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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Lubab on July 28, 2008, 02:17:10 AM
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Parting Comments he emailed me:
at least have the intellectual honesty and the common courtesy to write exactly why i have been banned and not put up lies... put the truth up there for all to see... have some courage for crying out loud... be a man... or a woman... whoever banned me... i've got the guts... don't want any glory... and i know i went the distance... you all at jtf should have the decency to do the same... say it... i'm banned because i put up things here none of you wanted to hear... that none of you wanted to see... so say so... and be real about this... nik. in righteous indignation... out...
Now me talking:
It's pretty clear he was banned for repeatedly violating Chaim's rule against posting conspiracy theory threads and specifically 9-11 conspiracy theories. The moderator who banned him mentioned a few other allegations against Nik that are a bit more questionable which we'll have to look into but I think the consensus was to ban him for the above reasons.
Chaim didn't yet have a say on this so we'll see what happens. I'm sure he'll review the decision and the facts and veto or approve the ban. We'll await his decision until he get's back hopefully with good news about his mother.
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I hope this is for the best...
Please keep in touch with him because I think he needed support.
muman613
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Nik:
this is unjust... but i can live with it... because i know i never backed down and my sole intention and purpose was to serve Hashem by trying to awaken my fellow brethren and sistren... well that's it from here and for now... nik. over and out... done and gone...
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About damn time. This so-called "rabbi" made Kadima members look sane.
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Most of you guys and gals probably know I didn't like nik. Nothing personal, mind you, but I found his posts really annoying. The rambling, incoherent, incredibly bizarre, unbearably long, totally ludicrous posts coupled with the arrogance to question the intelligence of anyone that disagreed with him, really wore me out.
His disregard of Chaim's requests and the damage he was doing to the forum makes the ban justifiable.
That being said, nik in his twisted way really only wanted the best for the Jewish people. We should keep that in mind.
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He has been warned so many times, and still with the warnings he avoid the warnings and would do whatever he wants. We can not be a serious movement with crazy conspiracies that will only make us look like fools.
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About damn time. This so-called "rabbi" made Kadima members look sane.
Why do you think you should be so disrespectful to a rabbi?
Stop making personal attacks against others.
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The conspiracies are the conspiracies that have been on the web site. We're busy proving that red is red and blue is blue while the election is 100 days away.
99.99% of conspiracies always end up with the Jews and Masons and both groups have been killed because of these conspiracies throughout history. As soon as one conspiracy is disproven they stay silent for a while and then come back in another forum where they weren't exposed before.
There are real conspiracies but anyone who's worked in government can tell you how inefficient government works and they could never keep $40,000 a year employees silent about something like 9-11 when they couldn't shut up Richard Clark and Scot McClellan. Of course, all the conspiracy makers believe the rogue ex White House employees without any problem..
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I really don't understand him for beeing so stubborn. There are thousands of websites on the web which deal with conspiracy theories.
He had only to respect Chaim's wish.
Now it's too late. :(
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Nothing personal against Nik but what he was posting was fatal to our forum. I think Chaim and the members gave him the respect he deserved as a Rabbi by allowing him to continue with all the crazy posts far longer than he should have. Elements of his posts were true and could have been the subject of good debate however much of it was way to far out on a limb and really made him look a little nuts. Some days back he wrote a great religious post that really was first class and I wondered why he didn't post on this subject more where he would be a real asset to the forum. JTF is trying to be a mainstream movement that might influence the upcoming elections here in America. Anyone coming to out site and seeing conspiracy theory posts like Nik's day after day will certainly not take our movement seriously or for that matter ever return. Add to this the fact that it was turning much our own membership off. I really think think the ADMINISTRATOR that banned Nik acted in the best interest of the forum. If Nik were allowed to return and take up where he left off I honestly believe the forum would be damaged.
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About damn time. This so-called "rabbi" made Kadima members look sane.
Why do you think you should be so disrespectful to a rabbi?
Stop making personal attacks against others.
Rationalthought, Chaimfan is 100 percent correct here. Nikmatdam was not a Rabbi. That was a lie that he peddled here. What was a rabbi doing trying to pursue a gentile woman? I believe he got off too easy for bringing that whole mess onto us. It's true KellyMaureen tempted and baited him but he was indeed trying to pursue her. If he had no interest in her, the fact that she tempted men wouldn't of mattered. Now I can understand why a man would want to pursue a woman, but a "Rabbi" had no business trying to strike up a relationship with a much younger gentile woman. After all that, he comes on here with post after post after another retarded post trying to say that it wasn't the muzzies who perpetrated 9/11
Then he posts over again about how the biggest problem today is christians. Now, Chaims whole life has been devoted to working with jews and righteous gentiles to save Israel and the US. Nikmatdam's retarded posts bashing christians was turning righteous gentiles who saw the forum off. Who knows how many righteous gentiles came to the forum, saw the "Rabbis" posts and never registered or joined becuase of it. Maybe some of them were wealthy and would of helped Chaim with donations. The crimes of nikmatwhateverthehellhis name is against this forum were severe. Chaimfan is 100% correct in what he has said about this 53 year old piece of drek nikmatdam. Chaim Ben Pesach has put in alot of hard work trying to bring jews and righteous gentiles together so who is nikmatdam to try and harm those relations?
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I think everyone on this forum knows what Nik's posts were going to be about, and you have the freedom to ignore them if you don't want to read them, at least in the version of forum I am using. So don't say he was aggravating, that is your own fault for continuing to read them.
I think probably the real reason is the threat to the validity and maturity of JTF as seem by potential new members, guests and the media, especially now that we are getting a lot more media attention now.
I pray that he finds the support of companions and friends.
God please bless Nik, give him support and hold him in Your arms.
Sham out
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He was an extremely disturbed individual. He has caused tremendous harm to the cause in many ways, not just his latest conspiracy drek.
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That's why we have youtube and flix....
last night i suggested that because it was a free country and he had as much a right to share his thoughts as a "black hebro". however, JTF is not the appropriate place to do this...he should do youtube videos...
I know I know..everyone has tried to tell him something like that over and over again..like a million times...he should have been banned a million years ago like certain other members who eventually left on their own volition and became JTF haters.
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What exactally is this "truth"?
Sounds like someone's causing problems.
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I really don't understand him for beeing so stubborn. There are thousands of websites on the web which deal with conspiracy theories.
He had only to respect Chaim's wish.
Now it's too late. :(
This is what I couldn't understand either. He was obviously very intelligent and I didn't want to see him banned, but there was really no other choice when he was asked and asked and asked to stop and wouldn't when it came to the conspiracy theory stuff. I liked Nik and I'm sad to see him have to go but I understand why this had to happen.
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At least the forum won't be full of his word diatribes.
Who has time to read a ten-thousand word post?
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He has been warned so many times, and still with the warnings he avoid the warnings and would do whatever he wants. We can not be a serious movement with crazy conspiracies that will only make us look like fools.
Hi Wolf, I agree ...conspiracy theories are a waste of time and have been created by the communists and muslims to blame our Government for 9/11 instead of the Muslims who did it.....enemies look out after each other and in this case the communists are siding with the muslims in this 9/11 conspiracy lie.
I am glad they have locked that thread...I am sick of the 9/11 conspiracy theory...it deserves no attention because it's fabricated by communists and muslims.
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Farewell Nik!!!!
Stay away from flying saucers and Catholic Churches!!!!
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Why do you think you should be so disrespectful to a rabbi?
Stop making personal attacks against others.
Nik was a rabbi like my pet parakeet is.
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Again, this was LONG overdue. Visitors to this site had no idea that he was a crackpot--with the number and frequency of his threads, they could easily have thought that he was an honored and esteemed member. We have no idea what the true nature of the damage he did was. Everything DownwithIslam said about this mental patient was correct. Even if he was tempted and entrapped by the Nazi Kellymaureen, he had the choice of whether or not to pursue her. He is not an animal any more than we are, and could have said no. That, of course, pales in comparison to his "the pope ordered 9/11" drivel. My only question is why it took so long to ban this wackjob, who makes Yacov look positively stable.
Good riddance to the "rabbi" Nik.
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I didn't really agree with his stance on Catholicism although if I recall, a few Jewish people have claimed that the pope does not recognize Jerusalem as belonging to Israel but as a international city. Anyways, I have no opinion about it.
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It is not good to talk about people like this. Let us move forward and look for ways we can prevent the Obamanation from getting anywhere near the White House.
muman613
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This position is bound to be unpopular but here goes: I do not understand why we ban members for saying things that we don't like. Are we setting a precedent here? If we ever take power in Israel (G-D willing) will be ban those members of our society who say things we don't like?
I don't agree with the crazy 9-11 conspiracy theories, but I'm not worried about those people who espouse them. I feel pity for them. Their lives must be somewhat superficial if they spend their time creating these fantasies. I also don't think that they can corrupt a healthy movement like ours. So if we feel secure and proud of our own minds and of our own relationships with each other, there should be no reason to fear people who say things that we don't like.
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This position is bound to be unpopular but here goes: I do not understand why we ban members for saying things that we don't like. Are we setting a precedent here? If we ever take power in Israel (G-D willing) will be ban those members of our society who say things we don't like?
I don't agree with the crazy 9-11 conspiracy theories, but I'm not worried about those people who espouse them. I feel pity for them. Their lives must be somewhat superficial if they spend their time creating these fantasies. I also don't think that they can corrupt a healthy movement like ours. So if we feel secure and proud of our own minds and of our own relationships with each other, there should be no reason to fear people who say things that we don't like.
I dont agree with this sentiment. Obama is poisoned because of his association with Jeramiah Wright and his antisemitic and antiamerican rhetoric. It is a good thing we keep the discussion on making sure Obama doesnt win and then worry about the conspiracy stuff...
muman613
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It is sad to see people slamming Nik. I've had a number of disagreements with Nik on many issues from serious to minor. Conspiracies do exist and are very real. In 1931 the bosses of the New York Five Families met in an Atlantic City, New Jersey to form the The Commission. Upon the Commission's founding, gangster Meyer Lansky allegedly remarked that its influence was "bigger than U.S. Steel." which was used within the last Godfather movie by Chaim Roth....
Was this a "Conspiracy"? Absolutely. One of the biggest. Large enough to control the entire underworld of crime nationally and to a large extent influence international government dealings. So "conspiracies" do happen and if it could happen to the entirety of organized crime (with all of their criminal relations: financial, political, economic, legal) it most certainly can, and is, happening today.
Perhaps Nik did take things a bit too far, but he was certainly not wrong on many issues he writes on. Many have doubts on 911 as being something much larger than the government allows it, or lets out to be. Padro San Juan, author of the fabulous book, "The UN Gang" believes thus. San Juan goes further to suggest an implication/partnership between Russia, and her communist allies within the UN and the Muslims..... Is he a "truther"... not likely. If any of you had followed Congressman Curt Weldon's downfall? Now there's another, separate but related story....
I don't believe Nik was bad.... Basically a good Jew trying to find, and aquire knowledged to the truth within this entire spider's web of NWO criminal agenda....
2 cents from Ol-MarZutra 'the unbanned'... ;)
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People who believe that Nik had some sort of a problem should let him leave with dignity, do not go on asserting your views about his condition.
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This position is bound to be unpopular but here goes: I do not understand why we ban members for saying things that we don't like. Are we setting a precedent here? If we ever take power in Israel (G-D willing) will be ban those members of our society who say things we don't like?
I don't agree with the crazy 9-11 conspiracy theories, but I'm not worried about those people who espouse them. I feel pity for them. Their lives must be somewhat superficial if they spend their time creating these fantasies. I also don't think that they can corrupt a healthy movement like ours. So if we feel secure and proud of our own minds and of our own relationships with each other, there should be no reason to fear people who say things that we don't like.
you are right and you are wrong....First thing is, do you think it's appropriate for black hebros to post on this forum? or pro Muslim and koranic people? Why can't they post hear also? It's a free country right? Of course it is? But is it appropriate for the JTF forum to have posts that have nothing to do wtih the movement on this forum? Of course not! Nik can do videos and post on his own blog these conspiracies just as much black hebros have the right to scream and rant on the sidewalks of manhattan. The JTF forum is meant to discuss rationally ideals and ways to a new society that will be righteous and save the world from crashing into oblivion.
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It is sad to see people slamming Nik. I've had a number of disagreements with Nik on many issues from serious to minor. Conspiracies do exist and are very real. In 1931 the bosses of the New York Five Families met in an Atlantic City, New Jersey to form the The Commission. Upon the Commission's founding, gangster Meyer Lansky allegedly remarked that its influence was "bigger than U.S. Steel." which was used within the last Godfather movie by Chaim Roth....
Was this a "Conspiracy"? Absolutely. One of the biggest. Large enough to control the entire underworld of crime nationally and to a large extent influence international government dealings. So "conspiracies" do happen and if it could happen to the entirety of organized crime (with all of their criminal relations: financial, political, economic, legal) it most certainly can, and is, happening today.
Perhaps Nik did take things a bit too far, but he was certainly not wrong on many issues he writes on. Many have doubts on 911 as being something much larger than the government allows it, or lets out to be. Padro San Juan, author of the fabulous book, "The UN Gang" believes thus. San Juan goes further to suggest an implication/partnership between Russia, and her communist allies within the UN and the Muslims..... Is he a "truther"... not likely. If any of you had followed Congressman Curt Weldon's downfall? Now there's another, separate but related story....
I don't believe Nik was all that bad.... Basically a good guy basically trying to find the truth within this entire NWO criminal agenda....
2 cents from Ol-MarZutra 'the unbanned'... ;)
Conspiracies make sense if you use common sense. I don't want to slam Nik because he seemed like a good person but I totally disagree with many of his conspiracy ideas. You have to have some common sense and basic agreements. It defies common sense when Al Qaeda is jumping up and down saying "we did it" and people still say it was someone else. Who they had agreements with or worked with; those are interesting questions but if someone thinks the American government did this, they are insane. If they were so diabolical, Nik would be dead as would all the other people talking about the conspiracy.
Anyways, I'm tried of talking about fantasies, when there is a real conspiracy of making a Muslim communist president. There is proof of Obama's Muslim past...actual proof of his Muslim school registration and there is proof of what he and Jeremiah Wright, and Phelps have worked on and said in the past. The media is blatantly ignoring the anti-Obama side which is an obvious conspiracy. What I wouldn't believe, is that Obama is actually a vampire or part of some ancient ritualistic cult that practices human sacrifice, etc. Or that Obama isn't Obama but an outer space alien or that he is George Bush with surgery. See the difference??? Those are insane rumors and innuendos with no proof while what JTF has to say about Obama are factual points that are never allowed to be shown in the mainstream media.
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People who believe that Nik had some sort of a problem should let him leave with dignity, do not go on asserting your views about his condition.
Agreed. Whether you agreed or disagreed with him, he's no longer disrupting the forum now, which is good. Nik can not directly respond to you now, so please don't say nasty things about him.
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This position is bound to be unpopular but here goes: I do not understand why we ban members for saying things that we don't like. Are we setting a precedent here? If we ever take power in Israel (G-D willing) will be ban those members of our society who say things we don't like?
I don't agree with the crazy 9-11 conspiracy theories, but I'm not worried about those people who espouse them. I feel pity for them. Their lives must be somewhat superficial if they spend their time creating these fantasies. I also don't think that they can corrupt a healthy movement like ours. So if we feel secure and proud of our own minds and of our own relationships with each other, there should be no reason to fear people who say things that we don't like.
you are right and you are wrong....First thing is, do you think it's appropriate for black hebros to post on this forum? or pro Muslim and koranic people? Why can't they post hear also? It's a free country right? Of course it is? But is it appropriate for the JTF forum to have posts that have nothing to do wtih the movement on this forum? Of course not! Nik can do videos and post on his own blog these conspiracies just as much black hebros have the right to scream and rant on the sidewalks of manhattan. The JTF forum is meant to discuss rationally ideals and ways to a new society that will be righteous and save the world from crashing into oblivion.
You make a good point Dr. Dan. I will think about this some more. I guess what I'm wondering is if Nik had some rational and valuable ideas besides this conspiracy nonsense. Is there any room for tolerance here? Is it possible to gain from somebody's good ideas while rejecting the other stuff?
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Enough with this buttkissing. Nik didn't bring one iota of good ideas to the forum, and he was supremely disrespectful to Chaim and the rules of this forum. He should have been banned on his third post, not a year after joining the forum. That he was allowed to spread his poison here for so long is a travesty.
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I don't see how people who believe in 9/11 conspiracy theories would even want to be part of JTF. To even do the research it takes to prove to yourself that they are true, you have to have some sort of deep-seeded hatred for America. That would be like if I posted page after page of "evidence" that the Holocaust never happened. I would have to be screwed up from the start and have an "it must be true" mentality to even pursue something like that long enough to believe it since Holocaust denial (and the 9/11 conspiracy theory) is so far removed from reality.
That's a good point.
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I don't see how people who believe in 9/11 conspiracy theories would even want to be part of JTF. To even do the research it takes to prove to yourself that they are true, you have to have some sort of deep-seeded hatred for America. That would be like if I posted page after page of "evidence" that the Holocaust never happened. I would have to be screwed up from the start and have an "it must be true" mentality to even pursue something like that long enough to believe it since Holocaust denial (and the 9/11 conspiracy theory) is so far removed from reality.
Sorry, I have to disagree brother. I believe there was much more to it and I'm a member/postor on the forum...
The fact that no one even asks themselves how someone like Obama could even be considered let alone actaully run for the office of the President dictates that there is something wrong, the process has been highly corrupted and further America's national and foreign policy hasn't changed much since the days of Woodrow Wilson.
Before stating that there is no conspiracy or even questionable dealings surrounding 911, I think it might be worthy to research history a little bit. You say that someone must hate America, I'll state publically that it is your President, his father and their elitist cohorts. How's that? The fact that the vast majority of Americans want the borders closed and the illegals deported and your dumb dumb of a President is openly calling for legalizing illegals, working toward a North American Union and further totally undermining the educational system with his "No child left behind".
The fact of the matter is that there was much more to do with 911 over and above a bunch of Muslims flying planes into buildings. If it weren't the case someone might explain the specificites of Able Danger or even the taking down of a very competant Congressman: Curt Weldon... I most certainly don't believe that the Mossad did it and every Jew got a call to stay home. That is total insanity, but I will state that there my well have been collusion between the UN, Russia, China and the Islamic World with some key American Elitists known much more than they let on....
Oh yes my friend, there are conspiracies and vast corruption.... Think twice when you bother wasting your time to go vote...as it won't matter as both "wings" of the political system are attached to the same "bird"..... ;)
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There is a lot of specious reasoning going on here. Let me address two forms of it:
a: The fact that some conspiracies are real is not a blank-check to make up whatever you want and pass it off as true. We can't just invent our own realities. The fact that there are evil multinational schemes, often right before our eyes, isn't license to uncritically accept every crackpot's version of history and current events. One does not logically follow the other. The facts that (a) Bush is part of the NWO, and (b) that he is pro-Muslim and wants to legalize all the illegals, do not automatically validate (c), that he is behind 9/11. Several of you are arguing just that, though, in conflict with both observable facts and common sense.
b: I challenge any poster to show me one constructive thing nikmatdam brought to the table. Just one. His ramblings were long, illogical, terribly typed, and invariably the product of his fanciful imagination alone, and drove many good posters from the forum (i.e. dhimmi_pride, among others). So you think he should have been indulged simply because he "sincerely believed" his fairy tales? What the hell is that? Lots of people in mental institutions sincerely believe that voices are talking to them and telling them to do things. Nik is hardly less mentally ill and never belonged here in the first place.
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b: I challenge any poster to show me one constructive thing nikmatdam brought to the table. Just one.
His posts would always give me a good laugh.
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You guys, Chaim said flat out in an earlier post that he would not tolerate these 9/11 conspiracy threads, and that anyone putting them up would be banned. At first he didn't want Nik due to him being a rabbi. But this was before that 20 page 9/11 conspiracy thread. Over and over, Chaim tried reasoning with him and asking him nicely not to put up conspiracy posts about the Roman Catholic Church/Bush being behind 9/11. I tried reasoning with him as well. I even set up blog for him, so he could post his stuff there. But it was no use. So let's let this go.
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Nik was given every chance to stop the behavior out of respect for him. Unfortunately, he chose not to return that respect. There's really not a lot more to say about it.
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I didn't like the way he signed off with that schwartza expression: "nik out"
What a retarded schwartza "wanna be."
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I didn't like the way he signed off with that schwartza expression: "nik out"
What a retarded schwartza "wanna be."
I absolutely agree.
Sham out.
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Nik was given every chance to stop the behavior out of respect for him. Unfortunately, he chose not to return that respect. There's really not a lot more to say about it.
Amen, and enough said.
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This position is bound to be unpopular but here goes: I do not understand why we ban members for saying things that we don't like. Are we setting a precedent here? If we ever take power in Israel (G-D willing) will be ban those members of our society who say things we don't like?
I don't agree with the crazy 9-11 conspiracy theories, but I'm not worried about those people who espouse them. I feel pity for them. Their lives must be somewhat superficial if they spend their time creating these fantasies. I also don't think that they can corrupt a healthy movement like ours. So if we feel secure and proud of our own minds and of our own relationships with each other, there should be no reason to fear people who say things that we don't like.
you are right and you are wrong....First thing is, do you think it's appropriate for black hebros to post on this forum? or pro Muslim and koranic people? Why can't they post hear also? It's a free country right? Of course it is? But is it appropriate for the JTF forum to have posts that have nothing to do wtih the movement on this forum? Of course not! Nik can do videos and post on his own blog these conspiracies just as much black hebros have the right to scream and rant on the sidewalks of manhattan. The JTF forum is meant to discuss rationally ideals and ways to a new society that will be righteous and save the world from crashing into oblivion.
You make a good point Dr. Dan. I will think about this some more. I guess what I'm wondering is if Nik had some rational and valuable ideas besides this conspiracy nonsense. Is there any room for tolerance here? Is it possible to gain from somebody's good ideas while rejecting the other stuff?
Multiple times it was suggested to Nik that he should post on other topics. ::)
Why did he have to keep posting the same information over and over again? Always taunting the administrators of the forum to ban him. ???
I think respect and tolerance of ideas should work both ways. That is the point that Nik seemed to be missing. I don't like to be beat over the head with other people's beliefs. Discuss and debate. That seems a more reasonable way to advance your ideas.
Key to being a productive forum member is abiding by the rules as set forth by the administrators...especially Chaim.
Sorry - I'm late coming to the party. Enough Said! ;)
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I don't know why more people can't see this basic truth. It amazes me that there are still people sorry that this fool was banned (way too late). Shame on them. :(
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can we please unsticky this thread? this is completely unacceptable for this forum!!!! Stop making Nik like he was a martyr...he is no martyr..he is no prophet..he is just another human being who has opinions. He is free to express them...but those opinions were not appropriate for this forum. Please remove this as a sticky and please everyone..let's move on!!!
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You guys, Chaim said flat out in an earlier post that he would not tolerate these 9/11 conspiracy threads, and that anyone putting them up would be banned. At first he didn't want Nik due to him being a rabbi. But this was before that 20 page 9/11 conspiracy thread. Over and over, Chaim tried reasoning with him and asking him nicely not to put up conspiracy posts about the Roman Catholic Church/Bush being behind 9/11. I tried reasoning with him as well. I even set up blog for him, so he could post his stuff there. But it was no use. So let's let this go.
Lisa, we cant really let this go, with this sitting at the top of the forum.
I totally 100% differ with this decision, wholeheartedly, completely, to the max. I agree with the other poster here who said: "Ignore" feature, basically. There are MANY things that people from the Catholic Faith have done this last century, that refuted what Nik said, and I posted it. I practically posted 2 pages on people that saved Jews during the Holocaust, that NOBODY EVEN BOTHERED TO READ. Which is TYPICAL of MY posts, UNLESS I bring up a valid warning that gets IGNORED that many of you, in return rebuked me. I posted on just yesterday, that people only probably posted on, b/c it was NEGATIVE. SOME of you THRIVE on NEGATIVE, matter of FACT, YOU LOVE IT.
Nik, IMO had issues that perhaps went a (little) deeper than what was at the surface, of just posting on Catholicism.
While that whole issue of the k. maureen character went on, nik CONFESSED his 'sin' here to you people, and many of you, DID NOT EVEN ACCEPT it. You DIDNT. It was CONDITIONAL. And then when Nik came out with this Catholicism stuff, you didnt MISS A CHANCE to throw it IN HIS FACE, what happened with him and that woman. In the meantime, somewhere along the way, it was found out that k. maureen was a nazi. Then she got told off (which was expected) but downright RIDICULOUS, and while THIS went on, did ANYONE consider that nik was involved with this person, & (perhaps) still had feelings for, and then even THAT got shoved in his face, as he had to look at that as well, while she got her rightful blast.
Perhaps nik was hell bent on making some of you feel as bad as perhaps he did- who knows.. But, When people do something over and over, even after being told NOT to, and they STILL do, it is USUALLY b/c something ELSE is going on in the persons mind (I took psychotherapy in College) NO I AM NOT A GENIUS, ~but I could read through the lines~ Did ANYONE even BOTHER to REALLY comfort nik while HE was in pain, while HIS feelings HURT?
Nik ALSO, (I believe) feels GUILTY about what happened, and this could have been the PERFECT way to punish himself. If I were a Rabbi Man or a minister or a priest, or what have you, I know I would have felt totally guilty over what happened, b/c those people brought harm on INNOCENT members here, and nik knew it (I believe, inside, this has bothered him a GREAT deal) If it didnt, then he would just not even be human.
MANY MANY MANY times, people SET THEMSELVES UP for just this to happen: To have people 86, exile, ban, WHATEVER you want to call it- so that they can feel that justice was served. (Remember what it said on his little message on his profile page) Something like: "I absolute crave for vengeance and justice" In this case, (perhaps) he did NOT believe that justice was served, when he was allowed to stay, and didnt get banned with the perpetrator of the crime, which he feels he was 'guilty by association' Yes, this is digging deeper, and perhaps nik himself hasnt even really 'thought' of it, but I have done this to myself, with different incidents in my life too. So, in this:
I am NOT with this ultimate ban of nik. And nik, I AM HERE, and I AM your FRIEND.
PS: This has NOTHING to do with ANYONE ELSE on this forum.
My concern REALLY IS for Nik, who desperately wants a wife and family, as HE stated. I REALLY REALLY care for you Nik, not just some bla bla bla words. PLEASE DO NOT GO AWAY, and PLEASE CONSIDER what I have said. Please! I know pain, (physical more) BUT, I KNOW it well, and can sense it BIGTIME. PLEASE know that there ARE a few of us that DO REALLY care about you UNCONDITIONALLY.
SHALOM.
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I don't see how people who believe in 9/11 conspiracy theories would even want to be part of JTF. To even do the research it takes to prove to yourself that they are true, you have to have some sort of deep-seeded hatred for America. That would be like if I posted page after page of "evidence" that the Holocaust never happened. I would have to be screwed up from the start and have an "it must be true" mentality to even pursue something like that long enough to believe it since Holocaust denial (and the 9/11 conspiracy theory) is so far removed from reality.
Sorry, I have to disagree brother. I believe there was much more to it and I'm a member/postor on the forum...
The fact that no one even asks themselves how someone like Obama could even be considered let alone actaully run for the office of the President dictates that there is something wrong, the process has been highly corrupted and further America's national and foreign policy hasn't changed much since the days of Woodrow Wilson.
Before stating that there is no conspiracy or even questionable dealings surrounding 911, I think it might be worthy to research history a little bit. You say that someone must hate America, I'll state publically that it is your President, his father and their elitist cohorts. How's that? The fact that the vast majority of Americans want the borders closed and the illegals deported and your dumb dumb of a President is openly calling for legalizing illegals, working toward a North American Union and further totally undermining the educational system with his "No child left behind".
The fact of the matter is that there was much more to do with 911 over and above a bunch of Muslims flying planes into buildings. If it weren't the case someone might explain the specificites of Able Danger or even the taking down of a very competant Congressman: Curt Weldon... I most certainly don't believe that the Mossad did it and every Jew got a call to stay home. That is total insanity, but I will state that there my well have been collusion between the UN, Russia, China and the Islamic World with some key American Elitists known much more than they let on....
Oh yes my friend, there are conspiracies and vast corruption.... Think twice when you bother wasting your time to go vote...as it won't matter as both "wings" of the political system are attached to the same "bird"..... ;)
Marz,
Your entitled to believe anything you want, including that the martians have taken over the world... That is not my business. I dont think Bush was behind 9/11 and there is no evidence that he did. If you dont care who wins why are you visiting the Jews Against Obama forum? I dont have time to argue with people who hate America. I work too hard to make America a great country to worry about those who are trying to destroy it.
Where do you stand... It sounds like you really dont care about America and will not do your part to make it better. I am a contributing member of society and have a lot to lose in the coming election. I will do what I can to prevent Obama from getting close to the White House. It sounds like some are only going to complain.
muman613
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I don't see how people who believe in 9/11 conspiracy theories would even want to be part of JTF. To even do the research it takes to prove to yourself that they are true, you have to have some sort of deep-seeded hatred for America. That would be like if I posted page after page of "evidence" that the Holocaust never happened. I would have to be screwed up from the start and have an "it must be true" mentality to even pursue something like that long enough to believe it since Holocaust denial (and the 9/11 conspiracy theory) is so far removed from reality.
Sorry, I have to disagree brother. I believe there was much more to it and I'm a member/postor on the forum...
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I thought you'd vanished.
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I agree.....ape out.
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Marz,
Your entitled to believe anything you want, including that the martians have taken over the world... That is not my business. I dont think Bush was behind 9/11 and there is no evidence that he did. If you dont care who wins why are you visiting the Jews Against Obama forum? I dont have time to argue with people who hate America. I work too hard to make America a great country to worry about those who are trying to destroy it.
Where do you stand... It sounds like you really dont care about America and will not do your part to make it better. I am a contributing member of society and have a lot to lose in the coming election. I will do what I can to prevent Obama from getting close to the White House. It sounds like some are only going to complain.
muman613
Sorry if you find this "offending" but I am totally disgusted by your ignorance and insults. I not once mentioned any belief whatsoever about Martians or Bush being directly involved with 911. Just because one holds reservations and is fairly well researched in history does NOT make one "hate" America. Hate the Elitists that are ruining America is one thing by they are NOT America. Please reconsider your accusations.
Your specific closing paragraph concludes to me your total ignorance in the political realities... Please do not insult my intelligence by making incinuations that someone who is not a RINO or a blind follower of any defunct political pawn is anti-American. Perhaps if you read many of my past posts you will conclude quite the opposite..... Believe me, I'm one of the biggest supporters of America on this forum. Ask any of the long time postors...
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So because elitists are ruining America automatically means that anything one chooses to think about them may be true?
There are people who say that America's elitists are conspiring with space aliens and are covering up Roswell, Area 51, etc. There are people who say that America's elitists do the bidding of the Mossad. There are people who say that America's elitists have invented the Holocaust.
You can't just believe whatever you want because Bush is bad. That is no argument.
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So because elitists are ruining America automatically means that anything one chooses to think about them may be true?
There are people who say that America's elitists are conspiring with space aliens and are covering up Roswell, Area 51, etc. There are people who say that America's elitists do the bidding of the Mossad. There are people who say that America's elitists have invented the Holocaust.
You can't just believe whatever you want because Bush is bad. That is no argument.
Did I ever mention any of that lunacy? NO. Please do not take me as an ignoramus, fool or a wackjob...that my friend would be a big mistake and totally incorrect....
You continue your blind following of another Establisment pawn and see where it takes you........
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What "Establishment pawn" am I blindly following?
Are you trying to say that I am a Bush-lover or what? Show me where I expressed support for Jorge Wahhabi Bush even once.
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Not at all, I'm simply stating that McCain and Obama are BOTH Establishment and both frauds of the same corrupt criminal cartel... That IS what I'm saying... No UFO's, No martians abducting people, no Mossad or Jewish World domination etc. Simply stating the facts... to which I don't expect to be condemned for simply holding my reservations based on knowledge not some wacked out theory...
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Most people here are not fans of Bush, Obama, or McCain.
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Funny, I just got a pm that states that anyone who insults McCain or happens to have no faith in him is either going to be banned or attacked as the forum has digressed into a Jews for McCain activist entity... Was she/he correct?
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I came back to this forum, probably as a detested individual like MassuhD and a few others, but as Rabbi Kahane himself often stated "I'm not here to impress people or make people like me, I'm here to make people think...." ;)
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Marz,
Your entitled to believe anything you want, including that the martians have taken over the world... That is not my business. I dont think Bush was behind 9/11 and there is no evidence that he did. If you dont care who wins why are you visiting the Jews Against Obama forum? I dont have time to argue with people who hate America. I work too hard to make America a great country to worry about those who are trying to destroy it.
Where do you stand... It sounds like you really dont care about America and will not do your part to make it better. I am a contributing member of society and have a lot to lose in the coming election. I will do what I can to prevent Obama from getting close to the White House. It sounds like some are only going to complain.
muman613
Sorry if you find this "offending" but I am totally disgusted by your ignorance and insults. I not once mentioned any belief whatsoever about Martians or Bush being directly involved with 911. Just because one holds reservations and is fairly well researched in history does NOT make one "hate" America. Hate the Elitists that are ruining America is one thing by they are NOT America. Please reconsider your accusations.
Your specific closing paragraph concludes to me your total ignorance in the political realities... Please do not insult my intelligence by making incinuations that someone who is not a RINO or a blind follower of any defunct political pawn is anti-American. Perhaps if you read many of my past posts you will conclude quite the opposite..... Believe me, I'm one of the biggest supporters of America on this forum. Ask any of the long time postors...
Two questions:
A) Are you going to vote in 2008?
B) Who are you voting for?
muman613
PS: I was not implying you believed in the UFOs and other things. I am just saying that complaining about the powers that be doesnt really accomplish much. I have said what I needed to say about how I feel about this government. I did not vote for Bush in 2000 nor did I vote for him in 2004. But I am glad that the person I voted for didnt win... Does anyone think Gore would have be better? Now I don't...
I vote for the party which I think will do the best good, or the least harm. I am not a right wing conservative and find McCain to agree on many policies. But there will always be differences.
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A. No and B. Will back in Israel.... In all honesty, it is a very sad situation. There is absolutely no candidtate. Any Establishment candidate that is chosen/selected/voted in is simply following a protocol that has been active since Woodrow Wilson and more specifically FDR.
Like it or not there, like in Israel, must be political reforms which Rabbi Kahane wrote a good work on.... ;)
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Funny, I just got a pm that states that anyone who insults McCain or happens to have no faith in him is either going to be banned or attacked as the forum has digressed into a Jews for McCain activist entity... Was she/he correct?
Marzutra, you know very well that we're no fans of McCain. We are adamantly against Barack Hussein Obama. Therefore, we're supporting McCain as the lesser of the evils. Now you might not see much of a difference, but I disagree.
If Obama becomes our next President, you can be sure he'll use the race card on anyone who dares disagree with, or who opposes him. And the Republicans are too spineless and too stupid to go after him and tear him down as he so much deserves.
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I have not read through all 5 pages of this, but I take the responsibility for this. This is the first user that I have ever banned. Technically I just reinstated an existing ban which had expired. I banned him because he was spamming our forum with extremely long posts. I see that some people feel more strongly about the ban than I do, so I'll let Admin and the other Mods sort this out.
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Yes Lisa, I do but following my receipt of a pm stating contra I must consider this information. I didn't say that I didn't disagree with you Lisa. Perhaps, as you state, is 100% truthful and planned from the get go as a political tactic?
Now that is something that I've considered for a long time. The difference is how fast the agenda will progress. If one researches the facts behind many Presidents, similar to Israel, the most deprave things have occured under the watch of the so-called "right wing" representatives while the open criminalities and socialist progressions have contiued unabated under the "Left Wing".
As a matter of fact Dr. Eugene Narrett from Www.IsraelEndTimes.Com has written an article about the possibilites/tactics/schema that you specifically state..... ;)
Like you, it is a no brainer who to actually vote for, but will your vote actually mean anything.... That is the point I'm trying to get accross... ;)
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Funny, I just got a pm that states that anyone who insults McCain or happens to have no faith in him is either going to be banned or attacked as the forum has digressed into a Jews for McCain activist entity... Was she/he correct?
Perhaps this person was purposely misleading you or has an axe to grind.
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There is a lot of specious reasoning going on here. Let me address two forms of it:
a: The fact that some conspiracies are real is not a blank-check to make up whatever you want and pass it off as true. We can't just invent our own realities. The fact that there are evil multinational schemes, often right before our eyes, isn't license to uncritically accept every crackpot's version of history and current events. One does not logically follow the other. The facts that (a) Bush is part of the NWO, and (b) that he is pro-Muslim and wants to legalize all the illegals, do not automatically validate (c), that he is behind 9/11. Several of you are arguing just that, though, in conflict with both observable facts and common sense.
CF, this is the key point in this whole debate. I don't have much time for this now, but you have hit the nail on the head. One cannot say "There are nefarious conspiracies among the establishment - Therefore Bush did 9/11. "
Or, "Bush is a bad guy and a stooge Therefore Bush did 9/11. " Or, "The Bin Laden family was allowed to leave the country shortly after 9/11 Therefore Bush did 9/11. ."
Either there's proof or there isn't. Circumstantial aspersions don't mean anything. The overwhelming proof is that this was an Islamic jihad. The overwhelming proof is that the buildings collapsed due to the scientific explanation and NOT due to controlled demolition. The overwhelming evidence proves that there was NOT controlled demolition of a SINGLE building on 9/11. If one doesn't like those facts, too bad. If one wishes it was the "evil cabal" behind 9/11 rather than just angry Jew-hating and infidel-hating upper middle class raghead jihadists working for al qaeda, TOO BAD. If you want to tell me the "war on terror" is a sham, ok... It is. It should have been a war on Islam. If you don't like Bush's response and his letting the Saudi regime off the hook for anything it feels like doing, OK I agree. That doesn't mean he did 9/11.
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Like "Global Warming"? ;)
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Like "Global Warming"? ;)
No, there is not overwhelming proof one way or the other. And this is a THEORETICAL subject. Not hard science. This is an absurd comparison. You knew that, so I wonder why bother saying it?
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Not an absurd comparison whatsoever. In many ways very comparable....
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Not an absurd comparison whatsoever. In many ways very comparable....
No it isn't. 9/11 is something that happened and left evidence as well as video footage. Global warming is something that some people PREDICT will happen, based on weather patterns. That you compare the two shows you are delusional and refuse to accept the truth if it contradicts your preconceptions.
If you have something of substance to say, then say it. Your winky winky face and vague insinuations to confuse people with false comparisons add nothing to this conversation.
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There is a lot of specious reasoning going on here. Let me address two forms of it:
a: The fact that some conspiracies are real is not a blank-check to make up whatever you want and pass it off as true. We can't just invent our own realities. The fact that there are evil multinational schemes, often right before our eyes, isn't license to uncritically accept every crackpot's version of history and current events. One does not logically follow the other. The facts that (a) Bush is part of the NWO, and (b) that he is pro-Muslim and wants to legalize all the illegals, do not automatically validate (c), that he is behind 9/11. Several of you are arguing just that, though, in conflict with both observable facts and common sense.
CF, this is the key point in this whole debate. I don't have much time for this now, but you have hit the nail on the head. One cannot say "There are nefarious conspiracies among the establishment - Therefore Bush did 9/11. "
Or, "Bush is a bad guy and a stooge Therefore Bush did 9/11. " Or, "The Bin Laden family was allowed to leave the country shortly after 9/11 Therefore Bush did 9/11. ."
Either there's proof or there isn't. Circumstantial aspersions don't mean anything. The overwhelming proof is that this was an Islamic jihad. The overwhelming proof is that the buildings collapsed due to the scientific explanation and NOT due to controlled demolition. The overwhelming evidence proves that there was NOT controlled demolition of a SINGLE building on 9/11. If one doesn't like those facts, too bad. If one wishes it was the "evil cabal" behind 9/11 rather than just angry Jew-hating and infidel-hating upper middle class raghead jihadists working for al qaeda, TOO BAD. If you want to tell me the "war on terror" is a sham, ok... It is. It should have been a war on Islam. If you don't like Bush's response and his letting the Saudi regime off the hook for anything it feels like doing, OK I agree. That doesn't mean he did 9/11.
C.F, Kahane-Was-Right BT:
Excellent posts, guys.
It's nice to see logical, well written responses to the insanity that's been propagated on this forum.
Thanks, and keep up the good work.
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Everyone should just move on
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That the earth is warming and that carbon levels are increasing are completely scientifically proven and no scientist disputes those facts. The why is what has not been proven and is up for debate in the scientific community.
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I do not want people slamming on Nik, PERIOD.
If he is a Rabbi - if he isn't... who are you to say? If you cannot prove the words you say in any way, then to quote opinion as fact is gossip and it is completely forbidden by G-d in the Torah for us to do such a thing. This is lashon hora.
He's a Jew who loves Israel, loves the Jewish people, loves the Torah, and obviously has his own opinions. We are commanded not to slander another Jew such as this so it stops now. And G-d help you if he really is a Rabbi because you will have to answer to Hashem. Nik never meant to harm a soul and only did this because he believes this stuff is true and cares. Yes, he broke the rules. Yes, his stuff sounded crazy to me... but it's just not right to use him as a punching bag so that yet another person can be cursed at like a bad jerry springer episode. I mean, what is this? Is this necessary? Actually... it's just cruel... and you know how I feel about people who are cruel.
I was not aware that Nik was banned until just this afternoon. I know the person who banned him would only do so under tough circumstances. Nik is not our enemy. He broke the rules (which is his fault) but it is very unfortunate that he was banned. I disagreed with him but I still think he is a good Jew.
No more.
-Shlomo
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Thank you Shlomo. I agree with your comments. I'm going to lock this thread if it's ok with you.