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he's a crazy extreme leftist
http://www.forward.com/articles/a-9-11-govt-conspiracy-i-wouldnt-be-surprised-sa/
A 9/11 Gov’t Conspiracy? ‘I Wouldn’t Be Surprised,’ Says Tikkun Editor
Daniel Treiman | Tue. Feb 06, 2007
Rabbi Michael Lerner, the longtime activist and editor of Tikkun magazine, has published an essay saying he is open to the possibility that the American government may have been behind the September 11 terrorist attacks.
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“I would not be surprised to learn that some branch of our government conspired either actively to promote or passively to allow the attack on 9/11,” Lerner wrote in an essay published in the new book, “9/11 and American Empire: Christians, Jews, and Muslims Speak Out.” Lerner added that he would also not be surprised if it turned out that the attacks were not the result of a government conspiracy.
“I am agnostic on the question of what happened on 9/11,” he wrote in his essay for the book, which includes articles by other contributors arguing that a government conspiracy was behind the September 11 attacks. “As other authors in this collection have shown, there are huge holes in the official story and contradictions that suggest that we do not know the whole story.”
Contacted by the Forward, Lerner repeatedly insisted that he was, in fact, “skeptical” — a word that did not appear in his essay — toward claims advanced by the book’s other contributors of a government conspiracy.
“I’m skeptical about this material, and I wrote this essay with a clear element of skepticism,” he said. “It was clear in my head that I was being very skeptical about what they were saying.”
Lerner, the founder of Tikkun and the newly formed Network of Spiritual Progressives, is arguably the most prominent contributor to “9/11 and American Empire.” In the 1990s he gained national attention after a meeting with then-first lady Hillary Clinton, during which they discussed his ideas about the need for a new “politics of meaning.” Since then, he has emerged as a leader of efforts to reconcile left-wing politics and religious belief, calling for a “Spiritual Covenant” to transform America.
The Berkeley, Calif.-based Renewal rabbi occupies a distinctive niche on the political landscape, keeping one foot planted in the Jewish community and the other in the world of left-wing activism. Maintaining credibility in both milieus has involved a delicate balancing act. Lerner, for instance, has been an outspoken critic of Israeli policies, but he also has firmly defended Israel’s right to exist. Recently, Lerner sent an e-mail to supporters saying that he had recently spoken on the phone with former president Jimmy Carter in an effort to build support for a left-wing pro-Israel lobby to take on more hawkish elements in the Jewish community.
The book in which Lerner’s essay appears is billed as having been “inspired by” David Ray Griffin’s “The New Pearl Harbor,” a seminal text of the so-called “9/11 Truth” movement. The new book includes an essay by Griffin in which he makes the case that the September 11 attacks were likely “orchestrated, like many previous false-flag attacks, by U.S. agents as a pretext for a war to expand the American empire.”
In his own essay for “9/11 and American Empire,” Lerner wrote: “For those who watched the reactionary political uses made of this tragedy, it’s easy to conjure up a variety of possible conspiratorial motives that would have led the president, the vice president, or some branch of the armed forces or CIA or FBI or other ‘security’ forces to have passively or actively participated in a plot to re-credit militarism and war. We’ve learned enough about the subsequent ways that the Bush administration lied to the American public to no longer be shocked if there had been some active involvement by them in these deeds.”
But, Lerner immediately added, “Neither would I be surprised if, when all the archives were opened and all the communications revealed, it turned out that there was some other non-conspiratorial explanation for elements of the story that currently seem to make no sense.”
Lerner told the Forward that he has good reason to be suspicious of the government.
“I’ve had a lot of personal experience of government lying and doing things that are very destructive and pretending that they weren’t doing it,” Lerner said. “I was part of antiwar demonstrations in which violence was done and the violence later turned out was being done by police agents. I had that personal experience…. After that, nothing surprises me about what this government would do to achieve what its perceived ends are. Nothing would surprise me. That doesn’t mean I believe it. That doesn’t mean that I believe that that’s actually happening right now.”
In his essay, Lerner argued that searching for conspiracies — “even when there are real conspiracies” — tends not to be politically useful. He wrote that focusing on conspiracy theories wrongly leads people to believe that “the major problems we face are those generated by evil people in powerful positions, not on something more systemic.” Lerner wrote that September 11 conspiracy theorists should work to create a “Spiritual Covenant” to heal American society.
Still, his essay offered words of encouragement to those who are engaged in such theorizing.
“I salute the people in this collection of articles who are doing an amazing job of examining what may prove to be one of the most perverse conspiracies in the history of democratic governments,” Lerner wrote.
Asked about this passage, Lerner responded, “It says ‘may.’ This is very tentative. It’s not like what I believe to be.” He added: “This is like a bone thrown to them to say, ‘Well, sure, keep up the good work, go and investigate.’ I don’t feel that this investigation is going to lead anyplace, but it might, and if it does, I don’t think that it’s going to produce a conspiracy of the president and the vice president…. I would be surprised if that turned out to be true. So maybe I shouldn’t say, as I said before, ‘I wouldn’t be surprised.’ I guess I would be a little surprised.”
Lerner said that Tikkun is planning to publish an article by Griffin in its March issue, which would be accompanied by “a little note saying if you go to our Web site, you’ll see why we don’t agree with this.” Although he says he does not agree with all of Griffin’s conclusions, Lerner said that Griffin — who has suggested that the Twin Towers were brought down by “controlled demolition” — draws attention to important unexplained facts about the attacks.
While Lerner is willing — if only skeptically — to entertain those who posit a plot by the American government, he has no such indulgence for another popular conspiracy theory, namely that Israel was behind the September 11 attacks. He said that whereas the Bush administration benefited politically from the attacks, and thus had a “plausible motivation,” Israel had no such interest in seeing the attacks occur.
“Anything about Israel and the relationship to 9/11,” Lerner said, “I think is total baloney.”
Tue. Feb 06, 2007
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"Rabbi" Michael Lerner.....JUDENRAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Hmmmmmm but don't you believe that there was something odd about the way the towers came down and other elements to the whole conspiracy? I’m not saying it wasn’t the terrorists, of course not, but there are some things that need to be taken into consideration, there may have been a hell of a lot more people involved in the planning. The terrorists didn't just wake up that morning and decide to bomb the WTC...
I read an article that said all the Jews never turned up at work on 9/11, presuming that they would fall? Is this true, why do some people have this view? Are they just anti-Semites and Jew haters? –I read this on an American website-. Also, I remember reading somewhere that there was no such thing as Al-Qaeda and Osama bin Laden was probably camping out in bush’s backyard lol……Its very confusing.
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Two massive planes filled with fuel are enough to takes buildings such as the World Trade Center down. The fire was the main culprit in the colapse. I really have problems featuring conspiracy theories into the scenario.
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Hmmmmmm but don't you believe that there was something odd about the way the towers came down and other elements to the whole conspiracy? I’m not saying it wasn’t the terrorists, of course not, but there are some things that need to be taken into consideration, there may have been a hell of a lot more people involved.
I read an article that said all the Jews never turned up at work on 9/11, presuming that they would fall? Is this true, why do some people have this view? Are they just anti-Semites and Jew haters? –I read this on an American website-. Also, I remember reading somewhere that there was no such thing as Al-Qaeda and Osama bin Laden was probably camping out in bush’s backyard lol……Its very confusing.
For those of you who thought that Sara was sincere about renouncing Islam (including me), this post puts all that into question. A lot of Jews died in the WTC Sara so that thing of Jews not showing up is made up.
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Hmmmmmm but don't you believe that there was something odd about the way the towers came down and other elements to the whole conspiracy? I’m not saying it wasn’t the terrorists, of course not, but there are some things that need to be taken into consideration, there may have been a hell of a lot more people involved.
I read an article that said all the Jews never turned up at work on 9/11, presuming that they would fall? Is this true, why do some people have this view? Are they just anti-Semites and Jew haters? –I read this on an American website-. Also, I remember reading somewhere that there was no such thing as Al-Qaeda and Osama bin Laden was probably camping out in bush’s backyard lol……Its very confusing.
No I don't believe there is something odd in the way the towers came down - I believe there is something odd in the way you think.
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Jdl4ever I read that comment on a website. IT IS NOT MY VIEW. I was asking you why these people made this up and said it. My renouncing Islam has nothing to do with it!!! I ABSOLUTLY CONDEMN ISLAMIC TERRORISTS AND THEIR EVIL WAYS. Please do not try and manipulate what I was trying to say and I'm sorry if you found it offensive but its not even a view of mine. I was stating what i read and questioning.
My heart goes out to everyone that died in the WTC and may the people who caused it receive a punishment worthwhile....
"Two massive planes filled with fuel are enough to takes buildings such as the World Trade Center down. The fire was the main culprit in the colapse. I really have problems featuring conspiracy theories into the scenario."
Yes i remember watching a documentary about it on BBC, there was a problem with the fire alarm and people weren't leaving the building............
The WTC came down vertically, is this because of its architectural structure or the way the planes crashed into the towers? I suppose they weren't pillars of any kind so they weren't coordinated to fall like they did.
It has been made such a fuss of-in terms of the conspiracy itself, not the aftermath and the death toll-, which has led some people into believing it was a conspiracy. People cannot except and want to run things through many times, searching for minuscule things to change the story. They cannot except it was due to terrorism.
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I agree with you.
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As a person who lives in New York City and was in viewing distance of the Towers that day I must say that this is a touchy Subject. It is my firm conviction that conspiracy theories are just a smoke screen to confuse the uninformed. Make no mistake that the attack on the buildings here in America on 911 were Muslim terrorist plots and nothing more.
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Sarah you just have to look up the peoples names you will find plenty of Jewish people
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Hmmmmmm but don't you believe that there was something odd about the way the towers came down and other elements to the whole conspiracy? I’m not saying it wasn’t the terrorists, of course not, but there are some things that need to be taken into consideration, there may have been a hell of a lot more people involved in the planning. The terrorists didn't just wake up that morning and decide to bomb the WTC...
I read an article that said all the Jews never turned up at work on 9/11, presuming that they would fall? Is this true, why do some people have this view? Are they just anti-Semites and Jew haters? –I read this on an American website-. Also, I remember reading somewhere that there was no such thing as Al-Qaeda and Osama bin Laden was probably camping out in bush’s backyard lol……Its very confusing.
http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html
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Jdl4ever I read that comment on a website. IT IS NOT MY VIEW. I was asking you why these people made this up and said it. My renouncing Islam has nothing to do with it!!! I ABSOLUTLY CONDEMN ISLAMIC TERRORISTS AND THEIR EVIL WAYS. Please do not try and manipulate what I was trying to say and I'm sorry if you found it offensive but its not even a view of mine. I was stating what i read and questioning.
My heart goes out to everyone that died in the WTC and may the people who caused it receive a punishment worthwhile....
"Two massive planes filled with fuel are enough to takes buildings such as the World Trade Center down. The fire was the main culprit in the colapse. I really have problems featuring conspiracy theories into the scenario."
Yes i remember watching a documentary about it on BBC, there was a problem with the fire alarm and people weren't leaving the building............
The WTC came down vertically, is this because of its architectural structure or the way the planes crashed into the towers? I suppose they weren't pillars of any kind so they weren't coordinated to fall like they did.
It has been made such a fuss of-in terms of the conspiracy itself, not the aftermath and the death toll-, which has led some people into believing it was a conspiracy. People cannot except and want to run things through many times, searching for minuscule things to change the story. They cannot except it was due to terrorism.
"Melted" Steel
CLAIM: "We have been lied to," announces the Web site AttackOnAmerica.net. "The first lie was that the load of fuel from the aircraft was the cause of structural failure. No kerosene fire can burn hot enough to melt steel." The posting is entitled "Proof Of Controlled Demolition At The WTC."
FACT: Jet fuel burns at 800° to 1500°F, not hot enough to melt steel (2750°F). However, experts agree that for the towers to collapse, their steel frames didn't need to melt, they just had to lose some of their structural strength--and that required exposure to much less heat. "I have never seen melted steel in a building fire," says retired New York deputy fire chief Vincent Dunn, author of The Collapse Of Burning Buildings: A Guide To Fireground Safety. "But I've seen a lot of twisted, warped, bent and sagging steel. What happens is that the steel tries to expand at both ends, but when it can no longer expand, it sags and the surrounding concrete cracks."
"Steel loses about 50 percent of its strength at 1100°F," notes senior engineer Farid Alfawak-hiri of the American Institute of Steel Construction. "And at 1800° it is probably at less than 10 percent." NIST also believes that a great deal of the spray-on fireproofing insulation was likely knocked off the steel beams that were in the path of the crashing jets, leaving the metal more vulnerable to the heat.
But jet fuel wasn't the only thing burning, notes Forman Williams, a professor of engineering at the University of California, San Diego, and one of seven structural engineers and fire experts that PM consulted. He says that while the jet fuel was the catalyst for the WTC fires, the resulting inferno was intensified by the combustible material inside the buildings, including rugs, curtains, furniture and paper. NIST reports that pockets of fire hit 1832°F.
"The jet fuel was the ignition source," Williams tells PM. "It burned for maybe 10 minutes, and [the towers] were still standing in 10 minutes. It was the rest of the stuff burning afterward that was responsible for the heat transfer that eventually brought them down."
http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html?page=4
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As a person who lives in New York City and was in viewing distance of the Towers that day I must say that this is a touchy Subject. It is my firm conviction that conspiracy theories are just a smoke screen to confuse the uninformed. Make no mistake that the attack on the buildings here in America on 911 were Muslim terrorist plots and nothing more.
CJD yes, they do confuse the uninformed, which includes the majority of the world who haven't experienced it like you have done. I cannot even imagine being at the scene, -Thank God you weren't hurt- yet i suppose every New Yorker was, by both the loss of its people, dignity and the sight of such a horrific act. Why do people do these things....... :( :-\ >:(
Azrom that is a good website, it explains how the pictures have been taken at odd angles and out of context which causes errors and problems.........
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Here are 2 more:
http://wtc.nist.gov/pubs/factsheets/faqs_8_2006.htm = National Institute of Standards and Technology: Fact Sheet
http://www.loosechangeguide.com/LooseChangeGuide.html = tons of info here.
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Chaim Ben Pesach stated in a interview on the TV show Israel Update that the people in power in this country[US] will do nothing to jeopordise their relations with the arabs with the oil they do business with including allowing thousands of Americans to die. Isn't this obvious? I don't understand why anyone would be so 100% sure it was ONLY arab muslim nazis working on 9/11. Here is a link to part 1 of the video series Chaim made this statement on[I am not sure in which of the 9 parts he says this, but it's there]; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAotrPLSAxA
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I have no use whatsoever for that Kike Michael Lerner.
That being said, I personally have "smelled a rat" from the very beginning of the 9/11 incident.
Nothing of the U.S. Government's "official story" adds up; missing pieces of critical info and news, as available elsewhere, do indeed provide the basis for a "conspiracy investigation".
Whichever persons or parties involved, if any can actually be shown to have either enabled the attack or actively participated in it, should be charged with the crimes and tried in a court of law.
I have read and re-read all of the websites offering their many reasons as well as their "proof" of who did it; all of which fall far short of "proving" their various accusations and theories.
Some of them indeed provide valuable facts and information not available elsewhere, others simply decided who it was that is guilty, and then set about to make their "facts" fit the charge.
There is one thing of which I am certain -- the "War On Terror" is in fact a "War OF Terror"; against both the American people as well as the Israeli people.
It would appear that this phony "war" is the pretext for the Globalists' assault on the U.S. Constitution & assault on U.S. sovereignty; the goal being establishment of three major world Feudal Fiefdoms under UN dictatorial control.
As always, just follow the money trail.
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I have no use whatsoever for that Kike Michael Lerner.
That being said, I personally have "smelled a rat" from the very beginning of the 9/11 incident.
Nothing of the U.S. Government's "official story" adds up; missing pieces of critical info and news, as available elsewhere, do indeed provide the basis for a "conspiracy investigation".
Whichever persons or parties involved, if any can actually be shown to have either enabled the attack or actively participated in it, should be charged with the crimes and tried in a court of law.
I have read and re-read all of the websites offering their many reasons as well as their "proof" of who did it; all of which fall far short of "proving" their various accusations and theories.
Some of them indeed provide valuable facts and information not available elsewhere, others simply decided who it was that is guilty, and then set about to make their "facts" fit the charge.
There is one thing of which I am certain -- the "War On Terror" is in fact a "War OF Terror"; against both the American people as well as the Israeli people.
It would appear that this phony "war" is the pretext for the Globalists' assault on the U.S. Constitution & assault on U.S. sovereignty; the goal being establishment of three major world Feudal Fiefdoms under UN dictatorial control.
As always, just follow the money trail.
Maybe I'm crazy but I don't see anything fishy about 9/11.
Two planes flew into the WTC which could not have been wired with explosives without anyone knowing.
One plane was brought down over PA. We have evidence from flight seat records and air phone records that Arab terrorists were on that plane. We know it was not shot down because a missile would have been sort of obvious with hundreds of reporters meandering about.
A plane flew into the Pentagon. If you think it was a missile, you are a lunatic beyond help.
There is no conspiracy other than Islam's determination to murder us and George Wahabi Bush not wanting to jeapordize the flow of oil.
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Yesha writes: "...If you think it was a missile, you are a lunatic beyond help..."
The interjection into my post suggesting that I was a possible proponent of the "missile" conspiracy-contraversy regarding the Pentagon explosion, besides my having never once mentioned any such argument in my post, renders the poster's assertions to be lacking in substance; perhaps due to lack of information.
Therefore, I post this link to the archive of one superb & independent investigative journalist:
http://www.madcowprod.com/archiveearly.html (http://www.madcowprod.com/archiveearly.html)
I recommend all JTF members start at the very beginning of his investigations into the financing and background history of one Mohammed Atta, and continue reading each and every successive piece in chronological order.
No small task and no quick read here.
Finally, let me say that my opinion of the 9/11 debacle "stinking to high heaven" was my own conclusion, not based on information provided to me by others.
The passage of "The Patriot Act", following the attacks (which is even more extreme than Hitler's "Enabling Act For The Defense of Germany" which he passed following the Reichstag Fire), ended permanently any semblance of Constitutional Government as well as Constitutional Rights in America.
Exactly two weeks later following 9/11, came the day of a press conference which should be known to future historians as "The Day America Lost Its "War On Terror", when then Secretary of State Colin Powell publicly stated the following:
"The suicide bombings and other attacks against Israel ARE NOT TERRORISM; they are ACTS OF LEGITIMATE RESISTANCE TO ZIONIST OCCUPATION".
Smell anything yet?...like, maybe, .....a RAT?
Any Jew here believing that relinquishing your Constitutional Rights to George W. Bush and his gang of thugs, so that he can better protect you and the world against "Terror", might better just go on and fire a bullet into his own head right now, and save yourself the unpleasant trip to the concentration camps coming your way.
Once gone (and, rest assured THEY ARE PERMANENTLY GONE), your rights CAN NOT and WILL NOT be restored.
The usual argument heard daily from those ignorant of history and law goes like this:
"Look! Has anyone come and taken you or me away???"...."NO!"...
"So this proves that you are a conspiracy nut and that the Patriot Act IS WORKING to protect America!".
Unfortunately for us all, when tomorrow, say, a Hillary Arafat Clinton or a David Duke assume legal control of the Presidency, and along with it the full weight and power of the United States Of America, they will then be the sole and only authority deciding to use the unconstitutional Patriot Act to arrest & detain without any charges & without right to counsel, perhaps "permanently", any suspect they deem to be a "person of interest", "possible terror suspect", or simply "person or persons affiliated with, or lending support to, any or all terrorist groups".
Of course, TORTURE, as defined by International Laws and International Treaties, is now standard fare practice in America, thanks to the Nazis in power in Washington.
Just a month ago, when questioned at a press conference, President Bush issued the following statement regarding exactly whom in the Middle East were considered by the United States Government to be "the terrorists":
"A Terrorist is anyone opposing the "2-State Solution" ...to the*** Conflict".
Don't believe me?.....look it up for yourself.
*** It appears that an Administrator here on the JTF Forum has taken it upon himself to deliberately misquote and/or misconstrue my actual words by substituting their own choice of words for the actual ones written by me in the quotation above by President Bush.....
I noticed this just now when previewing my post of 02/11/07 written 12:15am.
This behavior I will not tolerate under any circumstances.
If I want censorship or media spin, I can get all of it and more from Olmert and his Bolsheviks!!!!!!!!!!
If the current Forum Administrator wants to drive me off of this Forum, as well as away from JTF, they are doing a good job of it.
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Yesha writes: "...If you think it was a missile, you are a lunatic beyond help..."
The interjection into my post suggesting that I was a possible proponent of the "missile" conspiracy-contraversy regarding the Pentagon explosion, besides my having never once mentioned any such argument in my post, renders the poster's assertions to be lacking in substance; perhaps due to lack of information.
Therefore, I post this link to the archive of one superb & independent investigative journalist:
http://www.madcowprod.com/archiveearly.html (http://www.madcowprod.com/archiveearly.html)
I recommend all JTF members start at the very beginning of his investigations into the financing and background history of one Mohammed Atta, and continue reading each and every successive piece in chronological order.
No small task and no quick read here.
Finally, let me say that my opinion of the 9/11 debacle "stinking to high heaven" was my own conclusion, not based on information provided to me by others.
The passage of "The Patriot Act", following the attacks (which is even more extreme than Hitler's "Enabling Act For The Defense of Germany" which he passed following the Reichstag Fire), ended permanently any semblance of Constitutional Government as well as Constitutional Rights in America.
Exactly two weeks later following 9/11, came the day of a press conference which should be known to future historians as "The Day America Lost Its "War On Terror", when then Secretary of State Colin Powell publicly stated the following:
"The suicide bombings and other attacks against Israel ARE NOT TERRORISM; they are ACTS OF LEGITIMATE RESISTANCE TO ZIONIST OCCUPATION".
Smell anything yet?...like, maybe, .....a RAT?
Any Jew here believing that relinquishing your Constitutional Rights to George W. Bush and his gang of thugs, so that he can better protect you and the world against "Terror", might better just go on and fire a bullet into his own head right now, and save yourself the unpleasant trip to the concentration camps coming your way.
Once gone (and, rest assured THEY ARE PERMANENTLY GONE), your rights CAN NOT and WILL NOT be restored.
The usual argument heard daily from those ignorant of history and law goes like this:
"Look! Has anyone come and taken you or me away???"...."NO!"...
"So this proves that you are a conspiracy nut and that the Patriot Act IS WORKING to protect America!".
Unfortunately for us all, when tomorrow, say, a Hillary Arafat Clinton or a David Duke assume legal control of the Presidency, and along with it the full weight and power of the United States Of America, they will then be the sole and only authority deciding to use the unconstitutional Patriot Act to arrest & detain without any charges & without right to counsel, perhaps "permanently", any suspect they deem to be a "person of interest", "possible terror suspect", or simply "person or persons affiliated with, or lending support to, any or all terrorist groups".
Of course, TORTURE, as defined by International Laws and International Treaties, is now standard fare practice in America, thanks to the Nazis in power in Washington.
Just a month ago, when questioned at a press conference, President Bush issued the following statement regarding exactly whom in the Middle East were considered by the United States Government to be "the terrorists":
"A Terrorist is anyone opposing the "2-State Solution" ...to the*** Conflict".
Don't believe me?.....look it up for yourself.
*** It appears that an Administrator here on the JTF Forum has taken it upon himself to deliberately misquote and/or misconstrue my actual words by substituting their own choice of words for the actual ones written by me in the quotation above by President Bush.....
I noticed this just now when previewing my post of 02/11/07 written 12:15am.
This behavior I will not tolerate under any circumstances.
If I want censorship or media spin, I can get all of it and more from Olmert and his Bolsheviks!!!!!!!!!!
If the current Forum Administrator wants to drive me off of this Forum, as well as away from JTF, they are doing a good job of it.
9/11 conspiracy theories should not be peddled on a board of this caliber.
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A Jewish State writes:
"...9/11 conspiracy theories should not be peddled on a board of this caliber..."
I'M NOT "PEDDLING" ANYTHING, JERKFACE.
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A Jewish State writes:
"...9/11 conspiracy theories should not be peddled on a board of this caliber..."
I'M NOT "PEDDLING" ANYTHING, JERKFACE.
Ad hominem insults should not be tolerated here either. Listen, we've both been posting on this forum for quite some time and I can't recall having a personal issue with anyone. Stop trying to make something out of nothing. Clearly you are agitated by my position that 9/11 happened as outlined by the 9/11 Commission Report. Yes, 9/11 was preventable. No, Bush did not 'let it happen'. As stupid, narrow-minded and idiotic as his policies usually are, you are skating on some thin ice when you suggest that he enabled it to happen. If someone takes offense at you insinuating this, then you need to spend less time on the interwebs.
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*** It appears that an Administrator here on the JTF Forum . . . substitut[ed] their own choice of words for the actual ones written by me . . . "
One actually felt it necessary to open up one of my posts and change "the Romans sacked Jerusalem in 70 AD/CE" to "the Romans sacked Jerusalem in 70 CE" -- which was certainly an enlightened edit.
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*** It appears that an Administrator here on the JTF Forum . . . substitut[ed] their own choice of words for the actual ones written by me . . . "
One actually felt it necessary to open up one of my posts and change "the Romans sacked Jerusalem in 70 AD/CE" to "the Romans sacked Jerusalem in 70 CE" -- which was certainly an enlightened edit.
lol
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"...As stupid, narrow-minded and idiotic as his policies usually are, you are skating on some thin ice when you suggest that he enabled it to happen. If someone takes offense at you insinuating this, then you need to spend less time on the interwebs...
STUFF IT.
WHAT YOU THINK YOU KNOW WOULDN'T EVEN FILL A THIMBLE.
I HAVEN'T "INSINUATED" A SINGLE THING IN MY PREVIOUS POSTS.
THE INSINUATIONS ALL BEGIN RIGHT HERE:
IF YOU YOURSELF HAVE TAKEN "OFFENSE" AT ANYTHING WHICH I TO DATE HAVE WRITTEN IN EITHER MY POSTS OF MY REPLIES, THEN IT IS BECAUSE YOU YOURSELF ARE AN OFFENSIVE DOLT, INCAPABLE OF THINKING FOR YOURSELF, AND INCAPABLE OF ADDRESSING IN ANY WAY, SHAPE, FACT, OR DETAIL, A SINGLE IOTA OF FACT TO BACK UP YOUR INSOLENT AND OBNOXIOUS ATTITUDE.
YOU'RE A STUPID FOOL AND A MORON TO BOOT, AND IF YOU'RE SMART YOU'LL GET "OUT OF MY FACE", AND OUT OF MY POSTS AND REPLIES AS WELL, UNLESS YOU ACTUALLY HAVE FACTS AND DETAILS WITH WHICH TO DISCUSS ANY OF THEM.
FURTHERMORE, I'LL POST ON THE JTF FORUM WHICHEVER LINKS I CHOOSE, REGARDING WHICHEVER SUBJECT MATTER I CHOOSE, IF I DEEM THEM IMPORTANT AND VALID INFORMATION FOR FOLLOWERS OF RABBI MEIR KAHANE.
THINK YOU'RE MORE "INTELLIGENT" THAN ME, OR MORE "EDUCATED" THAN ME, OR THAT YOU'RE MORE OF A "TRUE ZIONIST" THAN ME?
IF SO YOU'RE SERIOUSLY DELUSIONAL, AND DUE FOR A MAJOR "MAKEOVER" REGARDING YOUR OVERINFLATED SELF-IMAGE.
MassuhDGooDName
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idiots in the FBI CIA let it happen.
Chaim met with FBI agent John O'Neill and basically predicted both attacks and the people involved.
O'Neill finally saw the light and pushed to get the terrorists investigated.
sounds like he finally started to see JTF knows whats going on.
then he either quit, got too frustrated at higher-ups, or got fired.
his new job was head of security at World Trade Center. he got killed his 1st or 2nd day on the job when the planes hit.
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I do not know enough about the mechanics of 9/11 to comment on that, but I will comment on Dykael Wormer.
I hereby propose that somebody reading this find Lerner, jab a needle into his arm, get a nice thick syringe full of blood, and ship it off ASAP to an employee-screening lab. My guess will be that Lerner's humors will prove to be a chemical plant in microcosm. The question shouldn't be whether he's on crack, heroin, whatever--it should be is there a drug he hasn't done. Left-wing self-hating faggots are a dime a dozen, but Lerner's nonsense crosses the line of standard kneejerk liberal idiocy into the realm of crackheads (and other dope addicts) and mental patients. He has to be smoking some pretty powerful stuff to come up with the garbage that he does.
For this reason I don't think we should hate the man, but pity him. He's in the same category as Robert Downey Jr., Lindsay Lohan, Nicole Ritchie, the late Anna Nicole, etc.--a helpless and possessed junkie, plain and simple.
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"...As stupid, narrow-minded and idiotic as his policies usually are, you are skating on some thin ice when you suggest that he enabled it to happen. If someone takes offense at you insinuating this, then you need to spend less time on the interwebs...
STUFF IT.
WHAT YOU THINK YOU KNOW WOULDN'T EVEN FILL A THIMBLE.
I HAVEN'T "INSINUATED" A SINGLE THING IN MY PREVIOUS POSTS.
THE INSINUATIONS ALL BEGIN RIGHT HERE:
IF YOU YOURSELF HAVE TAKEN "OFFENSE" AT ANYTHING WHICH I TO DATE HAVE WRITTEN IN EITHER MY POSTS OF MY REPLIES, THEN IT IS BECAUSE YOU YOURSELF ARE AN OFFENSIVE DOLT, INCAPABLE OF THINKING FOR YOURSELF, AND INCAPABLE OF ADDRESSING IN ANY WAY, SHAPE, FACT, OR DETAIL, A SINGLE IOTA OF FACT TO BACK UP YOUR INSOLENT AND OBNOXIOUS ATTITUDE.
YOU'RE A STUPID FOOL AND A MORON TO BOOT, AND IF YOU'RE SMART YOU'LL GET "OUT OF MY FACE", AND OUT OF MY POSTS AND REPLIES AS WELL, UNLESS YOU ACTUALLY HAVE FACTS AND DETAILS WITH WHICH TO DISCUSS ANY OF THEM.
FURTHERMORE, I'LL POST ON THE JTF FORUM WHICHEVER LINKS I CHOOSE, REGARDING WHICHEVER SUBJECT MATTER I CHOOSE, IF I DEEM THEM IMPORTANT AND VALID INFORMATION FOR FOLLOWERS OF RABBI MEIR KAHANE.
THINK YOU'RE MORE "INTELLIGENT" THAN ME, OR MORE "EDUCATED" THAN ME, OR THAT YOU'RE MORE OF A "TRUE ZIONIST" THAN ME?
IF SO YOU'RE SERIOUSLY DELUSIONAL, AND DUE FOR A MAJOR "MAKEOVER" REGARDING YOUR OVERINFLATED SELF-IMAGE.
MassuhDGooDName
Let me refresh your memory on the rules of this forum because I don't want you to be banned. I've been very patient with your abuse in the last several posts, starting with 'jerkface'. All I am proposing is that the nature of your discussion on 9/11 is inappropriate, quite frankly. You are the one limiting debate by throwing around personal insults and ad hominems for no reason.
"Threats and personal insults are not acceptable, and will lead to the banning of members who engage in such conduct. The administrators may decide to first provide a warning to any member making threats or personal insults, or may to decide to ban such members immediately."
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MassuhDGoodName's newly acquired fan club addresses him in a stern fashion: "...Let me refresh your memory on the rules of this forum because I don't want you to be banned. I've been very patient with your abuse..."
Why thank you, I aim to please. ;) :D ;D
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Whoa, chaim met with the FBI to discuss his predictions…….
I never understand on what basis the FBI and CIA operate. They work with Bush right? Or go their own separate ways……they seem to make some decisions for the country. Does JTF approve of both the FBI or CIA? Or is it just a personal opinion for some. Politics seems to be jumbled up in America, I never understand how they work things out, yet they’ve got a phenomenal threshold of power.
Actually Macknab, was that post serious or sarcastic? I’m confused now….
Lol massuhdgoodname.
A jewish state, who is the man in your avatar?
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Lol i got over excited and confused myself. Happens often. That would be a fitting meaning of the W, yes. Though there are probably more imaginitive ones to suit. :)
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A jewish state, who is the man in your avatar?
It was Yair Stern but it is now Ze'ev Jabotinsky of Etzel [aka Irgun]. So many Jewish heroes to choose from!
Too bad Jewish children do not learn about them in day school.
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Not to hijack the current train of discussion too much, but does anyone agree with me that Lerner is a big dopehead? I mean, he did grow up and come of age in the '60s... :o
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Lerner, isnt a rabbi he is a total nutjob who mistakes Judaism for Marxism
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Lerner, isnt a rabbi he is a total nutjob who mistakes Judaism for Marxism
AMEN
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No one wants to diss Wormer with me anymore? ??? :P
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