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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: AbdullahSydney on January 20, 2008, 04:28:45 AM
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Peace be with you
God knows best about the differences between Jews and Muslims. He will judge the matters wherein people differ.
My mother's mother was Jewish. That seems to mean more to Jews than to me. I am muslim. The most pain I've ever felt was repenting for adopting Jewish thought processes and habits, even though I've never been formally Jewish.
Glory be to God. Read Al Baqarah with sincerity and ask God if it's not true. Read it alone. If it doesn't reach you I don't know what will, but God may know.
I saw Yousuf Khattab vs. Richard Dawkins online. It only added faith to me. Alhamdulillah! Glory be to God. The interviewer was so faithless he couldn't even hope to see the truth in what he was being told. Who knows if God might guide him.
God will harden the heart of the disbeliever to a point when that disbeliever actually can't see truth any more when it's in front of his eyes. I've come into this forum assuming that has happened to many of you.
Praise be to God, there is a remedy. The muslim position on a stubborn Jew or a blind Jew is not simply blast 'em out of their homes. Actually the Qur'an says you don't need to - the Jew, if he doesn't have much faith, will simply go away anyway so you don't have to.
However, for the debating Jew who can't see the points made by a believer who is inviting him to God, the remedy is not more debate. The remedy I see in the Qur'an is to say: Shaddap! You and your debate! Go and feed the hungry!
Stop waxing and philosophising! Go wash someone's car and thank them that you had the chance to do it. So, shaddap. Forum Shmorum. If you love God, go and show it.
Peace be with you
Please forgive me for my arrogance. I'm still trying to let go of it.
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Funny you don't seem so arrogant on AussieMuslim.com. ^-^
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"Believer" who is inviting one to G-d? If you didn't know, Jews had the truth of the one true G-d while pre-Islamic peoples were still worshipping moons, rocks and pagan shrines. So who has the real truth, those who discovered it on their own, or those who copied it from them? Talk about blind, open your eyes and you will see that the Quran is one of the biggest plagiarisms in the history of fictional literature. Given the amount of contradictions, scientific impossibilities and logical absurdities, it's amazing that you have the gall to call anyone but yourself blind.
Your "peace be with yous" are not welcome here. Save them for your mass murdering, schizophrenic, pedophile, rapist, and satanically possessed "prophet".
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He will fill his baby's mind with the poison instead. Shame another lost soul.
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Why did you convert from Judaism to Islam? Just after reading Al-baqarah?
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www.prophetofdoom.net
End of discussion.
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AbdullahSydney, are you a Muslim now?
Also what is shaddap?
I think he means "shut up", but he's trying to say it inoffensively. Just one ridiculous part of his nonsensical rant.
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AbdullahSydney, are you a Muslim now?
Also what is shaddap?
I think he means "shut up", but he's trying to say it inoffensively. Just one ridiculous part of his nonsensical rant.
Yup thats what it means.
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He's funny
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Read my signature and weep all those dhiminated sheeps who'll belive this snake. ::) But I bet you won't fing them here. O0
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Abdullah you say your Grandmother is Jewish what's the rest of your family?Anglo Saxon,Italian ,Irish,German, Slavic or something ele.
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You know I saw Yousuf Khattab
[Yossef Cohen] is a coward and borderline imbecile
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AbdullahSydney, are you a Muslim now?
Also what is shaddap?
I think he means "shut up", but he's trying to say it inoffensively. Just one ridiculous part of his nonsensical rant.
Yup thats what it means.
Shut up?
So, because they can't succeed in converting us we should "shut up" ? :o
YUP charming no?
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Abdullah (the butcher?)
A true Muslim kills Jews and other infidels who refuse to convert or be subjugated before you. How can you claim to be a true Muslim if you are not killing or contributing to the killing of such people? You are not true to the 'orthodox' Muslim faith. And being that you were born a Jew.... no action or self-definition can ever change that. You are stuck and you are liable. Best to drop the "Muslim" charade now while you still have a chance and haven't fallen headlong into the jihad mentality.
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AbdullahSydney, are you a Muslim now?
Also what is shaddap?
I think he means "shut up", but he's trying to say it inoffensively. Just one ridiculous part of his nonsensical rant.
Yup thats what it means.
Shut up?
So, because they can't succeed in converting us we should "shut up" ? :o
YUP charming no?
I know I was certainly charmed by him :::D
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AbdullahSydney, are you a Muslim now?
Also what is shaddap?
I think he means "shut up", but he's trying to say it inoffensively. Just one ridiculous part of his nonsensical rant.
Yup thats what it means.
Shut up?
So, because they can't succeed in converting us we should "shut up" ? :o
YUP charming no?
I know I was certainly charmed by him :::D
hey hey wife number two ^-^ ^-^ ^-^
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AbdullahSydney, are you a Muslim now?
Also what is shaddap?
I think he means "shut up", but he's trying to say it inoffensively. Just one ridiculous part of his nonsensical rant.
Yup thats what it means.
Shut up?
So, because they can't succeed in converting us we should "shut up" ? :o
YUP charming no?
I know I was certainly charmed by him :::D
hey hey wife number two ^-^ ^-^ ^-^
On my way to do some burka shopping right now...ohhh dammit that means I have to leave the house unescorted....what to do what to do :D
At least I outrank 3 and 4 8;)
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AbdullahSydney, are you a Muslim now?
Also what is shaddap?
I think he means "shut up", but he's trying to say it inoffensively. Just one ridiculous part of his nonsensical rant.
Yup thats what it means.
Shut up?
So, because they can't succeed in converting us we should "shut up" ? :o
YUP charming no?
I know I was certainly charmed by him :::D
hey hey wife number two ^-^ ^-^ ^-^
On my way to do some burka shopping right now...ohhh dammit that means I have to leave the house unescorted....what to do what to do :D
At least I outrank 3 and 4 8;)
Yeah but that means you have to service him more often, I would choose to be wife 29870456 :::D
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AbdullahSydney, are you a Muslim now?
Also what is shaddap?
I think he means "shut up", but he's trying to say it inoffensively. Just one ridiculous part of his nonsensical rant.
Yup thats what it means.
Shut up?
So, because they can't succeed in converting us we should "shut up" ? :o
YUP charming no?
I know I was certainly charmed by him :::D
hey hey wife number two ^-^ ^-^ ^-^
On my way to do some burka shopping right now...ohhh dammit that means I have to leave the house unescorted....what to do what to do :D
At least I outrank 3 and 4 8;)
Yeah but that means you have to service him more often, I would choose to be wife 29870456 :::D
Ill just shoot him, that puts us all out of our misery and one less terrorist on the planet ;)
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Ill just shoot him ;)
Cool can I watch ^-^ O0
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Ill just shoot him ;)
Cool can I watch ^-^ O0
Only if you bring popcorn.
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Ill just shoot him ;)
Cool can I watch ^-^ O0
Absolutey, thats a spectator sport if Ive ever heard of one O0
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Ill just shoot him ;)
Cool can I watch ^-^ O0
Only if you bring popcorn.
Sweet or buttered ^-^
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Ill just shoot him ;)
Cool can I watch ^-^ O0
Absolutey, thats a spectator sport if Ive ever heard of one O0
I am thinking Youtube 8;)
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Ill just shoot him ;)
Cool can I watch ^-^ O0
Absolutey, thats a spectator sport if Ive ever heard of one O0
I am thinking Youtube 8;)
:::D They would remove it , but Im sure they would be happy to leave the beheading videos running
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I bet Abdullah has never taken a shower since converting to the religion of peace.
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AbdullahSydney, are you a Muslim now?
Also what is shaddap?
I think he means "shut up", but he's trying to say it inoffensively. Just one ridiculous part of his nonsensical rant.
Yup thats what it means.
Shut up?
So, because they can't succeed in converting us we should "shut up" ? :o
No, we should all just die if they can't succeed in converting us.
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Filthy Muslim animal with their sick cult that preaches the death of everyone. Get the hell out of our nation take your disgusting cult with you. Islam is the number 1 problem that the world is facing. A world without Islam would be heavenly. Muslims want us to apologize for a cartoon of Mohammed and not one of them ever apologized for the countless atrocities. And aslong as you participate in that cult of turds called Islam you are my natural enemy. Cause your cult preaches every single day the death of my country and are murdering pigs of women and children.
The hell with you, the hell with Islam and Mecca and the hell with your dirty Imams that all look like camel behinds.
You participate in Islam and the Koran then you participate in a cult that is calling out the death of me, my family and my country. Simple as that. There is no way I will ever respect that religion if you want to call it that that has no respect for anyone else.
And it is long over due that the Non Muslim world wake up back hand these Muslims a good smack and stick them in the corner and say STRAIGHTEN UP OR MEET THE FIRE POWER OF INFIDELS.
My dog did have a Muslim moment this morning... Made a Mohammed on the lawn.
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Ooop... LOL re ask it so maybe I can try to answer.
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This post was hit and run SPAM. No discussion from the author, just the title post and he's gone.
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Peace be with you
I mentioned Al Baqarah because of the clear addresses there to the Children of Israel. Al baqarah is a name imposed by scholars on a chapter of the revelations received by Mohammad of the Arabs.
The chapter is the second chapter of those revelations. The chapter presents an introduction of the revelation:
this is the book; in it is guidance sure, without doubt, to those who fear God - who believe in the unseen, are steadfast in prayer, and spend out of what we have provided for them, and who believe in the revelation sent to thee, and sent before thy time, and are certain about the hereafter
If you satisfy the above, it's an address to you, and will guide you. If you don't satisfy the above criteria, but rather you are faithless, it will misguide you:
as to those who reject faith, it is the same to them whether thou warn them or do not warn them; they will not believe. God has set a seal on their hearts and on their hearing, and on their eyes is a veil; great is the penalty they incur. Of the people there are some who say: "We believe in God and the last day" but they do not really believe. Fain would they deceive God and those who believe, but they only deceive themselves, and realise it not! In their hearts is a disease and God has increased their disease with this book: And grievous is the penalty they incur, because they are false. When it is said to them "Make not mischief on the earth", they say: "Why, we only want to make peace!". Of a surety, they are the ones who make mischief, but they realise it not. When it is said to them: "Believe as the others believe", they say: "Shall we believe as the fools believe?". Nay, of a surety they are the fools, but they do not know. When they meet those who believe, they say: "We believe", but when they are alone with their evil ones, they say: "We are really with you: We were only jesting". God will throw back their mockery on them, and give them rope in their trespasses; so they will wander like blind ones to and fro. These are they who have bartered guidance for error, but their traffic is profitless, and they have lost true direction,
Of course, many people are in between perfect faith and complete error: they have potential. They believe and try to keep faith in God at all times, but they still often falter, then remember God when reminded. God knows best who is who - who is guided and who is misguided.
These are the early lines of the chapter. The next section goes on to the creation story - Adam and the garden and man's placement on earth for a time.
Then begins the greatest address to the Children of Israel since Jesus Christ's mission and his direct demonstrations of God's glory. Lines 40-150 of the chapter recount the favours of God upon the Children of Israel. Lines 150 - 286 show how to correct errors and return to God. This is a mercy of a magnitude that not one of us alive today can likely comprehend. Anyone who could claim to encompass the magnitude of this mercy would be in the realm of seeing things as Isaiah could see them - the vision of a prophet.
If you have fear of God's wrath, you should read this chapter and pray to God a generous prayer seeking his mercy and asking that He show you any scrap of divine truth that this chapter might contain. Can you be sure you've done your best if you don't try? What if it's true and you miss it? Won't you kick yourself if you find out later that you should have tried harder?
If there's any truth in the chapter and you find it, the benefit is for your soul. Whether you are drawn away from friends, family, community, or any other attachment, other than attachment to God and your salvation, is of no bearing.
If you read the Qur'an, cry, see it as true, and your friends say you're crazy, it would probably be a sign you're on the right track. God loves to differentiate between who follows what his Mum or Dad said, and who investigates reality and follows what is true.
Dear moderator: if you wish to amend, censor, or add to my writing to portray it in a way that suits you, rather than having trust in the processes that be, may you get what you earn. God will see your work, wherever you go, and I have no need to conflict with you. The truth speaks for itself and the truth will live on after you die, after I die, and after all of mankind is finished blogging.
The scripture says:
Then learnt Adam from his Lord words of inspiration, and his Lord turned towards him; for He is oft-returning, most merciful. We said: "Get ye down all from here to the earth; and if, as is sure, there comes to you guidance from Me, whosoever follows my guidance, on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve. But those who reject faith and belie our signs, they shall be companions of the fire; they shall abide therein". O Children of Israel! Call to mind the favour which I bestowed upon you, and fulfil your covenant with Me as I fulfil My covenant with you, and fear none but Me. And believe in what I reveal, confirming the revelation which is with you, and be not the first to reject faith therein, nor sell my signs for a small price; and fear Me, and Me alone. And cover not truth with falsehood, nor conceal the truth when ye know it. And be steadfast in prayer; practise regular charity; and bow down with those who bow down. Do ye enjoin right conduct on the people, and forget to practise it yourselves, and yet ye study the scripture? Will ye not understand? Nay, seek help with patient perseverance and prayer: It is indeed hard, except to those who really fear God's wrath - who bear in mind the certainty that they are to meet their Lord, and that they are to return to Him.
Peace be with you. Please forgive me for my impatience and my arrogance. These are not of God, nor even of His true slaves. These are just faults.
Glory belongs to God, all glory. High is He above what people imagine. The first and the last, the everliving, generous in reward and stern in punishment.
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"And he will be a wild man… Living in a wilderness, delighting in hunting and killing wild beasts, and robbing and plundering all that pass by; and such an one Ishmael was, see (Genesis 21:20,21)
God promised him a son and after ten years Abram (later Abraham) was tired of waiting upon the Lord. So, with Sarai's blessing, he slept with her Egyptian servant, Hagar, who soon became pregnant with a son when Abram was 86 years old when Ishmael was born.
Hagar despised Sarai and was cast out to the wilderness.
Abram tried to do it himself, and brought disaster, strife and heartbreak into his household. Had he listened to God, waiting on God's time and on God's word, things might have been a whole lot better. To Hagar God said, "I will so increase your descendants that they will be too numerous to count" (Gen 16:10). To Abram God said, "Look up at the heavens and count the stars, if indeed you can count them ... So shall your offspring be" (Gen 15:5).
There are also some differences in the promises. It becomes clear that Ishmael is not the child of the promise. Instead, that honor belongs to Isaac, a child yet to be born. Furthermore, Abram is told that through his son Isaac he will be a blessing to all nations (Gen 12:2). This is nowhere said about Hagar's son, Ishmael. Instead, (Gen 16:12) "He will be a wild ass of a man; his hand will be against everyone and everyone's hand against him, and he will live in hostility toward all his brothers."
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We kicked out FTF for christian prozeliting why this taqiya monster is allowed to preach iSSlam on Jewish Forum.. ???
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Its funny because I'm the moderator of this section yet I don't censor anyone.
Anywho, this is interesting AbdullahSydney.
However, I don't understand why a loving G-d would put a veil on people.
And even if you did not address it, I don't understand why muslims seek to be slaves of Allah. It gives non-muslims a hard time because we just don't see it that way.
To me, I love G-d more than anything and anyone in the entire universe and not only that, I LOVE Him beyond the 24/7 limit. That means that my love and devotion for Him is eternal and happens beyond the 24 hr limit.
But I do not feel that G-d wants me to be His slave, but rather be free to choose to love Him and serve him.
The slave thing is something I don't understand.
And even though you explained what Al Baqarah is, I still don't understand how by merely reading it, is supposed to convert people.
Like I said if I asked you to read the writings of Joseph Smith and the Book of Mormon asking you to pray for guiedance, would you convert to Mormonism? No, because you do not place value or authority on it. Likewise, if I don't place value or authority on the qu'ran who am I supposed to even be converted.
Also, you are hinting at a logical fallacy. You think that someone choosing to be moslim and his family/friends rejecting them means they're on the right track and proves their choice of islam is correct?
This is a fallacy, I mean,= when I chose to convert to Judaism, all my family thought I was crazy and wrong...so because they thought this about me, it proves Judaism? That's essentially what you were implying about Islam.
Consequently, what about when a Muslim converts to Christianity, their hole family rejects them, that that prove Christianity is the right track?
Finally, I didn't know that Muslims refer to jesus as "Jesus Christ" is this accurate?
Thanks in advance for answering my questions. I had others in the previous page too.
In muslime cult the the Mahomet as greatest prophet and 12th imam/mahdi not Jesus is Mashias=Christ. Beides milions of christains have read Torah and Tanath some even studied Talmud and they didn't converted to Rabinic Judaism, he's argumnents are sily. Does your family rejected you for converting to Judaism? Mine was not happy when i left Roman Catholicism but I still have my head on sholders. ;)
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We kicked out FTF for christian prozeliting why this taqiya monster is allowed to preach iSSlam on Jewish Forum.. ???
Ultra Requete is right, AbdullahSydney, this is not a place for proselyting. Not just by islam but by any religion. We don't proselytize to Gentiles AND they do not proselyting to Jews. Its that simple and its a rule.
I like religion debates but there is a time for everything and this is not the place to invite people to a religion.
One thing more; iSSlam shud not be preached anywhere... And JTF is the last place I woud think it's possible. :(
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Moslems can deny it all they want however the fact reminds moe picked up tidbits from the Tanach and Christian Bible did'nt understand anything and mixed everything up.Moe also used apocryphal parts of the Tanach and Christian Bible.Did you know moslems beleived Judas was crucified :o :laugh:
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Abdullah, here is some more Islamic scripture.
Sir, if you beleive that this stuff is divinely inspired, you are completely retarded.
Bukhari:V6B61N550
"The Prophet said, ‘It is a bad thing some of you say,"I have forgotten such-and-such verse of the Qur'an." For truly, I have been caused by Allah to forget it. So you must keep on reciting the Qur'an because it escapes faster than a runaway camel.'"
Uh Oh , Muhammad's girlfriend is running away as fast as the Quran is.
Tabari I:321
"When Eve became heavy with her first pregnancy, Satan came to her before she gave birth and said, ‘Eve, what is that in your womb?' She said, ‘I do not know.' He asked, ‘Where will it come out from-your nose, your eye, or your ear?' She replied, ‘I do not know.'"
In Muhammad's version of Bible stories, Eve is now as retarded as a present day Muslim.
Tabari I:279
"It was a tree which made whoever ate from it defecate. But there must be no faeces in Paradise."
Circular logic, but funny.
Tabari I:281
"I heard him swear by Allah unequivocally, ‘As long as Adam was in his right mind, he would never have eaten from the tree. Eve gave him wine and got him drunk. She led him to the tree."
Eve is a master wine maker apparently. She can make a bottle of wine in a less than a day.
Tabari I:267
"And Allah taught Adam all the names as follows: He taught him the name of everything, down to fart and little fart."
No comment necessary. This is a genuine quote, by the way.
Bukhari:V1B4N137
"Allah's Apostle said, ‘The prayer of a person who does Hadath (passes urine, stool or wind) is not accepted till he performs ablution.'"
Muslims apparently need a message from G-d in order to tell them to wash their hands after going to the Bathroom. Yuk.
Bukhari:V1B4N139
"I asked Allah's Apostle about a person who imagined they passed wind during prayer. He replied: ‘He should not leave his prayer unless he hears sound or smells something.'"
I thought that most people were able tell whether they themselves broke wind, but the stupidity of Muslims is quite extraordinary. Don't put anything past them.
Bukhari:V1B4N174
"During the lifetime of Allah's Apostle dogs used to urinate and pass through the mosque. Nevertheless they never used to sprinkle water on it."
Dog Piss in a mosque is fine with Muhammad. I wholeheartedly agree.
Tabari I:367
Tell us about Noah's ark.' He said, ‘It was 1,200 cubits long [nearly 4,000 feet] and 600 cubits wide. It had three stories, one for domestic and wild animals, another for human beings, and a third for birds. When the dung of the animals became excessive, Allah inspired Noah to tickle the elephant's tail. He did, and a male and female hog fell down and attacked the dung. When the rat fell down into the seams of the planks of the ark and gnawed at them, Allah inspired Noah to strike the lion between its eyes and a male and female cat came out from its nose and attacked the rat.'"
Ha! two pigs falling out of an elephant's butt. Only Muhammad could make something up this funny.
Tabari II:99
"Abraham was tested with ten Islamic practices: rinsing the mouth, cleansing nostrils with water, trimming the mustache, using a toothstick, plucking the armpit, paring nails, washing finger joints, circumcision, shaving pubic hair, and washing the rear and vulva."
Only Muslims could consider hygiene a test from G-d.
Tabari VI:66
"Umar said, ‘By Allah I was by one of the idols of the Jahiliyyah. An Arab sacrificed a calf to it, and we were waiting for it to be divided up in order to receive a share. I heard coming from the belly of the calf a voice which was more penetrating than any I've heard. The dead calf's belly said, ‘There is no ilah but Allah.'"
Cool, I always ask bellies of dead cows sacrificed to pagan gods for religious advice. So did Umar.
Tabari VI:75
"‘Messenger, how did you first know with absolute certainty that you were a prophet?' He replied, ‘Two angels came to me while I was somewhere in Mecca.... One angel said, "Open his breast and take out his heart." He opened my chest and heart, removing the pollution of Satan and a clot of blood, and threw them away. Then one said, "Wash his breast as you would a receptacle." He summoned the Sakinah, which looked like the face of a white cat, and it was placed in my heart. Then one said, "Sew up his breast." So they sewed up my chest and placed the seal between my shoulders.'"
Why, oh why didn't those angels throw his black heart into the nearest trash receptacle?
Bukhari:V7B71N590
"The climate of Medina did not suit some people so the Prophet ordered them to drink camel urine as a medicine."
My G-d, when do Muslims ever say to themselves "Could Muhammad be dispensing crappy advice?"
Bukhari:V7B71N592
"I heard Allah's Apostle saying, ‘There is healing in black cumin for all diseases except death.'"
I don't need a prophet to tell me that cumin doesn't make one immortal.
Bukhari:V7B71N673
"Allah's Apostle said, ‘If a fly falls in your drink, dip all of it into the cup and then throw it away, for in one of its wings there is a disease and in the other there is healing, an antidote or treatment for that disease.'"
The Islamic version of Healing Teas. Yum.
Qur'an 49:12
"Spy not behind the backs of others. Would any of you like to eat the flesh of his dead brother?"
No thank you. I'll pass on eating my brother's carcass.
Bukhari:V1B3N68
"Muhammad used to take care of us in preaching by selecting a suitable time, so that we might not get bored. He abstained from pestering us with sermons and knowledge."
Good idea. Don't pester Muslims with knowledge. It tends to piss them off.
Muslim:B40N6837
"Allah's Messenger delivered an address, mentioning a camel and a bad person who cut off its hind legs, reciting: ‘When the basest of them broke forth with mischief.' He then delivered instruction saying: ‘There are amongst you those who beat their women. They flog them like slave girls. Then after flogging them like slaves they comfort them in their beds as a result at the end of the day.' He then advised in regard to people laughing at the breaking of wind and said: ‘You laugh at that which you yourself do.'"
HAHAHAHAHAHA No comment. That was toooooo funny.
Bukhari:V3B33N254
"Satan circulates in human beings as blood flows in our bodies."
Speak for yourself, Muhammad.
Tabari II:121
"Gabriel spread out his wings and gouged out their eyes. Gabriel seized Sodom's girdle, snatching it up so high into the sky the angels could hear their dogs. He threw rocks at the laggards, one after the other. There were three towns called Sodom that lay between Medina and Syria. It has been mentioned that there were four million people in the town."
Wow. A town in Arabia four times the size of Rome. Sounds plausible.
Qur'an 86:13
"Lo this (Qur'an) is a conclusive Word; it is not a thing for amusement. It is no pleasantry. And it is no joke."
I thought it was a pretty good joke, Muhammad.
Be more confident and you can make it in the stand up circuit.
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Peace be with you
Glory be to God
Zero will happen without his willing it. Zero will be blocked without his blocking it. God willing, I'm part of the nation of submission, the nation that Abraham envisioned. He submitted to God, he was a submitter. He recognised God, he saw the benefit in surrendering his thought and action to the will of God, and thus he submitted. Thus he became a slave.
In response to the question of why a Muslim wants to be a slave of God, this is because a slave is in obeiance to a master, and an ideal relationship to God is to obey Him. If I could I ever say that I obeyed God all the time - 100% in every matter, I would celebrate a tremendous victory.
I follow the faith of Abraham. Mohammad was commanded: follow the faith of Abraham, that is the best faith to follow. The Qur'an says: The Jews say Abraham was a Jew, the Christians say Abraham was a Christian. Say: Nay, he was a submitter, he submitted to God.
So I say: Abraham was a submitter. Call him a slave of God or a submitter, it's a great state to be in: submission to a greater power that is just and merciful, that provides and nurtures and more. Like having the internet online 24/7, in every room, and in the yard too, but it's God instead.
In chapter 4 of the Qur'an, there is a rejection of the crucifixion of Jesus, and the rejection of the Christians' claims of Jesus' sonship. The point is reiterated with the following: No servant is too proud to bow down to the almighty. This is a mention of Jesus. Jesus is not too proud to bow down. So would you refuse God if He asked you to bow down? Would you reject to be his slave? Glory be to God.
If he punishes those who see his signs - right before their eyes - and still they refuse Him, glory be to Him. And if he shows mercy to them, glory be to Him. He enforces his own will. He straightens the provision for whom He wills and He enlarges it for whom He wills. His judgement is fair in every case.
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I mentioned the chapter Al Baqarah. I have a couple of things to mention. 1. If you spend more time asking me why to read it than you spend reading it, then you are looking in the wrong direction. Why look at my posts while you could be looking at the revelations of your Lord.
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If you read it and you're still not sure, then I would recommend you learn the Arabic, read it in rhyme, and if you still don't fall down crying, recognising that God knows every move you've ever made, then.... keep trying. Beg him to show you the way. Die trying and go to heaven for it.
You can even ask any properly educated Muslim to pray for you if you are honestly trying to investigate the Qur'an. It is almost an obligation that they pray for you, provide for you, and help you in every way. I realise that not all so-called Muslims alive today are aware of this, but if you doubt it, consult the scholars and the Qur'an and you'll see that a fair person who is searching for truth is a very precious thing in the eyes of a Muslim.
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So, please read the chapter, the whole thing, with attention, preferably in the last the 1/3 of the night, or on a day of fasting, and show God you're trying to examine the world you live in. Show Him you are willing. If you always search for truth - with sincerity - you cannot fail in life. Look at Abraham - put his life on the line, put his son's life on the line - was willing to go to any lengths to obey the promptings of the almighty, the promptings toward his soul, and he was awarded every protection and then a ticket to paradise. Glory be to God. He loves the witnesses of truth.
All glory belongs to He who sent down the reminder. The Qur'an is named as the reminder so many times. Glory be to God. It didn't bring a new religion. It is no more than a reminder.
Yet, it is also named as the criterion - something which distinguishes. Glory be to God. He needed to sort out who was true and who was not - a sorting out process which will continue time in and time out. Glory be to Him - he knows all that will happen and we don't. How nice is the condition of the person who trusts Him completely.
Peace be with you
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One more point. Please stop throwing me the writings of men. I read the revelations of God. The Qur'an commands us to read the writings of God, not the writings of men. I do not dismiss all hadith. Hadith means story in Arabic. The Qur'an says of God's story - which hadith will you read after this one. This is the greatest hadith.
This story is repeated in the revelations to Abraham, Moses, David, Jesus, and Mohammad. This is the greatest hadith. Please, don't ask me about hadith of the companions because it is not my strength. The Qur'an says - chapter 98 - the faithless from among the people of the book (that was me) were not going to leave off their faithlessness until there came to them a messenger reciting purified pages. The hadith are not the purified pages. The Qur'an has the rhyme, the miracle, the story of God and stories the prophets. As for the thrills of heaven and predictions of doomsday, these are weaker sources, and until I am tired of the mother lode, why would I seek them?
Glory be to God.
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fart and little fart." :::D ;D :::D :::D :::D :::D :::D
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Slave of allah why don'nt you learn Hebrew and aramaic
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AbdullahSydney,
What prophet cuts the heads off of fathers in front of their wives and daughters?
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Peace be with you
Regarding Jesus Christ. The scripture mentions Jesus as the saviour - massi in Arabic, translated as messiah in English. No other prophet is given this title in the Qur'an.
All glory belongs to God
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So he towers over mohamad ;D moehamad is a second rate prophet
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Peace be with you
Regarding Jesus Christ. The scripture mentions Jesus as the saviour - massi in Arabic, translated as messiah in English. No other prophet is given this title in the Qur'an.
All glory belongs to G-d
Peace be with you. COMMENT ON THIS ONE AbdullahSydney:
Qur'an 4:23 "Prohibited to you are: your mothers, daughters, sisters.... Also (prohibited are) women already married, except slaves who are captives." [Rape is okay with Team Islam.]
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AbdullahSydney Zahrehmar Kheng Dawana Borro gardanettoh beshkahn
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Dear Italian Zionist,
these are the revelations of God. It is good that you are reading them. Whether you follow or not is your choice. The burden of free choice is a trust that humans have accepted.
You asked me to comment. I follow the revelations. If God will give me the strength, I hear and I obey. He gives us his limits. He has made it easy for us.
Peace be with you forever.
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This also is allowed in Islam فِي الدُّبُر
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Peace be with you
Glory be to G-d
Zero will happen without his willing it. Zero will be blocked without his blocking it. G-d willing, I'm part of the nation of submission, the nation that Abraham envisioned. He submitted to G-d, he was a submitter. He recognised G-d, he saw the benefit in surrendering his thought and action to the will of G-d, and thus he submitted. Thus he became a slave.
In response to the question of why a Muslim wants to be a slave of G-d, this is because a slave is in obeiance to a master, and an ideal relationship to G-d is to obey Him. If I could I ever say that I obeyed G-d all the time - 100% in every matter, I would celebrate a tremendous victory.
I follow the faith of Abraham. Mohammad was commanded: follow the faith of Abraham, that is the best faith to follow. The Qur'an says: The Jews say Abraham was a Jew, the Christians say Abraham was a Christian. Say: Nay, he was a submitter, he submitted to G-d.
So I say: Abraham was a submitter. Call him a slave of G-d or a submitter, it's a great state to be in: submission to a greater power that is just and merciful, that provides and nurtures and more. Like having the internet online 24/7, in every room, and in the yard too, but it's G-d instead.
In chapter 4 of the Qur'an, there is a rejection of the crucifixion of Jesus, and the rejection of the Christians' claims of Jesus' sonship. The point is reiterated with the following: No servant is too proud to bow down to the almighty. This is a mention of Jesus. Jesus is not too proud to bow down. So would you refuse G-d if He asked you to bow down? Would you reject to be his slave? Glory be to G-d.
If he punishes those who see his signs - right before their eyes - and still they refuse Him, glory be to Him. And if he shows mercy to them, glory be to Him. He enforces his own will. He straightens the provision for whom He wills and He enlarges it for whom He wills. His judgement is fair in every case.
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I mentioned the chapter Al Baqarah. I have a couple of things to mention. 1. If you spend more time asking me why to read it than you spend reading it, then you are looking in the wrong direction. Why look at my posts while you could be looking at the revelations of your Lord.
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If you read it and you're still not sure, then I would recommend you learn the Arabic, read it in rhyme, and if you still don't fall down crying, recognising that G-d knows every move you've ever made, then.... keep trying. Beg him to show you the way. Die trying and go to heaven for it.
You can even ask any properly educated Muslim to pray for you if you are honestly trying to investigate the Qur'an. It is almost an obligation that they pray for you, provide for you, and help you in every way. I realise that not all so-called Muslims alive today are aware of this, but if you doubt it, consult the scholars and the Qur'an and you'll see that a fair person who is searching for truth is a very precious thing in the eyes of a Muslim.
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So, please read the chapter, the whole thing, with attention, preferably in the last the 1/3 of the night, or on a day of fasting, and show G-d you're trying to examine the world you live in. Show Him you are willing. If you always search for truth - with sincerity - you cannot fail in life. Look at Abraham - put his life on the line, put his son's life on the line - was willing to go to any lengths to obey the promptings of the almighty, the promptings toward his soul, and he was awarded every protection and then a ticket to paradise. Glory be to G-d. He loves the witnesses of truth.
All glory belongs to He who sent down the reminder. The Qur'an is named as the reminder so many times. Glory be to G-d. It didn't bring a new religion. It is no more than a reminder.
Yet, it is also named as the criterion - something which distinguishes. Glory be to G-d. He needed to sort out who was true and who was not - a sorting out process which will continue time in and time out. Glory be to Him - he knows all that will happen and we don't. How nice is the condition of the person who trusts Him completely.
Peace be with you
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One more point. Please stop throwing me the writings of men. I read the revelations of G-d. The Qur'an commands us to read the writings of G-d, not the writings of men. I do not dismiss all hadith. Hadith means story in Arabic. The Qur'an says of G-d's story - which hadith will you read after this one. This is the greatest hadith.
This story is repeated in the revelations to Abraham, Moses, David, Jesus, and Mohammad. This is the greatest hadith. Please, don't ask me about hadith of the companions because it is not my strength. The Qur'an says - chapter 98 - the faithless from among the people of the book (that was me) were not going to leave off their faithlessness until there came to them a messenger reciting purified pages. The hadith are not the purified pages. The Qur'an has the rhyme, the miracle, the story of G-d and stories the prophets. As for the thrills of heaven and predictions of doomsday, these are weaker sources, and until I am tired of the mother lode, why would I seek them?
Glory be to G-d.
G-d want his people to be obiedent yes... but from love to Him and His commandments acording to fee will not from fear or duress... That's why jews and christians are called the children of G-d and muslim are only slaves... to Satan. And no christians even those persuing the replecment theology will call Abraham "christian" even my catholic priest who teached me religion who didn't liked Jews much; called Abraham, Moses, David etc. always Israelites never Ishmaelites. Learn Hebrew, Arameic and Greek and throw away false Quran. And explain me this:
Hadith Sahih Muslim (41:6985) Abu Huraira reported allah’s messenger (may piss be upon him) as saying:
The last hour would not come unless the Muslims will fight against the Jews and the Muslims would kill them until the Jews would hide themselves behind a stone or a tree and a stone or a tree would say: Muslim, the servant of allah, there is a Jew behind me; come and kill him; but the tree Gharqad would not say, for it is the tree of the Jews.
Hadith Sahih Bukhari (4:52:176) Narrated ‘Abdullah bin ‘Umar:
allah’s Apostle said, “You (i.e. Muslims) will fight with the Jews till some of them will hide behind stones. The stones will (betray them) saying, ‘O ‘Abdullah (i.e. slave of Allah)! There is a Jew hiding behind me; so kill him.’ “
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Oh and Abdullah, you're not the only one who loves the Quran and beleives in it.
Demons beleive in the Quran, according to the Quran itself.
Have a look.
Qur'an 46:30 "We [Jinns/Demons] have heard a Book revealed after Moses, confirming what came before it: it guides to the Truth and to a Straight Path.' 'O our people, hearken to the one who invites (you) to Allah, and believe in him. He will forgive you your sins, and deliver you from a Penalty Grievous.'"
The demons are doing exactly what you are doing, inviting people to Allah.
Tabari VI:116
Ishaq:193 "When the Messenger despaired of getting any positive response from the Thaqif, he left Ta'if to return to Mecca. When he was at Nakhlah, he rose in the middle of the night to pray, and, as Allah has told [in the Qur'an], a number of the jinn [devils] passed by. They listened to him, and when he had completed his prayer they went back to their people to warn them, having believed and responded to what they had heard. Allah mentioned their story when he said: Qur'an 46:29 "Behold, We turned towards you (Muhammad) a company of Jinn who wished to hear the Qur'an: when they stood in the presence thereof, they said, 'Give ear!'"
Qur'an 72:1 "Say (Muhammad): 'It has been revealed to me that a group of (three to ten) Jinn [demons or devils] listened (to the Qur'an). They said, "We have heard a really wonderful recital (of this Qur'an)! It guides to the Right Path. We have come to believe it. We shall not associate anything with our Lord."
The reason that Demons beleive in the Quran is that it was inspired by the Devil himself as the Hadith testifies:
Tabari VI:110 "Thus Allah removed the sorrow from his Messenger, reassured him about that which he had feared, and cancelled the words which Satan had cast on his tongue, that their gods were exalted high-flying cranes (goddesses) whose intercession was accepted with approval. He now revealed, following the mention of 'Al-Lat, Al-Uzza, and Manat,' the words: 'are yours the males and his the females? That indeed is an unfair division!"
Qur'an 22:53 "He may make the suggestions thrown in by Satan, the Devil's proposals, but a trial and temptation for those in whose hearts is a disease. Verily the wrong-doers are in a schism. And those on whom knowledge has been bestowed may learn that the (Qur'an) is the truth from your Lord, that they may believe, and their hearts may submit lowly before it."
Read this, anyone who is bothered by the fact that Muhammad admitted that some of the Quran was actually the words of the devil is one of " those in whose hearts is a disease"
Tabari VI:110 "When Muhammad brought a revelation from Allah canceling what Satan had cast on the tongue of His Prophet, the Quraysh said, 'Muhammad has repented of what he said concerning the position of our gods with Allah."
In other words, Muhammad was a pagan prophet.
In fact Muhammad admits many times in the Hadith to being posessed by the Devil.
Muslim:C14B39N6759 "Aisha, the wife of Allah's Apostle, reported: 'Allah's Messenger left my apartment during the night. Then he came and he saw me in an agitated state.' He said: "Aisha, what has happened to you? Do you feel jealous?" I said: "How can it be that a girl like me would not feel jealous in regard to a husband like you? Thereupon Allah's Messenger said: "It is your devil who has come to you." I said: "Allah's Messenger, is there a devil with me?" He said: "Yes." I said: "Is there a devil attached to everyone?" He said: "Yes." I said: "Allah's Messenger, is there a devil attached to you also?" He said: "Yes."'"
Muslim:C14B39N6757 "Allah's Messenger said: 'There is none amongst you with whom is not an attaché from amongst the jinn, a devil.' The Companions said: 'Allah's Messenger, is there a devil with you too?' Thereupon he said: 'Yes, but Allah helps me against him so I am safe from his hand and he does not command me but for good.'"
Apparently murder, rape, pedophilia and piracy is GOOD.
Bukhari:V6B60N475 "Allah's Apostle became sick and could not offer his prayer. A lady came and said, 'Muhammad! I think that your Satan has forsaken you, for I have not seen him with you for two or three nights!' On that Allah revealed: 'By the night when it darkens, your Lord has neither forsaken you, nor hated you.'" [93:1]
Muhammad's Lord apparently is his Satan that is always attached to him and never leaves.
Qur'an 46:30 "We [Jinns/Demons] have heard a Book revealed after Moses, confirming what came before it: it guides to the Truth and to a Straight Path.' 'O our people, hearken to the one who invites (you) to Allah, and believe in him. He will forgive you your sins, and deliver you from a Penalty Grievous.'"
Anyone want to know what demons think is the Truth and the Straight Path?
The Quran. You're right Abdullah. How could anyone NOT beleive in the Quran after such vigorous Demonic endorsement?
Bukhari:V2B21N245 "A person slept in and missed the morning prayer. So the Prophet said, 'Satan urinated in his ears.'"
A Metaphor for anyone who has listened to the Filthy Evil Satanic Nazi Quran, Satan has urinated in his ears.
Bukhari:V4B54N494 "Allah's Apostle said, 'When the upper edge of the sun appears in the morning, don't perform a prayer till it has risen. When the lower edge of the sun sets, don't perform a prayer till it has set, for the sun rises between two sides of the Satan's head.'"
Bukhari:V4B54N516 "The Prophet said, 'If anyone rouses from sleep and performs ablution, he should wash his nose by putting water in it and then blow it out thrice because Satan has stayed in the upper part of his nose all the night.'"
Ishaq:72 "Some months after Muhammad's return to the desert two men in white seized the boy, threw him down and opened up his belly, stirring it up. His wet nurse said, 'I am afraid that this child has had a stroke, so I want to take him back before the result appears.' She carried him back to Muhammad's mother and said, 'I am afraid that ill will befall him, so I have brought him back to you.' She asked what had happened. I said, 'I fear that a demon has possessed him.'"
Ishaq:90 "Jewish rabbis, Christian monks, and Arab soothsayers had spoken about the Apostle of Allah before his mission when his time drew near. The rabbis and monks found his description in their scriptures. The Arab occultists had been visited by satans from the jinn with reports which they had secretly overheard before they were prevented form hearing by being pelted with stars."
Ishaq:91 "The Prophet explained the nature of shooting stars. 'Allah shut off the satans by these stars which pelted them. So satans tried to steal information, listening in, mingling what they heard with conjecture and false intelligence. They conveyed it to the soothsayers.'"
Bukhari:V6B60N332 "The Prophet said, 'Last night a demon from the Jinn came to me to disturb my prayer, but Allah gave me the power to overcome him. I intended to tie him to one of the pillars of the mosque till the morning so that all of you could see him.'"
Bukhari:V5B58N199 "'Who informed you Prophet about the Jinn [Demons] when they heard the Qur'an?' He said, 'A tree informed me about them.'"
Tabari VI:73
Ishaq:107 "'Cousin, can you tell me when this visitor comes to you?' Muhammad replied, 'Yes.' She said, 'Tell me then, when he comes.' Gabriel came to him as before, and Muhammad said, 'Here is Gabriel who has just come to me.' She said, 'Yes? Come, cousin, and sit by my left thigh.' He came, and she said, 'Can you see him?' 'Yes.' 'Move around and sit by my right thigh.' He did so and she said, 'Can you see him?' 'Yes.' She said, 'Sit in my lap.' He did so, and she said, 'Can you see him?' He replied, 'Yes.' She was grieved, and flung off her veil and disclosed her body while the Apostle was sitting in her lap, inside her shift next to her body. Then she said, 'Can you see him?' 'No.' At that she said, 'Rejoice cousin. By Allah, this spirit is an angel and not Satan.'"
Qur'an 74:32 "Truly: I swear by the Moon as a witness, and by the darkness of night."
Ishaq:510 "When the Apostle looked down on Khaybar he told his Companions, 'O Allah, Lord of the heavens and what they overshadow, and Lord of the Devils and what into error they throw, and Lord of the winds and what they winnow, we ask Thee for the booty of this town and its people. Forward in the name of Allah.'"
Ishaq:106 "None of Allah's creatures was more hateful to me than an ecstatic poet or a man possessed. I thought, 'Woe is me, I'm a possessed poet.'"
Ishaq:106 "I will go to the top of the mountain and throw myself down that I may kill myself and be at rest."
If only he had done so, the world would be a much more peaceful place.
Ishaq:106 "I stood gazing at him and that distracted me from committing suicide. I couldn't move. Khadija sent her messengers in search of me and they gained the high ground above Mecca so I came to her and sat by her thigh. She said, 'O Abu'l-Qasim [Muhammad's actual name], where have you been?' I said, 'Woe is me. I am possessed.'"
Tabari VI:70 "He went to Khadija and said, 'I think that I have gone mad.'"
Ishaq:132-3 "If this demonic spirit which has possession of you is such that you cannot get rid of him, we will find a physician for you, and exhaust our means trying to cure you. For often a demonic spirit gets possession of a man, but he can be rid of it.' The Apostle listened patiently."
Qur'an 74:32 "No, truly: I swear by the Moon as a witness, and by the darkness of night as it wanes. And by the dawn as it is unveiled, surely Hell is one of the greatest signs and gravest misfortunes, a warning to men."
Qur'an 69:43 "This is a Message sent down from the Lord of men and jinn [demons]. And if the Messenger were to attribute any false words to Us, We would seize him and cut his aorta. None of you would be able to stop Us. So truly this is a Message for those who fear. Yet We know that there are those who deny and belie (this Qur'an). But truly this (Qur'an) revelation is a cause of sorrow and anguish; the nemesis of unbelievers."
The Demons just want you to know how much they love the Quran!!!!!!!!!!!!
Qur'an 68:1 "I call to witness the Pen and what it writes. You are not a demented madman or possessed."
Qur'an 68:51 "And the unbelievers would almost smite you (Muhammad) with their eyes, tripping you when they hear the Message. And they say: 'Surely he is possessed!'"
Bukhari:V6B60N662 "Allah's Apostle said, 'Some eloquent speech is as effective as magic.'"
Bukhari:V9B87N127 "The Prophet said, 'I have been given the keys of eloquent speech.'"
Bukhari:V6B60N658 "A man worked magic on Allah's Apostle until he started imagining that he had done a thing that he had not really done."
This is the Night's Journey which is the sole Muslim claim to Jerusalem. The Hadith itself says it was the product of a diseased mind plagued by sorcery.
Muslim:B001N0244
Bukhari:V4B54N496 "The Messenger of Allah observed: 'Satan comes to everyone of you and says, "Who created this and that," until he asks, "Who created your Lord?" When he comes to that, one should seek refuge and keep away from such idle thoughts.'"
Qur'an 72:13 "So, since we [Jinn/Devils] have listened to the guidance (of the Qur'an), we have accepted (Islam): and any who believes in his Lord has no fear of loss, force, or oppression."
Devils LOVE ISLAM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
DEMONS ARE GOOD MUSLIMS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Qur'an 81:24 "Neither is he a concealer, withholding knowledge of the unseen. Nor is it (the Qur'an) the Word of an evil spirit accursed, the utterance of a devil, the curses of Satan."
Qur'an 81:26 "Then where are you going? Verily this (Qur'an) is no less than a reminder to all the Alamin (men and jinn [demons or devils])."
Qur'an 89:1 "I swear by the dawn, and the ten nights, and the even and the odd, and the night when it departs."
Qur'an 92:1 "I swear by the night when it draws a veil."
Qur'an 6:66 "The people reject this (Book) and call it a lie though it is the truth. Say: 'I am not a warden over you.' ...When you see men who meddle with Our Revelations, turn away, withdrawing from them. Satan makes you forget."
Bukhari:V7B71N660 "Magic was worked on Allah's Apostle so that he used to think that he had sexual relations with his wives while he actually had not. That is the hardest kind of magic as it has such an effect. One day he said, 'O Aisha, do you know that Allah has instructed me concerning the matter I asked Him about? Two men came to me and one of them sat near my head and the other near my feet. The one asked, "What is wrong with this man?" "He is under the effect of magic." "Who cast the magic spell on him?" "Labid, an Arab ally of the Jews and a hypocrite." "What material did he use to cast the spell?" "A comb with hair stuck to it." "Where is that comb and hair?" "In a skin of pollen of a male palm tree kept under a stone in the well of Dharwan."' So the Prophet went to that well and took out those things, saying, 'That was the well shown to me in the dream. Its water looked red and its palms looked like the heads of devils. My companions removed those things.' I said, 'Why didn't you just treat yourself?' He said, 'Allah has cured me, and I don't want to spread evil among my people.'"
Bukhari:V7B71N661 "Magic was worked on Allah's Apostle so that he began to imagine he had done something although he had not. While he was with me, he invoked Allah for a long period and then said, 'Aisha! Do you know what Allah has instructed me to do regarding the matter I asked Him about?' 'What is that?' He said, 'Two men came to me. One said, "What is the disease of this man?" The other replied, "He is under the effect of magic." "Who has worked magic on him?" "Labid, a Jew from the Zuraiq tribe."'"
Bukhari:V5B58N200 "I carried a water pot for the Prophet's ablution and for cleaning his private parts. While following him with the pot, the Prophet turned and said, 'Who are you?' 'I am Abu.' The Prophet said, 'Bring me stones in order to clean my private parts, but do not bring any bones or animal dung.' So I brought some stones, carrying them in the corner of my robe till I put them by his side. When he finished, I walked with him and asked, 'What can you tell me about the bones and the animal dung?' He said, 'They are of the food of Jinns [Devils]. A delegate of Jinns of the city of Nasibin came to me - and how nice those Jinns were - and asked me for the remains of human food. I invoked Allah for them that they would never pass by a bone or animal dung but find food on them.'"
Bukhari:V1B11N582 "Allah's Apostle said, 'When the Adhan [the call to prayer] is announced, Satan takes to his heels and passes wind with noise during his flight in order not to hear the Adhan.'"
Bukhari:V3B33N254 "Satan circulates in the human being as blood circulates. I was afraid lest Satan might insert an evil thought in your minds."
Bukhari:V6B61N530 "Allah's Apostle ordered me to guard the Zakat revenue. Then somebody came and started stealing food. I caught him and said, 'I'm going to take you to Allah's Apostle!' He replied, 'Please don't take me to him. If you spare me that fate I will tell you a few words by which Allah will benefit you.' So then he said, 'When you go to bed recite Ayat-al-Kursi, (2:255) for then a guard from Allah will protect you from Satan.' When the Prophet heard the story he said, 'He who came to you at night told you the truth although he is a liar; and it was Satan.'"
Tabari VI:107 "Satan Cast a False Qur'an Revelation on the Messenger of Allah's Tongue."
Qur'an 113:1 "Say: I seek refuge with the Lord of the Dawn from the mischief of the evil He created." Qur'an 113:3 "From the mischievous evil of Darkness as it becomes intensely dark, and from the mischief of those who practice the evil of malignant witchcraft and blowing on knots, and from the mischievous evil of the envier when he covets."
Qur'an 114:1 "Say: I seek refuge in the Lord of men and jinn [demons], the King of men and jinn, the Ilah (God) of men and jinn."
Qur'an 114:4 "From the evil of the sneaking Devil who Whispers Evil and withdraws after his whisper, the slinking Satan, the same who whispers into the hearts of mankind from among the jinn and men."
Qur'an 52:29 "Therefore remind: By the Grace of your Lord, you are no vulgar soothsayer, nor are you a possessed madman."
Qur'an 55:41 "The sinners will be seized by their forelock and feet. Which of the favors of your Lord will you then deny? This is the Hell the sinners called a lie. They will go round and round between its fierce fires and boiling water. Which of the favors of your Lord will you then deny?"
Ishaq:205
Tabari VI:133 "When we had all sworn the oath of allegiance to the Messenger, Satan shouted from the top of Aqabah in the most piercing and penetrating voice I have ever heard. 'People of the [pagan ritual] stations [of the idolatrous hajj] of Mina, do you want to follow a blameworthy reprobate?' The Messenger said, 'What does the Enemy of God say?' 'I am the Devil, and I shall deal with you!'"
Qur'an 8:10 "Allah made the victory [killing, kidnapping, and stealing] but a message of hope, a glad tiding, to reassure you. Victory [of this kind] comes only from Allah. Lo! Allah is Almighty. He covered you with slumber, as a security from Him. He sent down rain to clean you of the plague of evil suggestions of Satan, that you might plant your feet firmly."
Ishaq:327 "Allah said, 'A prophet must slaughter before collecting captives. A slaughtered enemy is driven from the land. Muhammad, you craved the desires of this world, its goods and the ransom captives would bring. But Allah desires killing them to manifest the religion.'"
Abdullah, If you are willing to give up the G-d of Avraham, Yishaq and Yaaqov for a "Prophet" who openly admits to being posessed by the Devil, YOU ARE COMPLETELY INSANE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Dear Italian Zionist,
these are the revelations of G-d. It is good that you are reading them. Whether you follow or not is your choice. The burden of free choice is a trust that humans have accepted.
You asked me to comment. I follow the revelations. If G-d will give me the strength, I hear and I obey. He gives us his limits. He has made it easy for us.
Peace be with you forever.
It's a REVELATION from G_d to condone the rape of women. Just think about what you're saying. Which G-d would condone this?...the moon G-d?
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Abdullah, you claim that you concentrate on the Quran, and that although you don't regect all Hadith because that would make you an infidel, you don't want to answer any questions about the Hadith.
Ok, Here's some Quran.
Qur'an 72:13 "So, since we [Jinn/Devils] have listened to the guidance (of the Qur'an), we have accepted (Islam): and any who believes in his Lord has no fear of loss, force, or oppression."
Answer me why Demons love the Quran, Beleive in it and have Accepted Islam.
Why would any sane person want to worship the same "Lord" as Demons?
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These quotes prove that Islam is a satanic cult. Open your eyes Abdullah before it's too late. You cannot follow islam without addressing these quotes..
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Re: "...I didn't know that Muslims refer to jesus as "Jesus Christ" is this accurate?..."
They call him The Prophet Issa and believe that he didn't die on the cross, but was taken down while still alive; living happily ever after as a "good Muslim". Islam does not recognize Jesus as the Son of G-d and Messiah, insisting that he was just another Muslim Prophet.
The Islamic version of "End Time Prophecies" claims that Jesus will return to Mecca, where the frenzied rabble will call for him to lead Muslims in prayer. According to Islam, Jesus will turn to the crowd gathered at the Kaaba, and ask "How dare you ask me...a worthless nobody to lead you in prayer, when our Caliph, who far exceeds my status, should lead us all in prayer to Allah!"
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These quotes prove that Islam is a satanic cult. Open your eyes Abdullah before it's too late. You cannot follow islam without addressing these quotes..
iSSlam is a Nazi KKKult! >:(
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Whenever I bring out these quotes, Muslims always run away.
I have done this many times on youtube and on forums and I have NEVER gotten a single answer on these quotes by ANY Muslim.
They run away like frightened children when their Satanic "Prophet" is exposed.
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Whenever I bring out these quotes, Muslims always run away.
I have done this many times on youtube and on forums and I have NEVER gotten a single answer on these quotes by ANY Muslim.
They run away like frightened children when their Satanic "Prophet" is exposed.
They're awesome, do you have a source of them?
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Whenever I bring out these quotes, Muslims always run away.
I have done this many times on youtube and on forums and I have NEVER gotten a single answer on these quotes by ANY Muslim.
They run away like frightened children when their Satanic "Prophet" is exposed.
They're awesome, do you have a source of them?
Go on prophetofdoom.net and click on the Islamic quotes tab.
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Whenever I bring out these quotes, Muslims always run away.
I have done this many times on youtube and on forums and I have NEVER gotten a single answer on these quotes by ANY Muslim.
They run away like frightened children when their Satanic "Prophet" is exposed.
They're awesome, do you have a source of them?
Go on prophetofdoom.net and click on the Islamic quotes tab.
Thanks JNC geat site I b-marked it. O0
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Whenever I bring out these quotes, Muslims always run away.
I have done this many times on youtube and on forums and I have NEVER gotten a single answer on these quotes by ANY Muslim.
They run away like frightened children when their Satanic "Prophet" is exposed.
They're awesome, do you have a source of them?
Go on prophetofdoom.net and click on the Islamic quotes tab.
Thanks JNC geat site I b-marked it. O0
Just as a warning. Craig Winn is a very interesting religious thinker and he puts quite a bit of his religious ideas that are blasphemous to both Judaism and Normative Christianity.
I don't know if you are Jewish or Christian but either way you may be offended by his forceful religious opinions, but his exposure of Islam is astounding.
He literally quotes 90% of the Quran, you can't claim that it is being taken out of context when 90% of it has been quoted in the book.
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Abdullah, you claim that you concentrate on the Quran, and that although you don't regect all Hadith because that would make you an infidel, you don't want to answer any questions about the Hadith.
Ok, Here's some Quran.
Qur'an 72:13 "So, since we [Jinn/Devils] have listened to the guidance (of the Qur'an), we have accepted (Islam): and any who believes in his Lord has no fear of loss, force, or oppression."
Answer me why Demons love the Quran, Beleive in it and have Accepted Islam.
Why would any sane person want to worship the same "Lord" as Demons?
Judeaoncapta, Jinns in Islam are not all considered evil.
In Islam, God created Adam in the heavens and ordered his creation:
-The Jinns made out of fire and the Angels out of light- to bow down to Adam. However one Jinn did not because he believed that he was greater then a human moulded out of a substance.
So God banished that Jinn who had many followers, and this is Satan who was granted the right to try and get people off the path of Islam. However The Jinns are an entire creation and some are good Jinns......the others followers of Satan. They are all Gods creation and recognise him as so. They have accepted Islam because they know that God exists. Thats why they believe in it but the bad jinns have been set as a test to human kind to drag them away from Islam so they can go to hell.
Wouldn't the demons be a creation of their master, who they must worship.....but have their own roles.
Well, thats the Islamic view i'm sure.
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Gee thanks!
Too bad I don't believe in demon superstitions!
I would never follow a religion that believes in those superstitious things. It really does NO favor to the religion either. Just FYI.
I wouldn't rely refer to them as demons...muslims don't consider them in the same way demons and devils are typically shown as on TV or pictures.
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I will answer the hadiths that you posed Judeaoncapta.....
"Allah's Apostle said, ‘The prayer of a person who does Hadath (passes urine, stool or wind) is not accepted till he performs ablution.'"
Ablution is the complete wudu before muslims do salah, if you go to the toilet and do not very nice things, the whole ablution needs to be done again. That is the routine of washing: hands, mouth, nose, face, arms, wiping a wet hand over your hair, ears and feet.......including cleaning yourself apprpriately. Mainly because you are spiritually impure to stand before God and also physically.
You said that it requires a message from God for them to wash their hands coming out of the bathroom....they should do that anyway...but this message tells them to do more. They wouldn't have done so otherwise except make their wudu once and think it was kept for the whole day even after they've been to the toilet.
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Abdullah, you claim that you concentrate on the Quran, and that although you don't regect all Hadith because that would make you an infidel, you don't want to answer any questions about the Hadith.
Ok, Here's some Quran.
Qur'an 72:13 "So, since we [Jinn/Devils] have listened to the guidance (of the Qur'an), we have accepted (Islam): and any who believes in his Lord has no fear of loss, force, or oppression."
Answer me why Demons love the Quran, Beleive in it and have Accepted Islam.
Why would any sane person want to worship the same "Lord" as Demons?
Judeaoncapta, Jinns in Islam are not all considered evil.
In Islam, G-d created Adam in the heavens and ordered his creation:
-The Jinns made out of fire and the Angels out of light- to bow down to Adam. However one Jinn did not because he believed that he was greater then a human moulded out of a substance.
So G-d banished that Jinn who had many followers, and this is Satan who was granted the right to try and get people off the path of Islam. However The Jinns are an entire creation and some are good Jinns......the others followers of Satan. They are all Gods creation and recognise him as so. They have accepted Islam because they know that G-d exists. Thats why they believe in it but the bad jinns have been set as a test to human kind to drag them away from Islam so they can go to hell.
Wouldn't the demons be a creation of their master, who they must worship.....but have their own roles.
Well, thats the Islamic view i'm sure.
Sarah, I am not surprised at all that Islam thinks that some Demons are good.
I am not surprised at all.
Now, Sarah will you answer how you can beleive in a prophet who openly admitted that part of of his prophecy came from the Devil and who after he had his first revelation was convinced that he was demon-posessed.
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Mills, why do you say that Abraham was not a Jew?
The Torah calls his Avaraham HaIvri. Abraham the hebrew.
The Hebrew, Israelite, Jew. These are all names for the same nation.
First we were the Hibaru Tribe, then the nation of Israel and then after the tribes were exiled, only the tribes of Judah Benjamin and Levi were left, and then we became known as Jews because Judah was the largest most dominant and Kingly tribe.
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Technically, Abraham was a noachide chassid, not a Jew/Israelite.
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A reply to Judeanoncapta,
the genies are of good and bad disposition, as shown in the same chapter as the one you've cited:
Say, "I was inspired that a group of spirits who listened, then said, `We have heard a wonderful reading. It guides to righteousness, and we have believed in it; we will never set up any idols beside our Lord. `The Most High is our only Lord. He never had a mate, nor a son. `It is the foolish among us who used to utter such nonsense about God. `We thought that neither the humans, nor the genies, could possibly utter lies about God. `Human beings used to seek power through spirit beings, but they only afflicted them with a lot of adversity. `They thought, just like you thought, that God would not send another messenger. `We touched the heaven and found it filled with formidable guards and missiles. `We used to sit there in order to spy. Anyone who listens is pursued by a powerful missile. `We have no idea if something bad is intended for the inhabitants of earth, or if their Lord wills to redeem them.
Here's the line: `Some of us are righteous, and some are less than righteous; we follow various paths.
The chapter continues:
`We knew full well that we can never run away from God on earth; we can never run away and escape.
`When we heard the guidance, we believed therein. Anyone who believes in his Lord will never fear any injustice, nor any affliction. `Among us are the submitters, and among us are the compromisers.' As for those who submitted, they are on the right path. As for the compromisers, they will be fuel for hell. If they remain on the right path, we will bless them with abundant water. We will surely test them all. As for him who disregards the message of his Lord, He will direct him to ever increasing retribution. The places of worship belong to God; do not call on anyone else beside God. When God's servant advocated Him alone, almost all of them banded together to oppose him.
Say, "I worship only my Lord; I never set up any idols beside Him." Say, "I possess no power to harm you, nor to guide you." Say, "No one can protect me from God, nor can I find any other refuge beside Him. "I deliver God's proclamations and messages." Those who disobey God and his messenger incur the fire of hell, wherein they abide forever. Once they see what is awaiting them, they will find out who is really weaker in power, and fewer in number. Say, "I do not know if what is promised to you will happen soon, or if my Lord will delay it for awhile." He is the knower of the future; He does not reveal the future to anyone. Only to a messenger that He chooses, does He reveal from the past and the future, specific news. This is to ascertain that they have delivered their Lord's messages. He is fully aware of what they have. He has counted the numbers of all things.
Glory be to God, who knows which scriptures contain error and which do not. I didn't see the Qur'an revealed before my eyes. I bought it in a bookshop. It is by my failure to refute it that I came to believe it was true. It was by my getting sick of fighting against it that I found life was easier to accept it than fight it. It was by calling on God for guidance that I saw the parts I couldn't see.
Only God will ever guide me. If I'm lost, He made me lost. If I'm in the right, He made me in the right. So, if Moses foretold of Mohammad's mission, why is it a strange thing to you that the mission came to bear? Read Deuteronomy, all of it, on a day of fasting, and prostrate much, and beg God for guidance, and tell me if your conscience still has resistance to the scriptures of Mohammad.
Don't tell me about your resistance to the actions of the last Muslims to join the flock, the Indonesians, the Pakistanis, their errors are but a test of God to see which of them will joined the family of the book, and which of them will adopt the faith of Abraham. Those nations are still removing their statues and their voodoo dolls, they are not in your league. So, friends, have no doubt of the mercy of God.
He wants to remove from you the burdens of the past, ease the path for you. He repealed the law of kill for kill, he replaced it will the option of kill for kill, where mercy is preferred to killing, and forgiveness is preferred. So kill one for one if you must, but forgive if you can, for it is better in the sight of God. Qur'an chapter 5:40-50.
This is the mercy of your Lord. He also made laws of marriage and divorce as mercies, in touch with man's growth and the events of civilisation. He knows. He's written all this in advance. Look at Isaiah's vision of it all: the islands will put faith in the law of the gentiles' prophet. What is sharia? Faith in his law.
Glory be to God
One of the comments in this thread was along these lines: "Don't tell us to ask God for guidance, that's what the Mormons do".
Friends, if you can ask God for guidance, who will guide you? If you can't be lead by Him, who will lead you. This was a faithless comment. Ask God. Ask God. He will guide you and He will forgive you for every error.
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Please, don't reply to me about end times prophecies. They are not my focus, and they are for the people who need MTV or coffee. The essence of our religion, yours and mine, from the Muslim viewpoint, is discussed in chapter 17 of the Quran. This is the chapter which shows how Mohammad was educated in religion by God.
He went on a night journey. God showed him things.
It mentions here the essence, the core, of his religion post-Abraham, and it stands good for the Mosaic and the Mohammadan equally if I'm not mistaken.
You shall not set up any other god beside God, lest you end up despised and disgraced. Your Lord has decreed that you shall not worship except Him, and your parents shall be honored. As long as one or both of them live, you shall never say to them, 'Uff', nor shall you shout at them; you shall treat them amicably. And lower for them the wings of humility, and kindness, and say, 'My Lord, have mercy on them, for they have raised me from infancy'. Your Lord is fully aware of your innermost thoughts. If you maintain righteousness, He is forgiver of those who repent. You shall give the due alms to the relatives, the needy, the poor, and the traveling alien, but do not be excessive, extravagant.
The extravagant are brethren of the devils, and the devil is unappreciative of his Lord. Even if you have to turn away from them, as you pursue the mercy of your Lord, you shall treat them in the nicest manner. You shall not keep your hand stingily tied to your neck, nor shall you foolishly open it up, lest you end up blamed and sorry.
For your Lord increases the provision for anyone He chooses, and reduces it. He is fully cognizant of his creatures, He is the all-seeing. You shall not kill your children due to fear of poverty. We provide for them, as well as for you. Killing them is a gross offense. You shall not commit adultery; it is a gross sin, and an evil behavior.
You shall not kill any person - for God has made life sacred - except in the course of justice. If one is killed unjustly, then we give his heir authority to enforce justice. Thus, he shall not exceed the limits in avenging the murder; he will be helped. You shall not touch the orphans' money except for their own good, until they reach maturity. You shall fulfill your covenants, for a covenant is a great responsibility.
You shall give full measure when you trade, and weigh equitably. This is better and more righteous. You shall not accept any information, unless you verify it for yourself. I have given you the hearing, the eyesight, and the brain, and you are responsible for using them.
You shall not walk proudly on earth - you cannot bore through the earth, nor can you be as tall as the mountains. All bad behavior is condemned by your Lord. This is some of the wisdom inspired to you by your Lord. You shall not set up another god beside God, lest you end up in hellfire, blamed and defeated.
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Technically, Abraham was a noachide chassid, not a Jew/Israelite.
Technically, Yes.
But there was no such thing as a Jew or an Israelite at that time and Abraham was called a Hebrew.
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Technically, Abraham was a noachide chassid, not a Jew/Israelite.
Technically, Yes.
But there was no such thing as a Jew or an Israelite at that time and Abraham was called a Hebrew.
And Noah was an Australian.
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Abdullah, you claim that you concentrate on the Quran, and that although you don't regect all Hadith because that would make you an infidel, you don't want to answer any questions about the Hadith.
Ok, Here's some Quran.
Qur'an 72:13 "So, since we [Jinn/Devils] have listened to the guidance (of the Qur'an), we have accepted (Islam): and any who believes in his Lord has no fear of loss, force, or oppression."
Answer me why Demons love the Quran, Beleive in it and have Accepted Islam.
Why would any sane person want to worship the same "Lord" as Demons?
Judeaoncapta, Jinns in Islam are not all considered evil.
In Islam, G-d created Adam in the heavens and ordered his creation:
-The Jinns made out of fire and the Angels out of light- to bow down to Adam. However one Jinn did not because he believed that he was greater then a human moulded out of a substance.
So G-d banished that Jinn who had many followers, and this is Satan who was granted the right to try and get people off the path of Islam. However The Jinns are an entire creation and some are good Jinns......the others followers of Satan. They are all Gods creation and recognise him as so. They have accepted Islam because they know that G-d exists. Thats why they believe in it but the bad jinns have been set as a test to human kind to drag them away from Islam so they can go to hell.
Wouldn't the demons be a creation of their master, who they must worship.....but have their own roles.
Well, thats the Islamic view i'm sure.
Sarah, I am not surprised at all that Islam thinks that some Demons are good.
I am not surprised at all.
Now, Sarah will you answer how you can beleive in a prophet who openly admitted that part of of his prophecy came from the Devil and who after he had his first revelation was convinced that he was demon-posessed.
I told you they aren't demons. The word demon suggest evil creatures....they are jinns just a completely different creation some are good and some are bad. They aren't all demons.
The evil ones are said to be the devil because they are evil. The good ones are just jinns. There isn't that much detail regarding them.
Where does it say part of his prophecy came from the devil?
Islamic View:
After Muhammad had his first revelation he was shaken because the experience had been overpowering for him, he had also been given the initial revelation by angel Gabriel, thats why. He then returned back to his house to Khadijah and she narrated in a hadith that he was shaking and she had to hold him. He was confused and even thought that the devil had possessed him, this was because the first revelation was his first call to prophethood. Before hand, there was no Islam, neither did Muhammed realise his purpose......except he had tryed advocating good and preventing the worship of the Idols.
Muhammed was still confused so khadijah took him to her brother Waraq-bin-Nawfal who was a Christian monk, he affirmed Muhammed that he had not gone mad and wasn't possessed, and understood the signs and what he had experienced was that from God. Muhammad, then began to understand that what had happened....and then everything else began.
He thought he had gone mad because the religious experience was shocked and scared him, he was later affirmed after he settled with the thoughts.
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Abdullah, you claim that you concentrate on the Quran, and that although you don't regect all Hadith because that would make you an infidel, you don't want to answer any questions about the Hadith.
Ok, Here's some Quran.
Qur'an 72:13 "So, since we [Jinn/Devils] have listened to the guidance (of the Qur'an), we have accepted (Islam): and any who believes in his Lord has no fear of loss, force, or oppression."
Answer me why Demons love the Quran, Beleive in it and have Accepted Islam.
Why would any sane person want to worship the same "Lord" as Demons?
Judeaoncapta, Jinns in Islam are not all considered evil.
In Islam, G-d created Adam in the heavens and ordered his creation:
-The Jinns made out of fire and the Angels out of light- to bow down to Adam. However one Jinn did not because he believed that he was greater then a human moulded out of a substance.
So G-d banished that Jinn who had many followers, and this is Satan who was granted the right to try and get people off the path of Islam. However The Jinns are an entire creation and some are good Jinns......the others followers of Satan. They are all Gods creation and recognise him as so. They have accepted Islam because they know that G-d exists. Thats why they believe in it but the bad jinns have been set as a test to human kind to drag them away from Islam so they can go to hell.
Wouldn't the demons be a creation of their master, who they must worship.....but have their own roles.
Well, thats the Islamic view i'm sure.
Sarah, I am not surprised at all that Islam thinks that some Demons are good.
I am not surprised at all.
Now, Sarah will you answer how you can beleive in a prophet who openly admitted that part of of his prophecy came from the Devil and who after he had his first revelation was convinced that he was demon-posessed.
I told you they aren't demons.
lol
NO they're genies....which sooooo makes me want to convert to islam more.
I wish I could find a bottle or a lamp with Barbara Eden in it. :P
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I don't know how anyone could read the Koran and Hadith and then be convinced of the "truth" of Islam. It contains myths and bad science. A fly does not contain the disease on one wing and cure on the other. The sun does not set in pools of muddy water and there isn't a tribe of Jin living on the moon. It's a bunch of nonsense inspired by an illiterate bedouin culture who told tall tales around camp fires. I can forgive someone for being born into Islam and being brainwashed but for someone to read this drivel and actually convert to Islam is unforgivable and intellectual suicide. I also find the Hadiths and Koran full of rather crude regulations like putting water up your nose and blowing it out and a lot of focus on bodily functions in general and an obsession with torture and murder. The only reason Islam is a major "religion" is it was spread at the point of a sword and once it gains control of a nation they can never escape from its oppressive and smothering grasp for fear of death or torture. The founder Mohammed is one of the nastiest and unpleasant men in recorded history and he managed to break all of the 10 commandments during his wretched life. For muslims to say he is the greatest prophet greater than Moses or Jesus is completely insulting. He was an evil, evil man who would be incarcerated in any western country.
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Glory be to G-d, who knows which scriptures contain error and which do not. I didn't see the Qur'an revealed before my eyes. I bought it in a bookshop. It is by my failure to refute it that I came to believe it was true.
Aha, but I have refuted it quite well and you have not refuted me so I don't have your problem.
It was by my getting sick of fighting against it that I found life was easier to accept it than fight it. It was by calling on G-d for guidance that I saw the parts I couldn't see.
I beleive in G-d as well but I don't beleive in the prophecy of a man who raped an eight year old girl and had his minions cut off the heads of 900 Jewish men and boys while he laughed and yelled at the headless bodies. This is all in th Hadith.
Muhammad, according to the picture painted of him by Islamic sources was probably one of the most EVIL men ever to walk the earth.
So, if Moses foretold of Mohammad's mission, why is it a strange thing to you that the mission came to bear?
Where in the world do you see in the Prophecy of Moses, a reference to an Arab Pagan Pedophile Genocidal "Prophet?
Read Deuteronomy, all of it, on a day of fasting, and prostrate much, and beg G-d for guidance, and tell me if your conscience still has resistance to the scriptures of Mohammad.
How can you expect any amount of fasting to blind me to the fact that Muhammad murdered thousands of my people?
We will get our revenge for Banu Qanuka and Banu Kaybar. You can bank on that.
My consience demands it.
Don't tell me about your resistance to the actions of the last Muslims to join the flock, the Indonesians, the Pakistanis, their errors are but a test of G-d to see which of them will joined the family of the book, and which of them will adopt the faith of Abraham. Those nations are still removing their statues and their voodoo dolls, they are not in your league. So, friends, have no doubt of the mercy of G-d.
Ok, let's talk look at the monsters in Saudi Arabia. The first to join the Muslim flock.
Fifteen out of ninteen hijackers on 911 were Saudi and also Arabs are probably the most violent and savage people on planet earth.
He wants to remove from you the burdens of the past, ease the path for you. He repealed the law of kill for kill, he replaced it will the option of kill for kill, where mercy is preferred to killing, and forgiveness is preferred. So kill one for one if you must, but forgive if you can, for it is better in the sight of G-d. Qur'an chapter 5:40-50.
I'll say it again. Muhammad had 900 Innocent Jewish Men and Boys beheaded one by one and watched the whole thing which took quite a few hours.
Even Adolph Hitler never sat and watched the Gas Chambers of Auschwitz at work. Only Muhammad could be so sick.
Look at Isaiah's vision of it all: the islands will put faith in the law of the gentiles' prophet. What is sharia? Faith in his law.
Please furnish relevant quotes in Isaiah.
He went on a night journey. G-d showed him things.
Even Muhammad's wife says that the night journey was a hallucination brought on by witchcraft. I quoted this to you already.
Abdullah, if you think that I will beleive in the insane ramblings of a Genocidal Lunatic who murdered thousands of my people, youo picked the wrong Jew.
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Technically, Abraham was a noachide chassid, not a Jew/Israelite.
Technically, Yes.
But there was no such thing as a Jew or an Israelite at that time and Abraham was called a Hebrew.
And Noah was an Australian.
Say What?!?!?!?!
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Genies?! Wth, Abdullah jinns don't grant you wishes.
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Where does it say part of his prophecy came from the devil?
Here are the relevant quotes, Sarah:
Tabari VI:110 "Thus Allah removed the sorrow from his Messenger, reassured him about that which he had feared, and cancelled the words which Satan had cast on his tongue, that their gods were exalted high-flying cranes (goddesses) whose intercession was accepted with approval. He now revealed, following the mention of 'Al-Lat, Al-Uzza, and Manat,' the words: 'are yours the males and his the females? That indeed is an unfair division!"
Qur'an 22:53 "He may make the suggestions thrown in by Satan, the Devil's proposals, but a trial and temptation for those in whose hearts is a disease. Verily the wrong-doers are in a schism. And those on whom knowledge has been bestowed may learn that the (Qur'an) is the truth from your Lord, that they may believe, and their hearts may submit lowly before it."
Read this, anyone who is bothered by the fact that Muhammad admitted that some of the Quran was actually the words of the devil is one of " those in whose hearts is a disease"
Tabari VI:110 "When Muhammad brought a revelation from Allah canceling what Satan had cast on the tongue of His Prophet, the Quraysh said, 'Muhammad has repented of what he said concerning the position of our gods with Allah."
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"Spy not behind the backs of others. Would any of you like to eat the flesh of his dead brother?"
No thank you. I'll pass on eating my brother's carcass.
Bukhari:V1B3N68
Another one Judeaoncapta. This is more of a figure of speech....however some muslims say it is the punishment that one receives if they spy,slandar or backbite, in the hellfire or the Day of Judgement.
I actually think it says a lot. Backbiting, spying and slandaring that causes harm and ridicule to another person, yet is committed behind their backs and out of reach of their hearing...is like destroying them without them being able to defend themselves since they don't know. For another human to do this, bit by bit, rumour by rumour, its taken in the same context as picking and eating the flesh of another human destroying them.
It is usually in reference to gossip and talking behind the backs of others secretly which is considered bad.
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Sarah, we can deal with the funny Islamic quotes later.
First please adress the Satanic quotes. Namely these:
Tabari VI:110 "Thus Allah removed the sorrow from his Messenger, reassured him about that which he had feared, and cancelled the words which Satan had cast on his tongue, that their gods were exalted high-flying cranes (goddesses) whose intercession was accepted with approval. He now revealed, following the mention of 'Al-Lat, Al-Uzza, and Manat,' the words: 'are yours the males and his the females? That indeed is an unfair division!"
Qur'an 22:53 "He may make the suggestions thrown in by Satan, the Devil's proposals, but a trial and temptation for those in whose hearts is a disease. Verily the wrong-doers are in a schism. And those on whom knowledge has been bestowed may learn that the (Qur'an) is the truth from your Lord, that they may believe, and their hearts may submit lowly before it."
Read this, anyone who is bothered by the fact that Muhammad admitted that some of the Quran was actually the words of the devil is one of " those in whose hearts is a disease"
Tabari VI:110 "When Muhammad brought a revelation from Allah canceling what Satan had cast on the tongue of His Prophet, the Quraysh said, 'Muhammad has repented of what he said concerning the position of our gods with Allah."
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Glory be to God
Peace be with you, for the sake of God. With peace we remain in discussion. We are so lucky, compared to those who now live in the lands described in the Tanach, and who now fight over them.
If they were trying to discuss these things, perhaps someone would be dead already. I don't know. I shouldn't mention it, but it is a reality, and we each are still alive, and have time to ask God for more mercy for ourselves or our loved ones. Thanks be to God.
A reply to Mills.
The scripture I read never commands a submitter to hate every Jew. The scripture commands the submitter to talk to the Jew with the revelations guiding the discussion. This is what I'm commanded in my relations to you.
If a Jew has strayed so far from the Torah that he is no longer recognisable as a follower of God's religion, I would begin to be upset with him, but then I would just not live near him, and not spend my money in his shop.
I would not eat with him except for the sake of this propagation or for the sake of glorifying God's name together. I would not revile him or be jealous. I would busy myself with something useful, God willing.
Where the book mentions the errors of the Jews, this is a kindness from God, as God is the one that can bring up the topic and then forgive the repenting person.
As I'm not God, I bring up the topics in the wrong moments, and sometimes, I add my own guesses. The guess that some of the Children of Israel must have thought Moses was God or an incarnation of God is my own work.
I think it's a fair guess. If I'm wrong, it's my error and I bear it. The scripture mentions that Christians have deified Jesus, to different degrees, and I can't argue with that. I've met a number of elders and priests who have literally exclaimed to me with wide eyes and open arms "But Jesus is God!".
Not all of them think this. Some of them see that Jesus was a teacher, teaching the Jews and reminding them, but these people are generally not found near churches in my experience.
Perhaps in another era there might have been Christians who did not give Jesus a share in divinity. Apparently in Egypt there have been many. The Mount of Sinai is more likely to be a place to find correct accounts of Jesus' teachings, because the Mount of Sinai is used in the Qur'an as something sworn by:
By the fig and the olive. By Mount Sinai. And this honored town. We created man in the best design. Then turned him into the lowliest of the lowly. Except those who believe and lead a righteous life; they receive a reward that is well deserved. Why do you still reject the faith? Is God not the most wise, of all the wise ones?
So, please forgive me if I've offended you. I don't know all your actions, and I didn't enter this forum to annoy you or insult you. The criticisms of the scripture against people of the book obviously only apply to those who are guilty of such transgressions.
In every religion there are people obeying and people not obeying. That is across all religions if I'm not mistaken. The Qur'an mentions: Surely, those who believe, those who are Jewish, the Christians, and the converts; anyone who believes in God, and believes in the last day, and leads a righteous life, will receive their recompense from their Lord. They have nothing to fear, nor will they grieve.
Peace be with you and thank you for your time.
Please don't fund the killing. Please show patience and ask the Israelis to let the electricity be on. Shouldn't they let the electricity be switched on in the hospitals? I hope my information is not incorrect from the media.
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Please don't fund the killing. Please show patience and ask the Israelis to let the electricity be on. Shouldn't they let the electricity be switched on in the hospitals? I hope my information is not incorrect from the media.
Israelis have no obligation to continue to give FREE electricity and water to people who are actively trying to kill them.
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Qur'an 22:53 "He may make the suggestions thrown in by Satan, the Devil's proposals, but a trial and temptation for those in whose hearts is a disease. Verily the wrong-doers are in a schism. And those on whom knowledge has been bestowed may learn that the (Qur'an) is the truth from your Lord, that they may believe, and their hearts may submit lowly before it."
Ok. Firstly the Quranic verse....i read it but it didn't really make sense, until i had to look up the preceding verse, here it is:
22:52 Never did We send an apostle or a prophet before thee, but, when he framed a desire, Satan threw some (vanity) into his desire: but Allah will cancel anything (vain) that Satan throws in, and Allah will confirm (and establish) His Signs: for Allah is full of Knowledge and Wisdom:
22:53: That He may make the suggestions thrown in by Satan, but a trial for those in whose hearts is a disease and who are hardened of heart: verily the wrong-doers are in a schism far (from the Truth).
The verse before states that God will cancel and eradicate anything that Satan throws in, and confirm his signs through e.g. nature ,the holy books etc.
The next verse, the one you quoted.....is not talking about Muhammed but God Himself, because its with a capital H in "He".......and this verse basically means that the suggestions Satan made (that were eradicated by God because they were Vain, so don't mix with the verses or prophecies) are actually used by God as a test, trial and temptation (this could be say, greed) to test those whos hearts are blackened with sin, thus diseased and hardened...thats the reason you could find this (greed) inside them because they succumb to it and disease their heart with sins. These people do not open their hearts to faith so they stay bad.
These people are of course wrong-doers and are not following the truth because they remain (greedy) and do not repent.
That verse has nothing to do with the revelations coming from demons...?! You highlighted one part but not the rest.
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Thus Allah removed the sorrow from his Messenger, reassured him about that which he had feared, and cancelled the words which Satan had cast on his tongue, that their gods were exalted high-flying cranes (goddesses) whose intercession was accepted with approval. He now revealed, following the mention of 'Al-Lat, Al-Uzza, and Manat,' the words: 'are yours the males and his the females? That indeed is an unfair division!"
When Muhammad was talking to the Quraysh he said something that was wrong regarding their idols, so God sent down a revelation telling him he was wrong, correcting him and telling him that he had been affected by the evil whispering of Satan. The prophet said something good about the idols out of ignorance, and Allah sent more teachings down disproving this. Nothing about revelations being satanic. It wasn't even regarding revelations just whilst he was talking and made a mistake which humans do.
Tabari VI:110 "When Muhammad brought a revelation from Allah canceling what Satan had cast on the tongue of His Prophet, the Quraysh said, 'Muhammad has repented of what he said concerning the position of our gods with Allah."
This is just reiterating the hadith that i just wrote about. The revelation that Allah sent to Muhammad, telling him he was wrong and what he said had been cast upon his tongue by Satan (not a revelation) .......had obviously been understood and repented for by Muhammad and when he spread of its word and told the Quraysh that what he said was wrong and they just said that Muhammad had repented to Allah for what he said.
The Quran is meant to be from God in the muslims view so, Muhammad has nothing to do with its words that are written but just in the spreading of Islam and receiving of these revelations.
I have said something about all the quotes, how about the ones i explained before?
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AbdullahSydney,
You are completely insane and a homicidal maniac.
You believe yourself to be in possession of the complete and final revelation from G-d.
In actual fact, a Marxist or Atheist can always point to you and others like you, as lending credence to their argument that all religions are evil and must be eradicated.
I strongly suggest you and your fellow travelers return to Mecca and Medina where you belong, because "when push comes to shove", it will be Islam and its followers that will be eradicated.
Take my advice..go back where you came from.
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Ok. Firstly the Quranic verse....i read it but it didn't really make sense, until i had to look up the preceding verse, here it is:
The verse before states that G-d will cancel and eradicate anything that Satan throws in, and confirm his signs through e.g. nature ,the holy books etc.
So you beleive that Satan threw some words into Muhammad's mouth?
By your own admission.
Sarah, I think you are a very nice young person but I cannot, for the life of me, understand how you can beleive a "Prophet" who according to his own admission cannot tell what verses are from
G-d and which verses are from Satan.
I simply am blown away by the fact that you trust his prophecy when he openly claims that he can't tell the difference between G-d speaking and Satan speaking.
The next verse, the one you quoted.....is not talking about Muhammed but G-d Himself, because its with a capital H in "He".......and this verse basically means that the suggestions Satan made (that were eradicated by G-d because they were Vain, so don't mix with the verses or prophecies) are actually used by G-d as a test, trial and temptation (this could be say, greed) to test those whos hearts are blackened with sin, thus diseased and hardened...
How does this "test" people and how is refusal to beleive a "Prophet" who according the his own admission cannot tell what verses are from G-d and which verses are from Satan indicative of Greed?
And if they don't mix with the prophecies, how do they test anyone?
They clearly did mix with the propecies as Muhammad's "Have you considered AlManat Alat and AlUzzah" verse in which he tells the Qurayza that Allah's daughters are great intercessors MADE IT'S WAY INTO THE QURAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
thats the reason you could find this (greed) inside them because they succumb to it and disease their heart with sins. These people do not open their hearts to faith so they stay bad.
I would say that some one who refuses to beleive in a prophet who cannot tell the difference between G-d and Satan is NOT bad.
Any sane person would close his heart to faith in such a prophet.
These people are of course wrong-doers and are not following the truth because they remain (greedy) and do not repent.
Sarah, please tell me why people who disbeleive the insane and stupid prophecies of Muhammad are greedy.
That verse has nothing to do with the revelations coming from demons...?! You highlighted one part but not the rest.
When Muhammad was talking to the Quraysh he said something that was wrong regarding their idols, so G-d sent down a revelation telling him he was wrong, correcting him and telling him that he had been affected by the evil whispering of Satan.
Once again, why do you trust this Muhammad? He was "wrong regarding their idols" and "affected by the evil whispering of Satan".
Then why do you trust him when he claims prophecy?
The prophet said something good about the idols out of ignorance, and Allah sent more teachings down disproving this.
The idea that Allah sent any teachings down is based SOLELY on the testimony of Muhammad that this was so.
If he was ignorant about the proper place of idols and about the unity of G-d, WHY DO YOU TRUST HIS PROPHECY AT ALL?
WHY DO YOU TRUST ANYTHING HE SAYS?
Nothing about revelations being satanic. It wasn't even regarding revelations just whilst he was talking and made a mistake which humans do.
HE MADE A MISTAKE ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THERE SUCH THINGS AS GODDESSES?!?!?!?!?!?!
That is not a small thing. That shows that he is untrustworthy as a Prophet.
Tabari VI:110 "When Muhammad brought a revelation from Allah canceling what Satan had cast on the tongue of His Prophet, the Quraysh said, 'Muhammad has repented of what he said concerning the position of our gods with Allah."
This is just reiterating the hadith that i just wrote about. The revelation that Allah sent to Muhammad, telling him he was wrong and what he said had been cast upon his tongue by Satan (not a revelation) .......had obviously been understood and repented for by Muhammad and when he spread of its word and told the Quraysh that what he said was wrong and they just said that Muhammad had repented to Allah for what he said.
Doesn't it bother you that your "Prophet" said what had been cast upon his tongue by Satan?
That would bother me. If I looked in the Bible and it said that Elijah said something that Satan cast on his tongue, I would have a hard time believing anything in the Bible.
The Quran is meant to be from G-d in the muslims view so, Muhammad has nothing to do with its words that are written but just in the spreading of Islam and receiving of these revelations.
Once again, EVERYTHING in Islam. The Quran and every Islamic teaching is based on his say so. You cannot claim that his character is irrelevant to the message of the Quran. Because he is the sole witness testifying that G-d spoke to him.
His character and trustworthiness is therefore very relevant to whether or not you should beleive him.
I have said something about all the quotes, how about the ones i explained before?
I will get to them as soon as I can. I am typing while holding a four month old baby.
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I don't know how anyone could read the Koran and Hadith and then be convinced of the "truth" of Islam. It contains myths and bad science. A fly does not contain the disease on one wing and cure on the other. The sun does not set in pools of muddy water and there isn't a tribe of Jin living on the moon. It's a bunch of nonsense inspired by an illiterate bedouin culture who told tall tales around camp fires. I can forgive someone for being born into Islam and being brainwashed but for someone to read this drivel and actually convert to Islam is unforgivable and intellectual suicide. I also find the Hadiths and Koran full of rather crude regulations like putting water up your nose and blowing it out and a lot of focus on bodily functions in general and an obsession with torture and murder. The only reason Islam is a major "religion" is it was spread at the point of a sword and once it gains control of a nation they can never escape from its oppressive and smothering grasp for fear of death or torture. The founder Mohammed is one of the nastiest and unpleasant men in recorded history and he managed to break all of the 10 commandments during his wretched life. For muslims to say he is the greatest prophet greater than Moses or Jesus is completely insulting. He was an evil, evil man who would be incarcerated in any western country.
Don't forget that in the early days of the Umayyad empire, converting to islam was very convenient.
Back then, everyone who was a muslims arab got $$ from the state.
Those who converted to islam got less $$ BUT got free money non-the less. A lot of people just converted because in the end, it would be better for them. Plus WHO would want to pay Jizzya!
Also, being a dhimmie is NO treat. Tell that to my Christian Coptic family from Egypt. GEES! It was terrible living there for them, just as it was terrible for other Christians I know who lived in Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Lebanon, Iran and so on.
But yes, there was also spreading by the sword.
I recall the story of the Sikh Khalsa martyrs who 3 of them were killed for refusing to convert to islam. They story is not unique. I know muslims say they didn't spread by the sword, they say "no, Christianity did not Islam" blah blah
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So, I'm going to step out now, but I will come back later.
See ya!
Granted, not to say that Islam would exterminate everyone immediately, but the initial expansion was by war and then later they used apartheid and harassment to convince people of the "truth" of Islam. When the crusaders took the holy land Damascus was still mostly Christian, but if you give it long enough all other religions die on the vine in a Muslim controlled country through the use of bribes and threats.
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The Qur'an says: The Jews say Abraham was a Jew, the Christians say Abraham was a Christian. Say: Nay, he was a submitter, he submitted to G-d.
Not true. The Christians don't claim Abraham was a Christian, they claim he was a Jew just as the Torah says. I guess the Koran must be wrong. How can God's holy yext have such a blatant mistake in it Abdullah? It wouldn't. The Koran is NOT God's holy text. Thanks for giving me further evidence of that.
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A reply to Judeanoncapta,
Glory be to G-d, who knows which scriptures contain error and which do not. I didn't see the Qur'an revealed before my eyes. I bought it in a bookshop. It is by my failure to refute it that I came to believe it was true. It was by my getting sick of fighting against it that I found life was easier to accept it than fight it. It was by calling on G-d for guidance that I saw the parts I couldn't see.
If Mohamed was a true prophet, this text would not contain any error. The fact that you readily admit, some of this text is in error, but have no idea which part or how much of it, while at the same time this is supposed to be Divine revelation - shows a lot about the weakness and arbitrariness in your religious beliefs.
Only G-d will ever guide me. If I'm lost, He made me lost. If I'm in the right, He made me in the right. So, if Moses foretold of Mohammad's mission, why is it a strange thing to you that the mission came to bear? Read Deuteronomy, all of it, on a day of fasting, and prostrate much, and beg G-d for guidance, and tell me if your conscience still has resistance to the scriptures of Mohammad.
Interesting so in your "religion" there is no such thing as free choice. In addition, Moses did NOT foretell of Mohammad's design unless you are referring to: Deuteronomy 13: 2-6
"If there arise among you a prophet or a dreamer of dreams and he gives you a sign or a wonder, and the sign or the wonder of which he spoke to you comes to pass, and he says, "Let us go after other gods which you have not known and let us serve them."
"Do not listen to the words of that prophet or dreamer. God your Lord is testing you to see if you are truly able to love God your Lord with all your heart and all your soul."
Our test is to reject false prophets such as Muhammad - who seeks to divert our worship towards another 'god' whom we do not know, named Allah, the 'moon god.' Indeed, there are many, MANY passages in Torah that assert that there is no annulment of the Revelation in Torah, nothing can be added or subtracted to the Torah, that any further text that contradicts it in any way is a falsehood from a false prophet. This refers, although indirectly, to Muhammad and any other among the slew of false prophets and fake religions that have tried to undermine Torah over the generations. There is no other reference to Muhammad of any other nature than this; that is, to assert the falsehood of him and others like him.
Please, don't reply to me about end times prophecies. They are not my focus, and they are for the people who need MTV or coffee. The essence of our religion, yours and mine, from the Muslim viewpoint, is discussed in chapter 17 of the Quran. This is the chapter which shows how Mohammad was educated in religion by G-d.
It's easy for you to say it's 'not your focus' or that it isn't the 'essence of our religion,' but no reputable Muslim imam or Islamic scholar would agree with you on that opinion. It is just your opinion, it is not consistent with Islam, and therefore you cannot ignore these questions people ask about "end times prophesies" in either the Koran or the Hadith. In normative Islam, these are integral parts of the faith, and not ONE single credible imam would disagree. You cannot just interject your own feelings and emotions and claim it is the 'real' Islam.
The essence of our religion, yours and mine, from the Muslim viewpoint, is discussed in chapter 17 of the Quran. This is the chapter which shows how Mohammad was educated in religion by G-d...
He went on a night journey. G-d showed him things.
But this is not the essence of our religion or our revelation. Your dreamer of dreams went into a cave and saw demons and "archangels" and saw a vision. That is not the nature of our Revelation.
You shall not kill any person - for G-d has made life sacred - except in the course of justice. If one is killed unjustly, then we give his heir authority to enforce justice. Thus, he shall not exceed the limits in avenging the murder; he will be helped.
What you fail to realize about this passage is that it justifies just about any extent of murder according to the person's own definition of what "justice" consists of, and what avenging to enforce justice means to that individual "heir" with the authority to murder based on his definition of these premises. "he will be helped" gives him the blank check to do as he pleases since afterall it is 'helped' ie it is carrying out Divine justice. This passage reflects a system that encourages indiscriminate justice, endless revenge killings, carried out according to each individual's will, and lo and behold, the behavior of Muslims from the founding of the religion to present day, reflect the practical realities of this problematic passage.
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Praise be to G-d, there is a remedy. The muslim position on a stubborn Jew or a blind Jew is not simply blast 'em out of their homes. Actually the Qur'an says you don't need to - the Jew, if he doesn't have much faith, will simply go away anyway so you don't have to.
Hmm, well the people here haven't gone away, keep coming back, and keep debating you further (and refuting you mightily). Then again, we aren't the Jews who "doesn't have much faith" so maybe this passage doesn't apply to us. Yes, it would make logical sense that the Jew without any faith or spirituality (ie a non practicing atheist) would not sit around with a missionary debating the merits of Torah or his own faith over the missionary's since he has no faith to begin with. He would just want to be left alone by the annoying Mohamed-lover.
However, for the debating Jew who can't see the points made by a believer who is inviting him to G-d, the remedy is not more debate. The remedy I see in the Qur'an is to say: Shaddap! You and your debate! Go and feed the hungry!
Ahh, yes, but the Jew who is familiar with Torah would debate the missionary and tell them exactly how he feels about the missionary's false prophet and false religion. But the Bukara/Ko-ran says for the people who ARE willing to debate and seek the truth, the 'remedy' is to "shaddap" and go donate food or money to the poor (which Jews do already part of our own religion, just to let you know). That is a bona fide cop-out.
If a person isn't willing to debate and just runs away because he doesn't care for your missionary work or your fake religion, then he is a Jew that is "stubborn" or "blind" or "without faith" so he will go away. But for people willing to debate, avoid debating him and tell him to go do something else. Could it be because he will prove you wrong if he is willing to debate? What is there to fear of debate if you are so full of truth, oh abdullah.
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Glory be to G-d
Peace be with you, for the sake of G-d. With peace we remain in discussion. We are so lucky, compared to those who now live in the lands described in The Tanach, and who now fight over them.
If they were trying to discuss these things, perhaps someone would be dead already. I don't know. I shouldn't mention it, but it is a reality, and we each are still alive, and have time to ask G-d for more mercy for ourselves or our loved ones. Thanks be to G-d.
A reply to Mills.
The scripture I read never commands a submitter to hate every Jew. The scripture commands the submitter to talk to the Jew with the revelations guiding the discussion. This is what I'm commanded in my relations to you.
If a Jew has strayed so far from the Torah that he is no longer recognisable as a follower of G-d's religion, I would begin to be upset with him, but then I would just not live near him, and not spend my money in his shop.
I would not eat with him except for the sake of this propagation or for the sake of glorifying G-d's name together. I would not revile him or be jealous. I would busy myself with something useful, G-d willing.
Where the book mentions the errors of the Jews, this is a kindness from G-d, as G-d is the one that can bring up the topic and then forgive the repenting person.
As I'm not G-d, I bring up the topics in the wrong moments, and sometimes, I add my own guesses. The guess that some of the Children of Israel must have thought Moses was G-d or an incarnation of G-d is my own work.
I think it's a fair guess. If I'm wrong, it's my error and I bear it. The scripture mentions that Christians have deified Jesus, to different degrees, and I can't argue with that. I've met a number of elders and priests who have literally exclaimed to me with wide eyes and open arms "But Jesus is G-d!".
Not all of them think this. Some of them see that Jesus was a teacher, teaching the Jews and reminding them, but these people are generally not found near churches in my experience.
Perhaps in another era there might have been Christians who did not give Jesus a share in divinity. Apparently in Egypt there have been many. The Mount of Sinai is more likely to be a place to find correct accounts of Jesus' teachings, because the Mount of Sinai is used in the Qur'an as something sworn by:
By the fig and the olive. By Mount Sinai. And this honored town. We created man in the best design. Then turned him into the lowliest of the lowly. Except those who believe and lead a righteous life; they receive a reward that is well deserved. Why do you still reject the faith? Is G-d not the most wise, of all the wise ones?
So, please forgive me if I've offended you. I don't know all your actions, and I didn't enter this forum to annoy you or insult you. The criticisms of the scripture against people of the book obviously only apply to those who are guilty of such transgressions.
In every religion there are people obeying and people not obeying. That is across all religions if I'm not mistaken. The Qur'an mentions: Surely, those who believe, those who are Jewish, the Christians, and the converts; anyone who believes in G-d, and believes in the last day, and leads a righteous life, will receive their recompense from their Lord. They have nothing to fear, nor will they grieve.
Peace be with you and thank you for your time.
Please don't fund the killing. Please show patience and ask the Israelis to let the electricity be on. Shouldn't they let the electricity be switched on in the hospitals? I hope my information is not incorrect from the media.
Wait a second. Doesn't it say in the Koran that when one first disagrees with you, you need to discuss and discuss until they agree with you, but if they don't, then you are justified in Jihad? Abdullah, anyone with half a brain, will never accept the Koran and Islam...So spare yourself from you "peace" and declare Jihad already...We hate your prophet, piss be upon him...and your Koran is a plagarized version of our Torah...Islam makes people stupid!
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As I'm not G-d, I bring up the topics in the wrong moments, and sometimes, I add my own guesses. The guess that some of the Children of Israel must have thought Moses was G-d or an incarnation of G-d is my own work.
I think it's a fair guess. If I'm wrong, it's my error and I bear it.
It's not a fair guess. It's completely off base and wrong. In addition, it is not only your error, it is also Muhammad's error at least regarding the Ezra comment. Ironically it is one of the "proofs" of his religion, that Jews did this, yet it never happened in history. He claims that we thought Ezra was son of G-d. No Jewish community, no sect, no group, has ever thought this. We have a vast history, we chronicle all of it, even of heretical beliefs and outgrown sects that came and went that we have record of and disdain. Yet this is not one of them, not even from a small pocket of Jewish heretics, let alone normative Jewish belief (G-d forbid) like Muhammad (may he be punched in the nuts) claims. Here is the quote straight from the horse Muhammad's mouth: "And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah, and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah. That is their saying with their mouths. They imitate the saying of those who disbelieved of old. Allah (Himself) fighteth against them. How perverse are they!" Sura 9:30.
Ko-ran wrong yet again. This incorrect assertion is repeated in 19:88, referred to in 21:26, 17:56 and others. Were these verses all the "in error" verses that were really inspired by Satan? And what now, now that you have the proof that they are incorrect? Is there a "Satan inspired Koranic Verses" dustbin somewhere for editing out parts of Koran found to be false? Of course not. And that is utterly dishonest.
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The Qur'an says: The Jews say Abraham was a Jew, the Christians say Abraham was a Christian. Say: Nay, he was a submitter, he submitted to G-d.
Not true. The Christians don't claim Abraham was a Christian, they claim he was a Jew just as the Torah says. I guess the Koran must be wrong. How can G-d's holy yext have such a blatant mistake in it Abdullah? It wouldn't. The Koran is NOT G-d's holy text. Thanks for giving me further evidence of that.
We never say he was Christian, we point to him as one who was justified by faith and is a role model for us as Genesis 15 says:
G-d's Covenant With Abram
1 After this, the word of the LORD came to Abram in a vision:
"Do not be afraid, Abram.
I am your shield, [a]
your very great reward. "
2 But Abram said, "O Sovereign LORD, what can you give me since I remain childless and the one who will inherit [c] my estate is Eliezer of Damascus?" 3 And Abram said, "You have given me no children; so a servant in my household will be my heir."
4 Then the word of the LORD came to him: "This man will not be your heir, but a son coming from your own body will be your heir." 5 He took him outside and said, "Look up at the heavens and count the stars—if indeed you can count them." Then he said to him, "So shall your offspring be."
6 Abram believed the LORD, and he credited it to him as righteousness.
7 He also said to him, "I am the LORD, who brought you out of Ur of the Chaldeans to give you this land to take possession of it."
8 But Abram said, "O Sovereign LORD, how can I know that I will gain possession of it?"
9 So the LORD said to him, "Bring me a heifer, a goat and a ram, each three years old, along with a dove and a young pigeon."
10 Abram brought all these to him, cut them in two and arranged the halves opposite each other; the birds, however, he did not cut in half. 11 Then birds of prey came down on the carcasses, but Abram drove them away.
12 As the sun was setting, Abram fell into a deep sleep, and a thick and dreadful darkness came over him. 13 Then the LORD said to him, "Know for certain that your descendants will be strangers in a country not their own, and they will be enslaved and mistreated four hundred years. 14 But I will punish the nation they serve as slaves, and afterward they will come out with great possessions. 15 You, however, will go to your fathers in peace and be buried at a good old age. 16 In the fourth generation your descendants will come back here, for the sin of the Amorites has not yet reached its full measure."
17 When the sun had set and darkness had fallen, a smoking firepot with a blazing torch appeared and passed between the pieces. 18 On that day the LORD made a covenant with Abram and said, "To your descendants I give this land, from the river [d] of Egypt to the great river, the Euphrates- 19 the land of the Kenites, Kenizzites, Kadmonites, 20 Hittites, Perizzites, Rephaites, 21 Amorites, Canaanites, Girgashites and Jebusites."
This passage also points out he was from ur of the Chaldees, so if anything he and Sarai were Chaldean to begin with, but in faith he was circumcised and his whole family and then his grandson Jacob was renamed Israel and fathered the 12 sons who became the 12 tribes of Israel.
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(didnt real all of the above posts), but Abdulla let me ask you.
You refer to Mohammed as being "the prophet Mohammed" -
The definition of a Prophet is one who can tell a clear prophecy indicating something that will happen in the future, usually with all the odds going agains't it.
I would like to know, if their is anywhere in the Koran where Mohammed gives a prophecy, because as far as I know their wasn't even one prophecy by the muslims, while by the christians their was one- "that the Jews wont return to the Holy Land" - which proved itself wrong. And by the Jewish Torah their are hundreds, allmost all of which allready happened + we are waiting for a few more which will happen in the near future (and some are actually happening now in our day and age).
So once again my question to you is- How can you call Mohammad a prophet, if he had no prophecy?
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I will wait for an answer.
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I will wait for an answer.
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I will wait for an answer.
Keep waiting. The only thing that muhammad predicted was that the world would end in 500 years which obviously did not come true in 1100 CE.
So Muhammad was just a charlatan who said whatever people wanted to hear to get them to join his religioun.
"You're a Jew?!?!?! Hey, We pray to Jerusalem. Oops not enough Jews are falling for this, let's go back to praying to Mecca so that the Pagan Arabs who worshipped a rock idol named allah who lived in a black rock in Mecca would join."
"You're a Christian?!?!?! Hey, we beleive Jesus was a great Muslim prophet."
"You're a Zoroastrian, think of Allah as the Black God."
"You're a pagan Arab?!?!?!?! Good, continue worshipping Allah just stop worshipping his daughters or not depending on my mood."
Muhammad acted exactly like an Arab selling something in a Suq.
"For you?!?!?!?! SPECIAL PRICE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
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I will wait for an answer.
Keep waiting. The only thing that muhammad predicted was that the world would end in 500 years which obviously did not come true in 1100 CE.
So Muhammad was just a charlatan who said whatever people wanted to hear to get them to join his religioun.
"You're a Jew?!?!?! Hey, We pray to Jerusalem. Oops not enough Jews are falling for this, let's go back to praying to Mecca so that the Pagan Arabs who worshipped a rock idol named allah who lived in a black rock in Mecca would join."
"You're a Christian?!?!?! Hey, we beleive Jesus was a great Muslim prophet."
"You're a Zoroastrian, think of Allah as the Black G-d."
"You're a pagan Arab?!?!?!?! Good, continue worshipping Allah just stop worshipping his daughters or not depending on my mood."
Muhammad acted exactly like an Arab selling something in a Suq.
"For you?!?!?!?! SPECIAL PRICE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
In this is a lot of truth. The lesser your knowledge in our scriptures, the easier is it for Muslimes to do so called "dawa" with you, because of the points you mentioned.
For every educated Christian or Jew is Islam totally unexceptable. O0
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This is not a Recruitment Center for Islam. I suggest you either stop it now or let the banning begin!
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Your last post was removed. For protection of our visitors and members.
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Typical of an 'am haaretz,' the guy flees the second the going gets tough. If you can't handle the heat Abdullah, get out of Muhammad's satanic kitchen. He avoided answering all criticisms and questions and resorted to a blanket statement of "well... well.... welll... no matter what you say, I believe so and so was the prophet and this is the text".... Right. In other words you have no defense, you've been backed into a corner, and you flee in terror that perhaps you made a mistake in diving into Islam, delusionally thinking that maybe in time you will look further into the religion and be able to answer those questions, if you close your eyes really tight the problems will go away. You won't and they won't. It's better to 'lift the veil' and come to grips that you made this honest mistake (really, it's no big deal, you can drop Islam and become normal again, no one will hold it against you) rather than run in fear and avoid addressing all these inherent problems with the weak Islamic fake, I mean faith.
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Mills,
peace be with you.
It seems you wish to inform God not only about his religion, but also about his prophets, while He is the knower of the secrets of the heavens and the earth.
Gloy be to God, he has no need of any of us, not one. We need him, He doesn't need us. If all of mankind went into the fire, it would be no problem for God.
He is rich, free of all wants. Are you still going to teach God something? Glory be to God, if He shows you mercy. Those who dispute the revelations of their lord in front of him are the those He will not even speak to on the day of judgement.
None is too proud to bow down to Him, save those upon whose hearts he has set a seal. I hate to say it, but you're fitting the description, Mills.
Yet, He knows your heart better than me, and He can forgive you better than me. One of the errors of the Jews, says the Qur'an, is that they fear people more than they fear God.
If you claim this is not your case, which I expect you will claim, then you could show some piety and clean up the foul mouths in this channel, and reduce some of the sick arrogance of the pictures and nicknames. Glory be to God, He loves not the arrogant.
Wouldn't you long to be humble? I would. Glory be to my Lord. If I have learned anything, it is from God - if I've made any error it is from me.
Should the sky fall upon you, or the earth split beneath you, who will save you but God? If you are resurrected and the mountains are flying in the sky, the seas boiling over, the sky like red oil, how will you be helped if not by God almighty?
Who has the power to help you? And if you ask for his help, and he rejects, where will you go? If I ask for his help and he rejects, where will I go? If my father, my mother, you father, or your mother, is rejected by God, where will they go?
To hell. To burn like a log in a fire, again and again and again.
Yet if God accepts you and forgives you, or me, or one of our relatives, and that person recieves his mercy, then wouldn't that be nice! Endless meadows with sweet smelling flowers, shade, nice food, delicious lamb, sweets, and a wine that doesn't get you drunk but is delicious - freedom, a place where there are no lies and no theft, no insults, no war, and where the greatest thing of all is to the face of your Lord, you creator, and feel the security of His closeness and protection.
Glory be to the God of Abraham.
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You sound exactly like a member of Jehovas Wittnesses and you have forgotten the Huris in the paradies, who will become virgin again everytime after you will sleep with them. How much virgins will the moon-idol el-illah give the truely believer?
If I remember it rightly, all this joys in paradies are all related to man. What is the award for the woman? Lesbian sex with Huries?
If you are able to understand some latin - read my signature ;)
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I will wait for an answer.
Dear Tzvi,
since you will wait for a long while
to have your answer to your simple question,
I brought you some lecture and some tea,
so that you won't find the "waiting" boring...
(http://info-tabac.noname.fr/images/livres-tabac.jpg)
(http://teatips.ru/eng/img/articles/309/samovar.jpg)
O0
Make sure it's kosher.
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Whenever I bring out these quotes, Muslims always run away.
I have done this many times on youtube and on forums and I have NEVER gotten a single answer on these quotes by ANY Muslim.
They run away like frightened children when their Satanic "Prophet" is exposed.
They're awesome, do you have a source of them?
Go on prophetofdoom.net and click on the Islamic quotes tab.
Thanks JNC geat site I b-marked it. O0
Just as a warning. Craig Winn is a very interesting religious thinker and he puts quite a bit of his religious ideas that are blasphemous to both Judaism and Normative Christianity.
I don't know if you are Jewish or Christian but either way you may be offended by his forceful religious opinions, but his exposure of Islam is astounding.
He literally quotes 90% of the Quran, you can't claim that it is being taken out of context when 90% of it has been quoted in the book.
I do use the sourcess from atheists, freethinkers and religion bashers if they're right on iSSlam... I don't belive in fair play when dealing with moslimes. That's why I back the JTF: Jews in Israel were trying to always be good guys and look where it get them... I stutied koran and hadiths from different sourcess and you cannot defend those books after reading them... Even "Mine Kampf" and "Comunist Manifesto" are less Satanic.
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I will wait for an answer.
Dear Tzvi,
since you will wait for a long while
to have your answer to your simple question,
I brought you some lecture and some tea,
so that you won't find the "waiting" boring...
(http://info-tabac.noname.fr/images/livres-tabac.jpg)
(http://teatips.ru/eng/img/articles/309/samovar.jpg)
O0
Make sure it's kosher.
Haw can you make un Kosher tea? :D
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Okay if your Allah is so powerful and your so called prophet is so great. Have them stop me from banning your behind. See ya!!!
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Mills I tried to dicuss rationaly with musslims on other fora about iSSlam or Israel many times and it's never works; it's either excuses, lies or threats and in the end they always run. Use the links the JNC or I gave you but don't waste more than one hour on them I gave up and got ill after reading 1Oth hadith and half of Quran... They're far more better thing you can do with your time.
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I will wait for an answer.
Dear Tzvi,
since you will wait for a long while
to have your answer to your simple question,
I brought you some lecture and some tea,
so that you won't find the "waiting" boring...
(http://info-tabac.noname.fr/images/livres-tabac.jpg)
(http://teatips.ru/eng/img/articles/309/samovar.jpg)
O0
Make sure it's kosher.
Haw can you make un Kosher tea? :D
NOt exactly sure...but i'm sure Muslims pee in it...so..that renders it unkosher and undrinkable....except for fellow muslims
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p.s: abdullahsydney did a TERRIBLE job at trying to convert us!
What with dodging all our questions, ignoring our statements. Like a brainwashed fool, he ignored them and just kept posting "blah blah...allah, blah blah slaves"
ANYONE who is convinced by him MUST be an idiot. He gave NO answers, he just acted like a "martyr" with his fake "i wuv you in an arrogant way because I'm superior to you" attitude
He also tried to twist our words.I would have loved debating this BUT you can't debate with someone who IGNORES someone's questions and just twists them! This is WHY I never get my questions about islam answered! Its the dodging of questions that I get. Its like if mooslims expect to tell us all these thingsmthen ignore our honest questions and then telling us how we suck because we don't believe. And we're supposed to be convinced by these people?
I had it! I am going to search out the answers, I will study this "islam" and THEN maybe have an actual debate with a mooslims who hopefully is not distorted like abdullahsydney.
I also think churches and synagogues should start having islam awareness classes to protect ourselves from that religion. We do NOT worship the same G-d, its time our people accept that.
Oddly enough, i haven't even read any of his crap..just the first few lines and all the rest was disturbing so i looked away Interestingly enough, I do the same with Haaretz articles.
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Mills,
peace be with you.
It seems you wish to inform G-d not only about his religion, but also about his prophets, while He is the knower of the secrets of the heavens and the earth.
Gloy be to G-d, he has no need of any of us, not one. We need him, He doesn't need us. If all of mankind went into the fire, it would be no problem for G-d.
He is rich, free of all wants. Are you still going to teach G-d something? Glory be to G-d, if He shows you mercy. Those who dispute the revelations of their lord in front of him are the those He will not even speak to on the day of judgement.
None is too proud to bow down to Him, save those upon whose hearts he has set a seal. I hate to say it, but you're fitting the description, Mills.
Yet, He knows your heart better than me, and He can forgive you better than me. One of the errors of the Jews, says the Qur'an, is that they fear people more than they fear G-d.
If you claim this is not your case, which I expect you will claim, then you could show some piety and clean up the foul mouths in this channel, and reduce some of the sick arrogance of the pictures and nicknames. Glory be to G-d, He loves not the arrogant.
Wouldn't you long to be humble? I would. Glory be to my Lord. If I have learned anything, it is from G-d - if I've made any error it is from me.
Should the sky fall upon you, or the earth split beneath you, who will save you but G-d? If you are resurrected and the mountains are flying in the sky, the seas boiling over, the sky like red oil, how will you be helped if not by G-d almighty?
Who has the power to help you? And if you ask for his help, and he rejects, where will you go? If I ask for his help and he rejects, where will I go? If my father, my mother, you father, or your mother, is rejected by G-d, where will they go?
To hell. To burn like a log in a fire, again and again and again.
Yet if G-d accepts you and forgives you, or me, or one of our relatives, and that person recieves his mercy, then wouldn't that be nice! Endless meadows with sweet smelling flowers, shade, nice food, delicious lamb, sweets, and a wine that doesn't get you drunk but is delicious - freedom, a place where there are no lies and no theft, no insults, no war, and where the greatest thing of all is to the face of your Lord, you creator, and feel the security of His closeness and protection.
Glory be to the G-d of Abraham.
You dont have the answer to my question, not about G-d, but about mohammed the "prophet". Thank you, you proved my point.
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Sorry Ladies and Gentlemen. This poster has been kicked back to his Paradise.
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Mills I tried to dicuss rationaly with musslims on other fora about iSSlam or Israel many times and it's never works; it's either excuses, lies or threats and in the end they always run. Use the links the JNC or I gave you but don't waste more than one hour on them I gave up and got ill after reading 1Oth hadith and half of Quran... They're far more better thing you can do with your time.
You're right.
I want to read the qu'ran, and I want to know what it says for myself. Chaim said it would be good to read it so we can understand what we're dealing with.
I was actually also thinking of taking a class about it. I'm a college student and we get offered those religion classes.
I see other people on the forum who say "oh I read the qu'an several times" etc..but not me. I want to be able to have the knowledge to know what I'm talking about.
So I shall take a class and get the answers that people fail to give, yes even if its a waste of time, but at least then I'll be better educated on the manner or at least say that I did "educate" myself on the matter. (p.s: Is it just me or is it mostly mooslims who say "you should educate yourself" LOL )
If its a muslim person running the lessons, then it would probably be better to read the Quran yourself.
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A sisters Halaqah is a religious circle for muslim women, in which a certain topic is discussed and everybody tries to help each other learn Quran. Sometimes a short talk is given by somebody but its always even literally in a circle.
If you go to a muslim class, you'll either learn advanced things and terms that will mean absolutely nothing to you unless you're actually going to practice it. Other lessons will go to the opposite extreme and teach you the basics, which you probably already know e.g. 5 pillars of Islam. Other classes focus on key concepts like the Oneness of God etc
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Its ok. Why did she say you had rocks in your head anyway?! ??? ;D
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Its ok. Why did she say you had rocks in your head anyway?! ??? ;D
Sarah, you never responded to my rebuttal.
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Its ok. Why did she say you had rocks in your head anyway?! ??? ;D
Sarah, you never responded to my rebuttal.
I don't feel it anymore.
Anyhow i would say that Muhammad was human, humans make mistakes and Muhammed did so.
In Islam sins are provoked by satan and you are accountable for following satans whispering. Muhammad like any other person, followed this and didn't not realise his mistake or its problems until the message was sent.
Though I don't know if I believe in that.