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Haha i've seen it. Talking to him right now.
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Thank you for this SerbianCetnik.
Now everybody can see the real face of Croatia!
The majority of the Croats is still allied with Nazism.
Thats why the exiled Serbs can not return to Croatia because the fascist government of Croatia is sabotaging the mass return of the Serbs!
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The majority of the Croats is still allied with Nazism.
I wouldn't generalize THAT broadly...true a lot of them are, but a lot of them that I've known/met have not been, at least not overtly.
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The majority of the Croats is still allied with Nazism.
I wouldn't generalize THAT broadly...true a lot of them are, but a lot of them that I've known/met have not been, at least not overtly.
How can you say that the mayority of them does not support Nazism?
Do you want to say that you know the majority of Croatia? I do not think so.
You probably have met some Croats who live in foreign countries. Trust me they do not represent the majority of Croatia.
The majority of Croatia is still allied with Nazism!!
Why can not the Serbian refugees return to Croatia?
Why are Serbs daily attacked in Croatia? Even if the war was ended a long time ago in 1995? Why is Franjo Tudjman for the most Croats a national hero?
How is it possible that the ustashi rockband named Tompson attracks the most visitors during concerts in Croatia?
Why???
Because Croatia is a fascist state.
I hope you know more now..
Because it is naive and dangerous to think that we can have normal relatioships with Croatia!!
I hope I have informed you enough.
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DALMACIJA to you still live in that area like Serbia ?
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DALMACIJA to you still live in that area like Serbia ?
I want to return to Dalmacija!
But I can not.
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So how do you know that on a daily bases Croats Attack Serbs
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So how do you know that on a daily bases Croats Attack Serbs
Do you have EYES? ? ? ?
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i have read it but you say Croats attack Serbs all the time that is what you are impling
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The town my family comes from hates that Nazi band
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do i need to say it again they hate nazis because they killed people in my family
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How can you say the MAJORITY of a country supports some kind of ideology... unless you're talking about a majority such as 50.1% compared to 49.9%. A few thousand people at a concert doesn't say anything in a country of almost 5,000,000.
I've been to Croatia and while my family DID experience discrimination there by a crazy old woman we rented a house from, I wouldn't generalize that much.
I would say that the majority of Serbs from Krajina and Dalmacija can't return because of fear for their lives...the people who drove our people out of there didn't just walk away, they stayed.
As for the claims about the PEOPLE (remember, we're not talking about the government here, as we've seen how horribly a government represents its people... for example Boris Tadic)...do you have any facts and sources to support that the majority are allied with Nazism?
Also about the daily attacks, do you have any sources for that?
If you can satisfy my request for sources and facts, I'll gladly agree with you brother.
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The town i come from rather have Serbs living there then the Muslims because the Muslims destroy everything
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How can you say the MAJORITY of a country supports some kind of ideology... unless you're talking about a majority such as 50.1% compared to 49.9%. A few thousand people at a concert doesn't say anything in a country of almost 5,000,000.
I've been to Croatia and while my family DID experience discrimination there by a crazy old woman we rented a house from, I wouldn't generalize that much.
I would say that the majority of Serbs from Krajina and Dalmacija can't return because of fear for their lives...the people who drove our people out of there didn't just walk away, they stayed.
As for the claims about the PEOPLE (remember, we're not talking about the government here, as we've seen how horribly a government represents its people... for example Boris Tadic)...do you have any facts and sources to support that the majority are allied with Nazism?
Also about the daily attacks, do you have any sources for that?
If you can satisfy my request for sources and facts, I'll gladly agree with you brother.
What must I say brother? It is not only about the attack.
80% of the Croats supported the pro Nazi party of HDZ?
You said that the Krajina Serbs can not return to Croatia?
Well you just confirmed my statement. Why can not they return? Because the majority of Croatia is allied with fascism!
Further I am talking about experience with them
If you want facsts brother go to institutions like:
- www.krajinaforce.com
- http://www.veritas.org.yu/
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What must I say brother? It is not only about the attack.
80% of the Croats supported the pro Nazi party of HDZ?
You said that the Krajina Serbs can not return to Croatia?
Well you just confirmed my statement. Why can not they return? Because the majority of Croatia is allied with fascism!
Further I am talking about experience with them
If you want facsts brother go to institutions like:
- www.krajinaforce.com
- http://www.veritas.org.yu/
Are you sure it was 80% of the entire country? It's more likely that 80% of those who voted supported them...and we all know that the number of people who vote in a country is not the same as the number of people in a country. Also, I'm willing to bet that a LOT of those voters did not necessarily know what they were voting for 100%.
I said Krajina Serbs can't return there because the people who carried out Operation Storm are now the ones living there...if Serbs tried to return, those people would probably kill them.
Thank you for the sites, I'll take a look at them as soon as I have time.
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Zoran,
Croatia is a fascist state.
I think that we both can agree with that?
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wheres the confusion? because they use the ustasha flag? they are fascist.
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wheres the confusion? because they use the ustasha flag? they are fascist.
I have not seen you for days at this forum.
How are you?
Secondly,
The Croatian flag of today was the state symblom of the so called independent state of Croatia which existed between 1941 and 1945. During the mentioned period the Nazi Croatian government conducted atrocities and genocide against the Serbian people. In the well known camp of Jasenovac the Croatians tortured and killed -+ 800.000 Serbs with the use of very primitive materials like knifes, axes and hammers. Not to forgot that a huge number of the victims was also burned alive.
This all was conducted in the name of the Croatian state under the Croatian flag which is today the symbol of Croatia.
What does the Croatian flag represent?
Fascisme and terror against Serbian life!
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I totally agree that Croatia is a fascist state.
And I also agree that a large number of Croats support this...but not all. That's all I'm saying.
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I totally agree that Croatia is a fascist state.
And I also agree that a large number of Croats support this...but not all. That's all I'm saying.
I never said brother that all the Croats were allied with Nazism.
I agree a large number the majority supports the HDZ idea that Croatia is only the land of the Croats and that the operation strom which exiled the Serbs from Krajina is a heroic deed. The majority of the Croats does not judged the actions of their former governments at all. Actually the same who committed ethnic cleansing against the Serbs during the ninties are still present in the Croatian government.
O0
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Are you sure it was 80% of the entire country? It's more likely that 80% of those who voted supported them...and we all know that the number of people who vote in a country is not the same as the number of people in a country. Also, I'm willing to bet that a LOT of those voters did not necessarily know what they were voting for 100%.
The people chose the government.
In the former Socialist Republic of Croatia which existed in the period of 1945 till 1990 you had two main nation present in it. The majority were the Croats which were the 75% of the whole population. The other 15% were the Serbs and than you have left 5% people who considered their selves as Yugoslavians by nationality. Please pay attention that 80% of the percentage Yugoslavians were Serbs by origin.
During the first multy elections of Croatian afther WW2 in 1990, 66% of the voters voted for the ultra nationalist party of HDZ (Croatian Democratic Union). We can agree that only the Croats voted for the HDZ government.
What were they main principles of the policy of HDZ?
- The establishment of a sovereign and independent state of Croatia.
- To establish Croatia as a national land of the Croatian people (with other words to eliminated the state federal status of the Serbs)
- Tudjman applied to the ideas of Ante Starcevic the founder of the Croatian party of Rights in the 18 century. This man’s politic was also very anti Serbian.
- Tudjman decreased the number of the Serbian victims of Jasenovac and called the atrocities of Jasenovac a Serbian communist myth.
The Croatian people supported those statements otherwise they wouldn't vote for such political option.
But we still did not consider all the Croats as Ustase.
But all the Ustase were/ are the Croats.
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To me, it is really interesting that those who call croatia a democratic state really can't show support for their claim:
1. Using the same flag used by Croatian Nazis (Ustase)?
2. Using the same currency as those by Croatian Nazis in WWII?
3. Using the same National Anthem as those by Croatian Nazis in WWII?
4. Franjo Tudjman openly talking in a presidential rally that he thanx God for not being married to a Serb, Jew or a dog?
5. Streets across Croatia being named after WWII Nazis which were then renamed again after a pressure from EU?
6. Croatian soccer fans creating Swastikas during games?
7. Franjo Tudjman claiming that the total number of Serbian, Jewish and Gypsy victims in Jasenovac is no more than 50,000 altogether?
8. Creating over 50,000 new words in the vocabulary (many of which just sound so ridiculous just to prove that they have no connection to Serbs)?
9. Not teaching Cyrilic alphabet in schools because it is a Serbian alphabet?
10. Blowing up a Jewish Synagogue in Zagreb in 1991 and blaming the Serbs for it? I do not recall seeing anywhere in the news or otherwise that Serbs were doing that to Jews. Quite the opposite, Jews have come to Serbia from Croatia, Kosovo and Bosnia to escape these Croatian, Muslim and Albanian murderers
11. Making NHD (Independent State of Croatia in WWII) as a begining of a modern Croatian state, a state which on December 11, 1941 declared war on United States and still hasn't signed a peacy treaty?
12. Claiming that Nikola Tesla was a Croat eventhough Tesla's father was a Serbian Orthodox priest?
All of these cannot be done without a majority support of the Croatian people. Last I heard, majority, not minority, rules.
On a personal experience, an entire male population of my mother's village was put on the war crimes indictments in so-called Croatia (which I still do not and will not recognize eventhough I was born in a country today occupied by Croatian nazis), including a woman who lived in Serbia during the war and an 80-year old man....That is not a good sign of denazification and freedom of expression, that is a sign for "do not dare come back".
To add, I once called the Croatian embassy asking for a passport, but was told that I am not eligible because my birth certificate is too old. Few days later, claiming to be a Croat who left as a child, I was immediately told that I can recieve my croatian passport as soon as I show proof with a birth certificate that my parents have kept since moving to United States. Double standards/fascism/racism?
Over 80,000 croats live in Serbia and no one bothers them. Why? Because Serbs are not fascists like the Croats.
I have always believed that people can always be better (with the exception of Muslims) by showing it in voting those who oppose racist ideoligy.
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how many countries change their national anthem and Nikola Tesla is half Serb he is half Croat as well so like Chaim says what your mother is you are.
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another thing not all Croats supported the Nazis so get you facts straight
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Tesla was 100% Serbian.
I saved an article from somewhere when I was doing research for a project, and I got the following:
"His father was Rev. Milutin Tesla, a priest in the Serbian Orthodox Church "
"His mother was Đuka Mandić, herself a daughter of a Serbian Orthodox Church priest"
Mandić is a very Serbian last name...so where you get the idea that he is half Croatian I do not know...but according to my research he is 100% Serb.
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Mr. Americanhero needs to go back and read history again of Croatia.....oh, I forgot they don't have history except for the one of massacring anyone who disagrees with their Catholic Nazi ideology......At the moment, Croatia and Kosovo have the most ethnically countries in Europe...don't believe it, look up on the internet...
Why do they have such a pure ethnic population? Obviously not because they are people who believe in freedom of expression.
I used to live in Sibenik untill I was 12 and as a little kid, I was the only kid in my class who was Serbian, and things were not easy for me because they knew my background, and things were even more difficult because my father was a Serbian Orthodox priest. My father was forced to cut his beard when he had to do the annual military service. It was just another way to put down a Serb. So please, do not give me your Croatian propaganda..I have seen with my own eyes what it means to be a Serb or any non-croat in the so-called democratic Croatia...
However, as someone mentioned before, there are people of Croatian descent who are decent and good people. I know some of them personally and they are good and decent people. Unfortunatelly, that number is much smaller than you try to express here.
Perhaps you should go back to read the history of how Serbs came to these areas. They were invited by the Habsburgs to protect the borders from Ottomans and in return they were given lands and freedom of religion. Croats, if they can be called that, ran away deeper into Holy Roman Empire to survive and ran like bunch of p....ies because they didn't want to defend Christianity from Ottomans.
Oh, here is another fact that your so-called Croatian ideology won't tell you: most of the Croatians today are Serbs who were forced to convert to Catholicism for a better life. The only true Croatians are those who live on the border with slovenia and those living around Zagreb (Zagorje). Don't believe it, start looking into your own family history.
Instead of being friendly with fellow Christian brothers and helping Serbs deal with the biggest threat to Judeo-Christian civilization, the Muslim scumbags, Croats instead help Muslims in Bosnia and Kosovo by recognizing their independence which was completely illegal according to every single rule of international law. Don't forget, if Serbia and Bosnia get overtaken by Muslims, guess who is next on the list............After all, Muslims conquer by overpopulating and when they are strong enough, they move on to the neighboring land and do the same thing.
The best way to bring the Serbs and Croats together is the following:
1. Admit the crimes commited against Serbs, Jews, and Gypsies.
2. Remove these ridiculous so called war-crime indictments against Serbs who were defending their lands from fascist m/f's.
3. Give Croatians land that really is theirs and Serbs their lands, no more or less. Don't forget that Serbs owned large part of so-called Croatia because they were predominantly farmers (just like in Bosnia and Serbia).
4. Once Serbs are given their lands back, Serbs should be given right to decide on their own if they wish to annex to Serbia.
5. Give the Italians back what is Italian....pretty much most of the Dalmatian coast, Istra...
6. Give Dubrovnik to Dubrovnik people, since Dubrovnik was an independent city untill almost end of the 19th century, similiar to Venetian Republic.
7. Since Croatians believe that they deserved to become independent, they should give the same rights to those who do not want to live with them within fascist croatia. After all, you said that Croatia was a democratic country.
Should Croatia be part of Serbia? Absolutely not nor would I ever endorse that. The only part of Croatia that should be part of Serbia are those that are Serbian, no more or less. Obviously, this would leave Croatia with a country with a size of Switzerland, but that is how truly big Croatia is.
There is nothing worse in this world than someone who is educated by television and media instead of being educated by non-fiction books beyond school.
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Tesla was 100% Serbian.
I saved an article from somewhere when I was doing research for a project, and I got the following:
"His father was Rev. Milutin Tesla, a priest in the Serbian Orthodox Church "
"His mother was ?uka Mandi?, herself a daughter of a Serbian Orthodox Church priest"
Mandi? is a very Serbian last name...so where you get the idea that he is half Croatian I do not know...but according to my research he is 100% Serb.
That's what I thought.