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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Chaim Ben Pesach on March 21, 2008, 05:36:02 AM
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בס''ד
I believe that we are ready to start planning the first "Jews Against Obama" public event.
JTFers! WE NEED YOUR IDEAS AND SUGGESTIONS!
Here are some of the questions we must answer:
1. Should we hold a press conference announcing "Jews Against Obama"? Remember that the news media doesn't like us, so we are not going to get tremendous coverage. In fact, we may get nothing. But is it worth a try? And the coverage will probably be negative. They will call us racists, extremists, and they may bring up my past as a convicted bomber. I don't care what they say as long as the group gets publicity. If we get publicity, it may bring us more members, G-d willing, and for us, that's the name of the game. Our goal is to become a mass movement, not to please the media.
2. If we hold a press conference, where would it be? I think it has to be in New York. But where in New York? At a hotel, or at a synagogue, or on a street corner outside Democrat party headquarters? We may have a hard time finding a place that is willing to allow us to hold a press conference. This is controversial and people are afraid. Any suggestions? (Of course, on a street corner, we don't need permission. We just need to notify the police.)
3. If we hold a press conference, how many of our supporters are willing to attend? You could wind up being seen on television or on the internet. And when would be a good time to hold it?
4. Instead of a press conference, we could hold a demonstration. Or we could announce we are holding the first meeting of Jews Against Obama at a hotel. Any thoughts or suggestions?
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בס''ד
I believe that we are ready to start planning the first "Jews Against Obama" public event.
JTFers! WE NEED YOUR IDEAS AND SUGGESTIONS!
Here are some of the questions we must answer:
1. Should we hold a press conference announcing "Jews Against Obama"? Remember that the news media doesn't like us, so we are not going to get tremendous coverage. In fact, we may get nothing. But is it worth a try? And the coverage will probably be negative. They will call us racists, extremists, and they may bring up my past as a convicted bomber. I don't care what they say as long as the group gets publicity. If we get publicity, it may bring us more members, G-d willing, and for us, that's the name of the game. Our goal is to become a mass movement, not to please the media.
2. If we hold a press conference, where would it be? I think it has to be in New York. But where in New York? At a hotel, or at a synagogue, or on a street corner outside Democrat party headquarters? We may have a hard time finding a place that is willing to allow us to hold a press conference. This is controversial and people are afraid. Any suggestions? (Of course, on a street corner, we don't need permission. We just need to notify the police.)
3. If we hold a press conference, how many of our supporters are willing to attend? You could wind up being seen on television or on the internet. And when would be a good time to hold it?
4. Instead of a press conference, we could hold a demonstration. Or we could announce we are holding the first meeting of Jews Against Obama at a hotel. Any thoughts or suggestions?
A public event might not be a bad idea however the question I have been stumped over is where to hold it. I think it should be in New York for the simple reason that if we announce the event on the QPTV shows we may actually get some folks from that venue to also show up. The larger question is where exactly and what sort of event would be better. Whatever we plan we need to do something that will make our members who participate feel safe and willing to show up. We need numbers.
An event out on the street needs to be in a place that has exposure and may even have something else related to the presidential race going on that day. The thing that I feel would work best however would be to possibly hold some form of JTF Jews Against Obama Rally in a hotel or hall. We would have to figure how to deal with the financial problems that brings. We would also need to invite as much of the press we can get. But that option I feel we would be able to control the best and may actually give our movement here at JTF the push it needs into the mass movement category.
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In front of CNN or ABC headquarters?
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Yes, safety will be an issue. We will need to figure out how to provide security.
Meeting in front of a media headquarters would not work. The media doesn't like when you come to them and become pushy about getting coverage. Going to their headquarters would be perceived as pushy.
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Our best way to get attention would be to do something at an Obama event here in the City. Either trying to confront him directly about his anti-semitism, anti-white racism, and positions on Israel if possible or by holding a protest of Obama outside of the event. It is certain that there will be tons of media at the event; and being that most of these campaign events are generic and boring "Jews against Obama" would likely be a new and interesting angle for the media to report on.
There would also be a heavy police presence at an Obama event.
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If we don't hold a press conference then the result will be zero.
Holding a pc might bring negative coverage for JTF but also publicity.
Many people watching the coverage may wonder if the facs are true or if JTF is crazy therefore it'll be necessary to provide some hard facts including evidence.
As far as the place is concerned I think a synagogue is not a good choice because it's too special for the leftist media.
A street corner would be cheap but security issues are difficult to handle there and what are you going to do if it rains?
A hotel or hall seems to be better in this regard. Question is if you can find something that isn't too expensive.
Personally I'm against doing a demonstration only, because on such an occasion you can only communicate some hollow slogans which isn't convincing nor is it professional.
And what concerns your past as a convicted bomber Chaim, it would be good if there was at least one more spokesman on this pc, for example David Ben Moshe because if you are the only one than the readers/listeners will have the impression JTF=100% criminals. The more spokesmen have the word the better because then the media will not be able to concetrate solely on you past.
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If we don't hold a press conference then the result will be zero.
Holding a pc might bring negative coverage for JTF but also publicity.
Many people watching the coverage may wonder if the facs are true or if JTF is crazy therefore it'll be necessary to provide some hard facts including evidence.
As far as the place is concerned I think a synagogue is not a good choice because it's too special for the leftist media.
A street corner would be cheap but security issues are difficult to handle there and what are you going to do if it rains?
A hotel or hall seems to be better in this regard. Question is if you can find something that isn't too expensive.
Personally I'm against doing a demonstration only, because on such an occasion you can only communicate some hollow slogans which isn't convincing nor is it professional.
And what concerns your past as a convicted bomber Chaim, it would be good if there was at least one more spokesman on this pc, for example David Ben Moshe because if you are the only one than the readers/listeners will have the impression JTF=100% criminals. The more spokesmen have the word the better because then the media will not be able to concetrate solely on you past.
The media is very superficial in the United States. If we get any television coverage, it will be only a 10 second "sound bite" in which we will be able to say very little.
Hotels and halls may be afraid to let us meet there. I would prefer a hotel, but I think it will be hard to find one that is willing to let us meet. They are a private business and we cannot force them to let us meet.
The most we are going to get from the media is a very brief mention. But the goal is to attract publicity. If we get publicity, maybe we can try to get on some talk shows.
My past as a convicted bomber is usually something that attracts MORE publicity. The media may want to "expose" who is really behind Jews Against Obama. They love doing stories where they "expose" something. This way they can pretend that they are serious investigative journalists. They may want to "expose" that the spokesman for the anti-Obama Jewish campaign is a convicted bomber. Since the media worships Obama, they would love to "expose" his critics. But that would be good for us. If it brings us more attention, people will hopefully search for us on the internet.
Also, if I can succeed in just making the accusation that Obama is an anti-Semite, that may hurt Obama with Jewish voters. I did this to Jesse Jackson in the 1980s, and to David Dinkins, who was the black Mayor of New York in the 1990s. Many Jews are already uncomfortable with Obama, and are aware of his association with black Jew-haters. If Jewish voters hear someone claiming that Obama himself is an anti-Semite, it could damage his campaign.
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BTW, if people have ideas other than press conferences or demonstrations or rallies, please share them with us. Anything that will enable us to damage Obama's campaign AND to get new members is welcome.
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Chaim how much time do we have to get something like this together in order for it to be effective. I agree you and your past are a asset when it comes to drawing media attention. The fact that no one was ever hurt because of the bombings and why they were done goes a long way in making that a positive factor. Whatever we decide on we need to have a well organized and responsible event since we may only get one chance to make a big splash so to speak. The media looses interest fast.
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Chaim how much time do we have to get something like this together in order for it to be effective. I agree you and your past are a asset when it comes to drawing media attention. The fact that no one was ever hurt because of the bombings and why they were done goes a long way in making that a positive factor. Whatever we decide on we need to have a well organized and responsible event since we may only get one chance to make a big splash so to speak. The media looses interest fast.
There is no time limit. We can do this whenever we feel that we are ready. I believe that this will remain a hot issue right up until the November election.
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Well, if the media coverage will be superficial anyway than it may also work to add a demonstration where short phrases like Obama=whatever can be used in order to get attention.
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בס''ד
I believe that we are ready to start planning the first "Jews Against Obama" public event.
JTFers! WE NEED YOUR IDEAS AND SUGGESTIONS!
Here are some of the questions we must answer:
1. Should we hold a press conference announcing "Jews Against Obama"? Remember that the news media doesn't like us, so we are not going to get tremendous coverage. In fact, we may get nothing. But is it worth a try? And the coverage will probably be negative. They will call us racists, extremists, and they may bring up my past as a convicted bomber. I don't care what they say as long as the group gets publicity. If we get publicity, it may bring us more members, G-d willing, and for us, that's the name of the game. Our goal is to become a mass movement, not to please the media.
2. If we hold a press conference, where would it be? I think it has to be in New York. But where in New York? At a hotel, or at a synagogue, or on a street corner outside Democrat party headquarters? We may have a hard time finding a place that is willing to allow us to hold a press conference. This is controversial and people are afraid. Any suggestions? (Of course, on a street corner, we don't need permission. We just need to notify the police.)
3. If we hold a press conference, how many of our supporters are willing to attend? You could wind up being seen on television or on the internet. And when would be a good time to hold it?
4. Instead of a press conference, we could hold a demonstration. Or we could announce we are holding the first meeting of Jews Against Obama at a hotel. Any thoughts or suggestions?
It's my understanding that our goal is to be noticed irregardless of what people think. In my opinion, it is best to be in front of the democratic headquarters since the left are zealouts of evil causes and will react with fervent anger and hatred towards and by noticing us we will be noticed. Why don't we let them play into our hands.
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It seems that Rav Kahane had very good methods for getting media coverage. Perhaps we could temper some of these methods to the present situation. We could be really annoying and insulting, yet not violent, to high-ranking Osama aids, for instance. Follow them, taunt them, etc. like the Rav writes about in "History of the JDL".
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Chaim, I think it would be better if you stressed your dedication to the Jewish people and to the high ideals of civilization rather than your past as a bomber. The way to mention that, when and if necessary, is that you were even willing to forego your prediliction for rational argument and to use violence because of your love for the Jewish people and your devotion to a just cause.
In listening to your replies to forum members' questions, I see how much warmth and caring you have for your followers. That part sounds mature and influential. The bomber part - without that context - will most likely get you dismissed as a lightweight leader. Put the goal and the ideal ahead of the means in your presentation.
Just my opinion, for what it's worth.
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Dear Chairman:
I think it could work. Preparation is the key. We need to find out how many JTF supporters would show up. You need a large crowd of JTF supporters, wearing JTF t- shirts or sweatshirts, so the cameras will instantly realize who is a supporter and that we are not a small group to be dismissed. A minimum of 50 or more supporters should be enough to look legitimate. 100 supporters would be much better. You need to come prepared with loudspeakers and a microphone of your own, so you don't get shouted down. Also professional looking signs with devastating but true,short pieces of information against Obama. Large signs advertising your web address and TV show are a must as well. Our Christian supporters should come with signs expressing "Christians for JTF." This will let whoever is watching know that we have Christian support as well. This is very important. An organization that appears large, and with both Jewish and Christian support, will draw more people. People like to join organizations that look like they have support.
For a security detail, I would only use a Jewish security team, to let them know that Jews are able to protect themselves. ( They should wear the - JTF sweatshirts as well.) David Ben Moshe should also be a primary speaker, he is an excellent speaker, like yourself. He is also a big, powerful guy with a great presence, and commands attention and respect.
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I believe it should be in front of a major news outlet, possibly more than one major news outlet. It should also be held in an area with a lot of Obama supporters. Just don't do it in Harlem! Al "off the pigs" Sharpton would send a team of black mafiosi to tear you down. You should find the most left-wing news outlet, they will label you as right-wing racists, then you may get some of those Obama haters to join you.
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I was thinking before we start any meeting like this, we should test the waters for the Israeli day parade and get as many supporters to come hang out together...if few people show up, then we know we need to work on getting more participants into this movement. If we have a nice group to show up for the parade then we can pursue this idea further...
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Here's one idea, It would involve many of our members contacting news agencies such as Dateline or 20/20 posing as viewers who are not members of JTF or Jews Against Obama, but viewers who are not sure what this movement is about and are looking to find out more about it. For example, JTF schedules an event at a certain time and place. You contact 20/20 and tell them about the event and request they cover it because as a viewer you want to know more about JTF. You don't know if you agree with them or not and you want to know what it is all about. Now if they do cover it, they will initially cover JTF as a hate group and as something that is a problem in America, but the exposure will be there. If they get serveral thousand requests, I think there is a chance they will cover it because it may be good for ratings. You can also pose as someone who is against JTF and who feels that their movement is growing and it should be "exposed" on national T.V. I don't know if the media will fall for this but I think it may be worth a try.
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Here's one idea, It would involve many of our members contacting news agencies such as Dateline or 20/20 posing as viewers who are not members of JTF or Jews Against Obama, but viewers who are not sure what this movement is about and are looking to find out more about it. For example, JTF schedules an event at a certain time and place. You contact 20/20 and tell them about the event and request they cover it because as a viewer you want to know more about JTF. You don't know if you agree with them or not and you want to know what it is all about. Now if they do cover it, they will initially cover JTF as a hate group and as something that is a problem in America, but the exposure will be there. If they get serveral thousand requests, I think there is a chance they will cover it because it may be good for ratings. You can also pose as someone who is against JTF and who feels that their movement is growing and it should be "exposed" on national T.V. I don't know if the media will fall for this but I think it may be worth a try.
Interesting idea.
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Obama is a very cunning and very sophisticated man, he is just a part of an Islamic plan to control and destroy the USA. Please take care. The Muslims are going to try to murder Chaim. As long the JTF movement does not have enough money for professional guards, it is not very safe.
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Chaim.. just let me know when you want to do it, and I'll get everyone I know in the UAC and the Loyalist Party involved.
I assume its going to be a N.Y. event?
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Spread the news that "O-bama" is about to address "De Joo-sh Camyuunitee" at such and such a place, date, and time...
Fo' reasons bein' dat' O-bama is going to "Reach Out" to De Jooz" in a "historic reconciliation".
At first, allow a sizeable crowd to gather, with everyone there "playing it straight", as if this is really a news-worthy event of historical proportions...
Then have Chaim show up doing his finest "Minstrel Show" shtick...black face, pink lips, orlon afro-wig, and walking on stilts...
Lots of "ooga-booga" & "click-language" talk, whilst "De Jooz", represented by JTF members, go ape in the audience over every misspoken syllable & rant; denouncing "the candidate" for "cannibalism", commonism, and for race-mixing!
Make sure the entire event is documented with video/audio for public release.
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Brilliant. ::)
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Chaim, have you ever considered putting out a full page ad in a newspaper? Certainly not the NY Times, but perhaps the NY Post or Newsday? Or the Jewish Press? Or is this too costly?
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The best place and time is the boardwalk at Brighton Beach in Brooklyn closer to the summer.
Only imagine, thousands of Russians, 90% of whom are Jewish. Mostly young. You wont see a black person there for miles.
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For weeks before the event we will notify all the Russian Jewish newspapers and TV and Radio channels.
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http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&rls=com.microsoft:en-us&q=brighton+beach+avenue,+brooklyn,+ny&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wl
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On the era of the internet why doesn't some people build several websites about Jews Against Obama, and even use MySpace and other large audience sites.
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you can always write letters to Stephen Colbert some people did that for a writer and they put him on his show if they let Chaim on he can promote his show and website on national TV :D
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I was thinking before we start any meeting like this, we should test the waters for the Israeli day parade and get as many supporters to come hang out together...if few people show up, then we know we need to work on getting more participants into this movement. If we have a nice group to show up for the parade then we can pursue this idea further...
This is the best idea. Have a low key "test get together" at the parade. The people who show become the main planners of the real event based on what happens at the test.
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??? If you are from NY, I can quarantee you that here the midweast we will never hear about any protest. You know "perky" wouldn't even consider reporting it and besides she has made a career out of bashing President Bush-Fox news might report on it. You could ask blogs like the Canadian Sentinel (plenty of links to other pro-Israel blogs there) for help. FYI a blog called the katyislamicassociation.net-NOT A MUSLIM-site has a story to tell. Also, some "interesting" pictures on faithfreedom.org-ex-muslems who finally saw the light.
We need to boycotte sponsors of MSM news programs and newspapers (like AFA did to Ford) to remind them that they are not the fourth branch of the government. No NY Times for me, period.
Re: obama, has any one ever checked into what school books he was learning from and what were the religious texts teaching him when he was in the first 6 grades in that islamic school? I know that they can lie for their religion and I think to "infidels", also. Does rev. wright's "preaching" sound a lot like the "sermons" from his childhood
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??? If you are from NY, I can quarantee you that here the midweast we will never hear about any protest. You know "perky" wouldn't even consider reporting it and besides she has made a career out of bashing President Bush-Fox news might report on it. You could ask blogs like the Canadian Sentinel (plenty of links to other pro-Israel blogs there) for help. FYI a blog called the katyislamicassociation.net-NOT A MUSLIM-site has a story to tell. Also, some "interesting" pictures on faithfreedom.org-ex-muslems who finally saw the light.
We need to boycotte sponsors of MSM news programs and newspapers (like AFA did to Ford) to remind them that they are not the fourth branch of the government. No NY Times for me, period.
Re: obama, has any one ever checked into what school books he was learning from and what were the religious texts teaching him when he was in the first 6 grades in that islamic school? I know that they can lie for their religion and I think to "infidels", also. Does rev. wright's "preaching" sound a lot like the "sermons" from his childhood
joy, how did you hear about JTF?
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I say hold a press conference on Sunday so most of us could come and invite the Jewish Press. They'll show up. That's about it. You can hire a bodyguard or two from the Yellowpages but they might be blacks though.
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Do it at Lincoln Center. That's where Chaim made his greatest impact. Lincoln Center is a dramatic location, full of dramatic types. We need to do something dramatic.
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Chaim, I think a good place to hold it would be outside of the FoxNews headquarters which I am pretty sure is located in Manhattan. Although they are still part of the establishment, they have at least had the most level coverage against Obama I have seen on cable news, while CNN has practically become the Obama propaganda network. If we could get a big enough turnout, perhaps we could get mentioned by a personality such as Sean Hannity. G-d bless.
Ari O0
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Do it at Lincoln Center. That's where Chaim made his greatest impact. Lincoln Center is a dramatic location, full of dramatic types. We need to do something dramatic.
That's a good call..
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Dear Chaim,
Your safety should be the utmost priority if it is a public event.
1. JTFer's need to comment in all Republican National Committee (RNC) videos launched by the GOP and tell them about "Jews Against Obama"
http://www.youtube.com/rnc
2. Calling various talk radio hosts:
http://www.gop.com/ActionCenter/CallTalkRadio/
3. Joining GOP's "Faith and Value" division by introducing JTF as a pro-life and pro-family organization:
http://faithandvalues.gop.com/GroupPage.aspx?
4. Working with Republican Jewish Coalition:
http://www.rjchq.org/
5. If we can get a hold of World Net Daily's Joseph Farah to interview you that would be great.
Let us all pray so that "Jews Against Obama" gets attention nationwide.
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Dear Chaim,
Your safety should be the utmost priority if it is a public event.
1. JTFer's need to comment in all Republican National Committee (RNC) videos launched by the GOP and tell them about "Jews Against Obama"
http://www.youtube.com/rnc
2. Calling various talk radio hosts:
http://www.gop.com/ActionCenter/CallTalkRadio/
3. Joining GOP's "Faith and Value" division by introducing JTF as a pro-life and pro-family organization:
http://faithandvalues.gop.com/GroupPage.aspx?
4. Working with Republican Jewish Coalition:
http://www.rjchq.org/
5. If we can get a hold of World Net Daily's Joseph Farah to interview you that would be great.
Let us all pray so that "Jews Against Obama" gets attention nationwide.
Excellent information!
If we could get our message on talk radio, that would be great. And I like the Joseph Farah idea.
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I think this is a good idea but I see several issues that we should addressed beforehand
1. Video is a necessity for any modern political movement. What provisions have been made to to video this event and put it into a useable format?
I am in Israel but in the short term I will do video editing for free
2. Who will be taking pictures of the event that we can use, preferably a profesional?
3. Will there be posters, and signs? Who has designed them, how many will be printed up?
4. If media shows up it is likely they will do interviews with supporters, what material has been prepared to prep the Jews against Obama members?
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I think this is a good idea but I see several issues that we should addressed beforehand
1. Video is a necessity for any modern political movement. What provisions have been made to to video this event and put it into a useable format?
I am in Israel but in the short term I will do video editing for free
2. Who will be taking pictures of the event that we can use, preferably a profesional?
3. Will there be posters, and signs? Who has designed them, how many will be printed up?
4. If media shows up it is likely they will do interviews with supporters, what material has been prepared to prep the Jews against Obama members?
Chaim just started to talk about this the other day. We are basically in the formulating ideas stage right now. I think it would be great to have some first class footage of the event to post after the fact.
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Thanks Chaim and I hope and pray that the message gets out soon!
I think JTF should call this youtube user:
http://www.youtube.com/user/truthforamerica
He has a weekly radio show at http://blogtalkradio.com/truth4amer
on Mondays (1-646-716-9219)
[email protected]
There are more talk radio shows listed at the bottom of his website!
-Christian Zionist
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Chaim I think you should try to get a big ad for jews against obama as well as jtf.org in the jewish press announcing the event. It should prob be held in a place that would embarrass the dems.
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What you have to do is expose something about Obama that the media doesn't know about him. Most of the media will turn a blind eye to it, but a news outlet like Fox News won't. My suggestion is to find out, who are the people that work in his Senate offices. I read on another blog that there are several Nation of Islam members working in his offices. That's scary. That's something that needs to be looked into. Also look into his voting record throughout his political career. See what catches your eye.
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You mean something like this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVeFVtcdSYY&feature=related
Found this yesterday.
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Wow! Zvulun that's amazing stuff if it's true. I don't doubt the possibility; just could it be a Hitlery ploy? Just think the liberals will have killled tree birds with one stone. Not only is their candidate black and muslim but a homosexual as well. :::D
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Wow! Zvulun that's amazing stuff if it's true. I don't doubt the possibility; just could it be a Hitlery ploy? Just think the liberals will have killled tree birds with one stone. Not only is their candidate black and muslim but a homosexual as well. :::D
I don't know. It is strange how it came up so late and I don't understand what would be his motives, unless he was paid well. But it will be interesting to see what Obama's reaction will be to this episode.
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Jews could attent such an event in concentration camp fatigues with yellow stars on them to signify the bleak future for Jewery should the muSSlim obama take power.
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You mean something like this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVeFVtcdSYY&feature=related
Found this yesterday.
Something like that I don't think would work. It would be hard to prove anything the guy said. I'm talking about hard evidence for example photographs of Obama with his staff and then photos of some of those staff members with Louis Farrakhan. Perhaps see who supported Obama when he was running for the Senate, look at photos of his Senate race. Too bad there aren't any videos of him giving speeches when he was a street activist. That's the kind of stuff you have too look for.
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How did they get this "together4israel.org" huge event together and publicize it? It seems word got around in very short notice for it. Maybe we can find some positive methods to apply for getting word out about this event from their example.
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Spread the news that "O-bama" is about to address "De Joo-sh Camyuunitee" at such and such a place, date, and time...
Fo' reasons bein' dat' O-bama is going to "Reach Out" to De Jooz" in a "historic reconciliation".
At first, allow a sizeable crowd to gather, with everyone there "playing it straight", as if this is really a news-worthy event of historical proportions...
Then have Chaim show up doing his finest "Minstrel Show" shtick...black face, pink lips, orlon afro-wig, and walking on stilts...
Lots of "ooga-booga" & "click-language" talk, whilst "De Jooz", represented by JTF members, go ape in the audience over every misspoken syllable & rant; denouncing "the candidate" for "cannibalism", commonism, and for race-mixing!
Make sure the entire event is documented with video/audio for public release.
Actually, all joking aside, I think you're on to something. What if we create a ficticious group based on "Black-and-Jewish Community Reconciliation," make a few pamphlets, maybe a small propaganda website encouraging Jewish and black unity, and then convince the Obama campaign to work together with us. Then set up a largescale event like this only to have Chaim show up and for all the B&J'ers to reveal they were simply a front group for the JTF and then completely rain on Obama's parade and humiliate him in front of a live audience.... Something along these lines, couldn't this be a major coup?
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Dear Chaim,
4. Working with Republican Jewish Coalition:
http://www.rjchq.org/
5. If we can get a hold of World Net Daily's Joseph Farah to interview you that would be great.
Let us all pray so that "Jews Against Obama" gets attention nationwide.
Republican Jewish Coalition cares about Republican party/Bush interests, not Israel.
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Perhaps getting someone who knows how to do a professional press release? Usually some type of stunt gets the modern media attention. Like make a public offer to Elliot Spitzer to have him join JTF or offer $1000 to Obama to stop running for president. Something that sounds outrageous and gets people to click on the story.
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I think we need to orginize with the local GOP that way we can not only get bigger but expand our movement
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Can we buy opinion spots in newspapers across the country?
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YOU ALSO NEED ARTISTS WHO CAN CREATE HANDBILLS AND POSTERS - THIS IS VERY VERY IMPORTANT. IT CAN EVEN BE PHOTOSHOPPED, BUT WITHOUT THE HELP OF ARTISTS THE WORD CANNOT GET OUT,
MOODSFORMODERNS
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You mean something like this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVeFVtcdSYY&feature=related
Found this yesterday.
i saw someoen on this forum post this link a good few months ago...Not sure how valid it is to be honest. I would rather post something definately true about Obama that will catch peoples' eyes...for example his pastor...
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How about dropping flyers into mail boxes in appartment buildings in Brooklyn & Queens?
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I suggested this idea to a few people over private message before. Nothing ever came of it so I thought this thread would be a good place to bring it up again. Bringing up "Jews Against Obama" in your message to Mr. Norris would also be a great idea:
"In Baltimore there is a very popular morning radio show host named Ed Norris. He was once a high ranking member of the NYPD and eventually became Police commissioner in Baltimore. He was fired eventually. Now he is a radio host. On the radio in the past he has talked about how he was part of the NYPD when Rabbi Kahane was killed by Al Queda. He even says it was Al Queda and he says he feels there was a cover up. He has a myspace page:
http://myspace.com/norrisshow
Goto that page and write him a message and become his friend. if he does not answer your message in 5 days then post a message in his comment section on Sunday night.
The message or post needs to be short and to the point.
-- Say on your page you have videos of Victor Vancier AKA Chaim Ben Pesach (Be sure to use both names) who is now trying to spread the word about the terrorism. Say Mr Vancier was directly under Kahane when he was murdered in NYC and when you (Ed Norris) were part of the NYPD.
--As you can see Chaim is very charismatic and would love to be on your show to talk about Islamic terrorism and Obama. The Jewish Task Force is the group that he is in charge of and it is a direct descendant of Kahane's old group. You can see that the forum has over 1300 very active members and lately JTF videos have been censored by youtube while ones promoting islamic terrorism have remained.
--The show also has an email address: [email protected]
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I really feel there is a good shot that he would have Chaim on the air. I would do it myself but my myspace page says who I am and I want to have my privacy.
Thanks and feel free to message me any questions you may have.
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Chaim, my vote is for the synagogue, because it is obviously the most Jewish place to hold such an event.
It will reinforce the fact that this is a Jewish movement, and it will also help associate Jews with right-wing causes in the eyes of the Gentile public.
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How about dropping flyers into mail boxes in appartment buildings in Brooklyn & Queens?
It's expensive but pretty effective. I recently had to mail out about a hundred postcards to residents of my community so management would fix something that they did not want to spend the money operating. I don't think management was happy that I asked half of the residents to request a refund but now the thing is fixed.
I learned that the post office doesn't make it easy to buy $.26 stamps. I don't know how much mail we would have to send in order to get a bulk rate either. Let me look into this though. I might pick a religious community somewhere and spend 13 dollars to mail out 50 postcards. It will probably only get a few supporters, but anyone we can get is a victory.
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How about dropping flyers into mail boxes in appartment buildings in Brooklyn & Queens?
It's expensive but pretty effective. I recently had to mail out about a hundred postcards to residents of my community so management would fix something that they did not want to spend the money operating. I don't think management was happy that I asked half of the residents to request a refund but now the thing is fixed.
I learned that the post office doesn't make it easy to buy $.26 stamps. I don't know how much mail we would have to send in order to get a bulk rate either. Let me look into this though. I might pick a religious community somewhere and spend 13 dollars to mail out 50 postcards. It will probably only get a few supporters, but anyone we can get is a victory.
I am talking about physically going to buildings in our neighborhoods and throw flyers into people's mailboxes. No postage to pay.
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I think that the idea of flyers is a very good one.
Maybe there should be a copy of a flyer available on the internet. Then everyone can print it themselves and hand them out on the street.
As many of us probably live in Jewish neighbourhoods, it would be a good way to get the word out to a lot of Jewish people.
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Here is my plan. I have Avery 8163 sticker labels which I can print a message onto. This amounts to stickers that are 2"X4". For $13 and a trip to the post office I can send out 50 of these cards but need a good message to use. How about this message:
Jews Against Obama
Please join our Kahanist movement to fight against Barack Hussein Obama and help save America and Israel.
You don't have to be a Jew to join Jews Against Obama
www.jewsagainstobama.com
www.jtf.org
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I'm going to mail to the first 50 people on fallstaff road in Baltimore.
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I'm going to mail to the first 50 people on fallstaff road in Baltimore.
Instead of going to all that trouble (and money) to mail those 50 people in that area I would suggest you just walk around Fallstaff or Cross Country and just slip the flyer under every door with a Mezuzah at one of those Apartment complexes in that area. You can get 50 very quickly that way. Also a random mailing may end up going to a black person (There are a few blacks around there you know). I think at the Apartment complexes you are much more likely to find a younger person who will have Internet access. Some of the people in houses on Fallstaff and Cross Country are in their 80's (and older) and may not have the ability to help JTF.
If young people out there are paying any attention and you have the skill to print out flyers then I suggest you go door to door in large apartment complexes in Jewish areas and place them under doors that have mezuzahs.
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I think we can place Obama's portrait between Jeremiah Wrong's and Farrakhan's portaits and add some of their "brilliant" quotes there.
And at the bottom say:
"Will G-d damn or bless America this time? You vote. You decide."
Signature:
"JewsAgainstObama.org - And don't say we didn't tell ya"
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Here is my plan. I have Avery 8163 sticker labels which I can print a message onto. This amounts to stickers that are 2"X4". For $13 and a trip to the post office I can send out 50 of these cards but need a good message to use. How about this message:
Jews Against Obama
Please join our Kahanist movement to fight against Barack Hussein Obama and help save America and Israel.
You don't have to be a Jew to join Jews Against Obama
www.jewsagainstobama.com
www.jtf.org
Not bad, but I would suggest phrasing it like this.
The Light unto the Nations takes on the fight of the century: Stop Barack Hussein Obama! Save America and Israel!
Join Us: www.jewsagainstobama.com; www.jtf.org
Jews and Gentiles United Against Obama.
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Here is my plan. I have Avery 8163 sticker labels which I can print a message onto. This amounts to stickers that are 2"X4". For $13 and a trip to the post office I can send out 50 of these cards but need a good message to use. How about this message:
Jews Against Obama
Please join our Kahanist movement to fight against Barack Hussein Obama and help save America and Israel.
You don't have to be a Jew to join Jews Against Obama
www.jewsagainstobama.com
www.jtf.org
Not bad, but I would suggest phrasing it like this.
The Light unto the Nations takes on the fight of the century: Stop Barack Hussein Obama! Save America and Israel!
Join Us: www.jewsagainstobama.com; www.jtf.org
Jews and Gentiles United Against Obama.
I like it!
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I'm going to mail to the first 50 people on fallstaff road in Baltimore.
Instead of going to all that trouble (and money) to mail those 50 people in that area I would suggest you just walk around Fallstaff or Cross Country and just slip the flyer under every door with a Mezuzah at one of those Apartment complexes in that area. You can get 50 very quickly that way. Also a random mailing may end up going to a black person (There are a few blacks around there you know). I think at the Apartment complexes you are much more likely to find a younger person who will have Internet access. Some of the people in houses on Fallstaff and Cross Country are in their 80's (and older) and may not have the ability to help JTF.
If young people out there are paying any attention and you have the skill to print out flyers then I suggest you go door to door in large apartment complexes in Jewish areas and place them under doors that have mezuzahs.
I don't live in Baltimore anymore but I am still familiar with the neighborhood. I can make sure that all the mailings go to people with Jewish names. It makes it a little more personal when someone's name is on the mailing. Going onto apartment complexes for this is also trespassing. I do find that people who are older in age have better respect for conservative values. Afterall, it is young people who are supporting Obama in the first place.
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As I've mentioned somewhere else on the forum I think it might be worth hiring an agent be bring Chaim onto TV or Radio shows.
It's possibly quite expensive but I know that Walid Shoebat gets his connections through these agents.
It's also possible to contact Keith Davies who is the Director of the Shoebat Foundation.
Apart from Walid he has also managed to get others into public attention.
He might have some hints in regard to what should be considered when dealing with agents.
Email address can be found on shoebat.com
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Because radio shows that are National have been unwilling in the past to have Chaim as a guest, I think a major part of JTF's focus should be on getting Chaim on local radio shows. In another thread a few weeks ago, I mentioned Steve Malzberg's show on WOR in New York as something that should be looked into. Malzberg has very conservative views and doesn't appear to be politically correct.
Ed Norris' radio show in Baltimore, which, was mentioned by JTF member Baltimore, certainly is worth pursuing.
One talk radio segment that I think JTF should focus on, is shows that have a large Conservative audience, with many of the listeners Christian Zionists. Many Southern Cities/ Towns have such programs. In order to defeat Barack Hussien Obama and/ or Hillary Clinton for that matter, it's essential that the entire Southeast and South Central part of the country become Red ( Republican ) states this November.
Because of search engines such as Google, it shouldn't be difficult to make a list of the type of radio shows that reflect many, if not the vast majority, of JTF positions.
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How about all the newspaper links on the JTF website, put up Jews Against Obama as a message.
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Just the fact of calling into talk shows like Savage and asking, "What do you think about JewsagaistObama?" can peak the curiousity of the thousands of listeners.
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Just the fact of calling into talk shows like Savage and asking, "What do you think about JewsagaistObama?" can peak the curiousity of the thousands of listeners.
Sounds like a great idea... you have their number?
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Just the fact of calling into talk shows like Savage and asking, "What do you think about JewsagaistObama?" can peak the curiousity of the thousands of listeners.
Sounds like a great idea... you have their number?
1-800-449-8255 is the SAVAGE NATION call in number.
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Just the fact of calling into talk shows like Savage and asking, "What do you think about JewsagaistObama?" can peak the curiousity of the thousands of listeners.
Sounds like a great idea... you have their number?
EXCELLENT idea!!
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How many publicity photos can be found with OsamaBarama shaking hands with disreputable characters like Michael Jackson?
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In doing research to look for radio program hosts that might be receptive to having Chaim on as a guest, I came across an organization called International Christian Embassy Jerusalem. This is a Christian Zionist organization which has several talk host hosts. This organization seems to be very Pro-Israel.
http://www.icejusa.org/site/PageServer?pagename=radio_program_index
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I haven't read all of the replies yet, so I apologize if this idea has been given previously,
but was anyone here a part of the rally for Israel online? The Solidarity for Sderot rally?
www.united4israel.org
Maybe we could make one of those! 8;)
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If you can post a flyer here, I will print out copies and leave them in the mailboxes in my condo.
There are over 1000 families in the complex and about 75% are Jewish.
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There used to be a flyer on the JTF.org main page, horselady. That's a good idea.
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Hold a press conference in NewYork City at the Word Trade center area! we can hold signs America did not deserve 9/11 Obama!!!Nand invite the media especially FOXNEWS! Because since CNN and MSNBC are 24/7 for Obama, yhey may not show anything but FoxNews will!!! I'll go definitely and bring so many anti Obama people with me!
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There used to be a flyer on the JTF.org main page, horselady. That's a good idea.
Overall, sounds like a good idea
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I'd suggest to send the message at NewYork City at the Wold Trade Center area!
Where 3000 Americans died! And was called they deserved 9/11 by Obama's pastor Rev. Wright!
I can not think a better place than there to march against Obama!
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I'd suggest to send the message at NewYork City at the Wold Trade Center area!
Where 3000 Americans died! And was called they deserved 9/11 by Obama's pastor Rev. Wright!
I can not think a better place than there to march against Obama!
Aviva, I agree with you but how will we get media coverage? We would need 1000 people to show up there and protest to get fox news to come.
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what can londoners do. write to politically correct papaers. coperate with the radical leftist pro-obama media?
The media wants to help Obama get out of all of this and escape form it, so they promote him and show him in a good light and they themselves are trying to help him! That Pastor speaks for Obama and that was why he married Obama and who baptised his children. Obama said that the spiritual inspiration of him joining the “Church” was because of this minister. But it really was to cover-up the fact that he IS a Muslim – because he always planned to run for president. Obama shares this racist hatred from his minister and that’s why Obama finds him “so inspiring”. -CBP
Many vile, evil, sick, self-hating Jews (like George Soros David Axelrod) and self-hating whites are funding and helping his campaign! These insane wealthy, Hollywood, Disney, establishment Jews are ashamed to be Jews and of their history, and hate Israel! They have no loyalty or self-respect to Israel and the Jewish people. They are traitors to the Jewish people! -CBP
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I suggest we should plan this event before the Passover!
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I suggest we should plan this event before the Passover!
Sounds like a good idea, definitely before.
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http://www.barackobamapresident44.com/
Is that your site? 8;)
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The best place and time is the boardwalk at Brighton Beach in Brooklyn closer to the summer.
Only imagine, thousands of Russians, 90% of whom are Jewish. Mostly young. You wont see a black person there for miles.
I really like this idea. Cheap + safe. There is no way thugs could disrupt this event. there are too many Russian-Jewish "thugs" around, and they are not politically correct ninnies. They won't be afraid to fight.
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If I can help,you guys let me know! O0 ;)
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http://www.barackobamapresident44.com/
Is that your site? 8;) yes it is...how can I help ? I have a horrible Islamic video...but I don't know whether to dispose of it ? it was someones family member...but at the same time...it shows the the true face of innate evil? I can post it for a short time, or send a flash copy...or .wmv...it is very very disturbing!!!
Just thought you had some funny stuff on there! haha...
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I think that one time to do it is during the Israeli Parade.
People who will show up to that claim to not be self-hating Jews. Show if they want to prove that they aren't self-hating, then they'll listen about how Obama would be awful.
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Good
wayne jude
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I believe it should be in front of a major news outlet, possibly more than one major news outlet. It should also be held in an area with a lot of Obama supporters. Just don't do it in Harlem! Al "off the pigs" Sharpton would send a team of black mafiosi to tear you down. You should find the most left-wing news outlet, they will label you as right-wing racists, then you may get some of those Obama haters to join you.
~ Actually, I believe that holding this demonstration NEAR a terrible place is JUST THE THING to do.. NOT responding to their violent ways will make them look extremely idiotic- because they WILL TRY to get violent- getting on the offense and taking the battle TO THE ENEMY is the best strategy. You can put me in the front, nobody will kill a nice looking lady, that is dressed like a lady, I REALIZE that this sounds nuts- but I DO believe that it WILL work. THINK SERIOUSLY about THIS. I AM NOT JOKING, this is a fight to save a nation that is CRUMBLING, and obama will bring a fast destruction. This will ALSO bring MASSIVE media coverage, as a matter of FACT, we should all look VERY Dignified, it WILL make a tremendous statement, when those racists come out in their rags. Let THEM do all of their screaming and yelling..I BELIEVE this ALSO needs to be militant. Militancy ALWAYS looks like more people.
Sun Tzu, the Art of War: Hence to fight and conquer in all your battles is not supreme excellence; supreme excellence consists in breaking the enemy's resistance without fighting.
The enemy (general), UNABLE to control his irritation, will launch his men to the assault like swarming ants.
Therefore the skillful leader subdues the enemy's troops without any fighting.
^^^~See? we are really NOT in a 'demonstration' we are in a WAR. We WIN by NOT fighting, just bringing FACTS- NOTHING can stand against the TRUTH.
Sun Tzu: Standing on the defensive indicates insufficient strength; ATTACKING, is a superabundance of strength. <<<< GET ON ENEMY TURF- besides.. the Police are WITH JTF here in NYC. :::D
So- please think about this carefully- I am willing to do WHATEVER (but I do not get back until late June)- I DO NOT WANT THIS BEAST IN CHARGE. We CAN get Pastor Manning you know???? Having THAT church WITH us, can REALLY do BAD damage to this creep, and his rotton wife. This is something that I would really consider, very STRONGLY.
Paulette Anne
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Why not try to get Chaim into the Tovia Singer Show?
If you know of a guest that should be interviewed by Tovia, or are one yourself, please leave contact info and a short bio at: [email protected]
http://www.toviasingershow.com/ContactUs.aspx
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I know how everyone lothes McCain, and for good reason. Unfortunately it may be either him or Obama. He and his advisers are not going to use the Jeremiah Wright issue, the issue with his wife, or his muslim past issue if things keep going the way they are. I know McCain is going initially condemn those tactic in his erroneous belief that tactics like the ones mentioned above will backfire on him. What I am going to do is join his campain on the internet even though I can't stand him. I will act like a true supporter, and e-mail him letters telling him that I strongly support him. I will then encourage his people, "as a fellow supporter" to pressure McCain to use the tactics above. I will write letters to McCain and his people telling them that they must expose Obama. I think if a lot of people do what I do McCain may just say to himself, "if my strongest supporters are for me exposing Obama on his muslim past and his lack of patriotism; maybe I have no choice but to do it because if I loose many of these supporters, I am going to definitely loose the election."
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I don't think McCain can beat Obama! Hillary must win the nomination!
McCain needs the southern states and he can't win against Obama because of the black voters! They will be participating heavily!
But McCain can beat Hillary easy because all those blacks will NOT support Hillary!
Come on what are we waiting for/
We should get the word out!
DO NOT VOTE FOR OBAMA HE IA AN ANTI SEMITE!
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Is there going to be more discussion about this?
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I had the idea of making a very funny video that gets its' point across. I noticed that there are a lot of hits for hilarious videos that range into the hundreds of thousands and in some cases millions. The point being, a video needs to catch peoples attention. I'm talking about catching the attention of people who are undecided in the upcoming election and don't really know what's going on. They may look at a JTF video and think that's just a Jewish video or a political video and loose interest right away. If the video is hilarious, they will keep going back to it, tell buddies about it, favorite it, etc. I believe this will lead to them visiting the source of the video, that being JEWSAGAINSTOBAMA.COM. The challenge is to make a video that is truly hilarious, but at the same time does not make JTF and it's members look like a bunch of clowns. I think there are a lot of talented people on this forum that can come up with really clever and funny video ideas.
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well i have thought very much about the meeting, and i have come to a conclusion, we should march, but we have to get the jewish people of whichever town we march/protest on our side for protection and also so that we have more supporters, actualy its all about minupulation to get people on our side we must begin with a speech starting off with 9/11, (no one get emotional about this reply please) (the reason for beggining 9/11 is to evoke emotions in the people we are speaking to) then we clearly state all the abuse muslims have inflicted upon our targeted audience, and we point out the obvious fact that son of a [censored] obama is rasicst, and a muslim. (the reason for rascist is to justify whatevr we say about him) also we should probably start the march near the twin towers (again to evoke nation pride, and hatred of muslims) we should make posters and promote public awarness. also if possible we should see if we can get the city to assign police to keep us safe. btw anyone who thinks we should bring weapons DONT DO IT ! we need to appear good, and peaceful, if were found with weapons of any kind it will bring only bad rep for us
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well i thought about what member minuteman said and i got a good idea, instead of a comedy about our goals, we could make sorta a documentry, also we should try to get michael savage to speak along with our representatives. also if we dont do well this time with our 'rally' this time, barack obama will run this fragile economy of ours into the ground with his rascist beliefs and values, so we can get the support of americans fed up with the [censored] that hateful bastard spews from his mouth
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Chaim, I think a good place to hold it would be outside of the FoxNews headquarters which I am pretty sure is located in Manhattan. Although they are still part of the establishment, they have at least had the most level coverage against Obama I have seen on cable news, while CNN has practically become the Obama propaganda network. If we could get a big enough turnout, perhaps we could get mentioned by a personality such as Sean Hannity. G-d bless.
Ari O0
That sounds like a great idea- if it's possible. Fox would cover that.
What about that, guys?
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Our best way to get attention would be to do something at an Obama event here in the City. Either trying to confront him directly about his anti-semitism, anti-white racism, and positions on Israel if possible or by holding a protest of Obama outside of the event. It is certain that there will be tons of media at the event; and being that most of these campaign events are generic and boring "Jews against Obama" would likely be a new and interesting angle for the media to report on.
There would also be a heavy police presence at an Obama event.
Have about 20 ladies dress up in bee-keeper suits and blow kisses at Obama. Try to get on camera (this should be easy) and state that as a fellow Muslim how much they love him how they think Obama will do for them. LOL (Well, hey- it might work. It would certainly attrack attention and embarass him)
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