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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: ASHISH on January 02, 2008, 02:03:07 AM
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Even though indians are less than 1 percent of total population 12 percent of all American scientists are of Indian origin; 38 percent of doctors in America are Indian; 36 percent of NASA scientists are Indians; 34 percent of Microsoft employees are Indians; and 28 percent of IBM employees are Indians.Got these facts from another forum
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I am not sure if they are smarter (genetics) it is more of environment and training. There was a good question posed by a Rabbi.
Why do you think the Jewish are perceived as being more smart? Is it due to Genetics or Environment?
Looking forward to the responses this can be a good thread lol.
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From what I heard Ashkenazi Jews have the highest IQ's O0
I guess it's not a Brazilia after all ;D
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From what I heard Ashkenazi Jews have the highest IQ's O0
I guess it's not a Brazilia after all ;D
I think everybody is born with 100IQ, but that can rise or lower, due to the amount of racism.
E.G. blacks have 75 IQ in Africa, but 85 IQ in the USA, the blacks in America get more racism, so they are smarter...
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From what I heard Ashkenazi Jews have the highest IQ's O0
I guess it's not a Brazilia after all ;D
I think everybody is born with 100IQ, but that can rise or lower, due to the amount of racism.
E.G. blacks have 75 IQ in Africa, but 85 IQ in the USA, the blacks in America get more racism, so they are smarter...
Blacks are better at different things such as rapping, sports (running) being famous Democrats. ;D Even most Blacks that are raised in different cultures such as f.e. Europe, Australia, or U.S. still don't perform on average as the same as people their. It makes me realize that they are still trapped with their Black Congo culture and what U.S. black degeneracy media has done to them performing well in different cultures. ::) 8;)
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by the way i am refering to indians frm india and not american indians.
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jews,indians and chinese are smart not because of genes but because they study 18 hours a day
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I think the fact that India had a great history, everybody speaks English, and a compatible culture with ours, make some advantages for Indians to work in the US.
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jews,indians and chinese are smart not because of genes but because they study 18 hours a day
Yup, which on the long creates a smart intelligent culture O0 O0 O0
Those that wish to degenerate, not learn and waste away become primitive like blacks ;)
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jews,indians and chinese are smart not because of genes but because they study 18 hours a day
O0 thats right, hard work and study.
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Well here is 1 Jew who never studied 8 minutes a day :laugh:
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Well here is 1 Jew who never studied 8 minutes a day :laugh:
Yes but thats why you have the job you do :::D instead of calling you Dr Mord.
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Well here is 1 Jew who never studied 8 minutes a day :laugh:
Yes but thats why you have the job you do :::D instead of calling you Dr Mord.
true :::D but i have releatives who are Drs. a urologist and oncologist also an optomoligist all work in very well known hospitals,but i like what i so better ;D ;D ;D O0
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Yes but thats why you have the job you do :::D instead of calling you Dr Mord.
true :::D but i have releatives who are Drs. a urologist and oncologist also an optomoligist all work in very well known hospitals,but i like what i so better ;D ;D ;D O0
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:::D :::D :::D yes, maybe in many ways. Yeah both sets of jobs still work crappy hours. On the plus side you have better toys to play with ^-^
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Even though indians are less than 1 percent of total population 12 percent of all American scientists are of Indian origin; 38 percent of doctors in America are Indian; 36 percent of NASA scientists are Indians; 34 percent of Microsoft employees are Indians; and 28 percent of IBM employees are Indians.Got these facts from another forum
However, I believe many of them have been educated in India and immigrated to the USA in search of better opportunities. India probably has more scientists and engineers than any other nation, and America imports more brains than all other nations combined.
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What strikes me as odd is that India's average IQ is calculated at 81, while in the USA they average around 98-103
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Yes but thats why you have the job you do :::D instead of calling you Dr Mord.
true :::D but i have releatives who are Drs. a urologist and oncologist also an optomoligist all work in very well known hospitals,but i like what i so better ;D ;D ;D O0
:::D :::D :::D yes, maybe in many ways. Yeah both sets of jobs still work crappy hours. On the plus side you have better toys to play with ^-^
[/quote]Yes true although the urologist is a gun collector :-\
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Yes but thats why you have the job you do :::D instead of calling you Dr Mord.
true :::D but i have releatives who are Drs. a urologist and oncologist also an optomoligist all work in very well known hospitals,but i like what i so better ;D ;D ;D O0
:::D :::D :::D yes, maybe in many ways. Yeah both sets of jobs still work crappy hours. On the plus side you have better toys to play with ^-^
Yes true although the urologist is a gun collector :-\
Is he married? ^-^
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My father is a neurosurgeon,his brother is an heart surgeon and my mothers brother is an eye surgeon.My sister is also about to become a doctor but i am not good in studies :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
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Yes but thats why you have the job you do :::D instead of calling you Dr Mord.
true :::D but i have releatives who are Drs. a urologist and oncologist also an optomoligist all work in very well known hospitals,but i like what i so better ;D ;D ;D O0
:::D :::D :::D yes, maybe in many ways. Yeah both sets of jobs still work crappy hours. On the plus side you have better toys to play with ^-^
Yes true although the urologist is a gun collector :-\
Is he married? ^-^
Yes but no one likes his wife including him,so a divorce looks like it might be on the horizon
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I think studying is stupid nowdays, you spend hours of your life revising and learning things for an hour exam that gets you a piece of paper.
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I think studying is stupid nowdays, you spend hours of your life revising and learning things for an hour exam that gets you a piece of paper.
Very true
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What strikes me as odd is that India's average IQ is calculated at 81, while in the USA they average around 98-103
It's not that odd if you consider that the USA attracts the best and brightest Indians. It's not only Indians, the US attracts the best and brightest everybodies. The poor and stupid Indians won't be wealthy enough to come to the U.S. and won't have JPL and Microsoft offering them jobs.
ASHISH, I wouldn't say that top science related jobs are representative of Indians in general, after all, there are a billion Indians and the ones who work in the US are some of the best and brightest. Also, the US has a shortage of scientists, computer scientists, mathematicians, engineers, etc. so we have to import them from other countries. Unlike in China and India, most intelligent Americans don't want anything to do with science.
But I agree that Indians are one of the smartest groups of people in the world.
As for Indians being as smart as Jews, imagine what the percentage of Jewish workers in those places would be if there were more than a billion Jews. ;)
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What strikes me as odd is that India's average IQ is calculated at 81, while in the USA they average around 98-103
It's not that odd if you consider that the USA attracts the best and brightest Indians. It's not only Indians, the US attracts the best and brightest everybodies. The poor and stupid Indians won't be wealthy enough to come to the U.S. and won't have JPL and Microsoft offering them jobs.
ASHISH, I wouldn't say that top science related jobs are representative of Indians in general, after all, there are a billion Indians and the ones who work in the US are some of the best and brightest. Also, the US has a shortage of scientists, computer scientists, mathematicians, engineers, etc. so we have to import them from other countries. Unlike in China and India, most intelligent Americans don't want anything to do with science.
But I agree that Indians are one of the smartest groups of people in the world.
As for Indians being as smart as Jews, imagine what the percentage of Jewish workers in those places would be if there were more than a billion Jews. ;)
O0
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Yes but thats why you have the job you do :::D instead of calling you Dr Mord.
true :::D but i have releatives who are Drs. a urologist and oncologist also an optomoligist all work in very well known hospitals,but i like what i so better ;D ;D ;D O0
:::D :::D :::D yes, maybe in many ways. Yeah both sets of jobs still work crappy hours. On the plus side you have better toys to play with ^-^
Yes true although the urologist is a gun collector :-\
Is he married? ^-^
Yes but no one likes his wife including him,so a divorce looks like it might be on the horizon
Most specialists are painful people to live with, due to the fact they are too focused and have G-d complex.
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I think studying is stupid nowdays, you spend hours of your life revising and learning things for an hour exam that gets you a piece of paper.
But that piece of paper allows you dear Sarah to get a good job, it also teaches you to applied yourself, and teaches you how to learn.
Education is something to be respected, its never to be taken for granted.
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"Work what dat be?" Says the Rev. I.B. Oppressed
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"Work what dat be?" Says the Rev. I.B. Oppressed
:::D
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Indians are smart because they eat vegetable Jalfrezi!
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Indians are smart because they eat vegetable Jalfrezi!
Whats that? Like curry? or maybe those triangle things stuffed with vegie. I love to know what they are they are great. :)
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It's kind of like a vegetable stew or medley served with rice. It does have curry in it. Since I try to limit my meat consumption, it is a good way to fill up. I forget what the triangle things are called at the moment.
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How many of those Indians are American born? If they are mostly foreign then an easy explanation can be offered, they were cherry picked by American immigration. America may say give us your poor and huddled masses, but the truth is they want your PHDs and your scientists and engineers. Not saying at all that Indians aren't bright people, but I don't buy into there being a big difference in intellect from ethnic group to ethnic group, nutrition, environment and education are important.
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Everybody is smart in their own way. Some people are mechanically smart, others are book smart, some are both. The trick in life is to find what you're good at, and try to move into that direction. But I do think that Jews are a smart people, it's the way they're wired.
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Why do you think the Jewish are perceived as being more smart? Is it due to Genetics or Environment?
Considering the massive persecution Jews have had over the years, if they weren't smart they probably got killed, not to say the ones that were killed were dumb, many of them were just unlucky or unable to escape no matter how smart they were. Just that if you have extra intelligence, it would help you to survive if there was a way out. It was a sort of forced eugenics though.
Plus, the Jewish culture promotes learning and study.
Together, this adds up to a higher than normal intelligence.
You're right. Also Jews were prohibited from engaging in many economic activities so they were forced to go into business, commerce, money-lending, and other things that required intelligence, so survival and the ability to have large families was based on who was intelligent enough to survive in these sorts of economic positions. It wasn't just forced eugenics from the outside, but from the inside as well. In religious communities where Torah and scholarship were emphasized, brilliant Torah scholars got better picks at intelligent women and were more financially secure so were able to have many children.
It's also theorized that the original group of Jews who ventured out into Europe were very intelligent to begin with as well.
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From what I heard Ashkenazi Jews have the highest IQ's O0
Yes, my family is off-the-chart smart. (Why didnt they give me any smarts????? :o)
This is an ABSURD topic. Indians that come here are the Creme of the crop. There not coming over here like the mexicans because their government has failed them, and they cant even sign their own name.
BTW, Indians from India are actually lower than most western nations IQ.
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From what I heard Ashkenazi Jews have the highest IQ's O0
Yes, my family is off-the-chart smart. (Why didnt they give me any smarts????? :o)
This is an ABSURD topic. Indians that come here are the Creme of the crop. There not coming over here like the mexicans because their government has failed them, and they cant even sign their own name.
BTW, Indians from India are actually lower than most western nations IQ.
Well, briann you're probably smart in some areas, that you might not know. O0 You just have to find out for yourself O0
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From what I heard Ashkenazi Jews have the highest IQ's O0
Yes, my family is off-the-chart smart. (Why didnt they give me any smarts????? :o)
This is an ABSURD topic. Indians that come here are the Creme of the crop. There not coming over here like the mexicans because their government has failed them, and they cant even sign their own name.
BTW, Indians from India are actually lower than most western nations IQ.
I have to disagree with you a little bit i am not saying that indians are smart because of genes but because of indian mentality and society.Let me explain in india people consider studies as religion for many indians it is the only way out of poverty moreover the school system is such here that teachers can beat you even if you have not done your homework :P same as parents who will beat you they will pressurisze you if your grades fall.So as a result most of the kids here study 10-16hours a day out of 100 percent we are expected to bring 95 percent below 85 its average.Now compare this with western schools were children will call police if parents and teachers beat them.So west has to change its education system i am not saying to beat children all the time which is harmful as many children commit sucide here because of bad grades but we should also not give them too much freedom.Same eduucation system is applied in china.
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i have an aunt in usa who is a teacher and she told me what children in usa study in 5th grade here in india we study that in 3rd grade so usa really need to get its act together because its losing in this field.Correct me if i am wrong dont you guys have teacher union here in usa i saw a documentary on youtube which showed that it is very difficult to fire a teacher even if he is not teaching well because the teachers can go on strike anytime?
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i have an aunt in usa who is a teacher and she told me what children in usa study in 5th grade here in india we study that in 3rd grade so usa really need to get its act together because its losing in this field.Correct me if i am wrong dont you guys have teacher union here in usa i saw a documentary on youtube which showed that it is very difficult to fire a teacher even if he is not teaching well because the teachers can go on strike anytime?
yes, sometimes a very liberal kkkommunist teacher can't be fired. it's terrible and must change >:( :P :o
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I think studying is stupid nowdays, you spend hours of your life revising and learning things for an hour exam that gets you a piece of paper.
But that piece of paper allows you dear Sarah to get a good job, it also teaches you to applied yourself, and teaches you how to learn.
Education is something to be respected, its never to be taken for granted.
Yeah, education is a great thing but the system it is run by can be pointless.
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I would have to disagree with this notion.Indians make up nearly one-third of the WHOLE worlds population not one percent.If you're talking about Indian-Americans then I guess you could say you're correct.Let me ask you this though,do you think the "Homer Simpson" of India are coming to the United States?
Edit: Indians actually make up one-sixth of the wolds population.I don't know why I put one-third.
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I would have to disagree with this notion.Indians make up nearly one-third of the WHOLE worlds population not one percent.If you're talking about Indian-Americans then I guess you could say you're correct.Let me ask you this though,do you think the "Homer Simpson" of India are coming to the United States?
Exactly. Plus the indians that go to America, try to make the ost of their education.
Also if there is a second generation of American citizens from Indian origins, their culture encourages and supports education.
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I would have to disagree with this notion.Indians make up nearly one-third of the WHOLE worlds population not one percent.If you're talking about Indian-Americans then I guess you could say you're correct.Let me ask you this though,do you think the "Homer Simpson" of India are coming to the United States?
Exactly. Plus the indians that go to America, try to make the ost of their education.
Also if there is a second generation of American citizens from Indian origins, their culture encourages and supports education.
yup
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I think studying is stupid nowdays, you spend hours of your life revising and learning things for an hour exam that gets you a piece of paper.
But that piece of paper allows you dear Sarah to get a good job, it also teaches you to applied yourself, and teaches you how to learn.
Education is something to be respected, its never to be taken for granted.
Yeah, education is a great thing but the system it is run by can be pointless.
You are far to young to understand the full importance of an education Sarah, when you are much older and see what the real adult world is like, you will be thankful you sat for your little piece of paper.
Bad as this sounds there are still people that believe women should never be educated, should never have any rights, and I am not talking about Muslims here, this attitude of dumbing down the society is so they can create elites.
They are not Elite and never will be, you hear the expression High brow or low brow, these are used by men mainly to try and get some kind of power in their boring meaningless lives.
Don't be fooled by the lack of ability of others.
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I would have to disagree with this notion.Indians make up nearly one-third of the WHOLE worlds population not one percent.If you're talking about Indian-Americans then I guess you could say you're correct.Let me ask you this though,do you think the "Homer Simpson" of India are coming to the United States?
Edit: Indians actually make up one-sixth of the wolds population.I don't know why I put one-third.
While counting the number of indians in this matter we have to take the population of indians as 600 million and not 1.2billion because half of the population is illetrate and their parents are too poor to send their children to school and colleges.
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From what I heard Ashkenazi Jews have the highest IQ's O0
Yes, my family is off-the-chart smart. (Why didnt they give me any smarts????? :o)
This is an ABSURD topic. Indians that come here are the Creme of the crop. There not coming over here like the mexicans because their government has failed them, and they cant even sign their own name.
BTW, Indians from India are actually lower than most western nations IQ.
I have to disagree with you a little bit i am not saying that indians are smart because of genes but because of indian mentality and society.Let me explain in india people consider studies as religion for many indians it is the only way out of poverty moreover the school system is such here that teachers can beat you even if you have not done your homework :P same as parents who will beat you they will pressurisze you if your grades fall.So as a result most of the kids here study 10-16hours a day out of 100 percent we are expected to bring 95 percent below 85 its average.Now compare this with western schools were children will call police if parents and teachers beat them.So west has to change its education system i am not saying to beat children all the time which is harmful as many children commit sucide here because of bad grades but we should also not give them too much freedom.Same eduucation system is applied in china.
No question that Indians as with most Asians have a culture that promotes studying, etc, which is why you see more Asian scientists etc, than Africans, etc. But comparing them with Jews is as a whole is not valid, since the Indians that come here are the 'best of India' because they scored high on entrance exams, whereas the Jews that are here, aren't the creme of the crop of Jews.
Brian
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i have an aunt in usa who is a teacher and she told me what children in usa study in 5th grade here in india we study that in 3rd grade so usa really need to get its act together because its losing in this field.Correct me if i am wrong dont you guys have teacher union here in usa i saw a documentary on youtube which showed that it is very difficult to fire a teacher even if he is not teaching well because the teachers can go on strike anytime?
yes, sometimes a very liberal kkkommunist teacher can't be fired. it's terrible and must change >:( :P :o
DONT GET ME STARTED HERE.
Our teachers unions are out of control. I've worked in education for 12 years, and Ive seen teachers that were so incompetent, they couldn't get a job at Mcdonalds.
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I would have to disagree with this notion.Indians make up nearly one-third of the WHOLE worlds population not one percent.If you're talking about Indian-Americans then I guess you could say you're correct.Let me ask you this though,do you think the "Homer Simpson" of India are coming to the United States?
Edit: Indians actually make up one-sixth of the wolds population.I don't know why I put one-third.
While counting the number of indians in this matter we have to take the population of indians as 600 million and not 1.2billion because half of the population is illetrate and their parents are too poor to send their children to school and colleges.
You could do that with any population. You could say, Africans are REALLY smart, its just that 70% of them are illiterate, and 15% are only partially literate, and 10% are malnutritioned, but the remaining 5% are really smart.
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From what I heard Ashkenazi Jews have the highest IQ's O0
Yes, my family is off-the-chart smart. (Why didnt they give me any smarts????? :o)
This is an ABSURD topic. Indians that come here are the Creme of the crop. There not coming over here like the mexicans because their government has failed them, and they cant even sign their own name.
BTW, Indians from India are actually lower than most western nations IQ.
I have to disagree with you a little bit i am not saying that indians are smart because of genes but because of indian mentality and society.Let me explain in india people consider studies as religion for many indians it is the only way out of poverty moreover the school system is such here that teachers can beat you even if you have not done your homework :P same as parents who will beat you they will pressurisze you if your grades fall.So as a result most of the kids here study 10-16hours a day out of 100 percent we are expected to bring 95 percent below 85 its average.Now compare this with western schools were children will call police if parents and teachers beat them.So west has to change its education system i am not saying to beat children all the time which is harmful as many children commit sucide here because of bad grades but we should also not give them too much freedom.Same eduucation system is applied in china.
<<Now compare this with western schools were children will call police if parents and teachers beat them>>
You definitely make a point ASHISH.
But don't you smart people in the first place, to push their children to study in order to get a civilised society?
Look at Africa?
Why are they having such low IQ's?
An IQ is actually more a capability the a competence.
Even with a lower capability , a person can get stellar results , according to his IQ.
A person with a higher IQ still needs to use it.
Here in Europe companies also attract a lot of Indian IT-people.
But the outsourcing of IT-jobs to India , is getting less popular.
The Belgian Jewish diamond business is unfortunately been taken over by Indians. :'(
All diamonds are cut in Bombay instead of Antwerpen nowdays..;