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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: MasterWolf1 on March 31, 2008, 01:52:09 PM
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I like you bro, glad no one will be banned, you deserve to be here with the rest of us. I want us to be united. Soap Opera drama is damaging to the movement. DWI, you are my brother from another mother and we will stick together like we are brothers to everyone on this forum.
I been busy trying to put an anti Obama Christian website together so I am trying to keep this forum going as well
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DWI, you are an awesome guy...glad you are here with us...
and JDL4ever, i am shocked because you have defended my views in the past as well...i do hope that eventually everybody cools down and reconciles.
This forum is a channel for anger and frustration to what's going on in the world so tempers will flare...
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I just can't trust traitor behavior. Once that trust is damaged its damaged, and it is is a shame I thought JDL4Ever was sincere. This is just wrong.
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JDL4ever helped me last week with banning that BIH Croatian guy who attacked JTF, Serbian Cetnik and me personally! I can't believe he is a traitor! really! could his naivety be involved with this? I mean really, he was a great asset to this forum, how in the world could he do that to Chaim?!?!
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DWI, you are an awesome guy...glad you are here with us...
and JDL4ever, i am shocked because you have defended my views in the past as well...i do hope that eventually everybody cools down and reconciles.
This forum is a channel for anger and frustration to what's going on in the world so tempers will flare...
I hope the same.
I am sad about the development, but I trust in our good Chaim.
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jdl4ever is NOT a traitor. He did betray our trust as a global moderator, which is bad and I hope he repents for this action. But that does not mean that he is a traitor to the cause, G-d forbid. He just reacted angrily and irrationally because he prefers Yekutiel's leadership to JTF.
jdl4ever also abused his authority as a global moderator by unfairly banning DWI for merely expressing a legitimate opinion. And jdl4ever reacted with a hypocritical double standard by hysterically condemning DWI's legitimate criticism of Yekutiel, but at the same time, jdl4ever did not object to the truly vicious lashon hara (malicious gossip and slander) that is directed against JTF on that pathetic forum. In fact, jdl4ever has now joined in the lashon hara against me personally and against JTF in general.
Although jdl4ever's behavior is hypocritical, irrational and unethical, he is not a traitor. He is not an informer and he does not deliberately want to hurt the cause. Being a traitor, G-d forbid, goes way beyond doing what jdl4ever has done. And I say that even though jdl4ever has tried to shame me in public about events that occurred in my personal life many years ago. And jdl4ever succeeded in shaming and embarrassing me in public, and he had to know that what he mentioned would be deeply embarrassing. jdl4ever's personal attack on me was so vicious that even the admins on that other forum deleted it.
Despite this unfortunate behavior, jdl4ever is not a traitor. But we can never trust him again with any administrative position.
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Ironically, jdl4ever does not agree with some of the most horrific aspects of Yekutiel's forum:
1. jdl4ever claims at least that he disagrees with Yekutiel's decision to defend and honor the traitor, informer and thief Irv Rubin יש''ו שר''י.
2. jdl4ever also has disagreed in the past with the anti-Gentile hatred that is preached on Yekutiel's forum.
3. jdl4ever also admitted on our forum that he believes that Yekutiel does not have the talent or ability to build a mass movement that will change history, and jdl4ever wrote that he believes that I do have the ability to build a mass movement that will change history.
I think jdl4ever will quickly get very bored on that dead forum, and will want to return to this forum. But if he does, he will never have any moderating position. In fact, I know FOR SURE that jdl4ever will get very bored on that dead forum, because even Yekutiel is bored there. Yekutiel practically did not write on the forum for several months.
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when activity on a forum replaces activity to help Am Yisrael, bad things happen.
This forum is currently more active than kahane.org.
So what? How does that help Jews? How does it save Jewish lives, or fight Israeli Knesset or Arabs? It just lets people take out steam in a non-aggressive, non-threatening, non-effective manner.
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when activity on a forum replaces activity to help Am Yisrael, bad things happen.
This forum is currently more active than kahane.org.
So what? How does that help Jews? How does it save Jewish lives, or fight Israeli Knesset or Arabs? It just lets people take out steam in a non-aggressive, non-threatening, non-effective manner.
The Kahane.org forum treats righteous non-Jews horribly. Your forum treated me--a b'nai noach with legitimate arguments--like a muslim troll.
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when activity on a forum replaces activity to help Am Yisrael, bad things happen.
This forum is currently more active than kahane.org.
So what? How does that help Jews? How does it save Jewish lives, or fight Israeli Knesset or Arabs? It just lets people take out steam in a non-aggressive, non-threatening, non-effective manner.
doom, learn Hebrew and go to our Hebrew forum and go to our Hebrew videos. There you will see for yourself that we are literally saving the souls of thousands of Israeli Jewish teenagers who know NOTHING about Judaism. Israeli teenagers who do not even know that you cannot use the computer on Shabbat, teenagers who have never lit Shabbat candles, teenagers who have never put on tfillin, teenagers who never had a bar mitzvah.
These teenagers do NOT respect the traditional religious movements or parties in Israel, because they consider them to be out of touch with reality.
But the teenagers DO respect the real Kahanists (if you learn Hebrew, you will discover that WE are the real Kahanists). The teenagers love and respect us. Doom, learn Hebrew and you will discover that we have done what no one else could - we have made Kahanism "cool" in their eyes. When you see secular young Jews on our Hebrew forum turning to Judaism and becoming part of the Eretz Yisrael movement, you will NEVER AGAIN say that we are ineffective.
Now what does our English forum have to do with this? Our great English forum members are financing the building of this new exciting movement.
One other thing we're doing that is VITAL to Jewish survival: Barack Hussein Obama supports Muslim terrrorist Iran, which is building nuclear bombs to destroy Israel, G-d forbid. If you don't understand how serious a threat Obama is, then you're blind. We are the ONLY Jewish group that is organized to defeat Obama.
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when activity on a forum replaces activity to help Am Yisrael, bad things happen.
This forum is currently more active than kahane.org.
So what? How does that help Jews? How does it save Jewish lives, or fight Israeli Knesset or Arabs? It just lets people take out steam in a non-aggressive, non-threatening, non-effective manner.
doom, learn Hebrew and go to our Hebrew forum and go to our Hebrew videos. There you will see for yourself that we are literally saving the souls of thousands of Israeli Jewish teenagers who know NOTHING about Judaism. Israeli teenagers who do not even know that you cannot use the computer on Shabbat, teenagers who have never lit Shabbat candles, teenagers who have never put on tfillin, teenagers who never had a bar mitzvah.
These teenagers do NOT respect the traditional religious movements or parties in Israel, because they consider them to be out of touch with reality.
But the teenagers DO respect the real Kahanists (if you learn Hebrew, you will discover that WE are the real Kahanists). The teenagers love and respect us. Doom, learn Hebrew and you will discover that we have done what no one else could - we have made Kahanism "cool" in their eyes. When you see secular young Jews on our Hebrew forum turning to Judaism and becoming part of the Eretz Yisrael movement, you will NEVER AGAIN say that we are ineffective.
Now what does our English forum have to do with this? Our great English forum members are financing the building of this new exciting movement.
One other thing we're doing that is VITAL to Jewish survival: Barack Hussein Obama supports Muslim terrrorist Iran, which is building nuclear bombs to destroy Israel, G-d forbid. If you don't understand how serious a threat Obama is, then you're blind.
Before Chiam, I was an agnostic who knew nothing of Rabbi Kahane and Judaism.
Now, I am a follower of the Jewish people who considers hinmself a B'nai Noach.
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when activity on a forum replaces activity to help Am Yisrael, bad things happen.
This forum is currently more active than kahane.org.
So what? How does that help Jews? How does it save Jewish lives, or fight Israeli Knesset or Arabs? It just lets people take out steam in a non-aggressive, non-threatening, non-effective manner.
doom, learn Hebrew and go to our Hebrew forum and go to our Hebrew videos.
Bravo.
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Chaim I know he is not a traitor, I think a lot of heat went about and cooler heads will prevail just that there is a trust factor when that is damaged it is damaged. Is it a form of snitching? In a way I believe so. I think especially long time devoted members do need the bennefit and I heard all of this andI still don't get this at all. Too many egos infront of a great aspect.
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This is a sad development. All I can say is thank G-d for Chaim, JTF and our great forum members. All hours of the day our forum is alive and active. Sadly the same can't be said for some other sites ;)
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Chaim, please tell kahaneloyalist to knock it off. He is constantly speaking against the "goy" and attacking Christianity, and then claiming most religious Jews agree with him (which is obviously not true). He has been doing this from day one on our forum, and I am rather tired of it. He also is defending Yekutiel right now--go check out my thread protesting DownwithIslam's banning. No other Jewish members here have a beef with Christendom.
I request that you tell him to stop this completely.
Thanks,
Chaimfan
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I don't understand why all the sudden there is tension again between JTF and Yekutiel from both sides.
Because of those people on both sides who go and curse at Chaim and Yekutiel and who inflate things unnecessarily. Both sides should control those types, but unfortunatly they are given thumbs up for some reason? For the record I dont agree with bashing either Chaim or Yekutiel, and do not understand why their is this stupid fighting and name bashing, which unfortunatly goes on a lot of times agains't leaders, also Rabbis, and others, and if it happens they should be shut up, not praised.
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I don't understand why all the sudden there is tension against between JTF and Yekutiel from both sides.
Because of those people on both sides who go and curse at Chaim and Yekutiel and who inflate things unnecessarily. Both sides should control those types, but unfortunatly they are given thumbs up for some reason? For the record I dont agree with bashing either Chaim or Yekutiel, and do not understand why their is this stupid fighting and name bashing, which unfortunatly goes on a lot of times agains't leaders, also Rabbis, and others, and if it happens they should be shut up, not praised.
I agree with Tzvi on this. People can disagree on stuff, but that's all they can do. Quite frankly, if anyone felt the need to bash someone, it's best not to bash a fellow Kahanist, but a stupid idiotic left wing crazy self hating Jew or Muzzie...the anger and channeling that energy shoudl go towards facebook, youtube muzzie groups which are anti-israel.
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I like both and I find this beyond disturbing in the fact here we go with another hurdle, instead of advancing ourselves to another level we go back a step.
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Thank you everyone for your kind words. I am as happy as ever to be here and wish I could do more to help. My dream is to get very rich and give jtf millions of dollars so we can finally start removing the muslims from our midst. As far as the tension is concerned, it is happening because we are trying to do whats best for jews and Israel. We need to speak out against a forum that calls us "the melting pot forum," Calls any jew who is not like them "the erev rav" and attacks righteous gentiles as if they were muslims. That and the fact that they use the kahane.org name even though it is only setting us kahanists a few steps back. Thank g-d the jtf hebrew forum is growing because that is what matters.
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when activity on a forum replaces activity to help Am Yisrael, bad things happen.
This forum is currently more active than kahane.org.
So what? How does that help Jews? How does it save Jewish lives, or fight Israeli Knesset or Arabs? It just lets people take out steam in a non-aggressive, non-threatening, non-effective manner.
Well unfortunately, the only activity you are "hands on" with is attacking righteous gentiles. You are so against everyone who isnt as observant as you but yet you hate Chaim for bringing secular Israeli jews back to religion. Nothing you say makes sense. On a side note, I believe the tension we are having with the two or three shmucks over at that forum is healthy and good for righteous people simply because we are making sure that righteous people aren't mislead when they see that forum and think that only two or three kahanists exists in the world and that those kahanists hate righteous gentiles. We need to expose this.
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I don't understand why all the sudden there is tension again between JTF and Yekutiel from both sides.
Because of those people on both sides who go and curse at Chaim and Yekutiel and who inflate things unnecessarily. Both sides should control those types, but unfortunatly they are given thumbs up for some reason? For the record I dont agree with bashing either Chaim or Yekutiel, and do not understand why their is this stupid fighting and name bashing, which unfortunatly goes on a lot of times agains't leaders, also Rabbis, and others, and if it happens they should be shut up, not praised.
Tzvi, valid points were made as to why yekutiel is so wrong. We didn't lie about him or smear him, something which they do against Chaim. Lets start sticking up for a man like Chaim who has totally sacrificed his life for jews. The man is not married, has no children and can't get into Israel simply because of his desire to help jews all over the world. Their is no way you can compare him to anyone else.
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My question is: If the this other site is basically irrelevent and what 3 or 4 people who are hardly active why bother? I mean this forum is where its at.
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listen...let them be...don't bother them...bother the muzzies who are growing exponentially...Not 3 Jews who try to be Kahanists.
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Yes but the problem is they are giving the great kahane legacy a bad name. The sacrifices of the rabbi don't doeserve a forum in his name that totally is against everything he stood for.
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when activity on a forum replaces activity to help Am Yisrael, bad things happen.
This forum is currently more active than kahane.org.
So what? How does that help Jews? How does it save Jewish lives, or fight Israeli Knesset or Arabs? It just lets people take out steam in a non-aggressive, non-threatening, non-effective manner.
Being a member of both forums, I think both have there place on the net. Each forum has its pros and cons.
I have never been treated badly on kahane.org, to me that speaks volumes.
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Chaim, please tell kahaneloyalist to knock it off. He is constantly speaking against the "goy" and attacking Christianity, and then claiming most religious Jews agree with him (which is obviously not true). He has been doing this from day one on our forum, and I am rather tired of it. He also is defending Yekutiel right now--go check out my thread protesting DownwithIslam's banning. No other Jewish members here have a beef with Christendom.
I request that you tell him to stop this completely.
Thanks,
Chaimfan
CF, we are not like that splinter forum that gets hysterical when someone disagrees with them. kahaneloyalist disagrees with us. And doom777 frequently ridicules me and attacks me as an admin on the splinter forum. Not to mention Dominater96. We don't ban people who disagree with us and criticize us. Even jdl4ever is not banned while he is currently emailing our admins telling them that I have mental disorders (look who's talking about mental disorders). Can you imagine if DWI tried to email admins on the splinter forum accusing Yekutiel of having a mental disorder?
CF, one of the reasons we are so much bigger and more successful than the splinter forums is because we allow criticism and debate. The splinter forums don't allow criticism because they would lose in any honest debate.
CF, JUST TO PROVE HOW INTERESTING AND EXCITING OUR FORUM IS COMPARED TO THE SPLINTER FORUMS, I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT EVEN THE ADMINS ON THE SPLINTER FORUMS SPEND MUCH MORE TIME ON OUR FORUM THAN ON THEIR OWN FORUMS.
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My question is: If the this other site is basically irrelevent and what 3 or 4 people who are hardly active why bother? I mean this forum is where its at.
I agree. This other site is a joke, and we are wasting our time. I suppose I am also guilty of spending too much time on this in the past couple days. As usual, Wolf, you are a voice of common sense.
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I agree that the other forum is a joke. Chaim, have you seen the latest lie that they have spread about you over at the other forum?
I posted a link in the other thread I started.
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listen...let them be...don't bother them...bother the muzzies who are growing exponentially...Not 3 Jews who try to be Kahanists.
You are also a voice of common sense, Dr. Dan. What you are saying makes sense.
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listen...let them be...don't bother them...bother the muzzies who are growing exponentially...Not 3 Jews who try to be Kahanists.
Well said as always, Dr. Dan.
The threat that Barack Hussein Obama and Hillary Clinton poise to Western Civilization is more than enough of a reason by itself for all of us to be united and focused on the task at hand to defeat them.
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I have never been treated badly on kahane.org, to me that speaks volumes.
Fascinating.
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DWI,
You're a Great member, a very outspoke individual who doesn't take a back seat to anybody. O0 (similar to C.F.)
We have not yet met but I'm confident that your the genuine article and not just here to blow hot air... Keep up the good work!
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I have never been treated badly on kahane.org, to me that speaks volumes.
Fascinating.
Yes it is
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DWI,
You're a Great member, a very outspoke individual who doesn't take a back seat to anybody. O0 (similar to C.F.)
We have not yet met but I'm confident that your the genuine article and not just here to blow hot air... Keep up the good work!
We will meet soon, I promise.
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Do you all see what JTF created in what like 2 years already..
We attract members all around the world frome very walks of life.
We have of all religious backgrounds, national backgrounds
I don't go to the Hebrew forum cause I don't speak Hebrew but from what I hear it grew gigantic.
And the English forum is wonderful. Look at what progress we made in just a few years. I was in this forum when it began, and look at it now. At anytime of the day you see member activities.
So forget the rest. We must stick together and let the others have their petty envy. Now we are in a struggle to defeat Obammie and his so called Pastor that to me is the test of what a true mass movement is. Not worrying about crap from some 2 cent forum of just 3 people who is never around.
What you say guys and gals you with that or what?
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Do you all see what JTF created in what like 2 years already..
We attract members all around the world frome very walks of life.
We have of all religious backgrounds, national backgrounds
I don't go to the Hebrew forum cause I don't speak Hebrew but from what I hear it grew gigantic.
And the English forum is wonderful. Look at what progress we made in just a few years. I was in this forum when it began, and look at it now. At anytime of the day you see member activities.
So forget the rest. We must stick together and let the others have their petty envy. Now we are in a struggle to defeat Obammie and his so called Pastor that to me is the test of what a true mass movement is. Not worrying about crap from some 2 cent forum of just 3 people who is never around.
What you say guys and gals you with that or what?
I agree I think people need to move it on.
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MasterWolf1,
-That was a great statement.
Heated debate between like minded individuals is a healthy thing.
I think that the real strength of the JTF -(being a new member) is that it does not myopically focus on views from only a few certain people.
Chaim does a great job in welcoming righteous gentiles -(BTW I didn't know I was one before joining this forum! O0 -This is a difficult thing I know for any religous based forum to do. This however is JTF's great strength and I sincerely hope some comfort is derived from Jewish members who can see that they are not alone in this struggle and that there is genuine support that exists from outside normal religous boundaries.
Many Christians, myself included, are very worried at the strength of attack and violence against Israel. This is a country that has had its right to exist since Moses' time and which is right at the tip of the spear in the fight against Islamic world takeover. Israel, for any non-muslim needs and deserves our 100% support.
We have had 9/11, Madrid and London to name but a few, but the truth is Isrealis cannot hide or move away from this kind of threat and face this hatred and determined attempts to annihilate them every day, at point blank range; from local Hamas threats to imbecilic vitriol from many other surrounding Muslim countries.
I have found in JTF a great forum to share views and exchange support on many related issues and I have to say that Chaim and David's u-tube videos brought me here and inspired me to get involved...something BTW that I would not normally do.
Since then I have had really rewarding discussions with forum members on very sensitive issues that would be immediately suppressed by any other media website or forum. As a non-Jewish contributor I have also felt closer to my own religion in uniting with the JTF cause. It has been inspirational in every way and has even (through measured and from very respectful advice from forum members), helped to resolve a very sensitive issue within my own family.
The best I think is yet to come... this is a life-changing forum for those that are prepared to give of themselves and identify with the wider struggle. Let us not dwell too long and waste too much time on inter-factional squabbling and rise above it. We have bigger fish to fry.
-just my humble 2 cents worth,
Dibbz
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I could not say it better dibblah O0 Let's concentrate on real issues and let enwy and hatred consume itself.
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Yes but the problem is they are giving the great kahane legacy a bad name. The sacrifices of the rabbi don't doeserve a forum in his name that totally is against everything he stood for.
Listen, a Jew who gives Kahane a bad name is just as bad as Rabin...Anyone who dares do such a thing and claims to be a Kahanist, is an evil twit who has an inferiority complex.
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I agree that the other forum is a joke. Chaim, have you seen the latest lie that they have spread about you over at the other forum?
I posted a link in the other thread I started.
see? you are doing it again? You say that the other forum is a joke etc etc..and then you go back on it to see what else they are saying...You have to stop that!
Let Yekuteil train dogs on the hilltops and trying to get members...it's not a bad thing...we will do our thing creating a mass movement finding loyal supporters and spreading the message. Eventually, those trained dogs will be nothing compared to the large masses we gather to act against our enemies who wish to destory Israel and all righteous people.
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I agree that the other forum is a joke. Chaim, have you seen the latest lie that they have spread about you over at the other forum?
I posted a link in the other thread I started.
see? you are doing it again? You say that the other forum is a joke etc etc..and then you go back on it to see what else they are saying...You have to stop that!
Let Yekuteil train dogs on the hilltops and trying to get members...it's not a bad thing...we will do our thing creating a mass movement finding loyal supporters and spreading the message. Eventually, those trained dogs will be nothing compared to the large masses we gather to act against our enemies who wish to destory Israel and all righteous people.
Here is an interesting thought though.
If he hadn't done that, then jdl4ever may have "revealed himself" later, and that might have been worse!!!!
There isn't much point continuing doing that though.. Didn't Yekutiel stop slander against chaim.. It took him a long time.
When I saw DWI's posts on the kahane forum, my initial feeling was why stirr things up.. But that feeling was only 10 seconds long.. 10 seconds later, I realised.. He was doing the right thing, the kahanist thing. They had attacked chaim and JTF over and over again. So he was going on the offensive.. countering them. As Chaim once said. As they are merciful, so should you be merciful. As R Kahane once said, A game has one set of rules. Don't get trodden on (like a valley). Infact, from my experience, reacting like that probably does more to get bad people to stop, than being "nice" and doing nothing and getting trodden on. He stood up for JTF like a Kahanist..
Whether you agreed or disagreed with DWI over that.. And glad to see most agreed. You cannot criticise him, because look what they said about JTF, all the time, endlessly.. Anybody said the words "chaim" or "jtf" anything and they would turn it into insults against JTF.
Nevertheless, as I understand it, Yekutiel has taken actions to stop the attacks on JTF on the forum. He has said it will not be tolerated.
And therefore.. I think DWI should stop attacking theirs.
But this issue with jdl4ever is something else... and what I have heard here of what he did is totally wrong and outrageous.
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This entire thing put my stomach in knots and really hurts. I just feel so deeply for Chaim. He never deserved to be attacked like that. Never. It was just so wrong in so many ways and I never expected it.
I try not to say much about this topic so I don't speak lashon hora about religious Jewish people. We should all be careful not to make the same mistakes. It's tough sometimes when you feel upset, angry, or hurt.
What I can say is that my heart and prayers are with Chaim and JTF. Chaim is one of the most amazing, courageous, and dedicated men I have ever met in my life. I will always be loyal and deeply appreciative toward him; and I will always profoundly appreciate what he has done to save the countless lives of the Jewish people.
"Whosoever preserves a single soul of Israel, Scripture ascribes to him as if he had preserved a complete world" Talmud - Tractate Sanhedrin 37a
Think how much greater it is to save countless Jewish souls and what it means to speak against such a man. Any man who speaks against Chaim will have to answer to Hashem when their day comes... and I don't envy them. I think the Torah and Talmud is VERY clear on this issue.
Chaim is a very high soul with a very honest and sincere heart. That's why Hashem has blessed JTF and allowed us to grow.
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I like you bro, glad no one will be banned, you deserve to be here with the rest of us. I want us to be united. Soap Opera drama is damaging to the movement. DWI, you are my brother from another mother and we will stick together like we are brothers to everyone on this forum.
I been busy trying to put an anti Obama Christian website together so I am trying to keep this forum going as well
I'd be glad to put a group on Facebook for you if you like. I already have a Jews Againts Obama group with over 400 members
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Shlomo,
Thank you for re-itterating this point as a religous thing, because that is what it is.
If Israel falls the the West falls with it. This is my prayer:
Let us pray for Chiam and all he stands for. Lets us try and help protect the Jewish people and their homeland.
Let us pray for the Jews, Isrealis and righteous gentiles who fight against the horde.
Let us pray for a secure Jewish homeland in Israel, a bastion of freedom in the US and an end to Muslim appeasement in Europe.
Let us get back to God. We have only one life. Lets us honour our ancestors with it and do the right thing.
This is my prayer.
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I like you bro, glad no one will be banned, you deserve to be here with the rest of us. I want us to be united. Soap Opera drama is damaging to the movement. DWI, you are my brother from another mother and we will stick together like we are brothers to everyone on this forum.
I been busy trying to put an anti Obama Christian website together so I am trying to keep this forum going as well
I'd be glad to put a group on Facebook for you if you like. I already have a Jews Againts Obama group with over 400 members
Thank you that would be great and dearly appriciated... I do have the mailing lists that I can pass it to over 500 people and they can pass it