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once again... let me reiterate... i only write for the general discussion board... please put it back up there... and leave it there...
here is what some of you asked me for a little while back... proof that the vatican did the holocaust... for how can they threaten one today if they cannot deliver on it...? and if they can deliver on one now... then they must have always had this power... and must have exercised it many, many times over in history... which indeed they have done... to wit check out francisco gil-white... see link below... but first read barry's research... and when you combine the two of these offerings together... you get... CHECKMATE!!! game... set... and match... i gotcha you nazi-slime... "the truth will out..." nik. out...
The Barry Chamish Website
The Vatican Threatens Olmert with Holocaust
by Barry Chamish
December 26, 2006
How could such a palpable hint of mass murder be so ignored? Please read the following:
http://www.thebulletin.us/site/news.cfm? newsid=17596728&BRD=2737&PAG=461&dept_id=585832&rfi=6
1. Italian Guards Leave Posts At Jewish, Israeli Institutions In Rome
"Italian police guards have been withdrawn, without warning, from Israeli and Jewish institutions in Rome.
About 10 days ago, without warning or explanation, the police cars that had been permanently stationed for over 10 years outside the El Al office in Rome, at Jewish community offices, the Jewish school and the synagogues throughout the city, suddenly disappeared - at all times on the eve of Prime Minister Ehud Olmert's visit to the city, a visit that ended Wednesday night.
The surprising step aroused apprehension among Jews in Rome, who have not forgotten the terrorist attack at the synagogue in 1982, when a 2-year-old boy, Stefano Tasha, was killed and 40 people were injured. Since then, the leaders and institutions of the Jewish community have had total protection - until this week. The city's Jews, who prayed last Saturday at 10 synagogues without security guards, fear that history will repeat itself and the next terrorist attack is drawing near.
The Jewish school is also a priority target for terrorism. At least that is how it was described in the Italian media only about two months ago, and after angry protests from the Jewish community, it was agreed that the guards would be restored - temporarily. The police headquarters stated that it was intended that the police guards would be returned - perhaps even Thursday morning - to all the places which they had been guarding, but parents told Ma'ariv that they were 'angry and concerned' about the new security instructions.
A police car was first stationed outside the El Al office in Rome after the terrorist attack at Fiumicino Airport in 1985, when 16 people were killed and 70 wounded. For the most part, the police car prevented suspicious vehicles from parking there, and the police were instructed to keep a close watch. Now, however, there is no police car there, and it is feared that the El Al office, which is a palpable Israeli symbol, would be an easy target.
At present, the Israeli embassy in Rome does not intend to approach the Italian Foreign Ministry and turn the issue into a diplomatic confrontation between the two countries, especially in light of the cordial atmosphere Wednesday at the joint news conference of the two prime ministers. On the other hand, the security officer at El Al is expected to have a meeting with his Italian counterparts in an attempt to reach an agreement.
Asked for a reaction, the Israeli embassy in Rome said it does not discuss security matters with the media. The Italian police also refused to comment on why, in the wake of re-evaluations of the security situation by the Italian security establishment, a decision had been made to withdraw the security guards from a list of diplomatic missions, airline offices and other institutions that had been protected for decades."
2. In my previous article now at www.thebarrychamishwebsite.com I summarized that Olmert was ordered by the Pope to appear in the Vatican. There he was to agree to give the Vatican sovereignty over parts of Mount Zion and to accept "the Spanish initiative," replacing the Israeli army in Gaza with soldiers from Catholic Europe.
Hoping not to repeat the fiasco of Pres. Katzav's refusal the year before, this year the Vatican promised Olmert a Holocaust. With no police guarding Jewish institutions, it was just a matter of informing the Muslims to get the Jewish blood aflowing.
The Bulletin reporter, the reliable David Bedein, completely missed the significance of his scoop. We finally see the power of the Vatican. Life in Rome's little Jewish community would disappear into the blood within a day. The true slaughter would be in France where 7 million angry Muslims would swoop down on the 700,000 Jews without fear of the police.
Have we forgotten Protestant Britain? Of course, Britain could repeat its long forgotten Eretz Yisrael policy of keeping the police away from a massacre of Jews. There may be some outrage, a few delays, but the Jews will lose their security when the police appear halfheartedly, if at all.
The mood is 1938. There are more than enough rabid anti-semites to burst the slaughter into reality.
So how does the Israeli reporter react to this threat to the last Jews of Europe? According to the Israeli Embassy, the prime ministers of Italy and Israel got along so well, why disturb the fun and ask who ordered the police removed.
Now does the reporter ask how Olmert reacted to the Vatican threat? No such luck. Well, in fact, Olmert returned to Israel and during a Kassam storm, had a meeting with, we think, leader of the opposition Mahmud Abbas, and gave him $100 million and a promise to release lots of prisoners whether we get our ONE returned or not.
But, best of all, he upped the war on Judaism by closing religious schools:
3. Religious-Zionist Schools on Strike www.israelnationalnews.com
"A total of some 100,000 students are on strike, Glatt told Arutz-7's Hebrew newsmagazine. "We have traditionally tried not to take the students away from their Torah and other studies," Glatt said, "but there is simply no other choice. The budget for 2007 is about to be voted on this coming Thursday, and the astronomical sum of 130 million shekels is being cut. We simply will not be able to open the school year if this is the case."
At stake are more than 250 educational institutions, Glatt said, asking, "Could it be that there is someone who wants to specifically harm the religious-Zionist education?"
MK Orlev, participating at the sit-in today, said, "The government is holding the budget and our children as political hostages just because we're in the opposition. The parents already pay astronomical sums, and cannot pay more."
"This political persecution is liable to destroy our schools," Orlev said, "even though our graduates are the backbone of Israeli society. The government had better wake up before it cuts off the branch on which the State sits."
Their principals are not resting, however. They are holding a protest sit-in outside the Prime Minister's Office in Jerusalem, warning that some of their schools will be forced to close if the funding is not at least partially restored."
Can you imagine all these principals sitting outside the prime minister's office and not a one understanding that Olmert has already promised the real world leaders, meeting in the Vatican, that he would drown the pesky religious community once and for all? Without funds to run their own schools, the children will enter public schools and fuel a religious/secular gang war.
All to divide the Jews before the end!
My readers know I've proven Israel's leaders are run by our worst enemies. The Vatican's highest ranking agent in Israel is Shimon Peres. The details of how he and Olmert rid themselves of Sharon is found in my new book, Bye Bye Gaza (details below). Olmert supposedly became number one in Israel, and Peres, two after the last election. Once the results were tallied, Peres flew to the Vatican for instructions. He would drop out of the scene and let Olmert do the public dirty work.
We can only surmise that Olmert felt guilty about destroying Israel or there would have been no need for the police show in Rome. Whatever the display taught Olmert, it should have taught the Jews of Israel to think coup as the only way to save themselves from utter and horrid destruction.
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and here begins the link to francisco...
(and lest any of you say that this is just about the roman empire and not the catholic church... just remember... the vatican assumed the power of the empire when it collapsed and expired during the 5th century... do you recall "the holy roman empire..." which took its place...? well this is exactly my point... whatever policies rome had and greece before them... the church now took over as they were them just in a different era and in another incarnation and thus viter down throughout all the world-dominating nations ever since... rome just moved it's central address of power but it never, ever once relinquished its hold on the control of policy-making... i.e. war and genocide plannings and operations)...
and now away we go...
www.hirhome.com
The Crux of WORLD HISTORY
by Francisco Gil-White© 2005
http://www.hirhome.com/israel/cruxcontents.htm
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Volume 1.
The Book of Genesis
The Birth of the Jewish People
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NOTE: If you would like to consult the bibliography, please scroll down to the bottom of this page.
Table of Contents
< Preface <
http://www.hirhome.com/israel/cruxintro.pdf
Part 1
Before Ezra (B.E.)
Chapter 1
The Roman ‘Final Solution’ in the first and second
centuries; why it happened, and why
you never heard about it.
http://www.hirhome.com/israel/crux01.pdf
< Interlude <
Why do historians write like this?
http://www.hirhome.com/israel/crux01a.pdf
Chapter 2
Enter the villain: Alexander.
http://www.hirhome.com/israel/crux02.pdf
< Interlude <
The First Law of Class Warfare.
http://www.hirhome.com/israel/crux02a.pdf
Chapter 3
The ancient Greeks: The reality,
and the apology.
http://www.hirhome.com/israel/crux03.pdf
< Interlude <
Were the ancient Greeks fascists?
http://www.hirhome.com/israel/crux03a.pdf
Chapter 4
The ancient Achaemenid Persians, and their
philosophy of World Government.
http://www.hirhome.com/israel/crux04.pdf
< Interlude <
Where did the Persians come from?
http://www.hirhome.com/israel/crux04a.pdf
Chapter 5
What Herodotus really said about
the Greco-Persian wars.
http://www.hirhome.com/israel/crux05.pdf
< Meta-Interlude <
What is Judaism?
http://www.hirhome.com/israel/crux05a.pdf
Part 2
After Ezra (A.E.)
Chapter 6
Ezra, Nehemiah, Artaxerxes,
and the birth of Judaism.
http://www.hirhome.com/israel/crux06.pdf
< Interlude <
Warfare, and the reproduction of class
in the Roman system.
http://www.hirhome.com/israel/crux06a.pdf
Chapter 7
How the Greek-Jewish conflict became
a Roman-Jewish conflict.
http://www.hirhome.com/israel/crux07.pdf
< Interlude <
Who were Cicero and Catiline?
THIS CHAPTER will be posted soon. If you would like to be notified
when it goes up, please let us now by sending us an email.
(If you have already been notified once, there is no need to
ask us again, you are on the list.)
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Chapter 8
Julius Caesar, and the banning of
the synagogues in Rome.
< Interlude <
What was Augustus Caesar like?
Chapter 9
Augustus Caesar's policy of
anti-Jewish genocide.
Bibliography
http://www.hirhome.com/israel/cruxbiblio.pdf
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This book will soon be out in a hardcover version, but we are facing an historic emergency, so I am making it immediately available on the web.
History, as the saying goes, is the propaganda of the victors. The Jews have not been the victors. Therefore, the portrayal of history has been terribly unfair to the Jews. This is why people still do not understand why there has been massacre upon antisemitic massacre in the Western world for over two millennia, making this one of the more stable cultural traditions of our ‘civilization.’
I am predicting that soon -- very soon -- there will be another antisemitic genocide. It will take place in the State of Israel, and it will be directly carried out by the antisemitic forces of the Muslim world. The Western world will look the other way. Later, it will build Holocaust museums and people will put on grave looking faces and shake their heads. Or perhaps they will celebrate. It all depends on which direction culture takes in the coming years. But though time may be running short, this genocide can still be prevented. In order to do so, good people in the West must understand what is at stake. They certainly don't understand it now. They have no clue why there is hatred of Jews, and they are utterly confused about their own antisemitic prejudices.
Why is there antisemitism?
The Crux of World History answers this question. I show that there has been and still is so much antisemitism in the West because Judaism is the original mass movement of the political left. It is the original movement of progressive politics, preaching freedom, justice, equality, ethics, and compassion. This is precisely why the Western ruling classes have always persecuted the Jews and taught ordinary gentiles to hate them, lest ordinary people learn from the Jews that they have a right to live in freedom and equality. Once this is understood, the history of the West, with its endless sequence of anti-Jewish massacres, will, for the first time, make sense. Only if good people quickly come to understand this can the next genocide -- already upon us -- be prevented.
This is the great struggle of our time. We need a burst of Enlightenment or the Jews will be massacred once again, and the consequences -- the terrible consequences -- will not be felt only by the Jews. As in World War II, ordinary people everywhere will be the victims, because an attack on the Jewish movement is an attack on ordinary people.
It is always the worst among us who attack the Jews. The good people of this Earth will once again abandon their own selves to the worst among us if they do not defend the Jewish people. This is what is at stake. This is what has always been at stake.
It is The Crux of World History.
I invite you to read it.
Francisco Gil-White
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the following is the article he referred to as discussing the vatican threat of a holocaust against european jewry made by the slime over their demands for control of har habayit... nik.
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Bye Bye Gaza
by Barry Chamish
December 13, 2006
Welcome to my dream. It all seems real.
In Barry Chamish's nether world, he gave a speech in Jerusalem last winter. It became the source of powerful articles and a dramatic CD-ROM. He insisted that the Israeli government, led by Shimon Peres and Yossi Beilin, had already promised East Jerusalem to the Vatican. He named the Vatican and the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) as Israel's prime enemies. He predicted that both parties wanted parts of Jerusalem in Vatican hands within a year to destroy the lives of the Jews of Gaza. This author watched how the naifs of Yesha were led from one trap to another by their local council. He raced to Kfar Maimon and Ofakim.
In the days leading to the disposal of the Jews, he spoke to significant audiences in Neve Dekalim and Eli Sinai. But his message of resistance was too real for Gush Katif.
I have a new book called, Bye Bye Gaza. In ten chapters, it recounts the battle for Gaza and the subsequent government torture of the refugees. Each chapter begins with a striking photo of the living Gush Katif as photographed by Gemma Blech. You can purchase the book in color, or the much less dear, black and white.
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Welcome back to my world. Is all my craziness coming true?
Such a good boy. And with such a keen understanding of Catholic liturgy. Of course we'll make the CFR's executive Henry Kissinger a papal adviser. And Henry's barely in his new leather adviser's chair when Ehud Olmert "decides" to take a trip to meet...da pope. And such threats you never heard if Israel doesn't surrender a nice chunk of Jerusalem and put Catholic troops outside Gaza instead of the IDF.
So while Israel is one step away from a final, mortal blow, Olmert loses his cool and thoughtfully reminds the world that we have nukes. So where are the Jews of the world as Israel teeters on a nuclear holocaust? Why the biggest crooks, like the viciously pro-Gaza removal squad of Stephen Cohen and Daniel Abraham, are funding expensive charities to fuel the death march. Look at the CFR names on the board of "Jews for justice;": Holbrooke, Tisch, Zuckerman and lots more inside.
Every organization and personality representing the Gaza settlers was a defeated snitch. The one hope for a Gaza battle was in a hotel complex where 2,000 protesters resided. That last hope was crushed when a gang from Kach gave the government what it sought; a phoney fight between Jews and Arabs over Gush Katifnspiracy against the Jews. The author is not settled enough to print the book -- YOU GOTTA GO TO LULU.COM
BYE BYE GAZA, DON'T CRY!
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Could you please send this article out far and wide. I need a lot of Help Here.
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*_Kissinger to Serve As Papal Adviser?_*
*Pope Benedict XVI has invited Henry Kissinger, former adviser to Richard Nixon, to be a political consultant and he accepted.
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http://www.israelnationalnews.com/news.php3?id=117098
*Israel Agrees to Reopen Mt. Zion Talks with Vatican
Sunday, December 10, 2006 / 19 Kislev 5767
* PM Olmert will meet in the Vatican this week with Pope Benedict - two weeks after Israeli diplomats confirmed the reopening of talks over the status of church property on Mt. Zion and elsewhere.
"In a move that surprised observers," CatholicNews.com
http://www.cathnews.com/news/611/165.php reports, "Israel has agreed to re-launch negotiations with the Holy See over church status in the Holy Land that have been stalled since the Olmert government came to power."
A year ago, Arutz-7 reported that a Foreign Ministry official admitted that a blueprint of an agreement with the Vatican giving it control of parts of Mt. Zion in Jerusalem - also known as King David's burial site - had been received.
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http://www.cwnews.com/news/viewstory.cfm?recnum=48075
When Prime Minister Ehud Olmert meets in the Vatican next week with Pope Benedict XVI; they will discuss a number of issues including Iran and the PA (Palestinian Authority). The pope has recently held meetings with Iranian officials as well as with PA Prime Minister Ismail Haniyah, who heads the Hamas administration.
Mr. Olmert will call on the pontiff to make public statements against Iran's continued call for the eradication of the State as Israel, as well as seeking the Vatican's assistance in strengthening Islamic moderates in the region in the hope of preventing fundamentalists from gaining power.
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/news.php3?id=117006
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3337714,00.html
*Olmert says open to international force in Gaza
Prime minister tells Italian TV he's ready to discuss Italy's proposal to send international troops to Gaza when he meets with Italian PM in Rome Wednesday*
Associated Press
Prime Minister Ehud Olmert said Friday he was ready to discuss Italy's proposal to send international troops to Gaza when he travels to Rome next week for a meeting with the Italian premier.
http://www.justiceforjews.com/pdf/PRESS_RELEASE_Ira_1025FF.pdf
*/Justice for Jews from Arab Countries (JJAC)
/**Honorary Chairs*: Irwin Cotler [Canada], Shlomo Hillel [Israel],
Richard Holbrooke [USA], Leon Levy [USA], Lord Weidenfeld [UK], James
Tisch [USA], Mortimer B. Zuckerman [USA]
*Founding Chairman*: S. Daniel Abraham [USA]
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The Israel Policy Forum is clearly working to destroy Israel; and is not to be trusted.
--------- Example one - position on Jerusalem
http://www.israelpolicyforum.org/display.cfm?id=6&Sub=15&Dis=294
*_O Jerusalem_*
*July 28, 2000 Issue #9*
**Excerpts: * It is *also where it *agreed that*,/ at the end of the day, even *_Jerusalem would have to be discussed._ * /Likud leaders like Ariel Sharon and Ehud Olmert may deny that. But they have to know that the only way to avoid discussion of Jerusalem’s future would be by scuttling the negotiations entirely. How could Jerusalem not be discussed when each side points to the city as the very heart of what one calls Israel, the other Palestine?
www.israeljustice.com
Excerpt:
*"*Lieberman*, who reported frequent meetings with ministers and senior officials, said he informed and coordinated with police before and during every protest....Lieberman was not questioned regarding the source of funding for the sham civil disobedience campaign. In 2005, left-wing critics said the protests were financed through millions of dollars in government funding.
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By doing this your taking the blame from the long time 'peace now' olmert family who are really to blame
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no i am not... they are all slime and they are all in on the plot to destroy israel... here have a look at this piece and see for yourself... everyone should read the book "vatican ratline" by mauri which barry quotes... i just now ordered it on-line at amazon books... nik. out...
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Front Line, Vatican, My Catholic Friends
by Barry Chamish
February 26, 2007
I point out that Israel's leaders are deliberately wiping out the nation, and the Jews boycott me. I prove the Vatican's fingers are in Israel's upcoming ruin and two top-notch Catholic writers rush to my side. I knew Francisco Gil-White was a terrific writer years ago and so we've remained corresponding writer buddies. Since being fired from his professor's post for defending Jews, he has entered the heights of living legend status in a few circles. Before putting out his latest piece, he commented:
"Finally getting better. Thanks! My article on Perfidy is finished. I will put it up today on a blind link so that you can see it and give me last minute comments. I want to publish it tonight. Francisco Gil-White"
Naturally, I replied that he wrote a triumph. It's time for a parade. Look how he concludes his essay:
http://www.hirhome.com/israel/leaders4.htm
From Francisco Gil-White:
"This is the most important lesson/: just as the Nazis needed Rudolf Kastner to distract and reassure the Hungarian Jews, so do the forces that would now destroy the Israeli Jews need Ehud Olmert or any of the main current pretenders to the Israeli prime ministership to distract and dupe the Israelis -- and to repress any protest, too -- while the next slaughter, due very soon, is being prepared."
"This is a very difficult lesson for Jews to learn because they don’t know the above history, educated as they have been by the leaders of Labor Zionism, who to this day control most of the major Jewish organizations in the Diaspora http://www.hirhome.com/israel/leaders2.htm, as well as the Israeli government, the Israeli education system, and the Israeli media http://www.hirhome.com/israel/hezbollah7_2.htm. And it is difficult to learn because they would rather cling to their illusions than to their very lives. As George Santayana correctly said 'Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.' The Jews are about to repeat their own tragic past."
"Is this inevitable? Well no. But without a revolution, it is a certain outcome. If the Israeli Jews simply trust that their so-called leaders will defend them, or that their Diaspora brethren will come in a white horse to rescue them, their fate will be identical to that of the Hungarian Jews in WWII."
"The Hungarian Jews trusted. And they died."
Why, he sounds just like me. So maybe someone will listen to him. After all, he's not...well, me.
And look at the week enjoyed by King Juan Carlos. Yes, the same one I exposed in my book, Save Israel. Go to www.lulu.com and look. I claim that every diplomatic move in the Middle East must first pass by his grimy talons. I show that he believes he is the rightful "Guardian Of Jerusalem's Holy Places." But did you know that the Jesuit-educated monarch is also Council of Arab House in Madrid. And betcha you didn't know that he gathered a group of the Middle East's hottest foreign ministers to discuss Israel's removal from the Golan and Palestine. That's what the Vatican does on its day off:
http://www.sana.org/eng/22/2007/02/22/104209.htm
*MADRID,(SANA)_ King Juan Carlos and Queen Sofia of Spain opened Thursday in Madrid the Arab House and Spanish Political Conference with the participation of Foreign Minister Walid al-Moallem and Foreign Ministers of Saudi Arabia, UAE, Tunisia, Yemen, Iraq and Jordan.*
*King Carlos, who heads council of Secretaries in the Arab house, hoped this conference would be the starting point for an Arab-Spanish ministerial forum and a framework for political interaction for reaching joint stances in future.*
*Al-Moallem, in a speech he delivered, underlined importance of reviving the Arab-Europe dialogue, touching upon the important role that Spain is playing as "a bridge between the Arab and Europe in understanding the region's causes."*
*He called for reviving the Middle East peace process with the aim of reaching a just and comprehensive settlement that ends the Israeli occupation of the occupied Arab territories in the Golan and Palestine.*
He underlined necessity of Europe to shoulder a more dynamic role towards a number of causes on top of which is the Middle East peace process and offering the necessary aid to the Palestinian government.
*The Ministerial declaration of the conference stressed the dire need for finding a solution to the Arab-Israeli conflict.
*Those who know my writing have long concluded that any Israeli who touches the Vatican their way, will become mighty sullied. Yitzhak Rabin was murdered and his wife, at the first legal opportunity, flies to the pope. Why? Oh, just to hear herself threatened not to open her mouth and get Shimon in trouble. Ex- Pres. Katsav wouldn't give the Vatican the Last Supper Room on Mount Zion. He faces 6 charges of rape a year later.
Now my charming Catholic friend has sent me her new book, Vatican Ratline by Mauri, www.reflectionsinthenight.com For years she has keep my morale high by commenting on my handsome looks. And she means it, girls. And now I learn, she knows of what she speaks. That is a secret between me and book buyers.
Of the Vatican's burning desire for the Last Supper Room, she writes:
"The first celebration of the new Church was of the Last Supper of Christ. This later developed into the Catholic mass. While I can understand the emotion of the crucifixion, it is still a celebration of death."
I am proud to say, I receive proper referrals in the volume as I have in such books as Gideon's Spies, Gordon Thomas; Lies, Dr. David Morrison, A Cup Of Tea, Tim White, David's Uncle, Hebrew, this 900 page volume is now mostly credited to Dr. Hillel Weiss, etc. Now here is a fine modern writer, Mauri, who believes in my research. Refreshing, no?
pp 59 - "By the Vatican's own definition of a Crusade, the Catholic Church Crusade continues in secret down to the present day. It's goal is the creation of 'A New World Order' under the Church Of Rome."
pp 60 - "Combine an obsession with death and the need for a scapegoat to spread passion to the flock, and The Passion Play is given birth."
pp 102 - 'The goal of a one world religion is to come out on top and then consume all the competing religions into your flock. The biggest player is the Roman Catholic Church, whose goal is to give Jerusalem to the 'infallible' pope so that he may rule the world from Solomon's rebuilt Temple and be worshiped as a living god. The Jews would prove important in their plans by the use of both sympathy and by creating global anti-Jewish fury. The Muslims have a role to play, mostly terrorist."
pp 103 - "The false messiah, Shabtai Tzvi, founded the Donmeh sect in the 1600s. His followers founded the Sabbataian cult. The movement spread through Europe in the 18th Century by Jacob Frank and his followers, the Frankists. Add Jesuit influence and the automatic result is the deterioration of the cult into mind-controlled criminal activity and Satanism. Could such a group work with the Nazis in the killing of millions of fellow Jews?"
pp 108 - "The principles of Zionism, the creation of a Jewish State in Palestine, seem a benevolent answer to worldwide anti-Semitism. But one must always question the random acts of kindness by the global elite. Zionism may have led to the Holocaust of the remaining Jews in Europeloser to reality, through the help of corruption at the highest levels of the Zionist movement in Israel. That extra element of War, was added by pushing the Muslims around in the area, so that there could be no peace. Jimmy Carter of the Council On Foreign Relations ordered a covert war against the Soviets in Afghanistan and the CIA funded the Taliban. The secret training and funding of Muslim groups for war continued alongside the training and funding of Israel. The end result of this intentional setting of one group against another was a guaranteed holocaust in the Middle East."
pp 120 - "The Vatican had gone to a lot of trouble to get the Jews where they wanted them, which was in Israel. And they didn't want them prematurely wiped out. The Jews were the scapegoat for the war in Europe, and the Vatican was positioning them to be the scapegoat for the coming war in the Middle East."
pp 121 - "No one in this Game is operating with free will. It is the intent of the Game, world domination, which needs to be destroyed. It is time for Rome to disappear into history."
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BOOK REVIEW: BYE BYE GAZA
At last I have my own copy of Bye Bye Gaza by Barry Chamish*.
As always, Barry's most recent book is a tour de force of information, sources and quotes showing how the forces of Israel's elite have conspired to destroy the Jewish State – or at least its truly Jewish individuals and communities – and sadly how the majority of the 'Right' have ignored or spurned his warnings. I guess I have a minor axe to grind as all the Gush Katif pictures in the book – and on the cover – were taken/supplied by me!
It is true that most cannot handle the reports of murders, conspiracies and corruption in high places and rather than get their heads around it, they reject Barry's findings as exaggerated or even untrue.
Nothing could be further from the case as we know too well from the destruction of Gush Katif and the on going hope of many in high places, to empty Judea and Samaria of Jews and to allow the Vatican to take over Jerusalem and more...
But, I do hope that with all these provisos you will take this review and the book seriously – get it, read it and pass it around!
Gemma Blech - Jerusalem
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I wouldn't trust Chamish...
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i would...
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I wouldn't trust Chamish...
I agree. I think hes a nut.
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I wouldn't trust Chamish...
Same (didn't read the article anyway). Can their just be a ban on anything and everything that Chamish says on this forum?
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also check out the holocaust conspiracy by William perl who was a member of Betar and helped Jews get into Palestine during the Holocaust
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check it out to see what exactly...? and you guys are a bit daff... chamish's research and investigative journalism is real and true or the slime would not have taken 2 shots at killing him off... that's certain proof... nik. out...
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Nik, you are insane.
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thanks so much really... but it takes one to know one... ta...
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"There he was to agree to give the Vatican sovereignty over parts of Mount Zion and to accept "the Spanish initiative," replacing the Israeli army in Gaza with soldiers from Catholic Europe."
Do you mean UN "Peace-Keeping" forces?
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You guys, this is sounding a lot like Catholic bashing, which JTF is against.
Now granted, we may not agree with policies of the RCC. But this forum is really not the place for RCC conspiracy theories.
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This is insane
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Lisa, Nik needs a 72-hour evaluation, IMHO. ::)
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I am for an open debate on the conspiracy-theories on the Vatican.
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It's enough to disagree with certain positions of the RCC. But I don't think we need a whole thread that will end up bashing them.
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I think that it is in the interest of all of us to find out what of these theories is correct.
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Disclaimer:
This post DOES NOT apply to rank & file catholics.
It's no secret the vatican is anti-semitic. It has been since it's creation 1700 years ago.
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and so it begins... no rational... it means nato troops like in bosnia... as for the rest of you evaluate away... all i know is that in a society where conspiracy theories are dismissed out of hand without so much as a looksee... that is a society which is prone to have secret shadow stuff going on because human nature given what it is (i.e. with an extant yazer hora)... the ruling slime would not be able to overcome the temptation to run-amok... i mean if no one is watching most of those vermin wouldn't think twice about murdering, raping and pillaging their way to the top of the food chain... and this is exactly what they have always done throughout the ages... slime is as slime does... and these are slime and these are their ways... nik. out
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Nik isn't criticizing individual Catholics.
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Of course the Vatican pursues anti-Israel policies, but it does this OPENLY. This secret conspiratorial nonsense makes us look like fools and Ron Paul-esque Nazis.
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Of course the Vatican pursues anti-Israel policies, but it does this OPENLY. This secret conspiratorial nonsense makes us look like fools and Ron Paul-esque Nazis.
You gotta admit the jesuits are pretty 'spookie'.
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they are_________________... you fill in the blank yourself... any expletive will do... any at all will fit them to a tee... just read for yourselves "vatican assassins" no excuses it's up here already... nik. out...
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There is nothing that the Vatican is doing right now that is not obvious and plain to see. The Vatican OPENLY demands that Israel surrender land to the Muslim Nazis and OPENLY calls for a borderless world. There need be no conspiracy, because their agenda is on the table for all to see.
These Catholic-conspiracy threads just discredit us.
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yeah...? do you know what their slime-nazi plans are for har habayit...? for what they are just aching to do to all of us jews in the world yet again...? are these plans of theirs and they are their sick plans... are they out there... open and on the table...? not hardly... you just don't WANT any of this to be true... so you will it away with a wave of your emperial hand and with contempt, scorn and derision for anyone like moi who takes this shi- seriously... nik.
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i notice c.f. that you have had nothing to say in response to my retort... all flippin' day... ta... nik.
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I don't need to say anything to this. The Vatican OPENLY says Israel must surrender all Judea and Samaria. I don't need your secret sources.
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Disclaimer:
This post DOES NOT apply to rank & file catholics.
It's no secret the vatican is anti-semitic. It has been since it's creation 1700 years ago.
Oh shut up. You are a fool and know nothing about the Catholic Church.
What exactly is "spookie" about the Jesuits? You are an ignorant child.
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Complete and utter BS that the vatican calls for a borderless world. Where do you get this stuff from? Do you just make it up?
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I am really starting to get sick of all this Catholic bashing on the forum, it is the main reason that I have been less active on this forum lately. And it is complete non-sense to say that you are not attacking individual Catholics when you do so. Would anyone stand for it if someone came on here and bashed Judaism as a religon but tried to claim that they weren't attacking Jews as individuals? Of course not. All of this Catholic and Vatican conspiracy crap is just disgusting. JTF is quickly turning into, if it is not already, an anti-Catholic forum that is very very unwelcoming to Catholics.
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I am really starting to get sick of all this Catholic bashing on the forum, it is the main reason that I have been less active on this forum lately. And it is complete non-sense to say that you are not attacking individual Catholics when you do so. Would anyone stand for it if someone came on here and bashed Judaism as a religon but tried to claim that they weren't attacking Jews as individuals? Of course not. All of this Catholic and Vatican conspiracy crap is just disgusting. JTF is quickly turning into, if it is not already, an anti-Catholic forum that is very very unwelcoming to Catholics.
Criticising the Vatican is NOT 'bashing' the faith itself.
If I attack crooked TV preachers I'm NOT attacking protestantism, am I?
If we attack looney Rabbis at NK (and we do a lot), we're not attacking Judaism, are we?
Therefore If we attack a certain group of RC Church priests it cannot be construed as an attack on catholicism or ordinary catholics.
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I am really starting to get sick of all this Catholic bashing on the forum, it is the main reason that I have been less active on this forum lately. And it is complete non-sense to say that you are not attacking individual Catholics when you do so. Would anyone stand for it if someone came on here and bashed Judaism as a religon but tried to claim that they weren't attacking Jews as individuals? Of course not. All of this Catholic and Vatican conspiracy crap is just disgusting. JTF is quickly turning into, if it is not already, an anti-Catholic forum that is very very unwelcoming to Catholics.
Criticising the Vatican is NOT 'bashing' the faith itself.
If I attack crooked TV preachers I'm NOT attacking protestantism, am I?
If we attack looney Rabbis at NK (and we do a lot), we're not attacking Judaism, are we?
Therefore If we attack a certain group of RC Church priests it cannot be construed as an attack on catholicism or ordinary catholics.
Protestants and Jews do not all belong to one institution. Catholics do. And you claim that the Catholic Church is an anti-semetic institution and has been for over 1700 years. You claim that I, and all Catholics are members of an anti-semetic institution. Big difference.
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I am really starting to get sick of all this Catholic bashing on the forum, it is the main reason that I have been less active on this forum lately. And it is complete non-sense to say that you are not attacking individual Catholics when you do so. Would anyone stand for it if someone came on here and bashed Judaism as a religon but tried to claim that they weren't attacking Jews as individuals? Of course not. All of this Catholic and Vatican conspiracy crap is just disgusting. JTF is quickly turning into, if it is not already, an anti-Catholic forum that is very very unwelcoming to Catholics.
Criticising the Vatican is NOT 'bashing' the faith itself.
If I attack crooked TV preachers I'm NOT attacking protestantism, am I?
If we attack looney Rabbis at NK (and we do a lot), we're not attacking Judaism, are we?
Therefore If we attack a certain group of RC Church priests it cannot be construed as an attack on catholicism or ordinary catholics.
Protestants and Jews do not all belong to one institution. Catholics do. And you claim that the Catholic Church is an anti-semetic institution and has been for over 1700 years. You claim that I, and all Catholics are members of an anti-semetic institution. Big difference.
Big difference, my foot.
If we blast a baptist TV preacher we atre not attacking all baptists. It would be hysterical nonsense to say so.
Re: the church's undeniable anti-semitic history.............A fact is a fact. However, being born into that institution does not make you an anti-semite, nor would anyone accuse you of being one. I think you are being over-sensitive.
We blast germany for it's anti-semitism but you don't see Golden Pheasant (a german) crying about it.
Are you claiming we're wrong about the church's attitude to Jews for the last 17 centuries or are you saying we're right about it but just shouldn't mention it? Please explain.
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dhimmi pride has a point .
the Catholic Church has only one leader, the Pope.
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What is this more Catholic Bashing?
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sorry to have to say it but there is simply no way around it... all of you guys and gals who are catholic out there... your religious leaders (those in the know) are hiding from you the true reality of what your religion really is... just like the reform and conservative rabbis (again those in the know) are keeping from their congregations exactly what their religon is as well... because it is not judaism... nor is it monotheism at all... it is in league with the catholic church which is not christian... nor is it monotheistic either... and to see the truth for yourselves all you have to do is be willing to examine one book...
you can get it from amazon as i did... "2 babylons" (the papal worship proved to be the worship of nimrod and his wife)... by rev. alexander hislop (1853)... absolutely blows wide open the secret satanic-cult which underlies every ritual, relic, rite, ceremony, holiday and custom of the vatican's idolatrous clutch of sun and fire worshippers... and it exposes to the light of day just who and what the pope and his court of cardinals actually are and what they really stand for... everything completely documented and explained... no excuses... there is nothing stopping anyone from finding out the truth for oneself... it simply requires open-mindedness and intellectual honesty and integrity and of course the desire to discover nothing but the truth... nik. out...
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A Jew I know, told me that today , in Putin's Russia, the Orthodox Russian Church, is much more openly anti-semitic, than the Catholic Church today, that is almost dead.
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Would you like to shun the Catholics from this movement? You are basically going after an entire religion over millions for what the vatican does.. Many Catholics don't even pay attention to the pope.. but you are?
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yes i am... or as i prefer to say... paying attention to the jesuit general who runs the pope... they are planning another holocaust of my people and i don't give a damn who i offend while attempting to save jewish lives... so if you don't mind... i've got work to do... nik.
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There is just a new general in power.
i read some of "vatican assasins" of Phelps.
Who else knows this book?
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I am really starting to get sick of all this Catholic bashing on the forum, it is the main reason that I have been less active on this forum lately. And it is complete non-sense to say that you are not attacking individual Catholics when you do so. Would anyone stand for it if someone came on here and bashed Judaism as a religon but tried to claim that they weren't attacking Jews as individuals? Of course not. All of this Catholic and Vatican conspiracy crap is just disgusting. JTF is quickly turning into, if it is not already, an anti-Catholic forum that is very very unwelcoming to Catholics.
Criticising the Vatican is NOT 'bashing' the faith itself.
If I attack crooked TV preachers I'm NOT attacking protestantism, am I?
If we attack looney Rabbis at NK (and we do a lot), we're not attacking Judaism, are we?
Therefore If we attack a certain group of RC Church priests it cannot be construed as an attack on catholicism or ordinary catholics.
Protestants and Jews do not all belong to one institution. Catholics do. And you claim that the Catholic Church is an anti-semetic institution and has been for over 1700 years. You claim that I, and all Catholics are members of an anti-semetic institution. Big difference.
Big difference, my foot.
If we blast a baptist TV preacher we atre not attacking all baptists. It would be hysterical nonsense to say so.
Re: the church's undeniable anti-semitic history.............A fact is a fact. However, being born into that institution does not make you an anti-semite, nor would anyone accuse you of being one. I think you are being over-sensitive.
We blast germany for it's anti-semitism but you don't see Golden Pheasant (a german) crying about it.
Are you claiming we're wrong about the church's attitude to Jews for the last 17 centuries or are you saying we're right about it but just shouldn't mention it? Please explain.
Totally different things. Being German is an ethnicity, it is not a choice and can not be changed like a religion can be. Baptists are not a united group. They don't even share a common set of beliefs let alone have one leader. Baptists often brag about how their various differences and splits make more baptists. "We multiply by dividing" they say. And what you are doing in regards to the Catholic Church is nothing like you're examples of televanglists or an NK rabbi. You are not bashing an individual Catholic priest, Bishop, Cardinal, theologian, or Pope. You are attacking the Church as an institution throughout its entire history (its been 2,000 years since St. Peter founded the Catholic Church not 1,700 btw). There certainly has been a long history of anti-semitism in the Church and periods when the Church did evil things to Jews. But it is wrong to say that this was true for the entire history of the Church- actually the Jesuits who you seem to despise (I'm waiting to hear what you think is so spooky about them) stand out as an example of people who were particulary favorable towards Jews. And the Catholic Church of today has changed ALOT from the anti-semitism of the past. John Paul II and Pope Benedict XVI especially have tried to do alot to change the Church and repent for the sins of the past. To try and claim that the Church today is anti-semitic and the Vatican is evil is just ridiculous.
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yes i am... or as i prefer to say... paying attention to the jesuit general who runs the pope... they are planning another holocaust of my people and i don't give a damn who i offend while attempting to save jewish lives... so if you don't mind... i've got work to do... nik.
JTF seeks to create a coalition of Jews and righteous gentiles to save Israel and America. Righteous Catholics are a part of that coalition and JTF has an official policy against Catholic bashing. If anyone doesn't belong it is you and your insane nazi like Vatican conspiracies!
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The Phelps book is basically just assuming that all alleged "Jewish conspiracies", are in fact a cover for Jesuit activities.
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Would you like to shun the Catholics from this movement? You are basically going after an entire religion over millions for what the vatican does.. Many Catholics don't even pay attention to the pope.. but you are?
Thankyou MW, that's just my point.
Most catholics have little regard for the anti-semites and hard-liners in the vatican. It's not like 400 years ago when blind obedience was the norm. I've been at mass where fellow catholics were openly critical of vatican policy and not too polite about that criticism.
Is it not obvious then that criticism of the vatican (for anti-semitism-not theology) does not amount to bashing rank & file catholics.
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Would you like to shun the Catholics from this movement? You are basically going after an entire religion over millions for what the vatican does.. Many Catholics don't even pay attention to the pope.. but you are?
Thankyou MW, that's just my point.
Most catholics have little regard for the anti-semites and hard-liners in the vatican. It's not like 400 years ago when blind obedience was the norm. I've been at mass where fellow catholics were openly critical of vatican policy and not too polite about that criticism.
Is it not obvious then that criticism of the vatican (for anti-semitism-not theology) does not amount to bashing rank & file catholics.
HAHAHA most Catholics have little regard for the Vatican? You can't be serious. There is a word for Catholics who don't like the Vatican: Anglicans. John Paul II was the most popular Pope in history. Do you have any idea of the millions and millions of people that go to see the Pope during World Youth Days? Of course Catholics are critical of certain positions of the Vatican but not the institution of the Vatican itself. We are allowed to question, debate, and to think freely, but we are supposed to follow the Church's teachings.
How can you claim the Church today is anti-semitic? Name for me a single thing that Pope Benedict XVI has said or done that could be considered anti-semitic. Pope Benedict has done alot to try and reconcile with the Jewish people. He has repeatidly denouced the evils of nazism, he has stressed the Jewish roots of Catholicism in his writings, attends passover ceremonies at synagoges and calls the Jewish people "brothers" and "the people of the covenant."
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Thankyou MW, that's just my point.
Most catholics have little regard for the anti-semites and hard-liners in the vatican. It's not like 400 years ago when blind obedience was the norm. I've been at mass where fellow catholics were openly critical of vatican policy and not too polite about that criticism.
Is it not obvious then that criticism of the vatican (for anti-semitism-not theology) does not amount to bashing rank & file catholics.
HAHAHA most Catholics have little regard for the Vatican? You can't be serious. There is a word for Catholics who don't like the Vatican: Anglicans. John Paul II was the most popular Pope in history. Do you have any idea of the millions and millions of people that go to see the Pope during World Youth Days? Of course Catholics are critical of certain positions of the Vatican but not the institution of the Vatican itself. We are allowed to question, debate, and to think freely, but we are supposed to follow the Church's teachings.
How can you claim the Church today is anti-semitic? Name for me a single thing that Pope Benedict XVI has said or done that could be considered anti-semitic. Pope Benedict has done alot to try and reconcile with the Jewish people. He has repeatidly denouced the evils of nazism, he has stressed the Jewish roots of Catholicism in his writings, attends passover ceremonies at synagoges and calls the Jewish people "brothers" and "the people of the covenant."
Since you asked..........
No recognition of the State of Israel until 1994.
Constant demands for the surrender of Judea & Samaria.
Demands for the internationalisation of Jerusalem.
And that's just on JP ll's watch.
As for benny's criticism of nazism................he's a kraut AND a former hitler(Y'S) youth!
Disclaimer:
The above is an answer to a question and NOT an attack on righteous rank & file catholics.
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all i'm saying is the religion is not really what it pretends to be... i do not mean to demean or slight any sincere believing catholics who believe what they think catholicism teaches them... i would never want to disparage good and decent people of any creed or walk of life... or their clergymen either... assuming that they do not know or are not aware of the truth about their faith... which unfortunately all of them including protestantism and reform, conservative and reconstructionist judaism are mistaken and not teaching the real story and truth about G-d and His ways... and therefore all have at least a little bit of idolatry mixed in and interwoven into their religion and beliefs... some more than others... nik. out...
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Since you asked..........
No recognition of the State of Israel until 1994.
Diplomatic relations is not the same as recognition. The Vatican always recognized Israel and Popes and high ranking clergy have met with Israeli leaders and PMs since Israel was founded. And you are right to criticize them for not establishing relations with them sooner. But I don't think their lack of recognition was rooted in anti-semitism. Alot of it had to do with the considerations of Catholics living in the Arab world. Having a the Catholic Church establish close ties with Israel could be death, literally, for many of those people. Alot of the hostility towards relations also involved control over Christian holy sites and favortism, real or perceived, towards the Orthodox Church by Israel. The Vatican also took many many years to establish formal diplomatic ties with the US, Mexico, Poland, Italy ect. Why did they do that? Given your logic I guess you would argue that the Vatican is anti-Catholic.
Constant demands for the surrender of Judea & Samaria.
I think you greatly exagerate the Vaticans enthusiasm. I am against the Vaticans position in regards to Judea and Samaria. But that is not an official Church teaching or an article of faith. And it is also the position of possibly most Israelis and is the official policy of the US, all Western nations and most of the world. To scapgoat the Vatican for this situation is ridiculous. The Vatican is wrong but that does not make it anti-semitic.
Demands for the internationalisation of Jerusalem.
The Vatican wanted an International Jerusalem in 1947 but has withdrawn that position.
And that's just on JP ll's watch.
Oh yeah. That great anti-semite and foe of Israel John Paul II ::)
"one must understand that the Jews, who were dispersed throughout the world for two thousand years, had decided to return to the land of their forefathers. They have this right."~ John Paul II
"you are our brothers and, in a certain way, our dearly beloved older brothers." ~ John Paul II
"the Jews have a right to nationhood, as do all other peoples, according to international law." ~ John Paul II
"the Jewish people, after the tragic experiences linked to the slaughter of many of its sons and daughters, motivated by a desire for security, established the State of Israel." ~ John Paul II
On Israel 1984: "the desired security and tranquillity that are the prerogative of every nation, as well as required conditions for the life and progress of every society." ~ John Paul II
"Never again anti-Semitism, never again genocide," ~ John Paul II at the ceremony marking the 50th anniversary of the liberation of Auschwitz
"Then came World War II, with the concentration camps and the planned extermination. First it was precisely the Jewish people who suffered this, solely because they were Jews. Anyone living in Poland at that time had contact with that reality, even if only indirectly....This was therefore my own experience, too; an experience that I carry within me to this day....Auschwitz, perhaps the most eloquent symbol of the Holocaust of the Jewish people, shows how far a system built on premises of racial hatred or a passion to dominate can lead a nation. Auschwitz continues to sound its warning to this day, reminding us that anti-Semitism is a grave sin against humanity; that every racial hatred inevitably leads to the infringement of human dignity.
There is no doubt that the Shoah still stands at the center of the Jewish people's agenda and should continue to stand at the center of the international community's agenda, especially in an effort to uproot any possibility of its repetition in the future. It is important to be aware of the sensitivity of the Jewish people: the wounds and scars of the Shoah are still fresh and painful in its body." ~ John Paul II
As for benny's criticism of nazism................he's a kraut AND a former hitler(Y'S) youth!
The current Pope is from Germany and at age 14, along with every other boy in Germany at the time, was compelled to join the Hitler Youth. Ratzingers family hated the Nazi's, his father was a vocal critic of the Nazi's because he believed, like John Paul II and many many others, that it conflicted with Catholic teachings. The family also hated the Nazi's because Ratzinger's 14 year old cousin who had downs syndrome had been murdered during the Nazi's eugenics campaign. Ratzinger refused to attend Hitler Youth meetings because they were held on Sundays and they conflicted with Church services- which was done deliberately by the Nazi's in order to get the youth to loose their Christian faith in favor of Nazi mysticism/paganism. Two years later he was drafted into the German air force, he saw no combat due to health reasons and as soon as the allies were near him abandoned his unit and soon became a priest. He is not now and never was a Nazi in any way, shape, or form. His only crime was being born in Germany in 1927.
Try reading what Benedict XVI has actually said about Judaism, Israel, and the Holocaust, as seen below, before calling him a Nazi. He was also the person behind the Vatican establishing formal relations with Israel.
Abraham, father of the people of Israel, father of faith, thus become the source of blessing, for in him all the families of the earth shall call themselves blessed. The task of the Chosen People is, therefore, to make a gift of their G-d � the one true G-d � to every other people; in reality, as Christians we are the inheritors of their faith in the one G-d. Our gratitude, therefore, must be extended to our Jewish brothers and sisters who, despite the hardships of their own history, have held on to faith in this G-d right up to the present, and who witness to it in the sight of those peoples who, lacking knowledge of the one G-d, dwell in darkness and in the shadow of death.
Down through the history of Christianity, already-strained relations deteriorated further, even giving birth in many cases to anti-Jewish attitudes, which throughout history have led to deplorable acts of violence. Even if the most recent, loathsome experience of the Shoah was perpetrated in the name of an anti-Christian ideology, which tried to strike the Christian faith at its Abrahamic roots in the people of Israel it cannot be denied that a certain insufficient resistance to its atrocity on the part of Christians can be explained by an inherited anti-Judaism present in the hearts of not a few Christians.
Perhaps it is precisely because of this latest tragedy that a new vision of the relationship between the Church and Israel has been born: a sincere willingness to overcome every kind of anti-Judaism, and to initiate a constructive dialogue based on knowledge of each other, and on reconciliation. If such a dialogue is to be fruitful, it must begin with a prayer to our G-d, first of all that he might grant to us Christians a greater esteem and love for that people � the people of Israel � to whom belong the adoption as sons, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the worship, and the promises; theirs are the patriarchs, and from them comes Christ according to the flesh, he who is over all, G-d, blessed forever. Amen. And this not only in the past, but still today, for the gifts and the call of G-d are irrevocable. In the same way, let us pray that he may grant also to the children of Israel a deeper knowledge of Jesus of Nazareth, who is their son, and the gift they have made to us. Since we are both awaiting the final redemption, let us pray that the paths we follow may converge.
It is evident that, as Christians, our dialogue with the Jews is situated on a different level than that in which we engage with other religions. The faith witnessed to by the Jewish Bible (The Tanach for Christians) is not merely another religion to us, but is the foundation of our own faith. Therefore, Christians � and today increasingly in collaboration with their Jewish sisters and brothers � read and attentively study these books of Sacred Scripture, as a part of their common heritage.
I'm still waiting to hear about those spooky Jesuits. And for you to give me one anti-semitic statement by Benedict XVI
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Benny's only been there 5 minutes, give him time.
http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/blackpope.htm
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Benny's only been there 5 minutes, give him time.
http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/blackpope.htm
Benedict XVI has been one of the Church's primere theologians for decades and has written dozens of books and hundreds of articles. And that is your response? That he's been around 5 minutes! You are a joke. You're actually disappointed that he is not anti-semitic and are waiting (hoping) for him to do something against the Jewish people in order to justify your hatred of Catholicism.
And Eric Jon Phelps is your source on the Jesuits. The guy who says the Jesuits control the mafia, are responsible for the JFK and Kennedy assasinations, are responisble for Stalin, 9/11, the global drug trade. Are you insane? What are you doing on JTF opposing Islamic terrorism if you believe that the Jesuits are the persons responsible for Islamic terrorism anyway? This is not JTFs possition.
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Benny's only been there 5 minutes, give him time.
http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/blackpope.htm
Benedict XVI has been one of the Church's primere theologians for decades and has written dozens of books and hundreds of articles. And that is your response? That he's been around 5 minutes! You are a joke. You're actually disappointed that he is not anti-semitic and are waiting (hoping) for him to do something against the Jewish people in order to justify your hatred of Catholicism.
And Eric Jon Phelps is your source on the Jesuits. The guy who says the Jesuits control the mafia, are responsible for the JFK and Kennedy assasinations, are responisble for Stalin, 9/11, the global drug trade. Are you insane? What are you doing on JTF opposing Islamic terrorism if you believe that the Jesuits are the persons responsible for Islamic terrorism anyway? This is not JTFs possition.
Phelps is a science-fiction writer.
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Benny's only been there 5 minutes, give him time.
http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/blackpope.htm
Benedict XVI has been one of the Church's primere theologians for decades and has written dozens of books and hundreds of articles. And that is your response? That he's been around 5 minutes! You are a joke. You're actually disappointed that he is not anti-semitic and are waiting (hoping) for him to do something against the Jewish people in order to justify your hatred of Catholicism.
And Eric Jon Phelps is your source on the Jesuits. The guy who says the Jesuits control the mafia, are responsible for the JFK and Kennedy assasinations, are responisble for Stalin, 9/11, the global drug trade. Are you insane? What are you doing on JTF opposing Islamic terrorism if you believe that the Jesuits are the persons responsible for Islamic terrorism anyway? This is not JTFs possition.
Phelps is a science-fiction writer.
No kidding. As someone who has gone to Jesuits schools I can not believe the insane things I read posted on here and some dark corners of the internet. It was the Jesuits who taught me about the Jewish people, about Gods covenant with them, and the Jewish roots of Catholicism. And St. Ignatius (founder of the Jesuit order) stands out as a stark contrast to most of the anti-semites in the Church at that time. He lamented that he was not born with the Jewish blood of Jesus and Gods chosen people.
All of these Jesuit bashers have the same conspiracy mentality as the Nazis. And some even openly buy into Jewish conspiracies only they believe that the Jesuits, not the "Elders of Zion" are the ones pulling the springs.
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http://www.reformation.org/jesuit-papal-assassins.html ;)
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Benny's only been there 5 minutes, give him time.
http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/blackpope.htm
Benedict XVI has been one of the Church's primere theologians for decades and has written dozens of books and hundreds of articles. And that is your response? That he's been around 5 minutes! You are a joke. You're actually disappointed that he is not anti-semitic and are waiting (hoping) for him to do something against the Jewish people in order to justify your hatred of Catholicism.
And Eric Jon Phelps is your source on the Jesuits. The guy who says the Jesuits control the mafia, are responsible for the JFK and Kennedy assasinations, are responisble for Stalin, 9/11, the global drug trade. Are you insane? What are you doing on JTF opposing Islamic terrorism if you believe that the Jesuits are the persons responsible for Islamic terrorism anyway? This is not JTFs possition.
Phelps is a science-fiction writer.
No kidding. As someone who has gone to Jesuits schools I can not believe the insane things I read posted on here and some dark corners of the internet. It was the Jesuits who taught me about the Jewish people, about Gods covenant with them, and the Jewish roots of Catholicism. And St. Ignatius (founder of the Jesuit order) stands out as a stark contrast to most of the anti-semites in the Church at that time. He lamented that he was not born with the Jewish blood of Jesus and Gods chosen people.
All of these Jesuit bashers have the same conspiracy mentality as the Nazis. And some even openly buy into Jewish conspiracies only they believe that the Jesuits, not the "Elders of Zion" are the ones pulling the springs.
i agree.
it is just a operation, to please the Jew-haters, to make Jew-conspiracy -BS acceptable.
Next thing is that they say the Black Pope is a secret Jew, to start a new pogrom!
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http://www.reformation.org/jesuit-papal-assassins.html ;)
Why don't you try writing something yourself instead of posting links to idiotic websites. I love how once I explain to you about Vatican-Israel relations, John Paul II and Benedict XVI you fall back on Jesuits conspiracies and yet again place the blame of Muslim crimes against Catholics...ON CATHOLICS. Mehmet Ali Agca isn't responsible for shooting the Pope...the Jesuits are. Father Generals are not elected for life. Peter Hans Kolvenbach just resigned a month ago and the Jesuits elected a new Father General. Pedro Arrupe had a stroke and resigned, he was not removed by the Pope.
This link states that the Vatican only established relations with the US in 1984. Guess the Vatican didn't recognize the United States until then right?
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Benny's only been there 5 minutes, give him time.
http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/blackpope.htm
Benedict XVI has been one of the Church's primere theologians for decades and has written dozens of books and hundreds of articles. And that is your response? That he's been around 5 minutes! You are a joke. You're actually disappointed that he is not anti-semitic and are waiting (hoping) for him to do something against the Jewish people in order to justify your hatred of Catholicism.
And Eric Jon Phelps is your source on the Jesuits. The guy who says the Jesuits control the mafia, are responsible for the JFK and Kennedy assasinations, are responisble for Stalin, 9/11, the global drug trade. Are you insane? What are you doing on JTF opposing Islamic terrorism if you believe that the Jesuits are the persons responsible for Islamic terrorism anyway? This is not JTFs possition.
Phelps is a science-fiction writer.
No kidding. As someone who has gone to Jesuits schools I can not believe the insane things I read posted on here and some dark corners of the internet. It was the Jesuits who taught me about the Jewish people, about Gods covenant with them, and the Jewish roots of Catholicism. And St. Ignatius (founder of the Jesuit order) stands out as a stark contrast to most of the anti-semites in the Church at that time. He lamented that he was not born with the Jewish blood of Jesus and Gods chosen people.
All of these Jesuit bashers have the same conspiracy mentality as the Nazis. And some even openly buy into Jewish conspiracies only they believe that the Jesuits, not the "Elders of Zion" are the ones pulling the springs.
i agree.
it is just a operation, to please the Jew-haters, to make Jew-conspiracy -BS acceptable.
Next thing is that they say the Black Pope is a secret Jew, to start a new pogrom!
I can't believe some Jews actually buy into this stuff, that is really scary. You know given their mentality they would all be hardcore Nazi's if they were not Jewish.
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Benny's only been there 5 minutes, give him time.
http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/blackpope.htm
Benedict XVI has been one of the Church's primere theologians for decades and has written dozens of books and hundreds of articles. And that is your response? That he's been around 5 minutes! You are a joke. You're actually disappointed that he is not anti-semitic and are waiting (hoping) for him to do something against the Jewish people in order to justify your hatred of Catholicism.
And Eric Jon Phelps is your source on the Jesuits. The guy who says the Jesuits control the mafia, are responsible for the JFK and Kennedy assasinations, are responisble for Stalin, 9/11, the global drug trade. Are you insane? What are you doing on JTF opposing Islamic terrorism if you believe that the Jesuits are the persons responsible for Islamic terrorism anyway? This is not JTFs possition.
Phelps is a science-fiction writer.
No kidding. As someone who has gone to Jesuits schools I can not believe the insane things I read posted on here and some dark corners of the internet. It was the Jesuits who taught me about the Jewish people, about Gods covenant with them, and the Jewish roots of Catholicism. And St. Ignatius (founder of the Jesuit order) stands out as a stark contrast to most of the anti-semites in the Church at that time. He lamented that he was not born with the Jewish blood of Jesus and Gods chosen people.
All of these Jesuit bashers have the same conspiracy mentality as the Nazis. And some even openly buy into Jewish conspiracies only they believe that the Jesuits, not the "Elders of Zion" are the ones pulling the springs.
i agree.
it is just a operation, to please the Jew-haters, to make Jew-conspiracy -BS acceptable.
Next thing is that they say the Black Pope is a secret Jew, to start a new pogrom!
I can't believe some Jews actually buy into this stuff, that is really scary. You know given their mentality they would all be hardcore Nazi's if they were not Jewish.
It is not up to us to tell the Jews who their enemies are.
But, in my opinion, this conspiracy - theories, are completely fantasy.
E.g.: Phelps states that the Jesuits , during WWII, ordered the German army to halt at 12 km from Moskou.
And that Stalingrad was deliberatly lost by the Germans, to enable to death of as much as possible Lutherans (Prussians) .
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http://www.reformation.org/jesuit-papal-assassins.html ;)
Why don't you try writing something yourself instead of posting links to idiotic websites. I love how once I explain to you about Vatican-Israel relations, John Paul II and Benedict XVI you fall back on Jesuits conspiracies and yet again place the blame of Muslim crimes against Catholics...ON CATHOLICS. Mehmet Ali Agca isn't responsible for shooting the Pope...the Jesuits are. Father Generals are not elected for life. Peter Hans Kolvenbach just resigned a month ago and the Jesuits elected a new Father General. Pedro Arrupe had a stroke and resigned, he was not removed by the Pope.
This link states that the Vatican only established relations with the US in 1984. Guess the Vatican didn't recognize the United States until then right?
It's 'funny' that you need to cite the last two popes (out of how many?) and a period of about 25 years (out of 1700!) to deny the rank anti-semitism of the RCC since 300CE.
Have you forgotten about that the first ghetto was in Rome?
Forgotten about the inquisition?
Frgotton about the (literally) thousands of pogroms in RCC majority european countries?
Forgotten about the vatican's pact with hitler(Y'S)?
Forgotten that the vatican opposed the formation of Israel in 1947/48?
Forgotten that when muSSlims attacked Israel in '47, '56, '67 and '73 the RCC was silent but only called for peace when Israel started to win?
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http://www.reformation.org/jesuit-papal-assassins.html ;)
Why don't you try writing something yourself instead of posting links to idiotic websites. I love how once I explain to you about Vatican-Israel relations, John Paul II and Benedict XVI you fall back on Jesuits conspiracies and yet again place the blame of Muslim crimes against Catholics...ON CATHOLICS. Mehmet Ali Agca isn't responsible for shooting the Pope...the Jesuits are. Father Generals are not elected for life. Peter Hans Kolvenbach just resigned a month ago and the Jesuits elected a new Father General. Pedro Arrupe had a stroke and resigned, he was not removed by the Pope.
This link states that the Vatican only established relations with the US in 1984. Guess the Vatican didn't recognize the United States until then right?
It's 'funny' that you need to cite the last two popes (out of how many?) and a period of about 25 years (out of 1700!) to deny the rank anti-semitism of the RCC since 300CE.
Have you forgotten about that the first ghetto was in Rome?
Forgotten about the inquisition?
Frgotton about the (literally) thousands of pogroms in RCC majority european countries?
Forgotten about the vatican's pact with hitler(Y'S)?
Forgotten that the vatican opposed the formation of Israel in 1947/48?
Forgotten that when muSSlims attacked Israel in '47, '56, '67 and '73 the RCC was silent but only called for peace when Israel started to win?
What is with this 1,700 year crap? The Catholic Church is 2,000 years old.
I've said that the Church has a long history of anti-semitism. The Vatican did sign an agreement with Hitler in order to protect the Church in Germany but it quickly ended and the Vatican opposed Hilter and Nazism. That the Vatican did not do more during the Holocaust is a disgrace and should be remembered. But you should also remember the Catholics that helped save hundreds of thousands of Jews from the Holocaust and all Catholics, including Cardinals and a Pope, listed among Righteous Among Nations for doing so. I cited the past two Popes as examples of how the Church has changed and tried to repair its relations with the Jews. But you apparentely would perfer that not be happen.
If those conspiracies are complete fantasies then what is so spooky about the Jesuits?
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http://www.reformation.org/jesuit-papal-assassins.html ;)
Why don't you try writing something yourself instead of posting links to idiotic websites. I love how once I explain to you about Vatican-Israel relations, John Paul II and Benedict XVI you fall back on Jesuits conspiracies and yet again place the blame of Muslim crimes against Catholics...ON CATHOLICS. Mehmet Ali Agca isn't responsible for shooting the Pope...the Jesuits are. Father Generals are not elected for life. Peter Hans Kolvenbach just resigned a month ago and the Jesuits elected a new Father General. Pedro Arrupe had a stroke and resigned, he was not removed by the Pope.
This link states that the Vatican only established relations with the US in 1984. Guess the Vatican didn't recognize the United States until then right?
It's 'funny' that you need to cite the last two popes (out of how many?) and a period of about 25 years (out of 1700!) to deny the rank anti-semitism of the RCC since 300CE.
Have you forgotten about that the first ghetto was in Rome?
Forgotten about the inquisition?
Frgotton about the (literally) thousands of pogroms in RCC majority european countries?
Forgotten about the vatican's pact with hitler(Y'S)?
Forgotten that the vatican opposed the formation of Israel in 1947/48?
Forgotten that when muSSlims attacked Israel in '47, '56, '67 and '73 the RCC was silent but only called for peace when Israel started to win?
What is with this 1,700 year crap? The Catholic Church is 2,000 years old.
It was created by the pagan emperor constantine in 300CE. 2000 minus 300 = 1700.
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No it was founded by St. Peter. The first Bishop of Rome. "And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the powers of death shall not prevail against it."
— Gospel of St. Matthew 16:18
Constantine, a convert like many of the greatest Christians in history, was just the first to make Catholicism the official religion of his state in doing so ending the long period of persecution of Catholics in Byzantium. It was around for hundreds of years before him. Catholicism was founded in Constantinople huh?....thats pretty rich.
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No it was founded by St. Peter. The first Bishop of Rome. "And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the powers of death shall not prevail against it."
— Gospel of St. Matthew 16:18
Constantine, a convert like many of the greatest Christians in history, was just the first time make Catholicism the official religion of his state in doing so ending the long period of persecution of Catholics in Byzantium. It was around for hundreds of years before him. Catholicism was founded in Constantinople huh?....thats pretty rich.
I didn't say the city of Constantinopal. I said the emperor constantine.
http://www.gotquestions.org/origin-Catholic-church.html
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No it was founded by St. Peter. The first Bishop of Rome. "And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the powers of death shall not prevail against it."
— Gospel of St. Matthew 16:18
Constantine, a convert like many of the greatest Christians in history, was just the first time make Catholicism the official religion of his state in doing so ending the long period of persecution of Catholics in Byzantium. It was around for hundreds of years before him. Catholicism was founded in Constantinople huh?....thats pretty rich.
I didn't say the city of Constantinopal. I said the emperor constantine.
http://www.gotquestions.org/origin-Catholic-church.html
Well where do you think he ruled from? Although very important to the history of Catholicism he is much more associated with Orthodox Christianity.
1. Mary is a major figure in Christianity. Nothing practiced involving her comes from any Egyptian cult.
2. The Last Supper comes from the Bible and so do most sacrements. And those that don't come from Christian theology not pagan rituals.
3. Saints are not God like and are not incharge of anything.
4.http://www.catholic.com/library/Peter_and_the_Papacy.asp (http://www.catholic.com/library/Peter_and_the_Papacy.asp)
http://www.catholic-pages.com/pope/hahn.asp (http://www.catholic-pages.com/pope/hahn.asp)
http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=%22the+journey+home%22+early+church&hl=en&sitesearch= (http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=%22the+journey+home%22+early+church&hl=en&sitesearch=)
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Unlike Dhimi Pride I'm not catholic so don't care as much but those links are total conspiracy lunacy mixed with demented anti catholic sentiment from XIX WASP ruled Boston.
1)Protocols were writen by Russian tzarist ochrana (secret politicall police) officer who had links with ultrantionalist organisations like Black hundreds which were in turn influnced by wery anti catholic Russian Ortodox Church.
2) American CFR, Scotish masonery ruling UK and neo marxist EU leadership hate Vatican and catholics, if they're under it orders why EU pursue anti catholic policies?
3) The Author of "Vatican's Assasins" is nut beliving that Israel is country for rascial Jews only. Check out the audition on INR with him.
4) Constanine didn't make the catholicism the state religion in 315, it act of toleration and recognition, Thodosius make catholicism (which in times was not under rule of papacy) the state religion only in 395, nut given that in the west the army and invading germanic tribes were Arian and Roman Empire in west colapsed in early V century, the first time all remaining not conquered by muslims post roman "Europe" was catholic was during Charle le Magne reign around 800. and it lasted only to 1056...
Tha's only few points i made becouse dhimi pride posts were good enough O0; Anyway those links not blamed the Vatican only for Mahomet and Global warming. ::) :D
Or maybe this is fault of Black pope or "khazarians pretending to be Israelites and inventing the world Jews"
too Newman? ::)
There's a global conspiracy but not with one wisible centre, it's the matrix of varius groups, competing with one another. You can find the sides claiming the US and it's "sacred constitution" to be the tool and creation of iluminati on net too, and judging from US policy towards Israel, this theory is better than this one.
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Moved back to the general section at Nik's request.
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Can somebody spare a straitjacket for our friend Nik?
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http://www.reformation.org/jesuit-papal-assassins.html ;)
Why don't you try writing something yourself instead of posting links to idiotic websites. I love how once I explain to you about Vatican-Israel relations, John Paul II and Benedict XVI you fall back on Jesuits conspiracies and yet again place the blame of Muslim crimes against Catholics...ON CATHOLICS. Mehmet Ali Agca isn't responsible for shooting the Pope...the Jesuits are. Father Generals are not elected for life. Peter Hans Kolvenbach just resigned a month ago and the Jesuits elected a new Father General. Pedro Arrupe had a stroke and resigned, he was not removed by the Pope.
This link states that the Vatican only established relations with the US in 1984. Guess the Vatican didn't recognize the United States until then right?
It's 'funny' that you need to cite the last two popes (out of how many?) and a period of about 25 years (out of 1700!) to deny the rank anti-semitism of the RCC since 300CE.
Have you forgotten about that the first ghetto was in Rome?
Forgotten about the inquisition?
Frgotton about the (literally) thousands of pogroms in RCC majority european countries?
Forgotten about the vatican's pact with hitler(Y'S)?
Forgotten that the vatican opposed the formation of Israel in 1947/48?
Forgotten that when muSSlims attacked Israel in '47, '56, '67 and '73 the RCC was silent but only called for peace when Israel started to win?
I think your point is well-made here. The anti-semitism of the Catholic Church heirarchy is well-documented. That is not to bash their religious faith, it is to state fact on how the institution itself was run.
As far as Barry Chamish is concerned, I think it would take more sufficient documentation than he has to offer in order to prove some of his conclusions to be credible and/or correct. That said, he is not a complete hack, and to cast him off as crazy outright would be silly. He HAS uncovered some very groundbreaking research. What he CAN document is convincing. The strength is lacking where he has less documentation, and this includes his more wild theories and conclusions. For instance, he correctly asserted that Shimon Peres and Yossi Beilin were making deals with the Vatican to divide Jerusalem as part of Oslo. It came to light later on that they had deals on certain holy sites being bequeathed to the Vatican per agreement with these two fellows, and Barry was vindicated in his earlier statements. That said, we now see that the continuation of Oslo, Annapolis, has the design for a divided Jerusalem between east and west, Jewish and moooslimm. So we see that there was something to what he said, but it does not seem on the surface that the whole city will fall under Rome's control. This remains to be seen. Perhaps in the event of a potential conflict there is an agreement with Rome. Who knows?
I think certain of his arguments are stronger and more well-documented than others, and certain are very speculative, lacking enough evidence to be convincing. I don't think it's fair to call him a complete loon. Rather, I think someone should research his claims thoroughly, what evidence he offers, and make decisions based on various claims as to which are believable and which aren't. I think it has been well established that the Catholic Church would like a piece of Jerusalem. Chamish himself did indeed have a very inside perspective to the goings-on of the Israeli govt back when he was in Israel doing journalism.
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thanks for the re-post...
thanks for the strait-jacket...
thanks for the memories... nik. out...
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I don't think that Vatican can control US policy or give the Jerusalem to Palestinians; even in medival times the RCC was not omnipotent, and since then they lost teritory, power and influence to first protestants and later secularists; they do not like Jews or Israel but we have to be frank; Who Does?
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they do not like Jews or Israel but we have to be frank; Who Does?
what do u have to base this on?
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they do not like Jews or Israel but we have to be frank; Who Does?
what do u have to base this on?
On UN resolutions voting record for example.... ::)
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they do not like Jews or Israel but we have to be frank; Who Does?
what do u have to base this on?
On UN resolutions voting record for example.... ::)
The Vatican does not even vote in the UN.
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they do not like Jews or Israel but we have to be frank; Who Does?
what do u have to base this on?
On UN resolutions voting record for example.... ::)
The Vatican does not even vote in the UN.
But allmost all of the UN is notoriusly voting agianst Israel, the Jewish state become the burden stone for all the nations.
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they do not like Jews or Israel but we have to be frank; Who Does?
what do u have to base this on?
On UN resolutions voting record for example.... ::)
The Vatican does not even vote in the UN.
But allmost all of the UN is notoriusly voting agianst Israel, the Jewish state become the burden stone for all the nations.
That is true. So why did u single out the Vatican? They are just observers at the UN.
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they do not like Jews or Israel but we have to be frank; Who Does?
what do u have to base this on?
On UN resolutions voting record for example.... ::)
The Vatican does not even vote in the UN.
But allmost all of the UN is notoriusly voting agianst Israel, the Jewish state become the burden stone for all the nations.
That is true. So why did u single out the Vatican? They are just observers at the UN.
Me? I puted this to not concentrate or singe out them becouse it's pointless and harming to our couse. It's like bashing the rabbi Yosef. My point was that Vatican don't like Jews just like the rest of the world but not more. the Holy is not working 24h/per day 7d/week to get you. that's paranoid.
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they do not like Jews or Israel but we have to be frank; Who Does?
what do u have to base this on?
On UN resolutions voting record for example.... ::)
The Vatican does not even vote in the UN.
But allmost all of the UN is notoriusly voting agianst Israel, the Jewish state become the burden stone for all the nations.
That is true. So why did u single out the Vatican? They are just observers at the UN.
Me? I puted this to not concentrate or singe out them becouse it's pointless and harming to our couse. It's like bashing the rabbi Yosef. My point was that Vatican don't like Jews just like the rest of the world but not more. the Holy is not working 24h/per day 7d/week to get you. that's paranoid.
I wish the Vatican was stronger on Israel but to say that the Vatican does not like Jews is complete nonsense.
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they do not like Jews or Israel but we have to be frank; Who Does?
what do u have to base this on?
On UN resolutions voting record for example.... ::)
The Vatican does not even vote in the UN.
But allmost all of the UN is notoriusly voting agianst Israel, the Jewish state become the burden stone for all the nations.
That is true. So why did u single out the Vatican? They are just observers at the UN.
Me? I puted this to not concentrate or singe out them becouse it's pointless and harming to our couse. It's like bashing the rabbi Yosef. My point was that Vatican don't like Jews just like the rest of the world but not more. the Holy is not working 24h/per day 7d/week to get you. that's paranoid.
I wish the Vatican was stronger on Israel but to say that the Vatican does not like Jews is complete nonsense.
Come on they coud get rid of this swine Micheal Sabah from the post of latin patriarche after he publicly declared that he don't recognise Israel for start; they're taking a lot about reconcilation with Jews but their actions are at least say lacking... Popes visting sinogues (mosques and pagan temples etc... too) are sign of Vaticans drift towards one world religion not healthy respect towards Judaism.
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no it isn't... you're just afraid of the truth...