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Title: Does G-d Judge Us Only By Our Actions or Our Thoughts Too?
Post by: Ari on March 25, 2008, 12:21:21 AM
I live what I consider a pretty clean life based on my actions.  However, I must admit I'm not immune from sinful thougths.  An obvious one could be lusting after a pretty girl you meet or have known.  Some other examples include wanting to machine gun a car that has cut you off in traffic, or imagining hacking someone to death with a machette if they don't say "thank you" when you hold the door for them.  Of course, I would never do these things, but I do in fact think them.  Thoughts?
Title: Re: Does G-d Judge Us Only By Our Actions or Our Thoughts Too?
Post by: Dr. Dan on March 25, 2008, 07:10:16 AM
He only judges by the way we clap our hands when we are doing the hora..If we don't clap properly and loudly enough, that's the end of it!
Title: Re: Does G-d Judge Us Only By Our Actions or Our Thoughts Too?
Post by: Haim_Ben_Shimon_3JFB on March 25, 2008, 09:12:58 AM
I think its says somewhere even if you think of killing or committing any sin action its like you already did it.
Title: Re: Does G-d Judge Us Only By Our Actions or Our Thoughts Too?
Post by: OdKahaneChai on March 25, 2008, 10:04:28 AM
This is the difference between a Tzaddik and a Beinoni...
Title: Re: Does G-d Judge Us Only By Our Actions or Our Thoughts Too?
Post by: Ari on March 26, 2008, 01:15:06 AM
This is the difference between a Tzaddik and a Beinoni...

Can you be a righteous Beinoni?
Title: Re: Does G-d Judge Us Only By Our Actions or Our Thoughts Too?
Post by: Ari on March 26, 2008, 02:26:35 PM
Any Rabbinic scholars know about this? O0
Title: Re: Does G-d Judge Us Only By Our Actions or Our Thoughts Too?
Post by: Vito on March 26, 2008, 02:32:24 PM
I know a Tzaddik is a saint, but what's a Beinoni?

I think its says somewhere even if you think of killing or committing any sin action its like you already did it.

I've heard that too...
Title: Re: Does G-d Judge Us Only By Our Actions or Our Thoughts Too?
Post by: Ari on March 26, 2008, 02:37:23 PM
Hey Vito.  I had to look it up myself.  Did a Google search and it appears a Bounini is just what I asked about.  A person who has evil or sinful thoughts, but has the self-control not to act on them. O0
Title: Re: Does G-d Judge Us Only By Our Actions or Our Thoughts Too?
Post by: Vito on March 26, 2008, 02:39:56 PM
Hey Vito.  I had to look it up myself.  Did a Google search and it appears a Bounini is just what I asked about.  A person who has evil or sinful thoughts, but has the self-control not to act on them. O0

Ah, so I'm a Beinoni! Toda Ari  O0
Title: Re: Does G-d Judge Us Only By Our Actions or Our Thoughts Too?
Post by: Tzvi Ben Roshel1 on March 26, 2008, 03:15:28 PM
http://jtf.org/forum_english/index.php?topic=18361.0 -I posted something on this. Also some are in this category completly, and sometimes other things are not for a Jew. For example If you intend and want to eat non-Kosher, but then the nearest store is kosher and you go their, you wont get a sin. Or if you want to steal something, but then change your mind. BUT if for example you are on a plane and you order the non-Kosher meal, you have full intention of eating it, they then bring you the meal and you eat it, but then they tell you  they made a mistake they brought you the Glatt Kosher meal by accident, in this case you get a sin.
Title: Re: Does G-d Judge Us Only By Our Actions or Our Thoughts Too?
Post by: jdl4ever on March 26, 2008, 08:32:39 PM
The vast majority of sins in the Torah involve action only and therefore it is irrelevant if you think about sinning in your head.  This is contrary to what the Charedim say.  However, a few sins in the Torah involve the thoughts in your mind and you are responsible for thinking about sinning with regard to these sins.  For example, if you doubt that G-d exists in your mind than this is a Biblical sin.  But if you think about killing someone but don't do it this is not a sin (unless he's a Jew then you sin by not loving your neighbor as yourself, but don't sin with regard to being responsible for murder).  If you covet a married woman and think about having sex with that woman than that is a sin but if you merely think about having sex with a single girl then that isn't a Biblical sin since the Biblical sin involves action only, not thought.  The accepted opinion of the Rabbis prohibit lusting after single women as well, but this is not a Biblical prohibition. 
Title: Re: Does G-d Judge Us Only By Our Actions or Our Thoughts Too?
Post by: Boeregeneraal on March 26, 2008, 08:43:25 PM
it is a sin to think un-kosher thoughts.

lol...hacking people up.
Title: Re: Does G-d Judge Us Only By Our Actions or Our Thoughts Too?
Post by: Ari on March 26, 2008, 09:08:21 PM
This is a fascinating subject.  I hope G-d judges us mainly on our actions and not all our thoughts, which it seems at times are almost beyond control, at least for me. O0
Title: Re: Does G-d Judge Us Only By Our Actions or Our Thoughts Too?
Post by: Tzvi Ben Roshel1 on March 26, 2008, 09:12:26 PM
This is a fascinating subject.  I hope G-d judges us mainly on our actions and not all our thoughts, which it seems at times are almost beyond control, at least for me. O0

Actually I forgot to mention that good thoughts are a Mitzva.
 A Jew can make or destroy worlds with his thoughts alone.
Title: Re: Does G-d Judge Us Only By Our Actions or Our Thoughts Too?
Post by: OdKahaneChai on March 26, 2008, 09:14:40 PM
Hey Vito.  I had to look it up myself.  Did a Google search and it appears a Bounini is just what I asked about.  A person who has evil or sinful thoughts, but has the self-control not to act on them. O0
Ah, so I'm a Beinoni! Toda Ari  O0
You never sin, ever?
Title: Re: Does G-d Judge Us Only By Our Actions or Our Thoughts Too?
Post by: jdl4ever on March 26, 2008, 09:14:57 PM
A Jew can make or destroy worlds with his thoughts alone.
I disagree with that one.  A Jew can make or destroy worlds only with actions, never with thoughts alone.   Because the Torah is mainly about action. 
Title: Re: Does G-d Judge Us Only By Our Actions or Our Thoughts Too?
Post by: Ari on March 26, 2008, 09:16:53 PM
Nope.   :D
Title: Re: Does G-d Judge Us Only By Our Actions or Our Thoughts Too?
Post by: Ari on March 26, 2008, 09:17:23 PM
Actually, I'm sure we all do, but I try to avoid the whoppers. O0