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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: DownwithIslam on April 15, 2008, 07:28:05 PM
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Here is guzzy completely distorting the facts and ignoring the heroism of Chaim. I guess a million russian jews rescued isn't enough for this fat animal. Guzzy the liar is now exposed and anyone who joins his movement is nuts. I feel bad bringing this up constantly but I cannot ignore this. When I see slander like this, I am obligated to inform people about it.
http://forum.kahane.org/index.php/topic,2691.0.html (http://forum.kahane.org/index.php/topic,2691.0.html)
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Here is guzzy completely distorting the facts and ignoring the heroism of Chaim. I guess a million russian jews rescued isn't enough for this fat animal. Guzzy the liar is now exposed and anyone who joins his movement is nuts. I feel bad bringing this up constantly but I cannot ignore this. When I see slander like this, I am obligated to inform people about it.
http://forum.kahane.org/index.php/topic,2691.0.html (http://forum.kahane.org/index.php/topic,2691.0.html)
I hate to get involved in this stupid debate, but first of all show respect by not calling Yekutiel 'guzzy' unless you want us to call Chaim "vancy".
Second, it is true that Russian Jews began to leave after the bombings in Russian Opera. The problem is that they left after the original bombing in the 70's, not the second bombing in late 80's where USSR was doomed to go down anyway.
Read the book by Rabbi Kahane called Story of the JDL
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Here is guzzy completely distorting the facts and ignoring the heroism of Chaim. I guess a million russian jews rescued isn't enough for this fat animal. Guzzy the liar is now exposed and anyone who joins his movement is nuts. I feel bad bringing this up constantly but I cannot ignore this. When I see slander like this, I am obligated to inform people about it.
http://forum.kahane.org/index.php/topic,2691.0.html (http://forum.kahane.org/index.php/topic,2691.0.html)
Yekutiel said this:
At that time, the Rabbi did discuss with me the lack of leadership in the US and we did discuss some common names of people we knew as far as who could accept the mantle of leadership in the states. Three names were discussed and Chaim was not one of them.
I have a question. Why does Yekutiel think that it matters whether or not the Rav told him personally about the Rav's decision to appoint Chaim as chairman? We have the story documented in a printed periodical, posted on the forum a few days ago, where a journalist REPORTED the story that the Rav appointed Chaim as head of JDL. I have to know whether or not Yekutiel and Rabbi Kahane had breakfast together the day before or spoke to one another that week? It is documented fact that it happened. No matter how much Yekutiel says "well I wasn't aware" or "I don't remember that"....... So the question is why does he keep repeating this line to discredit Chaim?
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Some left after Rabbi Kahane bombed Soviet targets. But the majority were only able to leave when Chaim did the bombings and teargassings.
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That's the way I see things too.
The economic crisis was very real in the last decade of the USSR, and that combined with years of constant pressure by the JDL, culminating with the Ballet tear gassing was just too much for the Soviets to handle.
Archie.
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Downwithislam, you are acting like an angry 5 year old boy who can't control himself whenever you post anything. You are only motivated by hatred and not love for your brothers. The disrespect you show to people like Yekutiel who you aren't worthy of looking at is unbelievable. You obviously have never read Kahane's book "The History of the JDL" and post nonsense. In the 1970's thousands of Russian Jews were set free due to the JDL's work. What Yekutiel wrote was correct and honest. I think Chaim was appointed by the Rav to lead the JDL as a last resort since he could find no one qualified for the position and he desperately wanted Pecter out of the picture and knew Chaim could do it so he chose Chaim since he was the best choice available at the time. The extent to which the Rav liked or did not like Chaim is a matter of dispute as we have several witnesses on the Kahane.org forum arguing with Chaim's account of events. Also in the interview with R' Kahane's wife recently, she didn't say anything about Chaim when his name came up other than she heard of his name and didn't know anything about the bombing. If the Rav was so fond of Chaim, she would have said a lot of positive remarks about Chaim which she did not. Whatever the case, the bombing of the Lincoln Center concert was a great thing and was the final step that caused the Russians to finally release the Jews. No one argues with that.
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In the Campaign to save Soviet Jewry, there are so many important events that occured AFTER the publishing of this book! I believe the most important came after the publication.
Archie.
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I think the biggest events happened in the 70's. The JDL was the the biggest it has ever been and most active at that point. Chaim's thing was probably the biggest event in the 80's though.
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I think Chaim was appointed by the Rav to lead the JDL as a last resort since he could find no one qualified for the position and he desperately wanted Pecter out of the picture and knew Chaim could do it
Didn't you claim last week that the Rav never appointed Chaim? The story really changes quite often with you guys. And there are people on your board who DEFEND Bonnie Pechter! Didn't she try to expel Rabbi Kahane from the group? Man you guys can't keep your story straight can you? oy...
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I think Chaim was appointed by the Rav to lead the JDL as a last resort since he could find no one qualified for the position and he desperately wanted Pecter out of the picture and knew Chaim could do it
Didn't you claim last week that the Rav never appointed Chaim? The story really changes quite often with you guys. And there are people on your board who DEFEND Bonnie Pechter! Didn't she try to expel Rabbi Kahane from the group? Man you guys can't keep your story straight can you? oy...
Nope, I never said that. I don't speak for other people on a forum, I speak for myself and I very much hate Bonnie Pechter.
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Now you are admitting the Lincoln center bombing caused Russians to release Jews and that it was a great thing, when kahane.org people were condemning it last week, and saying last week that the Rabbi wouldn't have approved of the bombings!!!
When Rabbi Kahane himself had done bombings prior to that! Man. Well at least your being open about it now.
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I think Chaim was appointed by the Rav to lead the JDL as a last resort since he could find no one qualified for the position and he desperately wanted Pecter out of the picture and knew Chaim could do it
Didn't you claim last week that the Rav never appointed Chaim? The story really changes quite often with you guys. And there are people on your board who DEFEND Bonnie Pechter! Didn't she try to expel Rabbi Kahane from the group? Man you guys can't keep your story straight can you? oy...
Nope, I never said that. I don't speak for other people on a forum, I speak for myself and I very much hate Bonnie Pechter.
I thought you said Chaim was never appointed chairman and Irv Rubin was?
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Now you are admitting the Lincoln center bombing caused Russians to release Jews and that it was a great thing, when kahane.org people were condemning it last week, and saying last week that the Rabbi wouldn't have approved of the bombings!!!
When Rabbi Kahane himself had done bombings prior to that! Man. Well at least your being open about it now.
Nope, the Kahane.org people are all different people each one with their own opinions since it is an open forum. I recall no one condemning Chaim's bombing of Lincoln center, I merely recall someone condemning Chaim's bombing of Syrian cars outside the Syrian embassy. So I think you are confusing information.
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I thought you said Chaim was never appointed chairman and Irv Rubin was?
I never said that. You have a lot of wrong information.
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Here is guzzy completely distorting the facts and ignoring the heroism of Chaim. I guess a million russian jews rescued isn't enough for this fat animal. Guzzy the liar is now exposed and anyone who joins his movement is nuts. I feel bad bringing this up constantly but I cannot ignore this. When I see slander like this, I am obligated to inform people about it.
http://forum.kahane.org/index.php/topic,2691.0.html (http://forum.kahane.org/index.php/topic,2691.0.html)
I hate to get involved in this stupid debate, but first of all show respect by not calling Yekutiel 'guzzy' unless you want us to call Chaim "vancy".
Second, it is true that Russian Jews began to leave after the bombings in Russian Opera. The problem is that they left after the original bombing in the 70's, not the second bombing in late 80's where USSR was doomed to go down anyway.
Read the book by Rabbi Kahane called Story of the JDL
Some left after Rabbi Kahane bombed Soviet targets. But the majority were only able to leave when Chaim did the bombings and teargassings.
The way I remember it from following the news back then was similar to Chaim's account of things today. Years ago I would listen to the local radio talk shows most of the day. Here in New York the JDL and the Rav were a big issue it was well covered. Back then I did not even know who Chaim was exactly but it was after his activity that Russia really started allowing Russian Jews to leave. Russia did allow some Jews to leave before what Chaim did but very few high profile people only. Chaim's activities really got the ball rolling.
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I thought you said Chaim was never appointed chairman and Irv Rubin was?
I never said that. You have a lot of wrong information.
Were you the guy that got banned from here?
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I think the biggest events happened in the 70's. The JDL was the the biggest it has ever been and most active at that point. Chaim's thing was probably the biggest event in the 80's though.
I Agree. In the 70's, the JDL had the biggest following, and did most of the activism.
However, the real impact came in the early 80's. The Soviets weren't really that bothered before that.
Regards,
Archie.
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Yeah, very little happened in the early 80's and they lost tons of people, that was a low point of the JDL. 1986 was the best year in the 80's probably.
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Yeah, I'm preparing a news coverage of the 84-87 period, when Chaim was National Chairman, and Rabbi Kahane was in the Israel Knesset.
Lot's of good stuff.
Archie.
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the only one saying bad things is adam6275 who I believe is the same person who posts all the leftist youtube comments.....
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Whatever the case, the bombing of the Lincoln Center concert was a great thing and was the final step that caused the Russians to finally release the Jews. No one argues with that.
And that's all that matters.
Chaim is indeed the gutsiest Jewish leader since Rabbi Kahane.
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Downwithislam, you are acting like an angry 5 year old boy who can't control himself whenever you post anything. You are only motivated by hatred and not worship for the Great and Mighty Yekutiel. The disrespect you show to G-d, whose name is Yekutiel, who you aren't worthy of looking at is unbelievable. You obviously have never read Yekutiel's book "The Bible" and post blasphemies. In the 1970's thousands of Russian Jews were set free due to Yekutiel's almighty atonement. What my G-d and Savior Yekutiel wrote was correct and honest. I think Chaim was appointed by the Rav to lead the JDL as a last resort since he could find no one qualified for the position and he desperately wanted Pecter out of the picture and knew Chaim could do it so he chose Chaim since he was the best choice available at the time. The extent to which the Rav liked or did not like Chaim is a matter of dispute as we have several fellow Yekutiel worshippers like myself on the Kahane.org forum arguing with Chaim's account of events. Also in the interview with R' Kahane's wife recently, she confirmed my position that HaShem is G-d and Yekutiel is his only prophet. That means you should worship Yekutiel, who is G-d incarnate, just like I do. No one argues with that.
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And that's all that matters.
Chaim is indeed the gutsiest Jewish leader since Rabbi Kahane.
Amen
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If no one is arguing with the fact that Chaim's actions led to Soviet Jews being freed then why is there a conflict here?
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If no one is arguing with the fact that Chaim's actions led to Soviet Jews being freed then why is there a conflict here?
GAYdl4ever is a troll who fights with all of us because we don't recognize The Almighty Yekutiel to be the head of the JDL and author of all that is good in the world. If you ask me, he's like the Jewish Anus-T. ::)
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If no one is arguing with the fact that Chaim's actions led to Soviet Jews being freed then why is there a conflict here?
GAYdl4ever is a troll who fights with all of us because we don't recognize The Almighty Yekutiel to be the head of the JDL and author of all that is good in the world. If you ask me, he's like the Jewish Anus-T. ::)
Maybe I should stay out of this entirely but I don't get it. Even if they believe their own version of history how does it help Israel or the Jewish people now to attack Chaim? It seems like they could do more trying to be a complementary organization to JTF rather than fighting agaisnt JTF.
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Downwithislam, you are acting like an angry 5 year old boy who can't control himself whenever you post anything. You are only motivated by hatred and not love for your brothers. The disrespect you show to people like Yekutiel who you aren't worthy of looking at is unbelievable. You obviously have never read Kahane's book "The History of the JDL" and post nonsense. In the 1970's thousands of Russian Jews were set free due to the JDL's work. What Yekutiel wrote was correct and honest. I think Chaim was appointed by the Rav to lead the JDL as a last resort since he could find no one qualified for the position and he desperately wanted Pecter out of the picture and knew Chaim could do it so he chose Chaim since he was the best choice available at the time. The extent to which the Rav liked or did not like Chaim is a matter of dispute as we have several witnesses on the Kahane.org forum arguing with Chaim's account of events. Also in the interview with R' Kahane's wife recently, she didn't say anything about Chaim when his name came up other than she heard of his name and didn't know anything about the bombing. If the Rav was so fond of Chaim, she would have said a lot of positive remarks about Chaim which she did not. Whatever the case, the bombing of the Lincoln Center concert was a great thing and was the final step that caused the Russians to finally release the Jews. No one argues with that.
You are a sick puppy. To deny the fact that Chaim is the greatest jewish leader since rabbi kahane and certainly the greatest jewish leader alive today is like denying that hashem created the world. When we see what is happening today with all the splinter groups trying to sabotage the true successful movement lead by Chaim, their is no reason to doubt the same exact thing happened in the past. Is the fact that their are tons of articles written by Robert friedman in the village voice about chaim being the jdl leader and doing all the bombing enough proof for you saboteurs? Did you want Chaim to have gotten the death penalty for his actions(chas vishalom) for you to accept the fact that he was the one true kahanist leader that accomplished great things for the jews. I have yet to see one concrete written piece of evidence that guzzy ever did a damn thing. So what if you have a few frauds on yhour forum who all testify against chaim. It is clear they are just a pack of thugs. I want to see old articles about guzzy for me to believe anything. I have read old ny nazi times articles and have seen friedmans work about chaim. Why is guzzy never mentioned by anyone other than you wolves on your hateful forum? Besides, if yekutiel was really the greatest leader than what all of a sudden happened? Why cant he attract any suport today. The pieces of your story fit as well as the relation between two homosexuals. Your version just makes no sense.
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Maybe I should stay out of this entirely but I don't get it. Even if they believe their own version of history how does it help Israel or the Jewish people now to attack Chaim? It seems like they could do more trying to be a complementary organization to JTF rather than fighting agaisnt JTF.
Ruby, kahane.org is a cult of Judaism. Their core belief is not redeeming the world or saving Israel, but hating all Gentiles. They hate Chaim because he is not like that. That is how the big split developed--that, and that Yekutiel has always been jealous of what Chaim accomplished and is accomplishing now.
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If no one is arguing with the fact that Chaim's actions led to Soviet Jews being freed then why is there a conflict here?
GAYdl4ever is a troll who fights with all of us because we don't recognize The Almighty Yekutiel to be the head of the JDL and author of all that is good in the world. If you ask me, he's like the Jewish Anus-T. ::)
I agree. He just sits their wiping guzzies tuchis and picking the dirt from his toenails. He is so quick in yekutiels defense while he minimizes the actions of the greatest jew alive today, Chaim Ben pesach.
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You are a sick puppy. To deny the fact that Chaim is the greatest jewish leader since rabbi kahane and certainly the greatest jewish leader alive today is like denying that hashem created the world. When we see what is happening today with all the splinter groups trying to sabotage the true successful movement lead by Chaim, their is no reason to doubt the same exact thing happened in the past. Is the fact that their are tons of articles written by Robert friedman in the village voice about chaim being the jdl leader and doing all the bombing enough proof for you saboteurs? Did you want Chaim to have gotten the death penalty for his actions(chas vishalom) for you to accept the fact that he was the one true kahanist leader that accomplished great things for the jews. I have yet to see one concrete written piece of evidence that guzzy ever did a damn thing. So what if you have a few frauds on yhour forum who all testify against chaim. It is clear they are just a pack of thugs. I want to see old articles about guzzy for me to believe anything. I have read old ny nazi times articles and have seen friedmans work about chaim. Why is guzzy never mentioned by anyone other than you wolves on your hateful forum? Besides, if yekutiel was really the greatest leader than what all of a sudden happened? Why cant he attract any suport today. The pieces of your story fit as well as the relation between two homosexuals. Your version just makes no sense.
Did you see what Guzzy4ever posted a little bit above? ;) :::D
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I think I have read what he wrote. He is just a joke with his support of that fat looser who feeds his chickens on that forum by always hinting that chaim did nothing.
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Here is guzzy completely distorting the facts and ignoring the heroism of Chaim. I guess a million russian jews rescued isn't enough for this fat animal. Guzzy the liar is now exposed and anyone who joins his movement is nuts. I feel bad bringing this up constantly but I cannot ignore this. When I see slander like this, I am obligated to inform people about it.
http://forum.kahane.org/index.php/topic,2691.0.html (http://forum.kahane.org/index.php/topic,2691.0.html)
Yekutiel said this:
At that time, the Rabbi did discuss with me the lack of leadership in the US and we did discuss some common names of people we knew as far as who could accept the mantle of leadership in the states. Three names were discussed and Chaim was not one of them.
I have a question. Why does Yekutiel think that it matters whether or not the Rav told him personally about the Rav's decision to appoint Chaim as chairman? We have the story documented in a printed periodical, posted on the forum a few days ago, where a journalist REPORTED the story that the Rav appointed Chaim as head of JDL. I have to know whether or not Yekutiel and Rabbi Kahane had breakfast together the day before or spoke to one another that week? It is documented fact that it happened. No matter how much Yekutiel says "well I wasn't aware" or "I don't remember that"....... So the question is why does he keep repeating this line to discredit Chaim?
I agree with you totally. You make great points here. I was wondering the same thing about guzzy.
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Maybe I should stay out of this entirely but I don't get it. Even if they believe their own version of history how does it help Israel or the Jewish people now to attack Chaim? It seems like they could do more trying to be a complementary organization to JTF rather than fighting agaisnt JTF.
Ruby, kahane.org is a cult of Judaism. Their core belief is not redeeming the world or saving Israel, but hating all Gentiles. They hate Chaim because he is not like that. That is how the big split developed--that, and that Yekutiel has always been jealous of what Chaim accomplished and is accomplishing now.
I've run into Jews who hate Gentiles or see us all as animals before and you know what, I don't respect those kinds of people because they have such a nasty attitude. As far as I'm concerned respect has to be mutual. I can't work with someone who I know looks down at me for who I am. The great thing about Chaim is that he does point out bad things that Gentile groups are doing, but he also points out areas where some Jews could improve. I think that shows that he sees us all as human beings even as he deeply loves his own people and I think he's a great person.
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Maybe I should stay out of this entirely but I don't get it. Even if they believe their own version of history how does it help Israel or the Jewish people now to attack Chaim? It seems like they could do more trying to be a complementary organization to JTF rather than fighting agaisnt JTF.
Ruby, kahane.org is a cult of Judaism. Their core belief is not redeeming the world or saving Israel, but hating all Gentiles. They hate Chaim because he is not like that. That is how the big split developed--that, and that Yekutiel has always been jealous of what Chaim accomplished and is accomplishing now.
I've run into Jews who hate Gentiles or see us all as animals before and you know what, I don't respect those kinds of people because they have such a nasty attitude. As far as I'm concerned respect has to be mutual. I can't work with someone who I know looks down at me for who I am. The great thing about Chaim is that he does point out bad things that Gentile groups are doing, but he also points out areas where some Jews could improve. I think that shows that he sees us all as human beings even as he deeply loves his own people and I think he's a great person.
I agree and that is the reason why people love to join Chaims movements and why the splinter groups are just a thorn in our side.
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I've run into Jews who hate Gentiles or see us all as animals before and you know what, I don't respect those kinds of people because they have such a nasty attitude. As far as I'm concerned respect has to be mutual. I can't work with someone who I know looks down at me for who I am. The great thing about Chaim is that he does point out bad things that Gentile groups are doing, but he also points out areas where some Jews could improve. I think that shows that he sees us all as human beings even as he deeply loves his own people and I think he's a great person.
I agree and that is the reason why people love to join Chaims movements and why the splinter groups are just a thorn in our side.
I've never seen such hatred as can be found at that other forum.
They treat gentiles like child molesters.
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I've run into Jews who hate Gentiles or see us all as animals before and you know what, I don't respect those kinds of people because they have such a nasty attitude. As far as I'm concerned respect has to be mutual. I can't work with someone who I know looks down at me for who I am. The great thing about Chaim is that he does point out bad things that Gentile groups are doing, but he also points out areas where some Jews could improve. I think that shows that he sees us all as human beings even as he deeply loves his own people and I think he's a great person.
I agree and that is the reason why people love to join Chaims movements and why the splinter groups are just a thorn in our side.
I've never seen such hatred as can be found at that other forum.
They treat gentiles like child molesters.
Scriabin, I was wondering if you saw the latest post by guzzy on his so called forum? He basically states that he doesn't want America to be saved. I would tell you to go check it out but I don't want them to get any extra views.
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We Jews are a contentious people.
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DownwithIslam, I meant for you to see what he really wrote (go back to the first page)... ;)
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If no one is arguing with the fact that Chaim's actions led to Soviet Jews being freed then why is there a conflict here?
GAYdl4ever is a troll who fights with all of us because we don't recognize The Almighty Yekutiel to be the head of the JDL and author of all that is good in the world. If you ask me, he's like the Jewish Anus-T. ::)
I didn't think someone could be worse than DWI, but this forum never ceases to amaze me ::)
Then again, here is some blasphemy to save the day:
To deny the fact that Chaim is the greatest jewish leader since rabbi kahane and certainly the greatest jewish leader alive today is like denying that hashem created the world.
Oh look, now you strayed into heresy. Congradulations on violating the most basic Jewish laws.
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If no one is arguing with the fact that Chaim's actions led to Soviet Jews being freed then why is there a conflict here?
GAYdl4ever is a troll who fights with all of us because we don't recognize The Almighty Yekutiel to be the head of the JDL and author of all that is good in the world. If you ask me, he's like the Jewish Anus-T. ::)
I didn't think someone could be worse than DWI, but this forum never ceases to amaze me ::)
Then again, here is some blasphemy to save the day:
To deny the fact that Chaim is the greatest jewish leader since rabbi kahane and certainly the greatest jewish leader alive today is like denying that hashem created the world.
Oh look, now you strayed into heresy. Congradulations on violating the most basic Jewish laws.
It pains me that we call others names..that goes for our side as well as the other...i say ENOUGH!!!! ENOUGH!!!
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It really amazes me that the sewer mouth DWI actually has a dozen followers who see nothing wrong about slandering a righteous individual and lying by claiming things were said about Chaim that he never even said.
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It really amazes me that the sewer mouth DWI actually has a dozen followers who see nothing wrong about slandering a righteous individual and lying by claiming things were said about Chaim that he never even said.
IT WAS ALREADY ESTABLISHED BY CHAIM THAT ACCURATE CRITICISM OF GUZOFSKY IS NOT SLANDER SO STOP THE DOUBLETALK.
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DownwithIslam, I meant for you to see what he really wrote (go back to the first page)... ;)
I saw what he wrote Chaimfan. His relationship with guzofsky is the same type of relationship that bill clinton had with monica lewinsky. Totally immoral and repulsive.
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Accurate criticism of Yekutiel is not calling him a pathetic loser who does absolutely nothing useful and a fat man who only stuffs his mouth with peanuts. I have to disagree with Chaim in calling this an accurate criticism. It is clear cut Loshon Harah or personal slander.
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It really amazes me that the sewer mouth DWI actually has a dozen followers who see nothing wrong about slandering a righteous individual and lying by claiming things were said about Chaim that he never even said.
What amazed ME, is that DWI is a model member of JTF, and his behavior is greatly encouraged.
I used to think that DWI and his like were just over-zealous followers of Chaim, and that Chaim wasn't really supporting their destructive actions, and insulting speech. Turned out I was wrong, and that Chaim really does want people to blindly follow him and look at him as just one step below a Navi.
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Well, Chaim himself encourages DWI's behavior so that should tell you something about Chaim. I wanted to ban DWI for giving JTF a bad name, but in fact DWI has the ideal behavior that Chaim approves of.
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It really amazes me that the sewer mouth DWI actually has a dozen followers who see nothing wrong about slandering a righteous individual and lying by claiming things were said about Chaim that he never even said.
What amazed ME, is that DWI is a model member of JTF, and his behavior is greatly encouraged.
Well, Chaim himself encourages DWI's behavior so that should tell you something about Chaim.
Stop attacking Chaim on his own forum!!! Chaim is a tzaddik!!!!
I am not a model member but I sure won't allow Chaims good name to be attacked by a bunch guzzites.
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It really amazes me that the sewer mouth DWI actually has a dozen followers who see nothing wrong about slandering a righteous individual and lying by claiming things were said about Chaim that he never even said.
What amazed ME, is that DWI is a model member of JTF, and his behavior is greatly encouraged.
I used to think that DWI and his like were just over-zealous followers of Chaim, and that Chaim wasn't really supporting their destructive actions, and insulting speech. Turned out I was wrong, and that Chaim really does want people to blindly follow him and look at him as just one step below a Navi.
Doom777, di zalst vaksen vi a tziblen mit dayn kap in drert. Di bist a yena vilde ying
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What I write is valid criticism, not personal attacks. As I stated before I never even insulted Chaim even as to call him by his English name. All you write is slanderous attacks on people. I only attacked Chaim once when I reprinted the argument I had with Chaim on the other forum where Chaim personally insulted Yekutiel; which was permitted for me to do as a response to him slandering a Tzaddik; and even that was mostly deleted as soon as I posted it by the other forum.
Da Shlog Hat G'trafin
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What I write is valid criticism, not personal attacks. As I stated before I never even insulted Chaim even as to call him by his English name. All you write is slanderous attacks on people. I only attacked Chaim once when I reprinted the argument I had with Chaim on the other forum where Chaim personally insulted Yekutiel; which was permitted for me to do as a response to him slandering a Tzaddik; and even that was mostly deleted as soon as I posted it by the other forum.
Da Shlog Hat G'trafin
I find it amusing that you come to our forum for your fun. I guess their is nobody on the splinter forum right now.
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I only attacked Chaim once when I reprinted the argument I had with Chaim on the other forum where Chaim personally insulted Yekutiel; which was permitted for me to do as a response to him slandering a Tzaddik;
No. It was not permitted. Snitching in not permitted in Judaism.
Say you are sorry or go play somewhere else.
Sure, You have the right to express your opinions on this forum, but by now, I hope you understand that your childish attitude is starting to get on people nerves...
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Informing means informing on your brother to the government so that he will be harmed. Reprinting an argument is not considered informing.
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Informing means informing on your brother to the government so that he will be harmed. Reprinting an argument is not considered informing.
I didn't say informing. I said snitching. What you did was snitching. You had an intention. You wanted to start trouble.
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Listen, you are an innocent bystander in this and have no clue what went on. For your information DWI started the entire thing by going on that forum a week ago posting unprovoked personal slander against it's leader. Chaim also posted personal slander about that person several times before in both his audio programs and on this forum. Chaim and DWI started this rift, not me.
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Listen, you are an innocent bystander in this and have no clue what went on. For your information DWI started the entire thing by going on that forum a week ago posting unprovoked personal slander against it's leader. Chaim also posted personal slander about that person several times before in both his audio programs and on this forum. Chaim and DWI started this rift, not me.
What are you, one of his paid cyber-bodyguard?
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Listen, you are an innocent bystander in this and have no clue what went on. For your information DWI started the entire thing by going on that forum a week ago posting unprovoked personal slander against it's leader. Chaim also posted personal slander about that person several times before in both his audio programs and on this forum. Chaim and DWI started this rift, not me.
What are you, one of his paid cyber-bodyguard?
I simply defend innocent righteous individuals who are unfairly slandered because I am a decent guy.
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I simply defend innocent righteous individuals who are unfairly slandered because I am a decent guy.
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A decent guy?
You think I don't know about that time on ask jtf when Chaim was so furious at you that he warned you that you had to excuse yourself for what you said about him, otherwise he could never forgive you?
Even back then I knew that you are hostile, and not to be trusted.
Chaim has a big heart, and he gave you a second chance + a trusted position in the movement. You BLEW IT!
You are totally useless. You don't bring anything positive to the forum.
Even Yekutiel should not trust you.
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That incident in ancient history and is out of context since I just was unsure and needed clarification. I was quite serious and sincere about the question and asked it with an open mind, since I really wasn't sure and wanted Chaim to give me a good answer and didn't mean to insult Chaim by the question as he took it to be. I made a mistake back then by posting my doubts before I asked the question on some forums a few times so Chaim thought I was slandering him which wasn't really the case but I merely was unsure and everyone is entitled to one mistake, and I repented to Chaim for it and Chaim's answer cleared up the doubts I had on that area. At that time I was also unsure about Rubin and the JDL since there was a lot I didn't know at that time.
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At that time I was also unsure about Rubin and the JDL since there was a lot I didn't know at that time.
Not sure about Rubin...Let me tell you a fact of life about Rubin: IRV RUBIN never did a thing except saying that the New York chapter was in a slump, and that HE was in charge. That's it.
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It really amazes me that the sewer mouth DWI actually has a dozen followers who see nothing wrong about slandering a righteous individual and lying by claiming things were said about Chaim that he never even said.
What amazed ME, is that DWI is a model member of JTF, and his behavior is greatly encouraged.
I used to think that DWI and his like were just over-zealous followers of Chaim, and that Chaim wasn't really supporting their destructive actions, and insulting speech. Turned out I was wrong, and that Chaim really does want people to blindly follow him and look at him as just one step below a Navi.
naaa..that's not true...the vast majority of us think for ourselves...even when i have seen my fellow members go overboard...even Chaim, I sit back, cringe, take a deep breath, and tell myself, "this is how they express themselves..right or wrong..it might actually work."
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Listen, you are an innocent bystander in this and have no clue what went on. For your information DWI started the entire thing by going on that forum a week ago posting unprovoked personal slander against it's leader. Chaim also posted personal slander about that person several times before in both his audio programs and on this forum. Chaim and DWI started this rift, not me.
You lying shmuck. I had every right to go on that splinter forum and say whatever the hell I wanted. If they wanted to ban me so be it. YOU started this rift by banning me on THIS forum for something I said on THAT forum.
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Listen, you are an innocent bystander in this and have no clue what went on. For your information DWI started the entire thing by going on that forum a week ago posting unprovoked personal slander against it's leader. Chaim also posted personal slander about that person several times before in both his audio programs and on this forum. Chaim and DWI started this rift, not me.
Nobody buys a word you say, you lying sodomite. You and your g-d have long had a personal agenda against anyone who utters a syllable critical of his cult. Need I remind everyone of the time two months ago when you nearly had a stroke when I posted a thread listing the various reasons I oppose your g-d?
Your g-d Guzzy is nothing more than a typical David Koresh or Sun Myung Moon. You practice a cult of Judaism--a tiny sect of it with no more than a dozen devout members at most. The vast majority of Hebrews know that G-d (and that's HaShem, not your g-d Guzzy) loves Gentiles and wants them to come to him, and you can't deal with that, so you turn inward unto your supremacist, Nazi-like selves and worship the leader who says what your itching ears want to hear.
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At that time I was also unsure about Rubin and the JDL since there was a lot I didn't know at that time.
Not sure about Rubin...Let me tell you a fact of life about Rubin: IRV RUBIN never did a thing except saying that the New York chapter was in a slump, and that HE was in charge. That's it.
Yes, because you personally knew Irv Rubin.
People have told me great stories about Irv Rubin that they personally witnessed. And I believe them.
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Listen, you are an innocent bystander in this and have no clue what went on. For your information DWI started the entire thing by going on that forum a week ago posting unprovoked personal slander against it's leader. Chaim also posted personal slander about that person several times before in both his audio programs and on this forum. Chaim and DWI started this rift, not me.
Nobody buys a word you say, you lying sodomite. You and your g-d have long had a personal agenda against anyone who utters a syllable critical of his cult. Need I remind everyone of the time two months ago when you nearly had a stroke when I posted a thread listing the various reasons I oppose your g-d?
Your g-d Guzzy is nothing more than a typical David Koresh or Sun Myung Moon. You practice a cult of Judaism--a tiny sect of it with no more than a dozen devout members at most. The vast majority of Hebrews know that G-d (and that's HaShem, not your g-d Guzzy) loves Gentiles and wants them to come to him, and you can't deal with that, so you turn inward unto your supremacist, Nazi-like selves and worship the leader who says what your itching ears want to hear.
Well said Chaimfan. I was going to say that guzzy sits and slanders chaim to his cult followers but that wouldn't be accurate because he only has two members in his splinter group so hes really not talking to very many people. Even his right hand man jdl4ever is bored at the splinter group forum and spends most of is time here.
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Listen, you are an innocent bystander in this and have no clue what went on. For your information DWI started the entire thing by going on that forum a week ago posting unprovoked personal slander against it's leader. Chaim also posted personal slander about that person several times before in both his audio programs and on this forum. Chaim and DWI started this rift, not me.
Nobody buys a word you say, you lying sodomite. You and your g-d have long had a personal agenda against anyone who utters a syllable critical of his cult. Need I remind everyone of the time two months ago when you nearly had a stroke when I posted a thread listing the various reasons I oppose your g-d?
Your g-d Guzzy is nothing more than a typical David Koresh or Sun Myung Moon. You practice a cult of Judaism--a tiny sect of it with no more than a dozen devout members at most. The vast majority of Hebrews know that G-d (and that's HaShem, not your g-d Guzzy) loves Gentiles and wants them to come to him, and you can't deal with that, so you turn inward unto your supremacist, Nazi-like selves and worship the leader who says what your itching ears want to hear.
Final warning. One more mention of Yekutiel as "guzzy" and I will start talking about Chaim as "fancy vancy". And you do not want that.
As for the rest of the post, if yuo replace jdl4ever with DWI or CP and replace Yekutiel with Chaim ben Pesach, it becomes very true.
And by the way, calling people with views you do not like "sodomites" shows that your age is far below legal in almost every country.
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At that time I was also unsure about Rubin and the JDL since there was a lot I didn't know at that time.
Not sure about Rubin...Let me tell you a fact of life about Rubin: IRV RUBIN never did a thing except saying that the New York chapter was in a slump, and that HE was in charge. That's it.
Yes, because you personally knew Irv Rubin.
People have told me great stories about Irv Rubin that they personally witnessed. And I believe them.
Irving Rubin Yimach shmo vezichro was 100 percent evil. He stole about 90,000 dollars from chaim and said that he wouldn't sit shiva for rabbi kahane. he said that chaim should be locked away for good which was informing on anoher jew. He also said jonothan polard should get the death penalty. Doom777, go back to your splinter forum and talk to the wall there. I know their is nobody in the splinter group but you have chosen to attack chaim so get lost.
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"chaim should be locked away for good which was informing on anoher jew"
Why don't you learn some halachot about "informing" and then come back and retract that stupid statement.\
Saying someone should be locked away (assuming he DID do that) is not informing, informing is going to some unkosher authority and telling them of something that good guys are doing. If he went to cops and said "Chaim ben Pesach is planning a bombing in a theater" that would be informing. But saying "this guy deserves prison" is not informing, even if he DID do that.
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At that time I was also unsure about Rubin and the JDL since there was a lot I didn't know at that time.
Not sure about Rubin...Let me tell you a fact of life about Rubin: IRV RUBIN never did a thing except saying that the New York chapter was in a slump, and that HE was in charge. That's it.
Yes, because you personally knew Irv Rubin.
People have told me great stories about Irv Rubin that they personally witnessed. And I believe them.
Irving Rubin Yimach shmo vezichro was 100 percent evil. He stole about 90,000 dollars from chaim and said jonothan polard should get the death penalty.
Yeah. Doom, why should Pollard get the death penalty?
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He shouldn't and Rubin later retracted that statement.
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Doom777, is saying on the merv griffin show that jonothan pollard should get the death penalty informing. I guess in your heretical thinking, its not. Go tell guzzy to stuff some more kugel and fleish in his mouth and stop pushing our buttons here.
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He shouldn't and Rubin later retracted that statement.
And you claimed that rubin was a good guy. You are talking out of your tuchis.
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Rubin later retracted that statement.
He retracted it after taking a lot of heat.
Those feelings were clearly in his heart.
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Doom777, is saying on the merv griffin show that jonothan pollard should get the death penalty informing. I guess in your heretical thinking, its not. Go tell guzzy to stuff some more kugel and fleish in his mouth and stop pushing our buttons here.
Nope, it is not. It is wrong, but it is not informing, just like it is not idol worship, or violation of Shabbat. refer to my previous post to get a summary of informing.
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Rubin later retracted that statement.
He retracted it after taking a lot of heat.
Those feelings were clearly in his heart.
We can't for sure say his teshuva was invalid. And being that he is a Jew, and was previously not known for such things, we should give him benefit of the doubt.
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Doom777, is saying on the merv griffin show that jonothan pollard should get the death penalty informing. I guess in your heretical thinking, its not. Go tell guzzy to stuff some more kugel and fleish in his mouth and stop pushing our buttons here.
Nope, it is not. It is wrong, but it is not informing, just like it is not idol worship, or violation of Shabbat. refer to my previous post to get a summary of informing.
Informing or not, it reveals a lot about his character.
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Doom777, is saying on the merv griffin show that jonothan pollard should get the death penalty informing. I guess in your heretical thinking, its not. Go tell guzzy to stuff some more kugel and fleish in his mouth and stop pushing our buttons here.
Nope, it is not. It is wrong, but it is not informing, just like it is not idol worship, or violation of Shabbat. refer to my previous post to get a summary of informing.
Stop coming on here and kvetching. Go enjoy your splinter group.
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Actually doooooooooooooom, rubin previously said that he wouldn't sit shiva if rabbi kahane dropped dead, he made those comments on the geraldo rivera show. I guess that was what he was known for.
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Actually doooooooooooooom, rubin previously said that he wouldn't sit shiva if rabbi kahane dropped dead, he made those comments on the geraldo rivera show. I guess that was what he was known for.
in what context, dooooooooooooooooownwithislam?
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Was Rubin Murdered?
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Actually doooooooooooooom, rubin previously said that he wouldn't sit shiva if rabbi kahane dropped dead, he made those comments on the geraldo rivera show. I guess that was what he was known for.
in what context, dooooooooooooooooownwithislam?
No need for any contect there doomy. You forget what you say from one minute to the next.
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Actually doooooooooooooom, rubin previously said that he wouldn't sit shiva if rabbi kahane dropped dead, he made those comments on the geraldo rivera show. I guess that was what he was known for.
in what context, dooooooooooooooooownwithislam?
No need for any contect there doomy. You forget what you say from one minute to the next.
What do you mean? If he meant it like, I will not sit shiva because according to Jewish law, only close family members sit shiva, then he said nothing wrong, downy.
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Actually doooooooooooooom, rubin previously said that he wouldn't sit shiva if rabbi kahane dropped dead, he made those comments on the geraldo rivera show. I guess that was what he was known for.
in what context, dooooooooooooooooownwithislam?
No need for any contect there doomy. You forget what you say from one minute to the next.
What do you mean? If he meant it like, I will not sit shiva because according to Jewish law, only close family members sit shiva, then he said nothing wrong, downy.
"If Rabbi Kahane dropped dead"?
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Actually doooooooooooooom, rubin previously said that he wouldn't sit shiva if rabbi kahane dropped dead, he made those comments on the geraldo rivera show. I guess that was what he was known for.
in what context, dooooooooooooooooownwithislam?
No need for any contect there doomy. You forget what you say from one minute to the next.
What do you mean? If he meant it like, I will not sit shiva because according to Jewish law, only close family members sit shiva, then he said nothing wrong, downy.
"If Rabbi Kahane dropped dead"?
was that the exact quote?
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G-d willing Chaim will come on and ban you permanently tomorrow so you can spend more time fornicating at the splinter group doomy777.
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Actually doooooooooooooom, rubin previously said that he wouldn't sit shiva if rabbi kahane dropped dead, he made those comments on the geraldo rivera show. I guess that was what he was known for.
in what context, dooooooooooooooooownwithislam?
No need for any contect there doomy. You forget what you say from one minute to the next.
What do you mean? If he meant it like, I will not sit shiva because according to Jewish law, only close family members sit shiva, then he said nothing wrong, downy.
"If Rabbi Kahane dropped dead"?
was that the exact quote?
I don't know, but if it was?
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G-d willing Chaim will come on and ban you permanently tomorrow so you can spend more time fornicating at the splinter group doomy777.
I believe it. After all, aversion to criticism is a sign of a cult leader.
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I don't know, but if it was?
Bottom line is, I would like to see the entire show, before casting judgement.
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G-d willing Chaim will come on and ban you permanently tomorrow so you can spend more time fornicating at the splinter group doomy777.
I disagree. I think that we can convince Doom to join with us.
He seems like a reasonable man.
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בס''ד
Doom is again defending the traitor Irv Rubin but maliciously attacking JTF, which demonstrates that Doom is himself a traitor. ANYONE who defends Irv Rubin ימח שמו וזכרו שם רשעים ירקב after knowing what he did, is a traitor and a rat.
DOOM, LIKE MIKE GUZOFSKY, NOT ONLY DEFENDS RUBIN BUT EVEN ATTEMPTS TO MINIMIZE AND IN EFFECT JUSTIFY RUBIN'S CRIMES AGAINST THE JEWISH PEOPLE. DOOM, YOU WILL SEE SOMEDAY, THAT YOU WILL BE PUNISHED FOR THIS. EITHER IN THIS WORLD OR IN THE NEXT OR BOTH. AND SO WILL EVERYONE ELSE ON THAT EVIL SPLINTER FORUM THAT ENGAGES IN THIS TYPE OF UNFORGIVABLE BEHAVIOR. HASHEM יתברך ויתעלה שמו WILL HEAR THE CRY OF OUR HEROES JONATHAN POLLARD AND REUVEN MANNING הי''ו AND OF THEIR NOBLE FAMILIES הי''ו AND WILL AVENGE ALL OF THOSE WHO HAVE BETRAYED THEM, INCLUDING NOT ONLY IRV RUBIN, BUT ALSO YOU AND ALL OF RUBIN'S TRAITOR DEFENDERS.
You say that when Rubin urged 30 million Americans on the Merv Griffin national television program to not only oppose releasing Pollard but to give him the death penalty ר''ל, that that was not informing? That when you cause a great Jewish hero to spend the rest of his life in prison ח''ו or even try to get a great Jewish hero murdered, THAT is not informing? Your ignorance is only exceeded by your arrogance.
Here is the prayer on informing that Chazal placed in the Shmone Esre:
וְלַמַּלְשִׁינִים אַל תְּהִי תִקְוָה. וְכָל הַמִּינִים כְּרֶגַע יאבֵדוּ. וְכָל אויְבֵי עַמְּךָ מְהֵרָה יִכָּרֵתוּ. וְהַזֵדִים מְהֵרָה תְעַקֵּר וּתְשַׁבֵּר וּתְמַגֵּר וּתְכַלֵּם וְתַשְׁפִּילֵם וְתַכְנִיעֵם בִּמְהֵרָה בְיָמֵינוּ:
בָּרוּךְ אַתָּה ה'. שׁובֵר אויְבִים וּמַכְנִיעַ זֵדִים:
This is actually a milder version of the original prayer that was instituted in Yavne after חורבן בית שני (the destruction of the Second Temple).
Before we get to what Chazal teach us about the meaning of this obligatory prayer, here is the translation:
"To the informers may there be no hope. And all heretics should disappear in a moment. And all enemies of Your people should quickly be cut off. And the evildoers, You should uproot, smash and destroy. And You should destroy them and humiliate them and defeat them quickly in our days. Blessed are You, G-d, Who smashes enemies and defeats evildoers."
This is a prayer that was added to the 18 tfilot that had existed before the destruction of the Second Temple. It was added by Raban Gamliel HaSheni (also known as Raban Gamliel HaZaken), with the נוסחה of HaTana Shmuel HaKatan.
Chazal teach us that informers and heretics and evildoers and enemies are all put in the same category in this prayer, because any Jew who tries to harm his fellow Jews is regarded as a "moser" (informer). This includes even heretics - see גמרא סנהדרין ל''ח and the Rambam הלכות רוצח פרק ד. ANY incitement to harm one's fellow Jews is מסירה (informing).
Doom, by JUSTIFYING this abomination and minimizing its seriousness, YOU also are guilty of מסירה. Because the evil and utterly un-Jewish attitude that you and Guzofsky and the others on that hideous forum display on this issue encourages and incites future informing. Not to mention that your lack of concern for what this did to Pollard, Manning and me proves that you have no genuine love for your fellow Jews.
And you even justify Rubin's monstrous remarks in the Village Voice - "I would not sit shiva if Meir Kahane dropped dead". You claim that Rubin meant that he is not Rabbi Kahane's relative, so he does not have to sit shiva, when you know DAMN WELL what Rubin really meant. Who do you think you're fooling? You're certainly not fooling G-d! YOU WILL YET PAY FOR YOUR JUSTIFICATION OF RUBIN SAYING THAT HE WOULD BE HAPPY TO SEE OUR HOLY RABBI DROP DEAD. YOU WILL PAY EITHER IN THIS WORLD OR THE NEXT OR BOTH.
You never knew Rabbi Kahane, and Guzofsky barely knew him. If our great Rabbi had seen people like you and Guzofsky and Eli Ben Meir (who condemned the teargassing of the Soviet ballet on your hideous forum), he would have thrown all of you out of our movement on your tucheses. The day will come when you will greatly regret your sins against Pollard, Manning, myself and Soviet Jews.
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Was Rubin Murdered?
Some say that he commited suicide in prison. (I'm not 100 % convinced about that theory.)
I tend to believe that he must have tried to ''shortchange'' another inmate, and was killed in retaliation.