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I am interested to know BOTH sides on this.. What do you REALLY feel about this agenda? (PLEASE STOP HOLDING BACK!!) I believe that men SHOULD have their say- totally 100% -Since it IS them that ARE losing THEIR jobs, in all fields b/c of affirmative action,(militant women on stilts) illegals, and card-carrying green card people. I believe that there are GREAT women, that are NOT with this demonic agenda- and ARE in FACT, BALANCED, like myself... (I think)
Also, can you please refrain from getting ugly- BOTH Male and female, this is an IMPORTANT topic- that RARELY EVER gets discussed, and men are FORCED to sit down and stfup. And THAT BOTHERS Me BIGTIME. TY.
What I feel is this: The American WHITE MALE, specifically- has been SCREWED, PERIOD. I want to be a woman that my future husband ADORES, and loves, and gives honor to, and is NOT embarassed over.
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i think the a good point about the female "liberation" is that a woman voiced that females have a choice to be what they want to be and that they don't have to be just one thing...
and that they aren't property.
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i think the a good point about the female "liberation" is that a woman voiced that females have a choice to be what they want to be and that they don't have to be just one thing...
and that they aren't property.
Well, this is not an iZlamic forum. I REALLY WISH that men would REALLY get OUT their contempt over this. Women that KNOW that this has messed up USA SHOULD come forward, and share their BALANCED view, which ALSO women like myself are just told to shut up (by women of my OWN sex.). A balanced REAL view is what IS needed. What we have now- is SICKENING.
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i think the a good point about the female "liberation" is that a woman voiced that females have a choice to be what they want to be and that they don't have to be just one thing...
and that they aren't property.
Women have never been 'property'. At least not in the West.
You sound like a victim of the modern public school system, Dan.
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It's good that women are no longer bound to the kitchen, and if they want to work they can.
But it has gone too far, where women think they can play the man.
Fortunately, it is not such a serious problem, because even if women go around claiming all forms of superiority over men, a man can always tip her upside down and run up and down the stairs singing the american national anthem, and make her feel silly!
One female I know, she appeared at the door after coming from a party, and she had a terrible attitude.. And she wanted to stop me watching the tv program I was watching. So I got up, and I told her to behave herself. Then she comes up with this outrageous statement that apparently women commonly say to bouncers in nightclubs. She said "What are you going to do? Hit me?".
(of course, I wouldn't, but this is how these "party girls" talk)
So I replied
"No"
And a big smile appeared across her face.
Then I said
"I'm going to squeeze your little nose"
And a look of absolute horror came over her face.. The look of arrogance suddenly fell, and I grabbed her little nose and gently wiggled it left to right.. Her Ego went from the sky to the floor.
And she never -ever- said that to me again!!!
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i think the a good point about the female "liberation" is that a woman voiced that females have a choice to be what they want to be and that they don't have to be just one thing...
and that they aren't property.
Women have never been 'property'. At least not in the West.
You sound like a victim of the modern public school system, Dan.
Well, is Scriabin the ONLY truth-teller here? PLEASE! This is ABOMINABLE. THIS IS ABOUT THE WEST for-cryin-out-loud. Hello? English? I am not barack obama that would have u all speak spanish- this is a MAJOR PROBLEM!!!!!!!!!
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The Talmud states that the ancient Babylonian civilization fell because their women demanded to be equal with men, and began taking on traditionally male roles.
I believe that the sum total of the modern "Women's Lib Movement" is based on the invention and wide-spread availability of the "birth control pill", synthetic pharmaceutical hormones to prevent a woman's natural body processes from taking place.
For the first time in recorded history, girls as young as 12 or 13 could take a pill, and have unlimited sex with unlimited partners, with almost no repercussions.
Whether intentional or unintentional, it was the scientific and medical industries in America which, in effect, did away with conventional morality and declared "We give you the one freedom which even the Constitution and Bill of Rights can't give you:
"The Freedom to Engage in Sexual Promiscuity Without Guilt or Consequences!"
This removal of guilt and removal of condemnation for sin, inevitably led to women "using" men as sex objects, and "dumping" them as once did young men who took advantage of a young girl's innocence.
Since there never again would be a connection between irresponsible behaviors and pregnancy, then it was only natural that women then come to view their natural roles as mothers and child bearers as "abominations", which could only interfere with "enjoying life" and "having fun".
And if one is to "party hearty" and "enjoy life" without responsibilities, it should be best if one has their own separate and ample income, so as never again to be reliant on a family or husband for one's livelihood.
For the sake of space, I must stop here.
I was alive before the birth control pill was made public, so I have with my own eyes witnessed the immense changes which have taken place, most of which have had a negative affect on humanity.
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the early days of the womens' liberation movement are a world we are not that familiar with.
I know in other countries, women had their feet bound so they couldn't run away, and they really were treated badly. And if you look at james bond films, you notice he did slap women around quite a bit. It was unnecessary. He could have just physically restrained them.
I don't think womens' liberation is a danger to men.. I am not sure who it dangers. Maybe women. I guess it's hard for them to opt out now. So it did go too far.
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Nevertheless let every one of you in particular so love his wife even as himself; and the wife see that she reverence her husband. Ephesians 5:33
Men and women are different and each have distinct skills and reactions that make them best as a whole as God planned.
In my family, I am responsible for finance, religion and defence. My wife is responsible for our social life, child care and directing the smooth operation of our home. Although we are each best at being the "guiding force" in our stated responsibilites, very often one will guide/influence the other in the other's matters.
That said, she also has a lot more education and letters after her name than I do. She owns and manages a large successful business operation. So I would say that in many ways she is a liberated woman but also a Biblical woman.
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Massuh is correct but he left out Abortion and 'Women's right to choose'.
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i think the a good point about the female "liberation" is that a woman voiced that females have a choice to be what they want to be and that they don't have to be just one thing...
and that they aren't property.
Women have never been 'property'. At least not in the West.
You sound like a victim of the modern public school system, Dan.
No, women, even till this day, are treated like property
And women have made themselves into property..just look at MTV and such...My point was that the women's lib movement (not being perfect) attempted to give women that ability to think for themselves rather than males to think for them and also to be seen as property.
And by all means...that's the only good thing it might have done..
the rest was a lot worse because now a "liberated" woman feels it's ok for her to be a slut and sleep around and do the things she does..because she's "liberated"...and she has a choice to be with a man or without a man...
So yes, the liberated movmeent did terribly as well...
I'm saying one good thing it might have done...one of the points was that it gave women that choice if they wanted to pursue a career or stay at home..or to disallow some evils of men that would rule over her...yes, there were men in the west that didnt' treat women with any respect...
and look how far it has gotten us...More decent men fear women and don't push themselves on women..and it is because of the women's lib movement. Women are more empowered to say, "No."
that's one positive thing that iw oudl say came out of it.
But a lot of negatives came as well..actually more negatives...These negatives need to be undone. And the positives reinforced.
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i think the a good point about the female "liberation" is that a woman voiced that females have a choice to be what they want to be and that they don't have to be just one thing...
and that they aren't property.
Women have never been 'property'. At least not in the West.
You sound like a victim of the modern public school system, Dan.
No, women, even till this day, are treated like property
And women have made themselves into property..just look at MTV and such...My point was that the women's lib movement (not being perfect) attempted to give women that ability to think for themselves rather than males to think for them and also to be seen as property.
And by all means...that's the only good thing it might have done..
the rest was a lot worse because now a "liberated" woman feels it's ok for her to be a slut and sleep around and do the things she does..because she's "liberated"...and she has a choice to be with a man or without a man...
So yes, the liberated movmeent did terribly as well...
I'm saying one good thing it might have done...one of the points was that it gave women that choice if they wanted to pursue a career or stay at home..or to disallow some evils of men that would rule over her...yes, there were men in the west that didnt' treat women with any respect...
and look how far it has gotten us...More decent men fear women and don't push themselves on women..and it is because of the women's lib movement. Women are more empowered to say, "No."
that's one positive thing that iw oudl say came out of it.
But a lot of negatives came as well..actually more negatives...These negatives need to be undone. And the positives reinforced.
If you changed the word 'property' to 'sex-objects' I would agree with you.
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Nevertheless let every one of you in particular so love his wife even as himself; and the wife see that she reverence her husband. Ephesians 5:33
Men and women are different and each have distinct skills and reactions that make them best as a whole as G-d planned.
In my family, I am responsible for finance, religion and defence. My wife is responsible for our social life, child care and directing the smooth operation of our home. Although we are each best at being the "guiding force" in our stated responsibilites, very often one will guide/influence the other in the other's matters.
That said, she also has a lot more education and letters after her name than I do. She owns and manages a large successful business operation. So I would say that in many ways she is a liberated woman but also a Biblical woman.
Wisely stated, Shamgar...
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i think the a good point about the female "liberation" is that a woman voiced that females have a choice to be what they want to be and that they don't have to be just one thing...
and that they aren't property.
Women have never been 'property'. At least not in the West.
You sound like a victim of the modern public school system, Dan.
No, women, even till this day, are treated like property
And women have made themselves into property..just look at MTV and such...My point was that the women's lib movement (not being perfect) attempted to give women that ability to think for themselves rather than males to think for them and also to be seen as property.
And by all means...that's the only good thing it might have done..
the rest was a lot worse because now a "liberated" woman feels it's ok for her to be a slut and sleep around and do the things she does..because she's "liberated"...and she has a choice to be with a man or without a man...
So yes, the liberated movmeent did terribly as well...
I'm saying one good thing it might have done...one of the points was that it gave women that choice if they wanted to pursue a career or stay at home..or to disallow some evils of men that would rule over her...yes, there were men in the west that didnt' treat women with any respect...
and look how far it has gotten us...More decent men fear women and don't push themselves on women..and it is because of the women's lib movement. Women are more empowered to say, "No."
that's one positive thing that iw oudl say came out of it.
But a lot of negatives came as well..actually more negatives...These negatives need to be undone. And the positives reinforced.
If you changed the word 'property' to 'sex-objects' I would agree with you.
same thing almost... But see shamgar's post...he stated it well..
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Nevertheless let every one of you in particular so love his wife even as himself; and the wife see that she reverence her husband. Ephesians 5:33
Men and women are different and each have distinct skills and reactions that make them best as a whole as G-d planned.
In my family, I am responsible for finance, religion and defence. My wife is responsible for our social life, child care and directing the smooth operation of our home. Although we are each best at being the "guiding force" in our stated responsibilites, very often one will guide/influence the other in the other's matters.
That said, she also has a lot more education and letters after her name than I do. She owns and manages a large successful business operation. So I would say that in many ways she is a liberated woman but also a Biblical woman.
Shamgar- Orthodox Jewish men & ALL Jewish men and women here take no notice of the N.T.
At that rate- you can't even hardly get Righteous gentile women to even submit to THAT statement as well, that you DO have a good woman, (which is what I am assuming) Good for you. But the PROBLEM IN THE USA IS THE WOMAN, that is militant, and UGLY- and IF they could, they would do EVERYHING in their power to even come and tell YOUR wife that she is weak. THIS IS SERIOUS. B/C OF the militant she-demons our Troops are HANDCUFFED AT WAR, this IS an ABOMINATION. B/C OF THEM, there are criminal and murderers in the streets- b/c of FEEEELINGSSSS- Justice is stripped b/c of these terrible females. I HATE THEIR GUTTS.
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Nevertheless let every one of you in particular so love his wife even as himself; and the wife see that she reverence her husband. Ephesians 5:33
Men and women are different and each have distinct skills and reactions that make them best as a whole as G-d planned.
In my family, I am responsible for finance, religion and defence. My wife is responsible for our social life, child care and directing the smooth operation of our home. Although we are each best at being the "guiding force" in our stated responsibilites, very often one will guide/influence the other in the other's matters.
That said, she also has a lot more education and letters after her name than I do. She owns and manages a large successful business operation. So I would say that in many ways she is a liberated woman but also a Biblical woman.
Shamgar- Orthodox Jewish men & ALL Jewish men and women here take no notice of the N.T.
At that rate- you can't even hardly get Righteous gentile women to even submit to THAT statement as well, that you DO have a good woman, (which is what I am assuming) Good for you. But the PROBLEM IN THE USA IS THE WOMAN, that is militant, and UGLY- and IF they could, they would do EVERYHING in their power to even come and tell YOUR wife that she is weak. THIS IS SERIOUS. B/C OF the militant she-demons our Troops are HANDCUFFED AT WAR, this IS an ABOMINATION. B/C OF THEM, there are criminal and murderers in the streets- b/c of FEEEELINGSSSS- Justice is stripped b/c of these terrible females. I HATE THEIR GUTTS.
These militant he-females don't udnerstand then what liberation means...the whole point is that the woman has a CHOICE....
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Nevertheless let every one of you in particular so love his wife even as himself; and the wife see that she reverence her husband. Ephesians 5:33
Men and women are different and each have distinct skills and reactions that make them best as a whole as G-d planned.
In my family, I am responsible for finance, religion and defence. My wife is responsible for our social life, child care and directing the smooth operation of our home. Although we are each best at being the "guiding force" in our stated responsibilites, very often one will guide/influence the other in the other's matters.
That said, she also has a lot more education and letters after her name than I do. She owns and manages a large successful business operation. So I would say that in many ways she is a liberated woman but also a Biblical woman.
Shamgar- Orthodox Jewish men & ALL Jewish men and women here take no notice of the N.T.
At that rate- you can't even hardly get Righteous gentile women to even submit to THAT statement as well, that you DO have a good woman, (which is what I am assuming) Good for you. But the PROBLEM IN THE USA IS THE WOMAN, that is militant, and UGLY- and IF they could, they would do EVERYHING in their power to even come and tell YOUR wife that she is weak. THIS IS SERIOUS. B/C OF the militant she-demons our Troops are HANDCUFFED AT WAR, this IS an ABOMINATION. B/C OF THEM, there are criminal and murderers in the streets- b/c of FEEEELINGSSSS- Justice is stripped b/c of these terrible females. I HATE THEIR GUTTS.
These militant he-females don't udnerstand then what liberation means...the whole point is that the woman has a CHOICE....
A choice to what? Outright Murder? In Jeremiah it states, that 'before you knew Me, I knew YOU in your mothers Womb.' Partial Birth WILL be the obama top priority. 8 month old BABIES DECAPITATED- WOW! What a CHOICE!!!!! >:( We give ARREST men for only DEFENDING their own property!
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Nevertheless let every one of you in particular so love his wife even as himself; and the wife see that she reverence her husband. Ephesians 5:33
Men and women are different and each have distinct skills and reactions that make them best as a whole as G-d planned.
In my family, I am responsible for finance, religion and defence. My wife is responsible for our social life, child care and directing the smooth operation of our home. Although we are each best at being the "guiding force" in our stated responsibilites, very often one will guide/influence the other in the other's matters.
That said, she also has a lot more education and letters after her name than I do. She owns and manages a large successful business operation. So I would say that in many ways she is a liberated woman but also a Biblical woman.
Shamgar- Orthodox Jewish men & ALL Jewish men and women here take no notice of the N.T.
At that rate- you can't even hardly get Righteous gentile women to even submit to THAT statement as well, that you DO have a good woman, (which is what I am assuming) Good for you. But the PROBLEM IN THE USA IS THE WOMAN, that is militant, and UGLY- and IF they could, they would do EVERYHING in their power to even come and tell YOUR wife that she is weak. THIS IS SERIOUS. B/C OF the militant she-demons our Troops are HANDCUFFED AT WAR, this IS an ABOMINATION. B/C OF THEM, there are criminal and murderers in the streets- b/c of FEEEELINGSSSS- Justice is stripped b/c of these terrible females. I HATE THEIR GUTTS.
These militant he-females don't udnerstand then what liberation means...the whole point is that the woman has a CHOICE....
A choice to what? Outright Murder? In Jeremiah it states, that 'before you knew Me, I knew YOU in your mothers Womb.' Partial Birth WILL be the obama top priority. 8 month old BABIES DECAPITATED- WOW! What a CHOICE!!!!! >:( We give ARREST men for only DEFENDING their own property!
wasn't talking about abortion
was talking about a career versus being a domesticated woman...
Abortion is a whole other subject for me to discuss...
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The Womans Liberation movement is multi-purpose killer of Western Civilization. I'm a casualty of it. I hate it with all the fiber of my being.
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I'm all for equal rights and opportunities for women. But the problem with feminism is that it's just another form of collectivism, or another way of expanding the government into our lives, if you will.
Feminists denigrate straight, white men. They blame them for every single evil of the world. And equality of opportunity is not enough for them. Like their fellow leftists, they demand equality of outcome. So for example if there are only male firefighters, it's because of discrimination against women by the evil, patriarchal white man. Feminists ignore the fact that most women weigh less than men, have less lean muscle mass than men, and therefore are unable to carry a 200 lb. man out of a burning building. Feminists want the standards lowered so there can be female firefighters, and never mind that they won't be able to do with job as well as the men. Never mind that people in burning buildings would die if the women can't carry them out, they want women firefighters, or else!
And while they're denigrating straight white men, and telling women they don't need men, they want to make the government into the father/husband figure for all women. They want government mandated daycare for all children. In other words, they want a nanny state. Why do you think so many liberal women in the big cities vote Democrat?
The feminists also denigrate female modesty, and women who choose to stay home to raise their children. They don't want any mothers staying home to raise their children, unless they're black women on welfare, or illegal alien teenagers popping out anchor babies.
I few months ago, I read an article in National Review about a white married right wing women living in Massachussetts, who had three small kids, and who was pregnant with her fourth child (or something like that). She wrote about strangers who would come up to her out of nowhere, who asked her how she managed with all those children, and how many more she was planning on having.
Now since this is Massachussetts, whose residents see fit to repeatedly send John Kerry and Ted Kennedy to the Senate, I have a hard time believing any of these people would go up to some Hispanic woman with four kids, or some black woman with kids and ask them the same question. They would never do it because they would either get stabbed to death, or they'd have the snot beaten out of them at the very least. But most importantly, they wouldn't ask those questions of these women because it's not politically correct for liberals to criticize the fecundity of Third Worlders. White, married, middle class women, on the other hand are fair game for them.
Anyway, sorry for the rant. But that's just my opinion.
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The Womans Liberation movement is multi-purpose killer of Western Civilization. I'm a casualty of it. I hate it with all the fiber of my being.
WOW-you probably cant elaborate, I understand. My Dad, was a terrible fatality of the womens lib MASSACRE. I can only imagine what must of happened. EVERY tactic in this planet was used against my father- he only saw my sister and I, after awhile as a 'bill' My mother was a J.A.P. Sorry to say. My father a Righteous gentile, never religious- but righteous nonetheless. He NEVER EVER talks bad about my mother- this situation just about devoured a very SMALL family. I was VERY bonded to my father, who is extremely VERY masculine- which my mother hated. Now she is married to an even MORE masculine man, for years, my stepfather, who is an atheist- GO FIGURE.. It has taken SO MANY years of hurt, pain, suffering- but I LOVE my father- even though he got SO messed up by this demonic agenda.
Zionist- I really AM SO sorry for you, sounds awfully painful.
My very BEST and DEAREST friend had his son kidnapped by the mother, and the womens lib was WITH her- He is the KINDEST most gentle, but masculine man- she lived to become a felon, and the little baby, didnt find out he had a REAL father until 15 yrs of age. THEN, she called when getting divorced from her current husband, ASKING my dear friend for $$$$$ CAN YOU IMAGINE?
Zionist IS AN EXAMPLE WHY this is VERY IMPORTANT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Especially for women, who think this is "OK" IT IS NOT NOT NOT NOT NOT "ok"!!!! It IS an abomination.
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i think the a good point about the female "liberation" is that a woman voiced that females have a choice to be what they want to be and that they don't have to be just one thing...
and that they aren't property.
When they start supporting all women I might understand your statement.
What if you choose to do just one thing?
What if you choose family over career?
Why are those women held in such disdain by the feminist?
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I'm all for equal rights and opportunities for women. But the problem with feminism is that it's just another form of collectivism, or another way of expanding the government into our lives, if you will.
Feminists denigrate straight, white men. They blame them for every single evil of the world. And equality of opportunity is not enough for them. Like their fellow leftists, they demand equality of outcome. So for example if there are only male firefighters, it's because of discrimination against women by the evil, patriarchal white man. Feminists ignore the fact that most women weigh less than men, have less lean muscle mass than men, and therefore are unable to carry a 200 lb. man out of a burning building. Feminists want the standards lowered so there can be female firefighters, and never mind that they won't be able to do with job as well as the men. Never mind that people in burning buildings would die if the women can't carry them out, they want women firefighters, or else!
And while they're denigrating straight white men, and telling women they don't need men, they want to make the government into the father/husband figure for all women. They want government mandated daycare for all children. In other words, they want a nanny state. Why do you think so many liberal women in the big cities vote Democrat?
The feminists also denigrate female modesty, and women who choose to stay home to raise their children. They don't want any mothers staying home to raise their children, unless they're black women on welfare, or illegal alien teenagers popping out anchor babies.
I few months ago, I read an article in National Review about a white married right wing women living in Massachussetts, who had three small kids, and who was pregnant with her fourth child (or something like that). She wrote about strangers who would come up to her out of nowhere, who asked her how she managed with all those children, and how many more she was planning on having.
Now since this is Massachussetts, whose residents see fit to repeatedly send John Kerry and Ted Kennedy to the Senate, I have a hard time believing any of these people would go up to some Hispanic woman with four kids, or some black woman with kids and ask them the same question. They would never do it because they would either get stabbed to death, or they'd have the snot beaten out of them at the very least. But most importantly, they wouldn't ask those questions of these women because it's not politically correct for liberals to criticize the fecundity of Third Worlders. White, married, middle class women, on the other hand are fair game for them.
Anyway, sorry for the rant. But that's just my opinion.
Lisa- that is NOT A "Rant" You my friend are an EXCELLENT WOMAN, and an HONOR to your sex. BRAVA!
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i think the a good point about the female "liberation" is that a woman voiced that females have a choice to be what they want to be and that they don't have to be just one thing...
and that they aren't property.
When they start supporting all women I might understand your statement.
What if you choose to do just one thing?
What if you choose family over career?
Why are those women held in such disdain by the feminist?
You too Bullcat-BRAVA- yet ANOTHER HONORABLE Woman. I am serious when I totally 100% BELIEVE that the MOST Righteous woman IN USA- ARE HERE on THIS forum. This is so touchy for me, I cant HELP BUT post on it.
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The Womans Liberation movement is multi-purpose killer of Western Civilization. I'm a casualty of it. I hate it with all the fiber of my being.
WOW-you probably cant elaborate, I understand. My Dad, was a terrible fatality of the womens lib MASSACRE. I can only imagine what must of happened. EVERY tactic in this planet was used against my father- he only saw my sister and I, after awhile as a 'bill' My mother was a J.A.P. Sorry to say. My father a Righteous gentile, never religious- but righteous nonetheless. He NEVER EVER talks bad about my mother- this situation just about devoured a very SMALL family. I was VERY bonded to my father, who is extremely VERY masculine- which my mother hated. Now she is married to an even MORE masculine man, for years, my stepfather, who is an atheist- GO FIGURE.. It has taken SO MANY years of hurt, pain, suffering- but I LOVE my father- even though he got SO messed up by this demonic agenda.
Zionist- I really AM SO sorry for you, sounds awfully painful.
My very BEST and DEAREST friend had his son kidnapped by the mother, and the womens lib was WITH her- He is the KINDEST most gentle, but masculine man- she lived to become a felon, and the little baby, didnt find out he had a REAL father until 15 yrs of age. THEN, she called when getting divorced from her current husband, ASKING my dear friend for $$$$$ CAN YOU IMAGINE?
Zionist IS AN EXAMPLE WHY this is VERY IMPORTANT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Especially for women, who think this is "OK" IT IS NOT NOT NOT NOT NOT "ok"!!!! It IS an abomination.
The only thing stopping me from going insane from all the propaganda was hanging on to G-d and Judaism. Honestly, I probably need therapy for all the crap I had slung at me by those Communist bastards. I actually thought it couldn't get any worse in College then in High School. I was wrong. I should have gone to a Yeshiva.
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i think the a good point about the female "liberation" is that a woman voiced that females have a choice to be what they want to be and that they don't have to be just one thing...
and that they aren't property.
When they start supporting all women I might understand your statement.
What if you choose to do just one thing?
What if you choose family over career?
Why are those women held in such disdain by the feminist?
You too Bullcat-BRAVA- yet ANOTHER HONORABLE Woman. I am serious when I totally 100% BELIEVE that the MOST Righteous woman IN USA- ARE HERE on THIS forum. This is so touchy for me, I cant HELP BUT post on it.
Yes.
Bullcat is wonderful.
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Extreme feminism is one of, if not the biggest reason for the moral and social breakdown in america.
Like an above poster stated, that movement is all tied in with left wing/liberal loony ideology.
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Women's Lib is very important. I think it's very important to treat LADIES not women but LADIES (please observe my writing) with respect and equality.
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Extreme feminism is one of, if not the biggest reason for the moral and social breakdown in america.
Like an above poster stated, that movement is all tied in with left wing/liberal loony ideology.
I think that the womens lib movement is the psych. version of iZlam. I believe they would see the death of all people that DO NOT agree with their SICKO agenda. They ARE iZlamic. Totally. They have actually BOUND up women, ESPECIALLY the REAL feminine woman that is a MOTHER, (the highest authority in a home, in a spiritual sense') they literally have THIS type woman in a psychological burka. The demonic she-beast, needs some kind of 'exorcism'. They will NEVER EVER be 'free' of this murdering mindset. HOW bout THAT for being extreme?
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They don't care about wemons rights they just want to contro the way to act and speak
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I have no problem with women having to voice their opinion, to have their right to speech, their right to vote, their rights as individuals the same way men have these rights. However if we are talking about Feminists they are a poor example for women
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I have no problem with women having to voice their opinion, to have their right to speech, their right to vote, their rights as individuals the same way men have these rights. However if we are talking about Feminists they are a poor example for women
Aren't most feminist butch Dikes
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I have no problem with women having to voice their opinion, to have their right to speech, their right to vote, their rights as individuals the same way men have these rights. However if we are talking about Feminists they are a poor example for women
Aren't most feminist butch Dikes
It started with Alic B Toklas, and Gertrude Stein- BOTH WERE DIKES.
This movement is SO EVIL it would make all MEN out to be homos. For ie: Johnny and Tommy laying down with each-other and its OK to 'like' tommy, if you are johnny. Homo men ALSO would LOVE this agenda to be all the way- b/c then it gives them more to feast over- GROSS!!! WHAT A THOUGHT! But it IS a REAL "truth-thought"
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Well I believe in equal pay, equal rights, equal speech but when you got groups like N.O.W. basically condeming everything having to do with males then thats where the line is drawn.
Now what am I about to say may [censored] some well.. So be it
Ladies, there are many jobs out there that are specific for men and men only.
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I have no problem with women having to voice their opinion, to have their right to speech, their right to vote, their rights as individuals the same way men have these rights. However if we are talking about Feminists they are a poor example for women
Aren't most feminist butch Dikes
It started with Alic B Toklas, and Gertrude Stein- BOTH WERE DIKES.
This movement is SO EVIL it would make all MEN out to be homos. For ie: Johnny and Tommy laying down with each-other and its OK to 'like' tommy, if you are johnny. Homo men ALSO would LOVE this agenda to be all the way- b/c then it gives them more to feast over- GROSS!!! WHAT A THOUGHT! But it IS a REAL "truth-thought"
Ewww more to feast over(http://planetsmilies.net/shocked-smiley-9447.gif) (http://planetsmilies.net)(http://planetsmilies.net/vomit-smiley-31.gif) (http://planetsmilies.net)
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Well I believe in equal pay, equal rights, equal speech but when you got groups like N.O.W. basically condeming everything having to do with males then thats where the line is drawn.
Now what am I about to say may shove off some well.. So be it
Ladies, there are many jobs out there that are specific for men and men only.
Name some
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I have no problem with women having to voice their opinion, to have their right to speech, their right to vote, their rights as individuals the same way men have these rights. However if we are talking about Feminists they are a poor example for women
Aren't most feminist butch Dikes
It started with Alic B Toklas, and Gertrude Stein- BOTH WERE DIKES.
This movement is SO EVIL it would make all MEN out to be homos. For ie: Johnny and Tommy laying down with each-other and its OK to 'like' tommy, if you are johnny. Homo men ALSO would LOVE this agenda to be all the way- b/c then it gives them more to feast over- GROSS!!! WHAT A THOUGHT! But it IS a REAL "truth-thought"
Ewww more to feast over(http://planetsmilies.net/shocked-smiley-9447.gif) (http://planetsmilies.net)(http://planetsmilies.net/vomit-smiley-31.gif) (http://planetsmilies.net)
:::D There is this STUPID movement AGAIN, they are taking down signs: "MEN AT WORK" Masterwolf- so- sorry- you men are getting the shaft- women are in charge.
Well Hero- I KNOW EW BARF-
But it is what it is! In Torah (which you also have) The men come almost throught the door to Lot at Sodom & Gomorrah, and they say: "Let us come in, that we may KNOW them" They were like angelic beings that these sick pervs were referring to. :P SICK - there is NO END to the sickness of Female Monsters demons.
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Well I believe in equal pay, equal rights, equal speech but when you got groups like N.O.W. basically condeming everything having to do with males then thats where the line is drawn.
Now what am I about to say may shove off some well.. So be it
Ladies, there are many jobs out there that are specific for men and men only.
Like at my job we had a woman working with us she was nice but when it came time to do the heavy work she could not do it
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Well I believe in equal pay, equal rights, equal speech but when you got groups like N.O.W. basically condeming everything having to do with males then thats where the line is drawn.
Now what am I about to say may shove off some well.. So be it
Ladies, there are many jobs out there that are specific for men and men only.
Name some
Gloria Stinem is an evil Dike woman at one time and that other hag Patricia Ireland once said that women do not need men as their husbands and basically telling women to become lez like these broads.
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Well I believe in equal pay, equal rights, equal speech but when you got groups like N.O.W. basically condeming everything having to do with males then thats where the line is drawn.
Now what am I about to say may shove off some well.. So be it
Ladies, there are many jobs out there that are specific for men and men only.
Name some
Gloria Stinem is an evil Dike woman at one time and that other hag Patricia Ireland once said that women do not need men as their husbands and basically telling women to become lez like these broads.
No I ment jobs
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And, as if we dont need another reason to vote against Obama, here is another. He's a huge supporter of radical feminism.
If that deranged creature gets elected, expect the already ridiculous divorce rate of 50% (or there abouts) skyrocket to 75%+. The whole concept of 'family' will be obliterated.
Frightening....
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Well I believe in equal pay, equal rights, equal speech but when you got groups like N.O.W. basically condeming everything having to do with males then thats where the line is drawn.
Now what am I about to say may shove off some well.. So be it
Ladies, there are many jobs out there that are specific for men and men only.
Right you are MasterWolf.
I don't think women should serve on the front lines in the military.
I also think in most cases, not all but most, women are better at the job of Mothering then Fathers. ;)
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I should also add that the feminists are completely mum when it comes to female circumcision and moose-limb honor killings. The only exception is the author Phylis Chesler, who said she was voting Republican for the first time in her life in the 2000 election.
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I should also add that the feminists are completely mum when it comes to female circumcision and moose-limb honor killings. The only exception is the author Phylis Chesler, who said she was voting Republican for the first time in her life in the 2000 election.
WOW! They REALLY ARE SICK humans
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I should also add that the feminists are completely mum when it comes to female circumcision and moose-limb honor killings. The only exception is the author Phylis Chesler, who said she was voting Republican for the first time in her life in the 2000 election.
They are mum about female circumcision because they are like mussies
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Yes, I feel that G-d gave women more of a mothering/nurturing instict and the men are the protectors, hunters, etc......for the most part....
Well I believe in equal pay, equal rights, equal speech but when you got groups like N.O.W. basically condeming everything having to do with males then thats where the line is drawn.
Now what am I about to say may shove off some well.. So be it
Ladies, there are many jobs out there that are specific for men and men only.
Right you are MasterWolf.
I don't think women should serve on the front lines in the military.
I also think in most cases, not all but most, women are better at the job of Mothering then Fathers. ;)
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Well I believe in equal pay, equal rights, equal speech but when you got groups like N.O.W. basically condeming everything having to do with males then thats where the line is drawn.
Now what am I about to say may shove off some well.. So be it
Ladies, there are many jobs out there that are specific for men and men only.
Right you are MasterWolf.
I don't think women should serve on the front lines in the military.
I also think in most cases, not all but most, women are better at the job of Mothering then Fathers. ;)
Bullcat- even ME? I would do ANYTHING to go and kill and destroy the enemy (In the Military-OK? people? and be a D.S., D.I.).
I think I am suppose to be from some different century or something- I DONT BELONG HERE!!!
Molly Pitcher destroyed the enemy during the Revolutionary War. My BIGGEST dream was to be a US MARINE- and my Nana forbid it. She lived to REGRET this. I am WAY to militant- (in a good way) in the real world, in fact, I scare off most men- of course ONLY David knows that I am VERY MUCH a lady, but others do NOT, and THAT is good. Well- maybe Chaim- I did meet him- he told David I was a "sweet lady" BWWAAHHHHHH little does he know. <evil grin> ;)
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Yes, I feel that G-d gave women more of a mothering/nurturing instict and the men are the protectors, hunters, etc......for the most part....
Well I believe in equal pay, equal rights, equal speech but when you got groups like N.O.W. basically condeming everything having to do with males then thats where the line is drawn.
Now what am I about to say may shove off some well.. So be it
Ladies, there are many jobs out there that are specific for men and men only.
Right you are MasterWolf.
I don't think women should serve on the front lines in the military.
I also think in most cases, not all but most, women are better at the job of Mothering then Fathers. ;)
WOW HANNA!!! I ENVY YOU. Maybe I SHOULD convince David to go to Israel- AT LEAST I can be in the I.D.F. I SERIOUSLY think that NO man would want me to NOT be there. I fight like a man. Imagine if this world had no guns- I can throw an 84 MPH HARBALL- imagine THAT slamming into the enemy face. ::) Gd made me different than most women in this way- I LITERALLY have ZERO fear. I should, but I dont. For this reason, men rally behind me a LOT in my life, and NOT in a 'bad' way. In paltalk, I fight these she-beasts, and the men im me CONSTANTLY if they are way out of hand. The muZ men HATE my gutts, and COWER when I mock them- I DO threaten them, BTW. I know this is wrong- but they can...and I cant- I DONT THINK SO.
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I don't have an issue with women's lib... but thats completely different than feminism.
Women's lib wanted equal opportunity...
feminism wants to blur the line between genders. (except when it comes to gender affirmative action)
Women's lib wanted women to have the right to vote, get an education, work in any field they chose.
Feminists want uni-sexual bathrooms, institutional indoctrination of fatherless families, homosexuality, transgenderism.
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I don't oppose women being in the military.
I just don't think they should be on the front lines.
I work in a profession dominated by women.
I work with a unit full of women.
I couldn't see us on the front lines in a war, for a multitude of reasons, and we save lives every day.
Women are intelligent and strong - yes!
We can do anything but be men ;)
Paulette - I have no doubt that you could fight on the front lines. :) You have convinced me that you have the spirit of a great warrior.
I'm sorry if I have offended you in anyway.
Hanna - I have great respect for women who have served in the military.
I just don't think men and women are interchangeable. In my opinion, but not in every case, men are the stronger sex.
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i think the a good point about the female "liberation" is that a woman voiced that females have a choice to be what they want to be and that they don't have to be just one thing...
and that they aren't property.
When they start supporting all women I might understand your statement.
What if you choose to do just one thing?
What if you choose family over career?
Why are those women held in such disdain by the feminist?
Ok, it seems i need to make my point clarified because i sound like someone who is pro-feminist movement. I am NOT pro-woman's "liberation". If anything, I'm just as against it as most people on this forum. It has done more harm than good. All of the harm that it has done has been described by numerous posts on this subject. However, there is one good that has come out of it. Women are no longer looked as being beneath men. Yes, we are comparing apples and oranges...but both are still fruit equally healthy. Women are something remarkable and very special people. Face it, men could never be able to live without them. If there is anything the feminist movement has indicated to me is exactly this thought. Oddly enough, Judaism also lifts women to this level..so really it's Judaism and not the American femenist "liberation" movement.
Now, some will fight to the death that women belong in the home to raise the family...and men ought to be out there bringing home the bacon, so to speak. And it makes sense..we won't have Juanita teaching little Johnny Espanol before he can speak English or Hebrew. However, I'm not sure if I can subscribe to that point of view 100%. Maybe i can subscribe to it 85%...but not 100%. It is hard for a mother to to raise children by herself even if she were a home-maker and "domesticated". This is what I have first hand observed...So Juanita or Grandmama might be needed to help around the house..and if not them two...Daddy-o who works 40 hours a week to bring home the bacon....
let me tell you something, guys. Gd willing, when I"m married, may Gd give me the strength...I will help my wife in the kitchen,help her clean, help her with the kids even if it is me bringing home the bacon. And likewise...if she needs to strengthen her mind and make something of herself and work in an office to bring some bacon, that's fine with me..
Don't think it is the Jewish way...but it is what it is...that's how i was raised and it worked for me...and i didn't get a Juanita..I got Grandma, Aunty, cousins, Hebrew school, After school activities, sports, and summer school.
The women's lib movement had gotten way too radical and has done the opposite crazy affect. Political correctness has done the same thing. I dont' want to change the subject of this thread, but political correctness really should be used in times when it is necessary to be polite to promote dialogue and understanding...but that has become a terrible animal in itself and has been misused in the worst double standards possible. The militant female lib movements has done exactly the same thing..and on that note, I agree with most of you here.
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In my opinion, I see G-d's chosen people treating women the best....
For instance...
Women in the IDF train the men for combat, also, they lead and learn how to do everything there ....
Deborah was a judge over Israel, she was a woman....
Of course, we don't like the evil women, like Queen Jezabel and her hubby Ahab....
Not a feminist here....yes, women should be able to raise their children without being condemned for wanting to do so (I have been ostracized and condemned for doing so).....
I was in the US military, the men in the US military (well some to alot of them) DON'T want women in the military, I wish I could have been in the IDF..... :'(
Women in the IDF seem to get treated with respect, etc. No women should not be firing on the front lines, unless, of course all the men are dead or something...but if you notice, the women in the IDF all know how to shoot and carry their weapons also and can kill someone if needed.... O0
ALSO: Israel needs all it's people to help defend it if need be.....so they need the women, also!!! How do you think they have survived all these years, too?
Sometimes, us women have to take on the roles of the men (when the men have abandoned us) but we wish it did not have to always be that way... :'( but we will do it if we HAVE to..... :::D
Ecclesiasties says that there is a time and a place for everything under the sun, I would imagine that also refers to the women and their roles....they have their times to raise their kids, defend their homes and country if need be, and even kill if they have to.....
Just because we are women, doesn't mean we are incompetent or stupid or have no brains (well, sometimes I wonder if I do have a whole brain, but Im trying to be funny then).
The women I happen to have known over the years, they just want to be allowed to have an opinion, and thoughts and be listened to and not kicked, punched, slapped or thrown across the room......to be treated with honor and respect and like human beings.
I perceive that perhaps ONE of the reasons the women's lib movement kind of took on a mind of it's own is because of abuse issues in the past with women......amongst other things, but this is a big one.
Hopefully things will balance out correctly. Its hard to know even what to do any more, rofl... :::D
I just say follow your hearts.
Treat each other with respect.
Love the L-rd your G-d with all your heart, with all your mind and with all your soul, and love your neighbor as yourself, (which also means your wives, mothers, sisters and girlfriends and co-workers).....
:)
i like yoru post.
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i think the a good point about the female "liberation" is that a woman voiced that females have a choice to be what they want to be and that they don't have to be just one thing...
and that they aren't property.
When they start supporting all women I might understand your statement.
What if you choose to do just one thing?
What if you choose family over career?
Why are those women held in such disdain by the feminist?
Ok, it seems i need to make my point clarified because i sound like someone who is pro-feminist movement. I am NOT pro-woman's "liberation". If anything, I'm just as against it as most people on this forum. It has done more harm than good. All of the harm that it has done has been described by numerous posts on this subject. However, there is one good that has come out of it. Women are no longer looked as being beneath men. Yes, we are comparing apples and oranges...but both are still fruit equally healthy. Women are something remarkable and very special people. Face it, men could never be able to live without them. If there is anything the feminist movement has indicated to me is exactly this thought. Oddly enough, Judaism also lifts women to this level..so really it's Judaism and not the American femenist "liberation" movement.
Now, some will fight to the death that women belong in the home to raise the family...and men ought to be out there bringing home the bacon, so to speak. And it makes sense..we won't have Juanita teaching little Johnny Espanol before he can speak English or Hebrew. However, I'm not sure if I can subscribe to that point of view 100%. Maybe i can subscribe to it 85%...but not 100%. It is hard for a mother to to raise children by herself even if she were a home-maker and "domesticated". This is what I have first hand observed...So Juanita or Grandmama might be needed to help around the house..and if not them two...Daddy-o who works 40 hours a week to bring home the bacon....
let me tell you something, guys. Gd willing, when I"m married, may Gd give me the strength...I will help my wife in the kitchen,help her clean, help her with the kids even if it is me bringing home the bacon. And likewise...if she needs to strengthen her mind and make something of herself and work in an office to bring some bacon, that's fine with me..
Don't think it is the Jewish way...but it is what it is...that's how i was raised and it worked for me...and i didn't get a Juanita..I got Grandma, Aunty, cousins, Hebrew school, After school activities, sports, and summer school.
The women's lib movement had gotten way too radical and has done the opposite crazy affect. Political correctness has done the same thing. I dont' want to change the subject of this thread, but political correctness really should be used in times when it is necessary to be polite to promote dialogue and understanding...but that has become a terrible animal in itself and has been misused in the worst double standards possible. The militant female lib movements has done exactly the same thing..and on that note, I agree with most of you here.
O0 Thanks for clarifying. I agree with what you said in this post. The woman you choose to marry will be a lucky one.
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Thankyou :) It's from my heart......
In my opinion, I see G-d's chosen people treating women the best....
For instance...
Women in the IDF train the men for combat, also, they lead and learn how to do everything there ....
Deborah was a judge over Israel, she was a woman....
Of course, we don't like the evil women, like Queen Jezabel and her hubby Ahab....
Not a feminist here....yes, women should be able to raise their children without being condemned for wanting to do so (I have been ostracized and condemned for doing so).....
I was in the US military, the men in the US military (well some to alot of them) DON'T want women in the military, I wish I could have been in the IDF..... :'(
Women in the IDF seem to get treated with respect, etc. No women should not be firing on the front lines, unless, of course all the men are dead or something...but if you notice, the women in the IDF all know how to shoot and carry their weapons also and can kill someone if needed.... O0
ALSO: Israel needs all it's people to help defend it if need be.....so they need the women, also!!! How do you think they have survived all these years, too?
Sometimes, us women have to take on the roles of the men (when the men have abandoned us) but we wish it did not have to always be that way... :'( but we will do it if we HAVE to..... :::D
Ecclesiasties says that there is a time and a place for everything under the sun, I would imagine that also refers to the women and their roles....they have their times to raise their kids, defend their homes and country if need be, and even kill if they have to.....
Just because we are women, doesn't mean we are incompetent or stupid or have no brains (well, sometimes I wonder if I do have a whole brain, but Im trying to be funny then).
The women I happen to have known over the years, they just want to be allowed to have an opinion, and thoughts and be listened to and not kicked, punched, slapped or thrown across the room......to be treated with honor and respect and like human beings.
I perceive that perhaps ONE of the reasons the women's lib movement kind of took on a mind of it's own is because of abuse issues in the past with women......amongst other things, but this is a big one.
Hopefully things will balance out correctly. Its hard to know even what to do any more, rofl... :::D
I just say follow your hearts.
Treat each other with respect.
Love the L-rd your G-d with all your heart, with all your mind and with all your soul, and love your neighbor as yourself, (which also means your wives, mothers, sisters and girlfriends and co-workers).....
:)
i like yoru post.
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i think the a good point about the female "liberation" is that a woman voiced that females have a choice to be what they want to be and that they don't have to be just one thing...
and that they aren't property.
Women have never been 'property'. At least not in the West.
You sound like a victim of the modern public school system, Dan.
No, women, even till this day, are treated like property
And women have made themselves into property..just look at MTV and such...My point was that the women's lib movement (not being perfect) attempted to give women that ability to think for themselves rather than males to think for them and also to be seen as property.
And by all means...that's the only good thing it might have done..
the rest was a lot worse because now a "liberated" woman feels it's ok for her to be a slut and sleep around and do the things she does..because she's "liberated"...and she has a choice to be with a man or without a man...
So yes, the liberated movmeent did terribly as well...
I'm saying one good thing it might have done...one of the points was that it gave women that choice if they wanted to pursue a career or stay at home..or to disallow some evils of men that would rule over her...yes, there were men in the west that didnt' treat women with any respect...
and look how far it has gotten us...More decent men fear women and don't push themselves on women..and it is because of the women's lib movement. Women are more empowered to say, "No."
that's one positive thing that iw oudl say came out of it.
But a lot of negatives came as well..actually more negatives...These negatives need to be undone. And the positives reinforced.
I agree....... O0 O0 O0
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And equality of opportunity is not enough for them. Like their fellow leftists, they demand equality of outcome.
Herein lies a large part of the problem. I want equality of opportunity. Many of the most lucrative jobs have been and still are male-dominated professions. Single women or even women who need to work to help support their families need to be able to have access to these kinds of very lucrative positions, rather than being relegated to only lower paid work that they were traditionally assigned to.
That doesn't, of course, mean they should get a job that they're not qualfied for or that they're less qualified for than a man. I hate affirmative action in all its forms.
So for example if there are only male firefighters, it's because of discrimination against women by the evil, patriarchal white man. Feminists ignore the fact that most women weigh less than men, have less lean muscle mass than men, and therefore are unable to carry a 200 lb. man out of a burning building. Feminists want the standards lowered so there can be female firefighters, and never mind that they won't be able to do with job as well as the men. Never mind that people in burning buildings would die if the women can't carry them out, they want women firefighters, or else!
I'd say that females should be able to apply to be firefighters, and if they CAN carry a 200 lb. object a certain distance then they should not face discrimination simply based on gender. You would be correct that MOST applicants who would qualify would be men however, and if everything was done fairly, then most of the firefighters would be men, but I don't think a woman who is capable of that feat should be barred from that type of employment, as long as she's fully qualified.
I do want to be free to pursue what I wish, but I don't like to see men denigrated or spoken badly about either. Both men and women should receive respect, and neither should be cheated. I also don't like how women think that "their body" includes someone else's body growing inside them. They don't have the right to murder an innocent baby!
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I don't oppose women being in the military.
I just don't think they should be on the front lines.
I work in a profession dominated by women.
I work with a unit full of women.
I couldn't see us on the front lines in a war, for a multitude of reasons, and we save lives every day.
Women are intelligent and strong - yes!
We can do anything but be men ;)
Paulette - I have no doubt that you could fight on the front lines. :) You have convinced me that you have the spirit of a great warrior.
I'm sorry if I have offended you in anyway.
Hanna - I have great respect for women who have served in the military.
I just don't think men and women are interchangeable. In my opinion, but not in every case, men are the stronger sex.
Are you kidding Bullcat! HHAHAHAHA! NAH you dont offend me! NOT AT ALL! I get offended by people that are forceful indoctrinators- OF ANY TYPE. These militant ugly fe-beasts ALWAYS TRY to get me to "join them" Hell NO. Can you IMAGINE a woman like me, being WITH THEM?? THAT would be a nitemare for men. Nope- nuh uh- I AM WITH men 100%. David is as "Man" as any other man out there- and I fully intend to make SURE that he is ALWAYS respected as a man, by ME.
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Well I believe in equal pay, equal rights, equal speech but when you got groups like N.O.W. basically condeming everything having to do with males then thats where the line is drawn.
Now what am I about to say may shove off some well.. So be it
Ladies, there are many jobs out there that are specific for men and men only.
Right you are MasterWolf.
I don't think women should serve on the front lines in the military.
I also think in most cases, not all but most, women are better at the job of Mothering then Fathers. ;)
Bullcat- even ME? I would do ANYTHING to go and kill and destroy the enemy (In the Military-OK? people? and be a D.S., D.I.).
I think I am suppose to be from some different century or something- I DONT BELONG HERE!!!
Molly Pitcher destroyed the enemy during the Revolutionary War. My BIGGEST dream was to be a US MARINE- and my Nana forbid it. She lived to REGRET this. I am WAY to militant- (in a good way) in the real world, in fact, I scare off most men- of course ONLY David knows that I am VERY MUCH a lady, but others do NOT, and THAT is good. Well- maybe Chaim- I did meet him- he told David I was a "sweet lady" BWWAAHHHHHH little does he know. <evil grin> ;)
There have been women on the front lines in very bloody, close combat wars, like the Civil War (The War of Northern Aggression), where women fought on both sides. They killed the enemy with close range weapons and fought right alongside the men.
I do agree that most women would probably be better in other roles, but again for me it's all about qualifications. In segregated units, women should be able to do this if they're truly capable of it both physically and mentally. Some women are naturally more aggressive. This isn't necessarily un-feminine, it's the way they were born. Some women are softer and less aggressive, this is the way they were born.
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In segregated units, women should be able to do this if they're truly capable of it both physically and mentally
Women are NOT at all NATURALLY physically more stronger than men. They are just not- and should just deal with it. This is precisely WHY they are not allowed on the front lines of combat in most Militarys. Women ARE VERY GOOD at psy ops though, but women have used that gift to manipulate, instead of for righteous reasons.
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There have been women on the front lines in very bloody, close combat wars, like the Civil War (The War of Northern Aggression), where women fought on both sides. They killed the enemy with close range weapons and fought right alongside the men.
Nonsense.
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In segregated units, women should be able to do this if they're truly capable of it both physically and mentally
Women are NOT at all NATURALLY physically more stronger than men. They are just not- and should just deal with it. This is precisely WHY they are not allowed on the front lines of combat in most Militarys. Women ARE VERY GOOD at psy ops though, but women have used that gift to manipulate, instead of for righteous reasons.
On the whole, I'd agree with you. That's why I said that women should only be allowed to be on the front lines IF they are qualified to do so. Some women are. Not all, not even most women, but some women. I don't believe in equality of outcome. The overwhelming majority of direct combat troops SHOULD be men, not women, because they're in general more qualified, but there are some women who are also very good at that sort of thing. They may be few and far between, but they exist.
Basically I don't believe anyone should be barred from something, or allowed into something, because of what's between their legs. It should be based on what they can (or can't) accomplish.
Most women just aren't cut out to be on the front line, but for those who are truly motivated AND capable, they would have my full support.
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There have been women on the front lines in very bloody, close combat wars, like the Civil War (The War of Northern Aggression), where women fought on both sides. They killed the enemy with close range weapons and fought right alongside the men.
Nonsense.
(The War of Northern Aggression) Please don't be insulted by what I am about to say but every time I hear this expression I bust out laughing. Why do southerners still use this term and could anyone please explain it to me so I could take it more seriously.
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There have been women on the front lines in very bloody, close combat wars, like the Civil War (The War of Northern Aggression), where women fought on both sides. They killed the enemy with close range weapons and fought right alongside the men.
Nonsense.
Clad in Uniform
Women Soldiers of the Civil War
By
Wendy A. King
An adaptation of the original booklet [© 1992]
By the author
For the 32nd Virginia Inf. Co. H reenactment group
Internet Homepage,
THE WOMAN SOLDIER
(Remember Me)
Once I stood in ranks of Blue.
Once I stood in ranks of Gray.
Fighting for a cause so true
Wondering - Who would remember me today?
Disguised as man; filled with alarm.
An enemy's bullet could yet slay
This woman's life - or cause me harm.
Who would remember me today?
The missiles, they whistle through the air.
A "rebel yell" from those in gray.
The victor's shout, the loser's despair.
Who would remember me today?
A last volley sent from hidden lines.
Oh sudden shock! Life fades away.
Crimson springs from this body mine.
Pray - Who would remember me today?
Please lay me in a grave, unmarked
And place me where my comrades lay.
Remember this battle with a park
And please, remember me today.
Some were found out and discharged; some were found out, but allowed to remain; and some served their enlistment during the war completely undiscovered. Albert Cashier, born Irene Hodgers in Ireland, spent the entire war in the guise of a man, and continued in that disguise almost until her dying day in 1915.
Information about these unique women is extremely scarce. A woman enlisting in either army disguised herself as a man by cutting her hair short, wearing men's clothing, binding her chest, and taking a man's name. She did her best to act like a man so as not to draw attention to herself or her sex. Those who were successful in their disguise and died in combat were known only by their male identity. Most of their real names are lost to history.
http://www.geocities.com/reenactor.geo/cladinuniform.htm
The site also has a list of some of their names.
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There have been women on the front lines in very bloody, close combat wars, like the Civil War (The War of Northern Aggression), where women fought on both sides. They killed the enemy with close range weapons and fought right alongside the men.
Nonsense.
(The War of Northern Aggression) Please don't be insulted by what I am about to say but every time I hear this expression I bust out laughing. Why do southerners still use this term and could anyone please explain it to me so I could take it more seriously.
There was nothing civil about the "Civil War". The North wrote most of the history that schoolchildren are taught today, to demonize the south.
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There have been women on the front lines in very bloody, close combat wars, like the Civil War (The War of Northern Aggression), where women fought on both sides. They killed the enemy with close range weapons and fought right alongside the men.
Nonsense.
(The War of Northern Aggression) Please don't be insulted by what I am about to say but every time I hear this expression I bust out laughing. Why do southerners still use this term and could anyone please explain it to me so I could take it more seriously.
There was nothing civil about the "Civil War". The North wrote most of the history that schoolchildren are taught today, to demonize the south.
Yeah but what do people in the south say "The South Shall Rise Again"
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I dont think Women should be on the front line during War I dont know why I feel this way but to me it just seems wrong
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There have been women on the front lines in very bloody, close combat wars, like the Civil War (The War of Northern Aggression), where women fought on both sides. They killed the enemy with close range weapons and fought right alongside the men.
Nonsense.
(The War of Northern Aggression) Please don't be insulted by what I am about to say but every time I hear this expression I bust out laughing. Why do southerners still use this term and could anyone please explain it to me so I could take it more seriously.
There was nothing civil about the "Civil War". The North wrote most of the history that schoolchildren are taught today, to demonize the south.
Yeah but what do people in the south say "The South Shall Rise Again"
All we can really do at this point is try to keep our culture alive and enrich the United States. Southern and Midwestern areas are the places where there are still some moral people in large numbers. The Northeast and the West Coast are just about gone to the liberals.
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I dont think Women should be on the front line during War I dont know why I feel this way but to me it just seems wrong
Well if a woman has children I don't think she should fight in a war. I do believe in some traditional ways, such as that if a woman has children her role is to raise them, and sacrifice for them as much as possible until they're self-sufficient or at least adults. Putting anything else before her children (if she has them) is selfish.
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I dont think Women should be on the front line during War I dont know why I feel this way but to me it just seems wrong
Well if a woman has children I don't think she should fight in a war. I do believe in some traditional ways, such as that if a woman has children her role is to raise them, and sacrifice for them as much as possible until they're self-sufficient or at least adults. Putting anything else before her children (if she has them) is selfish.
Yeah but a couple of months ago they had a Mother Son join the Army they both were called for active duty at the same time
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In segregated units, women should be able to do this if they're truly capable of it both physically and mentally
Women are NOT at all NATURALLY physically more stronger than men. They are just not- and should just deal with it. This is precisely WHY they are not allowed on the front lines of combat in most Militarys. Women ARE VERY GOOD at psy ops though, but women have used that gift to manipulate, instead of for righteous reasons.
On the whole, I'd agree with you. That's why I said that women should only be allowed to be on the front lines IF they are qualified to do so. Some women are. Not all, not even most women, but some women. I don't believe in equality of outcome. The overwhelming majority of direct combat troops SHOULD be men, not women, because they're in general more qualified, but there are some women who are also very good at that sort of thing. They may be few and far between, but they exist.
Basically I don't believe anyone should be barred from something, or allowed into something, because of what's between their legs. It should be based on what they can (or can't) accomplish.
Most women just aren't cut out to be on the front line, but for those who are truly motivated AND capable, they would have my full support.
It is not a question of being more qualified. Women are physically INCAPABLE of carrying out the task that men do physically. What women are GOOD at- is precisely what you stated- "Motivators" They CAN fly helicopters. ALSO- once a month- regardless- sanitation purposes as well, thats the bottom line., fighter pilots, mechanics and truck drivers.
In this regard, it IS what is in between their legs that keeps them out. The US MARINES will not have any women in combat, ever- neither will the US ARMY. They are physically NOT fit.
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It is not a question of being more qualified. Women are physically INCAPABLE of carrying out the task that men do physically. What women are GOOD at- is precisely what you stated- "Motivators" In this regard, it IS what is in between their legs that keeps them out. The US MARINES will not have any women in combat, ever- neither will the US ARMY. They are physically NOT fit.
I agree that the overwhelming majority of women will never be physically fit or qualified for such a job. However, I think the door should be left open for someone who is. There may be one in a million who can do those things.
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no offense, but in my opinion, it is very inappropriate for any woman to be in the front lines of any kind of war.
That's not to say that women should not participate in a fighting army during wartime..but behind the lines in order to protect the men in the front lines..not vice versa.
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It is not a question of being more qualified. Women are physically INCAPABLE of carrying out the task that men do physically. What women are GOOD at- is precisely what you stated- "Motivators" In this regard, it IS what is in between their legs that keeps them out. The US MARINES will not have any women in combat, ever- neither will the US ARMY. They are physically NOT fit.
I agree that the overwhelming majority of women will never be physically fit or qualified for such a job. However, I think the door should be left open for someone who is. There may be one in a million who can do those things.
They fight as a TEAM. It is NOT about "individuality" A woman cannot physically be part of combat infantry. They CAN Fly helicopters, and be fighter pilots- however- these are very SMART women. They tend to also pull the female card out quite a bit- "I dont like your swearing farting" bla bla bla.
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no offense, but in my opinion, it is very inappropriate for any woman to be in the front lines of any kind of war.
That's not to say that women should not participate in a fighting army during wartime..but behind the lines in order to protect the men in the front lines..not vice versa.
I'm not offended.
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It is not a question of being more qualified. Women are physically INCAPABLE of carrying out the task that men do physically. What women are GOOD at- is precisely what you stated- "Motivators" In this regard, it IS what is in between their legs that keeps them out. The US MARINES will not have any women in combat, ever- neither will the US ARMY. They are physically NOT fit.
I agree that the overwhelming majority of women will never be physically fit or qualified for such a job. However, I think the door should be left open for someone who is. There may be one in a million who can do those things.
They fight as a TEAM. It is NOT about "individuality" A woman cannot physically be part of combat infantry. They CAN Fly helicopters, and be fighter pilots- however- these are very SMART women. They tend to also pull the female card out quite a bit- "I dont like your swearing farting" bla bla bla.
I see what you mean, that kind of thing (criticizing male, masculine behavior, which is crucial in a war and also to build camaraderie) would not be acceptable.
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I heard a story about Hillary Clinton a while back. Basically, the story goes that she had watched the moon landing on tv and was absolutely thrilled by it, as were most Americans. Like many other young Americans, it inspired her to want to be an astronaut. She apparently contacted NASA and asked what she would have to do to prepare for such a career, and was told quite bluntly that they didn't take women to be astronauts.
This is apparently one of many things that turned her into the evil She-beast that she became. Since then, of course, there have been female astronauts, and they apparently handle it quite well.
She would have done so much better in that job, probably would have been great at it with her aggressive personality, and she wouldn't have been such a destructive force in America.
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It is not a question of being more qualified. Women are physically INCAPABLE of carrying out the task that men do physically. What women are GOOD at- is precisely what you stated- "Motivators" In this regard, it IS what is in between their legs that keeps them out. The US MARINES will not have any women in combat, ever- neither will the US ARMY. They are physically NOT fit.
I agree that the overwhelming majority of women will never be physically fit or qualified for such a job. However, I think the door should be left open for someone who is. There may be one in a million who can do those things.
They fight as a TEAM. It is NOT about "individuality" A woman cannot physically be part of combat infantry. They CAN Fly helicopters, and be fighter pilots- however- these are very SMART women. They tend to also pull the female card out quite a bit- "I dont like your swearing farting" bla bla bla.
I see what you mean, that kind of thing (criticizing male, masculine behavior, which is crucial in a war and also to build camaraderie) would not be acceptable.
They do it regardless. Women are NOT allowed in the US MARINES OR THE ARMY Combat Infantry. It is what it is, it has already been tried, they are just NOT physically CAPABLE. There are OTHER positions- A Fighter Pilot, a Helicopter Pilot- they wont change this rule for 1, 10, 20, 500, not going to happen. It is ALL about strength, and they just do not have it.
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They do it regardless. Women are NOT allowed in the US MARINES OR THE ARMY Combat Infantry. It is what it is, it has already been tried, they are just NOT physically CAPABLE. There are OTHER positions- A Fighter Pilot, a Helicopter Pilot- they wont change this rule for 1, 10, 20, 500, not going to happen. It is ALL about strength, and they just do not have it.
If they don't have it, and can't respect the men, then they definitely don't belong in those units.
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They do it regardless. Women are NOT allowed in the US MARINES OR THE ARMY Combat Infantry. It is what it is, it has already been tried, they are just NOT physically CAPABLE. There are OTHER positions- A Fighter Pilot, a Helicopter Pilot- they wont change this rule for 1, 10, 20, 500, not going to happen. It is ALL about strength, and they just do not have it.
If they don't have it, and can't respect the men, then they definitely don't belong in those units.
The point IS: THEY DONT HAVE IT, which is WHY they wont ever be called up in combat zones. There are exceptions to the rule- they may 'end up' in lines of fire- which some have rcvd the silver medal for.
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It has been proven in studies that women in combat are detrimental to the armed forces. Whereas, they are suited better for other responsibilities and can certainly serve in other functions, it is undeniable fact that women have been proven to be a liability for combat units.
Since the Torah prescribes men to fight in combat only, this is not a suprise to me at all that this has proven the Torah correct. I wouldn't expect the Torah to be wrong, chas veshalom.
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While I'm no expert on these issues and I certainly can't DEFINE in a technical way, what is the women's lib movement, vs. what is feminism, what are positives/negatives, what I would say is that the VALUES of these movements have crept into the national psyche in a way that is unhealthy and distorted. A woman is no longer valued as a mother. She is pushed from day one to be a 'career woman' whether it's professor, lawyer, doctor, etc... Being a loving mother for a familiy and children is almost an afterthought. Marriage is put off until 30's?
And there are so many children being raised now with single parents because of the indoctrination that people are expendable, and that a child can be raised with one parent rather than a family unit because afterall, the mother is "STRONG ENOUGH" to do it herself, who needs the man, or if the man gets custody (fat chance), of course who needs the mother, she won't be a real nurturing mother anyway. These values are destructive to a society.
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It is not a question of being more qualified. Women are physically INCAPABLE of carrying out the task that men do physically. What women are GOOD at- is precisely what you stated- "Motivators" In this regard, it IS what is in between their legs that keeps them out. The US MARINES will not have any women in combat, ever- neither will the US ARMY. They are physically NOT fit.
I agree that the overwhelming majority of women will never be physically fit or qualified for such a job. However, I think the door should be left open for someone who is. There may be one in a million who can do those things.
There should be no exception.
We are in a sad state in this country because of leaving the door open.
Making exceptions for the one in a million.
In general - women are not suited to the front lines. That is it period.
Women can be a great distraction to men too.
I think we all know that.
They can almost be competitive in that distraction(sorry if that is not PC to say). I see it at work.
I think being on the front lines is a place with no room for distraction...unless we want people to die.
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It is not a question of being more qualified. Women are physically INCAPABLE of carrying out the task that men do physically. What women are GOOD at- is precisely what you stated- "Motivators" In this regard, it IS what is in between their legs that keeps them out. The US MARINES will not have any women in combat, ever- neither will the US ARMY. They are physically NOT fit.
I agree that the overwhelming majority of women will never be physically fit or qualified for such a job. However, I think the door should be left open for someone who is. There may be one in a million who can do those things.
There should be no exception.
We are in a sad state in this country because of leaving the door open.
Making exceptions for the one in a million.
In general - women are not suited to the front lines. That is it period.
Women can be a great distraction to men too.
I think we all know that.
They can almost be competitive in that distraction(sorry if that is not PC to say). I see it at work.
I think being on the front lines is a place with no room for distraction...unless we want people to die.
They will not EVER make an exception for this rule. It is what it is- NO WOMEN ARE EVER ENLISTED AS COMBAT INFANTRY- that is ALL there is.
Why dont we just get out of the way- and let the women have the US Military too- go ahead. They WANT EVERYTHING that men can do and THEY CANT. Women are NOT NOT NOT equal in strength.
Bullcat- they ARE a distraction, I hear this all the time, from my step brother. A SGT MJR.