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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Chaim Ben Pesach on September 17, 2008, 11:53:05 PM
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The McCain-Palin ticket had clear momentum and was leading in most polls until two days ago. Now with the financial crisis on Wall Street, Barack Hussein Obama is gaining in the polls once again and has actually moved back into the lead. Four new national polls were taken in the past several days:
1. CBS News/NY Times - Taken from 9/12 to 9/16: Obama - 49%; McCain - 44%. Obama leads by 5%. A week ago, McCain was ahead in this poll by 2%. http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/Sep08b-Elec.pdf
2. Gallup Tracking - 9/14 to 9/16: Obama - 47%; McCain - 45%. Obama leads by 2%. Only a week ago, McCain was ahead in this poll by 5%. http://www.gallup.com/poll/110446/Gallup-Daily-Obama-47-McCain-45.aspx
3. Rasmussen Tracking - 9/14 to 9/16: McCain - 48%; Obama - 47%. This is the only one out of the four polls that shows McCain with any lead, a lead of 1%. Several days ago, McCain led in this poll by 3%. http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/daily_presidential_tracking_poll
4. Hotline/FD Tracking - 9/14 to 9/16: Obama - 45%; McCain - 42%. Obama leads by 3%. http://diageohotlinepoll.com/documents/diageohotlinepoll/DiageoHotlineTracker091708release.pdf
Voters traditionally punish the party that controls the White House when there is an economic crisis.
But this is truly insane. How can voters believe that an "affirmative action" black Muslim like Barack Hussein Obama will fix the economy? Has there ever been a well-run economy in any part of black Africa? Has the economy ever been well-run in Obama's native Kenya? Have black mayors in America's major cities run the city economies well? When blacks take over, what happens to the economy? What happened to South Africa and Rhodesia? What happened to New York under David Dinkins? Or Newark under James Sharpe? Or Philadelphia under John Street? Or Detroit? Or Washington DC? Or Atlanta? Or New Orleans? Putting all of America under this type of "leadership" will fix our economy?!
The problem is no one has the guts to say this. And if someone does tell the truth, even Republicans and "conservatives" will condemn them for "racism".
Oh how I wish JTF were a mass movement! If we were a mass movement, FINALLY someone would tell the truth!
We have got to spread the word about our web site, our forum and our videos. We have to post links to our web site and/or our forum on key newspaper web sites. Otherwise we will face a disaster on November 4, G-d forbid!
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And just how will Barack Obama fix the economy? He's got no clue.
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And just how will Barack Obama fix the economy? He's got no clue.
Hi,
Maybe he will increase taxes, increase welfare spending, and prevent drilling for oil. Of course all these things will send the economy into a tailspin, and Obama will sit back and blame it on us, the Jews.
muman613
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Obama can't even figure out how many states there are, how can he crunch the math to know what to do with the economy? I wish McCain hadn't blurted out that stupid thing about not understanding the economy well. The difference with McCain here is that he will at least surround himself with smart people. Obama's appointments will all be affirmative action flops just as stupid as himself.
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Also I couldnt believe the comment by Carly Fiorina.
What a complete fool. That did not help.
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Right, blacks always blame the Jews...for helping them.
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Right, blacks always blame the Jews...for helping them.
They think they're entitled to that help anyway so why should they be thankful? They are extremely frustrating! >:(
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Also, history has shown time and time again, that when a socialist government takes over in hard economic times, the economy gets much much worse. The idea that you can climb your way out of a bad economy by tying the hands of business owners, increasing taxes, and going further into debt to establish doomed social programs, is insane!
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The McCain-Palin ticket had clear momentum and was leading in most polls until two days ago. Now with the financial crisis on Wall Street, Barack Hussein Obama is gaining in the polls once again and has actually moved back into the lead. Four new national polls were taken in the past several days:
1. CBS News/NY Times - Taken from 9/12 to 9/16: Obama - 49%; McCain - 44%. Obama leads by 5%. A week ago, McCain was ahead in this poll by 2%. http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/Sep08b-Elec.pdf
2. Gallup Tracking - 9/14 to 9/16: Obama - 47%; McCain - 45%. Obama leads by 2%. Only a week ago, McCain was ahead in this poll by 5%. http://www.gallup.com/poll/110446/Gallup-Daily-Obama-47-McCain-45.aspx
3. Rasmussen Tracking - 9/14 to 9/16: McCain - 48%; Obama - 47%. This is the only one out of the four polls that shows McCain with any lead, a lead of 1%. Several days ago, McCain led in this poll by 3%. http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/daily_presidential_tracking_poll
4. Hotline/FD Tracking - 9/14 to 9/16: Obama - 45%; McCain - 42%. Obama leads by 3%. http://diageohotlinepoll.com/documents/diageohotlinepoll/DiageoHotlineTracker091708release.pdf
Voters traditionally punish the party that controls the White House when there is an economic crisis.
But this is truly insane. How can voters believe that an "affirmative action" black Muslim like Barack Hussein Obama will fix the economy? Has there ever been a well-run economy in any part of black Africa? Has the economy ever been well-run in Obama's native Kenya? Have black mayors in America's major cities run the city economies well? When blacks take over, what happens to the economy? What happened to South Africa and Rhodesia? What happened to New York under David Dinkins? Or Newark under James Sharpe? Or Philadelphia under John Street? Or Detroit? Or Washington DC? Or Atlanta? Or New Orleans? Putting all of America under this type of "leadership" will fix our economy?!
The problem is no one has the guts to say this. And if someone does tell the truth, even Republicans and "conservatives" will condemn them for "racism".
Oh how I wish JTF were a mass movement! If we were a mass movement, FINALLY someone would tell the truth!
We have got to spread the word about our web site, our forum and our videos. We have to post links to our web site and/or our forum on key newspaper web sites. Otherwise we will face a disaster on November 4, G-d forbid!
One thing I can guarantee you is that JTF will not become a mass movement if it takes the position that Osama won't be able to successfully manage the economy because he's Black.
Of course, every example you gave in your post is factually correct. But the reality is it will be construed as being racist, regardless of whether the facts back it up or not.
It's one thing to hammer Osama for his extreme liberalism, his close assocations with known Marxists and Communists, and the Democrap propensity to tax and spend like crazy -- it's another thing to say he'll fail because Blacks are incapable of successfully managing the economy.
That's just not the way to become a mass movement... even if alot of people secretly share our sentiments.
There's plenty of ammo to blast Osama with. Bringing his race into it is counter-productive and unnecessary.
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Yes, I expected this to happend. Lets just hope things dont get too horrible by late October.
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Just to add to this. Rassmussen actually says that Mccain is now favored on Economic issues. This would seem to contradict whats happening in the polls. At any rate... people tend to behave very irrationally when the economy is in turmoil.
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And this problem originated with the Libs Banks used to avoid loans to people who didn't work and didn't have credit along came the libs and Clinton who said these bums should have homes as well. That was a big risk so banks and mortgage companies started giving loans and credit to people who had no credit or jobs.The greedy bankers and mortgage brokers were all to happy to take these high risks because they knew the govt would bail them out with your tax dollars.Jesse Jackson was the leader in stopping the red lining..BTW gold went up 91% ;D
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There is NOTHING that the moZ can do about this economy. NOTHING. There is nothing ANY person can do, people NEED to see this. The point is HOW to get them to SEE it.
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mord u've stated the heart of the problem ....
subprime market = affirmative action for people
who cant afford a house in the first place ...(black or white)
its the elephant in the room the media ignores it
subprime by definition means no or little job income required...
no down payment, zero proof of income ...
there used to be a rule rule of thumb ratio between
income and monthly mortgage ...that ratio was eliminated..
low doc beccame no doc
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Prediction: McCain-Palin will win by a landslide (Gd willing) and Obama will go into hiding much like Gore and Kerry. (Gd willing)
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Prediction: McCain-Palin will win by a landslide (Gd willing) and Obama will go into hiding much like Gore and Kerry. (Gd willing)
I hope so i think McCain has to let Sarah Palin be Sarah Palin i think people will see her common sense come through
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There is NOTHING that the moZ can do about this economy. NOTHING. There is nothing ANY person can do, people NEED to see this. The point is HOW to get them to SEE it.
By McCain stop being so PCand explaining how this all happened
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If Obama would take office, wouln't he be instructed by others what do ?
It seems to me, that political leaders around the globe are just puppets, nothing more.
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If Obama would take office, wouln't he be instructed by others what do ?
It seems to me, that political leaders around the globe are just puppets, nothing more.
No, he wouldn't be instructed. He'd be advised.
Believe it or not, political leaders around the globe do formulate policy.
Sure, there are powerful interest groups that exert undue influence on the decision making process, but it's a serious error to think political leaders are merely puppets of some unseen hand guiding all their actions.
If your 'puppet' theory is correct, then it makes no difference who gets elected. And if that's what you believe, then one must wonder why you'd waste your time joining a group like JewsAgainstObama.
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No, he wouldn't be instructed. He'd be advised.
Believe it or not, political leaders around the globe do formulate policy.
Sure, there are powerful interest groups that exert undue influence on the decision making process, but it's a serious error to think political leaders are merely puppets of some unseen hand guiding all their actions.
If your 'puppet' theory is correct, then it makes no difference who gets elected. And if that's what you believe, then one must wonder why you'd waste your time joining a group like JewsAgainstObama.
His 'puppet' theory is correct.
Furthermore, Ambiorix was here long before 'Jews Against Obama'.
Voting is indeed a waste of time.
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I am so sorry to hear this.
Hussein is a Socialist and everything he will do will make the economic shape of the USA more worse. :'(
Socialism lead everytime to great suffering. This is a fact proven by history.
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There is NOTHING that the moZ can do about this economy. NOTHING. There is nothing ANY person can do, people NEED to see this. The point is HOW to get them to SEE it.
You are right Paullette. I think a very important point is that when the economy is in turmoil, Politicians can only make things worse. (IE FDR)
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His 'puppet' theory is correct.
Furthermore, Ambiorix was here long before 'Jews Against Obama'.
Voting is indeed a waste of time.
Who says McCain isn't a socialist as well? I think it is indeed "choosing a worst of evils"
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Who says McCain isn't a socialist as well? I think it is indeed "choosing a worst of evils"
So what are you doing in this country? If you don't like america you are free to leave. I am a proud American and it makes me sick that so many people are just as AntiAmerican as Obama. It is sick. If you think all the politicians are the same then you are just a victim, and its the systems fault. I refuse to agree with your perssimism and your slandering of our great country.
It is not something which should be discussed, especially while we are trying to win an election here.
muman613
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So what are you doing in this country? If you don't like america you are free to leave. I am a proud American and it makes me sick that so many people are just as AntiAmerican as Obama. It is sick. If you think all the politicians are the same then you are just a victim, and its the systems fault. I refuse to agree with your perssimism and your slandering of our great country.
It is not something which should be discussed, especially while we are trying to win an election here.
muman613
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As you can see on this map, I don't live in the USA.
I am not anti-american, I am against the american big corporations & establishment that are turning the USA
into a Third World banana republic.
McCain is horrible on illigal aliens, and border protection, but wants to give Russia a warning...
Why isn' any of the candidates willing to place the USA army on th mexican border?
I saw the speeches of Obama , McCAin and Palin on their respective conventions, and I am horrified by the naivity, the simplicity of those speeches.
I don't have sympathy at all for any of these people. They are just puppets, controlled by lobbies and maffia, that are destroying the USA, as well as any other nation on this planet.
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I think Obama ShR"Y would take advantage of the economic downturn to make as many Americans as possible government-dependent. He wants many more people on welfare and more people to live from redundant government jobs.
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His 'puppet' theory is correct.
Furthermore, Ambiorix was here long before 'Jews Against Obama'.
Voting is indeed a waste of time.
That's your opinion.
But it's not shared by Chaim, or the majority of the posters here.
While Ambiorix might have been here before 'JewsAgainstObama', JTF'S main effort right now is to see that Osama is defeated.
That's because we're convinced that there is indeed a difference between the candidates, and that voting is not a waste of time.
The vast majority of us feel that it's of the utmost importance that the Israel hating, Jew hating, America hating Muslim not ascend to the presidency.
If you're so certain that there isn't any difference between McCain and Obama then it would behoove you to just stay silent on the sideline and NOT undermine the efforts of the rest of JTF that thinks it IS important to vote and to defeat Obama.
You don't think it matters who is elected ? That's fine. Just as long as you realize that's not JTF's position, and by encouraging people not to vote or mobilize against Obama, you are undermining the efforts of this organization.
Frankly, I'm surprised that only muman613 and myself have challenged you on this issue so far. I'm not going to suggest you leave the country, but I am going to suggest you show some consideration to the rest of JTF and not undermine our efforts.
Thanks.
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I think Obama ShR"Y would take advantage of the economic downturn to make as many Americans as possible government-dependent. He wants many more people on welfare and more people to live from redundant government jobs.
Indeed this is his plan. Welfare is an instrument for dominance and against freedom. >:(
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That's your opinion.
But it's not shared by Chaim, or the majority of the posters here.
While Ambiorix might have been here before 'JewsAgainstObama', JTF'S main effort right now is to see that Osama is defeated.
That's because we're convinced that there is indeed a difference between the candidates, and that voting is not a waste of time.
The vast majority of us feel that it's of the utmost importance that the Israel hating, Jew hating, America hating Muslim not ascend to the presidency.
If you're so certain that there isn't any difference between McCain and Obama then it would behoove you to just stay silent on the sideline and NOT undermine the efforts of the rest of JTF that thinks it IS important to vote and to defeat Obama.
You don't think it matters who is elected ? That's fine. Just as long as you realize that's not JTF's position, and by encouraging people not to vote or mobilize against Obama, you are undermining the efforts of this organization.
Frankly, I'm surprised that only muman613 and myself have challenged you on this issue so far. I'm not going to suggest you leave the country, but I am going to suggest you show some consideration to the rest of JTF and not undermine our efforts.
Thanks.
Are you attempting to censor me?
I never said that there was no difference between Obama and McCain and I never encouraged people to not mobilize agains Obama. Don't put words in my mouth.
Thank you for not asking me to leave the country.
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Does McCain have a plan to rescue the USA and it's 9 trillion $ deficit?
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McCain is not what JTF wanted, and certainly not what I wanted. However he's what we've got as a choice this time. It makes me angry that Americans have to choose between McCain and Obama and none of the more appealing candidates like Hunter or even Huckabee ever had a chance. >:(
I'd like to put together an ask JTF question sometime but I don't know how to word it. It would go something like this: Why are Americans so stupid? Of course not all Americans are stupid, but... it sure does seem like the majority are when they pick dreck like this. I mean seriously.... Barack Hussein Obama, in the USA? This is really screwed up... >:( :'(
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Just wait for the Debates. Espassaly Sarah Palin. Biden can't keep his mouth shut. I saw a video of Biden toady from January calling himself a zionist :laugh:
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Just wait for the Debates. Espassaly Sarah Palin. Biden can't keep his mouth shut. I saw a video of Biden toady from January calling himself a zionist :laugh:
:o WHAT :o
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Are you attempting to censor me?
Nope, just politely asking you not to undermine JTF's efforts against Obama by telling the members here that voting is a waste of time.
I never said that there was no difference between Obama and McCain and I never encouraged people to not mobilize agains Obama. Don't put words in my mouth.
Telling people that the candidates are merely puppets, suggests that there isn't a difference between them, unless you think there's a different puppet master pulling their strings.
If you do think there is a difference between Obama and McCain, then why would voting for the better (or less evil) candidate be a waste of time ??
Your position makes no sense at all.
Lastly, if you convinced the people here that voting is a waste of time, why would they bother to actively participate in JTF's Jews Against Obama campaign ? So your post could in fact discourage people from mobilizing against Obama. Think about it.
Thank you for not asking me to leave the country.
You're welcome.
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@Sciabin If I remember right, you have decided not to vote following Pallin's nomination. Now Pallin is not a femnazi and in fact she would make a better candidate than McCain as she is far more conservative than he is.
I hope you understand that Iran is THE #1 ISSUE this elections.Why won't you do a small favor to your Jewish friend and vote for McCain ?
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@Sciabin If I remember right, you have decided not to vote following Pallin's nomination. Now Pallin is not a femnazi and in fact she would make a better candidate than McCain as she is far more conservative than he is.
I hope you understand that Iran is THE #1 ISSUE this elections.Why won't you do a small favor to your Jewish friend and vote for McCain ?
McCain- just like many - if not all - other Christians aren't genuine friends of the Jews.
They just want the Jews to build the Third temple, so that the "Messiah-Jesus returns".
Talking about hypocracy...
Apart from that, the world isn't ruled by religion, and never really was. The McCains want to attack Iran, and then Russia, to destroy Russia and re-enslave the Russian population under one-world-communist dictatorship.
I understand my opinion is controversial here, but I think Jews should not trust the USA too much.
It is better to ** make Israel independent from the USA, so it doesn't need the UA anymore.
After that, Israel can easily destroy the arab enemies.
NATO-USA-EU-UN wars against Russia will not serve Israel's interests in the long run.
After the destruction of Russia and Iran, Israel will be the next target, a state to subjigate under Global UN dictatorship.
** Chaim Ben Pesach has been saying this lots of times! that the Israeli should not buy US weapons, but only use their own,
being military dependent on the USA is the achilles heel of Israel, because once USA will be a majority muslim, black, or mexican - God forbid!! - it could stay a muslim anti-Judaic superpower for a while,... as will France or England...
all of them have a nuclear arsenal....
Furthermore, the EU will be expanding with Turkey, and North - african states. Just read about EURABIA and EUSSR
Who says the EU/ssr/EUrabia alredy planning encircling Israel, isn't infact planning to actively occupy Israel and Jerusalem!?
Just my € 0.02....
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forbid!
One thing I can guarantee you is that JTF will not become a mass movement if it takes the position that Osama won't be able to successfully manage the economy because he's Black.
Of course, every example you gave in your post is factually correct. But the reality is it will be construed as being racist, regardless of whether the facts back it up or not.
It's one thing to hammer Osama for his extreme liberalism, his close assocations with known Marxists and Communists, and the Democrap propensity to tax and spend like crazy -- it's another thing to say he'll fail because Blacks are incapable of successfully managing the economy.
That's just not the way to become a mass movement... even if alot of people secretly share our sentiments.
There's plenty of ammo to blast Osama with. Bringing his race into it is counter-productive and unnecessary.
Muchdefuslims, you're a very smart man.
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His 'puppet' theory is correct.
Furthermore, Ambiorix was here long before 'Jews Against Obama'.
Voting is indeed a waste of time.
That's your opinion.
But it's not shared by Chaim, or the majority of the posters here.
While Ambiorix might have been here before 'JewsAgainstObama', JTF'S main effort right now is to see that Osama is defeated.
That's because we're convinced that there is indeed a difference between the candidates, and that voting is not a waste of time.
The vast majority of us feel that it's of the utmost importance that the Israel hating, Jew hating, America hating Muslim not ascend to the presidency.
If you're so certain that there isn't any difference between McCain and Obama then it would behoove you to just stay silent on the sideline and NOT undermine the efforts of the rest of JTF that thinks it IS important to vote and to defeat Obama.
You don't think it matters who is elected ? That's fine. Just as long as you realize that's not JTF's position, and by encouraging people not to vote or mobilize against Obama, you are undermining the efforts of this organization.
Frankly, I'm surprised that only muman613 and myself have challenged you on this issue so far. I'm not going to suggest you leave the country, but I am going to suggest you show some consideration to the rest of JTF and not undermine our efforts.
Thanks.
Muck, you are a very smart man.
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McCain- just like many - if not all - other Christians aren't genuine friends of the Jews.
They just want the Jews to build the Third temple, so that the "Messiah-Jesus returns".
Talking about hypocracy...
I don't think that McCain is a real believer at all. I don't think he is my enemy while BHO definitely is. I don't know if you understood me correctly, I asked Scriabin as a friend to the Jews to vote McCain. Scriabin is the friend, NOT McCain.
I understand my opinion is controversial here, but I think Jews should not trust the USA too much.
It is better to ** make Israel independent from the USA, so it doesn't need the UA anymore.
After that, Israel can easily destroy the arab enemies.
I agree.
NATO-USA-EU-UN wars against Russia will not serve Israel's interests in the long run.
After the destruction of Russia and Iran, Israel will be the next target, a state to subjigate under Global UN dictatorship.
NATO could never destroy Russia, and unfortunately they it is extremely unlikely that they would destroy Iran.
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NATO could never destroy Russia, and unfortunately they it is extremely unlikely that they would destroy Iran.
We can't predict the future with 100% certitude.
But I expect more proxy wars between NATO and Russia.
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It's absurd that we can't put our petty squabbling aside to defeat the Muslim candidate. *sigh*
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No, he wouldn't be instructed. He'd be advised.
Believe it or not, political leaders around the globe do formulate policy.
Sure, there are powerful interest groups that exert undue influence on the decision making process, but it's a serious error to think political leaders are merely puppets of some unseen hand guiding all their actions.
If your 'puppet' theory is correct, then it makes no difference who gets elected. And if that's what you believe, then one must wonder why you'd waste your time joining a group like JewsAgainstObama.
His 'puppet' theory is correct.
Furthermore, Ambiorix was here long before 'Jews Against Obama'.
Voting is indeed a waste of time.
Scriabin , first, I appreciate your efforts and Ambiorix ' efforts for JTF.
Though Ambiorix was here long before the official " Jews against Obama" campaign, Chaim mentioned the threat of Barack Hussein Obama back in 2004 on the " Take Back America" program he did with David. It was on November 17, 2004 show.
The reason I'm mentioning this is Chaim's predictions about what would transpire regarding the media bias and the deception that Obama is using, have been proven correct. This situation ( upcoming election ) is a classic example of good people trying to prevent very evil people from causing substantial damage.
As a person, I feel it's an obligation for me to make a serious attempt to prevent Barack Hussein Obama from becoming the next President of the United States. If Obama wins this election, its inevitable that disaster is coming, with many righteous people likely in the path of the disaster. The only questions would be when, where, and to what extent.