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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Dr. Dan on December 10, 2007, 10:32:30 PM
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Yes, hit me with bat...we are obsessed..but we have more members so just curious again..
As far as Australoids, I'm not talking about peopel born in Australia, but who are native to Australia like cherokee and iriquois are pretty much native in North America
Also wanted to differentiate between non Jewish Whites and Jewish Whites since we tend to want to identify with being semetic...
I would say Hawaiin, Guam, Philipino and anyone with slanty eyes shoudl go under the far eastern race.
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Jewish!
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Jewish!
that's why I put white Jews as a separate group. face it..we come from the same fathers and mothers..but 2000 years of being separate of made us look very different even though we believe and act similarly...so let's put aside the culture and religion as much as possible and identify with what we look like genetically while as Jews, keeping our pride of having come from semites way back when.
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The whole semite vs caucasoid thing is a false dillema. Semites are a linguistic branch of Caucasoids. Classical semties are Mediterraneans.
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Caucasoid Jews and Sephardic Jews are not races. All Jews come from Judea in Israel. The fact that they were exilees in different countries does make them different races.
And regarding Gentiles, I'm fed up with this obssesion about racial origins. It may be interesting in anthropolgy, but not in an idelogical forum!!!!
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The whole semite vs caucasoid thing is a false dillema. Semites are a linguistic branch of Caucasoids. Classical semties are Mediterraneans.
you're probably right..but what would middle eastern be put under? I think the original civilization was in Mesoptamian
I mean what I have learned is the following: The original civilzations are Peking, Java, Hindis, Mesoptemian, and a few others that I can't think of.
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Caucasoid Jews and Sephardic Jews are not races. All Jews come from Judea in Israel. The fact that they were exilees in different countries does make them different races.
And regarding Gentiles, I'm fed up with this obssesion about racial origins. It may be interesting in anthropolgy, but not in an idelogical forum!!!!
That's what I'm looking at...the anthropological association...
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I once heard someone said, that Indains(of india), are actually caucasian?
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Boeregeneraal: "... once heard someone said, that Indains(of india), are actually caucasian?..."
Originally were Indo-Aryan light skinned peoples, who migrated down into the sub-continent, displacing the darker-skinned Dravidian populations...pushing them south where today they form the majority subpopulation.
Unless I am mistaken, the Indo-Aryans were and are of Caucasoid descent.
India was also invaded eleven times by Turkic Muslims from Afghanistan, who remained and mixed with the Indian populations.
Unless I am mistaken, even these Turkic peoples are of Caucasoid stock.
Today there are few if any "pure" unmixed ethnicities or races to be found.
It all got ruined when the first "traveling salesman" hit the road to Khatmandu.
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I'm fed up with this obssesion about racial origins. It may be interesting in anthropolgy, but not in an idelogical forum!!!!
Raul, I think you are calling the kettle black, as you feel that indigenous people in the Americas are ALWAYS in the right.
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I'm fed up with this obssesion about racial origins. It may be interesting in anthropolgy, but not in an idelogical forum!!!!
Raul, I think you are calling the kettle black, as you feel that indigenous people in the Americas are ALWAYS in the right.
here here!
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Amerindians are different ethnical native groups, not races. Don't confuse ethnicity with race. My family is from Sassary in the Cerdegna Island in Italy, so we are ethnically Italian, but remember that many Phoenicians lived in that Island, so noone can be sure about race, except by an DNA exam.
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I am going with other 8;)
Because half the people don't really know who they are, so I prefer not to be grouped with multi culturalists.
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Amerindians are different ethnical native groups, not races. Don't confuse ethnicity with race. My family is from Sassary in the Cerdegna Island in Italy, so we are ethnically Italian, but remember that many Phoenicians lived in that Island, so noone can be sure about race, except by an DNA exam.
This whole race stuff is starting to get a bit boring. Anyways, I know a thing or two on Anthropology since I've taken many courses at college about cultural and biological anthropology which included some of these terms. I have mixed feelings on Evolution and lean more to believing in the righteous Biblical people and G-d and how this all turned out. Some of the classes were way too liberal for me and glad I finished taking them.
I don't know why this whole race stuff comes up on the forum. I just can't see Apes evolving as Humans, but that can be discussed in another thread. Well, I guess some people are interested in taxonomy on the forum about the world's people it seems. Some of the Anthropological concepts and Population Genetic concepts are far-fetched, complex and some hard to believe.
You can belong to a larger taxonomy of people like Mongoloid but there are differences inside the wider spectrums such as Mongoloid. For example, American Indians, South American Indians, and Siberians are in the Mongoloid spectrum but they aren't necessarily the same as East Asians, such as Chinese or Japanese, yet they are grouped under "Mongoloid" with East Asians.
Some Contact races have come together in the last 500 years and are considered their own people. Although in some cases Contact Races have a predominant tendency toward a Taxonomic group such as Caucasoid, Mongoloid, Negroid, Australoid or Capoid.
Some indigenous peoples show and have affinities with people of larger taxonomic groups such as f.e. Mongoloid, others are their own group like Australoid.
White isn't a clear term. People have their own definition of White. The terms which group similar peoples into Mongoloid, Caucasoid, Contact Races (f.e. Mongoloid-Caucasoid) etc. is pretty clear.
Taxonomy in the wider sense:
Caucasoid = Peoples of Europe, North Africa, Western Asia and parts of India. (Semeticoid (Middle East/Sephardic/Persian/Afghani/Bukharian-Uzebek/Tajik/Azer/Turk/Tajik/North Africa non really black people etc etc)) Hindisoid (Like Indians/Paki/Sri Lankan etc) and Gypsies. Some Indians have Australoid influence especially in central and southern India. Australoid variants that survived in parts of Asia so they are apparently a group of their own. Some Gypsies also have old Australoid traits since they originated in India, but they are mainly Caucasoid.
Australoid = Australoid with perhaps indigenous variation or variants.
Mongoloid = East Asia, Pacific Islanders, Indians, Cherokee/Aztec/Mayan etc/Native North Americanoid (American Indians are in the Mongoloid spectrum, some have more Caucasoid tendencies due to the European influence on American Indians, there are also Black Indians from African-Americans).
Negroid = Africanoid (Yo Yo whazzup, pretty much black, does not include Morrocans, Lybians, or anywhere in North Africa)
Contact Races = Mulattos, Brazilians, Mutts, Hawaiians, Philipinos, Negritos etc. and other peoples are contact races meaning they have tendencies and influence from Mongoloid, Caucasoid, Negroid, or Australoid peoples. Polynesians are more Mongoloid for the most apart. In a way Polynesians are in between Mongoloid, Australoid and Caucasoid, but mainly Caucasoid and Mongoloid.
Javaoid/Indonesianoid are mainly Mongoloid, with others having tendencies and influence from Caucasoid or Mongoloids in a way they are also like contact races.
Most Contact Races have their own specific phenotype due to the mixture and the way everything turned out. In a way, I guess you could say it is now an indigenous Biological mixture, but thats a bit skeptical. Some people in Contact Races show more traits and tendencies towards Caucasoids, Mongoloids etc.
Other = At most probably Contact Races or individuals that aren't sure what they are.
There is also controversy whether there is a Capoid race. It appears to be becoming extinct and absorbed in the Sub-Saharan Negroid people. Most of these terms are outdated and no longer in use, though in some circumstances like forensic anthropology etc. they are still used for taxonomy or murder cases. Most of these were coined by the Anthropologists such as the racist Carlton S. Coon and a few other racist European Physical Anthropologists along with the Nazis in Germany, who in general had their own crazy racial agenda and myths, who were against race mixing. The Nazis invented some of the worst Anti-Semetic Dreck propaganda and used Anthropometry, skull craniofacial measuring etc. to determine whether one was "Untermensch" or "Aryan." A smaller head doesn't mean your less intelligent. All of these turned out to be fallacies and historical lies as modern genetics proved this wrong.
Congoid = Negroid or Africanoid
"The term Capoid implies a judgment that they are sufficiently distinct from Congoids to warrant dividing the Negroid race into sub-races. This was originally made on the basis of visible physical features, but more recently genetic studies have shown the Khoisan to be distinct from all other peoples in some genetic markers; there is also a high level of diversity between different Khoisan groups, indicating they separated long ago.
Recently, it has been suggested that the first anatomically modern humans to migrate out of Africa and give rise to modern humans in the rest of the world were similar to the Khoisan. While some genetic markers shared between Khoisan, Ethiopians and non-Africans can be interpreted as supporting this hypothesis, it is anachronistic to identify a modern race with one alive tens of thousands of years ago."
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Boeregeneraal: "... once heard someone said, that Indains(of india), are actually caucasian?..."
Originally were Indo-Aryan light skinned peoples, who migrated down into the sub-continent, displacing the darker-skinned Dravidian populations...pushing them south where today they form the majority subpopulation.
Unless I am mistaken, the Indo-Aryans were and are of Caucasoid descent.
India was also invaded eleven times by Turkic Muslims from Afghanistan, who remained and mixed with the Indian populations.
Unless I am mistaken, even these Turkic peoples are of Caucasoid stock.
Today there are few if any "pure" unmixed ethnicities or races to be found.
It all got ruined when the first "traveling salesman" hit the road to Khatmandu.
nothing got ruined...it was, in fact better, to mix races and mix up the gene pool to prevent redneck marraiges and cause all types of genetic diseases...
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Amerindians are different ethnical native groups, not races. Don't confuse ethnicity with race. My family is from Sassary in the Cerdegna Island in Italy, so we are ethnically Italian, but remember that many Phoenicians lived in that Island, so noone can be sure about race, except by an DNA exam.
This whole race stuff is starting to get a bit boring. Anyways, I know a thing or two on Anthropology since I've taken many courses at college about cultural and biological anthropology which included some of these terms. I have mixed feelings on Evolution and lean more to believing in the righteous Biblical people and G-d and how this all turned out. Some of the classes were way too liberal for me and glad I finished taking them.
I don't know why this whole race stuff comes up on the forum. I just can't see Apes evolving as Humans, but that can be discussed in another thread. Well, I guess some people are interested in taxonomy on the forum about the world's people it seems. Some of the Anthropological concepts and Population Genetic concepts are far-fetched, complex and some hard to believe.
You can belong to a larger taxonomy of people like Mongoloid but there are differences inside the wider spectrums such as Mongoloid. For example, American Indians, South American Indians, and Siberians are in the Mongoloid spectrum but they aren't necessarily the same as East Asians, such as Chinese or Japanese, yet they are grouped under "Mongoloid" with East Asians.
Some Contact races have come together in the last 500 years and are considered their own people. Although in some cases Contact Races have a predominant tendency toward a Taxonomic group such as Caucasoid, Mongoloid, Negroid, Australoid or Capoid.
Some indigenous peoples show and have affinities with people of larger taxonomic groups such as f.e. Mongoloid, others are their own group like Australoid.
White isn't a clear term. People have their own definition of White. The terms which group similar peoples into Mongoloid, Caucasoid, Contact Races (f.e. Mongoloid-Caucasoid) etc. is pretty clear.
Taxonomy in the wider sense:
Caucasoid = Peoples of Europe, North Africa, Western Asia and parts of India. (Semeticoid (Middle East/Sephardic/Persian/Afghani/Bukharian-Uzebek/Tajik/Azer/Turk/Tajik/North Africa non really black people etc etc)) Hindisoid (Like Indians/Paki/Sri Lankan etc) and Gypsies. Some Indians have Australoid influence especially in central and southern India. Australoid variants that survived in parts of Asia so they are apparently a group of their own. Some Gypsies also have old Australoid traits since they originated in India, but they are mainly Caucasoid.
Australoid = Australoid with perhaps indigenous variation or variants.
Mongoloid = East Asia, Pacific Islanders, Indians, Cherokee/Aztec/Mayan etc/Native North Americanoid (American Indians are in the Mongoloid spectrum, some have more Caucasoid tendencies due to the European influence on American Indians, there are also Black Indians from African-Americans).
Negroid = Africanoid (Yo Yo whazzup, pretty much black, does not include Morrocans, Lybians, or anywhere in North Africa)
Contact Races = Mulattos, Brazilians, Mutts, Hawaiians, Philipinos, Negritos etc. and other peoples are contact races meaning they have tendencies and influence from Mongoloid, Caucasoid, Negroid, or Australoid peoples. Polynesians are more Mongoloid for the most apart. In a way Polynesians are in between Mongoloid, Australoid and Caucasoid, but mainly Caucasoid and Mongoloid.
Javaoid/Indonesianoid are mainly Mongoloid, with others having tendencies and influence from Caucasoid or Mongoloids in a way they are also like contact races.
Most Contact Races have their own specific phenotype due to the mixture and the way everything turned out. In a way, I guess you could say it is now an indigenous Biological mixture, but thats a bit skeptical. Some people in Contact Races show more traits and tendencies towards Caucasoids, Mongoloids etc.
Other = At most probably Contact Races or individuals that aren't sure what they are.
There is also controversy whether there is a Capoid race. It appears to be becoming extinct and absorbed in the Sub-Saharan Negroid people. Most of these terms are outdated and no longer in use, though in some circumstances like forensic anthropology etc. they are still used for taxonomy or murder cases. Most of these were coined by the Anthropologists such as the racist Carlton S. Coon and a few other racist European Physical Anthropologists along with the Nazis in Germany, who in general had their own crazy racial agenda and myths, who were against race mixing. The Nazis invented some of the worst Anti-Semetic Dreck propaganda and used Anthropometry, skull craniofacial measuring etc. to determine whether one was "Untermensch" or "Aryan." A smaller head doesn't mean your less intelligent. All of these turned out to be fallacies and historical lies as modern genetics proved this wrong.
Congoid = Negroid or Africanoid
"The term Capoid implies a judgment that they are sufficiently distinct from Congoids to warrant dividing the Negroid race into sub-races. This was originally made on the basis of visible physical features, but more recently genetic studies have shown the Khoisan to be distinct from all other peoples in some genetic markers; there is also a high level of diversity between different Khoisan groups, indicating they separated long ago.
Recently, it has been suggested that the first anatomically modern humans to migrate out of Africa and give rise to modern humans in the rest of the world were similar to the Khoisan. While some genetic markers shared between Khoisan, Ethiopians and non-Africans can be interpreted as supporting this hypothesis, it is anachronistic to identify a modern race with one alive tens of thousands of years ago."
Woa! that's awesome! Can we put this in the dating section? LOL..I like this.
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White, non-Jewish, Caucasoïd.
...And not "Causecoid", as written up there...
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White, non-Jewish, Caucasoïd.
...And not "Causecoid", as written up there...
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just shows you how much i knoe and care lol.
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There is no such thing as " Causecoid Jewish (white semites/non sefardic)". Jews are not white, maybe they have light skin, but the are'nt white. I am of the Semite race, if it's a race ???
Dan, you should open a new topic with this poll instead.