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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Chaim Ben Pesach on July 15, 2008, 06:02:32 AM
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בס''ד
I have had to delete several threads this morning. This is going to stop one way or another. People who cannot control themselves will be banned. I don't the time or the patience for this nonsense.
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thank you... i never was going to ever do anything like this here... but neither was i going to just stand idly by and take all this abuse... it was always the rule in school that both parties to a fight got expelled or suspended... so if you are going to ban someone... it has to be all of us... especially since they started it all... i just responded in kind out of self-defense... as shimshon (samson) said when the b'nai yehudah were upset at him for provoking the plishtim (the philistines) who then ruled over and were oppressing am yisroel... samson rejoined... "as they have done to me... so have i done back to them..." this is... rav meir says... the proper response to terrorism... and it is the right approach to verbal terrorism as well... as long as they cease and desist... i will withhold fire... if they start in again...i will now first wait to see if they really are banned as you said they would be... if not... i will resume my blasting away back at them... they are just shocked and outraged that i dared to slug it out with them.. nik. out...
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thank you... i never was going to ever do anything like this here... but neither was i going to just stand idly by and take all this abuse... it was always the rule in school that both parties to a fight got expelled or suspended... so if you are going to ban someone... it has to be all of us... especially since they started it all... i just responded in kind out of self-defense... as shimshon (samson) said when the b'nai yehudah were upset at him for provoking the plishtim (the philistines) who then ruled over and were oppressing am yisroel... samson rejoined... "as they have done to me... so have i done back to them..." this is... rav meir says... the proper response to terrorism... and it is the right approach to verbal terrorism as well... as long as they cease and desist... i will withhold fire... if they start in again...i will now first wait to see if they really are banned as you said they would be... if not... i will resume my blasting away back at them... they are just shocked and outraged that i dared to slug it out with them.. nik. out...
You'll just have to simply not fight with them. You can still talk to them, just don't fight with them. Real easy.
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I find that most people that attack other people online (forums, email) are like people that make threatening phone calls. They are for the most part non-confrontational, they are not the type to get into it with you face-to-face. That's why they hide behind a computer.
I'm sure if you met them in person they would be embarrassed by there online comments.
Classic cowardice.
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We need to all get together for a forum BBQ (can be Kosher) and then smoke a few targets at the firing range. Will make for a great team building event. I will host it at my place if everyone will come to North Georgia. O0
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I find that most people that attack other people online (forums, email) are like people that make threatening phone calls. They are for the most part non-confrontational, they are not the type to get into it with you face-to-face. That's why they hide behind a computer.
I'm sure if you met them in person they would be embarrassed by there online comments.
Classic cowardice.
Absolutely. Usually, people who "attack" others online have on extra small underwear.
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nik i am sincerely sorry for the personal attacks
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thank you all for these sentiments... but i'm a big boy now and i can more than take care of myself... what was so revealing was how they all wilted and folded up under the barrage of my return fire... when they tasted a little of their own lead they didn't like it none to much... and went running for the cover of the administration... children act this way not grown adults... i got downright nasty with them and i think it really stung because they just assumed that they would have the entire playing field left to themselves... boy did they have a rude awakening!!!! that's what got them so upset and angry not the barbs which they've traded with others here over the years... past and present and future too i'm sure given their track record... but that i "a rabbi" (supposedly... since the jury's still out on that one because of my language... tch... tch... "naughty... naughty")... but that i should also do so... well... it just shook 'em up but real good... anyway... happy hunting to all of you out there in jtf-land... nik. out...
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I find that most people that attack other people online (forums, email) are like people that make threatening phone calls. They are for the most part non-confrontational, they are not the type to get into it with you face-to-face. That's why they hide behind a computer.
I'm sure if you met them in person they would be embarrassed by there online comments.
Classic cowardice.
Precisely.
The same is true with death threats. People who make death threats are no different from daydreaming schoolchildren.
People who are serious don't threaten, they simply act.
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Who attacked the infallible Nic, anyhow?
Oops. My sarcastic use of the word 'infallible' might get me in trouble.
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no one should insult anyone for most of their considered opinions or for the bringing out of factual truth... i have for awhile here even before this little spate have seen and heard things flung at me and at others without any repercussions... so this little house-cleaning venture was long overdue here... i'm sorry for your pain... now you see the way to get it to stop... dish it right back at 'em... return the favor... the israeli gov't. should only take a lesson here from our experience in the dealing with the vile scum and refuse of the pa, ham-as and hizb. et al... sigh... halevai... nik.out...
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Agree 100%. And some of the 'boys' on this thread- need to MAN UP. To air a mans PERSONAL life, is the lowest form of any so called 'argument'.
Fine and I agree, but I hate to say, because of this- I really have ZERO trust, and probably never will. HONOR, and LOYALTY are the Girl Scout Rules, wich I have lived by, since 10 yrs old. And Nik- I just wish I would have been STRONGER, and REALLY fought for you, (I am sorry) but this would have gotten SO UGLY, b/c I have a way with words, that is NOT GOOD. (((((Nik))))) Ty Chaim.
GBU MASSUH. And ty to the new nice young man "Moman" is that his name?
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thanks paulette... it all backfired on them so everything's fine... instead of just me being banned they almost were too... i guess the rule here in the future is "trust but verify..." no one here seems to be who they portray themselves to be... sad... nik. out...
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scrib... no one's infallible... save for G-d... well... and perhaps the pope... (i wonder... will i get banned for that bit of sarcasm?)... but certainly not me as my quote at the bottom clearly demonstrates... which also clearly shows that i attest to my own flaws... nik. out...
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I agree that personal attacks are a waste of time. But what Massuh said was over the line on UNFORGIVABLE. Telling people to Die... over and over again. Telling people that their mother should have aborted them is ridiculous.. SOMETHING SHOULD BE DONE.
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I don't want you to be banned Nik.
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You are right.
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I agree that personal attacks are a waste of time. But what Massuh said was over the line on UNFORGIVABLE. Telling people to Die... over and over again. Telling people that their mother should have aborted them is ridiculous.. SOMETHING SHOULD BE DONE.
NO Briann- UNLESS you did ABSOLUTELY NOTHING and were INNOCENT, (which you were not either) you cant be calling for peoples bans. And BTW, this is the INTERNET- words, just words, like Massuh used were only that- just words.
To ban Massuh would be RIDICULOUS, many of these long time JTFers saying that he is BRILLIANT. Massuh gone would be a GRAVE LOSS. I SINCERELY hope this does NOT happen again, b/c if it does I will 'cyber-punch' like a maniac.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=LrOawFUdFfU
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I have to agree with briann. Even if we disagree with each other, there has to be a certain level of mutual respect. How can we faithfully convince people to join our cause when we have linguistic savagery on the forum?
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Good Morning,
I am very happy that it seems we have worked out this problem. It has been weighing on my conscience all this morning {Along with the general weighty matters of the day}. It is not too hard to think before you act {or is it?}.
Thanks to everyone we have survived our conflict. Let us be as resourceful and strong against the real opponents.
muman613
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over the top or under the bottom... people here should learn how to be civil with and toward each other and discuss the issues and only the issues themselves as if no name were attached to any post... and debate them on-point... period... leave the character-assassinations and smear tactics for the real lowlives out there... if you can't do that... you shouldn't even be here... and i'm sure you can show yourself out... but don't let the door hit you as it slams shut behind you... nik. out...
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Good Morning,
I am very happy that it seems we have worked out this problem. It has been weighing on my conscience all this morning {Along with the general weighty matters of the day}. It is not too hard to think before you act {or is it?}.
Thanks to everyone we have survived our conflict. Let us be as resourceful and strong against the real opponents.
muman613
muman-
YOU showed that you are CLEARLY the MOST righteous person on THIS forum, I read your posting, and I KNEW that HaShem was WITH you. Thank you so much. http://youtube.com/watch?v=9JTmoJXcpyA&feature=related The BEST rendition ever. ((((((((muman)))))))) B"H.
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I agree that personal attacks are a waste of time. But what Massuh said was over the line on UNFORGIVABLE. Telling people to Die... over and over again. Telling people that their mother should have aborted them is ridiculous.. SOMETHING SHOULD BE DONE.
NO Briann- UNLESS you did ABSOLUTELY NOTHING and were INNOCENT, (which you were not either) you cant be calling for peoples bans. And BTW, this is the INTERNET- words, just words, like Massuh used were only that- just words.
To ban Massuh would be RIDICULOUS, many of these long time JTFers saying that he is BRILLIANT. Massuh gone would be a GRAVE LOSS. I SINCERELY hope this does NOT happen again, b/c if it does I will 'cyber-punch' like a maniac.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=LrOawFUdFfU
This is based upon what He said TO OTHER PEOPLE... NOT TO ME.
Example:
C.F.:" "Oh yeah, like that's a big difference."
IT IS A BIG DIFFERENCE YOU FILTHY PIECE OF SH*T.
YOU SHOULD HAVE BEEN BANNED FROM THE FORUM A LONG, LONG TIME AGO.
YOU'RE WORSE THAN CANCER AND YOUR MOTHER SHOULD HAVE ABORTED YOU.
Do you think this is acceptable Paullette??? PLEASE TELL ME YOU DON'T THINK THIS IS ACCEPTABLE????
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nik i am sincerely sorry for the personal attacks
I am also going to follow suit and apologize to nik for making fun of him in public. Whether I'm forgiven or not is not an issue. I could have handled myself in a better way...and to all here who witnessed my rants, I want to apologize to you.
As far my catholic friends on the forum...I'm still on your side...
And i still disagree with your conclusions, nik.
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dan... apology accepted... i'm sorry for retaliating... (but i'll do it again if anyone makes me)... briann, dwi, masterwolf, amer.hero... your guys' turn... nik. out...
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wait... muslimslayer... did you attack me...? i don't recall... i thought you were apologizing in general for my mistreatment... well if you did and you're now sorry... then apology accepted... nik.
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Well Nik, for the record, I don't agree with your Vatican conspiracy posts, and I'm sorry other members lashed out at you with personal insults.
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I apologize for losing my temper and saying those things about you
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and then smoke a few targets at the firing range.
Whoa, there. For a second I wasn't sure what you were proposing. ;) ;D
(Chaimfan just trying to break the tension in this thread.)
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lisa you have no reason to apologize... and in the spirit of cooperation... i want something looked at by chaim... he never reads his pms i'm told and you sent me i think another address for him... what was it...? or i'll just send you the page and you can forward it to him... nik. out...
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Sure. Go ahead and pm me, Nik.
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I agree that personal attacks are a waste of time. But what Massuh said was over the line on UNFORGIVABLE. Telling people to Die... over and over again. Telling people that their mother should have aborted them is ridiculous.. SOMETHING SHOULD BE DONE.
NO Briann- UNLESS you did ABSOLUTELY NOTHING and were INNOCENT, (which you were not either) you cant be calling for peoples bans. And BTW, this is the INTERNET- words, just words, like Massuh used were only that- just words.
To ban Massuh would be RIDICULOUS, many of these long time JTFers saying that he is BRILLIANT. Massuh gone would be a GRAVE LOSS. I SINCERELY hope this does NOT happen again, b/c if it does I will 'cyber-punch' like a maniac.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=LrOawFUdFfU
This is based upon what He said TO OTHER PEOPLE... NOT TO ME.
Example:
C.F.:" "Oh yeah, like that's a big difference."
IT IS A BIG DIFFERENCE YOU FILTHY PIECE OF SH*T.
YOU SHOULD HAVE BEEN BANNED FROM THE FORUM A LONG, LONG TIME AGO.
YOU'RE WORSE THAN CANCER AND YOUR MOTHER SHOULD HAVE ABORTED YOU.
Do you think this is acceptable Paullette??? PLEASE TELL ME YOU DON'T THINK THIS IS ACCEPTABLE????
Briann- you really are asking the WRONG lady about this. I am a fighter, and when people get personal ALL BETS ARE OFF.
None of the insults were right, INCLUDING YOU, and you egg people on. You know it.
I LIKE Massuh. I see what you are trying to do, and it will NOT work with me. You just WANT him BANNED. Thats ALL.
IF "IF" there are to be ANY mass movements there will be NONE, by calling for peoples BANS. You may as well FACE IT--- this is NOTHING compared to what will happen after election and inauguration- and then, you would be saying: "Wheres Massuh when I REALLY need him..." When people come and they will say the worst things about us, EVER imaginable. I would DEF. want Massuh covering me, and Scriabin, and Nik so on and so forth.
Take it up with Massuh. Nik is the one who was ALL by himself, having to have his PERSONAL LIFE brought up--- so many PUT Massuh ON THE DEFENSE for Nik.
Nik was just suppose to "take" this crap? And Massuh his 'brother' suppose to just let him get attacked?
Look outside the BOX, and go pm Massuh. It was not about YOU.
HOWEVER- there ARE ways to really let someone have it without going so low, that you have kicked a man- YOU KNOW WHERE.
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I agree that personal attacks are a waste of time. But what Massuh said was over the line on UNFORGIVABLE. Telling people to Die... over and over again. Telling people that their mother should have aborted them is ridiculous.. SOMETHING SHOULD BE DONE.
NO Briann- UNLESS you did ABSOLUTELY NOTHING and were INNOCENT, (which you were not either) you cant be calling for peoples bans. And BTW, this is the INTERNET- words, just words, like Massuh used were only that- just words.
To ban Massuh would be RIDICULOUS, many of these long time JTFers saying that he is BRILLIANT. Massuh gone would be a GRAVE LOSS. I SINCERELY hope this does NOT happen again, b/c if it does I will 'cyber-punch' like a maniac.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=LrOawFUdFfU
This is based upon what He said TO OTHER PEOPLE... NOT TO ME.
Example:
C.F.:" "Oh yeah, like that's a big difference."
IT IS A BIG DIFFERENCE YOU FILTHY PIECE OF SH*T.
YOU SHOULD HAVE BEEN BANNED FROM THE FORUM A LONG, LONG TIME AGO.
YOU'RE WORSE THAN CANCER AND YOUR MOTHER SHOULD HAVE ABORTED YOU.
Do you think this is acceptable Paullette??? PLEASE TELL ME YOU DON'T THINK THIS IS ACCEPTABLE????
Briann- you really are asking the WRONG lady about this. I am a fighter, and when people get personal ALL BETS ARE OFF.
None of the insults were right, INCLUDING YOU, and you egg people on. You know it.
I LIKE Massuh. I see what you are trying to do, and it will NOT work with me. You just WANT him BANNED. Thats ALL.
IF "IF" there are to be ANY mass movements there will be NONE, by calling for peoples BANS. You may as well FACE IT--- this is NOTHING compared to what will happen after election and inauguration- and then, you would be saying: "Wheres Massuh when I REALLY need him..." When people come and they will say the worst things about us, EVER imaginable. I would DEF. want Massuh covering me, and Scriabin, and Nik so on and so forth.
Take it up with Massuh. Nik is the one who was ALL by himself, having to have his PERSONAL LIFE brought up--- so many PUT Massuh ON THE DEFENSE for Nik.
Nik was just suppose to "take" this crap? And Massuh his 'brother' suppose to just let him get attacked?
Look outside the BOX, and go pm Massuh. It was not about YOU.
HOWEVER- there ARE ways to really let someone have it without going so low, that you have kicked a man- YOU KNOW WHERE.
What Massuh said was BEYOND AWFUL AND SICK!! Within 20 minutes I saw him tell 4 separate members to DIE!!! THIS IS UNNACCEPTABLE!!!
HOW CAN YOU NOT SEE THIS???? THis is NOT ACCEPTABLE!!
Someone who is capable of saying such horrific hate should NOT be on this forum.
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lisa you have no reason to apologize... and in the spirit of cooperation... i want something looked at by chaim... he never reads his pms i'm told and you sent me i think another address for him... what was it...? or i'll just send you the page and you can forward it to him... nik. out...
Chaim does check his PMs and responds rapidly.
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i'm mixing up signals bet. something told me about yakutiel then... sorry... n.
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Good :D
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Brian-- now you want to engage me- NOPE. NOT going there. IT IS NOT ACCEPTABLE for MANY MANY Members to ATTACK a person on a PERSONAL matter. Bye now.
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lisa you have no reason to apologize... and in the spirit of cooperation... i want something looked at by chaim... he never reads his pms i'm told and you sent me i think another address for him... what was it...? or i'll just send you the page and you can forward it to him... nik. out...
Chaim does check his PMs and responds rapidly.
I love Chaim, yes I do, but NO, HE DOES NOT check his pm's. Sorry.
Maybe he just likes your name, its a neato name. :D
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Sorry. Back to my hole. :-[
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what was the sorry for and why back to your hole...? did you also defame me...? i think all of the posts are down now from the night of the long knives... and i can't find anything on youfor you to apologize for... nik.
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now i remember you... but you were on my side... weren't you...? no hole for you to back down into then... stay up here in the light and breathe the fresh air... nik. out...
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now i remember you... but you were on my side... weren't you...? no hole for you to back down into then... stay up here in the light and breathe the fresh air... nik. out...
while we are apologizing... sorry about the lithium remark Nik. I saw Dr. Dan's post... and I was just too tempted to add on to it... but it was over the line.
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now i remember you... but you were on my side... weren't you...? no hole for you to back down into then... stay up here in the light and breathe the fresh air... nik. out...
Thanks Nik. I was actually apologizing to Paulette in regards to Chaim checking his PMs.
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now i remember you... but you were on my side... weren't you...? no hole for you to back down into then... stay up here in the light and breathe the fresh air... nik. out...
Thanks Nik. I was actually apologizing to Paulette in regards to Chaim checking his PMs.
AWWWWW!!! You DONT have to apologize to ME!!!! Heck no! Believe me, people have made REAL threats on my life!! REAL ONES, like a gun to my back- no joke- he was "j/k" BUT- he wished he wasnt, I turned so fast, his gun FLEWWWWWWWWWWWWW and I socked him in the face. So- really? What people say here- to ME? has ZERO meaning, in the scheme of things. ((((((((((((Shamgar)))))))))))))) http://youtube.com/watch?v=sogKUx_q7ig Never FORGET IT!
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now i remember you... but you were on my side... weren't you...? no hole for you to back down into then... stay up here in the light and breathe the fresh air... nik. out...
Thanks Nik. I was actually apologizing to Paulette in regards to Chaim checking his PMs.
AWWWWW!!! You DONT have to apologize to ME!!!! Heck no! Believe me, people have made REAL threats on my life!! REAL ONES, like a gun to my back- no joke- he was "j/k" BUT- he wished he wasnt, I turned so fast, his gun FLEWWWWWWWWWWWWW and I socked him in the face. So- really? What people say here- to ME? has ZERO meaning, in the scheme of things. ((((((((((((Shamgar)))))))))))))) http://youtube.com/watch?v=sogKUx_q7ig Never FORGET IT!
Wow!!!! you are a fighter...
Im impressed.
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briann... apology accepted... nik.
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No more personal attacks. That's good. I don't want to see any of our members getting banned.
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All this attacking and the problems have turned JTF into a shambles. I used to read articles and posts that were really impressive and seriously influential. A kind of sparkle has been lost within this forum, yes there are the same motives but they are overshadowed by all this other business.
One minute everybody loves somebody and "Ooo yeah they are so righteous, baruch hashem they joined JTF!" Next minute insults are being thrown around etc
I think a lot more articles and topics should be posted to liven up proper conversation. Perhaps daringly controversial matters, there need be any fighting just debate.
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i don't know if folks here can handle too many more controversial topics of discussion... it is one that i put up her that sparked this whole donnybrook and school-lunchroom food-fight... sorry... but the truth will out... but some people here can't handle it right now... nik. out...
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Controversy sparks thinking and thinking as such that will lead to more ideas and knowledge. It is beneficial and whoever cannot "handle" it, is a baby.
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Nikmatdam you should realize that your posts were an arrogant provocation and could be interpreted as personal insult, and you repeated and recycled the same subject. Personal attacks are not justified but you were not a talith of purity either, Nik.
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Sarah: "whoever cannot "handle" it, is a baby."
I totally agree.
I also believe it a good thing that our forum was reduced to a shambles.
It was long overdue.
It would seem that some here take others' posts or threads as "personal affronts", when the correct thing to do would be to simply ignore them, or to engage the poster with facts countering their statements.
With some posts, it is clearly best to laugh quietly to oneself, and continue on to others.
Lastly, there is no more childish behavior than to find "allies" among other members, for the explicit purpose of public calls for the banishment of another member of long standing.
Not only is this a violation of Torah prohibition against public humiliation, but is in fact the actual cause of division and turmoil.
A questionable or ridiculous post does not in and of itself destroy this forum.
Of course my views do not apply to a common opposition to Nazis or others with a truly nefarious purpose for joing the forum.
If this forum and JTF is to serve only as a "mutual admiration society", then it serves no purpose, and our stated goals and vision will be of no more importance than is a junior high school "slam book".
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Sarah: "whoever cannot "handle" it, is a baby."
I totally agree.
I also believe it a good thing that our forum was reduced to a shambles.
It was long overdue.
It would seem that some here take others' posts or threads as "personal affronts", when the correct thing to do would be to simply ignore them, or to engage the poster with facts countering their statements.
Coming from a member who told 4 members to 'DIE' repeatedly.. this means nothing.
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Sarah: "whoever cannot "handle" it, is a baby."
I totally agree.
I also believe it a good thing that our forum was reduced to a shambles.
It was long overdue.
It would seem that some here take others' posts or threads as "personal affronts", when the correct thing to do would be to simply ignore them, or to engage the poster with facts countering their statements.
With some posts, it is clearly best to laugh quietly to oneself, and continue on to others.
Lastly, there is no more childish behavior than to find "allies" among other members, for the explicit purpose of public calls for the banishment of another member of long standing.
Not only is this a violation of Torah prohibition against public humiliation, but is in fact the actual cause of division and turmoil.
A questionable or ridiculous post does not in and of itself destroy this forum.
Of course my views do not apply to a common opposition to Nazis or others with a truly nefarious purpose for joing the forum.
If this forum and JTF is to serve only as a "mutual admiration society", then it serves no purpose, and our stated goals and vision will be of no more importance than is a junior high school "slam book".
You are very arrogant, confrontational, rude, antisocial and counterproductive.
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Sarah: "whoever cannot "handle" it, is a baby."
I totally agree.
I also believe it a good thing that our forum was reduced to a shambles.
It was long overdue.
It would seem that some here take others' posts or threads as "personal affronts", when the correct thing to do would be to simply ignore them, or to engage the poster with facts countering their statements.
With some posts, it is clearly best to laugh quietly to oneself, and continue on to others.
Lastly, there is no more childish behavior than to find "allies" among other members, for the explicit purpose of public calls for the banishment of another member of long standing.
Not only is this a violation of Torah prohibition against public humiliation, but is in fact the actual cause of division and turmoil.
A questionable or ridiculous post does not in and of itself destroy this forum.
Of course my views do not apply to a common opposition to Nazis or others with a truly nefarious purpose for joing the forum.
If this forum and JTF is to serve only as a "mutual admiration society", then it serves no purpose, and our stated goals and vision will be of no more importance than is a junior high school "slam book".
You are very arrogant, confrontational, rude, antisocial and counterproductive.
That by itself isnt why I think he should be removed from the forum.
He should be removed because he has made horrifically violent statements against the good senior members of the JTF.
What he (Massuh) said was 1000x worse than anything I have ever seen by an active JTF member.
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I'll be honest with you. This embarrasses me. I'm embarrassed by this. You are all adults and this is a religious forum.
Please stop this pettiness. The Torah tells us that we have to control our anger and we are supposed to be kind to one another. This isn't the splinter forum. We are supposed to be working together with unity. Unity is the one thing that can make or break any company, organization, or team. Is the cause or ego more important?
I don't want to see another fight. I'm not going to allow this. May Hashem forgive us all.
-Shlomo
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I agree with Shlomo.
I hate to see all this in-fighting when we really should be working together.
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You are all adults
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you can't really assume that!
but even children should know better
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Allies!! O0
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well zel... i know in my heart i was not trying to provoke but attempting to educate toward, awaken to and warn of serious danger from what should have been a well-known source of usual suspects by all of us here by now but unfortunately is no longer so... that was and still is my one and only... single, solitary goal... if my intention had been only an arrogant flaunting of personal weaknesses and the exploitation of sore spots of people... i would not have so easily forgiven and forgotten the abuse i received... i truly am only in it for the cause i serve and not for personal accolades, gain or kavod... and cert. i do not seek revenge or bear a grudge for my personal insult here... i just want to serve Hashem and this is what i perceive He has given me to do... that is all... take my word on it or not... i really do not care... be well... nik.
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Amen.....
I'll be honest with you. This embarrasses me. I'm embarrassed by this. You are all adults and this is a religious forum.
Please stop this pettiness. The Torah tells us that we have to control our anger and we are supposed to be kind to one another. This isn't the splinter forum. We are supposed to be working together with unity. Unity is the one thing that can make or break any company, organization, or team. Is the cause or ego more important?
I don't want to see another fight. I'm not going to allow this. May Hashem forgive us all.
-Shlomo
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Sarah: "whoever cannot "handle" it, is a baby."
I totally agree.
I also believe it a good thing that our forum was reduced to a shambles.
It was long overdue.
It would seem that some here take others' posts or threads as "personal affronts", when the correct thing to do would be to simply ignore them, or to engage the poster with facts countering their statements.
Coming from a member who told 4 members to 'DIE' repeatedly.. this means nothing.
Well its not like you're going to drop down dead because Massuh said that.
Hating each others guts won't defeat Obama.
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Amen.....I'll be honest with you. This embarrasses me. I'm embarrassed by this. You are all adults and this is a religious forum.
Please stop this pettiness. The Torah tells us that we have to control our anger and we are supposed to be kind to one another. This isn't the splinter forum. We are supposed to be working together with unity. Unity is the one thing that can make or break any company, organization, or team. Is the cause or ego more important?
I don't want to see another fight. I'm not going to allow this. May Hashem forgive us all.
-Shlomo
Simply let us all be non-erosive and non-corrosive to our own brothers and friends and allies, or whatever otherwise you rightly consider them to be.
As the situation stands today, notwithstanding the persisting mutual contemporary and historical differences, "myuslamics" are our only correctly diagnosed common enemies.
With Regards... :)
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Can't we all just get along? ;)
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Can't we all just get along? ;)
YES WE CAN !
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Can't we all just get along? ;)
YES WE CAN !
AND WE WILL... O0
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ALLIES!!! O0
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ALLIES!!! O0
ALLIES!!! O0 O0
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Sarah: "whoever cannot "handle" it, is a baby."
I totally agree.
I also believe it a good thing that our forum was reduced to a shambles.
It was long overdue.
It would seem that some here take others' posts or threads as "personal affronts", when the correct thing to do would be to simply ignore them, or to engage the poster with facts countering their statements.
With some posts, it is clearly best to laugh quietly to oneself, and continue on to others.
Lastly, there is no more childish behavior than to find "allies" among other members, for the explicit purpose of public calls for the banishment of another member of long standing.
Not only is this a violation of Torah prohibition against public humiliation, but is in fact the actual cause of division and turmoil.
A questionable or ridiculous post does not in and of itself destroy this forum.
Of course my views do not apply to a common opposition to Nazis or others with a truly nefarious purpose for joing the forum.
If this forum and JTF is to serve only as a "mutual admiration society", then it serves no purpose, and our stated goals and vision will be of no more importance than is a junior high school "slam book".
You are very arrogant, confrontational, rude, antisocial and counterproductive.
Zelhar, you don't know what you're talking about.
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Sarah: "whoever cannot "handle" it, is a baby."
I totally agree.
I also believe it a good thing that our forum was reduced to a shambles.
It was long overdue.
It would seem that some here take others' posts or threads as "personal affronts", when the correct thing to do would be to simply ignore them, or to engage the poster with facts countering their statements.
With some posts, it is clearly best to laugh quietly to oneself, and continue on to others.
Lastly, there is no more childish behavior than to find "allies" among other members, for the explicit purpose of public calls for the banishment of another member of long standing.
Not only is this a violation of Torah prohibition against public humiliation, but is in fact the actual cause of division and turmoil.
A questionable or ridiculous post does not in and of itself destroy this forum.
Of course my views do not apply to a common opposition to Nazis or others with a truly nefarious purpose for joing the forum.
If this forum and JTF is to serve only as a "mutual admiration society", then it serves no purpose, and our stated goals and vision will be of no more importance than is a junior high school "slam book".
You are very arrogant, confrontational, rude, antisocial and counterproductive.
Zelhar, you don't know what you're talking about.
May be, but I think I do. I didn't call for Massue to be banned, that's up to the admins. I really Don't want to reignite another discussion turned into flame war nor did I try to offend Massouh.
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I look at it this way. Massa says a lot of inflammatory stuff, but every now and then he has a very good and very valid piece of wisdom/insight that was worth listening to all the rest of the dialogue. Unless it is just outright spamming, I don't think banning should be a tool that is very, very rarely used.
I actually like when the muzzies and the nazzis get on as I learn what thier talking points are and get to practice my response to them. You also get to practice on what really ticks them off.
Sham out... ;)
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I look at it this way. Massa says a lot of inflammatory stuff, but every now and then he has a very good and very valid piece of wisdom/insight that was worth listening to all the rest of the dialogue. Unless it is just outright spamming, I don't think banning should be a tool that is very, very rarely used.
I actually like when the muzzies and the nazzis get on as I learn what thier talking points are and get to practice my response to them. You also get to practice on what really ticks them off.
Sham out... ;)
1) Massuh's been around since the beginning.
2) He is the most brilliant member of the forum, bar none.
3) He has moments of rage, yes, but at least he's honest.
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And incredibly funny too. :)
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I look at it this way. Massa says a lot of inflammatory stuff, but every now and then he has a very good and very valid piece of wisdom/insight that was worth listening to all the rest of the dialogue. Unless it is just outright spamming, I don't think banning should be a tool that is very, very rarely used.
I actually like when the muzzies and the nazzis get on as I learn what thier talking points are and get to practice my response to them. You also get to practice on what really ticks them off.
Sham out... ;)
1) Massuh's been around since the beginning.
2) He is the most brilliant member of the forum, bar none.
3) He has moments of rage, yes, but at least he's honest.
Scriabin- and DEF. someone you would want in a battle with you. I have a nazi on my email thread, and she would NOT stop- so I found pictures of lots of punches, and emailed them to her, and CC'd all of the other members, after about a half hour of having to punch her in the cyber world, she just stopped, now we send songs of peoples voices we like to hear. CLEARLY she learned a 'respect'. We dont hear anymore of how she hates Jews- AT ALL. And AGREE, Massuh DEF. is VERY brilliant. I LOVE his spirit as well.
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I look at it this way. Massa says a lot of inflammatory stuff, but every now and then he has a very good and very valid piece of wisdom/insight that was worth listening to all the rest of the dialogue. Unless it is just outright spamming, I don't think banning should be a tool that is very, very rarely used.
I actually like when the muzzies and the nazzis get on as I learn what thier talking points are and get to practice my response to them. You also get to practice on what really ticks them off.
Sham out... ;)
1) Massuh's been around since the beginning.
2) He is the most brilliant member of the forum, bar none.
3) He has moments of rage, yes, but at least he's honest.
well... number 1 is certainly true.
His moments of rage were against some of our best contributors... and they involved hate filled wishes of DEATH!!!
The only thing I care about and focus on, are his comments that were ridiculously over the top.... absurdly hateful and violent... to the point of psychotic.
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I look at it this way. Massa says a lot of inflammatory stuff, but every now and then he has a very good and very valid piece of wisdom/insight that was worth listening to all the rest of the dialogue. Unless it is just outright spamming, I don't think banning should be a tool that is very, very rarely used.
I actually like when the muzzies and the nazzis get on as I learn what thier talking points are and get to practice my response to them. You also get to practice on what really ticks them off.
Sham out... ;)
1) Massuh's been around since the beginning.
2) He is the most brilliant member of the forum, bar none.
3) He has moments of rage, yes, but at least he's honest.
well... number 1 is certainly true.
His moments of rage were against some of our best contributors... and they involved hate filled wishes of DEATH!!!
The only thing I care about and focus on, are his comments that were ridiculously over the top.... absurdly hateful and violent... to the point of psychotic.
this forum is so busy it's amazing anybody knows what's going on!
you gotta hand it to the moderators!
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I agree 100%.
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Chaim Ben Pesach,
I have been on this forum for five minutes, and found nothing but attacks made against other members by none other than the very same "conspirators" of 24 hours ago.
Nothing but personal attacks and insults, as a matter of fact.
Attacks against Rabbinical sages, attacks against Torah interpretations, personal attacks, sexual slights, etc.
As long as I've been a member on this forum, which has been since the day it was first hosted on line, the "Rules" of the forum were in effect only to protect those hiding behind them to continue insulting and attacking others.
It's clear that almost all Moderators refuse to discipline those most deserving of forum rule violations, due to syncophancy, "mutual admiration societies", and endless false flattery.
Nothing has changed one iota in terms of "Forum Rules", apparently "their" answer to your ultimatum about "ending all personal attacks" is they that will continue to say and do anything they feel like, however and whenever they so choose.
Their collective behavior indicates to me that they know that Chaim Ben Pesach will gladly ban forum members, as long as all banned members are the victims of perfidy rather than the actual perpetrators.
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Chaim Ben Pesach,
I have been on this forum for five minutes, and found nothing but attacks made against other members by none other than the very same "conspirators" of 24 hours ago.
Nothing but personal attacks and insults, as a matter of fact.
Attacks against Rabbinical sages, attacks against Torah interpretations, personal attacks, sexual slights, etc.
As long as I've been a member on this forum, which has been since the day it was first hosted on line, the "Rules" of the forum were in effect only to protect those hiding behind them to continue insulting and attacking others.
It's clear that almost all Moderators refuse to discipline those most deserving of forum rule violations, due to syncophancy, "mutual admiration societies", and endless false flattery.
Nothing has changed one iota in terms of "Forum Rules", apparently "their" answer to your ultimatum about "ending all personal attacks" is they that will continue to say and do anything they feel like, however and whenever they so choose.
Their collective behavior indicates to me that they know that Chaim Ben Pesach will gladly ban forum members, as long as all banned members are the victims of perfidy rather than the actual perpetrators.
Good L-rd, are you talking about me?
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Chaim Ben Pesach,
I have been on this forum for five minutes, and found nothing but attacks made against other members by none other than the very same "conspirators" of 24 hours ago.
Nothing but personal attacks and insults, as a matter of fact.
Attacks against Rabbinical sages, attacks against Torah interpretations, personal attacks, sexual slights, etc.
As long as I've been a member on this forum, which has been since the day it was first hosted on line, the "Rules" of the forum were in effect only to protect those hiding behind them to continue insulting and attacking others.
It's clear that almost all Moderators refuse to discipline those most deserving of forum rule violations, due to syncophancy, "mutual admiration societies", and endless false flattery.
Nothing has changed one iota in terms of "Forum Rules", apparently "their" answer to your ultimatum about "ending all personal attacks" is they that will continue to say and do anything they feel like, however and whenever they so choose.
Their collective behavior indicates to me that they know that Chaim Ben Pesach will gladly ban forum members, as long as all banned members are the victims of perfidy rather than the actual perpetrators.
Good L-rd, are you talking about me?
Scriabin- you had that thread last night, and people were making fun of YOU. You dont do THAT to people, Scriabin!! You are CLASSY.
There ARE some YOUNGER members, and THIS I CAN tell- they absolutely cannot debate WITHOUT resorting to silly dumb namecalling. WHICH PROVOKES SENIOR MEMBERS TO RETALIATE.
FURTHERMORE: I THINK IS IS SERIOUSLY STUPID to shut down threads that people just 'dont agree with' -In the last week (DESPITE) some really personal attacks and stupid silly things to say- THIS has been the MOST exciting week that I have EVER EVER witnessed in many months- if you all want this to be a BORING FORUM, then keep up the bans and the UNNECESSARY locks on threads. RubyStars and I could probably go on for HOURS (without namecalling) on our differences in feminism, however THAT got locked TOO. For WHAT reason, I dont know. I DONT KNOW. Yes, obama is the issue- I AGREE, but the ROOT of the issue is HOW COULD HE HAVE EVER GOTTEN there to BEGIN with- which we are ALL searching for the answers.
Scirabin, I HAVE NEVER seen you ever blaspheme Judaism OR a Rabbi.. but SOME people on here have ZERO regard that there IS a rabbi here. NO MATTER HOW contraversial. Is this how people would treat a minister or a priest- I DONT THINK SO. I came to (niks) defense bc he IS a rabbi, So did Massuh, and the name-calling that he HAD to endure BY HIMSELF- Massuh was not doing him 'a favor' Massuh KNOWS this is FORBIDDEN, as it should be for Christian Ministers as well.
I think people should REFLECT. And no matter WHAT- bottom line- everything WILL be up for debate. Dont be locking threads that are EXCITING. Like last night.
BTW: David ben Moshe who HATES forums, was watching JTF all night long, and for 5 nights before.
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Chaim Ben Pesach,
I have been on this forum for five minutes, and found nothing but attacks made against other members by none other than the very same "conspirators" of 24 hours ago.
Nothing but personal attacks and insults, as a matter of fact.
Attacks against Rabbinical sages, attacks against Torah interpretations, personal attacks, sexual slights, etc.
As long as I've been a member on this forum, which has been since the day it was first hosted on line, the "Rules" of the forum were in effect only to protect those hiding behind them to continue insulting and attacking others.
It's clear that almost all Moderators refuse to discipline those most deserving of forum rule violations, due to syncophancy, "mutual admiration societies", and endless false flattery.
Nothing has changed one iota in terms of "Forum Rules", apparently "their" answer to your ultimatum about "ending all personal attacks" is they that will continue to say and do anything they feel like, however and whenever they so choose.
Their collective behavior indicates to me that they know that Chaim Ben Pesach will gladly ban forum members, as long as all banned members are the victims of perfidy rather than the actual perpetrators.
Good L-rd, are you talking about me?
Scriabin- you had that thread last night, and people were making fun of YOU. You dont do THAT to people, Scriabin!! You are CLASSY.
There ARE some YOUNGER members, and THIS I CAN tell- they absolutely cannot debate WITHOUT resorting to silly dumb namecalling. WHICH PROVOKES SENIOR MEMBERS TO RETALIATE.
FURTHERMORE: I THINK IS IS SERIOUSLY STUPID to shut down threads that people just 'dont agree with' -In the last week (DESPITE) some really personal attacks and stupid silly things to say- THIS has been the MOST exciting week that I have EVER EVER witnessed in many months- if you all want this to be a BORING FORUM, then keep up the bans and the UNNECESSARY locks on threads. RubyStars and I could probably go on for HOURS (without namecalling) on our differences in feminism, however THAT got locked TOO. For WHAT reason, I dont know. I DONT KNOW. Yes, obama is the issue- I AGREE, but the ROOT of the issue is HOW COULD HE HAVE EVER GOTTEN there to BEGIN with- which we are ALL searching for the answers.
Scirabin, I HAVE NEVER seen you ever blaspheme Judaism OR a Rabbi.. but SOME people on here have ZERO regard that there IS a rabbi here. NO MATTER HOW contraversial. Is this how people would treat a minister or a priest- I DONT THINK SO. I came to (niks) defense B.C.E. he IS a rabbi, So did Massuh, and the name-calling that he HAD to endure BY HIMSELF- Massuh was not doing him 'a favor' Massuh KNOWS this is FORBIDDEN, as it should be for Christian Ministers as well.
I think people should REFLECT. And no matter WHAT- bottom line- everything WILL be up for debate. Dont be locking threads that are EXCITING. Like last night.
BTW: David ben Moshe who HATES forums, was watching JTF all night long, and for 5 nights before.
Thank you, Paulette. Of course I agree with you.
As Rabbi Kahane said, "If it isn't controversial, it isn't important."
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The Rabbi Kahane didnt lie. If this is a Kahanist forum, LETS ACT LIKE IT THEN. Contraversy does NOT scare ME.
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The Rabbi Kahane didnt lie. If this is a Kahanist forum, LETS ACT LIKE IT THEN. Contraversy does NOT scare ME.
YOU GO PAULETTE! O0
You're right that any forum is more riveting when there are controversial discussions!
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The Rabbi Kahane didnt lie. If this is a Kahanist forum, LETS ACT LIKE IT THEN. Contraversy does NOT scare ME.
YOU GO PAULETTE! O0
You're right that any forum is more riveting when there are controversial discussions!
As GW said (when he made sense) BRING IT ON, this little Kahanist AINT SCARED ONE BIT. If we WANT a "Mass Movement" there MUST be MAJOR contraversy!!! Show America & Israel that WE AINT SCARED OF NOTHING.
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from what I have seen, when threads are locked, it is for good reason.
I don't know about the feminism one.
But The threads that I have seen that have got locked are not locked for being an important controversial issue.
They are locked for overdoing a petty issue about -people- , an issue of no theological or moral significance. An issue that idiots won't shut up about despite being told not to, and such threads are bad for JTF, because it is bad if the most active threads are dominated by petty fools, or just fools that can only defame and gossip. This worse than childish nonsense is not the kind of controversy that rabbi kahane had in mind.
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I do sympathise with people when a thread started with an important discussion, devolves because of some fools.
Only moderators/admins can really deal with that problem.
And the trouble makers who I have in mind also do alot of good, and are respected by Chaim. So, no proper solution really. Moderators would have to look at it case by case. The trouble makers do tend to behave better when they know they are outranked - by their daddy in the room wielding a belt.
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(QQ- hi- I lost your message so I could send you these audios)
Actually 2 got locked, this week that were GOOD. I am not saying that the mods or admins are doing a bad job, but some people just cant take contraversy- if you CANT TAKE IT- just get out of the debate, and STOP ruining the fun for the rest of the people that DO KNOW HOW to take it.
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Paulette, when I lock threads, I don't think it has to do with fearing controversy. I do it, as q_q said, because sometimes, well-meaning people will insist on beating a dead horse, which can only cause internal fighting, and rancor.
There are Jews, Catholics, Protestants, Orthodox Christians, Hindus and atheists here. With all the different groups, there are going to be certain areas in which we'll just have to agree to disagree. Our energies would be put to better use in helping draw more people to the cause, to get Chaim into Israel, and to derail Barack Hussein Muhammed Obama.
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Paulette, when I lock threads, I don't think it has to do with fearing controversy. I do it, as q_q said, because sometimes, well-meaning people will insist on beating a dead horse, which can only cause internal fighting, and rancor.
There are Jews, Catholics, Protestants, Orthodox Christians, Hindus and atheists here. With all the different groups, there are going to be certain areas in which we'll just have to agree to disagree. Our energies would be put to better use in helping draw more people to the cause, to get Chaim into Israel, and to derail Barack Hussein Muhammed Obama.
It wasnt you, Lisa.
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(QQ- hi- I lost your message so I could send you these audios)
Actually 2 got locked, this week that were GOOD. I am not saying that the mods or admins are doing a bad job, but some people just cant take contraversy- if you CANT TAKE IT- just get out of the debate, and STOP ruining the fun for the rest of the people that DO KNOW HOW to take it.
I will resend th PM about the audio.
Regarding threads getting locked
You and I probably have different threads in mind.
We do tend to converse on different subjects.
I doubt that you think no threads should ever be locked. There are many examples of threads that were locked - rightly. And it does send a message to trouble makers, if they caused it.
JTF is a serious organisation, and petty defaming of the sort I have seen, is tiresome, and harms JTF.
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Now Now QQ, there ARE threads that def. need locking. I wasn't born in a barn ya know.
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Now Now QQ, there ARE threads that def. need locking. I wasn't born in a barn ya know.
:::D Your so funny Paulette. 8;)
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Now Now QQ, there ARE threads that def. need locking. I wasn't born in a barn ya know.
:::D Your so funny Paulette. 8;)
Why TY BullCat.
"Methinks thou doth protest too much." qq...but, alas...
QQ knows I like him lots. :-*
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I think the 9/11 conspiracy BS is harming this site more than anything. I am really getting sick of Nik and Lubab talking like that. Nik has taken it back into the General Discussion thread.
There are plenty of places on the internet to discuss that quakery. I dont want to associate with any of those lunatics.
Thank you,
muman613
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I think the 9/11 conspiracy BS is harming this site more than anything. I am really getting sick of Nik and Lubab talking like that. Nik has taken it back into the General Discussion thread.
There are plenty of places on the internet to discuss that quakery. I dont want to associate with any of those lunatics.
Thank you,
muman613
It is making me angry and very sad, Muman. I believe that sharing what happened in your family, on your own thread will stop the insanity. This is very PAINFUL for some people here.
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Now Now QQ, there ARE threads that def. need locking. I wasn't born in a barn ya know.
:::D Your so funny Paulette. 8;)
Why TY BullCat.
"Methinks thou doth protest too much." qq...but, alas...
QQ knows I like him lots. :-*
Obviously. You were born in a barn, you like everybody ;-)