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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks on April 17, 2008, 06:21:24 PM
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To all sycophants of Guzofsky/Yekutiel:
Let's assume, for the sake of argument, that your hero/idol/g-d Yekutiel is indeed all that you claim him to be: the true right-hand man of HaRav (zt"l) and a supreme, infallible Jewish leader who is halachically correct to hate all Gentiles, as well as any Jew who does not. Yekutiel is right, and Chaim ben Pesach is wrong.
Now, then, if all of the above is true, please answer just one thing:
How do you explain Guzofsky's complete and utter lack of sound judgment regarding reading people? Even if all of the above is true of your hero, you can't explain away the fact that he is profoundly, paralyzingly gullible. You can attempt to spin or make excuses about his love of Irv Rubin (ys"vz), betrayal of Jonathan Pollard, and hatred of Chaim ben Pesach all you want, but you can't attempt to deny that Mike is far too trusting of people--particularly those who profess to share his views.
Guzofsky was immediately taken in by the Shabak officer David Haivri's professions of loyalty, hatred of Gentiles, and detestation of Chaim ben Pesach and JTF. Based solely on his claims to agree with his philosophy, Mike quickly admitted Haivri into his innermost circle of friends and shared with him the most intimate parts of his operations. For someone who professes to lead a right-wing Jewish, antigovernment underground, this was surely foolish. Sure enough--last summer, the IDF came knocking on Guzofsky's door, and his dog-training operation was shut down.
As far as I know (but I might be wrong--I don't study the postings of that cultist and his handful of vacuous adherents), Guzofsky has never conceded that he was wrong about Haivri and made an error in judgment. Chaim ben Pesach has, on the other hand, admitted where he was wrong about various people he was wrong about--Baruch Marzel, Anus-T, etc. Nor has Chaim ever rushed to make somebody privy to all of his activities on the ground in Judea and Samaria simply because that individual has approached him with a profession of support for JTF.
So, Yekutiel-worshippers--explain your way out of this one. ;)
Chaimfan
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It is hard to make sound decisions when your mouth is stuffed with food and you are walking around full the whole day. Not as much blood flows to the brain when people are in this state and that is why guzzy can't make proper decisions. He sits there and feeds amunition to the two shmucks who he has taken under his wing. Instead of fighting islam and shvartza anti semitism, they are busy talking about how great bonny pechter, and fern sidman were and they attack the holy tzaddik who sat in prison because he saved a million russian jews. If the splinter forum is not a death cult, nothing is.
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It is hard to make sound decisions when your mouth is stuffed with food and you are walking around full the whole day. Not as much blood flows to the brain when people are in this state and that is why guzzy can't make proper decisions. He sits there and feeds amunition to the two shmucks who he has taken under his wing. Instead of fighting islam and shvartza anti semitism, they are busy talking about how great bonny pechter, and fern sidman were and they attack the holy tzaddik who sat in prison because he saved a million russian jews. If the splinter forum is not a death cult, nothing is.
Yekutiel is totally irrelevant in the Israeli political arena.
He profits from the fact that he controls the kahane.org domain to elevate his status, and play the tough guy.
Visitors from all over the world, wanting to learn about the Rabbi Kahane, unfortunately end up on that poorly managed web site.
Everything is lame on that site. The web site design, the forum, the videos, EVERYTHING!
Imagine what could the talented JTFers do with it if they'd be in charge of kahane.org domain!
I believe it would greatly advance the JTF movement.
Archie.
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To be honest DWI, CF and Archie, I never heard of this other group until being on this forum. People do know who or what JTF is and they know who Chaim ben Pesach is. If you ask anyone these other groups they wouldn't know. So who really cares about this other group of irrelevence. Look at this forum. I have known JTF for almost 15 years due to QPTV originally. So quite frankly who cares about this other group?
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It is hard to make sound decisions when your mouth is stuffed with food and you are walking around full the whole day. Not as much blood flows to the brain when people are in this state and that is why guzzy can't make proper decisions. He sits there and feeds amunition to the two shmucks who he has taken under his wing. Instead of fighting islam and shvartza anti semitism, they are busy talking about how great bonny pechter, and fern sidman were and they attack the holy tzaddik who sat in prison because he saved a million russian jews. If the splinter forum is not a death cult, nothing is.
This slander is what Chaim endorses. I hope you all see this. R' Kahane Zs'l would have never wanted his successor to such an angry slanderous lunatic motivated only by hatred and jealousy like DWI.
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It is hard to make sound decisions when your mouth is stuffed with food and you are walking around full the whole day. Not as much blood flows to the brain when people are in this state and that is why guzzy can't make proper decisions. He sits there and feeds amunition to the two shmucks who he has taken under his wing. Instead of fighting islam and shvartza anti semitism, they are busy talking about how great bonny pechter, and fern sidman were and they attack the holy tzaddik who sat in prison because he saved a million russian jews. If the splinter forum is not a death cult, nothing is.
Yekutiel is totally irrelevant in the Israeli political arena.
He profits from the fact that he controls the kahane.org domain to elevate is status, and play the tough guy.
Visitors from all over the world, wanting to learn about the Rabbi Kahane, unfortunately end up on that poorly managed web site.
Everything is lame on that site. The web site design, the forum, the videos, EVERYTHING!
Imagine what could the talented JTFers do with it if they'd be in charge of kahane.org domain!
It believe it would greatly advance the JTF movement.
Archie.
You are so right and this is exactly why guzzy is hurting the cause far more than his little dog training helps. When people go to kahane.org and they see the drek that he has their, it totally ruins the kahane image. What a shame and I hope hashem puts an end to this busha.
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Visitors from all over the world, wanting to learn about the Rabbi Kahane, unfortunately end up on that poorly managed web site.
Everything is lame on that site. The web site design, the forum, the videos, EVERYTHING!
Imagine what could the talented JTFers do with it if they'd be in charge of kahane.org domain!
It believe it would greatly advance the JTF movement.
Archie.
I disagree with you Archie. I checked all the audio and videos on the website kahane.org,
and I learned a lot about Rabbi Meir Kahane's ideas; and the brilliant way he used to express them.
That in combination with the videos of Chaim Ben Pesach is the reason why I joined JTF.
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It is hard to make sound decisions when your mouth is stuffed with food and you are walking around full the whole day. Not as much blood flows to the brain when people are in this state and that is why guzzy can't make proper decisions. He sits there and feeds amunition to the two shmucks who he has taken under his wing. Instead of fighting islam and shvartza anti semitism, they are busy talking about how great bonny pechter, and fern sidman were and they attack the holy tzaddik who sat in prison because he saved a million russian jews. If the splinter forum is not a death cult, nothing is.
This slander is what Chaim endorses. I hope you all see this. R' Kahane Zs'l would have never wanted his successor to such an angry slanderous lunatic motivated only by hatred and jealousy like DWI.
Again you are distorting. Upwards of 99 percent of my posts are pure fact and I point out why Guzzy harms kahanism. This is why Chaim sided with me in the argument and not you. You are a defender of informers.
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So quite frankly who cares about this other group?
You know, I agree with you 100%.
I don't care about them. I care about the fact that they control the kahane.org domain.
By controling the kahane.org domain, Yekutiel can falsely impose himself as the successor of Rabbi Kahane.
That's where I feel uneasy. :-\
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So quite frankly who cares about this other group?
You know, I agree with you 100%.
I don't care about them. I care about the fact that they control the kahane.org domain.
By controling the kahane.org domain, Yekutiel can falsely impose himself has the successor of Rabbi Kahane.
That's where I feel uneasy. :-\
Archie, you are quickly proving that you are one of this forums greatest members ever. You should be made an honorable winged member for the articles you posted about Chaim which prves that the splinter group is full of drek.
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I disagree with you Archie. I checked all the audio and videos on the website kahane.org,
and I learned a lot about Rabbi Meir Kahane's ideas; and the brilliant way he used to express them.
That in combination with the videos of Chaim Ben Pesach is the reason why I joined JTF.
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Hi Ambiorix,
When I said everything is lame on that site, I was not reffering to Rabbi Kahane's media material.
I was pointing out the drek that Yekutiel's crew created...ie, Yekutiel [censored] videos.
Regards,
Archie.
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You guys are very deranged. As I posted many times before, I don't care if someone is indeed is a dumb ugly fat man who never even saw R' Kahane. Any individual who builds a hilltop in Israel, builds a Yeshiva, makes a guard dog program in Israel for settlements that protects them for Arabs, spends 2 yrs in prison, and spreads the Kahane message should be praised. Who cares if that individual even met Kahane or if he is ugly or fat. Who cares? You guys are nuts.
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You are so right and this is exactly why guzzy is hurting the cause far more than his little dog training helps. When people go to kahane.org and they see the drek that he has their, it totally ruins the kahane image. What a shame and I hope hashem puts an end to this busha.
Sorry DWI, but I think you are almost attacking Rabbi Meir Kahane himself by writing this.
The content on that website ; the audio and video of Rabbi Kahane is not dreck.
It is the essential for the people to know what his message was, and you can find a lot relevant information there.
I repeat : the videos on that kahane.org site are no "dreck".
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I disagree with you Archie. I checked all the audio and videos on the website kahane.org,
and I learned a lot about Rabbi Meir Kahane's ideas; and the brilliant way he used to express them.
That in combination with the videos of Chaim Ben Pesach is the reason why I joined JTF.
Hi Ambiorix,
When I said everything is lame on that site, I was not reffering to Rabbi Kahane's media material.
I was pointing out the drek that Yekutiel's crew created...ie, Yekutiel [censored] videos.
Regards,
Archie.
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Archie, I am with you on this. Any video or audio of Rabbi Kahane himself is 100 percent holy and sacred. Everything created by the splinter group is scum and vile.
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Hi Ambiorix,
When I said everything is lame on that site, I was not reffering to Rabbi Kahane's media material.
I was pointing out the drek that Yekutiel's crew created...ie, Yekutiel [censored] videos.
Regards,
Archie.>>
Archie,
I haven't watched any Jekutiel videos.
It is not to me to judge them neither.
Regards,
Ambiorix.
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What about the video they had of Yekutiel's protest last year to free Pollard where he and a group of people got arrested by the Police and the Police were roughing up Yekutiel? All of this was shown on that video. Was that [censored] material? Was the video of Yekutiel marching into an Arab town with a bunch of armed Jews and the Police taking back stolen goats that the Arabs stole from his settlement? Was that [censored]?
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<<Any video or audio of Rabbi Kahane himself is 100 percent holy and sacred. >>
I agree 100%.
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I haven't watched any Jekutiel videos.
I'd suggest you do. Just for the sake of it. ^-^
You'll see how amateurish the whole setup is.
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What about the video they had of Yekutiel's protest last year to free Pollard where he and a group of people got arrested by the Police and the Police were roughing up Yekutiel? All of this was shown on that video. Was that [censored] material? Was the video of Yekutiel marching into an Arab town with a bunch of armed Jews and the Police taking back stolen goats that the Arabs stole from his settlement? Was that excrement?
Archie, you are a tzaddik for sticking up for Chaim and I have so much respect for you. You analysis of the splinter group is on a PHD level. Their whole setup is a damaging thorn in the side of the kahanist movt and should be shut down for the sake of Rabbi Kahanes dignity.
As far as guzzy is concerned, the damage he is doing to right wing jewry more than negates any possible good he is doing or has done.
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What about the video they had of Yekutiel's protest last year to free Pollard where he and a group of people got arrested by the Police and the Police were roughing up Yekutiel? All of this was shown on that video. Was that [censored] material? Was the video of Yekutiel marching into an Arab town with a bunch of armed Jews and the Police taking back stolen goats that the Arabs stole from his settlement? Was that excrement?
Archie, you are a tzaddik for sticking up for Chaim and I have so much respect for you. You analysis of the splinter group is on a PHD level. Their whole setup is a damaging thorn in the side of the kahanist movt and should be shut down for the sake of Rabbi Kahanes dignity.
As far as guzzy is concerned, the damage he is doing to right wing jewry more than negates and possible good he is doing or has done.
You are insane. So it would be OK with you if Jews die in settlements because Yekutiel's dog program is shut down and it will be OK to give land to Arabs when Yekutiel's Yeshiva and Hilltop is shut down. And it will be OK to lose a big Kahanist spokesmen all for the opportunity to wait until Chaim comes to Israel, which may never happen. How stupid and insane. In Judaism, we don't believe in the concept of everyone else stopping what they are doing with the hope that a great leader replaces them. Anybody is encouraged to do as many Mitzvot as they possibly can and the leaders praise support them and the leaders do even more Mitzvot. The view you have is the most deranged view of Judaism I have ever seen.
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What about the video they had of Yekutiel's protest last year to free Pollard where he and a group of people got arrested by the Police and the Police were roughing up Yekutiel? All of this was shown on that video. Was that [censored] material? Was the video of Yekutiel marching into an Arab town with a bunch of armed Jews and the Police taking back stolen goats that the Arabs stole from his settlement? Was that excrement?
Archie, you are a tzaddik for sticking up for Chaim and I have so much respect for you. You analysis of the splinter group is on a PHD level. Their whole setup is a damaging thorn in the side of the kahanist movt and should be shut down for the sake of Rabbi Kahanes dignity.
As far as guzzy is concerned, the damage he is doing to right wing jewry more than negates and possible good he is doing or has done.
You are insane. So it would be OK with you if Jews die in settlements because Yekutiel's dog program is shut down and it will be OK to give land to Arabs when Yekutiel's Yeshiva and Hilltop is shut down. And it will be OK to lose a big Kahanist spokesmen all for the opportunity to wait until Chaim comes to Israel, which may never happen. How stupid and insane. In Judaism, we don't believe in the concept of everyone else stopping what they are doing with the hope that a great leader replaces them. Anybody is encouraged to do as many Mitzvot as they possibly can and the leaders praise support them and the leaders do even more Mitzvot. The view you have is the most deranged view of Judaism I have ever seen.
You have the same crdibility that bill clinton had after the stain was discovered on monica lewinskys dress. Please go back to the splinter forum.
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When R' Kahane Zs'l talks about crazies motivated by hatred that damage the movement, he was talking about people like you Downwithislam. You simply trample over the Torah by slandering great people and have a very distorted view of Judaism.
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You guys are very deranged. As I posted many times before, I don't care if someone is indeed is a dumb ugly fat man who never even saw R' Kahane. Any individual who builds a hilltop in Israel, builds a Yeshiva, makes a guard dog program in Israel for settlements that protects them for Arabs, spends 2 yrs in prison, and spreads the Kahane message should be praised. Who cares if that individual even met Kahane or if he is ugly or fat. Who cares? You guys are nuts.
Its not worth its beating a dead horse. They are cult followers of their leader.
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When R' Kahane Zs'l talks about crazies motivated by hatred that damage the movement, he was talking about people like you Downwithislam. You simply trample over the Torah by slandering great people and have a very distorted view of Judaism.
My view of judaism is very sound. You are certainly not the one to tell me whether or not my view of judaism is correct. I will let someone of a higher authority than you decide that. I am sorry you are upset that I defend a man who has given his whole entire life in defense of the jewish people.
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When R' Kahane Zs'l talks about crazies motivated by hatred that damage the movement, he was talking about people like you Downwithislam. You simply trample over the Torah by slandering great people and have a very distorted view of Judaism.
My view of judaism is very sound. You are certainly not the one to tell me whether or not my view of judaism is correct. I will let someone of a higher authority than you decide that. I am sorry you are upset that I defend a man who has given his whole entire life in defense of the jewish people.
I don't care if you think that Chaim is the greatest man who ever existed and you don't like Yekutiel. Great for you. I am upset that you slander a righteous man.
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When R' Kahane Zs'l talks about crazies motivated by hatred that damage the movement, he was talking about people like you Downwithislam. You simply trample over the Torah by slandering great people and have a very distorted view of Judaism.
My view of judaism is very sound. You are certainly not the one to tell me whether or not my view of judaism is correct. I will let someone of a higher authority than you decide that. I am sorry you are upset that I defend a man who has given his whole entire life in defense of the jewish people.
I don't care if you think that Chaim is the greatest man who ever existed and you don't like Yekutiel. Great for you. I am upset that you slander a righteous man.
Go back to the splinter group. You claimed you were leaving jtf so now be a man of your word and stop pestering us here. Would you like me to pay a visit to your brothel(aka kahane.org) and disrupt the evil activities going on there?
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And it will be OK to lose a big Kahanist spokesmen all for the opportunity to wait until Chaim comes to Israel, which may never happen.
Yekutiel is not a big Kahanist spokesman. He is a FAT Kahanist spokesman. Big difference.
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And it will be OK to lose a big Kahanist spokesmen all for the opportunity to wait until Chaim comes to Israel, which may never happen.
Yekutiel is not a big Kahanist spokesman. He is a FAT Kahanist spokesman. Big difference.
Ok, he is fat. What does that matter? There is a famous story of someone making fun of a rabbi. He told him blame Hashem for that. That is how Hashem made him, blame Hashem for it, dont make fun of him. You are a clear out Rasha.
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Ok, he is fat. What does that matter?
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No, It doesn't matter. I'm tall and skinny. It sucks, but that's the way I am.
But I don't pretend that I'm Rocky!
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Ok, he is fat. What does that matter?
No, It doesn't matter. I'm tall and skinny. It sucks, but that's the way I am.
But I don't pretend that I'm Rocky!
[/quote]Cause he does?
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Cause he does?
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Well do you?
I'm getting tired of arguing with you crazy mixed up kids.
Game over. It's my last post ever on Yekutiel et al.
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JDL4EVER:
I am not an experienced poster or one with many credentials in the Kahanist movement; I am a huge fan of RABBI KAHANE ZT"L FIRST AND FOREMOST, and have read many of his books, and would love to spread his message and ideas to all Jews.
However, you claim other people are cult-disciples of Chaim, and that JTF is moreso a ploy to feed his ego and sense of importance than to serve his mentor and rabbi, the great Kahane. You ALSO make the outlandish claim that YEKUTIEL is doing MORE for the movement than Chaim because he is in Israel, whereas Chaim is stuck in America! If Chaim is such a powerless egotistical usurper, then WHY is there a HUGE FORUM for JTF in HEBREW language for ISRAELIS?
Chaim has MOBILIZED the movment! Chaim is brining the message of Kahane to more people, and even though he may not be IN the land of Israel, his message is definately penetrating those with open ears - Noam Federman and the hilltop youth are also part of JTF and the movement - I don't understand how JTF, which has two arms in both IN israel and abroad is weaker than kahane.org's movement, which seems to be limited to Mike Guzofsky and his small group of loyal followers in which you belong.
Nobody is questioning that hilltop communities and other admirable actions of Yekutiel ARE mitzvot, and do help to combat the socialist fascist bolsheviks in Israel... but the major problem is that YOU decide to come to JTF and talk trash about Chaim because a few members of this board have been intrusive on the kahane.org boards. Chaim, and JTF's, problem with Guzofsky is that he has FRAUDULENTLY claimed to be the real representitive of the Kahanist movement, and the story of this LETTER from Meir Kahane which gives him "legitimate" succession of Kach/Kahane Chai/the Kahanist movement IS the real cause for all this dissent.
so please, stop trying to divide and destroy this movement. I know the posters on this forum can be overzealous and offensive, but in the end we just want to spread the GREAT MESSAGE OF KAHANE, and personally, i think CHAIM is doing a MUCH MUCH MUCH better job at this - he has adapted to the new world, and has used technology to mobilize what WAS a movement on it's death bed - YOU ARE THE ONE SLANDERING SOMEONE WHO IS DOING MITZVOT, AND YOU ARE BEING VERY HYPOCRITICAL.
Chaim, please keep up the good work. And please, make some videos where you TALK EXCLUSIVELY ABOUT THE RAV'S WRITINGS AND OPINIONS - THEY ARE THE REAL FUEL FOR THIS MOVEMENT, AND MORE PEOPLE ON THIS FORUM NEED TO LEARN THEM MORE INTIMATELY.
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Folks, let's not lose focus on the bigger picture here. There are far more pressing issues than Yekuti'el and his pathetic forum. What's more important? Yekuti'el or the Islamic threat to our survival? Yekuti'el or the very realistic danger of the creation of a PLO/Hamas/Fatah terrorist state right within the heart of Israel? Yekuti'el or the strong possibility of a black Muslim controlling the White House? Unless somebody here can convince me that this thread serves a purpose I'm locking it at 11 PM EST.
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Folks, let's not lose focus on the bigger picture here. There are far more pressing issues than Yekuti'el and his pathetic forum. What's more important? Yekuti'el or the Islamic threat to our survival ? Yekuti'el or the very realistic danger of the creation of a PLO/Hamas/Fatah terrorist state right within the heart of Israel? Yekuti'el or the strong possibility of a black Muslim controlling the White House? Unless somebody here can convince me that this thread serves a purpose I'm locking it at 11 PM EST.
You are right, Yirmiyahu. Which is why I have now banned their members. I let them post here so that we could refute their lies, but I think any sane person can now see who is telling the truth. So we should get back to the real issues, which are the threats to our very survival posed by Barack Hussein Obama, the Muslim terrorists and their Western collaborators.
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Why are we all fighting, Chaim is a fine leader, Mike is a fine leader, Marzel is a fine leader, all these guys are good honest right-wing guys. While they are all working on different specific things, their general goal is the same, to fix Israel and America.
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it's a good idea Chaim - you finally put JDL4EVER out of his misery!
he kept claiming he was "done with this", yet he posted more here than on the kahane.org forums.
however, i don't think it's wise to ban all who disagree, i DO think they were side-tracking pretty much any meaningful thread into an arguement about succession of the JDL.
Chaim, i DO have a request for you: could you please make a video where you read a POWERFUL and still-pertinent excerpt from one of the Kahane's (ZT"L) books, and just expand on it and explain more! You were very close to the Rav, i know you are trying to avoid speaking for him, and we SHOULD let his word's and writings do the speaking FOR HIM, but i do think we need to INCREASE the exposure people have to his GREAT ideas.
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I'm sorry guys, but I'm locking this thread.