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I'm getting more and more sickened at what my 1rst grade son is learning from his teacher at public school. He's already come home from school saying he wants Obama to be president, and he can already identify someone as being 'African American' ; And I havent discussed either of these topics with him.
Unfortunately private school is too expensive in my area.. and home schooling isnt an option as my wife works. How am I supposed to shield him from this type of propaganda?
Brian
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I'm getting more and more sickened at what my 1rst grade son is learning from his teacher at public school. He's already come home from school saying he wants Obama to be president, and he can already identify someone as being 'African American' ; And I havent discussed either of these topics with him.
Unfortunately private school is too expensive in my area.. and home schooling isnt an option as my wife works. How am I supposed to shield him from this type of propaganda?
Brian
Wow that is sad Brian. I don't know if private school would be better cause says who you won't get some retarded liberal teacher there? I think your only hope is to move to a part of the country where lots of bible believing christians reside(if you are not jewish) or to move to israel if you are jewish.
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I'm getting more and more sickened at what my 1rst grade son is learning from his teacher at public school. He's already come home from school saying he wants Obama to be president, and he can already identify someone as being 'African American' ; And I havent discussed either of these topics with him.
Unfortunately private school is too expensive in my area.. and home schooling isnt an option as my wife works. How am I supposed to shield him from this type of propaganda?
Brian
Wow that is sad Brian. I don't know if private school would be better cause says who you won't get some retarded liberal teacher there? I think your only hope is to move to a part of the country where lots of bible believing christians reside(if you are not jewish) or to move to israel if you are jewish.
I wish I could relocate, but my wife and I have a lot of family here in So. Cali. I just want to shield him some how from this.
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wow all these black teachers trying to brainwash innocent kids for Obama to win. Thats messed up u got to be careful about choosing schools for your son. Why would he even mention anything about election to a first grade kids?? i say you should make a meeting with teacher and confront him and ask him why is he talking to first grade kids about election which has nothing to do with 1st grade material..
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No problem with learning what is African American heritage. But I thought American schools were democratic and didn't do political indoctrination..... it seems the situation is worse than I thought. Here in Argentina, no teacher would do political propagabda at school.
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The only way is to talk with him about those two topics.
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I feel for you al ot. Yes I have three kids I had been lucky they have had a great education.
Sometimes their subjects I didn't agree on. But I make sure they had a informed education. Thats all you can do.
Just allow them to have access to the other point of view.
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No problem with learning what is African American heritage. But I thought American schools were democratic and didn't do political indoctrination..... it seems the situation is worse than I thought. Here in Argentina, no teacher would do political propagabda at school.
No, the public schools are a cespool of political indoctrination. I was working at a public high school a few years back, and on the last day of school, they promised the kids they would get to watch 'shrek' in their assembly room, and when that day came, they claimed to have lost the Shrek video, and showed Fahrenheit 911 instead.
I know kids have to learn about cultures, which I am all for, but teaching kids racial categories at 6 years old is absurd. Imagine if they taught kindergarteners how to physically recognize a 'white' person. Its just not age appropriate.
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No problem with learning what is African American heritage.
Raul - I feel like banging my head against the wall when you start talking about African culture. I'd love to stick you in Crown Heights for a while and see how long it takes before you RUN back to Buenos Aires..
Brian, I'm sorry to hear about what's happening to your son. I know I'm not a parent, but one day I will be.. and the first thing that I would do if I was in your situation is storm in that school and scream at the principle and the teacher for indoctrinating my child, and make sure everyone else in the area hears about it. What they're doing is illegal, threaten them with local newspapers..
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No problem with learning what is African American heritage.
Raul - I feel like banging my head against the wall when you start talking about African culture. I'd love to stick you in Crown Heights for a while and see how long it takes before you RUN back to Buenos Aires..
Brian, I'm sorry to hear about what's happening to your son. I know I'm not a parent, but one day I will be.. and the first thing that I would do if I was in your situation is storm in that school and scream at the principle and the teacher for indoctrinating my child, and make sure everyone else in the area hears about it. What they're doing is illegal, threaten them with local newspapers..
Hey Vito. I actually already did, with another parent, about an unrelated issue, and the teacher refused to listen to us, and rudely and abruptly ran out during our parent/teacher conference, so I complained to the principal, and nothing has been done since.
Tenured teachers and administrators in public school live in a parallel universe where they are completely untouchable. It is impossible to fire them. All the principals can do is say, dont do it again!!, and at worst, 'write them up' which is meaningless too. I knew one Vice Principal (A black one) who would never show up on time, would always SLEEP in his corner office, would use derogatory terms against whites, AND I found porno on his school computer, and reported it. I led a campaign to fire him, tracking everything he did, and it was useless. No adminsitrator would dare stand up against this guy, and the Union had already blocked a previous attempt to fire him. Thankfully, he finally retired (but our taxes are now paying his absurdly large $65,000/yr pension.
So basically, Im just focusing on making sure my son doesn't become one of them. (I still havent taken him to a gunshow yet though :( )
There are GOOD teachers (Myself and my wife included :) ) but the bad ones are untouchable.
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No problem with learning what is African American heritage. But I thought American schools were democratic and didn't do political indoctrination..... it seems the situation is worse than I thought. Here in Argentina, no teacher would do political propagabda at school.
I have to agree with you Raul. It's problematic that they're even involving 1st graders (IN SCHOOL) with the election. It's not like they're in 8th grade where U.S. history is taught and then the election could be talked about. But in 1st grade? That does sound like propaganda.
Briann, are your son's teachers black? You can actually take them to court for not teaching them lessons not based on curriculum.
I have to also say that I don't think that it's wrong for a 1st grader to call blacks African American.After all , that's who they are.
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Unfortunately elementary school is where the indoctrination begins, along with early childhood tv programming. If I were you I would limit his tv watching and make sure that he gets a steady diet of the right ideas. You have to combat this aggressively or he will be brainwashed.
Don't be too harsh about it though or you can send him in the opposite direction of what you want, of course, but make sure that you calmly teach him the correct and moral things.
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No problem with learning what is African American heritage.
Raul - I feel like banging my head against the wall when you start talking about African culture. I'd love to stick you in Crown Heights for a while and see how long it takes before you RUN back to Buenos Aires..
Brian, I'm sorry to hear about what's happening to your son. I know I'm not a parent, but one day I will be.. and the first thing that I would do if I was in your situation is storm in that school and scream at the principle and the teacher for indoctrinating my child, and make sure everyone else in the area hears about it. What they're doing is illegal, threaten them with local newspapers..
Don't mislead him. The ones in crown heights are GHETTO! And believe it or not, most blacks do not live in ghettos. So of course you're going to see the worse of the worse of blacks in crown heights.
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I'm getting more and more sickened at what my 1rst grade son is learning from his teacher at public school. He's already come home from school saying he wants Obama to be president, and he can already identify someone as being 'African American' ; And I havent discussed either of these topics with him.
Unfortunately private school is too expensive in my area.. and home schooling isnt an option as my wife works. How am I supposed to shield him from this type of propaganda?
Brian
No problem with learning what is African American heritage. But I thought American schools were democratic and didn't do political indoctrination..... it seems the situation is worse than I thought. Here in Argentina, no teacher would do political propagabda at school.
I have to agree with you Raul. It's problematic that they're even involving 1st graders (IN SCHOOL) with the election. It's not like they're in 8th grade where U.S. history is taught and then the election could be talked about. But in 1st grade? That does sound like propaganda.
Briann, are your son's teachers black? You can actually take them to court for not teaching them lessons not based on curriculum.
I have to also say that I don't think that it's wrong for a 1st grader to call blacks African American.After all , that's who they are.
No, my son's teacher is white, and very young, and very partisan. (Lets not forget how many whites support Obama) And she is not an exception at all. There are dozens more just like her. Also, you don't understand, the lawyers that would fight on her behalf have unbeleivably deep pockets. She's represented by the UTLA (United teachers of Los Angeles) which outspent Arnold 3 to 1 (Approaching 200 million dollars) in order to campaign against his special election to break the power of the unions. If I try to take her to court, they WILL win.
Gee errr ummm. I am a white person, and theres nothing wrong with calling ME 'white' either... HOWEVER, there IS something wrong with teaching students racial classifications at such an early age. I don't think this is appropriate for 6 year olds.
Think about it... how exactly would she teach this to them??? Maybe she can have my son stand up in front of the class.. and say... now kids.. notice the narrow nose ridge, and the hair color is not black... therefore he is classified as a 'white'. But I guess theres nothing wrong with that.. since he is 'white' (Well... part-white)
Brian
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Unfortunately elementary school is where the indoctrination begins, along with early childhood tv programming. If I were you I would limit his tv watching and make sure that he gets a steady diet of the right ideas. You have to combat this aggressively or he will be brainwashed.
Don't be too harsh about it though or you can send him in the opposite direction of what you want, of course, but make sure that you calmly teach him the correct and moral things.
Yeahh.. thats sorta the route Im trying to go.
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No problem with learning what is African American heritage.
Raul - I feel like banging my head against the wall when you start talking about African culture. I'd love to stick you in Crown Heights for a while and see how long it takes before you RUN back to Buenos Aires..
Brian, I'm sorry to hear about what's happening to your son. I know I'm not a parent, but one day I will be.. and the first thing that I would do if I was in your situation is storm in that school and scream at the principle and the teacher for indoctrinating my child, and make sure everyone else in the area hears about it. What they're doing is illegal, threaten them with local newspapers..
Don't mislead him. The ones in crown heights are GHETTO! And believe it or not, most blacks do not live in ghettos. So of course you're going to see the worse of the worse of blacks in crown heights.
Let me rephrase myself... Raul, go into ANY black neighborhood. There is no such thing as a non-ghetto black neighborhood. They're all rancid.
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No problem with learning what is African American heritage.
Raul - I feel like banging my head against the wall when you start talking about African culture. I'd love to stick you in Crown Heights for a while and see how long it takes before you RUN back to Buenos Aires..
Brian, I'm sorry to hear about what's happening to your son. I know I'm not a parent, but one day I will be.. and the first thing that I would do if I was in your situation is storm in that school and scream at the principle and the teacher for indoctrinating my child, and make sure everyone else in the area hears about it. What they're doing is illegal, threaten them with local newspapers..
Don't mislead him. The ones in crown heights are GHETTO! And believe it or not, most blacks do not live in ghettos. So of course you're going to see the worse of the worse of blacks in crown heights.
Let me rephrase myself... Raul, go into ANY black neighborhood. There is no such thing as a non-ghetto black neighborhood. They're all rancid.
So you've been to every black neighborhood?
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No problem with learning what is African American heritage.
Raul - I feel like banging my head against the wall when you start talking about African culture. I'd love to stick you in Crown Heights for a while and see how long it takes before you RUN back to Buenos Aires..
Brian, I'm sorry to hear about what's happening to your son. I know I'm not a parent, but one day I will be.. and the first thing that I would do if I was in your situation is storm in that school and scream at the principle and the teacher for indoctrinating my child, and make sure everyone else in the area hears about it. What they're doing is illegal, threaten them with local newspapers..
Don't mislead him. The ones in crown heights are GHETTO! And believe it or not, most blacks do not live in ghettos. So of course you're going to see the worse of the worse of blacks in crown heights.
Let me rephrase myself... Raul, go into ANY black neighborhood. There is no such thing as a non-ghetto black neighborhood. They're all rancid.
So you've been to every black neighborhood?
In NYC, much of N.J and Hartford, and eastern C.T
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I'm getting more and more sickened at what my 1rst grade son is learning from his teacher at public school. He's already come home from school saying he wants Obama to be president, and he can already identify someone as being 'African American' ; And I havent discussed either of these topics with him.
Unfortunately private school is too expensive in my area.. and home schooling isnt an option as my wife works. How am I supposed to shield him from this type of propaganda?
Brian
No problem with learning what is African American heritage. But I thought American schools were democratic and didn't do political indoctrination..... it seems the situation is worse than I thought. Here in Argentina, no teacher would do political propagabda at school.
I have to agree with you Raul. It's problematic that they're even involving 1st graders (IN SCHOOL) with the election. It's not like they're in 8th grade where U.S. history is taught and then the election could be talked about. But in 1st grade? That does sound like propaganda.
Briann, are your son's teachers black? You can actually take them to court for not teaching them lessons not based on curriculum.
I have to also say that I don't think that it's wrong for a 1st grader to call blacks African American.After all , that's who they are.
No, my son's teacher is white, and very young, and very partisan. (Lets not forget how many whites support Obama) And she is not an exception at all. There are dozens more just like her. Also, you don't understand, the lawyers that would fight on her behalf have unbeleivably deep pockets. She's represented by the UTLA (United teachers of Los Angeles) which outspent Arnold 3 to 1 (Approaching 200 million dollars) in order to campaign against his special election to break the power of the unions. If I try to take her to court, they WILL win.
Gee errr ummm. I am a white person, and theres nothing wrong with calling ME 'white' either... HOWEVER, there IS something wrong with teaching students racial classifications at such an early age. I don't think this is appropriate for 6 year olds.
Think about it... how exactly would she teach this to them??? Maybe she can have my son stand up in front of the class.. and say... now kids.. notice the narrow nose ridge, and the hair color is not black... therefore he is classified as a 'white'. But I guess theres nothing wrong with that.. since he is 'white' (Well... part-white)
Brian
What would you rather your son call black people? What have you told him of blacks' skin color?
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No problem with learning what is African American heritage.
Raul - I feel like banging my head against the wall when you start talking about African culture. I'd love to stick you in Crown Heights for a while and see how long it takes before you RUN back to Buenos Aires..
Brian, I'm sorry to hear about what's happening to your son. I know I'm not a parent, but one day I will be.. and the first thing that I would do if I was in your situation is storm in that school and scream at the principle and the teacher for indoctrinating my child, and make sure everyone else in the area hears about it. What they're doing is illegal, threaten them with local newspapers..
Don't mislead him. The ones in crown heights are GHETTO! And believe it or not, most blacks do not live in ghettos. So of course you're going to see the worse of the worse of blacks in crown heights.
Let me rephrase myself... Raul, go into ANY black neighborhood. There is no such thing as a non-ghetto black neighborhood. They're all rancid.
So you've been to every black neighborhood?
In NYC, much of N.J and Hartford, and eastern C.T
But you just said "all black neighborhoods are ghetto" (parphrasing). How would you know if you've never seen all of them? I thought the same way (because I was raised in the ghetto), until I saw affluent black communities.
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No problem with learning what is African American heritage.
Raul - I feel like banging my head against the wall when you start talking about African culture. I'd love to stick you in Crown Heights for a while and see how long it takes before you RUN back to Buenos Aires..
Brian, I'm sorry to hear about what's happening to your son. I know I'm not a parent, but one day I will be.. and the first thing that I would do if I was in your situation is storm in that school and scream at the principle and the teacher for indoctrinating my child, and make sure everyone else in the area hears about it. What they're doing is illegal, threaten them with local newspapers..
Don't mislead him. The ones in crown heights are GHETTO! And believe it or not, most blacks do not live in ghettos. So of course you're going to see the worse of the worse of blacks in crown heights.
Let me rephrase myself... Raul, go into ANY black neighborhood. There is no such thing as a non-ghetto black neighborhood. They're all rancid.
So you've been to every black neighborhood?
In NYC, much of N.J and Hartford, and eastern C.T
But you just said "all black neighborhoods are ghetto" (parphrasing). How would you know if you've never seen all of them? I thought the same way (because I was raised in the ghetto), until I saw affluent black communities.
Erica, give me the names of those affluent black communities, I would really love to see them.. I'm not joking.
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No problem with learning what is African American heritage.
Raul - I feel like banging my head against the wall when you start talking about African culture. I'd love to stick you in Crown Heights for a while and see how long it takes before you RUN back to Buenos Aires..
Brian, I'm sorry to hear about what's happening to your son. I know I'm not a parent, but one day I will be.. and the first thing that I would do if I was in your situation is storm in that school and scream at the principle and the teacher for indoctrinating my child, and make sure everyone else in the area hears about it. What they're doing is illegal, threaten them with local newspapers..
Don't mislead him. The ones in crown heights are GHETTO! And believe it or not, most blacks do not live in ghettos. So of course you're going to see the worse of the worse of blacks in crown heights.
Let me rephrase myself... Raul, go into ANY black neighborhood. There is no such thing as a non-ghetto black neighborhood. They're all rancid.
So you've been to every black neighborhood?
In NYC, much of N.J and Hartford, and eastern C.T
But you just said "all black neighborhoods are ghetto" (parphrasing). How would you know if you've never seen all of them? I thought the same way (because I was raised in the ghetto), until I saw affluent black communities.
Erica, give me the names of those affluent black communities, I would really love to see them.. I'm not joking.
University Park, Illinois.... Country Club Hills, Illinois... Matteson, Illinois, Evergreen Park, Illinois... Park Forest, Illinois...
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No problem with learning what is African American heritage.
Now, are these black communities? Or are they affluent communities with a handful of blacks living there?
Raul - I feel like banging my head against the wall when you start talking about African culture. I'd love to stick you in Crown Heights for a while and see how long it takes before you RUN back to Buenos Aires..
Brian, I'm sorry to hear about what's happening to your son. I know I'm not a parent, but one day I will be.. and the first thing that I would do if I was in your situation is storm in that school and scream at the principle and the teacher for indoctrinating my child, and make sure everyone else in the area hears about it. What they're doing is illegal, threaten them with local newspapers..
Don't mislead him. The ones in crown heights are GHETTO! And believe it or not, most blacks do not live in ghettos. So of course you're going to see the worse of the worse of blacks in crown heights.
Let me rephrase myself... Raul, go into ANY black neighborhood. There is no such thing as a non-ghetto black neighborhood. They're all rancid.
So you've been to every black neighborhood?
In NYC, much of N.J and Hartford, and eastern C.T
But you just said "all black neighborhoods are ghetto" (parphrasing). How would you know if you've never seen all of them? I thought the same way (because I was raised in the ghetto), until I saw affluent black communities.
Erica, give me the names of those affluent black communities, I would really love to see them.. I'm not joking.
University Park, Illinois.... Country Club Hills, Illinois... Matteson, Illinois, Evergreen Park, Illinois... Park Forest, Illinois...
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I'm getting more and more sickened at what my 1rst grade son is learning from his teacher at public school. He's already come home from school saying he wants Obama to be president, and he can already identify someone as being 'African American' ; And I havent discussed either of these topics with him.
Unfortunately private school is too expensive in my area.. and home schooling isnt an option as my wife works. How am I supposed to shield him from this type of propaganda?
Brian
No problem with learning what is African American heritage. But I thought American schools were democratic and didn't do political indoctrination..... it seems the situation is worse than I thought. Here in Argentina, no teacher would do political propagabda at school.
I have to agree with you Raul. It's problematic that they're even involving 1st graders (IN SCHOOL) with the election. It's not like they're in 8th grade where U.S. history is taught and then the election could be talked about. But in 1st grade? That does sound like propaganda.
Briann, are your son's teachers black? You can actually take them to court for not teaching them lessons not based on curriculum.
I have to also say that I don't think that it's wrong for a 1st grader to call blacks African American.After all , that's who they are.
No, my son's teacher is white, and very young, and very partisan. (Lets not forget how many whites support Obama) And she is not an exception at all. There are dozens more just like her. Also, you don't understand, the lawyers that would fight on her behalf have unbeleivably deep pockets. She's represented by the UTLA (United teachers of Los Angeles) which outspent Arnold 3 to 1 (Approaching 200 million dollars) in order to campaign against his special election to break the power of the unions. If I try to take her to court, they WILL win.
Gee errr ummm. I am a white person, and theres nothing wrong with calling ME 'white' either... HOWEVER, there IS something wrong with teaching students racial classifications at such an early age. I don't think this is appropriate for 6 year olds.
Think about it... how exactly would she teach this to them??? Maybe she can have my son stand up in front of the class.. and say... now kids.. notice the narrow nose ridge, and the hair color is not black... therefore he is classified as a 'white'. But I guess theres nothing wrong with that.. since he is 'white' (Well... part-white)
Brian
What would you rather your son call black people? What have you told him of blacks' skin color?
Erica. My son goes to a diverse school, and in his class there are Indian kids who have darker skin than the black student. When he physcially describes one of his students who I'm not aware of, he DOES use physical traits hair/skin/eye color along with height/hair length/texture etc but does not say... Bobby is white... Jimmy is S. Asian. etc.
I do not want my teacher to discuss the categories of what make people a racial category at his age. its THAT simple. I dont want Mrs. Liberal to say, Raja is NOT black because even though his skin is dark, his hair is straight, and his nose isnt flat, etc etc. THIS IS ABSURD!!
How can you not see that this is WRONG for first graders?????? My god.. the world is going CRAZY!!
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I'm getting more and more sickened at what my 1rst grade son is learning from his teacher at public school. He's already come home from school saying he wants Obama to be president, and he can already identify someone as being 'African American' ; And I havent discussed either of these topics with him.
Unfortunately private school is too expensive in my area.. and home schooling isnt an option as my wife works. How am I supposed to shield him from this type of propaganda?
Brian
No problem with learning what is African American heritage. But I thought American schools were democratic and didn't do political indoctrination..... it seems the situation is worse than I thought. Here in Argentina, no teacher would do political propagabda at school.
I have to agree with you Raul. It's problematic that they're even involving 1st graders (IN SCHOOL) with the election. It's not like they're in 8th grade where U.S. history is taught and then the election could be talked about. But in 1st grade? That does sound like propaganda.
Briann, are your son's teachers black? You can actually take them to court for not teaching them lessons not based on curriculum.
I have to also say that I don't think that it's wrong for a 1st grader to call blacks African American.After all , that's who they are.
No, my son's teacher is white, and very young, and very partisan. (Lets not forget how many whites support Obama) And she is not an exception at all. There are dozens more just like her. Also, you don't understand, the lawyers that would fight on her behalf have unbeleivably deep pockets. She's represented by the UTLA (United teachers of Los Angeles) which outspent Arnold 3 to 1 (Approaching 200 million dollars) in order to campaign against his special election to break the power of the unions. If I try to take her to court, they WILL win.
Gee errr ummm. I am a white person, and theres nothing wrong with calling ME 'white' either... HOWEVER, there IS something wrong with teaching students racial classifications at such an early age. I don't think this is appropriate for 6 year olds.
Think about it... how exactly would she teach this to them??? Maybe she can have my son stand up in front of the class.. and say... now kids.. notice the narrow nose ridge, and the hair color is not black... therefore he is classified as a 'white'. But I guess theres nothing wrong with that.. since he is 'white' (Well... part-white)
Brian
What would you rather your son call black people? What have you told him of blacks' skin color?
Erica. My son goes to a diverse school, and in his class there are Indian kids who have darker skin than the black student. When he physcially describes one of his students who I'm not aware of, he DOES use physical traits hair/skin/eye color along with height/hair length/texture etc but does not say... Bobby is white... Jimmy is S. Asian. etc.
I do not want my teacher to discuss the categories of what make people a racial category at his age. its THAT simple. I dont want Mrs. Liberal to say, Raja is NOT black because even though his skin is dark, his hair is straight, and his nose isnt flat, etc etc. THIS IS ABSURD!!
How can you not see that this is WRONG for first graders?????? My G-d.. the world is going CRAZY!!
First of all, I just asked an innocent question. I didn't go into you being wrong about anything. Second, I raised my daughters the same way, briann. Instead of calling their friends black or white they'd use colors or even flavors to describe them. When we colored together my daughters would either use peach/ flesh colored crayons to color the child with white people's hair or use the brown crayon to color the child with an afro hairstyle. That's how they learn. It wasn't until recently that a couple of my daughters started using "black" to describe someone. In fact, my almost 17 year old calls white people, 'light skinned".
I actually had a 1st grade teacher who taught at our all black school who couldn't stop referring to black kids as 'that stupid black girl/boy'. That is what creates racism early in young children's lives.
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Erica... I knew you were on my side on this. Ive always said... that the teachers who push racial categories to innocent children do way more harm than good.
They will obviously learn this stuff later on, so its not as though they 'll go through life ignorant of what other people are talking about.
If you push racial categories at a young age, you promote that it is perfectly alright to categorize people based upon something they have no control over. They think their pushing tolerance, but in 90% of the kids they are pushing an Us vs them attitude, AND promoting victimization.
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I'm out of this site. Too many racist StørmFrønt wannabees.
Edit by Ruby:
You should really make just one more post so you don't end your post count at 88. That's a bad, bad number.
(tried to reply, but hit the wrong button)
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I'm out of this site. Too many racist StørmFrønt wannabees.
And to think, it was my post that got ridda him.. I'm such a shameful individual :::D
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I have 2, an 8 year old boy and a 5 year old girl. I have not run into this problem yet, however, I live in Tampa, FL, not SoCal. I am sure you could find a better place to live with regard to this issue. I would see if you could find other like-minded parents in your district and make a stink. Try a conservative news media to see if they're interested in your story [sometimes FOX news does stories like this on Hannity and Combs or O'Reilly Factor].
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I'm out of this site. Too many racist StørmFrønt wannabees.
Are you kidding? We boot anybody from StørmFrønt. Erica is black, we don't have a problem with her being on the forum...
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^ Yeah I know. Just overreacted a lil to a comment
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Brian, so sorry to hear this and even more sorry to inform you this is just the beginning. I have two kids already in high school. One in a Catholic school and one in a public school, but it is a public school that you need to actually test for admittance into, it is considered one of the three elite public schools here in NYC. They both went to Catholic school for elementary school. While private school, in my opinion anyway, is much more preferable than public education it is far from perfect.
My son, in 8th grade, was taught by a nun that the Crusaders were the aggressors against the peaceful islamic world. This same nun also had the kids say "native American" whenever they read the word Indian, even if it actually says Indian in the book.
My daughter took the National Merit Scholarship. She recieved the commended scholar award, that is the second level. The top level is the actual National Merit scholarship. My daughter(half white/half asian), and three other white girls recieved the commended award. A black girl and a hispanic girl recieved the National Black merit Scholarship and the National Hispanic Merit Scholarship even though they both scored lower than the four white girls and even though they all attend the same private school.
Even though both my kids are excellent students grade wise and do very well in school they had no clue who Presley O'Bannon was, that George Custer was at Gettysburg, did not ever hear of a revolutionary war commander even though we live on a street named after him, never heard of Anzio, never heard of Charles Martel or Jon Sobieski, did not know what the Nuremberg trials or the McCarthy hearings were, this list could go on for pages. Just trying to make a point of how certain things are conviently left out of education. I have made sure that I educated them where school was lacking. I unfortunetly cannot do this with math though but I guess there is not much political indoctrination that can be done in mathematics, is there?
Brian, about confronting the teachers. I have done so in the past and was on the verge of doing so just this week once again. There is a double, actually multiple edged sword, here. First, as sad as this sounds, your kid then becomes a target of these radical lefty teachers. Second, your child gets embarressed by his fellow students. First grade this might not be a big issue yet but it will be in a few years. Third, because of these first two things it can alienate your own kid against accepting knowledge from you. I am far from an expert, just relaying my opinion based on my experience. My best advice would be to continue to educate your children to the truth and when they are old enough they will understand the difference between the truth and what they need to do just for the grades.
What got me going this week was seeing my sons school newspaper. It seems one of the clubs had a guest speaker, a former black panther. When the speaker was asked what the biggest mistake the panthers made was his reply was not that they hated white people or killed cops but that they should have been more liberal with promoting women in their ranks. I was fuming and was going to complain to the principal but my son was begging me not to because of the ramifacations that would come back to him. Yes, I am the parent and when absolutely neccesary I will confront what needs to be confronted but also as a parent you need to know when to pick a fight with your childs concerns thought of.
There were two lines in the movie the Patriot that make me always think of this dilemna of being a parent and a patriotic American. The Mel Gibson character said, " I have a family, I don't have the luxury of principles". The Heath Ledger character replied, "When I have a family I won't hide behind them".
It's tough, I know from experience. I don't know if I said anything helpful, I probably ranted and rambled more than anything else, but I truly know what you are going through.
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I'm sorry you have to go through this Brian, but it's just another part of the dumbing down of America by liberals. I think as long as you reinforce in your son to think independantly he will turn out fine in the end and forget this early indoctrination. Keep the faith. O0
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I'm getting more and more sickened at what my 1rst grade son is learning from his teacher at public school. He's already come home from school saying he wants Obama to be president, and he can already identify someone as being 'African American' ; And I havent discussed either of these topics with him.
Unfortunately private school is too expensive in my area.. and home schooling isnt an option as my wife works. How am I supposed to shield him from this type of propaganda?
Brian
Is it possible for you to complain to an administrator at the school? Would the principal or someone else be willing to listen to your complaints?
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wow all these black teachers trying to brainwash innocent kids for Obama to win. Thats messed up u got to be careful about choosing schools for your son. Why would he even mention anything about election to a first grade kids?? i say you should make a meeting with teacher and confront him and ask him why is he talking to first grade kids about election which has nothing to do with 1st grade material..
Brian never said that the teacher is black.
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Hey Vito. I actually already did, with another parent, about an unrelated issue, and the teacher refused to listen to us, and rudely and abruptly ran out during our parent/teacher conference, so I complained to the principal, and nothing has been done since.
Tenured teachers and administrators in public school live in a parallel universe where they are completely untouchable. It is impossible to fire them. All the principals can do is say, dont do it again!!, and at worst, 'write them up' which is meaningless too. I knew one Vice Principal (A black one) who would never show up on time, would always SLEEP in his corner office, would use derogatory terms against whites, AND I found porno on his school computer, and reported it. I led a campaign to fire him, tracking everything he did, and it was useless. No adminsitrator would dare stand up against this guy, and the Union had already blocked a previous attempt to fire him. Thankfully, he finally retired (but our taxes are now paying his absurdly large $65,000/yr pension.
So basically, Im just focusing on making sure my son doesn't become one of them. (I still havent taken him to a gunshow yet though :( )
There are GOOD teachers (Myself and my wife included :) ) but the bad ones are untouchable.
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If he retired, why does he receive a pension like that annually?
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Erica... I knew you were on my side on this. Ive always said... that the teachers who push racial categories to innocent children do way more harm than good.
They will obviously learn this stuff later on, so its not as though they 'll go through life ignorant of what other people are talking about.
If you push racial categories at a young age, you promote that it is perfectly alright to categorize people based upon something they have no control over. They think their pushing tolerance, but in 90% of the kids they are pushing an Us vs them attitude, AND promoting victimization.
And that's exactly what many of the politicians keep doing in the Democrat party. They keep identifying voters by racial categories.
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Hey Vito. I actually already did, with another parent, about an unrelated issue, and the teacher refused to listen to us, and rudely and abruptly ran out during our parent/teacher conference, so I complained to the principal, and nothing has been done since.
Tenured teachers and administrators in public school live in a parallel universe where they are completely untouchable. It is impossible to fire them. All the principals can do is say, dont do it again!!, and at worst, 'write them up' which is meaningless too. I knew one Vice Principal (A black one) who would never show up on time, would always SLEEP in his corner office, would use derogatory terms against whites, AND I found porno on his school computer, and reported it. I led a campaign to fire him, tracking everything he did, and it was useless. No adminsitrator would dare stand up against this guy, and the Union had already blocked a previous attempt to fire him. Thankfully, he finally retired (but our taxes are now paying his absurdly large $65,000/yr pension.
So basically, Im just focusing on making sure my son doesn't become one of them. (I still havent taken him to a gunshow yet though :( )
There are GOOD teachers (Myself and my wife included :) ) but the bad ones are untouchable.
If he retired, why does he receive a pension like that annually?
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Thats just a typical administrative pension. Its partially why California is experiencing so many budget problems.
Brian