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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Archie on April 13, 2008, 08:29:40 PM
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For your reading pleasure:
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Every single thing we see only proves that everything that Chaim tells us is true. Chaims version of the jdl's activity is always proven right because he was the actual one behind it all. Notice how the splinter groups' and their "leaders" are never mentioned.
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send these links to kahane.org only saying..."any comments?"
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Nah, I don't have time to waste with them loosers! Good idea though ^-^
Irv Rubin was nothing more than a jealous troublemaking fraudster with a handfull of low life associates.
I love it when Chaim punks him ;D
Here's what IRV said in august 1985 (ridiculous):
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khana.org......bunch of fags~
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khana.org......bunch of fags~
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Yeah, I can't believe that Yekutiel says that Rabbi Kahane , when he was in Israel, never really discussed about Chaim...
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This is great. It is historic and a treasure. Wow! Well done to you. So vital!! :D
Zev
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Read this, it's facinating:
THE JDL AND SOVIET JEWRY
Understanding JDL’s role in Free Soviet Jewry movement
BY: LARRY HERSH Special to the CJN
Youthful members of the Jewish Defense League display signs and a coffin at 1971 demonstration in Public Square.
In the 1960s and ’70s, the plight of many Soviet Jews who were attempting unsuccessfully to emigrate became public.
At the time, the U.S. and Soviet Union were engaged in cultural-exchange programs. Touring the Soviet Union under U.S. State Department auspices were some of our symphony orchestras, concert pianists, Broadway dance companies, and jazz and swing ensembles. Touring the U.S. were two famous Russian ballet companies and a world-renowned Russian folk-dance company.
The situation for Jews wanting to leave the Soviet Union, however, only worsened, and the Free Soviet Jewry movement began. The first organized movement occurred here in Cleveland at The West Temple (see cover story). In time, a Free Soviet Jewry committee was established in every major city in the U.S.
However, the Free Soviet Jewry movement got nowhere. The Soviet Union did not answer letters and requests or respond to pleas. The U.S. State Department was not helpful either. our State Department felt that the U.S.-USSR cultural exchange program could not be jeopardized because of Jewish emigration requests. The attitude of the U.S. State Department and the USSR echoed attitudes of 1934-1938.
Then “the call” was made.
“The call” was always a telephone call to the Jewish Defense League (JDL), headed by the late Rabbi Meir Kahane zt”l, H”yd, and nationally headquartered in New York City.
“The call” came from someone at the synagogue or temple. Often it was the rabbi. The problem was explained; assistance requested and, always, the caller demanded anonymity, explaining that he could not be associated with hooliganism.
In response to these calls, JDL always made three requests: (1) Could the shul, temple, committee contribute manpower? (2) Could it contribute to the JDL? (3) Could it make a public statement praising the JDL?
The response was always the same. “We are respected, respectable people. We do not participate in rowdiness; though we appreciate JDL, we cannot condone JDL.”
Nonetheless, JDL immediately set about its task. This required finding a place or places to create disruption and turmoil without inflicting physical damage to people. The venue chose performances of the Soviet Russian dance company for the U.S./USSR cultural-exchange program.
The disruption must be civil disobedience rather than terrorism. People are not to be hurt. The hope is that attention will be paid to the wannabe émigrés. (See “Levels” list above)
The JDL’s actions worked. The Soviet Union and U.S. State Department did have a strong investment in the cultural-exchange program. Talks began involving the legislative offices of Cong. Charles Vanik (D-Ohio.) and Sen. Henry “Scoop”Jackson (D-Wash.), the Free Soviet Jewry committees, the Soviet foreign secretary, and the U.S. State Department.
JDL refused to participate in negotiations, deferring to the Free Soviet Jewry committees. Overtures to the JDL to “call off the dogs” were also refused, initially.
JDL did cease its civil-disobedience program to fulfill a request made by the Free Soviet Jewry committee, who felt it would make them look good if it were perceived that they had the power to “call off the dogs.”
The people who negotiated the freedom of Soviet Jews to emigrate should be forever praised. But it should never be forgotten that it was the late Rabbi Meir Kahane and JDL that brought the Soviet Union and the U.S. State Department to that negotiating table by rats, mice, stink bombs, smoke bombs, pickets, demonstrations, and thousands of young heroes lying in a D.C. street blocking traffic and accepting arrest.
The U.S. and USSR did not come willingly, but were rather dragged kicking and screaming to that pro-Jewish table. So? What else is new?
The JDL got Soviet and State Department attention.
Larry Hersh was Cleveland coordinator of JDL during the Free Soviet Jewry movement.
Levels of action taken by JDL
• Informational booths and tables politely talking to theater patrons about refuseniks.
• Peaceful picketing of doorways to the theater before the performance.
• Release of rats and/or mice throughout the theater in New York City during performances (in late 1960s and ’70s).
• Firing of stink bombs and smoke bombs in theater in New York.
• Peaceful demonstration, complete with permit, in Washington, D.C., in which demonstrators lay down in the street and had to be carried off, thereby disrupting traffic.
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I love the rats and mice one!Never thaught of that one! O0
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This is great. It is historic and a treasure. Wow! Well done to you. So vital!! :D
Zev
Thanks ;)
I have better resolution scans of the articles, but the message size limit forced me to dilute the resolution of the images...
Anyway, I'm glad I found the articles. I always knew that Chaim is telling the Truth (yeah yeah, that sounds suck up, but it is the truth :::D).
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Kahane.org was never a "splinter" from the JDL, it was set up as part of Kahanist activities by members of Kahane Chai, which had split from Kach following the Rav's murder though most of the Kach chapters and activists went with them.
Yeah, I can't believe that Yekutiel says that Rabbi Kahane , when he was in Israel, never really discussed about Chaim...
None of these articles prove the reverse, Yekutiel was Rabbi Kahane's zt'l right hand in Israel, Chaim led the JDL in America for a time, this fact doesnt prove anything in regards to Israel.
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Kahane.org was never a "splinter" from the JDL, it was set up as part of Kahanist activities by members of Kahane Chai, which had split from Kach following the Rav's murder though most of the Kach chapters and activists went with them.
Yeah, I can't believe that Yekutiel says that Rabbi Kahane , when he was in Israel, never really discussed about Chaim...
None of these articles prove the reverse, Yekutiel was Rabbi Kahane's zt'l right hand in Israel, Chaim led the JDL in America for a time, this fact doesnt prove anything in regards to Israel.
Thanks for informing me :)
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send these links to kahane.org only saying..."any comments?"
What the hell is wrong with you or anybody that keeps mentioning them. Stop mentioning that damn forum.. Or mention it if relevant, but stop mentioning it in the context of stirring things up.
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Kahane.org was never a "splinter" from the JDL, it was set up as part of Kahanist activities by members of Kahane Chai, which had split from Kach following the Rav's murder though most of the Kach chapters and activists went with them.
Yeah, I can't believe that Yekutiel says that Rabbi Kahane , when he was in Israel, never really discussed about Chaim...
None of these articles prove the reverse, Yekutiel was Rabbi Kahane's zt'l right hand in Israel, Chaim led the JDL in America for a time, this fact doesnt prove anything in regards to Israel.
Kahaneloyalist, you amaze me.
Robert Friedman ys''v wrote a book and did many front page articles in the Village Voice about the Kahanist movement in America and Israel in the 1980s.
Friedman wrote about me many times, and actually made me the main subject of many of his Village Voice articles. Friedman attended the JDL convention at the Penta Hotel where Rabbi Kahane appointed me as National Chairman of the JDL, and Friedman writes about this in his book and in the Village Voice.
Friedman also wrote extensively about the Kach movement in Israel and about Rabbi Kahane's activities in Israel right up until the assassination. I have Friedman's evil book in front of me right now (I did NOT buy it, one of our JDL members took it out of the library and made copies.) Friedman mentions literally HUNDREDS of people who worked with Rabbi Kahane, or who had some contact or association with him in Israel.
BUT NO WHERE IN THE BOOK OR IN ANY OF THE VOICE ARTICLES IS MIKE GUZOFSKY (YEKUTIEL) MENTIONED. NOW IF YEKUTIEL WAS REALLY THE RABBI'S "RIGHT HAND", AS YOU AND HE CLAIM, WOULD HE NOT HAVE BEEN MENTIONED PROMINENTLY WHEN ALMOST EVERYONE ELSE WAS MENTIONED? HE WAS NEVER MENTIONED AT ALL!
After the Rabbi was murdered, Yekutiel claimed that the Rabbi gave him a letter in which it was stated that if anything happened, Yekutiel was to become the leader of the movement. And so Kach members demanded that Yekutiel show them the letter. Yekutiel stalled and evaded until he finally showed them a vague and generic letter from the Rabbi that did NOT say anything about Yekutiel becoming his successor. Rabbi Kroizer, Baruch Marzel, Moshe Naiman and many other Kach leaders attest to the fact that the letter was nothing and that Yekutiel was making false claims about the Rabbi appointing him as a successor. For years on his forum, Yekutiel continued to mention the letter as his proof. AND SO I ASK YEKUTIEL TO RELEASE THE LETTER. WE WILL REPRINT IN FULL ON OUR FORUM AND TRANSLATE IT. LET'S SEE THE LETTER!
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that is fantastic info.
archie the archivist , are you able to publish any of this on the forum?
TO CHAIM:
Chaim: I have Libby Kahane`s biography of Rabbi Meir Kahane ztl, it covers 1932-1975
I have read it.. She says she does not want to repeat the story of the JDL, because that is in rabbi kahane`s story of the JDL book. (she probably won`t care that much about the later stories with the JDL either)..
But she -is- interested in people sending her recollections of rabbi meir kahane.
If you have recollections, presumably after 1975 is better, then that would be ideal. You could send them to her and you may get mentioned in volume 2.
I will include in this thread exactly the information she requested in the page at the end of her book. And her email address.
She was asked on radio if she knew you, and I think she said she knew of you. I don`t suggest people here email her..or she could get a barrage of email as well meaning JTFers email en masse trying to get you in. But I do suggest that -you- contact her.
She gives her email address and a physical address, to send her information.
Here is the last page of her book before the footnotes
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Afterword
In the ensuing years, Meir devoted himself to teaching and influencing American Jews through his writing and lectures. However, he realised .....
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I hope to discuss the events of 1976-1990 in a sequel to the present book and would appreciate personal recollections and documents conerning those years. Please send to ............ Email messages can be sent to .........
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I remember you had some great stories, e.g. the guy who had the arm blown off. And you heard him ask his question to the rabbi.
There isn`t much violence in her book, so maybe try to avoid violent episodes!
she may be interested in other info, but first and foremost i would send her what suits best... And you may get a mention in her book from it too. Given your position in the JDL, and your feelings for the rabbi, you really merit a proper discussion with her.
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that is fantastic info.
archie the archivist , are you able to publish any of this on the forum?
Publish what? The ''letter'' from Rabbi Kahane to Yekutiel?
Well, I don't have it. I doubt that anyone will ever see that letter again, if it ever existed.
I mean, I know that Yekutiel has been living in Israel for more than 2 decades, but still...I made it into a serious research, and I didn't find any trace of him in the Printed Medias of the country, going back to the beginning of the 1900s. (I use digital media databanks to do so).
In summary, when he was living in the United States, he was just an average joe, totally ignored by the Press.
Funny that he became the Rav's right-hand man in Israel, and ''heir'' of the movement ''just like that''.
Rabbi Kahane was excellent in Public Relations. He was the best. Do you think he would have chosen someone with similar skills to carry on the legacy of the movement? (!)
I don't think Yekutiel is very gifted. I just find it infortunate that visitors of the kahane.org web site have to put up with his ugly mug.
Archie.
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I was referring to the relevant articles from Village Voice, and the relevant pages from Freidman`s book.
Regarding Yekutiel , I don`t really know what he said about Chaim that should cause any ill feeling towards him. He did allow attacks on JTF and chaim on his forum - for a long time, and after it calmed down, and DWI started posting attacks on his movement, he also allowed that, without even banning him! There is an admin there, Doom777, who could have banned him but didn`t. Clearly they just have an open policy on their forum. It did give them a taste of their own medicine and get them to behave a bit better. But I think they had calmed down before that anyway. As far as what Yekutiel has said, he mentioned that he did hear the rabbi mention Chaim, (not like we need him to tell us that, but it was in the context of people saying nobody knew him). And he has spoken highly of the sacrifice Chaim has made.. and mentioned that chaim has good hebrew skills. And from what he has said, he doesn`t see himself as a leader trying to change things, he is just trying to spread kahanist ideas in the hope that a leader will crop up. The only thing I saw him write against JTF, was along the lines of "I don`t know what chaim thinks he is acheiving building up a mass movement". But that was just one comment, and after considerable harassement from DWI that he is nothing and chaim is great, and he doesn`t even consider himself to be starting up a movement to take over and change things..
The fact is, that Chaim was clearly a big JDL figure, and close to Rabbi Kahane. And Yekutiel probably has a history with him too. No reason to start a [censored] contest . Or attack Yekutiel..
Maybe I missed some history on the forums.. But I am speaking from what I read on each.
It looks like a simple mistake of assuming that they run their forum like ours, banning people they don`t like, and that messages that were ever consistently on there, are not offensive to yekutiel.. But that would be a wrong assumption.
I may be wrong though.. I don`t really understand why a line is being taken against Yekutiel personally. Maybe I am missing facts or misanalysing. If Chaim disagrees, I am probably wrong!
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I was referring to the relevant articles from Village Voice, and the relevant pages from Freidman`s book.
Ok. I understand you now! Sorry.
Yes, for the Friedman's book....and maybe (big chance of YES) for the Village Voice. I would need approximative dates...that would help a lot.
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You can't bring any sort of proof from an AIDS infected parasite's book of lies about you and the JDL. Yekutiel did lead a JDL camp in the US in the 80's and there is a Youtube video of this camp and he had a high level position in the Rav's party and was R' Binyamin Kahane's right hand man so there is good proof that he was indeed very close to R' Kahane Zs'l. According to Yekutiel's own words, he got very close to the Rav in the final few years before he was assassinated since many people the Rav trusted abandoned him or stabbed him in the back. Two eyewitnesses on the Kahane.org forum support Yekutiel's claim by the way. I don't know anything about the letter story so I'll have to not comment about that since I really never heard this story before. Let's see what Rebbitzen Kahane's second volume says about you and Yekutiel.
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Kahane.org was never a "splinter" from the JDL, it was set up as part of Kahanist activities by members of Kahane Chai, which had split from Kach following the Rav's murder though most of the Kach chapters and activists went with them.
Yeah, I can't believe that Yekutiel says that Rabbi Kahane , when he was in Israel, never really discussed about Chaim...
None of these articles prove the reverse, Yekutiel was Rabbi Kahane's zt'l right hand in Israel, Chaim led the JDL in America for a time, this fact doesnt prove anything in regards to Israel.
Kahaneloyalist, you amaze me.
Robert Friedman ys''v wrote a book and did many front page articles in the Village Voice about the Kahanist movement in America and Israel in the 1980s.
Friedman wrote about me many times, and actually made me the main subject of many of his Village Voice articles. Friedman attended the JDL convention at the Penta Hotel where Rabbi Kahane appointed me as National Chairman of the JDL, and Friedman writes about this in his book and in the Village Voice.
Friedman also wrote extensively about the Kach movement in Israel and about Rabbi Kahane's activities in Israel right up until the assassination. I have Friedman's evil book in front of me right now (I did NOT buy it, one of our JDL members took it out of the library and made copies.) Friedman mentions literally HUNDREDS of people who worked with Rabbi Kahane, or who had some contact or association with him in Israel.
BUT NO WHERE IN THE BOOK OR IN ANY OF THE VOICE ARTICLES IS MIKE GUZOFSKY (YEKUTIEL) MENTIONED. NOW IF YEKUTIEL WAS REALLY THE RABBI'S "RIGHT HAND", AS YOU AND HE CLAIM, WOULD HE NOT HAVE BEEN MENTIONED PROMINENTLY WHEN ALMOST EVERYONE ELSE WAS MENTIONED? HE WAS NEVER MENTIONED AT ALL!
After the Rabbi was murdered, Yekutiel claimed that the Rabbi gave him a letter in which it was stated that if anything happened, Yekutiel was to become the leader of the movement. And so Kach members demanded that Yekutiel show them the letter. Yekutiel stalled and evaded until he finally showed them a vague and generic letter from the Rabbi that did NOT say anything about Yekutiel becoming his successor. Rabbi Kroizer, Baruch Marzel, Moshe Naiman and many other Kach leaders attest to the fact that the letter was nothing and that Yekutiel was making false claims about the Rabbi appointing him as a successor. For years on his forum, Yekutiel continued to mention the letter as his proof. AND SO I ASK YEKUTIEL TO RELEASE THE LETTER. WE WILL REPRINT IN FULL ON OUR FORUM AND TRANSLATE IT. LET'S SEE THE LETTER!
Chaim, you are so right. How anyone could believe Guzzy is a joke. All the documentation proves that you were the only head of the jdl that did anything positive and your version is the only one factually correct. When guzzy is not stuffing his mouth with fleish, he is feeding his two or three member peanut gallery misinformation and distortions.
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There are always usurpers and always be ,unfortunatly.
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JDL4EVER, of course you can bring proof from friedmans book. He is a homo aids infected parasite but the guy went to the jdl meeting and reported what was going on. He was employed by a paper and he was reporting for them. His mission was to expose right wing jews and if such a thing as "guzofsky" existed, he would of been exposed as well. Friedman was trying to hurt the jdl so guzzy would of been talked about and lied about had he in any way shape or form been an active jdl member. Besides, when I see what guzzy is accomplishing now and the way he now speaks, I see everything I need to know. How could a man like guzzy who can't get a proper sentence of english out of his mouth be the guy who managed to get jdl on the map and to be the powerful leader. The guy is a native born American and he seems so illiterate and stupid, pardon my language. The guy puts people to sleep. Are you telling me this was a man who was able to speak to the media and do what Chaim was able to do? Give me a freaking break!!!! Wake up!!
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So DWI, if Chaim's name isn't stated in Rebbetzin Kahane's second volume of the Rav's biography will you say the same thing that you just said? You are full of it. Perhaps you don't realize that Yekutiel is a very humble guy and doesn't stand out; this is the reason why Friedman didn't pay attention to him. Yekutiel is the type of person who is does a lot of action but talks very little, so many underestimated him. He did serve 2 years in Israeli prison for his activities so he must have been doing something other than eating peanuts as you suggested.
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So DWI, if Chaim's name isn't stated in Rebbetzin Kahane's second volume of the Rav's biography will you say the same thing that you just said? You are full of it. Perhaps you don't realize that Yekutiel is a very humble guy and doesn't stand out; this is the reason why Friedman didn't pay attention to him. Yekutiel is the type of person who is does a lot of action but talks very little, so many underestimated him. He did serve 2 years in Israeli prison for his activities so he must have been doing something other than eating peanuts as you suggested.
Hi JDL4EVER,
I would be interested in learning about Yekutiel's Curriculum Vitae.
Can you tell us a little bit more about his past accomplishments for the Jewish cause? (maybe in another thread, it would be more appropriate...)
Thank you.
Archie.
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So DWI, if Chaim's name isn't stated in Rebbetzin Kahane's second volume of the Rav's biography will you say the same thing that you just said? You are full of it. Perhaps you don't realize that Yekutiel is a very humble guy and doesn't stand out; this is the reason why Friedman didn't pay attention to him. Yekutiel is the type of person who is does a lot of action but talks very little, so many underestimated him. He did serve 2 years in Israeli prison for his activities so he must have been doing something other than eating peanuts as you suggested.
I don't need the rabetzins book to explain something that major newspapers in the us have already documented. Their is already concrete evidence opposing guzofskys version of events. You claim the guy is all action? If guzzy is al action like you say, when do you predict he will finally have the thousands of people behind him which is required for him to get anything done? The guys can't motivate people if his life depended on it.
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Where is Chaim's tens of thousands of followers? And Yekutiel arranged the Rav's funeral which had 500,000 people in it. Hundreds of thousands of people signed Yekutiel's referendum. Did Chaim even make one rally so we can count his true followers? Yekutiel at least made a rally for Pollard recently where he got arrested and had a couple of people. I don't see any rallies Chaim has made so I can't count any followers. Members on a forum don't count as followers by the way.
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Members on a forum don't count as followers by the way.
Times have changed my friend. This idea of local chapters, local followers, is over.
Chaim has a big movement, a movement that is very real. It may be virtual, but it's global and international and nobody can stop it's growth.
10 years down the line, the JTF will have hundreds of thousands of supporters. We will see who laugh last.
Regards,
Archie.
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Listen, I challenge DWI to make a JTF rally, have Chaim appear and see if more than 25 people show up. Then brag to me on the thousands of followers JTF has. Yekutiel at least had 30 people show up to his rally for Pollard which was completely last minute and unadvertised. Who cares anyways, this is not a competition. Chaim can do his thing and Yekutiel his thing, they are both trying to do good things. Why do you think everything is a competition?
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Listen, I challenge DWI to make a JTF rally, have Chaim appear and see if more than 25 people show up. Then brag to me on the thousands of followers JTF has. Yekutiel at least had 30 people show up to his rally for Pollard which was completely last minute and unadvertised. Who cares anyways, this is not a competition. Chaim can do his thing and Yekutiel his thing, they are both trying to do good things. Why do you think everything is a competition?
Forget the challenge buddy. We already proved that Chaim did what he said he did.
Now, it's up to you to show us, and proove us with real tangible proofs, that your friend Yekutiel does/did something beneficial for the Jewish People.
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Listen, I challenge DWI to make a JTF rally, have Chaim appear and see if more than 25 people show up. Then brag to me on the thousands of followers JTF has. Yekutiel at least had 30 people show up to his rally for Pollard which was completely last minute and unadvertised. Who cares anyways, this is not a competition. Chaim can do his thing and Yekutiel his thing, they are both trying to do good things. Why do you think everything is a competition?
Forget the challenge buddy. We already proved that Chaim did what he said he did.
Now, it's up to you to show us, and proove us with real tangible proofs, that your friend Yekutiel does/did something beneficial for the Jewish People.
Archie, you are so right. It's a digital age in which people no longer have to meet to arrange things. I want a jtf meeting just to energize the movt but thats it. Chaim has a hebrew forum with over a thousand members. Yekutiel doesn't have even one hebrew speaking supporter. Jdl4ever, you sound like you are in a fantasy world.
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Of course the onus of proof is on the fraud guzzy. Chaim is such a talented motivational speaker and instead of trying to work with him to advance the cause, guzzy would rather slander chaim out of pure jealousy. The atmosphere in a morgue is more lively than one of yekutiels videos. The guy should be willing to put his ego aside for the benefit of the jewish people.
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Chaim worked with rabbi kahane since he was 14 years old. He went to jail because of the instructions handed to him by rabbi kahane. Everything that Chaim has said is being proven correct through documentation and the splinter group is looking like a bigger bunch of frauds and liars minute by minute.
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Listen DWI, Yekutiel does not have to follow Chaim to be a righteous individual. I don't know where you make up this nonsense that anyone who doesn't follow Chaim is evil. But in Judaism, it is possible to have 2 people both doing great things without one being jealous of the other and calling him evil for not kissing his ass. In the Talmud, there were many Rabbis in one time period who were very great in wisdom and not once did one Rabbi tell the other Rabbi to stop doing his thing and kiss his ass. You are making up crazy nonsense as you go along. I don't care if some homeless bum with an IQ of 10 had a dog program that saved 1 jewish life in Israel, such a person would be a very righteous man for doing such a great Mitzvah. Who cares if he doesn't follow Chaim? Who cares? Why do you feel the need to curse out any righteous individual who doesn't worship Chaim? You are very crazy and illogical.
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JDL for ever,
I do not worship Chaim.
Thank you.
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Why respectfuly,Do you stay on this forum?Are you here to forment trouble!I think so and im getting sick of this manure!
wayne jude >:(
Jtf4 ever???????????
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Listen DWI, Yekutiel does not have to follow Chaim to be a righteous individual. I don't know where you make up this nonsense that anyone who doesn't follow Chaim is evil. But in Judaism, it is possible to have 2 people both doing great things without one being jealous of the other and calling him evil for not kissing his donkey. In the Talmud, there were many Rabbis in one time period who were very great in wisdom and not once did one Rabbi tell the other Rabbi to stop doing his thing and kiss his donkey. You are making up crazy nonsense as you go along. I don't care if some homeless bum with an IQ of 10 had a dog program that saved 1 jewish life in Israel, such a person would be a very righteous man for doing such a great Mitzvah. Who cares if he doesn't follow Chaim? Who cares? Why do you feel the need to curse out any righteous individual who doesn't worship Chaim? You are very crazy and illogical.
You are distorting again. I do not attack guzzy for not following Chaim. He is clearly being attacked for his lies and fraud.
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You accuse this righteous man falsely of being a fraud, I have not seen one true thing come out of your mouth about Yekutiel other than vicious slander like him being fat and doing nothing but stuff his mouth with food all the time.
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Why respectfuly,Do you stay on this forum?Are you here to forment trouble!I think so and im getting sick of this manure!
wayne jude >:(
Jtf4 ever???????????
He is here because the "great leader" guzzy has only managed to get one member on the splinter forum so he is very bored over there. Notice that even though he wildly banned me from this forum for something I said on the splinter forum, I am not saying he should be banned even though he is coming on this forum and attacking Chaim on this forum. I am getting pretty fed up with his hypocrisy though. If he loves guzzy so much, let him stay there.
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Listen DWI, Yekutiel does not have to follow Chaim to be a righteous individual. I don't know where you make up this nonsense that anyone who doesn't follow Chaim is evil. But in Judaism, it is possible to have 2 people both doing great things without one being jealous of the other and calling him evil for not kissing his donkey. In the Talmud, there were many Rabbis in one time period who were very great in wisdom and not once did one Rabbi tell the other Rabbi to stop doing his thing and kiss his donkey. You are making up crazy nonsense as you go along. I don't care if some homeless bum with an IQ of 10 had a dog program that saved 1 jewish life in Israel, such a person would be a very righteous man for doing such a great Mitzvah. Who cares if he doesn't follow Chaim? Who cares? Why do you feel the need to curse out any righteous individual who doesn't worship Chaim? You are very crazy and illogical.
Hi JDL4EVER,
I have somewhat of a hard time understanding your loyalty towards Yekutiel...(to be honest)
Is he a personal friend of yours? Did you collaborate with him on projects in Israel?
Regards,
Archie.
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Why respectfuly,Do you stay on this forum?Are you here to forment trouble!I think so and im getting sick of this manure!
wayne jude >:(
Jtf4 ever???????????
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DWI, I haven't posted any slander about Chaim on this forum, only a little criticism. All you Downwithislam do however is open that sewer mouth of yours and slander people.
Wayne Jude, I come here only to counter the slander DWI is posting about a righteous individual. I post nothing else.
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DWI, I haven't posted any slander about Chaim on this forum, only a little criticism. All you Downwithislam do however is open that sewer mouth of yours and slander people.
Wayne Jude, I come here only to counter the slander DWI is posting about a righteous individual. I post nothing else.
I now hope Chaim steps in and bans your tuchis from the forum just like you did to me. You only come here to cause trouble. Your true colors were shown by your actions.
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DWI, I haven't posted any slander about Chaim on this forum, only a little criticism. All you Downwithislam do however is open that sewer mouth of yours and slander people.
Wayne Jude, I come here only to counter the slander DWI is posting about a righteous individual. I post nothing else.
I now hope Chaim steps in and bans your tuchis from the forum just like you did to me. You only come here to cause trouble. Your true colors were shown by your actions.
Yeah, this coming from the person who went on the other forum last week and spammed the forum with unprovoked personal slander about it's leader. I for one am a respectful person and act respectful even towards people I disagree with. I never once even called Chaim by his first name "Victor". You always call Yekutiel "Guzzy" and slander him whenever you post.
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DWI, I haven't posted any slander about Chaim on this forum, only a little criticism. All you Downwithislam do however is open that sewer mouth of yours and slander people.
Wayne Jude, I come here only to counter the slander DWI is posting about a righteous individual. I post nothing else.
I now hope Chaim steps in and bans your tuchis from the forum just like you did to me. You only come here to cause trouble. Your true colors were shown by your actions.
Yeah, this coming from the person who went on the other forum last week and spammed the forum with unprovoked personal slander about it's leader. I for one am a respectful person and act respectful even towards people I disagree with. I never once even called Chaim by his first name "Victor". You always call Yekutiel "Guzzy" and slander him whenever you post.
Hi JDL4EVER,
I don't approve of you playing on both sides like this, and stirring up futile debates.
I wanted this thread to be ''Chaim's'' thread. A thread were we could read up on his story, and be proud of him.
You come here, after everything that happened last week, and play the party pooper.
Not very nice of you I think.
Archie.
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Archie, I posted articles from the NY Times about the teargassing 2 years ago on this site so I am really believe in what I'm doing and not playing around with you. You stop insulting Yekutiel and I'll stop posting on this site.
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Archie, I posted articles from the NY Times about the teargassing 2 years ago on this site so I am really believe in what I'm doing and not playing around with you. You stop insulting Yekutiel and I'll stop posting on this site.
Hish, this forum hasn't been running for 2 whole years. Believe me. I know.
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JDL4ever, you write that you are very respectful toward us and do not slander us.
When you wrote that I am mentally unbalanced, was that part of your "respectful" attitude?
When you wrote that I am an insincere egotist, was that part of your "respectful" attitude?
When you claimed that I am lying about what happened in the past, was that part of your "respectful" attitude?
What we are revealing here clearly shows who is lying and who is telling the truth.
Yekutiel said that Rabbi Kahane wrote him a letter appointing him as the rabbi's successor. He told this story to every single member of the Kach board.
ONCE AGAIN, I CHALLENGE YOU AND YEKUTIEL TO PRODUCE THE LETTER. WE WILL HAPPILY REPRINT IT IN HEBREW AND IN ENGLISH ON OUR FORUM. ISN'T THAT FAIR?
jdl4ever, you were silent when Eli Ben Meir condemned the Lincoln Center teargassing and even claimed that the rabbi opposed it. If anyone says the slightest thing about Yekutiel, you get absolutely hysterical. But when the greatest and most publicized action in the history of the Soviet Jewry movement was condemned and words were put in the mouth of Rabbi Kahane, you didn't say anything. Your sick hypocrisy is nauseating.
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Chaim, I defended you in the past on the Kahane.org forum by the way. And yes, I have been very respectful toward you on this forum. When you write that Yekutiel said the Rav gave him a letter that didn't exist if this story is true than that would be valid debate and not slander. Do I have an open mind and think that the story may be true? Certainly I do but it came only secondhand to you and second hand stories are frequently exaggerated; but perhaps it is true, I don't know at this point. However, when you call Yekutiel personal insults instead of simply arguing respectfully with things you don't like about him than that is slander. DWI only slanders people, makes fun of them and writes Loshon Harah. You yourself have posted Loshon Harah about Yekutiel several times on JTF and I got tired of this great sin you've been doing. I only write valid debate on this forum and don't slander you. Disagreeing with your account of events and believing other witnesses is considered valid debate, not slander. Slander is stating personal attacks against you. Some of the stuff you write about me was things I said to a friend in private, not in public. I didn't slander you on this forum in public. I only posted Loshon Harah about you one time on another forum in response to the Loshon Harah you posted about the righteous Yekutiel when I reprinted the argument; which I think the Torah permits. Even that the forum deleted after 5 seconds.
Your follower DWI is not saying "the slightest thing" about Yekutiel, he is outright slandering him dozens of times. I can't think of a personal insult or curse that DWI didn't say about Yekutiel, and you endorse it. This is not the way a Jew behaves and this is not the Torah. Again, I post this question to you: Suppose a crazy homeless guy with an IQ of 20 builds a hilltop in Israel and saves 1 Jewish life by training guard dogs for settlements. Should this person not be praised and admired for the good things he is doing? So why do you call Yekutiel's accomplishments and projects a waste of time and he should just give up? He is saving Jewish lives, spreading the Kahane message and building hilltops? Why all the hatred?
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Chaim, I defended you in the past on the Kahane.org forum by the way. And yes, I have been very respectful toward you on this forum. When you write that Yekutiel said the Rav gave him a letter that didn't exist if this story is true than that would be valid debate and not slander. Do I have an open mind and think that the story may be true? Certainly I do but it came only secondhand to you and second hand stories are frequently exaggerated; but perhaps it is true, I don't know at this point. However, when you call Yekutiel personal insults instead of simply arguing respectfully with things you don't like about him than that is slander. DWI only slanders people, makes fun of them and writes Loshon Harah. You yourself have posted Loshon Harah about Yekutiel several times on JTF and I got tired of this great sin you've been doing. I only write valid debate on this forum and don't slander you. Disagreeing with your account of events and believing other witnesses is considered valid debate, not slander. Slander is stating personal attacks against you. Some of the stuff you write about me was things I said to a friend in private, not in public. I didn't slander you on this forum in public. I only posted Loshon Harah about you one time on another forum in response to the Loshon Harah you posted about the righteous Yekutiel when I reprinted the argument; which I think the Torah permits. Even that the forum deleted after 5 seconds.
Your follower DWI is not saying "the slightest thing" about Yekutiel, he is outright slandering him dozens of times. I can't think of a personal insult or curse that DWI didn't say about Yekutiel, and you endorse it. This is not the way a Jew behaves and this is not the Torah. Again, I post this question to you: Suppose a crazy homeless guy with an IQ of 20 builds a hilltop in Israel and saves 1 Jewish life by training guard dogs for settlements. Should this person not be praised and admired for the good things he is doing? So why do you call Yekutiel's accomplishments and projects a waste of time and he should just give up? He is saving Jewish lives, spreading the Kahane message and building hilltops? Why all the hatred?
You are a compulsive fabricator, albeit not a creative one. 99 percent of my posts in regard to guzzy are strictly factual such as his denial of chaims heroic actions and his continued use pf the kahane name for a forum that has only two members. When he does this, it harms the cause by giving a false impression about the state of right wing jewry. This is a crime he is commiting. He is a total failure and the harm he does totally negates anything good he is possibly doing.
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99% of your posts are slander abut Yekutiel. Only 1% of the time do you just argue respectfully with him on issues.
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99% of your posts are slander abut Yekutiel. Only 1% of the time do you just argue respectfully with him on issues.
I trust someone like you who made a commitment to shlomo not to publicise anything that is said in the moderators section and right away broke that agreement and posted what chaim said to you there on the splinter groups forum. You are a fraud and you are just proving yourself as a bigger liar now. Once a rat, always a rat.
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99% of your posts are slander abut Yekutiel. Only 1% of the time do you just argue respectfully with him on issues.
I trust someone like you who made a commitment to shlomo not to publicise anything that is said in the moderators section and right away broke that agreement and posted what chaim said to you there on the splinter groups forum. You are a fraud and you are just proving yourself as a bigger liar now. Once a rat, always a rat.
I never made such a commitment so I don't know what you are talking about.
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99% of your posts are slander abut Yekutiel. Only 1% of the time do you just argue respectfully with him on issues.
I trust someone like you who made a commitment to shlomo not to publicise anything that is said in the moderators section and right away broke that agreement and posted what chaim said to you there on the splinter groups forum. You are a fraud and you are just proving yourself as a bigger liar now. Once a rat, always a rat.
I never made such a commitment so I don't know what you are talking about.
You are lying. Maybe Chaim can come and explain to everyone that mods made a commitment that everything posted in the mod section was to stay there and there only. You broke that and are now lying about it and everything else. This is the type of scum that is attracted to the splinter group.
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99% of your posts are slander abut Yekutiel. Only 1% of the time do you just argue respectfully with him on issues.
I trust someone like you who made a commitment to shlomo not to publicise anything that is said in the moderators section and right away broke that agreement and posted what chaim said to you there on the splinter groups forum. You are a fraud and you are just proving yourself as a bigger liar now. Once a rat, always a rat.
dwi gets to go on the moderators section?
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No Tzvi.
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99% of your posts are slander abut Yekutiel. Only 1% of the time do you just argue respectfully with him on issues.
I trust someone like you who made a commitment to shlomo not to publicise anything that is said in the moderators section and right away broke that agreement and posted what chaim said to you there on the splinter groups forum. You are a fraud and you are just proving yourself as a bigger liar now. Once a rat, always a rat.
dwi gets to go on the moderators section?
He's probably referring to what Chaim said about it in ask JTF this week (or was it last week?). Chaim explained that there was a trust broken there by an infraction committed on the splinter forum when material was reproduced from the mods section of this forum.
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99% of your posts are slander abut Yekutiel. Only 1% of the time do you just argue respectfully with him on issues.
I trust someone like you who made a commitment to shlomo not to publicise anything that is said in the moderators section and right away broke that agreement and posted what chaim said to you there on the splinter groups forum. You are a fraud and you are just proving yourself as a bigger liar now. Once a rat, always a rat.
dwi gets to go on the moderators section?
He's probably referring to what Chaim said about it in ask JTF this week (or was it last week?). Chaim explained that there was a trust broken there by an infraction committed on the splinter forum when material was reproduced from the mods section of this forum.
Tzvi, I am not aloud in the moderators section because I am not a moderator. KahaneBT has explained very clearly why I said what I said. I could not of said it better.