this little tidbit about illegal immigration, I about puked.


Could you please post the link to where you got this so I could read more about it?
Title: Re: Huckabee is the best candidate on Israel.
Post by: White Israelite on December 03, 2007, 04:56:01 PM
Mike Huckabee on Immigration
Click here for 12 full quotes on Immigration OR other candidates on Immigration OR background on Immigration.

    * FactCheck: AR college bill accepted illegals after 3 years. (Nov 2007)
    * Punish people who break the law; but not their children. (Nov 2007)
    * Focus on demand: penalize employers of illegal immigrants. (Sep 2007)
    * Some anti-immigration advocates are based on racism. (Sep 2007)
    * People are angry at government for failing to track illegals. (Sep 2007)
    * Problems with McCain-Kennedy: credibility; secrecy; spending. (Jun 2007)
    * Allow in professionals as legal immigrants, but seal border. (Jun 2007)
    * Change rule barring immigrants from running for president. (May 2007)
    * Path to citizenship if illegals admit guilt & pay fine. (Jan 2007)
    * Share costs of legal immigration between states & federal. (Feb 2001)
    * Federal government should deal with criminal repatriation. (Feb 2001)
    * Import farm workers from Mexico. (Sep 2001)

I agreed with most of what he said but when I ran into this little tidbit about illegal immigration, I about puked.


Could you please post the link to where you got this so I could read more about it?

http://www.ontheissues.org/Mike_Huckabee.htm
Title: Re: Huckabee is the best candidate on Israel.
Post by: RationalThought110 on December 03, 2007, 09:09:22 PM
Mike Huckabee on Immigration
Click here for 12 full quotes on Immigration OR other candidates on Immigration OR background on Immigration.

    * FactCheck: AR college bill accepted illegals after 3 years. (Nov 2007)
    * Punish people who break the law; but not their children. (Nov 2007)
    * Focus on demand: penalize employers of illegal immigrants. (Sep 2007)
    * Some anti-immigration advocates are based on racism. (Sep 2007)
    * People are angry at government for failing to track illegals. (Sep 2007)
    * Problems with McCain-Kennedy: credibility; secrecy; spending. (Jun 2007)
    * Allow in professionals as legal immigrants, but seal border. (Jun 2007)
    * Change rule barring immigrants from running for president. (May 2007)
    * Path to citizenship if illegals admit guilt & pay fine. (Jan 2007)
    * Share costs of legal immigration between states & federal. (Feb 2001)
    * Federal government should deal with criminal repatriation. (Feb 2001)
    * Import farm workers from Mexico. (Sep 2001)

I agreed with most of what he said but when I ran into this little tidbit about illegal immigration, I about puked.


Could you please post the link to where you got this so I could read more about it?

http://www.ontheissues.org/Mike_Huckabee.htm


Huckabee has a bad record on the issue. 
Title: Re: Huckabee is the best candidate on Israel.
Post by: Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks on December 03, 2007, 09:54:37 PM
His position on Israel is better than Duncan Hunter's?
Title: Re: Huckabee is the best candidate on Israel.
Post by: yeshuadisciple on December 03, 2007, 10:26:01 PM
That's good, but Israel can't rely on a US president put a stop to the land for peace craziness.  Israel needs to elect a government that will stop caving in to western pressure. 
Title: Re: Huckabee is the best candidate on Israel.
Post by: MassuhDGoodName on December 03, 2007, 10:35:32 PM
Chaim Ben Pesach:  "...I think he has a chance of winning the presidency..."

I agree with Chaim.

America will go with the conservative candidate who is consistent, strong, and true to his convictions.

 

Title: Re: Huckabee is the best candidate on Israel.
Post by: Jasmina on December 03, 2007, 11:17:33 PM
I like Mike Huckabee!
I'd VOTE for him if I could.  :)
Title: Re: Huckabee is the best candidate on Israel.
Post by: Yisrael on December 04, 2007, 12:21:39 AM
Now whether Huckabee would stick with this position when he comes under pressure as president is another question. But at least he starts out with the view that Israel should not retreat.


Who would pressure him? He's President of The United States. It's not like The Prime Minister of Israel who gets pressured by the whole World.


Other US politicians. Congress, Senate, Governors, you know....
Title: Re: Huckabee is the best candidate on Israel.
Post by: דוד בן זאב אריה on December 04, 2007, 01:16:39 AM
The president has more effect then you might think. He can put bill foward in the congress with out going through comitee. Huckabee is a richous gentile and I trust that he would keep his word he is after all a Baptist Minister
Title: Re: Huckabee is the best candidate on Israel.
Post by: RationalThought110 on December 04, 2007, 01:27:49 AM
Now whether Huckabee would stick with this position when he comes under pressure as president is another question. But at least he starts out with the view that Israel should not retreat.


Who would pressure him? He's President of The United States. It's not like The Prime Minister of Israel who gets pressured by the whole World.




The State Department.  Although the president appoints the Secretary of State and maybe at least a couple others in that department, I think the department is run by the CFR.
Title: Re: Huckabee is the best candidate on Israel.
Post by: Zvulun Ben Moshe on December 04, 2007, 01:29:35 AM
Did you guys understand what he said about a possible PLO state?

He said it in a rather concealed way, but he said that the PLO state can be created in any Arab state, but not in Israel.

Wow. I think, with such bold slogans it will not be as easy for him to back up later.
Title: Re: Huckabee is the best candidate on Israel.
Post by: RationalThought110 on December 04, 2007, 01:30:16 AM
The president has more effect then you might think. He can put bill foward in the congress with out going through comitee. Huckabee is a richous gentile and I trust that he would keep his word he is after all a Baptist Minister

Although he isn't a minister, some people probably thought the same about Bush Jr. 
Title: Re: Huckabee is the best candidate on Israel.
Post by: RationalThought110 on December 04, 2007, 01:36:48 AM
Did you guys understand what he said about a possible PLO state?

He said it in a rather concealed way, but he said that the PLO state can be created in any Arab state, but not in Israel.

Wow. I think, with such bold slogans it will not be as easy for him to back up later.


"I think, with such bold slogans it will not be as easy for him to back up later."

What do you mean?
Title: Re: Huckabee is the best candidate on Israel.
Post by: דוד בן זאב אריה on December 04, 2007, 01:42:37 AM
Did you guys understand what he said about a possible PLO state?

He said it in a rather concealed way, but he said that the PLO state can be created in any Arab state, but not in Israel.

Wow. I think, with such bold slogans it will not be as easy for him to back up later.

That is what JTF supports. We support a state out side of Israel proper
Title: Re: Huckabee is the best candidate on Israel.
Post by: Zvulun Ben Moshe on December 04, 2007, 01:42:42 AM
Did you guys understand what he said about a possible PLO state?

He said it in a rather concealed way, but he said that the PLO state can be created in any Arab state, but not in Israel.

Wow. I think, with such bold slogans it will not be as easy for him to back up later.


"I think, with such bold slogans it will not be as easy for him to back up later."

What do you mean?

I mean that with slogans like - "No PLO state in Israel", "No dependence on filthy Saudis" etc. - he automatically gains enemies among Muslims and later, even if he wanted, it would be uneasy for him to change his reputation.
Title: Re: Huckabee is the best candidate on Israel.
Post by: דוד בן זאב אריה on December 04, 2007, 01:44:06 AM
The president has more effect then you might think. He can put bill foward in the congress with out going through comitee. Huckabee is a richous gentile and I trust that he would keep his word he is after all a Baptist Minister

Although he isn't a minister, some people probably thought the same about Bush Jr. 

George Bush is a shmuck that is the difference
Title: Re: Huckabee is the best candidate on Israel.
Post by: Zvulun Ben Moshe on December 04, 2007, 01:45:20 AM
Did you guys understand what he said about a possible PLO state?

He said it in a rather concealed way, but he said that the PLO state can be created in any Arab state, but not in Israel.

Wow. I think, with such bold slogans it will not be as easy for him to back up later.

That is what JTF supports. We support a state out side of Israel proper

Per my understanding, JTF supports no PLO state on the territory of Israel. Period.
But we don't specifically go and support such state being established anywhere else. We just throw options to our "beloved" enemies.
Title: Re: Huckabee is the best candidate on Israel.
Post by: Yisrael on December 04, 2007, 01:47:43 AM
Did you guys understand what he said about a possible PLO state?

He said it in a rather concealed way, but he said that the PLO state can be created in any Arab state, but not in Israel.

Wow. I think, with such bold slogans it will not be as easy for him to back up later.

Rabbi Kahane vowed that if he was PM he would help the Arabs build their P@lestine in Jordan or in another country. This is what Huckabee seemed to suggest as well.

Although he isn't a minister, some people probably thought the same about Bush Jr. 

I had faith in Bush Jr. Especially after 9/11 when he introduced the Bush doctrine. I was positive that he will keep Israel as our strongest ally and he would encourage Israel to take an aggressive  stand on the terrorist.

But no, not only is he telling Israel to help the terrorist, he is too. Iran, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, where is the Bush doctrine?

I was wrong, and Chaim understood these phonies are early on.

Title: Re: Huckabee is the best candidate on Israel.
Post by: Lubab on December 04, 2007, 11:51:31 AM
His position on Israel is better than Duncan Hunter's?

I believe Chaim said the best "major" candidate on Israel. I'm not sure Duncan Hunter has the money (or the looks...yes looks matter) to ever be a major candidate this election. He would make a good vice-president, though.
Title: Re: Huckabee is the best candidate on Israel.
Post by: mord on December 04, 2007, 11:56:24 AM
No Duncan Hunter is very pro Israel my uncle or great uncle is friends with Duncan Hunter for 40 yrs
Title: Re: Huckabee is the best candidate on Israel.
Post by: Chaim Ben Pesach on December 04, 2007, 12:02:36 PM
Duncan Hunter is also against Israeli territorial retreats. But unfortunately he has no chance of winning.

Mike Huckabee does have a chance of winning. Which is why, as lubab points out, I refer to Huckabee as the only "major" candidate who opposes Israeli suicidal retreats.
Title: Re: Huckabee is the best candidate on Israel.
Post by: mord on December 04, 2007, 12:06:44 PM
I agree unfortunetaly it's true
 
Title: Re: Huckabee is the best candidate on Israel.
Post by: Dan on December 04, 2007, 12:14:12 PM
Duncan Hunter is also against Israeli territorial retreats. But unfortunately he has no chance of winning.

Mike Huckabee does have a chance of winning. Which is why, as lubab points out, I refer to Huckabee as the only "major" candidate who opposes Israeli suicidal retreats.

How about this:
    Huckabee / Hunter in 08 !!!!  What Do You Think?
   This would be the Dream Team we can hope for in the Next Election, G-d willing!
Title: Re: Huckabee is the best candidate on Israel.
Post by: mord on December 04, 2007, 12:23:22 PM
Would be great
Title: Re: Huckabee is the best candidate on Israel.
Post by: Danilo on December 04, 2007, 01:30:17 PM
I think that Mike is the best candidate and has the potential of being a real statesman.
Hopefully he doesn`t forget where his ancestors came from. 

Read this:

http://www.thespoof.com/news/spoof.cfm?headline=s2i27347

O0  :::D
Title: Re: Huckabee is the best candidate on Israel.
Post by: דוד בן זאב אריה on December 04, 2007, 03:07:56 PM
Huckabee/Hunter:  Muslims Beware

I like the sound of that
Title: Re: Huckabee is the best candidate on Israel.
Post by: Dan on December 04, 2007, 03:46:07 PM
Let's Try and Promote this idea further:
                                                        HUCKABEE / HUNTER     '08
     

YouTube, Live Leak, and more
Title: Re: Huckabee is the best candidate on Israel.
Post by: דוד בן זאב אריה on December 04, 2007, 03:54:20 PM
Let's Try and Promote this idea further:
                                                        HUCKABEE / HUNTER     '08
    

YouTube, Live Leak, and more

I am going to make a viedo on that right now thanks for the idea I'll post the like here in a few
Title: Re: Huckabee is the best candidate on Israel.
Post by: MarZutra on December 04, 2007, 08:28:33 PM
I'd vote for him.  Too bad Blitzer is a CFR kike!  Fcuk him and his memory...
Title: Re: Huckabee is the best candidate on Israel.
Post by: דוד בן זאב אריה on December 04, 2007, 08:37:54 PM
I'd vote for him.  Too bad Blitzer is a CFR kike!  Fcuk him and his memory...

I hate Wolf too but please refarain from useing such language toward a fellow Jew. It offends me to hear that word.
Title: Re: Huckabee is the best candidate on Israel.
Post by: MarZutra on December 04, 2007, 08:41:35 PM
One should not show pitty to these sorts of "Jews" as we are now celebrating the disrespect Matthias the Hasmonean had for the "Jew" who embraced Hellenism sparking what would now give us Hannakuh....
Title: Re: Huckabee is the best candidate on Israel.
Post by: RationalThought110 on December 05, 2007, 11:39:26 AM
As a wise member of this forum previously pointed out, Bush Jr and other politicians in the past have promised that they would move the US embassy in Israel to Jerusalem.  Has Huckabee promised this?  We don't know whether he'll fulfill it or not.
Title: Re: Huckabee is the best candidate on Israel.
Post by: MassuhDGoodName on December 05, 2007, 12:45:14 PM
MassuhD's idea of a winning team:

President- Huckabee

V.P. - Alan Keyes


Let these two men each speak clearly and freely to audiences worldwide.

After winning, Keyes should go on a speaking tour of all States, open to the public, at no charge to anyone, and let him continue with overseas missions to represent the U.S. to the rest of the world.
He truly represents The American Dream:
Keyes is unsurpassed as an intellect, orator, and a man of faith, as well as being an example to all the world what anyone, anywhere, from any background, can achieve when given free will and liberty. 
Keyes can attract all races, all the while speaking out on the evils of "affirmative action" and 'class privelage' vs excellence derived from personal achievement rooted in American culture and Western heritage.
Even illegal immigrants will be inspired by a Huckabee / Keyes ticket, because they will be inspired to want to either return home and work for Mexico's betterment, or be so desirous of America's promise that they will desire to undertake the legal procedures for American citizenship just the same as any other applicants.
The ones here with families seeking only the opportunity to improve their lives through hard work and family values don't want to hear about 'handout programs' or amnesty, and there are more of these Mexicans here than there are those who 'undesirables'.
The good aliens would make excellent citizens of the U.S.A......we can deport the others and have an Executive Branch which will stand firm in their dealings with our southern neighboring countries.
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Then, after winning, Paul might make a great Treasury Secretary (he has long served on Treasury subcommittees).
He wants to rid us of the Federal Reserve / IRS, and believes in fiscal responsibility and national sovereignty.
His life is scandal free and he is an honorable public servant.
Since no one man alone could be President and focus on one truly needed reform program, Paul would be excellent in working to bring our Treasury Department back in line with the intent of the Constitution.
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Rudy is as equally weak as a contender as he is strong in other areas.
Perhaps he might be more effective as a Secretary of State, or UN Ambassador?
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Tancredo could be appointed Head of Immigration / Border Security / Processing of illegal aliens for deportment.
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Duncan Hunter would make an excellent Defense Department Secretary...eliminating waste and fraud, rebuilding our defense capabilities to once again be far ahead of any other country and truly able and willing to defend American interests anywhere in the world should the need arise.
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Hillary / Obama / all the rest of the Democrat contenders, in comparison to a Huckabee / Keyes ticket, appear to be a team of weaklings with no stature, no moral compass, no intellect, nothing to offer except demagoguery for socialism aimed towards society's lowest common denominators.
Title: Re: Huckabee is the best candidate on Israel.
Post by: Dr. Dan on December 05, 2007, 01:22:01 PM
The president has more effect then you might think. He can put bill foward in the congress with out going through comitee. Huckabee is a richous gentile and I trust that he would keep his word he is after all a Baptist Minister

you should change your name to jtfhuckabee08  LOL
Title: Re: Huckabee is the best candidate on Israel.
Post by: Dr. Dan on December 05, 2007, 01:26:43 PM
MassuhD's idea of a winning team:

President- Huckabee

V.P. - Alan Keyes


Let these two men each speak clearly and freely to audiences worldwide.

After winning, Keyes should go on a speaking tour of all States, open to the public, at no charge to anyone, and let him continue with overseas missions to represent the U.S. to the rest of the world.
He truly represents The American Dream:
Keyes is unsurpassed as an intellect, orator, and a man of faith, as well as being an example to all the world what anyone, anywhere, from any background, can achieve when given free will and liberty. 
Keyes can attract all races, all the while speaking out on the evils of "affirmative action" and 'class privelage' vs excellence derived from personal achievement rooted in American culture and Western heritage.
Even illegal immigrants will be inspired by a Huckabee / Keyes ticket, because they will be inspired to want to either return home and work for Mexico's betterment, or be so desirous of America's promise that they will desire to undertake the legal procedures for American citizenship just the same as any other applicants.
The ones here with families seeking only the opportunity to improve their lives through hard work and family values don't want to hear about 'handout programs' or amnesty, and there are more of these Mexicans here than there are those who 'undesirables'.
The good aliens would make excellent citizens of the U.S.A......we can deport the others and have an Executive Branch which will stand firm in their dealings with our southern neighboring countries.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Then, after winning, Paul might make a great Treasury Secretary (he has long served on Treasury subcommittees).
He wants to rid us of the Federal Reserve / IRS, and believes in fiscal responsibility and national sovereignty.
His life is scandal free and he is an honorable public servant.
Since no one man alone could be President and focus on one truly needed reform program, Paul would be excellent in working to bring our Treasury Department back in line with the intent of the Constitution.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Rudy is as equally weak as a contender as he is strong in other areas.
Perhaps he might be more effective as a Secretary of State, or UN Ambassador?
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Tancredo could be appointed Head of Immigration / Border Security / Processing of illegal aliens for deportment.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Duncan Hunter would make an excellent Defense Department Secretary...eliminating waste and fraud, rebuilding our defense capabilities to once again be far ahead of any other country and truly able and willing to defend American interests anywhere in the world should the need arise.
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Hillary / Obama / all the rest of the Democrat contenders, in comparison to a Huckabee / Keyes ticket, appear to be a team of weaklings with no stature, no moral compass, no intellect, nothing to offer except demagoguery for socialism aimed towards society's lowest common denominators.


until paragraph two when you mentioned Ron Paul, i had a tear in my eye...
Title: Re: Huckabee is the best candidate on Israel.
Post by: RationalThought110 on December 05, 2007, 01:53:58 PM



until paragraph two when you mentioned Ron Paul, i had a tear in my eye...

He's correct about Paul; that he's against the IRS.
Title: Re: Huckabee is the best candidate on Israel.
Post by: Dr. Dan on December 05, 2007, 02:20:44 PM



until paragraph two when you mentioned Ron Paul, i had a tear in my eye...

He's correct about Paul; that he's against the IRS.


He's a nazi..no nazis allowed.
Title: Re: Huckabee is the best candidate on Israel.
Post by: MarZutra on December 05, 2007, 05:23:53 PM
Spot on MassuhD.  Perhaps there could be public hangings of those still living that have been leading America into economic mysery, societal decay, open borders and the expansion of socialism?
Title: Re: Huckabee is the best candidate on Israel.
Post by: MassuhDGoodName on December 05, 2007, 10:54:01 PM
Dr. Dan:  "...He's [Ron Paul] a nazi..no nazis allowed..."

First off, I don't call other persons with whom I may not disagree a "nazi" unless they worship Adolph Hitler, and follow or join the National Socialist Parties of whichever country in which they reside.

Ron Paul is not a Nazi.

Believe me...I was educated by and raised among many genuine Nazis and genuine KKK members.

I want you all know-nothing jew-boys reading this to google Navy Admiral John Crommelin...you will find that he remains today one of the most highly respected WWII war heroes.

I remember walking home from grammar school, turning on the TV, and watching and hearing Admiral John Crommelin, Ret. U.S. Navy, ranting and raving for an entire hour of TV time he had purchased, that "THE JEW WAS OF SATAN...THE JEWS MURDERED G-D!...MOST JEWS ARE COMMUNISTS...LAWS MUST BE PASSED MAKING IT ILLEGAL TO BE BORN JEW!".

While you bigshot "saviours of Israel" are at it, google General John Patton, WWII hero.

You can read how he refused to let the concentration camp Jews free after liberation.

General Patton, in his personal diary, wrote this passage:  "One thing is for certain"..."The Jew is lower than any animal, and must NEVER be allowed to leave these camps and return to Germany".

Word of General Patton's brutal mistreatment of the surviving Jews in liberated Death Camps led General Eisenhower to personally intervene by making a trip to the concentration camps to dress down the great war hero.

Those Jews advocating Israel's surrendering land to Terrorists constantly denounce Rabbi Kahane (of Blessed Memory) and Chaim Ben Pesach as "nazis".

Meanwhile, of course, your State, Local, and Federal Governments are riddled from top to bottom with genuine Nazis and Nazi sympathizers.

Congoleeza just publicly humiliated the entire Jewish nation as well as the entire Jewish State at Annapolis.

So did President Bush.

The "darling" of the Democrats, the Clintons, did more harm to the Jewish people during the Clinton Presidency than did all the Nazis and Terrorists combined.

Yet, Ron Paul, who has done nothing to harm the Jewish people, and as well has done nothing to help the Jewish people, HE you call a Nazi.

Time for you and others of your thinking to grow your pre-pubescent butts up, cancel your cable subscriptions, smash each and every I-pod, cell phone and other tools of the devil, and start educating yourself.

Rabbi Meir Kahane always taught that the biggest mistake Jews in America have always made is to immediately side with those with whom we actually have no commonality, and he always said that the only true friends of the American Jews were the common simple people who work and have faith and believe in America.

Rabbi Kahane taught that even though many of them knew little of Jews or had unfavorable views of Jews, they would come to our defense on the basis of their ingrained belief in Human Rights and Freedom of Religion.

So, continue on with your frivolous and immature slandering of others about whom you obviously know not a thing.

It lets me know exactly (if anywhere) you stand on matters of actual life or death for the Jewish people here and in Israel.

And make no mistake about it, "business as usual" in Washington after the election will mean the final elimination of the State of Israel from the map, with televised CNN color broadcasts from Jerusalem of Jews being raped and having their heads cut off.

Jews can ill afford another candidate who promises one thing and then delivers "business as usual after the election".

Title: Re: Huckabee is the best candidate on Israel.
Post by: Dr. Dan on December 05, 2007, 11:00:41 PM
Dr. Dan:  "...He's [Ron Paul] a nazi..no nazis allowed..."

First off, I don't call other persons with whom I may not disagree a "nazi" unless they worship Adolph Hitler, and follow or join the National Socialist Parties of whichever country in which they reside.

Ron Paul is not a Nazi.

Believe me...I was educated by and raised among many genuine Nazis and genuine KKK members.

I want you all know-nothing jew-boys reading this to google Navy Admiral John Crommelin...you will find that he remains today one of the most highly respected WWII war heroes.

I remember walking home from grammar school, turning on the TV, and watching and hearing Admiral John Crommelin, Ret. U.S. Navy, ranting and raving for an entire hour of TV time he had purchased, that "THE JEW WAS OF SATAN...THE JEWS MURDERED G-D!...MOST JEWS ARE COMMUNISTS...LAWS MUST BE PASSED MAKING IT ILLEGAL TO BE BORN JEW!".

While you bigshot "saviours of Israel" are at it, google General John Patton, WWII hero.

You can read how he refused to let the concentration camp Jews free after liberation.

General Patton, in his personal diary, wrote this passage:  "One thing is for certain"..."The Jew is lower than any animal, and must NEVER be allowed to leave these camps and return to Germany".

Word of General Patton's brutal mistreatment of the surviving Jews in liberated Death Camps led General Eisenhower to personally intervene by making a trip to the concentration camps to dress down the great war hero.

Those Jews advocating Israel's surrendering land to Terrorists constantly denounce Rabbi Kahane (of Blessed Memory) and Chaim Ben Pesach as "nazis".

Meanwhile, of course, your State, Local, and Federal Governments are riddled from top to bottom with genuine Nazis and Nazi sympathizers.

Congoleeza just publicly humiliated the entire Jewish nation as well as the entire Jewish State at Annapolis.

So did President Bush.

The "darling" of the Democrats, the Clintons, did more harm to the Jewish people during the Clinton Presidency than did all the Nazis and Terrorists combined.

Yet, Ron Paul, who has done nothing to harm the Jewish people, and as well has done nothing to help the Jewish people, HE you call a Nazi.

Time for you and others of your thinking to grow your pre-pubescent butts up, cancel your cable subscriptions, smash each and every I-pod, cell phone and other tools of the devil, and start educating yourself.

Rabbi Meir Kahane always taught that the biggest mistake Jews in America have always made is to immediately side with those with whom we actually have no commonality, and he always said that the only true friends of the American Jews were the common simple people who work and have faith and believe in America.

Rabbi Kahane taught that even though many of them knew little of Jews or had unfavorable views of Jews, they would come to our defense on the basis of their ingrained belief in Human Rights and Freedom of Religion.

So, continue on with your frivolous and immature slandering of others about whom you obviously know not a thing.

It lets me know exactly (if anywhere) you stand on matters of actual life or death for the Jewish people here and in Israel.

And make no mistake about it, "business as usual" in Washington after the election will mean the final elimination of the State of Israel from the map, with televised CNN color broadcasts from Jerusalem of Jews being raped and having their heads cut off.

Jews can ill afford another candidate who promises one thing and then delivers "business as usual after the election".




I'm sorry, I have to really disagree with you and your waste of intellect to attempt to offend me did nothing to prove your point.

I'm also not pre-pubescent as you called me...

Ron Paul is anti-semetic...he might become an enabler to Iran to aquire nukes.  He is supported by neo-Nazis and Størm Frønt and all these other supremecist movements and is proud of it! HE does not denounce them.

SO yes, to me he's a Nazi or like a Nazi...

You're rant and rave is very uncharacteristic of you Massuah...You defend Ron Paul like he's your father!!!!


and it's not a matter of someone who disagrees with me..I disagree wtih a lot of people here on a lot of things..they aren't nazis...nor I would be the last person to say someone left of me is a nazi..

But Ron Paul...libertarian as he might be and against income taxes...on other issues, is anti-semetic..anti-Israel...and I dont' want a fool like that who curses Israel to be in any govt position and sent to Antartica and live with hungry Polar Bears literally!!!
Title: Re: Huckabee is the best candidate on Israel.
Post by: Dr. Dan on December 05, 2007, 11:12:48 PM
yes massuah...use your powerful intellect to refute me...you are writing a lot right now..I can tell...
Title: Re: Huckabee is the best candidate on Israel.
Post by: MassuhDGoodName on December 05, 2007, 11:15:36 PM
When you learn how to spell S-E-M-I-T-I-C properly, try writing another unlearned repeat that "to YOU" he's a nazi and so that's all that matters.

Those destroying the State of Israel you completely overlook, but you will attack me and slander others and INSINUATE that they will hurt Israel if ever elected.

Someone drop you on your HEAD at birth?

Or is it just that "you can't see the forest for the trees"?

I defend Congressman Ron Paul from your false assertion that he is a Nazi, just as I defend Meir Kahane and Chaim Ben Pesach from false assertion by the United States State Department that "Kahanism and JDL and all derived from it are Terrorist Organizations".

Still, you just can't "get it" so I leave you with this adage:

"A wise man doesn't need advice, and a fool doesn't heed advice".
Title: Re: Huckabee is the best candidate on Israel.
Post by: MassuhDGoodName on December 05, 2007, 11:36:16 PM
"...use your powerful intellect to refute me...you are writing a lot right now..I can tell..."

It's good for you and good for the forum.

Consider it "MassuhD's Accuracy In Media".

Simply prove to me with documentation that someone, candidate or not, supports Adolph Hitler, and/or attended Nazi Party meetings or even KKK or Aryan Nations meetings, and I will be the first to denounce them as a Nazi.
But most gentiles I have known of were not Jews, and the majority of those who were not Jews were unconcerned with Jews.
They simply could care less about tiny minorities from a different historical and religious background than their own.
And that very largely shared viewpoint of your "average Joe" does not make them a Nazi or even a Jew-Hater.
I simply fail to understand why some believe that a Jew-neutral or even a Jew-unfriendly person can do harm to Israel, because I believe that Israel should have long ago bombed Iran off the map, and given the 'finger' to the entire world if they didn't like it.
Israel was founded by those whose ideology was that only the Jew and only the Jew alone could determine the Jewish Peoples' future and physically defend the Jewish People.
So, I ask my fellow Jews...Why are you the least bit concerned about a people and state who won't do what it is right and proper for themselves?
Why aren't you Jews attacking any and all Jews willing to give up our collective inheritance and Biblical Birthright (Eretz Yisrael) on the demands of those non-Jews working overtime day and night to eliminate the State of Israel and destroy Judaism?
I, believe it or not, do not in the least enjoy exchanging written "barbs" with others on the forum.
They all have their opinions, as do I, but I have never started calling others "names" or tagging them with "labels" just because they differ in their viewpoints.
Let the Jews defend the Jews!
Let Israel fight the wars of the Middle East...be they pre-emptive or defensive!
Or...do we continue to travel out of our little "shtetl" to visit the tall handsome gentiles to ask them to "Please save us, because we are such helpless victims and we are persecuted!"? ("and if you don't, then that means you're a 'nazi'")
Title: Re: Huckabee is the best candidate on Israel.
Post by: Dr. Dan on December 05, 2007, 11:37:40 PM
When you learn how to spell S-E-M-I-T-I-C properly, try writing another unlearned repeat that "to YOU" he's a nazi and so that's all that matters.

Those destroying the State of Israel you completely overlook, but you will attack me and slander others and INSINUATE that they will hurt Israel if ever elected.

Someone drop you on your HEAD at birth?

Or is it just that "you can't see the forest for the trees"?

I defend Congressman Ron Paul from your false assertion that he is a Nazi, just as I defend Meir Kahane and Chaim Ben Pesach from false assertion by the United States State Department that "Kahanism and JDL and all derived from it are Terrorist Organizations".

Still, you just can't "get it" so I leave you with this adage:

"A wise man doesn't need advice, and a fool doesn't heed advice".


1. Semitic...oops typo...
2. You're the one who started calling me names. Not me.
3. You defend Ron Paul as you defend Kahanism and the JDL like a true liberal would defend Black Panthers speech, Nazi speech, KKK speech, and Islamic speech for the sake of free speech. Just because one supports a righteous group and a righteous person doesn't make it OK when that same person supports someone who, TO ME, is very evil.  It makes me think that you have an ulterior motive in mind that disagrees with what is moral to me and to JTF as a movement, like it did with Allen-T.  Remember him?  He supported JTF, while he supported evil actions against the Jewish religion and Jewish people.  YOU SUPPORT A MAN WHO HAS A PHILOSOPHY, THAT IF HE BECOMES MAINSTREAM AND POPULAR, GD FORBID, CAN DESTROY THIS COUNTRY AND PERHAPS, DAMAGE THE REST OF THE WORLD!!!! So ask yourself, who's mom dropped who on THEIR head when they were little? Massuah, it's black and white to me that you are a WAY OFF!!!  And you are COMPLETELY OUT OF LINE with your reaction to me of how I personally feel about Ron Paul. I simply said that he was a Nazi and that I didn't like him, and you went off on a tirade that I'm pre-pubescent and some spoiled teenager.  And you have the nerve to insult ME!? You were raised and "educated by what you say "Genuine KKK and Nazis"?!  Am I reading that correctly? You put the word genuine next to "KKK and Nazis"! Yah...I think someone here on this forum with 1600 posts like Allen-T lost his marbles if there were any there to begin with...Buddy, I know who I'm arguing with. You are certainly educated..but you are very WRONG in every single way!!!
3. Thank you for that adage...you describe yourself extremely well as that FOOL!
Title: Re: Huckabee is the best candidate on Israel.
Post by: Dr. Dan on December 05, 2007, 11:40:12 PM
"...use your powerful intellect to refute me...you are writing a lot right now..I can tell..."

It's good for you and good for the forum.

Consider it "MassuhD's Accuracy In Media".

Simply prove to me with documentation that someone, candidate or not, supports Adolph Hitler, and/or attended Nazi Party meetings or even KKK or Aryan Nations meetings, and I will be the first to denounce them as a Nazi.
But most gentiles I have known of were not Jews, and the majority of those who were not Jews were unconcerned with Jews.
They simply could care less about tiny minorities from a different historical and religious background than their own.
And that very largely shared viewpoint of your "average Joe" does not make them a Nazi or even a Jew-Hater.
I simply fail to understand why some believe that a Jew-neutral or even a Jew-unfriendly person can do harm to Israel, because I believe that Israel should have long ago bombed Iran off the map, and given the 'finger' to the entire world if they didn't like it.
Israel was founded by those whose ideology was that only the Jew and only the Jew alone could determine the Jewish Peoples' future and physically defend the Jewish People.
So, I ask my fellow Jews...Why are you the least bit concerned about a people and state who won't do what it is right and proper for themselves?
Why aren't you Jews attacking any and all Jews willing to give up our collective inheritance and Biblical Birthright (Eretz Yisrael) on the demands of those non-Jews working overtime day and night to eliminate the State of Israel and destroy Judaism?
I, believe it or not, do not in the least enjoy exchanging written "barbs" with others on the forum.
They all have their opinions, as do I, but I have never started calling others "names" or tagging them with "labels" just because they differ in their viewpoints.
Let the Jews defend the Jews!
Let Israel fight the wars of the Middle East...be they pre-emptive or defensive!
Or...do we continue to travel out of our little "shtetl" to visit the tall handsome gentiles to ask them to "Please save us, because we are such helpless victims and we are persecuted!"? ("and if you don't, then that means you're a 'nazi'")

I think you are preaching the very choir that is saying the same thing you just wrote...where have you been? Do you suffer amnesia or something? We do attack the very Israeli govt that acts too  nice to her enemies. Are you in the right forum right now? Ummm...Did you forget to take your medicine?

Title: Re: Huckabee is the best candidate on Israel.
Post by: Dr. Dan on December 05, 2007, 11:57:49 PM
When you learn how to spell S-E-M-I-T-I-C properly, try writing another unlearned repeat that "to YOU" he's a nazi and so that's all that matters.

Those destroying the State of Israel you completely overlook, but you will attack me and slander others and INSINUATE that they will hurt Israel if ever elected.

Someone drop you on your HEAD at birth?

Or is it just that "you can't see the forest for the trees"?

I defend Congressman Ron Paul from your false assertion that he is a Nazi, just as I defend Meir Kahane and Chaim Ben Pesach from false assertion by the United States State Department that "Kahanism and JDL and all derived from it are Terrorist Organizations".

Still, you just can't "get it" so I leave you with this adage:

"A wise man doesn't need advice, and a fool doesn't heed advice".


1. Semitic...oops typo...
2. You're the one who started calling me names. Not me.
3. You defend Ron Paul as you defend Kahanism and the JDL like a true liberal would defend Black Panthers speech, Nazi speech, KKK speech, and Islamic speech for the sake of free speech. Just because one supports a righteous group and a righteous person doesn't make it OK when that same person supports someone who, TO ME, is very evil.  It makes me think that you have an ulterior motive in mind that disagrees with what is moral to me and to JTF as a movement, like it did with Allen-T.  Remember him?  He supported JTF, while he supported evil actions against the Jewish religion and Jewish people.  YOU SUPPORT A MAN WHO HAS A PHILOSOPHY, THAT IF HE BECOMES MAINSTREAM AND POPULAR, GD FORBID, CAN DESTROY THIS COUNTRY AND PERHAPS, DAMAGE THE REST OF THE WORLD!!!! So ask yourself, who's mom dropped who on THEIR head when they were little? Massuah, it's black and white to me that you are a WAY OFF!!!  And you are COMPLETELY OUT OF LINE with your reaction to me of how I personally feel about Ron Paul. I simply said that he was a Nazi and that I didn't like him, and you went off on a tirade that I'm pre-pubescent and some spoiled teenager.  And you have the nerve to insult ME!? You were raised and "educated by what you say "Genuine KKK and Nazis"?!  Am I reading that correctly? You put the word genuine next to "KKK and Nazis"! Yah...I think someone here on this forum with 1600 posts like Allen-T lost his marbles if there were any there to begin with...Buddy, I know who I'm arguing with. You are certainly educated..but you are very WRONG in every single way!!!
3. Thank you for that adage...you describe yourself extremely well as that FOOL!



I'll just be waiting for you to refute my very point of how in the world you could put the word "genuine" next to Nazi and KKK...I don't get it...If you can establish that, then I will take any argument you have to say into consideration..otherwise...you seriously forgot to take your medication and remind me terribly of Allen-T.
Title: Re: Huckabee is the best candidate on Israel.
Post by: RationalThought110 on December 06, 2007, 12:36:01 AM


1. Semitic...oops typo...
2. You're the one who started calling me names. Not me.
3. You defend Ron Paul as you defend Kahanism and the JDL like a true liberal would defend Black Panthers speech, Nazi speech, KKK speech, and Islamic speech for the sake of free speech. Just because one supports a righteous group and a righteous person doesn't make it OK when that same person supports someone who, TO ME, is very evil.  It makes me think that you have an ulterior motive in mind that disagrees with what is moral to me and to JTF as a movement, like it did with Allen-T.  Remember him?  He supported JTF, while he supported evil actions against the Jewish religion and Jewish people.  YOU SUPPORT A MAN WHO HAS A PHILOSOPHY, THAT IF HE BECOMES MAINSTREAM AND POPULAR, GD FORBID, CAN DESTROY THIS COUNTRY AND PERHAPS, DAMAGE THE REST OF THE WORLD!!!! So ask yourself, who's mom dropped who on THEIR head when they were little? Massuah, it's black and white to me that you are a WAY OFF!!!  And you are COMPLETELY OUT OF LINE with your reaction to me of how I personally feel about Ron Paul. I simply said that he was a Nazi and that I didn't like him, and you went off on a tirade that I'm pre-pubescent and some spoiled teenager.  And you have the nerve to insult ME!? You were raised and "educated by what you say "Genuine KKK and Nazis"?!  Am I reading that correctly? You put the word genuine next to "KKK and Nazis"! Yah...I think someone here on this forum with 1600 posts like Allen-T lost his marbles if there were any there to begin with...Buddy, I know who I'm arguing with. You are certainly educated..but you are very WRONG in every single way!!!
3. Thank you for that adage...you describe yourself extremely well as that FOOL!



But isn't the country already being destroyed with open borders and the fall decline of the dollar and the establishments intent on a NAU? 
Title: Re: Huckabee is the best candidate on Israel.
Post by: MassuhDGoodName on December 06, 2007, 01:46:24 AM
Re:  Dr. Dan

Dr. Dan,
Your reply is incoherent, rambling, accusatory, never once makes so much as one valid point.
Now you feel that I have some sort of "ulterior motive"...
Sounds like a 'paranoid delusion'.
Why of all things to suddenly mention Allen-T, someone with no JTF affiliation, as well as someone with no connection to the subject of discussion at hand...and then to immediately equate my views as being so unacceptable to you, yourself, that to you that must mean that I am exactly like Allen-T?
You're thought patterns are incoherent.
You have an addled mind, seemingly incapable of focusing on one subject.
For anyone of any political stripe to waste time and words on you is futile.
However, what's tragic is that you are incapable of debating any opponent and are incapable of representing JTF on the public podium if and when the time should come to debate our opponents.
I honestly could care less what you think about me.
Enjoy the New World Order...it was custom made just for you.

Title: Re: Huckabee is the best candidate on Israel.
Post by: Dr. Dan on December 06, 2007, 08:25:21 AM
Re:  Dr. Dan

Dr. Dan,
Your reply is incoherent, rambling, accusatory, never once makes so much as one valid point.
Now you feel that I have some sort of "ulterior motive"...
Sounds like a 'paranoid delusion'.
Why of all things to suddenly mention Allen-T, someone with no JTF affiliation, as well as someone with no connection to the subject of discussion at hand...and then to immediately equate my views as being so unacceptable to you, yourself, that to you that must mean that I am exactly like Allen-T?
You're thought patterns are incoherent.
You have an addled mind, seemingly incapable of focusing on one subject.
For anyone of any political stripe to waste time and words on you is futile.
However, what's tragic is that you are incapable of debating any opponent and are incapable of representing JTF on the public podium if and when the time should come to debate our opponents.
I honestly could care less what you think about me.
Enjoy the New World Order...it was custom made just for you.



You idiot!!! you equate genuineness with with Nazis and KKK people!!! I'm waiting....
Title: Re: Huckabee is the best candidate on Israel.
Post by: MarZutra on December 06, 2007, 11:04:22 AM
I must say that as one whom has knowledge in Geo-Politics and is fairly learned on history I am very much enjoying this little debate MassuhD and Dr. Dan.  I can see and understand MassuhD's take as well Dr. Dan's but more pointedly Rationalthought little add-on. 

Ron Paul, which I don't believe is personally a Nazi but do not understand some of his beliefs, would not do as much damage to America as the Establishment has done since Woodrow Wilson.  If anything, his Libertarianism would direct America back to what it was founded as: A Constitutional Rebublic not a Democracy like Socialist Canada or its current: Oligarchy. 

Hypothetically speaking, if Dr. Dan, MassuhD or ol-MarZutra was politically active for a number of years and threw his hat into the ring for candidacy for the Presidency on the platform of closing the borders, ending “free trade’, expel all illegal aliens, end “foreign aid”, end income tax and investigate the Federal Reserve and its affiliates and taking a more isolationist approach……etc. I’m very much sure that the StørmFrønt, Nazis and every other racially bigoted group would lend their full support. 

MassuhD makes good points in that Paul is, to my knowledge, not a member and unassociated with any of these Nazi-like groups.  Even Herr Schickelgruber was a member of the NSDAP.  I personally, feel that Ron Paul is good on some issues and questionable, as RationalThought outlined to me, on others but I highly doubt Mr. Paul would be another Adolf Shitler.  Perhaps if he was elected he’d take down the Elitists and the Jewish Anti-Jews like Soros or Kissenger and for that would be blessed with Kiddush HaShem…. ;-)

My 2 cents… 
Title: Re: Huckabee is the best candidate on Israel.
Post by: Dr. Dan on December 06, 2007, 11:26:10 AM


1. Semitic...oops typo...
2. You're the one who started calling me names. Not me.
3. You defend Ron Paul as you defend Kahanism and the JDL like a true liberal would defend Black Panthers speech, Nazi speech, KKK speech, and Islamic speech for the sake of free speech. Just because one supports a righteous group and a righteous person doesn't make it OK when that same person supports someone who, TO ME, is very evil.  It makes me think that you have an ulterior motive in mind that disagrees with what is moral to me and to JTF as a movement, like it did with Allen-T.  Remember him?  He supported JTF, while he supported evil actions against the Jewish religion and Jewish people.  YOU SUPPORT A MAN WHO HAS A PHILOSOPHY, THAT IF HE BECOMES MAINSTREAM AND POPULAR, GD FORBID, CAN DESTROY THIS COUNTRY AND PERHAPS, DAMAGE THE REST OF THE WORLD!!!! So ask yourself, who's mom dropped who on THEIR head when they were little? Massuah, it's black and white to me that you are a WAY OFF!!!  And you are COMPLETELY OUT OF LINE with your reaction to me of how I personally feel about Ron Paul. I simply said that he was a Nazi and that I didn't like him, and you went off on a tirade that I'm pre-pubescent and some spoiled teenager.  And you have the nerve to insult ME!? You were raised and "educated by what you say "Genuine KKK and Nazis"?!  Am I reading that correctly? You put the word genuine next to "KKK and Nazis"! Yah...I think someone here on this forum with 1600 posts like Allen-T lost his marbles if there were any there to begin with...Buddy, I know who I'm arguing with. You are certainly educated..but you are very WRONG in every single way!!!
3. Thank you for that adage...you describe yourself extremely well as that FOOL!



But isn't the country already being destroyed with open borders and the fall decline of the dollar and the establishments intent on a NAU? 


Listen actual KKK and Neo-nazis are not the immediate threat...You're right..open borders and Islam are the immediate threat. But that doesn't mean we side wtih those Nazis who are ALSO against Muslims..
Title: Re: Huckabee is the best candidate on Israel.
Post by: Dr. Dan on December 06, 2007, 11:28:21 AM
I must say that as one whom has knowledge in Geo-Politics and is fairly learned on history I am very much enjoying this little debate MassuhD and Dr. Dan.  I can see and understand MassuhD's take as well Dr. Dan's but more pointedly Rationalthought little add-on. 

Ron Paul, which I don't believe is personally a Nazi but do not understand some of his beliefs, would not do as much damage to America as the Establishment has done since Woodrow Wilson.  If anything, his Libertarianism would direct America back to what it was founded as: A Constitutional Rebublic not a Democracy like Socialist Canada or its current: Oligarchy. 

Hypothetically speaking, if Dr. Dan, MassuhD or ol-MarZutra was politically active for a number of years and threw his hat into the ring for candidacy for the Presidency on the platform of closing the borders, ending “free trade’, expel all illegal aliens, end “foreign aid”, end income tax and investigate the Federal Reserve and its affiliates and taking a more isolationist approach……etc. I’m very much sure that the StørmFrønt, Nazis and every other racially bigoted group would lend their full support. 

MassuhD makes good points in that Paul is, to my knowledge, not a member and unassociated with any of these Nazi-like groups.  Even Herr Schickelgruber was a member of the NSDAP.  I personally, feel that Ron Paul is good on some issues and questionable, as RationalThought outlined to me, on others but I highly doubt Mr. Paul would be another Adolf Shitler.  Perhaps if he was elected he’d take down the Elitists and the Jewish Anti-Jews like Soros or Kissenger and for that would be blessed with Kiddush HaShem…. ;-)

My 2 cents… 


I gotchya...got heated in the moment here...

But Paul is no where near a saint...and an evil person is an evil person...but I hear ya...

And i hear you too MassuaD...the insults on me which you started, was unnecessary...
Title: Re: Huckabee is the best candidate on Israel.
Post by: MarZutra on December 06, 2007, 11:53:51 AM
I agree with you Dr. Dan.  The sad fact is any "good" individual will never be able to run for the Presidency.  It would take an act of G-d for something like that to happen as America, like Israel and Britian are oligarchies now.  If a true good person came through that person would get destroyed like Barry Goldwater did in 64 or the Elites would toss in another "Republican" candidate to split the vote. 

It is all one big sham in my opinion.  As Savage says.  A choice between diet Pepsi and diet Coke.  I mean how does any system allow millions of criminals to continue to stay within their borders or leave the borders open....or justify such ineptitudes with a farcical "guest worker program".  This is criminality and corruption at the highest level....imo on that one example of many...

Like Israel's Knesset needs to be cleansed so does, in my opinion, American political arena....
Title: Re: Huckabee is the best candidate on Israel.
Post by: Dr. Dan on December 06, 2007, 11:56:17 AM
I agree with you Dr. Dan.  The sad fact is any "good" individual will never be able to run for the Presidency.  It would take an act of G-d for something like that to happen as America, like Israel and Britian are oligarchies now.  If a true good person came through that person would get destroyed like Barry Goldwater did in 64 or the Elites would toss in another "Republican" candidate to split the vote. 

It is all one big sham in my opinion.  As Savage says.  A choice between diet Pepsi and diet Coke.  I mean how does any system allow millions of criminals to continue to stay within their borders or leave the borders open....or justify such ineptitudes with a farcical "guest worker program".  This is criminality and corruption at the highest level....imo on that one example of many...

Like Israel's Knesset needs to be cleansed so does, in my opinion, American political arena....



I agree with you and Massuah brings up that very point in his own words..so on that note, he's right also.
Title: Re: Huckabee is the best candidate on Israel.
Post by: MassuhDGoodName on December 06, 2007, 09:37:33 PM
To Dr. Dan & others,

Let's bury the hatchet.

It's time consuming and unproductive.

I've got a right to get furious and sling some cr*p every now & then, which isn't very often.

Deal?
Title: Re: Huckabee is the best candidate on Israel.
Post by: MarZutra on December 06, 2007, 09:47:22 PM
Deal.  Now get to work on the Save Israel section...LOL ;)
Title: Re: Huckabee is the best candidate on Israel.
Post by: Dr. Dan on December 06, 2007, 10:51:59 PM
To Dr. Dan & others,

Let's bury the hatchet.

It's time consuming and unproductive.

I've got a right to get furious and sling some cr*p every now & then, which isn't very often.

Deal?

It's a deal, buddy! All is forgotten..

See? Isn't this nice? :)