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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Tzvi Ben Roshel1 on February 16, 2008, 08:19:45 PM
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http://kolyakov.org/rav_mizrachi.html
The Power of the Chachamim
- Im listining to it now, also towards the end it talks about the situation of the future of this (U.S.A.) country.
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Tzvi, if you posted Kahanist style torah, people would be more enthusiastic about these posts. You are just posting shas style stuff which people hate here.
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Read the bio of that Rabbi. He "escaped" from Israel and settled in NY. Tzvi, these types of Rabbis would be welcomed on Revavas forum, not here.
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Tzvi, if you posted Kahanist style torah, people would be more enthusiastic about these posts. You are just posting shas style stuff which people hate here.
"shas style stuff" .... ummm... lol?
DownwithIslam you are insane. Rabbi Kahane was a Torah-true Jew. These are Torah lectures, like them or not. Rabbi Mizrachi has a unique style he is entitled to. Rabbi Kahane would not have disrespected this man like you do as you invoke Rabbi Kahane's name. And your comment about the Rabbi M "escaping Israel" is ridiculous. I think you have a lot to learn, my friend.
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dwi is a little kookoo. He really hates allmost all Rabbis and religious people, so posting a Torah lecture that people might benifit from really p*sses him off. I guess its partly because his brother became religious and doesn't respect and recognize him, probably because of the way he acts and speaks. dwi do yourself a favor, at least just keep quiet, you wouldn't want to add on to more averot which you will be accountable for.
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dwi is a little kookoo. He really hates allmost all Rabbis and religious people, so posting a Torah lecture that people might benifit from really p*sses him off. I guess its partly because his brother became religious and doesn't respect and recognize him, probably because of the way he acts and speaks. dwi do yourself a favor, at least just keep quiet, you wouldn't want to add on to more averot which you will be accountable for.
Tzvi, how do you know anything about my family? That line had about as much integrity as the koran has. I think you are insane. Because two extremists on this forum call me kookoo or whatever certainly doesn't make me so. I think your positions are insane. For examply, you recently stated that even if you had lots of money, you would give it to some torah website over JTF. Now I don't think their is anything wrong at all with giving to that torah website, that is after you have donated to jtf. Think about this, if JTF doesn't take over soon, you will be killed by arab muslim nazis and you certainly wont be learning. Get your priorities in order.
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Tzvi, if you posted Kahanist style torah, people would be more enthusiastic about these posts. You are just posting shas style stuff which people hate here.
"shas style stuff" .... ummm... lol?
DownwithIslam you are insane. Rabbi Kahane was a Torah-true Jew. These are Torah lectures, like them or not. Rabbi Mizrachi has a unique style he is entitled to. Rabbi Kahane would not have disrespected this man like you do as you invoke Rabbi Kahane's name. And your comment about the Rabbi M "escaping Israel" is ridiculous. I think you have a lot to learn, my friend.
Hmm, last I checked, you didn't have a direct high speed line to Rabbi Kahanes brain to know what he would have done but hey maybe you guys are magicians. I know that rabbi kahane would not of approved a man that lived in Israel and moved to monsey. We can ask Chaim about this but we already know what he thinks. And kahane Ben torah boy, I think you have a lot to learn so right back at you.
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It's funny how the two resident "Ben Torah's" are also the most arrogant people on this forum. Lubab and Judea Non Capta are both very religious but I don't see them bragging and acting abnoxious. You two should try to act like them and things would be a lot better.
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dwi is a little kookoo. He really hates allmost all Rabbis and religious people, so posting a Torah lecture that people might benifit from really p*sses him off. I guess its partly because his brother became religious and doesn't respect and recognize him, probably because of the way he acts and speaks. dwi do yourself a favor, at least just keep quiet, you wouldn't want to add on to more averot which you will be accountable for.
Tzvi, how do you know anything about my family? That line had about as much integrity as the koran has. I think you are insane. Because two extremists on this forum call me kookoo or whatever certainly doesn't make me so. I think your positions are insane. For examply, you recently stated that even if you had lots of money, you would give it to some torah website over JTF. Now I don't think their is anything wrong at all with giving to that torah website, that is after you have donated to jtf. Think about this, if JTF doesn't take over soon, you will be killed by arab muslim nazis and you certainly wont be learning. Get your priorities in order.
You mentioned it some time ago on the forum (actually on ask JTF) am I wrong?
Once again you are a lier and dillusional, stop smoking crack. All I said was that, I dont have $, but when I had a little I gave to Torahanytime.com . I didn't say I wouldn't have given to others including JTF, once I have a job and $.
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First off BT doesn't stand for 'ben Torah.' Secondly the "I'll go run and ask Chaim, he disagrees with you" argument is rather cowardly and intellectually dishonest. Rabbi Kahane ZT"L made his position very clear, every Jew belongs in Israel. Period. That doesn't mean he would be disrespecting a religious rabbi for choosing not to, or not yet returning there. And it doesn't give you a right to disrespect and slander Jews outright with ad hominem attacks 'because they don't live in Israel.' And G-d forbid you should disrespect a rabbi for it. Who do you think you are? You can choose to disagree with the rabbi's decision to live somewhere other than Israel citing rabbinic tradition and others greater than you who hold that opinion, such as Rabbi Kahane, but that doesn't make a person 'invalidated.' And I think we both know your attack on Tzvi's post had nothing to do with that, at least it didn't seem so. You called the rabbi's material "shas-like"...
In fact, Rabbi Kahane held onto his own dual citizenship because he felt it important to get his message to US Jews and tell them to keep mitzvot, support Kahane's party, and go live in Israel. Rabbi M, according to his biography, is on a mission to get secular Israeli and American Jews in the US more connected to Torah. I'm not sure how you have determined that I'm an extremist, but I find that rather odd and humorous.
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If I am insane then you are an extremist.
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It's funny how the two resident "Ben Torah's" are also the most arrogant people on this forum. Lubab and Judea Non Capta are both very religious but I don't see them bragging and acting abnoxious. You two should try to act like them and things would be a lot better.
Really, I'm arrogant now because I disagree with you? Interesting. Where did I brag about anything? Why is it that you consider me 'ben Torah'? You say ben Torah's are the most arrogant on the forum, but "very religious" are not. What is the difference between a "very religious" and a "ben Torah" according to the so-very-credible Down with Islam?
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Actually when Rabbi Mizrahi came to America, he wasn't religious. + even according to the opinion that states that Jews should live in Israel, their are exceptions, one of which is for someone who teaches Torah (according to Rav Ben Haim, who spoke about the greatness of living in Israel).
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If I am insane then you are an extremist.
Your post was insane. The 'shas-like' label was from outer space.
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Actually when Rabbi Mizrahi came to America, he wasn't religious. + even according to the opinion that states that Jews should live in Israel, their are exceptions, one of which is for someone who teaches Torah (according to Rav Ben Haim, who spoke about the greatness of living in Israel).
Oh, I see. I couldn't tell from his biography at what point he became religious. Thanks for the info.
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If I am insane then you are an extremist.
okay I agree. You are insane and im an extremist. Im not, but anyway I take it as a compliment.
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DownwithIslam: "...If I am insane then you are an extremist..."
Am NOT!
Are too!
Am NOT!
Are TOO!
NO...YOU ARE!
NO I'M NOT!...YOU ARE!
;D
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DownwithIslam: "...If I am insane then you are an extremist..."
Am NOT!
Are too!
Am NOT!
Are TOO!
NO...YOU ARE!
NO I'M NOT!...YOU ARE!
;D
Never thought I'd be labelled an 'extremist' on a Kahanist forum by another Kahanist, but I guess it's par for the course in online forums.
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Kahane-Was-Right BT - Check out the lectures, you deserve it O0 .
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If I am insane then you are an extremist.
okay I agree. You are insane and im an extremist. Im not, but anyway I take it as a compliment.
Tzvi if you could read it would be helpful. While I do think you are an extremist I was not talking about you in that post. As for your buddy, I never said that their was a difference between a ben torah and very religious. I was saying that you two try to shove your ideas down peoples throats while judea non capta and Lubab dont. And tzvi ben roshel, you are a liar. My brother doesn't respect me? I think not. That might be the relationship you have with members of your family but thats not where I stand. While you happen to be right that my brother is religious, everything else you said was a lie.
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DownwithIslam: "...If I am insane then you are an extremist..."
Am NOT!
Are too!
Am NOT!
Are TOO!
NO...YOU ARE!
NO I'M NOT!...YOU ARE!
;D
Never thought I'd be labelled an 'extremist' on a Kahanist forum by another Kahanist, but I guess it's par for the course in online forums.
Again you are distorting what I said. I said you are an extremist if I am insane which is what you called me. Even if I did call you an extremist, it was merely regarding our disagreement on this matter. I was not referring to your ideas about muslims and so forth. I would hope we agree on that.
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If I am insane then you are an extremist.
okay I agree. You are insane and im an extremist. Im not, but anyway I take it as a compliment.
Tzvi if you could read it would be helpful. While I do think you are an extremist I was not talking about you in that post. As for your buddy, I never said that their was a difference between a ben torah and very religious. I was saying that you too try to shove your ideas down peoples throats while judea non capta and Lubab dont. And tzvi ben roshel, you are a liar. My brother doesn't respect me? I think not. That might be the relationship you have with members of your family but thats not where I stand. While you happen to be right that my brother is religious, everything else you said was a lie.
I 'shoved my ideas down people's throats' by reacting to you blatantly disrespecting a Rabbi for no reason? I'm usually posting political items on here. In fact, I don't remember posting anything religious on here, except when I joined a discussion in the Kahanist section about a 'religious anti-zionist' response to q_q. I'm not sure where you get your opinion of me from. Maybe you are just angry that I disagree with you.
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"shoving peoples throats"
I just posted a site, for Jews to go and visit and G-d willing learn something. If it bothers you, and you aren't smart enought and dont have the merit to visit the site and learn Torah, then dont click on it, your loss. But who are you to continually post agains't it and any Torah and Hachamim. Do you not know the serious crime you are commiting by trying to stop Jews from learning Torah. (Ironically, just like the other reshaim, like Bilam, by you discussing it, you are promiting it in a way by having this topic reappare as new post).
You claim we are arrogant. You can say whatever you like, but its obvious that all you do is defame everyone, and its a Mitzva on my or any other Jew who reads your posts, to have Holy Boldness and fight agains't YOUR arrogance and ignorance.
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It's a bit hypocritical of Tzvi to get very excited when I discuss a rabbi he supports when he thought nothing of insulting a large portion of worldwide chabad Judaism. He said that Chabad Chasidim who believe their rabbi was moshiach should be excommunicated which is real slander. These are heroic jews who have legit reasons for believing what they believe in regardless of my personal beliefs.
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It's a bit hypocritical of Tzvi to get very excited when I discuss a rabbi he supports when he thought nothing of insulting a large portion of worldwide chabad Judaism. He said that Chabad Chasidim who believe their rabbi was moshiach should be excommunicated which is real slander. These are heroic jews who have legit reasons for believing what they believe in regardless of my personal beliefs.
stop changing the subject, and yes, their is within Chabad, a HUGG problem, someone can read what I said previosly on that subject, and why I said it (when it was mentioned).
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It's a bit hypocritical of Tzvi to get very excited when I discuss a rabbi he supports when he thought nothing of insulting a large portion of worldwide chabad Judaism. He said that Chabad Chasidim who believe their rabbi was moshiach should be excommunicated which is real slander. These are heroic jews who have legit reasons for believing what they believe in regardless of my personal beliefs.
Not to open this can of worms, but when you say 'legit reasons for believing what they believe'.... I think it's actually a novel idea of theirs that the moschiach will be a person who already lived and died and comes back. There isn't a tradition for that found really anywhere. As far as excommunication goes and all that, that is an issue way above me, and I'll leave that to the chachamim to work out. As long as they are not worshipping the Rebbe, while it might be a new idea to think he will be returning as moschiach, as long as they aren't deifying him, then perhaps they are fine to believe what they like. I don't really know much more than the fact that a person living dying and coming back as moschiach is a unique approach.
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It's a bit hypocritical of Tzvi to get very excited when I discuss a rabbi he supports when he thought nothing of insulting a large portion of worldwide chabad Judaism. He said that Chabad Chasidim who believe their rabbi was moshiach should be excommunicated which is real slander. These are heroic jews who have legit reasons for believing what they believe in regardless of my personal beliefs.
stop changing the subject, and yes, their is within Chabad, a HUGG problem, someone can read what I said previosly on that subject, and why I said it (when it was mentioned).
Why do you consider this a change of subject? I know its not something you want me to expose about you but it's the truth. You viscously smear Chabad when so many of their members believe this. Do you know that the lubavitcher rebbe fulfilled all of the obligations that moshiach is supposed to especially bringing jews back to judaism? How dare you smear these wonderful people simply because little tzvi ben roshel thinks its a "HUGG" problem? I see something wrong with this picture especially when this same person gets very touchy when someone mentions anything about rabbis he supports. I wonder how Lubab feels about your vile comments in regard to chabad?
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It's a bit hypocritical of Tzvi to get very excited when I discuss a rabbi he supports when he thought nothing of insulting a large portion of worldwide chabad Judaism. He said that Chabad Chasidim who believe their rabbi was moshiach should be excommunicated which is real slander. These are heroic jews who have legit reasons for believing what they believe in regardless of my personal beliefs.
stop changing the subject, and yes, their is within Chabad, a HUGG problem, someone can read what I said previosly on that subject, and why I said it (when it was mentioned).
Why do you consider this a change of subject? I know its not something you want me to expose about you but it's the truth. You viscously smear Chabad when so many of their members believe this. Do you know that the lubavitcher rebbe fulfilled all of the obligations that moshiach is supposed to especially bringing jews back to judaism? How dare you smear these wonderful people simply because little tzvi ben roshel thinks its a "HUGG" problem? I see something wrong with this picture especially when this same person gets very touchy when someone mentions anything about rabbis he supports. I wonder how Lubab feels about your vile comments in regard to chabad?
Hey listin, when someone thinks that their Rebbe is G-d incarnated, like xtianity, it is completly forbidden, and the belief that he is Moshiah, lead to that more extreme view. So when I origionaly said to Lubab that if anything, if we are going to talk about excommunicating some observent Jews, then we should start in Chabad. (And I didn't say all of Chabad, but if we were to, then it should be checked their first and formost). Either way, I stand by what I said, BUT its no point (noting positive will come out of), discussing it too much needleesly here, but I stand by what I said and believe.
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Do you know that the lubavitcher rebbe fulfilled all of the obligations that moshiach is supposed to especially bringing jews back to judaism?
No, I'm pretty sure he didn't. The obligations, in addition to bringing Jews to Israel from the four corners of the earth (to Eretz Yisrael, the place), I think include also he has to build the Third Temple, he will rule over the Jewish people, he is from the Davidic line, restore practice of all the mitzvot we currently can't do without the Temple, wage wars against the enemies of the Jewish people, establish a peaceful era, get people worldwide to recognize and serve Hashem, Jews and non Jews in our unique ways. Is this correct?
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Do you know that the lubavitcher rebbe fulfilled all of the obligations that moshiach is supposed to especially bringing jews back to judaism?
No, I'm pretty sure he didn't. The obligations, in addition to bringing Jews to Israel from the four corners of the earth (to Eretz Yisrael, the place), I think include also he has to build the Third Temple, he will rule over the Jewish people, he is from the Davidic line, restore practice of all the mitzvot we currently can't do without the Temple, wage wars against the enemies of the Jewish people, establish a peaceful era, get people worldwide to recognize and serve Hashem, Jews and non Jews in our unique ways. Is this correct?
Yes, and more.
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Well to be fair, I am not an expert in this area but I heard a prominent Chabad rabbi in Crown Heights discuss this and he said that their was no question that the rebbe did fulfill the required obligations. Regardless, for tzvi to say that they should be excommunicated is disgusting. He doesn't realize that just as he gets offended when I discuss rabbis he supports, many more people get offended when he spews hate like this. I guess he only thinks of himself. In any event, Chabad are wonderful jews and if he wants to show examples of rabbis who bring jews back to judaism then he should look right at chabad rabbis. This also proves that his labeling of me as anti religious to be a lie as well. I doubt I would come to a forum like this if I was anti religious.
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Well to be fair, I am not an expert in this area but I heard a prominent Chabad rabbi in Crown Heights discuss this and he said that their was no question that the rebbe did fulfill the required obligations. Regardless, for tzvi to say that they should be excommunicated is disgusting. He doesn't realize that just as he gets offended when I discuss rabbis he supports, many more people get offended when he spews hate like this. I guess he only thinks of himself. In any event, Chabad are wonderful jews and if he wants to show examples of rabbis who bring jews back to judaism then he should look right at chabad rabbis.
Do you work for the Israeli self-hating media or something? Origionally I told lubab that "If anything" , before he goes and suggests about other ObserventJews being excommunicated, he should look into his own group, and "If anything", it should start their. Stop making sh*t up, and stirring things, just in order "to get back at me". We know you hate me, I take it as a compliment.
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Tzvi has a valid Torah opinion on most matters and I agree with some of what he writes. DWI you also have a valid Torah opinion on most matters and I agree with some of the stuff you write. About the Rebbe Zs'l I agree more with Tzvi. Here you DWI went too far by calling the Rabbi he makes threads about an evil Shas Rabbi, it's Loshon Hara.
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Well to be fair, I am not an expert in this area but I heard a prominent Chabad rabbi in Crown Heights discuss this and he said that their was no question that the rebbe did fulfill the required obligations. Regardless, for tzvi to say that they should be excommunicated is disgusting. He doesn't realize that just as he gets offended when I discuss rabbis he supports, many more people get offended when he spews hate like this. I guess he only thinks of himself. In any event, Chabad are wonderful jews and if he wants to show examples of rabbis who bring jews back to judaism then he should look right at chabad rabbis. This also proves that his labeling of me as anti religious to be a lie as well. I doubt I would come to a forum like this if I was anti religious.
I see what you're saying. The people in Chabad who think the Rebbe was moschiach (or, will be moschiach later) is a minority within Chabad. Even smaller minority would be those who take it even further to something blatantly anti-Jewish like deifying him. There is a controversy within Chabad on this issue, and Chabad in general has tried to distance itself from the messichists or whatever they are called, who push the Rebbe-was-moschiach angle. It's a complicated issue. I think Chabad in general, the non-rebbe-was-messiah aspect, is one of the greatest Jewish movements we've seen, and it certainly broke the mold in the 'kiruv' department that so many orthodox groups are participating in today. I have great respect for Chabad & Chabadniks, and I have had positive experiences in Chabad programs myself. The Lubavitcher rebbe ZT"L was unquestionably one of the greatest Torah scholars of his day.
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Again you use vile language to demonstrate your hatred for questioning. To point out that you spewed vile hatred towards a wonderful group of people isn't getting back at you, or at least you shouldn't view it that way. Who makes little Tzvi Ben Roshel the authority on excommunicating jews? Is anyone with a sane head going to believe that Chabad Cahsidim who believe that their rebbe is moshiach need to be excommunicated just because a little boy who despises all jews who are different then himself thinks so? It amazes me that innocent Chabad chasidim who only want to help other jews could possibly come in view of tzvi ben roshels spotting scope.
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Again you use vile language to demonstrate your hatred for questioning. To point out that you spewed vile hatred towards a wonderful group of people isn't getting back at you, or at least you shouldn't view it that way. Who makes little Tzvi Ben Roshel the authority on excommunicating jews? Is anyone with a sane head going to believe that Chabad Cahsidim who believe that their rebbe is moshiach need to be excommunicated just because a little boy who despises all jews who are different then himself thinks so? It amazes me that innocent Chabad chasidim who only want to help other jews could possibly come in view of tzvi ben roshels spotting scope.
You evil Rasha, why are you twisting my words, I wont waste my time arguing with you over and over, but you are a very big Rasha for all of the things you are doing. You would make a good career in the Israeli media, by twisting people's words and all the hate and negativity you create. Stop trying to label me as being like you.
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Actually most Lubovitch think the Rebbe is Moshiach, not a minority.
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Actually most Lubovitch think the Rebbe is Moshiach, not a minority.
Are you sure? I thought they were a minority... Is there a source somewhere with a statistic we can look at?
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Jdl4ever, even though we disagree here, I have a lot of respect for you and I take what you say seriously. People can respectfully disagree and me and you have a gentlemans disagreement regarding this issue. I know you are a normal person and you don't slander so I will be more than happy to always have respectful conversations with you. Tzvi Ben Roshel on the other hand gets all touchy when his rabbis are mentioned but then goes ahead and wants chabad chasidim excommunicated even though he is just a little ant in knowledge compared to the people he slanders especially the chabad rabbis who hold these beliefs.
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Kahanebt, I was also under the impression that Moshiactists were not a minority. I believe that many subscribe to this ideology. I myself in no way a lubavitcher(far from it) but I believe that these people should be shown the utmost respect. I have found them to be some of the nicest people I have ever met.
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I am all for respecting all Jews in general because in the end it will be Hashem who decides who was good or bad and we should love our own nation. I think we have a lot more to worry about than Chabadniks thinking about their rebbe. We have erev rav's leading Israel and doing evil actions against Jews that deserve not an ounce of respect.
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I am all for respecting all Jews in general because in the end it will be Hashem who decides who was good or bad and we should love our own nation. I think we have a lot more to worry about than Chabadniks thinking about their rebbe. We have erev rav's leading Israel and doing evil actions against Jews that deserve not an ounce of respect.
That is exactly right. Kahanebt, I was wondering what you thought of tzvi ben roshels last post or two when he slandered me? I hope you find those as offensive as I did. While I disagree with you on these issues, I certainly don't think you are crazy. I can't say the same about tzvi ben roshel. I think that he is as hypocritical as it gets. At least I am not a hypocrite and I don't believe you are either, kahanebt.
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dwi is a little kookoo. He really hates allmost all Rabbis and religious people, so posting a Torah lecture that people might benifit from really p*sses him off. I guess its partly because his brother became religious and doesn't respect and recognize him, probably because of the way he acts and speaks. dwi do yourself a favor, at least just keep quiet, you wouldn't want to add on to more averot which you will be accountable for.
Tzvi, how do you know anything about my family? That line had about as much integrity as the koran has. I think you are insane. Because two extremists on this forum call me kookoo or whatever certainly doesn't make me so. I think your positions are insane. For examply, you recently stated that even if you had lots of money, you would give it to some torah website over JTF. Now I don't think their is anything wrong at all with giving to that torah website, that is after you have donated to jtf. Think about this, if JTF doesn't take over soon, you will be killed by arab muslim nazis and you certainly wont be learning. Get your priorities in order.
Why would someone donate to JTF over other charities. What has JTF done that it deserves $ over many other righteous organizattiona. Yekutiels "Klavim Le'Haganat Yisrael" is actually doing something with their money, and not just making youtube videos. I mean what Chaim is doing is great, good for him, but dont imply that it is the most important charity. And dont start with "If JTF had more money CHaim would take power". Please think in reality. If I had money I doubt JT would be in the top 100 of my charities I would give to. Name something productive that my money would do. Supporting the hilltops? I can give it to them myself, I dont need Chaim to act as a messanger for me, they can get my money without Chaim.
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And btw, not everyone you disagree with happens to be "Shas". Something is really wrong with you. All you do is spew hatred against Rabbis. Enough is enough. IF you dont have anything nice to say just shut up man.
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Why would someone donate to JTF over other charities. What has JTF done that it deserves $ over many other righteous organizattiona. Yekutiels "Klavim Le'Haganat Yisrael" is actually doing something with their money, and not just making youtube videos. I mean what Chaim is doing is great, good for him, but dont imply that it is the most important charity. And dont start with "If JTF had more money CHaim would take power". Please think in reality. If I had money I doubt JT would be in the top 100 of my charities I would give to. Name something productive that my money would do. Supporting the hilltops? I can give it to them myself, I dont need Chaim to act as a messanger for me, they can get my money without Chaim.
Show me ONE GOOD THING Michael Guzofsky has accomplished in 25 years of living in Israel. ::) All your hero does is sit around drinking beers with Bnei Elim and David Haivri, bashing Chaim ben Pesach (who actually WENT TO PRISON fighting for his brothers and sisters all over the world). What has Mike done, other than collect a fat salary from his handful of sycophants? It may be that he is a good Jew who wants to save Israel, but you sure can't see it from the results.
If you like "Yekutiel" so much, then just go join his forum rather than defending a lost cause. You want to give him money--please, go ahead and do so! I'm sure it will go to a noble cause! ::)
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Why would someone donate to JTF over other charities. What has JTF done that it deserves $ over many other righteous organizattiona. Yekutiels "Klavim Le'Haganat Yisrael" is actually doing something with their money, and not just making youtube videos. I mean what Chaim is doing is great, good for him, but dont imply that it is the most important charity. And dont start with "If JTF had more money CHaim would take power". Please think in reality. If I had money I doubt JT would be in the top 100 of my charities I would give to. Name something productive that my money would do. Supporting the hilltops? I can give it to them myself, I dont need Chaim to act as a messanger for me, they can get my money without Chaim.
Show me ONE GOOD THING Michael Guzofsky has accomplished in 25 years of living in Israel. ::) All your hero does is sit around drinking beers with Bnei Elim and David Haivri, bashing Chaim ben Pesach (who actually WENT TO PRISON fighting for his brothers and sisters all over the world). What has Mike done, other than collect a fat salary from his handful of sycophants? It may be that he is a good Jew who wants to save Israel, but you sure can't see it from the results.
If you like "Yekutiel" so much, then just go join his forum rather than defending a lost cause. You want to give him money--please, go ahead and do so! I'm sure it will go to a noble cause! ::)
Chaimfan, as usual you have added wonderful commentary. We have some people on here who run around praising everyone except the people who actually deserve to be praised. We have a shmuck named dominator96 who is in bed with the shas party and their whores and he always looks to give Chaim Ben pesach a jab. Dominator96, if you don't like Chaim Ben Pesach, please stay off this forum.
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The Jewish Legion, the founding of EL Nakam- a hilltop expanded Tapuach, Trains Security Dogs, Principal of Yeshivat Haraayon, Rabbi Meir + Binyamin Kahane right hand man. Went to jail many, many times. Actually he is facing trial in March for a referendum he put out in Israel, and may serve a long time. And he circulates the Darka Shel Torah Parasha Newsletter around Israel, and the States, and he publishes and sells Rabbi Kahane's books. You have no idea what you are talking about. Yekutiel is a great hero, and yes I actually did give him a nice amount if money last year that I raised. And Btw, he doesnt speak to David Haivri. And what exactly does Victor Vancier do KNOW. We know he went to jail for Jews 20 years ago, and that is very commendable. And Mike colllecting a fat salary? he is actually in debt for all the money he shells out for the upkeep of the security dogs.
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You think Yekutiel is friendly with David Haviri? check this out
http://jtf.org/forum_english/index.php?topic=3725.0
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Wow I always knew you were a piece of drek troll. Can you imagine the chutzpa of you to ask what Chaim does now? He is the only one doing anything to help jews currently.
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Yup, a ASK JTF show, and TAKE BACK AMERICA are really helping Jews that much. More than raising security dogs who have stopped numerous terror attacks.
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I hope Mike Guzofsky goes to prison for life, for ripping off well-meaning but idiotic Jews who think he's some kind of messiah and putting their "save Israel" money in some bank in Nazi Switzerland. He is clearly the kind of person the Torah calls an informer, and as such does not even deserve to be called a Jew by all of us.
So he writes books about Rabbi Kahane (zt"l)? Big deal. It's called having a running scam to bilk his followers with so he doesn't have to actually work for a living, just like his fellow Shas and Agudah "ultra-religious" devotees who suck off the Israeli taxpayer and don't serve in the military either to boot. Unlike Guzzy, Chaim ben Pesach has not made one penny off of JTF. He can prove this. He doesn't need braindead worshippers to support him, and that's why the intelligent Israeli patriots are flocking to us, and not his "movement". The only movement Guzzy is leading right now is a bowel movement!
Tell me, O Wise Dominater (who sure isn't dominator of the spelling world! ;D), how do you explain your hero's friendship with the homosexual sadomasochist Roni, who publicly has declared that Ashkenazi Jewry deserved the Shoah for being "disloyal" to the Gentile governments? Maybe he's too embarrassed to admit he fell for an Arab Nazi who learned a bit of Hebrew! Either way, Guzzy is a loser and you can always tell when his fundraising has gone down by the fresh stream of hatred he spews at Chaim and JTF!
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Ok, what about the loads of money he sends to feed starving children in Yesha? What about the fact that he is the only kahanist with a non religious following in Israel? Ever thought of that. Just compare the two forums you imbecile. I guess you only support people who steal lots of money and are corrupt. That is why you fornicate with shas and that's why you hate Chaim.
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Yekutiel is a great hero, and yes I actually did give him a nice amount if money last year that I raised.
Big deal, I'm sure Guzofsky appreciated your allowance--with a snicker, that is. ;)
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Chaimfan, do you believe that Dominator96 at least changes condoms when he finishes sleeping with certain shas rabbis and he heads over to Haivris place?
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WHo cares about some freekin forum. Its not about who has a bigger forum, it is about who helps out more Jews. First off Mike doesnt even know who Roni is. he has a job. He has records of all the donations. He hasnt made one penny off donations. Brainwashed supporters? and you dont think you are brainwashed? you automatically think Vancier is right. And he doesnt put down Victor Vancier.
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Chaimfan, do you believe that Dominator96 at least changes condoms when he finishes sleeping with certain shas rabbis and he heads over to Haivris place?
Youre a sick son of a [censored], who needs to get a life besides for some internet forum. Maybe get a girlfriend or something, maybe even a job.
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Brainwashed supporters? and you dont think you are brainwashed? you automatically think Vancier is right. And he doesnt put down Victor Vancier.
It's gutb4!
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You are probably a kid who got picked on, and beat up in school, and who can talk behind a keyboard, but cant around REAL people who arent his mom and dad.
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Chaimfan, do you believe that Dominator96 at least changes condoms when he finishes sleeping with certain shas rabbis and he heads over to Haivris place?
Youre a sick son of a [deleted], who needs to get a life besides for some internet forum. Maybe get a girlfriend or something, maybe even a job.
Wow at least we know you use protection. Believe me, it's necessary when you are with these types of corrupt people. Anyhow, what makes you think that I don't have any of those things you claimed I lack. I guess that line was as accurate as a shas members testimony can get. You will burn in hellfire for attacking Chaim Ben Pesach who is one of the greatest jewish heroes of the past 200 years.
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Victor Vancier is a great man who has done a lot for Jews in the past, and who has sacrificed many years of his life for other Jews. But there is no reason to talk about Yekutiel in a negative aspect. All I was saying is that you shouldnt criticize Tzvi for saying he would give to Torah websites over JTF, because he thinks his money would get used better there.
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Chaimfan, do you believe that Dominator96 at least changes condoms when he finishes sleeping with certain shas rabbis and he heads over to Haivris place?
Youre a sick son of a [deleted], who needs to get a life besides for some internet forum. Maybe get a girlfriend or something, maybe even a job.
Wow at least we know you use protection. Believe me, it's necessary when you are with these types of corrupt people. Anyhow, what makes you think that I don't have any of those things you claimed I lack. I guess that line was as accurate as a shas members testimony can get. You will burn in hellfire for attacking Chaim Ben Pesach who is one of the greatest jewish heroes of the past 200 years.
I think you are exaggerating a little bit. He has done alot for Jews, but I dont think he is one of the greatest Jewish heroes of the past 200 years.
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You are probably a kid who got picked on, and beat up in school, and who can talk behind a keyboard, but cant around REAL people who arent his mom and dad.
Domainator96, I can assure you that you wouldn't even last 5 seconds in a fight with me. You better be careful who you speak to especially when you know nothing about them. I am not ovadia yosef who simply lies down and allows you to do whatever your heart desires to him whether it be sexual or not.
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I swear you will burn in Hell for that comment about Hacham Ovadia. I know you arent religious, but you will roast for that sick comment about a man who has written over 30 Sefarim, and in my view is the most important Torah scholar since the Chida. (200 years)
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You are going to far, have respect for the the chief rabbinate.
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I will at least point out to everyone that your spelling is slightly better than Tzvi Ben Roshel's.
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Dominater, does your mom know you are trolling on her computer at 3 a.m.?
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Hopefully with Hashems help you will realize the truth. Best of Luck to you.
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You didn't answer my question. ;)
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First of all what buisness does dwi- have going on here and attacking me for posting a Shiur for Jews to listin to?
If he doesn't like the Shiur, or my links, then let him just ignore them and not click on my posts. I posted a good shiur, and he goes bananas for nothing but hatred.
Anyway denominator- the last post you have written I disagree with that. We shouldn't hope for people like him to realise the truth, after all the lashon Hara and all the evil speach he has done and is doing, I hope he has no chance, BUT I hope that other Jews dont get influenced by this Rasha.
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First of all what buisness does dwi- have going on here and attacking me for posting a Shiur for Jews to listin to?
If he doesn't like the Shiur, or my links, then let him just ignore them and not click on my posts. I posted a good shiur, and he goes bananas for nothing but hatred.
Anyway denominator- the last post you have written I disagree with that. We shouldn't hope for people like him to realise the truth, after all the lashon Hara and all the evil speach he has done and is doing, I hope he has no chance, BUT I hope that other Jews dont get influenced by this Rasha.
And what business do you have attacking Chabad Lubavitch? I hope you are punished for totally defaming and spreading blood libels against totally innocent jews.
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First of all what buisness does dwi- have going on here and attacking me for posting a Shiur for Jews to listin to?
If he doesn't like the Shiur, or my links, then let him just ignore them and not click on my posts. I posted a good shiur, and he goes bananas for nothing but hatred.
Anyway denominator- the last post you have written I disagree with that. We shouldn't hope for people like him to realise the truth, after all the lashon Hara and all the evil speach he has done and is doing, I hope he has no chance, BUT I hope that other Jews dont get influenced by this Rasha.
And what business do you have attacking Chabad Lubavitch? I hope you are punished for totally defaming and spreading blood libels against totally innocent jews.
You attacked me and Sefardi Rabbanim way before Lubavitch was even mentioned, so dont make excuses.
And I didn't attack them the way you are trying to make it sound. At the very beginning I was addressing Lubab for what he suggested that maybe Rav Ovadia Yosef Shlita, should be excommunicated and I told him, not to go looking at different groups, but to first look into his own movement and work on correcting themselves. And I said if anything he shouldn't speak about others because their are more problems within his movement. I never said explicitly that they (all expecially) should be excommunicated, etc. Nor have I used name calling and all the pervese language you use. Then their was a discussion on different threads having to do between Lubab and Judea, and I also wrote my opinion and what I have learned to the discussion and expecially to the response by Lubab's statement- "... embodiement of G-d" which I strongly disagreed and still disagree with, becuase I dont see that as compatible with Judasim.
For you to compare yourself to me, their should be Lehavdi thousands of times, becuase I will never go down to your level, G-d forbid.