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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: artgijo on February 15, 2008, 07:43:05 AM
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Hi All
I am writing this for the betterment of Humanity. USA/Europe is now being democratically eliminated by dirty,low cultured,low IQ people, the arabs,blacks,hispanics and some asian. Soon countries like USA,UK etc will have majority of these people, the whites are ageing and thus the economy is coming down.
Unless there is a cap on this , this dirty population will take over and convert these countries into dirty hell holes, wherever blacks are large in numbers, crime and almost no development.See hispanics, they are better than blacks, but with poor brain, the latin American countries are the best examples. In asia, other than china,India,japan,s.korea,singapore,the rest fall in the category of dirty population, or terrorists.
Some Hitler in the west, USA have to emerge in USA,Europe and align the demographics , else diaster is imminent,
All blacks must, go back to Africa
All Muslims to Middle east, Africa, Asia and other terror countries
It may be vary naive, but something severe is going to happen, so wait and watch for the game, who will make it happen? One day someone will emerge
Regards
GIJO
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I agree 100%.
With a tiny few exceptions America must return to being an overwhelming majority white country. Civilised, middle class, non-criminal blacks welcome.
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Maybe we should kick you out of JTF !
I agree with the Muslim part but not with the idea of kicking out the Hispanics.
There are many righteous Hispanic Jews that support Israel.
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Leave the decent hispanics and the decent blacks alone...
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Once again I agree w/ Dr.Dan.
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Leave the decent hispanics and the decent blacks alone...
They're about 10% of each group.
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America should be overwhelmingly white. I agree with segregation as a start and separate countries later.
I don't want anyone to be harmed or hurt, but I would like blacks to be payed to leave for Africa, and illegal Hispanics deported, and immigration of all non-whites stopped.
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Some Hitler in the west, USA have to emerge in USA,Europe and align the demographics , else diaster is imminent,
Did you really have to use that name though? That was stupid, and ignorant.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVeFVtcdSYY&eurl=http://mitchieville.blogspot.com/2008/02/obama-pbuh-loves-cocaine-gay-oral-sex.html
I didnt understand you you are indian and still you want to kick asians are you a self hating indian?
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Indians belong in India.
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Please remember that there are black (and even Hispanic) Jews. Skin color has nothing to do with it.
Now, kicking out gang-bangers, rappers, and hoodlums.... I'm all for that! I think the vast majority of American would cheer that.
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Indians belong in India.
not those indians who are born in usa as they follow us law ,they get education like other in usa they do all the things that an italian immegrant would do as both of them want to get ahead in lives and not do drug dealings
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Immigration is old hat.
50 years ago with all the red tape and international economic boundaries there may have been a case for immigration. Now days with companies being able to set up factories and branch offices all over the world immigration on a large scale is redundant.
It's bad enough our factories, call centres and jobs go to the third world. Let's not bring the third world to us, TOO.
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Please remember that there are black (and even Hispanic) Jews. Skin color has nothing to do with it.
Now, kicking out gang-bangers, rappers, and hoodlums.... I'm all for that! I think the vast majority of American would cheer that.
Most Jews are not black or Hispanic. That's like saying some blacks have an IQ over 110. While that's a true statement, it's extremely rare.
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Indians belong in India.
not those indians who are born in usa as they follow us law ,they get education like other in usa they do all the things that an italian immegrant would do as both of them want to get ahead in lives and not do drug dealings
I'd rather have a white Italian immigrant. Italy is a first world nation.
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Immigration is old hat.
50 years ago with all the red tape and international economic boundaries there may have been a case for immigration. Now days with companies being able to set up factories and branch offices all over the world immigration on a large scale is redundant.
It's bad enough our factories, call centres and jobs go to the third world. Let's not bring the third world to us, TOO.
Newman, have you seen gumball immigration? It's a great video on Youtube. While it's directed more at an American audience I think it also applies to Australia and other threatened first world areas.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7WJeqxuOfQ
Thanks, but...........
Can't watch.
zootube keeps telling me my javascript is off or my flash is outdated. It was OK a month ago. :(
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Well ok, the best part of the video is that he say we take in one million immigrants a year (a large, nontraditional level of immigration). He drops a gumball into a glass to represent that one million people.
He said that the argument that we should take in third worlders to help them does not work, because even if we take in one million, the third world adds millions more people to their population, so the only way we can help the third world is to help them where they are, not bring them into our nation(s) where they destroy our social fabric.
He pours glasses full of gumballs into a big jar full of gumballs and it spills over, showing that taking in one of those gumballs every year does not help the third world at all.
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Well ok, the best part of the video is that he say we take in one million immigrants a year (a large, nontraditional level of immigration). He drops a gumball into a glass to represent that one million people.
He said that the argument that we should take in third worlders to help them does not work, because even if we take in one million, the third world adds millions more people to their population, so the only way we can help the third world is to help them where they are, not bring them into our nation(s) where they destroy our social fabric.
He pours glasses full of gumballs into a big jar full of gumballs and it spills over, showing that taking in one of those gumballs every year does not help the third world at all.
And he's right.
It's true for giving junkies & degenerate gamblers money.......it does sweet FA.
The same is also true for feeding the third world. Rember the 'Save the Children' campain of 20 years ago? Every child we saved from starvation back then has produced an average of three children who are starving now.
Let's take the big PR hit and allow nature to take it's course. When it does, the population of the third world will go back to sustainable levels that can feed itself with it's traditional village gardens etc.
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Wow this website has some rather disgusting members. I regret being apart of this nonsense.
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Indians belong in India.
You're wrong on this one, as far as immigrants go, I have absolutely no problem with the Indians. I like Indian immigrants, they're representative of the best traditions of American immigrants, they persue higher education, they're industrious and work hard, they contribute value to the country and make for fine citizens.
For this reason, I am also fine with Chinese, Japanese, Australian, New Zealanders, European, Eastern European, Indian, immigrants.
It's the parasitic "immigrants" that we need to concern ourselves with. Turd world bipedal cockroaches, the type that contribute less than zero, make massive demands, contribute nothing and bring crimminality, must go!
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Most of us do not hate people based on race or color (though a few do which is unfortunate, ignorant, hateful, and arrogant since Hashem was the creator of all). This is not the position of JTF.
I think they are referring to the common culture of thugs, drugs, perverts, and thieves among certain groups of people. Chaim has been clear on this. For example, there are black Jews and they are loved like any other Jewish person. We are against how the majority of blacks in the U.S. (more than 9 out of 10) embrace a disgusting culture of crime, hate, murder, materialism, and evil. Prison time is glorified with these types of excrement and it destroys society as a whole.
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Leave the decent hispanics and the decent blacks alone...
They're about 10% of each group.
No Hispanics a ton more than 10%
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Most of us do not hate people based on race or color (though a few do which is unfortunate, ignorant, hateful, and arrogant since Hashem was the creator of all). This is not the position of JTF.
I think they are referring to the common culture of thugs, drugs, perverts, and thieves among certain groups of people. Chaim has been clear on this. For example, there are black Jews and they are loved like any other Jewish person. Or the majority of blacks in the west embrace a disgusting culture of crime, hate, murder, and evil.
This has nothing to do with hate. It's about free associations of ethnically people on the territory they call their own. What is your stand on Israel? What does the Bible say about this? Remember the story of the Tower of Babel?
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The world belongs to everyone. My home and my country do not.
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I'm not sure if you are asking me these questions or where you are going with this. My stand on Israel? I love Israel with every inch of my soul. The traitors in the Holy Land of Israel must be removed. We are commanded to take Israel and build the Temple and we will, G-d willing. The story of the Tower of Babel is a complex story where they were dispersed with different languages.
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Hi All
I am writing this for the betterment of Humanity. USA/Europe is now being democratically eliminated by dirty,low cultured,low IQ people, the arabs,blacks,hispanics and some asian. Soon countries like USA,UK etc will have majority of these people, the whites are ageing and thus the economy is coming down.
Unless there is a cap on this , this dirty population will take over and convert these countries into dirty hell holes, wherever blacks are large in numbers, crime and almost no development.See hispanics, they are better than blacks, but with poor brain, the latin American countries are the best examples. In asia, other than china,India,japan,s.korea,singapore,the rest fall in the category of dirty population, or terrorists.
Some Hitler in the west, USA have to emerge in USA,Europe and align the demographics , else diaster is imminent,
All blacks must, go back to Africa
All Muslims to Middle east, Africa, Asia and other terror countries
It may be vary naive, but something severe is going to happen, so wait and watch for the game, who will make it happen? One day someone will emerge
Regards
GIJO
You are racist, really.
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Some Hitler in the west, USA have to emerge in USA,Europe and align the demographics , else diaster is imminent
How can you possibly wish a hitler in the U.S? Especially on a forum called the Jewish Task Force. You're a racist scumbag.
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Indians belong in India.
not those indians who are born in usa as they follow us law ,they get education like other in usa they do all the things that an italian immegrant would do as both of them want to get ahead in lives and not do drug dealings
I'd rather have a white Italian immigrant. Italy is a first world nation.
so you mean to say educated good natured indians who work in nasa 12percent of scientist in nasa are indians are not welcomed in usa and for you info india is growing day by day by 2050 we will become 2nd largest economy
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As gijo is an indian and English is a second language I think we should give him the benefit of the doubt. His using the name hitler to make an analogy is clumsy but given the language and cultural differences we should cut him some slack.
If he keeps doing it that's another thing.
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Please remember that there are black (and even Hispanic) Jews. Skin color has nothing to do with it.
Now, kicking out gang-bangers, rappers, and hoodlums.... I'm all for that! I think the vast majority of American would cheer that.
Not the rappers ! What about MC Merkeva? What about my new album and rap video :'(
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This nation was founded to give refuge to all People regardless of Ehtical, Religion and Culture...We must not forget this....However Illegal immigrants are not welcome...If you come here you must swear to our way of life as AMERICANS....
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This nation was founded to give refuge to all People regardless of Ehtical, Religion and Culture...We must not forget this....However Illegal immigrants are not welcome...If you come here you must swear to our way of life as AMERICANS....
which 99 percent of asians do
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Believe it or not nowdays when usa popularity is at all time low in the world.India is the most pro usa country in the world 70-80 percent indians love andd support usa and support the war on terror
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I'm cool with India...
However, I'm not a big fan of calling the removal of ALL (insert race or nationality here) from this country specifically.
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The Jewish People have a very difficult time when people start spouting about removing a race of people.....Rememeber our history.....We have been kicked out of almost every nation....The Jewish People will not stand for kicking out LEGAL residents....
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America should :
1) cut down immigration. work on employing native people with jobs
2) deport every illegal immigrant possible.
3) cut down laws like affirmative action that promote people beyond their own merits
4) allow people to segregate naturally. Given the choice, most people chose to be among people of their own kind.
5) minorities should not be so overrepresented politically.
6) as long as minorities control their birthrates and don't demand "equal rights" (which just means special treatment) I don't really have a problem with them.
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I personally think that the USA should:
1. Give housing, food and benefits to all illegal immigrants upon arrival
2. Start implementing a strict code of Sharia law in every state.
3. Promote black people to highly paid jobs simply because they are black
4. Allow me to produce a gangsta rap song and replace the American anthem with it.
5. Redesign the American flag with a picture of a black Mohammed wearing a sombrero.
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This nation was founded to give refuge to all People regardless of Ehtical, Religion and Culture...We must not forget this....However Illegal immigrants are not welcome...If you come here you must swear to our way of life as AMERICANS....
No, America was founded by Puritans who fled from the prosecution in their countries. The idea of the US as a country of immigrants is a relatively recent historical manipulation. You should read some conservative blogs who trace the history of this idea in American politics. It is very educational. For example, Lawrence Auster has written about this numerous times in his blog "View from the Right" - you can google it by this name.
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I'm not sure if you are asking me these questions or where you are going with this. My stand on Israel? I love Israel with every inch of my soul. The traitors in the Holy Land of Israel must be removed. We are commanded to take Israel and build the Temple and we will, G-d willing. The story of the Tower of Babel is a complex story where they were dispersed with different languages.
Shlomo, I will give you my take on this. My opinion does not represent anyone but myself.
I agree with you that Jews are commanded to recapture the Holy Land and make it a Jewish state. But I also believe that the Torah sets the standard for other people. If it is right for Jews to be in possession of their country, it is right for other people as well. I believe that the Bible gives us a strong moral foundation for nationalism. After the flood G-d divided the nations. It pleased him to have different nations in different lands. These nations were formed by the different branches of Noah's sons families. They were related by blood. I think that he looks at the current doctrine of multiculturalism as an abomination.
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so you mean to say educated good natured indians who work in nasa 12percent of scientist in nasa are indians are not welcomed in usa and for you info india is growing day by day by 2050 we will become 2nd largest economy
I like Indians, I really do. I've known quite a few. I am happy for India's economic growth. If they can build a strong, competitive economy - good for them!
I do think, however, that there are too many Indians in the West. Not because they are bad or undesirable or cannot assimilate, but because with such large numbers they are changing the ethnic composition of Western countries. If there were as many people of European descent in India (in proportional terms), Indians would not like it one little bit, I am sure. They would become very concerned. I think that it would be a good idea if most Indians went back and got good jobs in India. Perhaps this will happen in the end, as India becomes an economic powerhouse.
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Without blacks , or hispanics this country will be MUCH MUCH better off
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I personally think that the USA should:
1. Give housing, food and benefits to all illegal immigrants upon arrival
2. Start implementing a strict code of Sharia law in every state.
3. Promote black people to highly paid jobs simply because they are black
4. Allow me to produce a gangsta rap song and replace the American anthem with it.
5. Redesign the American flag with a picture of a black Mohammed wearing a sombrero.
Seriously, I am sick of you and of your unfunny jokes.
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Shoot, can't we keep the pretty Spanish girls here. Man-o-chevitz- love that long straight black hair. :D
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This has nothing to do with hate. It's about free associations of ethnically people on the territory they call their own. What is your stand on Israel? What does the Bible say about this? Remember the story of the Tower of Babel?
True, just because I don't want to live with these people doesn't mean I hate them or want to harm them. I just don't want to live with them.
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The Jewish People have a very difficult time when people start spouting about removing a race of people.....Rememeber our history.....We have been kicked out of almost every nation....The Jewish People will not stand for kicking out LEGAL residents....
Every people should have their own land, their own nation or nations in which to survive and thrive as a people and pursue their own destiny.
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All blacks who are legal citizens should be offered compensation to leave this country and go back to Africa. All Muzzies need to be thrown out immediately and Islam needs to be banned as a hate group in this country. All illegals need to be thrown out as well. These are my positions.
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All blacks who are legal citizens should be offered compensation to leave this country and go back to Africa. All Muzzies need to be thrown out immediately and Islam needs to be banned as a hate group in this country. All illegals need to be thrown out as well. These are my positions.
Very realistic demands.
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Maybe we should kick you out of JTF !
I agree with the Muslim part but not with the idea of kicking out the Hispanics.
There are many righteous Hispanic Jews that support Israel.
There are no Hispanics because it is a false term and if there were Hispanics, Jews would not be Hispanic because we are Jews, just like Jews from Arab countries are not Arabs.
Hispanic isnt a false term.
And how exactly are Jews from Arab countries not Arabs? What are you saying? There are many Jews of Arab ancestry.
There are Arab jews. Plenty of them.
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Can we just call the mestizos hispanics? And the amerindians just ameridians.
And whites from Latin America just white.
I don't now, that's how I always see it.
Well don't ask me, but for some reason in this country as far as job applications, census, etc. they all want to lump us all into one group. Racially all 'Latinos' are very different. Argentina is mostly white, Brazil is mostly mixed, Dominican Republic is mixed, Guatemala still has the majority of indigenous population, etc. I think it's just comfortable for the U.S gov't to label all of us 'Hispanic' and save the hassle.
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Can we just call the mestizos hispanics? And the amerindians just ameridians.
And whites from Latin America just white.
I don't now, that's how I always see it.
Well don't ask me, but for some reason in this country as far as job applications, census, etc. they all want to lump us all into one group. Racially all 'Latinos' are very different. Argentina is mostly white, Brazil is mostly mixed, Dominican Republic is mixed, Guatemala still has the majority of indigenous population, etc. I think it's just comfortable for the U.S gov't to label all of us 'Hispanic' and save the hassle.
That's true.
They go crazy when they see a "white hispanic" and don't know what to do. LOL, it's kind of funny. I see people who are blond and blue eyed and when they say they're from a Latin American country, it's almost as if people go crazy.
And I was checking some government statistic and found that they do take into consideration the term "white hispanic".
It all confuses the heck out of me :'(
lmao I hear ya. And then to make it even more confusing, in Europe Latinos are referred to people of Spain, Italy, Portugal, etc. So when they come here for a job they identify themselves as Latino :laugh: All the more confusion lol.
But you know what, maybe the white hispanics will be considered white by the government in a few years. Remember, Italians nor Irish were considered white until many years after their immigration wave.
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People that come here to America by legal means and try to be good citizens should be accepted as Americans. The government should set strict quotas and enforce them so society does not become on sided and the different groups will not feel they are being overwhelmed by any of the others.
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Maybe we should kick you out of JTF !
I agree with the Muslim part but not with the idea of kicking out the Hispanics.
There are many righteous Hispanic Jews that support Israel.
There are no Hispanics because it is a false term and if there were Hispanics, Jews would not be Hispanic because we are Jews, just like Jews from Arab countries are not Arabs.
Hispanic isnt a false term.
And how exactly are Jews from Arab countries not Arabs? What are you saying? There are many Jews of Arab ancestry.
There are Arab jews. Plenty of them.
You are a racist Nazi. There are no Arab Jews unless Arabs converted to Judaism. How many Arabs do you think converted?
Arab is a nation just like Jewish is. Arabs are from Yishmael. Jews are from Isaac and Jacob/Yisrael.
What the hell are you talking about? Accusing me of being racist, stop acting like an idiot.
So are you trying to tell me, these Jews (Yemenite):
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/56/Op_Magic_Carpet_%28Yemenites%29.jpg)
aren't arabs? :D You're nuts.
So are you seriously telling me that those Jews pictured are the same race as European Jews? Or Iranian Jews for that fact?
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Maybe we should kick you out of JTF !
I agree with the Muslim part but not with the idea of kicking out the Hispanics.
There are many righteous Hispanic Jews that support Israel.
There are no Hispanics because it is a false term and if there were Hispanics, Jews would not be Hispanic because we are Jews, just like Jews from Arab countries are not Arabs.
Hispanic isnt a false term.
And how exactly are Jews from Arab countries not Arabs? What are you saying? There are many Jews of Arab ancestry.
There are Arab jews. Plenty of them.
Ask any sephardic or mizrahi Jew, they do NOT consider themselves Arabs, and they never have. Because they are not Arabs; they are Jews. The Jews were in those lands long before the Arabs came with their little korans and swords. Those who remained Jews (if they weren't killed or forced to convert) stayed in insular populations and wanted nothing to do with the barbaric, ruthless, and morally inferior culture surrounding them.
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Those are Yemenite Jews, not Arabs. The Yemenite Jews can legitimately trace their communities back to the destruction of either the first or second temple, I forget which. But the destruction was the time (and reason) that they originally landed in Yemen.
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Maybe we should kick you out of JTF !
I agree with the Muslim part but not with the idea of kicking out the Hispanics.
There are many righteous Hispanic Jews that support Israel.
There are no Hispanics because it is a false term and if there were Hispanics, Jews would not be Hispanic because we are Jews, just like Jews from Arab countries are not Arabs.
Hispanic isnt a false term.
And how exactly are Jews from Arab countries not Arabs? What are you saying? There are many Jews of Arab ancestry.
There are Arab jews. Plenty of them.
Ask any Sefardic or mizrahi Jew, they do NOT consider themselves Arabs, and they never have. Because they are not Arabs; they are Jews. The Jews were in those lands long before the Arabs came with their little korans and swords. Those who remained Jews (if they weren't killed or forced to convert) stayed in insular populations and wanted nothing to do with the barbaric, ruthless, and morally inferior culture surrounding them.
The Israeli ones don't consider themselves Arabs. The term Arab Jew is never used in Israel. There was a documentary I saw recently of the last remaining Iraqi Jew, he is Arab and calls himself that. When he visited his family in Israel they never referred to themselves as Arabs. It's obvious that this is a cultural phenomenon. In Israel they consider all Jews who are not Ashkenazi, Sefardic, which is of course incorrect.
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Maybe we should kick you out of JTF !
I agree with the Muslim part but not with the idea of kicking out the Hispanics.
There are many righteous Hispanic Jews that support Israel.
There are no Hispanics because it is a false term and if there were Hispanics, Jews would not be Hispanic because we are Jews, just like Jews from Arab countries are not Arabs.
Hispanic isnt a false term.
And how exactly are Jews from Arab countries not Arabs? What are you saying? There are many Jews of Arab ancestry.
There are Arab jews. Plenty of them.
Ask any Sefardic or mizrahi Jew, they do NOT consider themselves Arabs, and they never have. Because they are not Arabs; they are Jews. The Jews were in those lands long before the Arabs came with their little korans and swords. Those who remained Jews (if they weren't killed or forced to convert) stayed in insular populations and wanted nothing to do with the barbaric, ruthless, and morally inferior culture surrounding them.
Actually, this is incorrect. DNA studies show that Sefardic and mizrachi Jews mixed heavily with their surrounding populations, even more than Ashkenazi Jews mixed with their surrounding populations. The reason why oriental Jews from those areas look so similar to the arabs, or Yemenites from those areas is because they share a substantial amount of genetic material. This doesn't mean that they are arab per se, but they certainly are PART arab, looking at it in terms of genetics. It shouldn't be more controversial to say this than to say that Ashkenazi Jews have PART European blood, especially since Jews from arab areas have a relative higher percentage of "foreign" blood in them.
Just look at any Iraqi or Morrocan Jew. They probably look more similar to Iraqis and Morrocans than they do to Ashkenasi Jews.
What 1986 said is partially correct, I wouldn't call them "arab Jews" or "arabs" but they are certainly significantly arab as far as their genetics go.
He's also right that part of the reason why they don't call themselves arabs in Israel is because of the unique cultural experience they've had there.
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Those are Yemenite Jews, not Arabs. The Yemenite Jews can legitimately trace their communities back to the destruction of either the first or second temple, I forget which. But the destruction was the time (and reason) that they originally landed in Yemen.
1st Temple.
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Btw I love the picture. The Taymanim suffered through and endured so much horror. There are still some Jews in Yemen today, I wish they would get to Israel because they are being discriminated and abused by the Arab Muslim Nazis there. There is a ban on emigration officially although I think a couple hundred managed to get to Israel in recent years.
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Maybe we should kick you out of JTF !
I agree with the Muslim part but not with the idea of kicking out the Hispanics.
There are many righteous Hispanic Jews that support Israel.
There are no Hispanics because it is a false term and if there were Hispanics, Jews would not be Hispanic because we are Jews, just like Jews from Arab countries are not Arabs.
Hispanic isnt a false term.
And how exactly are Jews from Arab countries not Arabs? What are you saying? There are many Jews of Arab ancestry.
There are Arab jews. Plenty of them.
Ask any Sefardic or mizrahi Jew, they do NOT consider themselves Arabs, and they never have. Because they are not Arabs; they are Jews. The Jews were in those lands long before the Arabs came with their little korans and swords. Those who remained Jews (if they weren't killed or forced to convert) stayed in insular populations and wanted nothing to do with the barbaric, ruthless, and morally inferior culture surrounding them.
Actually, this is incorrect. DNA studies show that Sefardic and mizrachi Jews mixed heavily with their surrounding populations, even more than Ashkenazi Jews mixed with their surrounding populations. The reason why oriental Jews from those areas look so similar to the arabs, or Yemenites from those areas is because they share a substantial amount of genetic material. This doesn't mean that they are arab per se, but they certainly are PART arab, looking at it in terms of genetics. It shouldn't be more controversial to say this than to say that Ashkenazi Jews have PART European blood, especially since Jews from arab areas have a relative higher percentage of "foreign" blood in them.
Just look at any Iraqi or Morrocan Jew. They probably look more similar to Iraqis and Morrocans than they do to Ashkenasi Jews.
What 1986 said is partially correct, I wouldn't call them "arab Jews" or "arabs" but they are certainly significantly arab as far as their genetics go.
Yes but some genetic mixing occurs in every Jewish population. Some of the original Sefaradim who landed in Spain after the churban, some went to Netherlands, Amsterdam, and New York after that, others went to Turkey, Morocco. All the groups of Jews who end up in new areas end up looking similar to their populations and there is a fair share of intermarriage, conversions, etc. But that in no way makes a Jew an Arab, or a Jew a Dutchman. Jews are Jews.
Also, despite what genetic studies claim, it is well known that the Jewish communities living in Arab lands generally were very insular. The genetic similarity can be related to the fact that both Jews and Arabs descend from Abraham. But we define our nation by our souls, not "genetic material" or skin color.
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Maybe we should kick you out of JTF !
I agree with the Muslim part but not with the idea of kicking out the Hispanics.
There are many righteous Hispanic Jews that support Israel.
There are no Hispanics because it is a false term and if there were Hispanics, Jews would not be Hispanic because we are Jews, just like Jews from Arab countries are not Arabs.
Hispanic isnt a false term.
And how exactly are Jews from Arab countries not Arabs? What are you saying? There are many Jews of Arab ancestry.
There are Arab jews. Plenty of them.
Ask any Sefardic or mizrahi Jew, they do NOT consider themselves Arabs, and they never have. Because they are not Arabs; they are Jews. The Jews were in those lands long before the Arabs came with their little korans and swords. Those who remained Jews (if they weren't killed or forced to convert) stayed in insular populations and wanted nothing to do with the barbaric, ruthless, and morally inferior culture surrounding them.
Actually, this is incorrect. DNA studies show that Sefardic and mizrachi Jews mixed heavily with their surrounding populations, even more than Ashkenazi Jews mixed with their surrounding populations. The reason why oriental Jews from those areas look so similar to the arabs, or Yemenites from those areas is because they share a substantial amount of genetic material. This doesn't mean that they are arab per se, but they certainly are PART arab, looking at it in terms of genetics. It shouldn't be more controversial to say this than to say that Ashkenazi Jews have PART European blood, especially since Jews from arab areas have a relative higher percentage of "foreign" blood in them.
Just look at any Iraqi or Morrocan Jew. They probably look more similar to Iraqis and Morrocans than they do to Ashkenasi Jews.
What 1986 said is partially correct, I wouldn't call them "arab Jews" or "arabs" but they are certainly significantly arab as far as their genetics go.
He's also right that part of the reason why they don't call themselves arabs in Israel is because of the unique cultural experience they've had there.
Disagree. Mizrahi/Sefardi Jews assimilated rarly with their sorroundings. Hazal tell us that of all nations, Ishmael (the arabs) have the least merit to convert, very very very few have done so throughtout history, becuase they dont have the merit to. The reason why maybe their are genetic similarities is because both originate in the middle east, and the arabs are physically descendents from Avraham Alav Hashalom.
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Often times in the past, Arab Muslim Nazis would rape Jewish women and then steal the babies and give to Muslim parents to raise them as Muslim. Rabbi Kahane was a leading activist trying to save Jewish Israel women who were kidnapped or who married Arabs and then had this occur to them once they entered the Muslim Nazi community.
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Maybe we should kick you out of JTF !
I agree with the Muslim part but not with the idea of kicking out the Hispanics.
There are many righteous Hispanic Jews that support Israel.
There are no Hispanics because it is a false term and if there were Hispanics, Jews would not be Hispanic because we are Jews, just like Jews from Arab countries are not Arabs.
Hispanic isn't a false term.
And how exactly are Jews from Arab countries not Arabs? What are you saying? There are many Jews of Arab ancestry.
There are Arab Jews. Plenty of them.
Ask any Sefardic or mizrahi Jew, they do NOT consider themselves Arabs, and they never have. Because they are not Arabs; they are Jews. The Jews were in those lands long before the Arabs came with their little Korans and swords. Those who remained Jews (if they weren't killed or forced to convert) stayed in insular populations and wanted nothing to do with the barbaric, ruthless, and morally inferior culture surrounding them.
Actually, this is incorrect. DNA studies show that Sefardic and mizrachi Jews mixed heavily with their surrounding populations, even more than Ashkenazi Jews mixed with their surrounding populations. The reason why oriental Jews from those areas look so similar to the Arabs, or Yemenites from those areas is because they share a substantial amount of genetic material. This doesn't mean that they are Arab per se, but they certainly are PART Arab, looking at it in terms of genetics. It shouldn't be more controversial to say this than to say that Ashkenazi Jews have PART European blood, especially since Jews from Arab areas have a relative higher percentage of "foreign" blood in them.
Just look at any Iraqi or Moroccan Jew. They probably look more similar to Iraqis and Moroccans than they do to Ashkenazi Jews.
What 1986 said is partially correct, I wouldn't call them "Arab Jews" or "Arabs" but they are certainly significantly Arab as far as their genetics go.
He's also right that part of the reason why they don't call themselves Arabs in Israel is because of the unique cultural experience they've had there.
Arab blood doesn't make someone an Arab. If their mother is Jewish, they are a Jew because Judaism is a people, not a race. And most of the Arab blood that they might be is most likely from rape because who would want to marry an Arab Muslim Nazi? And giving their violent tendencies, it would makes sense that they would rape Jewish women.
Plenty of Jewish women want to marry Arab Muslim Nazis. There are hundreds, possibly thousands who marry them every year, and this is in Israel where Jews and arabs are enemies. It was probably more frequent in the past in arab countries where Jews and arabs were not as divided and hostile to each other.
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Yacov I agree with you 100%. Their is no such thing as "Jewish Arabs." Jews who come from arab countries are simply that, jews from arab countries. Just because they are dark means nothing. These people possess none of the arab traits like being farshtunken, having soiled gatkes and just being smelly nazis with body odor and their genitals mutilated.
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Maybe we should kick you out of JTF !
I agree with the Muslim part but not with the idea of kicking out the Hispanics.
There are many righteous Hispanic Jews that support Israel.
There are no Hispanics because it is a false term and if there were Hispanics, Jews would not be Hispanic because we are Jews, just like Jews from Arab countries are not Arabs.
Hispanic isnt a false term.
And how exactly are Jews from Arab countries not Arabs? What are you saying? There are many Jews of Arab ancestry.
There are Arab jews. Plenty of them.
Ask any Sefardic or mizrahi Jew, they do NOT consider themselves Arabs, and they never have. Because they are not Arabs; they are Jews. The Jews were in those lands long before the Arabs came with their little korans and swords. Those who remained Jews (if they weren't killed or forced to convert) stayed in insular populations and wanted nothing to do with the barbaric, ruthless, and morally inferior culture surrounding them.
Actually, this is incorrect. DNA studies show that Sefardic and mizrachi Jews mixed heavily with their surrounding populations, even more than Ashkenazi Jews mixed with their surrounding populations. The reason why oriental Jews from those areas look so similar to the arabs, or Yemenites from those areas is because they share a substantial amount of genetic material. This doesn't mean that they are arab per se, but they certainly are PART arab, looking at it in terms of genetics. It shouldn't be more controversial to say this than to say that Ashkenazi Jews have PART European blood, especially since Jews from arab areas have a relative higher percentage of "foreign" blood in them.
Just look at any Iraqi or Morrocan Jew. They probably look more similar to Iraqis and Morrocans than they do to Ashkenasi Jews.
What 1986 said is partially correct, I wouldn't call them "arab Jews" or "arabs" but they are certainly significantly arab as far as their genetics go.
He's also right that part of the reason why they don't call themselves arabs in Israel is because of the unique cultural experience they've had there.
That's what I'm pointing at. The genetic similarities are quite amazing. Take a former Kahanist, Nati Ozeri, R.I.P.
(http://www.israel.org/NR/rdonlyres/01912DB4-C6A9-4EE1-BEA4-C62DE2EEE2F1/0/MFAJ0bth0.jpg)
(http://www.hameir.org/giborim/images/ozeri1.jpg)
It's obvious that the genetic make up is very similar if not the same among some of them.
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Maybe we should kick you out of JTF !
I agree with the Muslim part but not with the idea of kicking out the Hispanics.
There are many righteous Hispanic Jews that support Israel.
There are no Hispanics because it is a false term and if there were Hispanics, Jews would not be Hispanic because we are Jews, just like Jews from Arab countries are not Arabs.
Hispanic isn't a false term.
And how exactly are Jews from Arab countries not Arabs? What are you saying? There are many Jews of Arab ancestry.
There are Arab Jews. Plenty of them.
Ask any Sefardic or mizrahi Jew, they do NOT consider themselves Arabs, and they never have. Because they are not Arabs; they are Jews. The Jews were in those lands long before the Arabs came with their little Korans and swords. Those who remained Jews (if they weren't killed or forced to convert) stayed in insular populations and wanted nothing to do with the barbaric, ruthless, and morally inferior culture surrounding them.
Actually, this is incorrect. DNA studies show that Sefardic and mizrachi Jews mixed heavily with their surrounding populations, even more than Ashkenazi Jews mixed with their surrounding populations. The reason why oriental Jews from those areas look so similar to the Arabs, or Yemenites from those areas is because they share a substantial amount of genetic material. This doesn't mean that they are Arab per se, but they certainly are PART Arab, looking at it in terms of genetics. It shouldn't be more controversial to say this than to say that Ashkenazi Jews have PART European blood, especially since Jews from Arab areas have a relative higher percentage of "foreign" blood in them.
Just look at any Iraqi or Moroccan Jew. They probably look more similar to Iraqis and Moroccans than they do to Ashkenazi Jews.
What 1986 said is partially correct, I wouldn't call them "Arab Jews" or "Arabs" but they are certainly significantly Arab as far as their genetics go.
He's also right that part of the reason why they don't call themselves Arabs in Israel is because of the unique cultural experience they've had there.
Arab blood doesn't make someone an Arab. If their mother is Jewish, they are a Jew because Judaism is a people, not a race. And most of the Arab blood that they might be is most likely from rape because who would want to marry an Arab Muslim Nazi? And giving their violent tendencies, it would makes sense that they would rape Jewish women.
Plenty of Jewish women want to marry Arab Muslim Nazis. There are hundreds, possibly thousands who marry them every year, and this is in Israel where Jews and arabs are enemies. It was probably more frequent in the past in arab countries where Jews and arabs were not as divided and hostile to each other.
This is wrong on several accounts. First of all, it is a MYTH that Arabs were tolerant of Jews in Arab Muslim Nazi lands. Just read Rambam's Iggeres Teiman for a small taste of the truth in that matter. Secondly, the Jewish populations in Arab Muslim Nazi lands were HIGHLY religious and faithful people and would not intermarry at NEARLY the rate of intermarriage existent today in Israel or among other non-observant populations. The Sephardim and Mizrahim taken in as refugees were indoctrinated by the fascist labor zionists to throw away their religion. The ashkenazic non-observant or secular Jewish women of Israel can also fall into this category of willingness to marry Arabs.
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The intermarriage rate is an inverse correlation with the religious observance level. It has nothing to do with "tolerance" or friendliness or enmity. It is against our religion to intermarry.
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1986, all you did was show another picture of probably a Yemenite Jew. You already showed us a picture of a plane-ful of them. Your arguments were refuted. You should read the posts.
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The intermarriage rate is an inverse correlation with the religious observance level. It has nothing to do with "tolerance" or friendliness or enmity. It is against our religion to intermarry.
But there aren't civil marriages in Israel right? So how do they marry? I guess they make a Jewish woman convert to Islam?
1986, all you did was show another picture of probably a Yemenite Jew. You already showed us a picture of a plane-ful of them. Your arguments were refuted. You should read the posts.
Was Nati a yemenite Jew?
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The problem with hispanics is not their race but their cultural affiliation. They HATE the gringo, they HATE the anglo, they HATE the Jew, they HATE the American. Therefore they must go.
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The intermarriage rate is an inverse correlation with the religious observance level. It has nothing to do with "tolerance" or friendliness or enmity. It is against our religion to intermarry.
But there aren't civil marriages in Israel right? So how do they marry? I guess they make a Jewish woman convert to Islam?
1986, all you did was show another picture of probably a Yemenite Jew. You already showed us a picture of a plane-ful of them. Your arguments were refuted. You should read the posts.
Was Nati a yemenite Jew?
I was talking about intermarriage rates among Jews in general. I don't know how Jewish women in Israel marry Arabs, chas veshalom, but it should stop.
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The problem with hispanics is not their race but their cultural affiliation. They HATE the gringo, they HATE the anglo, they HATE the Jew, they HATE the American. Therefore they must go.
So I guess me, my family, and friends are the exception among Latinos? :::D
Stop with your bigotry. I don't hate any anglos, jews, or Americans, I am American. I used to be a Shabbos goy for two families who lived above me at my old building. According to your logic, me as Latino, I must of been a Shabbos goy who hated Jews :::D
Try harder next time.
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The problem with hispanics is not their race but their cultural affiliation. They HATE the gringo, they HATE the anglo, they HATE the Jew, they HATE the American. Therefore they must go.
So I guess me, my family, and friends are the exception among Latinos? :::D
Yes, you are an exception. Just as Allan Keyes is an exception to standard blacks.
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The problem with hispanics is not their race but their cultural affiliation. They HATE the gringo, they HATE the anglo, they HATE the Jew, they HATE the American. Therefore they must go.
So I guess me, my family, and friends are the exception among Latinos? :::D
Stop with your bigotry. I don't hate any anglos, jews, or Americans, I am American. I used to be a Shabbos goy for two families who lived above me at my old building. According to your logic, me as Latino, I must of been a Shabbos goy who hated Jews :::D
Try harder next time.
1986, nobody is saying that all Hispanics are bad. To deny that the illegal immigrant Hispanics that sneak in here are destroying this country is being delusional. We have members of this forum who are hispanic and good people. It's just that so many of the hispanics that come here are criminals and give the hard working, moral hispanics a bad name.
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Newman is exactly right. When you have a group of people like the shvartzes, are you going to say that they are good people if we happen to find a good shvartza every once in awhile? The fact that Hispanics demand everything in spanish even though our language is english is disgusting.
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Newman is exactly right. When you have a group of people like the shvartzes, are you going to say that they are good people if we happen to find a good shvartza every once in awhile? The fact that Hispanics demand everything in spanish even though our language is english is disgusting.
So according to you, this Yiddish bus stop sign would be banned as well along with the Spanish ones:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bf/KJ_bus_stop_sign.jpg)
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The problem with hispanics is not their race but their cultural affiliation. They HATE the gringo, they HATE the anglo, they HATE the Jew, they HATE the American. Therefore they must go.
So I guess me, my family, and friends are the exception among Latinos? :::D
Stop with your bigotry. I don't hate any anglos, jews, or Americans, I am American. I used to be a Shabbos goy for two families who lived above me at my old building. According to your logic, me as Latino, I must of been a Shabbos goy who hated Jews :::D
Try harder next time.
In my opinion, Mexicans, illegal Mexicans, give "latino" people a bad rap. Most hispanic/latino people may be righteous.
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Newman is exactly right. When you have a group of people like the shvartzes, are you going to say that they are good people if we happen to find a good shvartza every once in awhile? The fact that Hispanics demand everything in spanish even though our language is english is disgusting.
So according to you, this Yiddish bus stop sign would be banned as well along with the Spanish ones:
There is no comparison.
1/Jews do not DEMAND yiddish language services.
2/ When was the last time state or federal government call centers had yiddish on the phone menu?
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1986, I happen to thing that Satmar should be outlawed and that sign should be torn down. As Chaim has said numerous times, satmar is a viscous, hateful cult who wish to see Israel destroyed. So that sign should be banned and satmar are evil.
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Newman is exactly right. When you have a group of people like the shvartzes, are you going to say that they are good people if we happen to find a good shvartza every once in awhile? The fact that Hispanics demand everything in spanish even though our language is english is disgusting.
So according to you, this Yiddish bus stop sign would be banned as well along with the Spanish ones:
There is no comparison.
1/Jews do not DEMAND yiddish language services.
2/ When was the last time state or federal government call centers had yiddish on the phone menu?
How can you say there is no comparison? That's a Yiddish bus sign, as there are Spanish ones.
No demand for it? How do you think it got up there in the first place? You think a gentile just thought to himself, let me make this sign in Yiddish for our Jewish neighbors. I'm pretty sure it got there because someone requested it.
Just like Latinos request things in Spanish. However, there are more Latinos, so obviously you'll see more things in Spanish. But they are the same!
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The Satmar run their own little village. They probably hired a Mexican to put that sign up. I don't think they needed permission. They are like a semi-autonomous zone...
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1986, I happen to thing that Satmar should be outlawed and that sign should be torn down. As Chaim has said numerous times, satmar is a viscous, hateful cult who wish to see Israel destroyed. So that sign should be banned and satmar are evil.
Ohhhh, these are the Jews that always show up on tv opposing Israel?
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1986, I happen to thing that Satmar should be outlawed and that sign should be torn down. As Chaim has said numerous times, satmar is a viscous, hateful cult who wish to see Israel destroyed. So that sign should be banned and satmar are evil.
Ohhhh, these are the Jews that always show up on tv opposing Israel?
Well the group you see is the Neturei Karta. All of Satmar agrees with them. Rabbi Yoel Teitelbaum was a hater of Israel and wished for its destruction.
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1986, I happen to thing that Satmar should be outlawed and that sign should be torn down. As Chaim has said numerous times, satmar is a viscous, hateful cult who wish to see Israel destroyed. So that sign should be banned and satmar are evil.
Ohhhh, these are the Jews that always show up on tv opposing Israel?
Well the group you see is the Neturei Karta. All of Satmar agrees with them. Rabbi Yoel Teitelbaum was a hater of Israel and wished for its destruction.
Actually, there was a falling out with naturei Karta among Satmar because of their little Iran holocaust denial charade. So the Satmar rebbe's announced their dislike for Naturei Karta, and all the Satmar thereafter agreed they are not aligned with NK and hate them. But still the Satmar are against the state of Israel. But I think they disagree with NK along the lines that they do not wish to see the Jews in Israel be killed by Arab or Persian enemies, and they certainly don't want to deny the holocaust that they themselves were victims of. This is what I could interpret from my lone experience in asking a Satmar chassid about this issue.
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1986, I happen to thing that Satmar should be outlawed and that sign should be torn down. As Chaim has said numerous times, satmar is a viscous, hateful cult who wish to see Israel destroyed. So that sign should be banned and satmar are evil.
Ohhhh, these are the Jews that always show up on tv opposing Israel?
Well the group you see is the Neturei Karta. All of Satmar agrees with them. Rabbi Yoel Teitelbaum was a hater of Israel and wished for its destruction.
Actually, there was a falling out with naturei Karta among Satmar because of their little Iran holocaust denial charade. So the Satmar rebbe's announced their dislike for Naturei Karta, and all the Satmar thereafter agreed they are not aligned with NK and hate them. But still the Satmar are against the state of Israel. But I think they disagree with NK along the lines that they do not wish to see the Jews in Israel be killed by Arab or Persian enemies, and they certainly don't want to deny the holocaust that they themselves were victims of. This is what I could interpret from my lone experience in asking a Satmar chassid about this issue.
I agree with you here KahaneBT. I don't think Satmar as a whole denies the Holocaust but their are members of Satmar who are in the NK. I do agree that their are differences between the groups and the average Satmar won't go dancing around as Israeli day parades with a fakestinian flag like the NK will. I still think Satmar is disgusting and just cause they are not as bad as the nk doesn't mean they are not bad.
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There is no comparison.
1/Jews do not DEMAND yiddish language services.
2/ When was the last time state or federal government call centers had yiddish on the phone menu?
How can you say there is no comparison? That's a Yiddish bus sign, as there are Spanish ones.
No demand for it? How do you think it got up there in the first place? You think a gentile just thought to himself, let me make this sign in Yiddish for our Jewish neighbors. I'm pretty sure it got there because someone requested it.
Just like Latinos request things in Spanish. However, there are more Latinos, so obviously you'll see more things in Spanish. But they are the same!
Are you even connected to the concepts of proportionality and logic?
You are trying to suggest that there is some parity between...........
1/ A tiny sub-group within an already tiny minority (who entered the USA legally!) quietly and respectfully putting up signs in their own tiny enclave ONLY
and......
2/ A lumping mass of foreigners (many in the USA ILLEGALLY) yelling and shouting and DEMANDING a foreign language across the entire country!
That's no comparison at all. You might as well compare 1 Jewish boy returning his library book late with 5,000 blacks rioting and looting in Crown Heights!!
Are you the mexi version of al sharpton?
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In my opinion, Mexicans, illegal Mexicans, give "latino" people a bad rap. Most hispanic/latino people may be righteous.
Do you think all Mexicans give hispanics a bad image?
Do you think there are also some (albeit few) righteous Mexicans?
Not that I disagree with you, but I'm curious because I don't think all 100% of Mexicans are bad.
Well of course. But it's the righteous Mexicans in Mexico that are laughing at us as their criminal elements and impoverished Mexicans sneak over our borders and join gangs in the US rather than in Mexico.
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1986, I happen to thing that Satmar should be outlawed and that sign should be torn down. As Chaim has said numerous times, satmar is a viscous, hateful cult who wish to see Israel destroyed. So that sign should be banned and satmar are evil.
Ohhhh, these are the Jews that always show up on tv opposing Israel?
Well the group you see is the Neturei Karta. All of Satmar agrees with them. Rabbi Yoel Teitelbaum was a hater of Israel and wished for its destruction.
Actually, there was a falling out with naturei Karta among Satmar because of their little Iran holocaust denial charade. So the Satmar rebbe's announced their dislike for Naturei Karta, and all the Satmar thereafter agreed they are not aligned with NK and hate them. But still the Satmar are against the state of Israel. But I think they disagree with NK along the lines that they do not wish to see the Jews in Israel be killed by Arab or Persian enemies, and they certainly don't want to deny the holocaust that they themselves were victims of. This is what I could interpret from my lone experience in asking a Satmar chassid about this issue.
I agree with you here KahaneBT. I don't think Satmar as a whole denies the Holocaust but their are members of Satmar who are in the NK. I do agree that their are differences between the groups and the average Satmar won't go dancing around as Israeli day parades with a fakestinian flag like the NK will. I still think Satmar is disgusting and just cause they are not as bad as the nk doesn't mean they are not bad.
I disagree strongly with Satmar, especially about Israel, and I think they are leeching off the US govt which is a big chillul Hashem. I can tell you that most people Jew and non-Jew that live around Monroe area where Kiryas Yoel is, most people resent the Satmars. Most of it is prejudice and bigotry, but part of it is that K Yoel is perceived as a shady establishment, and they certainly aren't doing much to discourage that view.
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nobody is saying that all Hispanics are bad.
I know, but sometimes it sounds like people mean to say "all", they might misunderstand it I guess.
Nobody is saying "all" but then people can say "most" are "bad" instead.
When someone says "The Problem with" "Hispanics this...." "Asians are that" "they hate this"
it's like saying all of them.
That's why when I say something like that, I say "Most Hispanics are pro-amnesty" obviously there is a minority (very-very small minority) who are anti-Amnesty like Latinos for America (I forgot their name).
Yes Most hispanics are actually from illegal backgrounds and pro-illegal immigration and I oppose them.
And most blacks are anti-Israel (I met a black group once who said they will always support Israel because they are bible believing Christians)
Just some examples.
Don't worry 1986, most people in the forum, when they say something about Hispanics, they don't mean ALL, I agree with DownwithIslam, he's correct.
I see what you mean Mills. I'll keep that in mind when I read those kind of posts.
There is no comparison.
1/Jews do not DEMAND yiddish language services.
2/ When was the last time state or federal government call centers had yiddish on the phone menu?
How can you say there is no comparison? That's a Yiddish bus sign, as there are Spanish ones.
No demand for it? How do you think it got up there in the first place? You think a gentile just thought to himself, let me make this sign in Yiddish for our Jewish neighbors. I'm pretty sure it got there because someone requested it.
Just like Latinos request things in Spanish. However, there are more Latinos, so obviously you'll see more things in Spanish. But they are the same!
Are you even connected to the concepts of proportionality and logic?
You are trying to suggest that there is some parity between...........
1/ A tiny sub-group within an already tiny minority (who entered the USA legally!) quietly and respectfully putting up signs in their own tiny enclave ONLY
and......
2/ A lumping mass of foreigners (many in the USA ILLEGALLY) yelling and shouting and DEMANDING a foreign language across the entire country!
That's no comparison at all. You might as well compare 1 Jewish boy returning his library book late with 5,000 blacks rioting and looting in Crown Heights!!
Are you the mexi version of al sharpton?
I'm not even Mexican. Stop with the ridiculous insults. If you're not going to contribute to the thread please don't even bother
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1986, I happen to thing that Satmar should be outlawed and that sign should be torn down. As Chaim has said numerous times, satmar is a viscous, hateful cult who wish to see Israel destroyed. So that sign should be banned and satmar are evil.
Ohhhh, these are the Jews that always show up on tv opposing Israel?
Well the group you see is the Neturei Karta. All of Satmar agrees with them. Rabbi Yoel Teitelbaum was a hater of Israel and wished for its destruction.
Actually, there was a falling out with naturei Karta among Satmar because of their little Iran holocaust denial charade. So the Satmar rebbe's announced their dislike for Naturei Karta, and all the Satmar thereafter agreed they are not aligned with NK and hate them. But still the Satmar are against the state of Israel. But I think they disagree with NK along the lines that they do not wish to see the Jews in Israel be killed by Arab or Persian enemies, and they certainly don't want to deny the holocaust that they themselves were victims of. This is what I could interpret from my lone experience in asking a Satmar chassid about this issue.
I agree with you here KahaneBT. I don't think Satmar as a whole denies the Holocaust but their are members of Satmar who are in the NK. I do agree that their are differences between the groups and the average Satmar won't go dancing around as Israeli day parades with a fakestinian flag like the NK will. I still think Satmar is disgusting and just cause they are not as bad as the nk doesn't mean they are not bad.
I disagree strongly with Satmar, especially about Israel, and I think they are leeching off the US govt which is a big chillul Hashem. I can tell you that most people Jew and non-Jew that live around Monroe area where Kiryas Yoel is, most people resent the Satmars. Most of it is prejudice and bigotry, but part of it is that K Yoel is perceived as a shady establishment, and they certainly aren't doing much to discourage that view.
Kiryas Yoel and Satmar are vile. Chaim once talked abou how when he and rabbi Kahane used to be guests on radio shows and such, Satmars used to call into the shows with vile, hateful and anti israel comments which were a huge embarrassment to judaism.
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nobody is saying that all Hispanics are bad.
I know, but sometimes it sounds like people mean to say "all", they might misunderstand it I guess.
Nobody is saying "all" but then people can say "most" are "bad" instead.
A CONSERVATIVE TAKE ON GENERALISING:
It should be taken for granted that a statement beginning with.."Blacks are......" or "Arabs are......" or "Mexicans are......" is going to refer to the majority of them in general terms and not every, single one on the Planet.
Saying "group x are..........." is NOT saying "every single member of group x are...."
For example:.
When we say that blacks* are a criminal society, we don't need to show that 100% of blacks are criminals, we just need to show that there is a severe criminal problem that is more pronounced among blacks than anyone else. If that is10% of the population, 30% of the population, 40% of the population, so be it, the exact numbers are inconsequential it's a question of per capita or proportionality.
*The same applies to mexicans & arabs being dirty, lazy and envious.
When we point out anti-Semitism among Polish people for example, we don't need to prove that every single Polish person is an anti-Semite, we just need to point to the uniqueness of the problem to Poland, the pervasiveness of the problem, and the degree of the problem.
When we say Toyotas are reliable we don't mean every single one of the millions produced is. There are a few examoles of badly built or designed Toyotas but GENERALLY speaking the evidence of thousands of owner surveys and quality reports suggests that Toyotas ARE reliable.
These are the modes that these sort of things are discussed in and indeed when speaking of general habits of cultures and religions, this sort of thinking is commonly used all the time. Why should it not be used in reference to blacks, muSSlims, mexicans or anybody else?
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Are you even connected to the concepts of proportionality and logic?
You are trying to suggest that there is some parity between...........
1/ A tiny sub-group within an already tiny minority (who entered the USA legally!) quietly and respectfully putting up signs in their own tiny enclave ONLY
and......
2/ A lumping mass of foreigners (many in the USA ILLEGALLY) yelling and shouting and DEMANDING a foreign language across the entire country!
That's no comparison at all. You might as well compare 1 Jewish boy returning his library book late with 5,000 blacks rioting and looting in Crown Heights!!
Are you the mexi version of al sharpton?
I'm not even Mexican. Stop with the ridiculous insults. If you're not going to contribute to the thread please don't even bother
So admit it.
There is NO comparison between the Satmar yiddoish signs and latino demands for spanish as an official language.
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Kiryas Yoel and Satmar are vile. Chaim once talked abou how when he and rabbi Kahane used to be guests on radio shows and such, Satmars used to call into the shows with vile, hateful and anti israel comments which were a huge embarrassment to judaism.
Unfortunately, that doesn't surprise me at all.
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It's not going to happen to kick out all these people. No one is right wing enough. The only group that has a chance of being thrown out is the Muslims. As far as the Hispanics go, most of the ones I've seen weren't bad.
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If you're not going to contribute to the thread please don't even bother
Oh he'll contribute to the thread by asking us if Toyotas are more "reliable"
Somehow, this will prove him right above all of us.
I can't believe you are so dumb as to not grasp the basic concepts that most 7th graders manage to. So I put it down to ignorance. If you read what I wrote, you'd understand what is meant and not post idiotic remarks like that one.
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I have met many good hispanics. Law abiding righteous ones should be welcomed, illegal criminal immigrants need to be thrown out.
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If you're not going to contribute to the thread please don't even bother
Oh he'll contribute to the thread by asking us if Toyotas are more "reliable"
Somehow, this will prove him right above all of us.
I can't believe you are so dumb as to not grasp the basic concepts that most 7th graders manage to. So I put it down to ignorance. If you read what I wrote, you'd understand what is meant and not post idiotic remarks like that one.
Yet again more insults from you, pat yourself on the back. You're a great contributer to this thread.
I have met many good hispanics. Law abiding righteous ones should be welcomed, illegal criminal immigrants need to be thrown out.
I agree 100%. Illegal immigrants should be kicked out, and the business who hire them need to be punished.
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Hey, speedy gonzales.........
Are go going to admit there is no comparison between mexican demands for spanish and satmar bus signs?
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All this newman guy does is insult people :D
You need to find something else to do with your time, you are dragging this forum down.
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If you're not going to contribute to the thread please don't even bother
Oh he'll contribute to the thread by asking us if Toyotas are more "reliable"
Somehow, this will prove him right above all of us.
I can't believe you are so dumb as to not grasp the basic concepts that most 7th graders manage to. So I put it down to ignorance. If you read what I wrote, you'd understand what is meant and not post idiotic remarks like that one.
Consider yourself warned.
I'll rephrase it:
Mills,
I can't believe someone as bright as your good self has an inability to grasp the basic concepts that most 7th graders manage to. So I put it down to your busy and hectic shedual not allowing you sufficient time to read the few passages I found time to type. Pity, though. If you read what I wrote, you'd understand what is meant and not post remarks like that one that miss the point entirely.
Nobody is camparing people to cars. An analogy is not a comparison. You learn that in 7th grade, too. :)
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All this newman guy does is insult people :D
You need to find something else to do with your time, you are dragging this forum down.
That speedy gonzales comment was DISGUSTING, 1986 is not even Mexican.
What's the difference?
Black is black whether from the Ivory Coast, Central africa or South Africa.
arab is arab whether from saudi or jordan.
hispanic is hispanic whether from spain, south or cental america.
And he still won't admit he was wrong about the satmar signs.
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Newman must be a womanizer. He called Sarah our "little girl" and wanted to save her from Islam and he called you our "nerd" because of your glasses in the video. He must just like younger women.
Now who's doing the insults?
I never called mills a nerd. Other postes described her glasses as geeky or nerdy. I agrred and added my aproval.
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I actually think that both Newman, 1986 and Mills have valid points. Nobody needs to be warned. I actually believe that satmar is evil and their behavior is more vile than mexicans. At least mexicans don't wish destruction on their own people. Their is no question that the majority of blacks are sick evil monsters and their is no way to deny that so many of the hispanic immigrants who come here are evil and criminal. They give the legal and righteous hispanics such as the ones who are here a bad name.
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I can't believe you are so dumb as to not grasp the basic concepts that most 7th graders manage to. So I put it down to ignorance. If you read what I wrote, you'd understand what is meant and not post idiotic remarks like that one.
Maybe writing all this will make you feel better, and I really hope it does because you need it. But it still does not change the fact that you are very wrong, no matter how much convincing yourself it takes. And no doubt you want EVERYONE to fall into your pattern of ignorance.
Well guess what, some of us don't like living like that! And what is it with your SICK obsession with 7th graders? I do not want to know.
If I am 'wrong' then make your case and address my points of argument instead of saying..."you;'re wrong, you're wrong nyah nyah nyah-nyah nyah" like a petulent child.
Can't you prosecute an argument effectively?
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I actually thought mills did a very righteous thing by making those videos at a time of turmoil for jtf. She certainly doesn't deserve to be belittled and anyone who did that is wrong. I think those videos and her radio show were entertaining and enjoyable. On another note, Newman is a great member of the forum with whom I agree with alot.
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Hey Mills what were your videos about?
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Lets remember that we all hate muslims. That should be enough to get us all to make up.
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Mills made videos and even hosted an online radio show when the jtf site was down. They were very inspirational and very enjoyable to listen to. They just reassured people that a site isn't what makes jtf but rather its wonderful members who will always be there. They were really thoughtful and well done.
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I can't believe you are so dumb as to not grasp the basic concepts that most 7th graders manage to. So I put it down to ignorance. If you read what I wrote, you'd understand what is meant and not post idiotic remarks like that one.
Maybe writing all this will make you feel better, and I really hope it does because you need it. But it still does not change the fact that you are very wrong, no matter how much convincing yourself it takes. And no doubt you want EVERYONE to fall into your pattern of ignorance.
Well guess what, some of us don't like living like that! And what is it with your SICK obsession with 7th graders? I do not want to know.
If I am 'wrong' then make your case and address my points of argument instead of saying..."you;'re wrong, you're wrong nyah nyah nyah-nyah nyah" like a petulent child.
Can't you prosecute an argument effectively?
OK, so can an animal use sign language to tell his human teachers that his banana is pink...they can argue all they want to the animal and the animal will get upset, throw things at them etc..and yet still not comprehend that the banana is not pink?
Or have you heard the expression "talking to a wall"
That is what it is like with you. Someone disagrees with you and all you can do is insult people like a little "7th grader"
No one is asking you to change, especially me. All I said is that I disagree with you and do not see whatever you babble abut as ever being remotely valid. That;s it, I DON'T agree with you period and I NEVER will. LIVE with it and stop acting like an immature kid who gets mad when he doesn't get his way and reduces himself to just insulting people. Don't forget you started the insults.
If you argue about something purely subjective (like what wine tastes better) there is no need to justify your position as it is pure peronal preferrence.
However, if you say someone else is wrong to use certain phrases or construct an argument a certain way, you MUST back it up and make a rational case. You refuse to do that for vague and palpable reasons.
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Lets remember that we all hate muslims. That should be enough to get us all to make up.
lol
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Lastly......
Do you think I will give you the time of day or....actually take you seriously enough to ever "argue" or debate with you? Do you honestly think that your opinion about this, about anything Or about me is of any value to me?
Well it is NOT. I don't care what you babble on about, you just like hearing yourself talk-talk talk and like anyone as long as they agree with you.
But I could care less if you like me or not. The most important thing is that IF you think I will give you the satisfaction of addressing anything that you would EVER point out, you are seriously wrong. I like talking to those who's opinions I value, but with you, I HAVE to respect for since all you can do is yell at people with insults and obsessively talk about cars and 7th graders.
Just not worth it.
You are just going to have to learn to live with the fact that not everyone will agree with you or care about anything you say.
No one is asking YOU to change, don't ask others here to change just because you don't agree with them.
Not good enough. You're not addressing my points or making your case. That's called 'piking out'.
In terms you may better comprehend:
I win , you lose, I'm the king of the castle. :P
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Not good enough. You're not addressing my points or making your case. That's called 'piking out'.
In terms you may better comprehend:
I win , you lose, I'm the king of the castle. :P
Like I said all your points are WORTHLESS to me .............
Which ones and how so, exactly?
I already addressed your points in another thread
No you didn't. You piked out there, too.
But keep going, you are only going to make MORE people here be sick of your attitude.
And it's so interesting, so many of us and only you. And gees, if many feel this way about you maybe it's for a reason.
"So many"? How many aproximately and who?
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Not good enough. You're not addressing my points or making your case. That's called 'piking out'.
In terms you may better comprehend:
I win , you lose, I'm the king of the castle. :P
Like I said all your points are WORTHLESS to me .............
Which ones and how so, exactly?
I already addressed your points in another thread
No you didn't. You piked out there, too.
But keep going, you are only going to make MORE people here be sick of your attitude.
And it's so interesting, so many of us and only you. And gees, if many feel this way about you maybe it's for a reason.
"So many"? How many aproximately and who?
It's all in the other thread. Back then I actually respect you as a person and decided to talk to you.
But it turned out to be wrong of me to talk to a wall who thinks he's always right and everyone else is wrong.
And talk about "piked" from arguments....you ran away like a scared child when I asked you said "all mexicans" and when I asked you about someone you retracted ....I asked you something about that again and yet never answered me. Nay, you refused to.
SO...do you really insult ALL Mexicans like you said at first? ALL of them?
I explained that in the half dozen or more posts that YOU REFUSED TO READ (like in this thread)..............remember?
Which ones? what part of ALL don't you get?
You are really the RUDEST person I have ever met. You don't respect people's opinions!
I expect them to back their opinions up.
So, since you have been absolutely RUDE, I am giving you my warning at this point. You don't go picking on people and bully them. Think about what you are doing, newman.
If you fold up at robust debate you havn't the bottle for the struggle to come.
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Not good enough. You're not addressing my points or making your case. That's called 'piking out'.
In terms you may better comprehend:
I win , you lose, I'm the king of the castle. :P
Like I said all your points are WORTHLESS to me .............
Which ones and how so, exactly?
I already addressed your points in another thread
No you didn't. You piked out there, too.
But keep going, you are only going to make MORE people here be sick of your attitude.
And it's so interesting, so many of us and only you. And gees, if many feel this way about you maybe it's for a reason.
"So many"? How many aproximately and who?
It's all in the other thread. Back then I actually respect you as a person and decided to talk to you.
But it turned out to be wrong of me to talk to a wall who thinks he's always right and everyone else is wrong.
And talk about "piked" from arguments....you ran away like a scared child when I asked you said "all mexicans" and when I asked you about someone you retracted ....I asked you something about that again and yet never answered me. Nay, you refused to.
SO...do you really insult ALL Mexicans like you said at first? ALL of them?
I explained that in the half dozen or more posts that YOU REFUSED TO READ (like in this thread)..............remember?
Which ones? what part of ALL don't you get?
You are really the RUDEST person I have ever met. You don't respect people's opinions!
I expect them to back their opinions up.
So, since you have been absolutely RUDE, I am giving you my warning at this point. You don't go picking on people and bully them. Think about what you are doing, newman.
If you fold up at robust debate you havn't the bottle for the struggle to come.
NO expecting someone to debate you back or "back up" anything does NOT excuse your insults and bullying! Lastly, I DON'T care what you think of me and my "struggle" ability since you don't know me personally. Others here do, their opinion is what matters to me. You don't know what I've been through in the past when it's come to debating those who defame Israel. So whatever you think of me...I could CARE LESS!
I like you, actually. But you can't debate worth a bean and you're too emotional. But I still value your talents as I did when you first began posting.
But what's this....you still are NOT answering my question newman???
DO you really insult all Mexicans like you claimed? Just a simple yes or no question....do you need me to refresh your memory?
Yes or no, it's very simple.
I'll make a deal.
I'll answer that question IF you read the following and refute or agree with it point by point and answer my previous questions. Agreed?
A CONSERVATIVE TAKE ON GENERALISING:
I would say (on the whole) it's very level headed to look at reality backed up with mountains of evidence and then drawing conclusions based on the experience of many
For example:.
When we say that blacks* are a criminal society, we don't need to show that 100% of blacks are criminals, we just need to show that there is a severe criminal problem that is more pronounced among blacks than anyone else. If that is10% of the population, 30% of the population, 40% of the population, so be it, the exact numbers are inconsequential it's a question of per capita or proportionality.
*The same applies to mexicans & arabs being dirty, lazy and envious.
Or............
When we say that blacks are a society that produces illegitimate children, we don't need to show that 100% of blacks do this, again, we just need to show that it is a problem among blacks more than it is among anyone else, and that it is a particularly black problem, which it is. The severity of these things are unique to black communities, so it is fair game to point them out in generalized fashions.
It's just that whenever lierals see one of these broad statements, they instantly go into left/liberal reactionary mode, immediately believing that we mean every single black person. Their common defense of how they know some who are different than what we describe is an example of this.
Whenever there is a feature of the black community that is 1) disproportionate to blacks 2) recognized as a "black problem" 3) that's pervasiveness is unique to the black community, I'm going to recognize that as a component of the black community. Of course it doesn't have to even be a problem with the majority of people, just a large proportion.
Or......
When we point out anti-Semitism among Polish people for example, we don't need to prove that every single Polish person is an anti-Semite, we just need to point to the uniqueness of the problem to Poland, the pervasiveness of the problem, and the degree of the problem.
Or.........
When we say Toyotas are reliable we don't mean every single one of the millions produced is. There are a few examoles of badly built or designed Toyotas but GENERALLY speaking the evidence of thousands of owner surveys and quality reports suggests that Toyotas ARE reliable.
These are the modes that these sort of things are discussed in and indeed when speaking of general habits of cultures and religions, this sort of thinking is commonly used all the time. Why should it not be used in reference to blacks, muSSlims, mexicans or anybody else?
It should be taken for granted that a statement beginning with.."Blacks are......" or "Arabs are......" or "Mexicans are......" is going to refer to the majority of them in general terms and not every, single one on the Planet.
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Well....newman.
It's tempting...I'll have to think about it since I have to leave for the night. I mean, I do see it as being worthless to me so in all honestly I am not remotely interested in it. And I don't care if you like me or not especially after your rudeness in the way you have directed yourself to me, which means that while I respect you as a forum member, that's all I feel.
I guess the reason why I am also not interested is that I am not asking you to change, I just disagree on some points, but since I'm not interested in convincing anyone I just don't care to bother with anything else.
I also don't think your proposition is fair.
I am asking for a "yes" or "no" that's it. But you are asking a lot more than I'm interested in giving for a subject that I remotely care about and for someone who's insults have turned me into not valuing their point of view.
You will just say "yes" "no" and I will have to read a WHOLE thing, and point out where it's utterly wrong and debate etc....etc... and MOST likely be subjected to your insults again.
I especially do not find it fair since I already know your answer.
After you said you insult ALL mexicans, I asked you about someone and you said that you don't insult him since he's "proven" himself righteous. To which I replied something like: "but you said you insult ALL Mexicans" "where you lying?" "are you changing your mind?" After that, there was no answer.
What you are asking of me is far more, and I don't see it as a fair deal. Plus I think it's insane for me to accept it or read it. I'm just not the type of person who is interested in letting someone tell me to "debate them" "refute them" as if they have some kind of authority, as if I care about their request. I like debating when I like, not when someone tells me to and when I know it wont lead to anything.
All I ever wanted was to say I disagree is all. I don't want to change any minds.
Yes, but I've built up "asking credits" because you have repeatedly refused to answer my questions and refute my points (ten times more than I've ever done that with you) so I'm entitled to demand more. :)
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Yes, but I've built up "asking credits" because you have repeatedly refused to answer my questions and refute my points (ten times more than I've ever done that with you) so I'm entitled to demand more. :)
I would not have my heart set on demanding things based on invisible credits AT ALL and I find the idea rather odd and overall preposterous. It just does not work this way.
Yes it does.
I did address things with you in the other thread.....
No, you were evasive.
............ but even then you got completely out of line with you insulting me. I don't think it's worth it for me to even try talking to someone like that.
"insult"? A few snide remarks. As Crocodile Dundee said:"That's not an insult......."
Why in the world would I want to talk to someone who can't make a point without the insults. I just DON'T have to take it.
Hey, at least I make and argument ASWELL. :)
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Yes I suppose that your "credits" work because you said so...but I will prove you wrong and NOT accept your unfair deal, so your credits can go to waste. They are no good to me.
You can default on a debt to the bank but the debt still stands.......and accumulates interest. ;)
And if others had call you out on your insults...it's because that's what they are INSULTS.
They're a minority of people and they're being overly sensitive.
I guess you will have to live with the fact that this is one person who will not bother with you. Yes, I will not give in to your little debate games. Maybe get someone else who'd be foolish enough to do so.
They're not foolish. Please don't insult those who debate with me, it's quite rude. They just have sufficient conviction in their case to defend it.
And I did try to answer to you honestly to you before, so I know nothing about cars I admit that-I don't know what's kind is more reliable than another,.........
See? That's either missing the point, not understanding what an analogy is..........or being evasive. Given that I know you to be a clever girl, I suspect the latter.
I said my issue is not so much with "generalizing" it's just that I don't like to use generalizations as an excuse to call people derogatory names, that's it!
It's the best darned excuse anyone's come up with in 200 years! O0
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OK. Well I am also a woman who does NOT care about cars.
uh-huh :o
I like cuteness, I'm a female! I thought the Yaris was cute and my brother got it for me. I don't care what type or "brand" (I don't know what cars are called) it is. It could be a honda, toyota or others and I would not favor one over the other. Maybe if I knew something about cars I could say which one I like better but I don't. So what, I'm not a car person. So giving me car examples don't do anything for me.
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!! (head banging on table). :'(
The car thing was an ANALOGY......a parrable (like yeshu used to use). When he spoke of the man building his house on sand, he wasn't really talking about construction techniques! He using an analogy to make a point. Like I did with the example of generalising about the merits of certain makes of car being similar to generalising about the traits of certain ethnicities.
Please tell me you get the point. Even if you don't get it, tell me you do or I'll go insane.
And the only credits that you see are in your mind, and they wont work with me. You are just a guy in a forum, that's it. Keep your "credits" and see if you can exchange them for $ in real life and not just in an internet forum.
They're worth satisfaction, not dollars. ;)
I just feel differently than you do. It's very simple indeed. I disagree with you in some points, it's not a big deal, the world wont end because someone disagrees with you. Like I said, I don't want anything else, not to change anyone's mind etc.
But you're still wrong.
Now, I am going to go to sleep.
Goodnight, Dear Mills. :)
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I can't believe you are so dumb as to not grasp the basic concepts that most 7th graders manage to. So I put it down to ignorance. If you read what I wrote, you'd understand what is meant and not post idiotic remarks like that one.
Consider yourself warned.
I concur here. I'm glad you locked this thread.
I, also, will not tolerate members insulting other members - especially the chief global moderator who is an incredible person with high intelligence and cares so much about the people on this forum. Mills didn't even need to defend herself.
This goes for everyone. Let's stop with insulting the wonderful members of the forum. It goes against the Torah and the values, ethics, and kindness we need to have toward one another here. Disagreeing is part of what makes everything work here but the unity of JTF is important if we want to be effective.
Being righteous is more important than having to be right.