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Title: Why is there a Save Serbia? (Warning Graphic Pictures in Thread)
Post by: AryehYehudah on September 21, 2008, 02:40:02 AM
Why does a Jewish website support a country that has been preaching that Jews are lowlife Christ killers. DOn't you know Orthodox Christians countries have hated Jews for many more centuries than muslims.  I mean this anti-Jew feeling from Muslims is new age phenomenon and now equally as bad.   But my family was brutalized by the Orthodox CHristian church and the reason some of my family has goyish features is cause some were raped in villages by these pigs.  I don't see why so many people here are pro-Russi and pro-Serbia.  They would not even allow Jewish person to serve as leader in russian parliament cause they say he is not truly  a Russian and not CHristian.  They say Jews are alien race and that even thoug hthey live there for like 1000+ years, they are outsiders.  Bunch of scumbags..  I think all Orthodox Christian countries should go to hell with rest of islamonazi bastards.   Orthodox christian church is still the one church who claims that Jews are Christ killers and that they are most evil race on planet and many deny the existence of holocaust against Jews.  You speak with many Orthodox Christians they will ask you why you murdered their goyish Zeus Jesus.   

Just because Orthodox CHristians and muslims hate each other, doesn't mean Orthodox Christians are our friend.  I think people on this site are very one-sided and blind to the fact that nazism started from right-wing Christian groups as well as Muslims.  I know Albania cheated Serbs from some land, but as far as I am concerned, neither of them are my friends.

How come none of you guys talk about Serbia's nazi past?


Just because the Germans massacred a number of Serbians, who were fighting for their own country, not for us Jews, doesn't make them noble people or our friends.
Title: Re: Why is there a Save Serbia?
Post by: DALMACIJA on September 21, 2008, 03:15:57 AM
Why does a Jewish website support a country that has been preaching that Jews are lowlife Christ killers. DOn't you know Orthodox Christians countries have hated Jews for many more centuries than muslims.  I mean this anti-Jew feeling from Muslims is new age phenomenon and now equally as bad.   But my family was brutalized by the Orthodox CHristian church and the reason some of my family has goyish features is cause some were raped in villages by these pigs.  I don't see why so many people here are pro-Russi and pro-Serbia.  They would not even allow Jewish person to serve as leader in russian parliament cause they say he is not truly  a Russian and not CHristian.  They say Jews are alien race and that even thoug hthey live there for like 1000+ years, they are outsiders.  Bunch of scumbags..  I think all Orthodox Christian countries should go to hell with rest of islamonazi bastards.   Orthodox christian church is still the one church who claims that Jews are Christ killers and that they are most evil race on planet and many deny the existence of holocaust against Jews.  You speak with many Orthodox Christians they will ask you why you murdered their goyish Zeus Jesus.   

Just because Orthodox CHristians and muslims hate each other, doesn't mean Orthodox Christians are our friend.  I think people on this site are very one-sided and blind to the fact that nazism started from right-wing Christian groups as well as Muslims.  I know Albania cheated Serbs from some land, but as far as I am concerned, neither of them are my friends.

How come none of you guys talk about Serbia's nazi past?
http://shmajser.wordpress.com/2006/12/19/serbian-nazi-past-and-jasenovac-casualties-manipulations/

Just because the Germans massacred a number of Serbians, who were fighting for their own country, not for us Jews, doesn't make them noble people or our friends.


Please do not ban this person.

Let me debate him.

This will be very interesting.
Title: Re: Why is there a Save Serbia?
Post by: DALMACIJA on September 21, 2008, 03:50:16 AM
Why does a Jewish website support a country that has been preaching that Jews are lowlife Christ killers. DOn't you know Orthodox Christians countries have hated Jews for many more centuries than muslims.  I mean this anti-Jew feeling from Muslims is new age phenomenon and now equally as bad.   But my family was brutalized by the Orthodox CHristian church and the reason some of my family has goyish features is cause some were raped in villages by these pigs. 

Look I a Orthodox Serb understand you and I appreciate your openness.

It is not good that your family was brutalized by “Orthodox” Christians.
The heads of the Orthodox church have never justified or propagated the prosecution against people, because of their ethnicity or religion. Not even one Orthodox Patriarch or other individual of authority, within the Orthodox Church, was a supporter of prosecution against people. You have no legal right to collectively blame the Christian Orthodox community or Church because of people who were out of any control and are only Orthodox by name. According to the bible murder and rape are sins of Death.
No Orthodox leader will encourage its people to conducted sins of Death.

Your family was victimized by savage and primitive individuals who are a shame for the Orthodox nations. Those who have hurt your family will probably do the same against me, or other people. But every nation has its own exceptions.

The Jews as Christ killers.
Well, Jesus’ destiny was to die for the sins of humanity. He would be crucified under any circumstances – even with out the Jews. When Jesus died on the cross he said Father forgive them because they do not know what they are doing. If Jesus forgave them, why should we now make problems with the Jews for something that had happened 2000 years ago?
There is salvation for everybody who is in Christos. 

I don't see why so many people here are pro-Russi and pro-Serbia.  They would not even allow Jewish person to serve as leader in russian parliament cause they say he is not truly  a Russian and not CHristian.  They say Jews are alien race and that even thoug hthey live there for like 1000+ years, they are outsiders.  Bunch of scumbags..

Why would Jews want to have authority positions in Orthodox countries?
In Orthodox countries Orthodox people must be in charge, not Jews, Catholics, Muslims or other non Orthodox individuals.
What is happening in other non Orthodox countries is a different story.
On Orthodox soil only Orthodox people should be in charge.
A non Orthodox person can not lead a Orthodox nation as good as an Orthodox person.   

You think that Jews like Karl Marks, Lenin,  Lazar Moiseyevich Kaganovich, Bakaric (Kuperstein) and Mose pijade should be in the governments of Russia/ Serbia?
Are you provoking us? ?  ? ? ? ?

When the Jews were prosecuted in and exiled from Catholic Spain, some of them came to Serbian lands and lived in peace among Serbs. Not even one Jew was prosecuted in Serbia. The Serbs called the Jews in Serbia not Christ killers nut Serbs with the religion of Moses.   

During WW2 Serbs were responsible for the rescue of many Jews.
Your statements against Orthodoxy are in struggle with historical facts.
Title: Re: Why is there a Save Serbia?
Post by: DALMACIJA on September 21, 2008, 03:55:25 AM
Just because Orthodox CHristians and muslims hate each other, doesn't mean Orthodox Christians are our friend.  I think people on this site are very one-sided and blind to the fact that nazism started from right-wing Christian groups as well as Muslims.  I know Albania cheated Serbs from some land, but as far as I am concerned, neither of them are my friends.


We do not hate Muslims. We only have problems with local Muslism like Bosnians and Albanians. Stop spreading lies against us!

Nazism is a product of the West. In the West you do not have Orthodoxy.
The Orthodox Church had never accepted anti-Semitism in contradiction to the Catholics Church which has an anti-Semitic past. The Roman Church has nothing in common with the Eastern Orthodox Church. Stop makeing mistakes to the disatvantage of the Orthodox nations!
Title: Re: Why is there a Save Serbia?
Post by: DALMACIJA on September 21, 2008, 04:11:06 AM
.   Orthodox christian church is still the one church who claims that Jews are Christ killers and that they are most evil race on planet and many deny the existence of holocaust against Jews.  You speak with many Orthodox Christians they will ask you why you murdered their goyish Zeus Jesus.   

You do not know what your are saying.
If you know history than you know that Adolf Hitler started WW2 with the intent to destroy Orthodox Christianity.
20.000.000 Orthodox Russians were killed during WW2.
About 1.000.000 Serbs were killed by fascists and communists during WW2.
There was a holocaust in WW1 and WW2 against Orthodox Christians.

Goyish Zeus Jesus?
Jesus is not a gentile or a Jew.
He is the eternal son of the living G-d who lived before the creation of the world and the nations. He is the living word of the true G-d who came to this earth in flesh and blood to bring salvation to the fallen humanity!

I do not blame you for rejecting Jesus - because there are allot of people in this world who do not accpet Him. G-d wants also to save the others! G-d did not create people to place them in the hell. G-d wants to save every human. That’s why you can not hate your fellow human.
Title: Re: Why is there a Save Serbia?
Post by: 4International on September 21, 2008, 05:41:23 AM
Shalom AryehYehuda,

This is Joshua Rosenberg, like Chaim Ben Pesach and many other Jews here on JTF, I am a very good friend and supporter of the Serbian people. I have intensely studied the history of Yugslavia and the Serbs during World War 2 - their relationship to the Jews during the Holocaust - and the war between the Serbs and their enemies in the 1990's: the Bosnian and Albanian muslims as well as the Roman Catholic Croats.

I don't deny that antisemtism exists in Christianity as it has especially so in the most blatant and brutal form in the Roman Catholic Church for millenia, nor do I deny that antisemitism exists in the Russian Orthodox church.

I will let Dalmacija and other Orthodox Christian Serbs on this forum answer your charges against the Orthodox Christian religion as a whole as being guilty of antisemitism since they are more qualified to do so being of that faith.

 
I have a simple question for you though. If you wish to be taken seriously here on this forum and if indeed you are Jewish, then why are you - as a JEW - quoting a pro-Ustasha Holocaust-denying BOSNIAN MUSLIM NAZI blog site on Wordpress which contains such laughable examples of Taqiyya muslim Nazi lies such as this priceless gem:



"Serbia as well as neighboring Croatia was under Axis occupation during the Second World War."

Anyone who has seriously studied the Holocaust and World War 2 history would know that Serbia was under GERMAN MILITARY OCCUPATION whilst Croatia and Bosnia-Herzegovina WAS NOT (Bosnia and Herzegovina was annexed by the Ustasha Nazi Croats who regarded the Bosnian muslims as "THE FLOWER OF THE CROAT PEOPLE" - surprise, surprise)

The Bosnian muslim blog page you link to - which incidentally engages in blatant Holocaust denial by pretending that there was NO HOLOCAUST IN THE CROAT USTASHA NAZI RUN DEATH CAMP COMPLEX OF JASENOVAC-STARA GRADISKA by drastically minimizing the numbers - also claims that Draza Mihajlovic's Royalist "Yugoslav Army in the Fatherland" - better known as the "Serbian Chetniks" collaborated with Hitler's German Nazi forces.

THIS IS A BLATANT BOSNIAN MUSLIM NAZI LIE AND A CLEAR EXAMPLE OF TAQIYYA.

The Serbian Chetniks were a truly heroic pro-Allied RESISTANCE movement which was supported by the Allied powers from April, 1941 right up until December 10, 1943. The Serbian Chetniks - by rising up against Hitler after the invasion of Serbia in April of 1941 WERE THE VERY FIRST AND ONLY RESISTANCE MOVEMENT IN ALL OF OCCUPIED EUROPE TO RISE UP AGAINST HITLER AND THE AXIS COLLABORATIONIST COUNTRIES.

In the late 1980's the British government de-classified intelligence documents which finally proved once and for all that Britain's wartime Prime Minister, Winston Churchill, was DECEIVED BY SOVIET COMMUNIST MOLES WORKING INSIDE BRITISH INTELLIGENCE (the Special Operations Executive).These Soviet communist moles sent Churchill's SOE on mulitiple occasions completely BOGUS intelligence reports accusing Draza Mihajlovic and his Chetniks of collaborating with the Germans.

Churchill then switched his support to the communist Josip Broz Tito after believing these bogus intelligence reports and history has never forgiven him for his tragic mistake: nearly 50 years of Tito's Communist dictatorship of Serbia and the rest of former Yugoslavia.A dictatorship run mainly by Communist Croats and Slovenians in the top positions of power.

You can read all about it in the following articles and books:


"A Coffin for Mihailovic" (New York Times Review of Sir Michael Lee's book "The Rape Of Serbia" )

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9D0CE0DE1E30F933A25751C0A967958260

British historian Sir David Martin's book:

"The Web of Disinformation: Churchill's Yugoslav Blunder"  

http://128.121.186.47/ISSA/reports/Balkan/Jan1995.htm (http://128.121.186.47/ISSA/reports/Balkan/Jan1995.htm)

British officer who actually served with Draza Mihajlovic Chetniks -  Sir Michael Lee's book:

"The Rape of Serbia"  

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9D0CE0DE1E30F933A25751C0A967958260 (http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9D0CE0DE1E30F933A25751C0A967958260)

British historian, Baron Avro Manhattan's book:

"The Vatican's Holocaust"  

http://www.reformation.org/holocaus.html (http://www.reformation.org/holocaus.html)

Tudjman & the Croatian Ustashe Nazi genocide of Krajina Serbs in 1991

http://4international.wordpress.com/2008/03/19/tudjman-the-croatian-ustashe-nazi-genocide-of-krajina-serbs-in-1991/


The other ridiculous claim that Serbs cleansed the Jews of Belgrade and issued antisemitic Nazi postage stamps is also easily disproven anti-Serbian propaganda. As mentioned above, Serbia was a GERMAN NAZI OCCUPIED country with a German Nazi regulation stating that 100 Serbs or Jews would be executed for every German officer shot dead. Unlike the Croat/Muslim dominated Independent State of Croatia (NDH) which the Germans had no need to militarily occupy since it was an enthusiastic puppet Nazi regime.


I remember Judge Judy once saying to a defendant in her court room:

"Don't pee on my leg and tell me it's raining.You lie to me once, I don't believe ANYTHING you have said!"


The site you quoted doesn't contain just one mere lie, it contains hundreds of them.Answering every one of the literally HUNDREDS of outrageous outright lies, distortions, twisting of the facts, mixing of truths with half truths on the Bosnian muslim Nazi blog you linked to would be like wading neck deep through a mud pit or sewer.

I also strongly suggest you spend some time reading - like a few days not merely a few minutes - the articles on these three pro-Israel sites before quoting Holocaust-denying Bosnian muslim Nazi or Croat Ustasha Nazi sites here again. On these sites you will learn just how heroic and noble the Serbs truly were during the Shoah:


Historical & Investigative Research

http://www.hirhome.com/

Jared Israel's Emperor's New Clothes

http://www.tenc.net

International Strategic Studies Association

http://128.121.186.47/ISSA/reports/Balkan/Balkanindex.htm


Here is what a very good friend of ours - Nathan Pearlstein - wrote in response to a similar load of blatant historical revisionism by a pro-Ustasha Nazi Croat who tried to turn history upside down and smear the Serbs with a Nazi brush:

[quote by Nathan Pearlstein begins here]

Quote: "You are either naive, or functionally illiterate."

You are either completely ignorant of World War 2 history, a liar and/or an idiotic chauvinistic Croatian propagandist.

Quote: "Get your facts straight about the Serbs in World War II."

I have all of my facts straight about actions of the Serbs, Croats,Bosnian muslims, Albanians and Slovenians during World War 2. It is YOU who is either ignorant or LYING.

Quote:"The Serbs, much like the Vichy Government in France had a Nazi sypathetic facist government.Led by General Nedic , who proudly sent a telegram to the Fuhrer proclaiming Belgrade to be the first European Capitol that was "judenfrei"."

Total rubbish.Serbia was attacked ruthlessly by Hitler on April 6, 1941. Hitler demanded that the Serbs be punished severely for throwing out the Axis-appeasing Belgrade government. The puppet government of the Nedic regime was set up by the German Nazi occupying forces after they militarily OCCUPIED Serbia killing almost 20,000 Serbs in air raids on Belgrade during "Operation Punishment".Any anti-Semitic laws and decrees issued from that point forward was FORCED upon Serbia by the occupying German army and SS, PERIOD.


Quote:"The Serbs were so blatently anti-semetic and eager to please their handlers in Berlin, that they issued anti-semetic postage stamps one featuring a snake covered with the Star of David being trampled by a foot."

Again,total rubbish. It was not "the Serbs" who issued those stamps, it was the German Nazi OCCUPYING military forces of the Wermacht and SS. Like I stated above,any anti-Semitic laws and decrees (including that of the publication of anti-Semitic postage stamps) issued from that point forward was FORCED upon Serbia by the occupying German army and SS, PERIOD.

Quote:"The Chetnik movement led by Draza Mihailaovic also collaberated with the Nazi occupires, despite the romantice lies to the contrary."

Again, anyone giving World War 2 history more than a mere cursory examination would know that General 'Draza' Dragoljub Mihajlovic was an internationally respected (by Western powers like the UK & US) and brave resistance fighter, posthumously awarded one of the highest honors which can be bestowed upon a foreigner: the "Legion of Merit" by US President Truman.

So your implied claim that Mihajlovic was a "Nazi collaborator" is utterly ludicrous and speaks volumes about your total lack of honesty and credibility, "jpervan".


The totally false stories that were put out by Tito's communist partisans about Mihajlovic being a collaborator of the German occupying forces being accepted by Churchill was via a Soviet mole in British intelligence.

This has been confirmed by various published works by British historians: Sir David Martin and Sir Michael Lees in their respective books, "The Web of Disinformation: Churchills' Yugoslav Blunder" and "The Rape of Serbia".This was even confirmed in a recent New York Times article, "A Coffin for Mihailovic".

In both these books the authors'positions are supported with masses of accompanying documentation from declassified British intelligence files.

The authors charge that the communist partisans - on direct orders from Tito - actually collaborated on various occasions with the Germans in order to militarily defeat the Royalist "Chetniks" led by Mihajlovic, since apart from their common resistance to the Germans a vicious civil-war began to rage between the two factions.

Quote:"The only true anti-fascist movement were the partisans..."

Absolute nonsense. I repeat: Tito's forces collaborated on numerous occasions with the German occupying forces in order to militarily crush the Royalist Chetniks who were anti-communist. See books listed above.

Quote:"...comprised of both Croatian and to a lesser extent Serbs."

Don't make me laugh out loud, "jpervan". Again anyone giving World War 2 history more than a mere cursory examination would be aware that the Yugoslav partisans were overwhelmingly comprised of Orthodox Christian Serbs, mainly because of the fact that in areas under Ante Pavelic's (the genocidal Croatian Ustasha 'Fuhrer') control in Bosnia-Herzegovina the civilian Serbian and Jewish population was subjected to genocide and the young Serbian and Jewish men who escaped the Croatian Ustasha genocide joined Tito's partisans because the Royalist Chetniks were mainly based in Serbia and had very little, if any, presence in Bosnia-Herzegovina.

It was only at the end of 1943 and early 1944 when it was becoming quite clear that Hitler's Third Reich and the Axis powers were losing the war, that some Croats, Bosnian Muslims and Slovenes switched sides and joined Tito's partisans.

For your information, Tito was half-Croat, half Slovenian, so you are quite ignorant of the historical facts there as well.

So get YOUR facts straight, "jpervan" and stop lying against the Serbs in order to promote your chauvinistic anti-Serbian - and I strongly suspect - anti-Semitic Croatian agenda.
 


[End quote by Nathan Pearlstein ]

Title: Re: Why is there a Save Serbia?
Post by: AryehYehudah on September 21, 2008, 05:55:01 AM
Well, if they ban me for voicing my opinion, you surely prove my point of fascist elements having control.  I am labelled daily as a Christ killer, so what if I speak against CHristianity, especially Catholicsm and Orthodoxy, Lutheranism.    

Your family was victimized by savage and primitive individuals which are a shame for the Orthodox nations. Those who have hurt your family will probably do the same against me, or other people. But every nation has its own exceptions.

My family was brutalized by savages who had a bible in their hand saying they had to wipe out the "Christ Killers".  I know not every Russian, Ukranian, Serbian, Greek, etc person was responsible.  Yes, I did see some of SHindler's list and was forced to walk out , cause emotion got the best of me.  Yes, there is good souls among gentiles, even among muslims.  However, a good majority and rulers partook in mass devastation which was fueled by warped ideologies.  To just say a few savages were responsible is a total cop-out to the truth of the situation.  The Jews were massacred with full support of church and goverrnment.   Tell me, where did all these teaching of blood libels come from?  Who was responsible for conducting these trials?  Every time a "Good Christian Boy" was hurt, many would say it was the evil Jewish person who did it.  Many times blood libels where iniating from church since they rather blame an outsider, a Jew or Gypsy than a "Good Orthodox Christian" for a crime.  As I recall, the Orthodox Church not only did not do anything to help suffering Jews in villages , but actually encouraged the pogroms.


Why would Jews want to have authority positions in Orthodox countries?
In Orthodox countries Orthodox people must be in charge, not Jews, Catholics, Muslims or other non Orthodox individuals.
What is happening in other non Orthodox countries is a different story.
On Orthodox soil only Orthodox people should be in charge.
A non Orthodox person can not lead a Orthodox nation as good as an Orthodox person.   

WHy, cause they worked for those countries with their blood!  The blood your people shed!  They pay taxes to your country and have been some of the greatest contributors to your nation and your culture.  That is why!  YOur mentality I find revolting.  You have many Orthodox churches in Israel and have a lot of authority in our land, yet we have absolutely no authority.  THe Catholic church  I believe just purchased some very sacred buidlings to Jewish people.  If you don't want a Jew to rule an Orthodox country, then tell that Orthodox country to compensate them for all the suffering they imposed on them.  Not only that, but the beloved Orthodox country like Russia, not only will not allow a Jew to serve as leader, but they are entirely devoted to eradicating Jews from the earth.  Putztin, just announced he will spite the Israeli people for helping Georgia, by funding Iran and SYria with weapons and will assist them in constructing the nuclear arsenal.  This is the good ally of the Serbian people..  
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You think that Jews like Karl Marks, Lenin,  Lazar Moiseyevich Kaganovich, Bakaric (Kuperstein) and Mose pijade should again rule with Orthodox nations?
Are you provoking us? ?  ? ? ? ?

Well well, another gentile, labelling Lenin a Jew..  Will you next call Hitler a Jew?  Sounds like the David Duke or Pat Buchanan website I was just at.  Where is your proof?  So, he had a touch of Jewish blood in him, so did some Nazis maybe?  The SS allowed people with Jewish blood to join, as long as they were not more than 1/4 or 1/8 Jewish.  Does this make him a Jew?  He was born and baptized as a Russian Orthodox Christian and was hardly considered to be Jewish.

"Lenin himself was of mostly Russian and Kalmuck ancestry, but he was also one-quarter Jewish. His maternal grandfather, Israel (Alexander) Blank, was a Ukrainian Jew who was later baptized into the Russian Orthodox Church."
FYI, many Jews go by the lineage of the mother.  Yet, neither his mother or father were even 100% Jewish.

"Born in Simbirsk (renamed Ulyanovsk after its most famous son), in the Russian Empire, Lenin was the son of Ilya Nikolaevich Ulyanov and Maria Alexandrovna Ulyanova.[2] His father was a successful Russian official in public education who wanted democracy. The family was of mixed ethnicity, his ancestry being “Russian, Mordovian, Kalmyk, Jewish (see Blank family), Volgan German, and Swedish, and possibly others” according to biographer Dmitri Volkogonov.[3] Lenin was baptized into the Russian Orthodox Church."

Why are you so bold as to label this man a Jew?  And by the way, for your information, the reason why Jews got into the mess of communism and loss of their own identity, was the leaders and people in these Orthodox and Catholic countries treated them as subhuman.  Many JEws were forced to lose their identity and Communism was just an outlet from the horrible oppression from the Czar and the segregation from both church and society they underwent.  OF course, many of us Jews are short-sighted and didn't realize the long term impact supporting such a barbaric movement as Communism wouldh ave.  Well in the end, the Czar went from Nicholas to Stalin.  


When the Jews were prosecuted in and exiled from Catholic Spain, some of them came to Serbian lands and lived in peace among Serbs. Not even one Jew was prosecuted in Serbia. The Serbs called the Jews in Serbia not Christ killers nut Serbs with the religion of Moses.   

During WW2 Serbs were responsible for the rescue of many Jews.
Your statements against Orthodoxy are in struggle with historical facts.
Don't know the depth of the details, but I will investigate.  More of my anger and disdain is at the Orthodox Church and the fallacy of its teachings against Jews and the oppression the Jews went from living in societies ruled by Orthodox and Catholic Christians.  If you will deny your churches had any wrongdoing, I will resume my research and I think it will not be hard to show you many examples of atrocities commited against Jews by Orthodox/Catholics.  I was just reading an article the other day, how in many Orthodox church liturgies that Jews were responsible for the death of Christ and that they should be shunned.

Now, as for Chrsitains, I Don't mind them and think Evangelical Americans are good friends to Many Jews and sincerely care and love for Jews and Israel.  Many of the Neo-Nazi and Fascist , ANti-Jewish movements you see are from right-wing Christians in Orthodox , Catholic countries, like Ukraine, Russia and Poland.  Of course, Southern KKK Christians like David DUke are also part of this right wind neo-nazi movement.  I don't actually know so much of Serbia, but have read they have made a pact with Russians and that a large neo-nazi movement is emerging there.
Title: Re: Why is there a Save Serbia?
Post by: DALMACIJA on September 21, 2008, 05:56:33 AM
4International,

Thank you for sharing that with us.
Title: Re: Why is there a Save Serbia?
Post by: AryehYehudah on September 21, 2008, 06:04:29 AM
I have a simple question for you though. If you wish to be taken seriously here on this forum and if indeed you are Jewish, then why are you - as a JEW - quoting a pro-Ustasha Holocaust-denying BOSNIAN MUSLIM NAZI blog site on Wordpress which contains such laughable examples of Taqiyya muslim Nazi lies such as this priceless gem:

Ok, oops.. I didn't realize..  i just was typing quickly and googled serbian nazis.. my mistake.. I will find another site then..  I don't know much of Serbia being nazi state, except I know it has an emerging neo-nazi movement, like its brother country, Russia.  Forgive me and I will remove the link and find better one.   I am 100% Ashkenazi Jew, with family from Ukraine, Russia and Poland.  My grand mother escaped nazis in Ukranian village.  All people in her village are dead now, as the nazis came there and forced them all to dig their own graves before shooting all of them.  If you like to visit some of my relatives in Ukraine, you can go visit local Jewish cemetary.  Assuming it has not bee ncompletely desecrated with swastikas or turned into a shopping mall.
Title: Re: Why is there a Save Serbia?
Post by: AryehYehudah on September 21, 2008, 06:17:42 AM
FRom Wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-Nazism

There are several neo-Nazi groups in Serbia. Neo-Nazism in Serbia appeared in the 1990s during the Yugoslav wars.[citation needed] Before the breakup of Yugoslavia, neo-Nazism was strictly forbidden and very unpopular.[citation needed] Although neo-Nazism in Germany mostly focuses on racial and political intolerance, neo-Nazism in Serbia is mostly based on national and religious factors.[52] Nacionalni stroj (National Alignment), a neo-Nazi organization from the Vojvodina region, orchestrated several incidents in 2005. Charges were laid against 18 of the leading members in late 2005, and each of them faced up to eight years in prison.[53] The group was still active in 2007, as was demonstrated by a display of religious hatred.[54]

Blood and Honour has a branch in Serbia, where it is called Krv i čast. Its website claims that the group intends "to propagate revolutionary idea of National Socialism without compromise. Also, the intention of Serbian Blood and Honour Division is to motivate all NS followers to radical activities and not only to passive observing or listening to the music."[55] Since 2001, this organization, with chapters in several Serbian cities, organized several memorial concerts on the anniversary of Adolf Hitler's birth.[56][57]




Check out this article:
In response to Jewish protest, Serbia bans planned neo-Nazi march
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/907636.html

Ok, yes it comes from the liberal, lefty Ha Aretz newspaper, don't bash me for that, but nonetheless, can u prove to me, that this neo-nazi march was not to take place?


Serb authorities slammed: Neo-Nazis hit the streets despite ban   (Serbian authorities fail to quash neo-nazi demoenstration)
http://www.neurope.eu/articles/78826.php
 

Ok. I admit, Russians and Serbians suffered horribly in WWII and would fight to the last man to resist Germans.  Yet, today there is more neo-nazis in these same countries, such as Russia, Ukraine than in Germany.   I understand Serbs are angered over Kosovo, so now they go run to the anti-semitic russians and the nazi movement as an outlet.. Big mistake.
Title: Re: Why is there a Save Serbia?
Post by: 4International on September 21, 2008, 06:52:06 AM
Shalom AryehYehuda,

Thanks for such a wonderful heart-felt reply. I don't deny that there are a small minority of Serbian neo-Nazis in Serbia but let me tell you after having carefully researched this phenomenon in Serbia, that it is NOT endorsed or in any way officially glorified or celebrated by the Serbian intelligentsia/academia, the Serbian government or for that matter by the Serbian Orthodox church. In fact it is shunned and condemned overwhelmingly by a great majority of the Serbian people.


You must understand also that this phenomenon only really took off after our traitorous leaders in Washington staged a coup de'tat against Milosevic and installed a client regime in Belgrade in October 2000.

These young Serbs - mostly soccer hooligans - were brainwashed by antisemitic propaganda coming from WESTERN  NATO/EU SOURCES blaming the "Jews" as being responsible for the West's anti-Serbian policies since 1990.

Is the evidence that this antisemitic propaganda originated from WESTERN, i.e. US/NATO/EU sources merely a coincidence? I think not.

Check out Jared Israel's site (www.tenc.net ) and Prof. Francisco Gil-White's site (www.hirhome.com ) for the details.

In contrast in Croatia, the government, academia, intelligentsia and the Roman Catholic clergy at all levels to this day glorifies and celebrates the World War 2 Ustasha Nazi regime and they attempt to JUSTIFY or DENY what the Ustasha did to innocent Jews, Serbs and Gypsies. Witness Croat government officials and Croat Roman Catholic Church leaders recently attending and endorsing so called "rock" concerts by Croat neo-Ustasha Nazi band leader Marko Perkovic "Thompson" WHO SINGS SONGS GLORIFYING THE HOLOCAUST IN USTASHA NAZI CROATIA!!


The Croat neo-Ustasha Nazi supporters and their allies the Bosnian muslims and Albanian muslims THROUGH THEIR OFFICIAL GOVERNMENT, RELIGIOUS LEADERS AND OFFICIAL ESTABLISHED MEDIA will blatantly lie through their teeth by engaging in Holocaust denial and revisionism (many Bosnian muslims glorify the Waffen SS divisions "Handschar" and "Kama", whilst many Albanians glorify the Waffen SS Skanderbeg division and the "Balli Kombetar" Albanian WW2 pro-Hitler fascist party).

Do a search on Julia Gorin's blog for "Thompson":

Here are a few links to start with



http://www.juliagorin.com/wordpress/?p=915

(the above link has photos of 60,000 to 70,000 Croats at a concert in Croatia giving the Sieg-Heil "Za Dom Spremni" [ "for the Homeland We Are Ready" ] Ustasha Nazi salute!!

http://www.juliagorin.com/wordpress/index.php?s=thompson

http://www.juliagorin.com/wordpress/index.php?s=thompson&paged=2





Title: Re: Why is there a Save Serbia?
Post by: 4International on September 21, 2008, 07:01:36 AM
Shalom AryehYehuda


My apologies, the photos are on this link instead:

http://www.juliagorin.com/wordpress/?p=914
Title: Re: Why is there a Save Serbia?
Post by: AryehYehudah on September 21, 2008, 07:54:13 AM
Good links.. I will look them over..  I guess I am confused about things..  I know the Bosnians, Croats and most of the Baltic thugs are scum of the earth..  I have read about the Ustashi and the slaughter of Jews and Serbians and the horror involved..  Yes, I don't quite get the situation in Serbia.  I know the ALbanians also claim to have saved many Jews, yet so how can I verify the claims of Serbians saving Jews as any more valid?   What really is bothering me, is this guy who is posting all this has another post saying support Ossetia, a communist regime who rebelled against their motherland, same way Albanians rebelled against Serbians.  And then, the ugly red ape called russia comes in and just snatches the country.  If Serbs done like other countries stealing their country, why do they support the same?  I see the guy calling russia, mama bear, like she is some protector.  Russia has led one of the most atrocious anti-Israel, anti-Jewish regimes in the world and is proud supporter of terrorism and ahs funded all our arab enemies in every battle.  This guy Dalmicija is sleeping in bed with our vile enemy and I just cannot see how we can be friends with a people who supports Russia.  If I get banned for speaking out against wrongdoings Orthodox Christian/Catholic nations have done to Jews while this guy gets to post how great Russia mama-bear is for protecting the Ossetians, then I think this is no better than any other self-hating lefty Jewish website.  I am thinknig that this site is not like that by all the other good material I  am seeing.  Still some of his comments to me are revolting, saying Jews should not have any leadership positions in Russia, after they have suffered so greatly, contributed so much to the economy and culture, this is pure bigotry, saying Orthodox should rule Orthodox country.  As if, Russians have ruled their country as peace loving Christians.
Title: Re: Why is there a Save Serbia?
Post by: DALMACIJA on September 21, 2008, 09:15:09 AM
Good links.. I will look them over..  I guess I am confused about things..  I know the Bosnians, Croats and most of the Baltic thugs are scum of the earth..  I have read about the Ustashi and the slaughter of Jews and Serbians and the horror involved..  Yes, I don't quite get the situation in Serbia.  I know the ALbanians also claim to have saved many Jews, yet so how can I verify the claims of Serbians saving Jews as any more valid?   What really is bothering me, is this guy who is posting all this has another post saying support Ossetia, a communist regime who rebelled against their motherland, same way Albanians rebelled against Serbians.  And then, the ugly red ape called russia comes in and just snatches the country.  If Serbs done like other countries stealing their country, why do they support the same?  I see the guy calling russia, mama bear, like she is some protector.  Russia has led one of the most atrocious anti-Israel, anti-Jewish regimes in the world and is proud supporter of terrorism and ahs funded all our arab enemies in every battle.  This guy Dalmicija is sleeping in bed with our vile enemy and I just cannot see how we can be friends with a people who supports Russia.  If I get banned for speaking out against wrongdoings Orthodox Christian/Catholic nations have done to Jews while this guy gets to post how great Russia mama-bear is for protecting the Ossetians, then I think this is no better than any other self-hating lefty Jewish website.  I am thinknig that this site is not like that by all the other good material I  am seeing.  Still some of his comments to me are revolting, saying Jews should not have any leadership positions in Russia, after they have suffered so greatly, contributed so much to the economy and culture, this is pure bigotry, saying Orthodox should rule Orthodox country.  As if, Russians have ruled their country as peace loving Christians.

The Vatican was main responsible to the lauch of communism on Russian and Serbian soil! David Duke and others want to blame the Jews for the faults of the West.

You Jews were for 2000 prosecuted by the Vatican and we Orthodox nation were for 1000 years long prosecuted by the same Vatican.

We have common enemies.
Title: Re: Why is there a Save Serbia?
Post by: 4International on September 21, 2008, 09:23:06 AM
"I know the ALbanians also claim to have saved many Jews, yet so how can I verify the claims of Serbians saving Jews as any more valid?"

Shalom AryehYehudah,

See here for an answer to this Albanian claim by Serbian historian Carl Savich here:

http://www.serbianna.com/columns/savich/060.shtml


and by 4International writer Max Rosenthal here:

Zero Jews in Kosovo Today

http://4international.wordpress.com/2008/02/12/zero-jews-in-kosovo-today/

and by Prof. Francisco Gil-White here:

Should Jews support an independent Kosovo?

http://www.hirhome.com/yugo/suicide.htm



Regarding Georgia, while I can understand your contempt for everything Russian and the Russian Orthodox Church because of the terrible oppression that you and your family suffered in the former Soviet Union, you must not allow your judgement to be clouded on what really happened in Ossetia and what the Georgian government did BEFORE the Russians sent their troops in.

Did you know that in early August he ordered the attack on hundreds of sleeping civilians in the middle of the night with artillery and rockets and by doing so he wiped out the Jewish Qaurter - home of 20 Jewish families - in Tskhinvali, the Ossetian capital along with hundreds of other civilians of all nationalities?  (some reports estimate at least 2 thousand people killed in the initial Georgian artillery and rocket attack)

http://4international.wordpress.com/2008/08/26/jewish-quarter-in-tskhinvali-is-levelled-by-nato-financed-georgia/

This happened several days BEFORE   the Russians sent their troops over the border.There are reports now coming out from the European OSCE which confirm all of the above as being true.Did you know that our leaders in Washington gave the go ahead to Saakashvili to launch this provocative attack against civilains in order to destabilize Russia and that we are trying to surround Russia with NATO strategic weaponry like the missiles we are basing in Poland which are ultimately targeted at Russia?

The aim of all of this activity by Washington is to weaken and ultimately break up Russia and take over the entire continent of Eurasia as envisaged by Zbigniew Brzezisnski in his 1997 book, The Grand Chessboard. READ THIS BOOK - IT WILL OPEN YOUR EYES AS TO WHAT WE ARE DOING IN FORMER SOVIET REPUBLICS ON RUSSIA's DOORSTEP IN ORDER TO BREAK RUSSIA APART. Did you know that Brzezinski is Obama's foreign policy advisor? Were you aware that Saakashvili  - the US/NATO installed leader of Georgia - is really a despicable fascist-like dictator and thug who crushes any and all opposition to his regime with terror tactics? 



While we may despise Russia for her support of Israel's enemies and her antsemitism during the era of the Tzar and to a lesser extent during the USSR era, trying to provoke Russia by launching attacks on her borders via our proxies is risking World War 3. Even Olmert's government was smart enough to withdraw Israeli military support of Saakashvili's regime several days before Washington gave the go ahead for his murderous attack which wiped out the entire Jewish Quarter in Tskhinvali. We Jews and Israelis need to steer well clear of supporting such murderous leaders as Saakashvili even if it means we upset Washington. If you recall , Ariel Sharon was totally against our support of the Albanian muslims, the drug dealing KLA and our 78 day bombing campaign against Serbian civilian targets which resulted in the deaths of several thousand Serbian men, women and young children. A terrible crime against humanity which Russia also never forgot nor forgave the traitorous leaders in Washington for perpetrating.


While we Jews on JTF are totally justified in attacking Russia and Putin for his reprehensible support of Iran, Syria and other Islamofascist despotic regimes in the Middle East who are enemies of Israel, we must also understand that our traitorous leaders in Washington have also been covertly supporting Iran and working in co-operation with the Islamofascist Iranian religious mullahs for decades, as for example in Iraq, Bosnia, Kosovo and Afghanistan. We must also acknowledge that expanding NATO right up to Russia's borders, basing strategic missiles in Poland and supporting Saakashvili's attack on South Ossetia - which was really an attack on Russia by proxy - was and is a terrible mistake that could lead us - G-d forbid - into a catastrophic nuclear war with Russia.


Shalom,

Joshua.
Title: Re: Why is there a Save Serbia?
Post by: cjd on September 21, 2008, 09:38:52 AM
The Vatican was main responsible to the lauch of communism on Russian and Serbian soil! David Duke and others want to blame the Jews for the faults of the West.

You Jews were for 2000 prosecuted by the Vatican and we Orthodox nation were for 1000 years long prosecuted by the same Vatican.

We have common enemies.
When all reasonable argument fails blame it on the Vatican  ;D
Title: Re: Why is there a Save Serbia?
Post by: Lisa on September 21, 2008, 11:15:34 AM
Aryeh, you should definitely check out Julia Gorin's blog.  She's right wing, Jewish, and is an expert on Serbia/Albania. 

The reason there's a Save Serbia section here is that Chaim Ben Pesach feels VERY strongly about supporting the Serbs.  As I understand it, and perhaps the other Serbs here can back me up, during WWII, the Serbs protected the Jews, and managed to kill quite a few nazis.  The Serbs were also America's allies in both World Wars.  They would shelter downed American pilots, whereas the Albanians would turn them into the Nazis. 

The fact that Bill Clinton had these people bombed to create a moosie narco terror state is a travesty.  If it can happen in Europe, it can certainly happen to Israel, with her growing Arab population. 
Title: Re: Why is there a Save Serbia?
Post by: Zelhar on September 21, 2008, 12:48:37 PM
One thing must be cleared out: JTF does not support Russia at all. Dlamacija's has his own views about poxy Russia which I am not sure even the other Serbs here share with him.

However it is completely unjustified to blame Serbs for the crimes which had been committed by the Russians. The While the Russians, and the Russian Orthodox Church were rabid anti-Jewish for hundreds of years, the Serbs who are also Orthodox Christians have been traditionally among the most tolerant folk in Europe. 
Title: Re: Why is there a Save Serbia?
Post by: george_jtf on September 21, 2008, 02:18:57 PM
AryehYehudah should really start reading more and read things backed up by facts, not fiction...
The easiest thing to do is to say "they did this, they did that", but proving it is a whole another story.

1. Franjo Tudjman, former Croatian president who died 10 years ago wrote a book (you can probably find it on the internet) where he claims that the Holocaust is a myth created to give jews a pity from the world. In that same book, he claimed that only 50,000 Serbs, Jews, Croats and Gypsies were killed in Nazi Croatia during WWII. Obviously, we all know that this ain't the truth..How else can over 1,000,000 Serbs, 90,000 Jews, 60,000 Gypsies dissapear by the end of the war in WWII? Maybe it is just me, but there is something wrong there.
2. In an open rally right before Croatia declared independence in 1990's, Tudjman said that he is happy to know that his wife is not a Serb, Jew or a dog.....and this is the guy whom our own US government supported and sent retired generals to train croatian military. Again, something just ain't right.
3. The synagogue in croatian capital Zagreb was bombed during the war. Those Jews who did not leave Croatia for Israel moved to Serbia. Obviously, they did not move to Serbia, which according to you is an anti-semite nation, because they wanted to be looked upon as second-class citizens, but rather that they felt a lot more safe in Serbia than in pro-nazi Croatia.
4. I had a priviledge to meet Major Richard Felman, an US Air Force pilot in WWII, who was shut down and was rescued by Chetniks eventhough he was told by his superiors prior to his mission that Chetniks would turn US pilots and soldiers over to the Germans. He found out that those were all lies and was one of 500 US pilots saved by the chetniks eventhough they were betrayed by the Allies after 1943.
5. Events such as the Sarajevo breadline massacre were blamed on the Serbs first by the media, then by most of the world.  Shortly after this, US openly supported Bosnian Muslims. Not even one month later, it was proven by facts (not fiction) clearly documented by the UN that the massacre was organized and executed by Bosnian Muslims to get the world's opinion on their side. UN commanders in Bosnia during the civil war warned the Bosnian Muslims that if such events occured again, they will no longer be able to stop the Serbs.
6. How can Serbs attack Bosnia, Croatia and Kosovo if Serbs have lived there for over a millenium? It is an oxymoron. Let's be honest, when you or most of the world says the word Bosnians, they right away think of Bosnian Muslims, eventhough Bosnian Muslims only make up around 43% of the Bosnian population? Oh, and how can Serbs in Bosnia conquer 67% of Bosnia if Serbs owned 67% of Bosnian soil? See, there is something there that just doesn't make sense. This is a well documented fact. How? Because Serbs and Croats in Bosnia were predominantly farmers while Bosnian Muslims were predominantly merchants in big towns. And have you checked how these Bosnian Muslims came to Bosnia? They are not true Muslims from Middle East, but rather Serbs and Croats who converted to Islam and treated their own brethren worse than the Turks to show their loyalty. For many Serbs, these Bosnian Muslims are traitors to their own people who converted to Islam for a better life.

I have seen some of these neo-Nazi Serbs in Serbia, but large majority of Serbs, as high as 98%,  look at them as bunch of uneducated idiots who have nothing better to do with their life. Even the Serbian Radical Party officials were invited to Israel, not the Croats or Muslims. Why? You should ask yourself that question.

the problem with your opinion is that you seem to claim things without any factual proof.

One thing that Hitler said was "good thing is that people are stupid, otherwise I would have never come to power"

As an American of Serbian descent, I am a proud supporter of Israel. Why? Because like Serbs, Israel is a nation which is a big wall standing against Muslim dream of world domination.
Title: Re: Why is there a Save Serbia?
Post by: AryehYehudah on September 21, 2008, 06:41:52 PM

One thing that Hitler said was "good thing is that people are stupid, otherwise I would have never come to power"


Yes Hitler made a famous quote, which holds much truth, "Thank G-d for the leaders, the people cannot think."

Well, I admit I don't know everything about Serbs, but will do research.  I just know about a majority of Orthodox Christian nations were and are still the most virulent anti-semites in the world.  If you don't believe me I can do research and post you many examples of the teachings and history of treatment of JEws by Orthodox Christians.  I don't actually know that Serbia had a different type of Orthodox Christianity than the Russians.  Actually, Dalmacija is probably the first Serb I ever conversed with personally, either online or in real life, so maybe he gave me a bad impression of your people.  He seems very anti-American, pro-Russia and even supports Islam.  I am sorry if I have been misled.  You know I have conversed with many Orthodox Christians all over the world and so many of them treat me with contempt and many have insulted me and called me the most horrible names, like "Christ Killer".  I talked with this Russian Orthodox man here in USA, who asked me, "Why did I murder his Jesus?"  and "When will they stop hurting those poor people in Palestine."   

I am just reading time and time again, how Serbia and Russia are now staunch allies.  How can Jews be friends with a person who is friends of our enemy?  This is why I disregarded Serbs as any ally or friend.  I can be wrong, I am known to be wrong and will try to learn more.  If most Serbians oppose being allies with Russia and they don't teach demonic doctrines in the church against Jews, then I will support and befriend them.

The thing that Dalmacija said that [censored] me off the most , is "Why should Jews be leaders in an Orthodox Christian country."  He was referring to Russia, a land where Jews paid taxes, lost their villages, homes, women raped.  A country where they contributed so much culture and even would fight to defend.  I was telling him that in Russia, they would not allow people to have high office positions because they had Jewish blood in them, even though their ancestors lived in the country over 1000 years and many suffered with their blood.   I hope most Serbians are different from him.  If any Jew would give his life fighting for Serbia, are you to say he or his offspring should not hold a high pollitical office in Serbia, assuming he and his ancestors lived there for many, many generations and he fluently spoke your language and was part of your culture?     This man also is calling Russia , mama bear and celebrating the destruction of our ally and only pro-Israel eastern european country, named Georgia.  Do many Serbs, call Russia, mama bear and enjoy watching Georgia invaded, like how Serbia  was?

Pardon my ignorance, I don't know a whole lot of Serbs, except what I have read on news and from the posts from this guy.  It was not part of the world that I have concentrated on, but now I will look at more.  I would find it interesting that Israel can have an ally who has a religion of Orthodoxy Christianity, since about over 90% of Orthodox countries are not friends at all with Israel, except for Georgia, perhaps.   Israel's Orthodox Enemies: Russia, Ukraine, Greece, Cyprus, Romania, Macedonia, Syria, Belarus, Moldova and others, I have also not mentioend.   All these churches have highly anti-semitic doctrines and have a long history of causing many hardships and oppressing the Jewish people.  I hope there is exceptions.  As of late, I know many Coptic Christians in Egypt have warmed to Jewish people, not that their doctrine loves Jews, but because how Muslims have been oppressing them, they feel that Jews are now perhaps their greatest and closest ally.  However, even in many conversations with them, I will be asked, "Why did we murder Zeus Jesus?"
Title: Re: Why is there a Save Serbia?
Post by: Lisa on September 21, 2008, 06:45:36 PM
I don't blame you for being skeptical Aryeh.  But stick around, check out the links put up on this thread, and continue to ask questions.  You can ask Chaim a question on the next Ask JTF. 
Title: Re: Why is there a Save Serbia?
Post by: 4International on September 22, 2008, 08:11:06 AM
“The well-orchestrated and well-engineered demonization of the Serbs is a warning to all Jews who want Israel to continue to exist. Israel can become a target.”

“Those deliberately promoting radical Islam in Europe will promote radicalism and Islam everywhere.”


Lies, Damned Lies and Statistics
Yohanan Ramati

BULLETIN OF THE JERUSALEM INSTITUTE FOR WESTERN DEFENSE
A Comparative Case Study of The Yugoslav
and Middle East Crises
Volume 9, Bulletin No. 4
December, 1996.


http://www.serbianunity.net/news/world_articles/ramati.html (http://www.serbianunity.net/news/world_articles/ramati.html)

excerpts below:


Statesmen, politicians and journalists have lied deliberately throughout human history. Indeed, human history, usually written by unprincipled victors, contains so many falsehoods that the search for truth often becomes an impossible task. Even the currently accepted axioms are false. the lies of democratic statesmen are often as monumental as the lies of the most tyrannical dictators. In both cases, the motives are love of power and greed.

The age of rapid air transportation, television and computers has created a world in which cheating all the people all the time is easier than at any time in history, while cheating most people most of the time is the normative political phenomenon.

So truth has become what Washington wants it to be. When it does not correspond to the facts, the facts are buried beneath a barrage of television, radio and press propaganda kowtowing to Big Brother.

In principle, there is little to distinguish today’s US propaganda about the Yugoslav crisis or West European propaganda about the Middle East crisis (with which the US is often in tactic sympathy) from the propaganda of Goebbels, Stalin or, for that matter, the Ayatollah Khomeini and Saddam Hussein. The lies are equally outrageous, the half-truths are equally misleading and the goals are fundamentally the same - more power and more money for those who dictate policy.

US policy-makers and power brokers protect themselves by a smoke screen of lies disseminated in the press and media.

This comparative case study is necessary not only because the parallels between the history of Serbia and the history of the Jews in the land of King David and King Solomon are too many to be ignored, but also since the attitude of the Western powers - and in particular the US - to both the Yugoslav and the Middle Eastern crisis is largely determined by the pro-Muslim bias of their policy-makers and power brokers.  

Whether or not the Albanians in Kosovo claim to have been there before the Serbs - in fancy dress or otherwise - the facts remain that the cradle of Serb nationalism is in Kosovo, while the cradle of Jewish nationalism is in Judea and Samaria - in Hebron, Jerusalem, Jericho and Shiloh. Kosovo was ethnically cleansed of most of its Serbs. Judea and Samaria were ethnically cleansed of most of their Jews. But this cannot wipe out history and the respective Serb and Jewish claims to these regions.

More recent parallels are even more telling. Both Serbs and Jews fought the Nazis during the Second World War and both Serbs and Jews were the victims of persecution and murder by Hitler and his allies - the Croat “Ustashis” and the Bosnian Muslims. Moreover, the Arabs of the Middle East openly supported Hitler whenever an opportunity arose. Yet both Serbia and Israel were and are being pressed by the Western powers to make territorial concessions to their old-new enemies.  

This pressure, which Israel has experienced since its birth in 1948 and Yugoslavia since its dismemberment by American-German fair, has been exerted with the assistance of lying propaganda in the Western media, which utilize the ability technological progress has given them to brainwash ever-increasing masses of the world’s population.

This organized anti-Serb and pro-Muslim propaganda should cause anyone believing in democracy and free speech serious concern. It recalls Hitler’s propaganda against Allies in World War II. Facts are twisted and, when convenient, disregarded. The selectivity in reporting and comment is far too blatant to be accidental.

The well-orchestrated and well-engineered demonization of the Serbs is a warning to all Jews who want Israel to continue to exist. Israel can become a target. Why are Muslim states (unless attacked by other Muslim states) usually portrayed as innocent victims of aggression?  why are the outrages they commit ignored or condoned? Is it because media editors, reporters and commentators in democratic states are afraid to risk the wrath of financiers and oil interests sponsoring them? Is democratic public opinion controlled by the few for their own profit?

For Israelis (and some other people usually at the receiving end of similar machinations and hate propaganda, like the Maronite Christians of Lebanon or the whites and the Zulus of South Africa) the answer to this question - i.e. the nature and motives of the perpetrators - could be a matter of life and death. Those deliberately promoting radical Islam in Europe will promote radicalism and Islam everywhere. And the Western partners in this venture believe in the power of money far too much to realize that they are creating a menace that will eventually eliminate them too.

The role of the media in general, and the American media in particular, while these events were occurring was to justify US policy.

Of course, there are differences between the ongoing betrayals of the Israeli Jews, the Lebanese Christians and the Serbs by the West. But viewed against the background of historical trends, these differences are minor. In each case, the basic reasons are the greed of “globalist” business interests involved and allied with Muslim rulers for their personal and institutional profit, and the control exercised by these interests over US and many West European politicians.

The “One World” their propaganda is trying to sell us is a world in which they can decide which states exist and which are destroyed.

In the US, where the general public still does not really like Hitler’s World War II allies and dislikes foreign interventions on behalf of authoritarian states with no pro-American record, this required an organized campaign promoting hatred of Serbs by every technological means and propaganda trick available, whitewashing Croats and depicting the Bosnian Muslims as peace loving and US-loving democrats whose women and children were being killed by Serb war criminals. The technique of the Goebbelsian “Big Lie” was applied shamelessly, ruthlessly and effectively.

Full article available here:

http://www.serbianunity.net/news/world_articles/ramati.html
Title: Re: Why is there a Save Serbia?
Post by: george_jtf on September 22, 2008, 02:37:53 PM
AryehYehudah, you have asked why do the Serbs support Russia and the "civil" war in Georgia? Why do serbs support a country which attacked Georgia, which is pro-Israeli?

Again, it seems that you do not know the history of the region enough and the politics behind it.

The answer is exactly that: politics.

It has a lot to do with which side supports which side.
Ossetia and Abkhazia were part of Georgia from 1920's (as a gift from Stalin to his homeland Georgia) 'till the early 1990's. It was "never" part of Georgia before the Russian Revolution in 1917. Why does US support Georgia? Because of the  (a) pipelines that go through Georgia from Central Asia, (b) geopolitical location of Georgia.  $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Take my word, Georgians are not pro-Israeli, that is just bunch of bs. The only reason that seems to make sense is because of the military industry because Georgia got some of its weapons and military training from Israel.

Why is USA pro-muslim? Again, oil and money. If it wasn't, the Middle-East conflict would have been resolved many years ago. It wasn't Israel which tried to conquer most of Europe, but the Arab and Turkish Muslims. As long as there is need for oil and muslims are given open hands to do as they wish, the conflict will not be resolved. Without oil, there is no money. Without money, there are no weapons. Without weapons, there is no war.

Problems in former Yugoslavia would have been resolved without a single shot if it was in the interest of US and the West. Wars need weapons and weapons mean $$$$$$. The Western countries also needed the war in Bosnia and Kosovo to please their so-called allies in Middle East. You have no idea just how many mosques, that have been built in post-war Yugoslavia, were built with Saudi money.

Serbs did not ask for the US and the West to be pro-serb, but rather neutral. If it was neutral, wars in bosnia, croatia, Serbia (Kosovo) would not have occured because Croats, Muslims, and Albanians knew that they could not win against the Serbs. If you don't believe it, please look deeper into the history of the conflict and see that it makes more sense....

It is one thing to attack a country and another to defend yourself. I can bet that you have no idea whatsoever how long has each of these ethnic groups lived in those areas and why is there a conflict. Look for yourself much deeper in the conflict and you will see that some things just don't make sense when you look at the media reports and what the historical facts say. I have personally stopped reading and watching news on tv or papers. I only trust news on the internet because there are more than one source which gives different points of view. Obviously, US media is not going to be anti-US government although many of us would like news to be neutral, but it isn't.

The strong connection between Serbs and Russians goes back even before American Revolution.

Would you feel the same if Russia was pro-Israeli and US pro-muslim?

Again, it is all politics.

Imagine tomorrow that you are a Jew living in Germany. All of a sudden, Germany uses the same flag and ideology as during the Nazis, but yet it says that it is democratic. I am pretty positive that you would not feel very comfortable. That is exactly what happened in Croatia where croatian government used the same anthem, currency and flag as they did during the Croatian Nazi government between April 1941 and May 1945, which is responsible for the concentration camps in NDH, which account for more than 1 million Serbs (fact which is supported by the Holocaust Memorial Centers), 90,000 Jews, 60,000 Gypsies.  They used those same things in the 1990's when the conflicts in ex-Yu started.

As someone of Serbian descent who lives in USA, I never would say that "all Americans" are anti-Serb because that would make me an idiot and a bigot. I support my country and the Constitution.  The problem is those in the power/government who are misinforming its own citizens. Believe me, if we knew all the little but extremely important facts about various conflicts in the world, we wouldn't support majority of our own government's foreign policies.
Title: Re: Why is there a Save Serbia?
Post by: Djape on September 22, 2008, 07:13:28 PM
@george_jtf  - Great post.


I don't understand where this "Serbs are all anti Jew" Comes from??
Throughout my whole life i have never been anti Jew, nor do i know of any Serbs who are.

I'm sure you can find some, but you can always find someone who is anti anything if you look hard enough.

But most Serbs i know have strong support and understanding for what Jews have gone through.

Title: Re: Why is there a Save Serbia?
Post by: MasterWolf1 on September 23, 2008, 12:25:27 AM
Do me a favor, please do not lump Christians and especially Catholics and trying divide people.   We are here and we are united.  By the way AryehYehudah, I am Catholic and my resume speaks high volumes with my fight for Jewish causes more then I fight for Christian causes.  And please do not go and start attacking the Vatican that is not going to get you far around here.  We either going to work together or we will have our enemies work us over.  Your choice Bubba.  I want us working together we got an enemy that wants us all dead.
Title: Re: Why is there a Save Serbia?
Post by: muman613 on September 23, 2008, 01:59:02 AM
I have a simple question for you though. If you wish to be taken seriously here on this forum and if indeed you are Jewish, then why are you - as a JEW - quoting a pro-Ustasha Holocaust-denying BOSNIAN MUSLIM NAZI blog site on Wordpress which contains such laughable examples of Taqiyya muslim Nazi lies such as this priceless gem:

Ok, oops.. I didn't realize..  i just was typing quickly and googled serbian nazis.. my mistake.. I will find another site then..  I don't know much of Serbia being nazi state, except I know it has an emerging neo-nazi movement, like its brother country, Russia.  Forgive me and I will remove the link and find better one.   I am 100% Ashkenazi Jew, with family from Ukraine, Russia and Poland.  My grand mother escaped nazis in Ukranian village.  All people in her village are dead now, as the nazis came there and forced them all to dig their own graves before shooting all of them.  If you like to visit some of my relatives in Ukraine, you can go visit local Jewish cemetary.  Assuming it has not bee ncompletely desecrated with swastikas or turned into a shopping mall.


Shalom AryehYehudah,

You and I are like brothers. My family is from Ukraine and Poland and our cities were demolished in Pogroms. The city of Uman was the site of a pogrom which killed over 50,000 Jews. The goyim were barbarians and I am so glad my family got out of there in the late 1890s early 1900s.

I dont really understand the situation in Serbia. But we have been persecuted in every country we have lived except for the United States. My family has flourished in this country.

muman613
Title: Re: Why is there a Save Serbia?
Post by: AryehYehudah on September 23, 2008, 04:01:47 AM
I have a simple question for you though. If you wish to be taken seriously here on this forum and if indeed you are Jewish, then why are you - as a JEW - quoting a pro-Ustasha Holocaust-denying BOSNIAN MUSLIM NAZI blog site on Wordpress which contains such laughable examples of Taqiyya muslim Nazi lies such as this priceless gem:

Ok, oops.. I didn't realize..  i just was typing quickly and googled serbian nazis.. my mistake.. I will find another site then..  I don't know much of Serbia being nazi state, except I know it has an emerging neo-nazi movement, like its brother country, Russia.  Forgive me and I will remove the link and find better one.   I am 100% Ashkenazi Jew, with family from Ukraine, Russia and Poland.  My grand mother escaped nazis in Ukranian village.  All people in her village are dead now, as the nazis came there and forced them all to dig their own graves before shooting all of them.  If you like to visit some of my relatives in Ukraine, you can go visit local Jewish cemetary.  Assuming it has not bee ncompletely desecrated with swastikas or turned into a shopping mall.


Shalom AryehYehudah,

You and I are like brothers. My family is from Ukraine and Poland and our cities were demolished in Pogroms. The city of Uman was the site of a pogrom which killed over 50,000 Jews. The goyim were barbarians and I am so glad my family got out of there in the late 1890s early 1900s.

I dont really understand the situation in Serbia. But we have been persecuted in every country we have lived except for the United States. My family has flourished in this country.

muman613


Shalom Muman,
Yes, its nice to hear from you my brother and I feel your suffering and I think you can relate to me on these issues.  Some Gentiles will gloat over my complaints, thinking I am just whining.  They say how can I say anything against Christianity or life in Eastern Europe.  One Serbian here had the nerve to tell me, that a Jew have no right to be a leader in Russsia, cause he is not Orthodox CHristian.  Even though we lived there 1000+ years and suffered with our blood for these countries.  I think many of them will turn a blind eye to the fact that many years of our suffering we faced under European Christian rule.  Many here talk about how tolerant their religions were, but in reality , the CHristians in the USA were the only people who gave us refuge and because of them we have the second largest Jewish population in the world here.  What we face from the Muslims today, we almost faced from our European hosts 100s of years ago.  As for those who support Russia, Russia and its Otrhodoxy, are still as anti-semitic as many arab nations, am I suppose to keep quiet about that too?

Shalom MasterWolf,
I never actually insulted the vatican.  I think the Serbian members of the board I conversed with earlier (please read their posts on this board), did much more slandering of the Catholic church than I did.   I don't recall even saying much about it, but let me say this now.  Please, don't be offended, I will respect many CHristians/Cathoilcs, but I will not close my eyes to persecution that Christians/Catholics have done to Jews in the past.  Nonetheless, I think there is many Catholics who support Israel and have made good friends with Jews, like yourself.  There is however many Catholics who still hate Jews, every bit as much as Muslims, such as The Poles?  Do you deny that Jews are not hated in Catholic country of Poland?   Personally, I think Jews have done well in some Catholic countries, like Italy, but I also will not deny that the Spanish Catholics did a good job trying to obliterate us "CHrist killers".  Even during those days, we had to run to a Muslim country to seek refuge from Christians.  What an unfortunate time for us.  I know the tides have turned; I am not blind.   One thing you should understand, you're not Jewish, you never been called a "Christ killer" or many of the hundreds of names I have by both Muslims and CHristians, probably.  It attacks me on the inside and I have a resentment amongst some Christians.  WHen I was young boy at school, some bad kids make fun of me saying, "Jews are bad, they murdered Jesus".   I have learned to respect the good Christians who love Israel and don't antagonize by siding with her enemies.  Read these posts again, before you criticize me, thank you.  Pardon my hard feelings of Christian/Catholic faith, I know it can be very good, when people follow it kind teachings and don't use it as a weapon to force our conversions and opppress us.

I will serve side by side with you, if you are pro-Israel, pro-American, anti-Fascist, anti-Russian, anti-Islam..   Shalom Alecheim.
Title: Re: Why is there a Save Serbia?
Post by: 4International on September 23, 2008, 05:42:56 AM
Shalom AryehYehudah,

you wrote earlier "Sorry for being a bit overzealous here, I know  I have the habit of overstepping boundaries."

you assessed yourself quite well. You really need to throttle back a bit and remember that you began this thread with comments such as:

"Why does a Jewish website support a country [Serbia] that has been preaching that Jews are lowlife Christ killers."

"I think all Orthodox Christian countries should go to hell with rest of islamonazi bastards."


"How come none of you guys talk about Serbia's nazi past?"

"Just because the Germans massacred a number of Serbians, who were fighting for their own country, not for us Jews, doesn't make them noble people or our friends."

Of course you were dead wrong on all of the above - especially the part about "Serbia's nazi past". You were conflating your family experiences of terrible suffering in the former USSR republic of Ukraine at the hands of Russians - whose religion is Christian Orthodox - and the fact that Serbia is also a Christian Orthodox country which is a traditional ally of Russia.

You were condemning the Serbs for the crimes of the Russians since they are traditional allies and share the same Christian faith.This is a wrong-headed approach. While I can totally understand your pain and anger at the Russians for what they did to your family you were so quick to condemn the Serbs as a nation that you ended up posting a link from a Bosnian muslim nazi Holocaust-denying blog on how the Serbs were supposedly Nazis during WW2. A little bit ironic wouldn't you say?

You were talking with your heart and not thinking with your head which is why you just quickly typed in "Serbian Nazis" into Google and ended up posting a link to a Holocaust-denying Bosnian muslim Nazi blog which glorifies and celebrates the Bosnian muslim "Handschar" SS division who incidentally were guilty of cutting the hearts and intestines out of living Jews, Serbs and Roma during the Holocaust in the Ustasha Nazi  "Independent State of Croatia" (NDH).

This Bosnian muslim SS division was set up by Heinrich Himmler and the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, the Arab antisemite and co-architect of the Holocaust who just happened to be Yasser Arafat's uncle - Hajj Amin al Husseini!! THIS SS DIVISION  EVEN WORE THE CROATIAN FLAG ON THEIR UNIFORMS ALONG WITH THE TURKISH SWORD "HANDSCHAR" ON THEIR COLLARS.

13.SS-Waffen-Gebirgs-Division der SS
"Handschar" (Croat No. 1)


(http://www.waffen-ss.no/SS-Divisjoner/emblem_13.gif)

(http://axis101.bizland.com/CroatianSSinsignia1.jpg)

(http://www.patriot.dk/handschar.jpg)

(http://www.patriot.dk/mufti.jpg)


(http://www.srpska-mreza.com/bookstore/handschar/handschar.jpg)

(http://www.srpska-mreza.com/bookstore/handschar/imami.jpg)

(http://symbolictruth.fateback.com/handschar.png)

(http://www.waffen-ss.no/Bilder/handschar.jpg)

I am very happy that you removed that link and I presume by now you are sufficiently well informed to realize that Serbia and the Serbs were not Nazis during the Holocaust and that they were not just fighting nobly on behalf of their own country but that they paid an enormous price by sacrificing countless Serbian lives in Serbia, Montenegro, Bosnia, Herzegovina, Krajina, Croatia, Slovenia - all up well over 1.7 Million Serbs were killed in these territories during the Holocaust.

I agree with you and MarZutra that the Russians are lying to the Serbs by playing good cop against the United States. The Russians stood by and did NOTHING for Serbia - even agreeing to devastating UN sanctions in May of 1992 aftger the Bosnian muslims perpetrated a massacre against their very own people in a bread queue in the Bosnian capital of Sarajevo.

While Israel's Mossad was covertly sending ammunition to the Bosnian Serbs, the United States under George Herbert Walker Bush (Bush Snr), William Jefferson - "I did not have sex with that woman" - Clinton and now George Bandar Wahabbi Bush Jnr worked in full co-operation with the Iranians, Saudi Arabia and the Organization of Islamic Countries [OIC] Conference IN ARMING THE BOSNIAN AND ALBANIAN MUSLIM TERRORISTS AND IN ARMING THE USTASHA NAZI CROATS. These traitorous US leaders - bothe Republican and Democrat - WORKED HAND IN GLOVE WITH THE MUSLIM TERRORISTS IN ORDER TO HAND OVER ON A SILVER PLATTER the Serbs' own 1,000 year old "Jerusalem" - their Kosovo and Metohija - to the Albanian muslim drug dealing, bodily organ dissecting/trafficking and child-sex slavery racketeering Islamofascist Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA) terrorists.

MarZutra is 100% correct that America is run by a globalist supranational socialist elite (eg the CFR, Trilateral and Bilderberg groups) who believe in WORKING TOGETHER WITH THE MUSLIMS AND COMMUNISTS in furtherance of their goal of the destruction of nation states like Israel and Serbia.

 These US and EU elitists openly declare in their speeches and publications (like the CFR journal "Foreign Affairs") that such nation states and the concept of national sovereignty ARE OBSOLETE! These Western elitists whom run the US and European Union believe in their destiny to rule the globe in a one-world government.

This talk of a "one-world government" is no paranoid "conspiracy theory". These US and EU political elites OPENLY admit it in their own publications!

These USand EU elites have supported Iran and other third world despotic muslim hell holes in the Middle East FOR DECADES and continue to support such Islamofascist despots in acquiring nuclear weapons and have pressured the White House and Israel NOT to attack Iran!!

Need HARD PROOF? Well I'm glad you asked! Read below!
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"CFR to Bush: Stop Israeli strike on Iran's nuke sites!"  

SPECIAL TO WORLD TRIBUNE.COM

A report by the New York-based Council on Foreign Relations urged the Bush administration to stop any Israeli attempt to strike Iran's nuclear facilities.

The council warned that such an Israeli attack would be blamed on the United States and hurt its interests in the region.

"Since Washington would be blamed for any unilateral Israeli military strike, the United States should, in any case, make it quite clear to Israel that U.S. interests would be adversely affected by such a move," the report, entitled "Iran: Time for a New Approach," said.

The U.S. report, drafted by an independent task force sponsored by the council, said Washington should resolve concerns over Iran's nuclear weapons program by coordinating with the European Union. But the council ruled out any military attack on Iran's nuclear facilities.

"In addition, any military effort to eliminate Iranian weapons capabilities runs the significant risk of reinforcing Teheran's desire to acquire a nuclear deterrent and of provoking nationalist passions in defense of that very course," the task force said. "It would most likely generate also hostile Iranian initiatives in Iraq and Afghanistan."

The report also said direct U.S. efforts to overthrow the Iranian clerical regime would not succeed. The council said the regime could eventually provide greater liberties to its people.

http://www.worldtribune.com/worldtribune/WTARC/2004/ss_israel_07_30.html (http://www.worldtribune.com/worldtribune/WTARC/2004/ss_israel_07_30.html)

http://www.cfr.org/pdf/Iran_TF.pdf (http://www.cfr.org/pdf/Iran_TF.pdf)


BOTH BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA and JOHN MCCAIN ARE MEMBERS OF THE GLOBALIST CFR AND AS SUCH MUST - BY DEFINITION -  AGREE WITH THE CFR'S , ANTI-AMERICAN ANTI-CONSTITUTIONAL, PRO-GLOBALIST ONE-WORLD GOVERNMENT GOALS
Title: Re: Why is there a Save Serbia?
Post by: AryehYehudah on September 23, 2008, 07:00:27 AM
Shalom,
Ok Good response.  Pardon my ignorance on Serbia.  Please stop bashing my head over the link, I removed it.  It was mistake, I was trigger happy.  You know why I acted like this: A. I don't know much of Serbia, 2. The only thing I know about Serbia is from Pro-Russian, Anti-America posts on this board.  I got inflamed from reading all their propaganda type posts.  Sorry your mad and yes I am out of steam.  IF Serbia is a Christian ally of Russia, do they support the same type of teachings against Jews in their churches?  I suppose from what I read, Serbians did not involve  themselves in pogroms and murders of Jews, like Russians.    Please, read some of these posts and you can see they are not directed against just America's left, some of these anti-American posts are agasinst the foundations of America, that is what angered me.   I don't like hearing people supporting Russia (Putin), Chavez, Castro, saying America attacks poor countries.  THis is the same stuff I hear from Barack Hussein Obama.  Ok, as i Told u earlier, if Serbians were not so pro-Russian, maybe I would have been there to give them support against the ALbano-nazis .  I have plenty of enemies in USA, so do I go around insulting USA and praising Russia?  Sorry, don't mean to be blunt and I hope I am not slapped for this, but I think many Serbians here are cop-outs.  And, if they are friends of Russia, they are not my friend.  That is my two-cents.  Sorry if I am hated, reviled for speaking my mind.

BTW.. I know Bosnian, mufti-Al Husseini is the founder of Palestine and I know Croatia is a neo-nazi state..  I don't really personally think Jews have any friends in the Balkans or any place in Europe.

P.S. I posted this twice, since you posted your response on both threads.
Title: Re: Why is there a Save Serbia?
Post by: 4International on September 23, 2008, 07:43:52 AM
Shalom AryehYehudah,

thanks for your great reply. I think that some of our Serbian friends here are reacting to America in a very similar way that - understandably - you are reacting towards Russia - out of deep hurt and anger. They are fooled into believing that Russia will help them because they are of the same Christian Orthodox faith and Russia came to their aid in the wars against muslim Turkey in the 19th  century and came to their defense against the Germans, Austrians and Hungarians in World War 1.But Russia was really fighting for its own interests in many ways.

What makes the betrayal so much worse and painful for the Serbs is that the Serbs fought heroically and nobly on OUR [USA/ALLIED] SIDE in TWO WORLD WARS, whereas Russia/USSR was at least understood to be an enemy of Israel from the 1960's onwards especially.

Chaim did a great video on this US/European betrayal of the Serbs entitled:

"The Betrayal Of the Heroic Serbs"

I highly recommend that you view it - link below:

http://www.flix.co.il/tapuz/showVideo.asp?m=2474202 (http://www.flix.co.il/tapuz/showVideo.asp?m=2474202)


Shalom,

Joshua.

Title: Re: Why is there a Save Serbia?
Post by: Ambiorix on September 23, 2008, 09:49:05 AM

AryehYehudah :

<< One Serbian here had the nerve to tell me, that a Jew have no right to be a leader in Russsia, cause he is not Orthodox CHristian.  Even though we lived there 1000+ years and suffered with our blood for these countries.  >>

Chaim Ben Pesach says the Jews must NOT rule Gentile countries. If I am right, it is against Thora.
But it is not my will to teach Jews Thora here.

Assimilation is bad for Jews, also in this regard, it is indeed bad that Jews would rule Gentile's countries.



<<I think many of them will turn a blind eye to the fact that many years of our suffering we faced under European Christian rule.  >>

i noticed that too. That is rather self-hating of them.


<<Many here talk about how tolerant their religions were, but in reality , the CHristians in the USA were the only people who gave us refuge and because of them we have the second largest Jewish population in the world here.  >>

Some of these Christians fled away from religious wars in Europe and moved to America.
But do not forget, that also in Europe, some individuals saved Jews from the Nazis, or from the Spanish Inquisition.



<<What we face from the Muslims today, we almost faced from our European hosts 100s of years ago.  As for those who support Russia, Russia and its Otrhodoxy, are still as anti-semitic as many arab nations.>>

That is correct. And that's why I advise all Jews to return to Israel, and make it's future safe.
Title: Re: Why is there a Save Serbia?
Post by: AryehYehudah on September 23, 2008, 10:41:07 AM

AryehYehudah :

<< One Serbian here had the nerve to tell me, that a Jew have no right to be a leader in Russsia, cause he is not Orthodox CHristian.  Even though we lived there 1000+ years and suffered with our blood for these countries.  >>

Chaim Ben Pesach says the Jews must NOT rule Gentile countries. If I am right, it is against Thora.
But it is not my will to teach Jews Thora here.

Assimilation is bad for Jews, also in this regard, it is indeed bad that Jews would rule Gentile's countries.



<<I think many of them will turn a blind eye to the fact that many years of our suffering we faced under European Christian rule.  >>

i noticed that too. That is rather self-hating of them.


<<Many here talk about how tolerant their religions were, but in reality , the CHristians in the USA were the only people who gave us refuge and because of them we have the second largest Jewish population in the world here.  >>

Some of these Christians fled away from religious wars in Europe and moved to America.
But do not forget, that also in Europe, some individuals saved Jews from the Nazis, or from the Spanish Inquisition.



<<What we face from the Muslims today, we almost faced from our European hosts 100s of years ago.  As for those who support Russia, Russia and its Otrhodoxy, are still as anti-semitic as many arab nations.>>

That is correct. And that's why I advise all Jews to return to Israel, and make it's future safe.


DO you mean the Holy Torah, what is Thora??   Well the leadership issue is Chaim's opinion, I have mine.  I am not an ultra-orthodox Jew and many Jews will voice different opiniohns.  Some even say we are not to live in Israel until Messiah comes.   I, myself believe that Israel is still colonized and needs to be recaptured.  If I was president of USA, this dream can be a greater reality.  Why should I wait for a gentile to save me and my people, if people have given me the ability to do it?   If Jews shed their blood in a country and their blood makes the grass grow, that in my opinion is not a pure gentile country.   King Shlomo had advisers and rulers with domiinon over pagan lands at times, as I recall.  Believe it or not, us Jews had a very large empire at one time and a kingdom that was vast.  Really, I could care less about ruling a country that oppressed my people.  However, it is the concept that they tell a man who has "Russian Orthodox faith" , because he has Jewish genes, that he is not allowed to rule the country.  That is nazism and Russians follow it more than any other country in Europe.  Deny if you will, truth hurts.  Many were saying that the current Prime Minister of Russia should not lead, cause they believe he has JEwish blood.  Bunch of nazi scumbags in my opinion!  Pardon me for being shrewd.  As for Russian Eugenics, they are not so pure and why they single out Jews, when even there is Islamic people in their parliament is beyond me.

You see that little dot on the map they call Israel, that is not even close to our entire land.  How do we cram 6 million Jews and 1 million arabs in an area the size of San Francisco bay area is beyond me.  As you know, us Jews hardly have a country still. So the best way to get it is to be leaders, and partake in our current homes while we are forced to live away.  I mean, the Kingdom of Isarel expanded so very far and thanks to Roman and Arab thievery, we are left with so little.  Even our very home, Jerusalem is under threat to be divided and given to arab nazi slugs.

 So for you to say I must be slave and never take a high position in government, cause I am not as good as you, that is I am a Jew, not a CHristian, I find to be unjust.  Yes, if me and my forefathers have lived in your country, paid taxes to your government, fought in your wars, speak your language, I feel we deserve to be part of your government.  Yes, we can even lead your country to.  Us Jews have made some very great and mighty leaders.  The deadbeats you seen as of late are the result of non-religious and self-hating Jews who are more or less elected by European governments and brainwashed self-hating Jews.   I believe G-d rules heaven and earth and his throne is in Jerusalem, but we are to be scattered around the globe.  So, should we just hide and have no power, so that the next group of anti-semites can exterminate us?  I think not. 

One thing is Chaim is stuck in America.  I read his article.  He is very political type of guy and a great speaker.. I think he ought to consider running for president of USA, since Israel has banned him (compliments to the Russians and Arabs).   He would make a wonderful American president and do much to help Israel and the world.  He has my vote.
Title: Re: Why is there a Save Serbia?
Post by: Ambiorix on September 23, 2008, 11:24:13 AM
Hi AryehYehudah,

You seem to think I have a hostile attitude towards Jews that live in exile.
I assure you that is not the case.
I know lots of Jews in Belgium, and I regularily work together with Jews in my professional life.

I know only a few Jews that are ultra-orthodox though. Most of them are assimilated, atheists.
We hve a community in Antwerpen, that has a diamond business, that represents 5% of Belgium's BBP.
Also lots of high educated Soviet-Jews left Russia, immigrated to Belgium.

From the friends I have that are Jews, I know their life-story very well.
Some of them share the concern over the Islamisation of Europe. However, they want to remain in Europe.

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You see that little dot on the map they call Israel, that is not even close to our entire land.  How do we cram 6 million Jews and 1 million arabs in an area the size of San Francisco bay area is beyond me.  As you know, us Jews hardly have a country still. So the best way to get it is to be leaders, and partake in our current homes while we are forced to live away.  I mean, the Kingdom of Isarel expanded so very far and thanks to Roman and Arab thievery, we are left with so little.  Even our very home, Jerusalem is under threat to be divided and given to arab nazi slugs.
 

You must expell all arabs, and conquer Jordania, and at least some other parts of your current neighbours.
cfr. Kahane's book "they must go".

BTW1:
Romans conquered us too, ( I live in the north of Belgium) so we are in the same position.
BTW2:
My name Ambiorix refers to the leader of the Gallic tribe the Eburones, a tribe that was annihilated by the Roman Julius Ceasar.
BTW3:
We Flemish people were brutally murdered, our Protestant Nation was destroyed as well by the Catholic Inquisition and the Spanish Catholic invaders.
In 1585, the city of Antwerpen fell in their hands, all intelligentia left the town, (including the Jews of course, that fled to Antwerp after the Reconquista in Spain).
These Flemish and Jews went to Amsterdam, they gave Holland it's Golden Age, and a few generations their descendants builded New-York (originally called New-Amsterdam).


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So for you to say I must be slave and never take a high position in government, cause I am not as good as you, that is I am a Jew, not a CHristian, I find to be unjust. 


I know this may sound like we hate Jews, but you better should not rule in Gentile's countries.
Indeed, You should make Aliah, and be a free man, and a majority in your Israel.
As long as you stay a minority in a Gentile's country, you are not truly free., because you are a minority of less than 5 % in any country of the world.
My position (JTF's position) is that Jews must rule Israel, and that "unrightheous Gentiles" must go, and vice versa.
I don't know if JTF will kick out all non-Jews once they govern Israel, but I guess that is the plan.


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One thing is Chaim is stuck in America. 
He is not alowed to enter Israel, because he follows Kahanism. Kahane party Kach was outlawed >:( >:(

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I think he ought to consider running for president of USA, since Israel has banned him (compliments to the Russians and Arabs).   He would make a wonderful American president and do much to help Israel and the world.  He has my vote.
He says he will not run for office in the USA, since he is a Jew, and Jews shouldn't rule in Gentile countries.
He definitely could support a Gentile that is a JTF-er though.
Of course, JTF endorses Religous Kingdom of Israel that will be bigger than it is now.

He says it would be wrong if he would take power in the USA.
Just check his videos.

Best regards,
Ambiorix
Title: Re: Why is there a Save Serbia?
Post by: Jasmina on September 23, 2008, 07:03:23 PM
Why is there a Save Serbia?  Because of this :
 http://www.flix.co.il/tapuz/showVideo.asp?m=2474202
Title: Re: Why is there a Save Serbia?
Post by: SerbChicago on September 23, 2008, 08:09:38 PM
Why is there a Save Serbia?  Because of this :
 http://www.flix.co.il/tapuz/showVideo.asp?m=2474202
Thank you Mr.Chaim.
Title: Re: Why is there a Save Serbia?
Post by: AryehYehudah on September 23, 2008, 09:06:35 PM
Why is there a Save Serbia?  Because of this :
 http://www.flix.co.il/tapuz/showVideo.asp?m=2474202

Good video.. I support Serbia against Croats, Albanians and all Muslims.  It is true, America under Clinton betrayed Serbs.  Now Serbs are betraying us Jews by supporting Russia.  Do two wrongs make a right?   Russia is giving money to Arab/Islamic nations to destroy Israel.    Russia has always been our enemy.  I am prepared to fight against Islamic and Nazi devils, Russia included.  My hope is Serbs will align with Israel, not Russians.  I am going to try to find a video where Chaim says that we should support Russia and Venezeula as some people on this board have said.
Title: Re: Why is there a Save Serbia?
Post by: Nikola1389 on September 24, 2008, 10:25:20 AM
ok i didn't finish reading all the posts,but i couldn't help reply to few things i have read

most serbs should oppose russia,and support america etc

yeah,totaly why the hell would we support a country that we are kin with,better a country that bombed us with toxic waste,who bombed military targets the leest,and targeted economic targets witch set us back 100 years,yes,lets try to be an ally with a country that after beeing they'r allys 2 times bombed us harder then the nazis in ww2(i'm talking about the ally bombardment of serbia at the end of ww2,"chaseing out the nazis"by bombing big serbian cits that had ben free for months)and then again evin after we still stood as allys bomb us and destroy the cradle of our civilisation(kosovo)and chase our ppl from our land and give it to our poturice(serbs that accepted muslim rel. in the turkish times,and to the catolised,then croatolised serbs)we serbs looked to america as its good-ol ally b4 the 90's,like hey they fight for liberty blah blah we support that! etc
Yeah,lets oppose the russians,g-d,who knows we might get bombed again for our obediance hmm?

And we serbs aswell as the russians don't h8 Georgian brothers!!!!We h8 /////skshasvili(sakasvili)georgians and russians are kin,and just becous Georgians r on ur side u safely presume that they'r ortodox church is kind to jews?-.-"
I h8 sakasvili 4 what he has done to the georgians,and since you mentioned kosovo and ossetia,you say that it would be wrong to liberate kosovo now after albania annexed it?(nato and america i mean)we don't have the right to reclame it the same way they took it?They destroyed some 200 ancient ortdx. churches there,while i'm not all that godfearing etc,that is my legacy and culture,and if you let somebody destroy that,if you forsake that,u do not deserve to live as a human,much less to have a country of ur own

And we serbs had alot of famous foreigners in our country that r highly respected,we indeed had jews,we had others,like Nikola Pasic who was partly Tsinsar(dunno how u call them in eng)
Seeing you and ppl like you(Madlin olbright for one)we serbs should have joined the axes,hitler promised us ALOT of land if we joined,becous he was in serbia in ww1 as an austrian solider,get mud troughn in his face,thats why he h8ed us,or we could have just let his army march tough to Greece,and don't turn to communisam,and lose 50k minimum Higly educated ppl,atleest a 1000 extrmly educated ppl witch the commys killed in belgrade and the germans aswell,for all that we get a slap in the face today from ppl like u.

TY
Title: Re: Why is there a Save Serbia?
Post by: Nikola1389 on September 24, 2008, 10:43:13 AM
The Vatican was main responsible to the lauch of communism on Russian and Serbian soil! David Duke and others want to blame the Jews for the faults of the West.

You Jews were for 2000 prosecuted by the Vatican and we Orthodox nation were for 1000 years long prosecuted by the same Vatican.

We have common enemies.
When all reasonable argument fails blame it on the Vatican  ;D


ohhhhhh,so you like jokeing about genocide,persecution,cultural destruction banishment etnic cleansing etc???????? ok!:
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Title: Re: Why is there a Save Serbia?
Post by: Lisa on September 24, 2008, 01:26:18 PM
For your information, Nikola, CJD, who is a wonderful JTF'er and a moderator, is a Catholic. 

Also, I do not appreciate your joke about Jews.  So you're out of here. 
Title: Re: Why is there a Save Serbia?
Post by: DALMACIJA on September 24, 2008, 01:46:35 PM
For your information, Nikola, CJD, who is a wonderful JTF'er and a moderator, is a Catholic. 

Also, I do not appreciate your joke about Jews.  So you're out of here. 


CJD made a joke about the Vatican involement in the lauch of communism in Russia and Serbia!

Title: Re: Why is there a Save Serbia?
Post by: Lisa on September 24, 2008, 01:53:09 PM
Dalmacija, this is first and foremost, a Jewish forum.  The reason why we have a Serbian subforum is because Chaim feels very strongly about the Serbs having their own homeland. 

So aside from the Serbian section, we have wonderful Catholic members, Protestants, atheists, and a few Hindus.  I know you guys dislike the Roman Catholic church.  But you have to remember that there are not just Serbians here. 

And most importantly CJD's attempt to defend his religion is no excuse whatsoever for Nikola's joke about Jews in ovens.
Title: Re: Why is there a Save Serbia?
Post by: DALMACIJA on September 24, 2008, 02:10:53 PM
And most importantly CJD's attempt to defend his religion is no excuse whatsoever for Nikola's joke about Jews in ovens.

You are right! Good that you have deleted that strange "joke".
I agree with you on that!

Dalmacija, this is first and foremost, a Jewish forum. 

Oke, I indeed forgot that this forum is in first place a Jewish forum and not a pro Slavic nationalistic forum.

  The reason why we have a Serbian subforum is because Chaim feels very strongly about the Serbs having their own homeland. 

Well we were the most tolerant people towards the Jews, historically.
Serbian nationalism had never a problem with Jews of other groups of people.

According to you we only have a forum because of Chaim's sympathy towards the Serbs?
I hope that the JTF's chairman is not the only one who wants us to have our own subforum?

So aside from the Serbian section, we have wonderful Catholic members, Protestants, atheists, and a few Hindus.  I know you guys dislike the Roman Catholic church.  But you have to remember that there are not just Serbians here. 

Do you have also Muslims on this forum?
We Serbs do not hate Catholics. I they want to believe in their own way that their choice. Catholics on Serbian territories were always sovereign to practice their religion in public. Even during the war the Catholics had civil rights in Serbian republics.
We never aimed for the collective banishment of the Catholics population out of Serbia, even after the genocides.

But the Vatican is not the same as the regular Catholic people.
If we do not agree with the Vatican's intentions towards the Orthodox world we are not automatically also against regular Catholic people.
All our accusations towards the Vatican are confirmed with historical facts.
Title: Re: Why is there a Save Serbia?
Post by: Lisa on September 24, 2008, 02:29:10 PM
Quote
Well we were the most tolerant people towards the Jews, historically.
Serbian nationalism had never a problem with Jews of other groups of people.

According to you we only have a forum because of Chaim's sympathy towards the Serbs?
I hope that the JTF's chairman is not the only one who wants us to have our own subforum?

No, don't get me wrong.  I brought up Chaim because it was from his public television shows that I learned about the whole Serbian situation.  What Chaim says is also confirmed by the wonderful right wing Jewish blogger Julia Gorin.  And I agree completely with both Chaim and Julia.  Furthermore, I met Jasmina at Vito Vaccaro's press conference, and she seems like a very nice girl. 

Now to answer your other questions, we don't have Muslims on the forum.  The very few who are curious end up leaving, or they get banned.

While we can certainly agree that the Roman Catholic Church has not had the best history with the Serbs and Jews, I don't think it's fair to hold that over the heads of our wonderful Catholic members, who are sympathetic to your cause. 
Title: Re: Why is there a Save Serbia?
Post by: DALMACIJA on September 24, 2008, 02:47:02 PM
[While we can certainly agree that the Roman Catholic Church has not had the best history with the Serbs and Jews, I don't think it's fair to hold that over the heads of our wonderful Catholic members, who are sympathetic to your cause. 

No but...   



The heads of the Vatican institution, historically, had never recognized the Catholic genocide against the Orthodox Serbs. They never acknowledge the Croatian crimes, in the name of their faith, against 800.000 Orthodox Serbs in death camp Jasenovac.   
We never received a honest apology, neither will they  ever confess that Croatia's government, during WW2, was sponsored by the Vatican.

Before WW2, we Serbs were constantly prosecuted by the Vatican.
A great number of our people was catholized by the Vatican and they call their selves today Croatians. Even during the collapse of Yugoslavia the Vatican was one of those Western states which had openly recognized the independence of Croatia and Bosnia.

I can continue for days….
Title: Re: Why is there a Save Serbia?
Post by: syyuge on September 24, 2008, 04:09:26 PM
With the understanding of Chaim and explanation of Lisa, the matter should be amicably clear to our Serb friends.

Everybody need not to agree with Vatican on one or all matters. But since last 1400 years, the contradiction between the Muzzie dictatorial terrorism Vs Rest of the world has consistently remained the Prime global contradiction withstanding throughout the whole epoch.

All other severe contradictions created by the likes of Genghiz Khan, Napoleon, Imperialism, WWI & II, Bolshevism etc. were Focal but temporary contradictions.

The worst situation has emerged today when contradictions are altering and sharpening so fast that the contradiction between the Muzzie dictatorial terrorism Vs Rest of the world has not only remained the Prime global contradiction but has also turned itself in to the Focal contradiction. This has created a unique situation when the Prime global contradiction and the Focal contradiction are only one and the same. Hence all other Vatican like contradictions are obliged to enact as subservient to them. This all with the rider that all things are with G_d.
Title: Re: Why is there a Save Serbia?
Post by: Kerber on September 24, 2008, 06:31:06 PM
Why is there a Save Serbia?  Because of this :
 http://www.flix.co.il/tapuz/showVideo.asp?m=2474202

Good video.. I support Serbia against Croats, Albanians and all Muslims.  It is true, America under Clinton betrayed Serbs.  Now Serbs are betraying us Jews by supporting Russia.  Do two wrongs make a right?   Russia is giving money to Arab/Islamic nations to destroy Israel.    Russia has always been our enemy.  I am prepared to fight against Islamic and Nazi devils, Russia included.  My hope is Serbs will align with Israel, not Russians.  I am going to try to find a video where Chaim says that we should support Russia and Venezeula as some people on this board have said.

Russia is giving money to Arabs and Muslims?Where are the examples of that?No one gives money to anybody today...
If you mean on their help to Iran(selling weapons and insisting in nucl.program),that's because of USA's aggressive policy.They can't allow to be totally encircled by USA and NATO troops.
But,I can't see how does Russia want to destroy Israel.If Russians want to destroy someone,that wouldn't be a problem for them,trust me.Georgia attacked Russian soldiers in Ossetia,and it could be a total destruction from Russia,bu it wasn't.
And what would be a motive for Russia and Russians to eliminate Israel?Israel is not a threat to Russia.On the other hand,USA with its aggressive policy is.

And,maybe Russia was always enemy to you(and I can't see how is that),but to us Russia was always an ally,crucial ally.
Patriotic Serbs will always support Russia in its effort to resist the aggressive policy of Papacy-EU/USA.
Russia is our number 1 ally and most important friendly nation.Judging by ongoing situation in USA and leading western European countries,that's not going to change,whether you like it or not.

If there is no Russia,today our country would be totally destroyed by USA and NATO.You should know that.
Title: Re: Why is there a Save Serbia?
Post by: AryehYehudah on September 24, 2008, 10:59:32 PM
Russia is giving money to Arabs and Muslims?Where are the examples of that?No one gives money to anybody today...
If you mean on their help to Iran(selling weapons and insisting in nucl.program),that's because of USA's aggressive policy.They can't allow to be totally encircled by USA and NATO troops.
But,I can't see how does Russia want to destroy Israel.If Russians want to destroy someone,that wouldn't be a problem for them,trust me.Georgia attacked Russian soldiers in Ossetia,and it could be a total destruction from Russia,bu it wasn't.
And what would be a motive for Russia and Russians to eliminate Israel?Israel is not a threat to Russia.On the other hand,USA with its aggressive policy is.

And,maybe Russia was always enemy to you(and I can't see how is that),but to us Russia was always an ally,crucial ally.
Patriotic Serbs will always support Russia in its effort to resist the aggressive policy of Papacy-EU/USA.
Russia is our number 1 ally and most important friendly nation.Judging by ongoing situation in USA and leading western European countries,that's not going to change,whether you like it or not.

If there is no Russia,today our country would be totally destroyed by USA and NATO.You should know that.


CHeck out this article,  Putin, Russia and their ally Iran is no friend to us Jewish people:
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=961980&contrassID=0&subContrassID=0


The ignorance of people here is astounding.   Many of Serbian people I meet on this board, play deaf, dumb and blind about the atrocities that Russia and its allies have caused to us Jewish people over the years and even today.   Israel is a threat to Russia, because it has a large number of nuclear missles capable of demolishing all of its cities and is a strong ally to the West.  Israel has both a powerful navy and air force and Russia knows it will not be able to prevent the destruction of Moscow and other major cities in the event of a nuclear war.  Russia knows that USA and Israel are both great threats, that is why Russia has and still is spending a great effort supplying the enemies of USA and Israel with weapons and miltary training.  Russia as of now is supplying Iran and Syria with advanced anti-airfcraft systems to shoot down our Israeli planes so that we cannot halt their "peaceful nuclear program".     From waht I am reading on this board, I can make this conclusion and I am sure people will be infuriated at me.  Serbia was our ally in the past and helped us, bless them for that, but today with their support of Russia and denial of its evil intention.  I believe Serbia and any other Russian ally is as much of an enemy to Jewish state, by ignoring our plight and supporting our enemy.  WHy should we support Serbia and its suffering when they turn a blind eye to our own?   I am not going to advocate supporting Serbia until they reject their anti-West, pro-Leftist, stance.  Nothing good can come of this Israel-Serbian-Russian alliance, except the abolition of the Jewish state.  Perhaps Putin wants us to run back to Russia, in his eyes, Israel is nothing but a thorn in his side.   

You Serbians can hate America all you want, since you make no distinction between the American Left and Right, you can count me as your enemy.  I don't blame you for hating the Leftist American regime for bombing your country.  So, don't mind if I hate you for supporting the people who massacred my people too.
Title: Re: Why is there a Save Serbia?
Post by: Jasmina on September 25, 2008, 12:39:51 AM
  If you don't like us, don't come to our subforum anymore! That's very simple!
Title: Re: Why is there a Save Serbia?
Post by: AryehYehudah on September 25, 2008, 08:38:17 AM
  If you don't like us, don't come to our subforum anymore! That's very simple!

I will be bowing out of this forum and stick to the other ones, so you don't worry.   This has been tiring for me and was not the type of discussion I thought I would encounter on a Pro-Western, Zionist message board.   I hope my debate will bring the attention of other members of this website who feel same about this subject of Serbians bonding with our enemy Russia. 
Title: Re: Why is there a Save Serbia?
Post by: MasterWolf1 on September 25, 2008, 09:59:10 AM
You know, I am so sick of people trying to divide us.  So what if I am Catholic and someone else on this forum is Jewish and someone else is Protestant Christian, You all know why we are here?  Cause we got a common purpose.  Instead of fighting among each other why not focus on our enemies?  And the truth of Serbia needs to be told. If the Moslems swallow up Serbia godforbid it will be a catastrophe into Europe.
Title: Re: Why is there a Save Serbia?
Post by: DALMACIJA on September 25, 2008, 10:55:52 AM
You know, I am so sick of people trying to divide us.  So what if I am Catholic and someone else on this forum is Jewish and someone else is Protestant Christian, You all know why we are here?  Cause we got a common purpose.  Instead of fighting among each other why not focus on our enemies?  And the truth of Serbia needs to be told. If the Moslems swallow up Serbia godforbid it will be a catastrophe into Europe.

Our problem with the Moslems is only on a local conflict.

The problem is that world's powers like the EU and the NATO are breaking Serbia apart. They use Serbia's surrounding nations like Croatian, Albanians and Moslems to accomplish the collapse of the Serbian state.

You are Italian?
Italy is nice ocuntry.. If you speak Italian why do not want to live in Italy?
Title: Re: Why is there a Save Serbia?
Post by: Kerber on September 26, 2008, 12:53:10 AM
You know, I am so sick of people trying to divide us.  So what if I am Catholic and someone else on this forum is Jewish and someone else is Protestant Christian, You all know why we are here?  Cause we got a common purpose.  Instead of fighting among each other why not focus on our enemies?  And the truth of Serbia needs to be told. If the Moslems swallow up Serbia godforbid it will be a catastrophe into Europe.
Moslems can't swallow up Serbia,nor anybody else in our neighborhood can do it,if they don't have a Western help in its intentions.But,they do have a lot of help in occupying our territories.Now we come to the question why major Western countries help Moslems and all others against Serbia?Why is there a need of conquering Serbia?
The answers on those questions are very complex and it is a meter of history,religion and future goals of those who rule the planet from the beginning of creation.So,I won't go into this.
Title: Re: Why is there a Save Serbia?
Post by: DALMACIJA on September 26, 2008, 05:05:28 AM
Western countries hate Russia and that's why they are attacking Serbia.
Serbia was always Russia’s ally number one at the Balkans! The West had always a problem with the establishment of a strong Serbian state. 

I think that it is un realistic to think that Albanians can swallow up us the Serbs, by their own. In 1999 we gained control over Kosovo in a couple of days.
In 1992 the Bosnian Serbs liberated 67% of the territory of BiH.

So, it is not realistic to say that the Muslims can swallow up the Serbs.
Do not be Afraid  of that!

The problem is when we liberate our territories the Western nations, who are supported by the Vatican, attack us. They send Vatican "humanitarian" actions towards Kosovo and Bosnia and Croatia and start to organize and prepare them against the Serbs. With humanitarian collected money they, the West, build houses and homes for Croats and Bosnians who are transferred on Serbian occupy  territories so that the Serbs can not return to their homes.
This are Western humanitarian actions, they make profit of the suffering of other peoples. In Croatia a great number of Albanians  was transferred from Kosovo to Krajina, where they live today. These Albanians have gained new houses and financial support from the Croatian government to have a normal live.
In exchange for this all these Albanians have accepted the Roman Catholic religion.

In Serbian towns of Krajina like Benkovac, Obrovac, Knin and Kistanje they are building Catholic churches. Before this all, those areas were always Orthodox.

We must recognized that we do not have only a problem with the Islamization but also with the Catholization of Serbian lands!

This must be ackowledged! ! ! ! !
Title: Re: Why is there a Save Serbia?
Post by: 4International on September 26, 2008, 08:27:28 AM
comment by cjd: "When all reasonable argument fails blame it on the Vatican " [followed by grinning face]


Shalom to all the wonderful people here at JTF,

Lisa, I have no doubt that our fellow JTF'er "cjd" is a very good and decent, righteous Roman Catholic person, however I do NOT see the humor - intended or otherwise - in such a comment at all. In fact I find it bordering on the outright offensive. I do NOT see it as being what you describe as "cjd's attempt to defend his religion...".Unfortunately, it was nothing of the sort.

I can totally understand why a Serb [or an historically well informed Jew] would be extremely upset over such a comment - which can be interpreted quite easily as frivolously making light of the horrendous Holocaust which took place in the World War 2 Independent State of Croatia, which was fully backed by the Vatican and Pope Pius the XII - where well over 1 Million  Serbs, 65,000 Jews & 100,000 Roma were murdered by the Roman Catholic Ustasha Croat Nazis.

If we are interested in justice and telling the G-d's honest truth and expose the Vatican's crimes against Serbs, Jews and Roma that does not mean we hate Roman Catholics or hate the Roman Catholic religion.Quite the contrary, because we love our good, righteous gentile Catholic brothers and sisters so much, we need to educate them about what the Vatican heirarchy did to innocent Serbs, Jews and Roma during the Holocaust so that such crimes are condemned and never repeated again.

Likewise, our good,decent righteous Roman Catholic brothers and sisters should not use ridicule and sarcasm in order to deflect criticism over the Vatican's responsibility for the crimes committed in wartime Croatia and Bosnia-Herzegovina.

Our wonderful young friend, Nathan Pearlstein, posted a brilliant introduction to the shocking 1986 book authored by British historian, Baron Avro Manhattan, which clearly exposes the Vatican's complicity in these monumental crimes of genocide against the Serbs, Jews and Roma peoples in the Croat Ustasha Nazi state - referred to by the Croats as "Nezavisna Drzava Hrvatska"(NDH) which in English translates to "Independent State of Croatia".

The book is called:

The Vatican's Holocaust

The book is available in full online here:

http://4international.wordpress.com/2008/03/29/the-vaticans-holocaust-against-the-serbs-jews-roma-in-ustasha-croatia-from-1941-1945/

Why is the Western government, media and academic establishment covering up this Holocaust against the Serbs, Jews and Roma [Gypsies]? Why are they so afraid to tell the truth about how the Vatican fully supported the leaders of the Independent State of Croatia despite the fact that the Vatican heirarchy - including the Pope himself - were fully aware that this Holocaust against the Serbs, Jews and Roma was taking place - and yet still invited the Croatian "poglavnik" [Fuehrer] Ante Pavelic to the Vatican in Rome to personally meet the Pope in "private audience"?!

Why do we hear virtually NOTHING about the nearly TEN YEAR long US Federal Court case against the Vatican bank and the Croatian Franciscan Order - a federal case which is seeking restitution for the victims of this horrific Holocaust?!

www.vaticanbankclaims.com (http://www.vaticanbankclaims.com)


Here is the introduction to the article and online book to give you an idea of the scale of this monumental crime against humanity which to this day is covered up outright or minimized and lied about in true Holocaust-denial/historical revisionist style by the Western government, academic and media establishment - especially in Europe and the United States...



The Vatican’s Holocaust Against The Serbs, Jews & Roma in Ustasha Nazi Croatia From 1941-1945

Posted by Nathan Pearlstein

Soon, in all parks and public transport vehicles, a new inscription appeared:

“Entry forbidden to all Serbs, Jews, Gypsies, and dogs.”

 The Ministry of the Interior, led by Andrija Artukovic, issued the following decree:

“All the Serbs and the Jews residing in Zagreb, the Capital of Croatia, must leave the town within 12 hours. Any citizen found to have given them shelter will be immediately executed on the spot.”  


The Vatican’s Holocaust

The sensational account of the most horrifying religious massacre of the 20th century
By Avro Manhattan

(http://4international.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/avro_manhattan.jpg)

Avro Manhattan (1914-1990)

About the Author:

Avro Manhattan was the world’s foremost authority on Roman Catholicism in politics. A resident of London, during WW II he operated a radio station called “Radio Freedom” broadcasting to occupied Europe. He was the author of over 20 books including the best-seller The Vatican in World Politics, twice Book-of-the-Month and going through 57 editions. He was a Great Briton who risked his life daily to expose some of the darkest secrets of the Papacy. His books were #1 on the Forbidden Index for the past 50 years!!

The Vatican’s Holocaust - Revealed at Last!

A sensational account of the most horrifying religious massacre of the 20th century. Startling revelations of forced conversions, mass murder of non-Catholics, Catholic extermination camps, disclosures of Catholic clergy as commanders of concentration camps; documented with names, dates, places, pictures and eyewitness testimony.



http://4international.wordpress.com/2008/03/29/the-vaticans-holocaust-against-the-serbs-jews-roma-in-ustasha-croatia-from-1941-1945/ (http://4international.wordpress.com/2008/03/29/the-vaticans-holocaust-against-the-serbs-jews-roma-in-ustasha-croatia-from-1941-1945/)

Vatican's Holocaust 1/6 - God and Croatians

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWGyTPu6UDE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWGyTPu6UDE)

Jasenovac - The cruelest death camp of all times, part 1/6  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rw6A034Yfxo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rw6A034Yfxo)

THE STORY OF ANTE PAVELIC

Vatican Agent Appointed to Kill Jews and Serbs


http://www.blessedquietness.com/journal/housechu/pavelic.htm (http://www.blessedquietness.com/journal/housechu/pavelic.htm)

Holocaust Archive Pictures

http://www.reformation.org/archive.html (http://www.reformation.org/archive.html)

(http://www.srpska-mreza.com/library/facts/photo/Saw-head.jpg)

(http://www.srpska-mreza.com/library/facts/photo/u-smile.jpg)

(http://www.srpska-mreza.com/library/facts/photo/dish.jpg)

(http://www.srpska-mreza.com/library/facts/photo/platon.jpg)

(http://www.srpska-mreza.com/library/facts/photo/head-off.jpg)

(http://www.srpska-mreza.com/library/facts/photo/pit.jpg)

(http://www.srpska-mreza.com/library/facts/photo/mass-grave.jpg)

(http://www.srpska-mreza.com/library/facts/photo/heap.jpg)

(http://www.srpska-mreza.com/library/facts/photo/tortured.jpg)

(http://www.srpska-mreza.com/library/facts/photo/Kozara.jpg)

(http://www.srpska-mreza.com/library/facts/photo/children-41.jpg)

(http://www.srpska-mreza.com/library/facts/photo/children.jpg)

http://www.spirituallysmart.com/croatia2.html

http://www.srpska-mreza.com/library/facts/gallery.html

http://www.jasenovac-info.com/?lang=en&s=galerija

http://www.jasenovac.org

http://www.pavelic-papers.com/documents/jasenovac/
Title: Re: Why is there a Save Serbia?
Post by: DALMACIJA on September 26, 2008, 09:54:24 AM
4International

Thank you for your briliant information.
I will saved most of your comments because they included very important facts.
Title: Re: Why is there a Save Serbia?
Post by: Boyana on September 26, 2008, 10:27:26 AM
Why not?
Yes we Serbs had some Nazi in the past small Ljotich organisation that did join Nazi.
Ljotich was mental case,since his wife was from ustashi.
Many Serbs lost their life from Ljotich low-life  and co?
Maybe ther is some Nazi in Serbia now?
There is Nazi in Israel as well.
Save Serbia,Save Israel.
Yes I am back,love to you all.
Title: Re: Why is there a Save Serbia?
Post by: Jasmina on September 26, 2008, 10:30:49 AM
  Welcome back Boyana!!!
Title: Re: Why is there a Save Serbia?
Post by: Boyana on September 26, 2008, 10:33:58 AM
 :-* :-* :love: :dance:
Title: Re: Why is there a Save Serbia?
Post by: DALMACIJA on September 26, 2008, 10:48:24 AM
Why not?
Yes we Serbs had some Nazi in the past small Ljotich organisation that did join Nazi.
Ljotich was mental case,since his wife was from ustashi.
Many Serbs lost their life from Ljotich low-life  and co?
Maybe ther is some Nazi in Serbia now?
There is Nazi in Israel as well.
Save Serbia,Save Israel.
Yes I am back,love to you all.

Ljotic did not had even 1% of the fallowens of Serbia.

Welcome back Bojana!
Join us again sister!
Title: Re: Why is there a Save Serbia?
Post by: 4International on September 26, 2008, 10:54:04 AM
Shalom Dalmacija,

you are indeed very welcome. I always do my best to include as much documentation/hard evidence as I can to back up my position.

By the way, the so-called American Left versus Right paradigm is an illusion. The United States has ONE Corporate party with two wings - the Demon-crats and the Republic-goons.

People must have a short memory. The support for the genocide perpetrated by the Bosnian & Albanian muslim Nazis & the Croat Ustasha Nazis against the Serbs in Krajina as well as the Serbs who live in the Republic of Srpska (in Bosnia) and Kosovo-Metohija province WAS SUPPORTED BY US SENATORS & CONGRESSMEN/WOMEN ON BOTH SIDES OF THE POLITICAL AISLE ON CAPITOL HILL IN WASHINGTON.

The so-called "Left" and "Right" in Washington - for the most part with only a tiny handful dissenting on each side - were in FULL AGREEMENT THAT THE SERBS NEEDED TO BE CRUSHED BY THE UNITED STATES - by bombing the Serbs from the air and by arming the Bosnian and Albanian muslims in order to help the muslims "defend themselves".[/i]

If you have any doubts that the Republicans were somehow against Clinton's insane 3 month long bombing campaign on behalf of the Albanian muslims and that it was all the fault of the evil Demon-crats, then...


Google:                  "BOOTS ON THE GROUND"     "McCain"

also, I strongly urge our readers to Google this and study the articles that come up:     

 "McCain"    "KLA"


Title: Re: Why is there a Save Serbia?
Post by: Boyana on September 26, 2008, 10:54:23 AM
Tanks, it is not just Boyana,very soon I will be mother of TWO VOJVODAS! :)
Title: Re: Why is there a Save Serbia?
Post by: DALMACIJA on September 26, 2008, 10:57:50 AM
Shalom Dalmacija,

you are indeed very welcome. I always do my best to include as much documentation/hard evidence as I can to back up my position.

By the way, the so-called American Left versus Right paradigm is an illusion. The United States has ONE Corporate party with two wings - the Demon-crats and the Republic-goons.

People must have a short memory. The support for the genocide perpetrated by the Bosnian & Albanian muslim Nazis & the Croat Ustasha Nazis against the Serbs in Krajina as well as the Serbs who live in the Republic of Srpska (in Bosnia) and Kosovo-Metohija province WAS SUPPORTED BY US SENATORS & CONGRESSMEN/WOMEN ON BOTH SIDES OF THE POLITICAL AISLE ON CAPITOL HILL IN WASHINGTON.

The so-called "Left" and "Right" in Washington - for the most part with only a tiny handful dissenting on each side - were in FULL AGREEMENT THAT THE SERBS NEEDED TO BE CRUSHED BY THE UNITED STATES - by bombing the Serbs from the air and by arming the Bosnian and Albanian muslims in order to help the muslims "defend themselves".[/i]

If you have any doubts that the Republicans were somehow against Clinton's insane 3 month long bombing campaign on behalf of the Albanian muslims and that it was all the fault of the evil Demon-crats, then...


Google:                  "BOOTS ON THE GROUND"     "McCain"

also, I strongly urge our readers to Google this and study the articles that come up:     

 "McCain"    "KLA"




Shalom  Joshua,

Thank you, once again, for your documentation and interesting posts.
Title: Re: Why is there a Save Serbia?
Post by: 4International on September 26, 2008, 11:12:14 AM
"It's because of John McCain that we are gonna have a new state, very shortly, called Kosova. An ALBANIAN STATE"


Former (disgraced) Congressman Joe DioGuardi -the Albanian KLA's front man in the United States - uttered the words above. Here is the video with references:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uvseeiWR14&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uvseeiWR14&feature=related)


"John McCain armed the Kosovo Islamic Terrorists"

http://scusemyfrench.blogspot.com/2008/02/senator-mccain-armed-kla-terrorists.html (http://scusemyfrench.blogspot.com/2008/02/senator-mccain-armed-kla-terrorists.html)

Title: Re: Why is there a Save Serbia?
Post by: syyuge on September 26, 2008, 11:25:28 AM
It is a mystery whether the west has put up a volte-face in the matters related with Serbia, Albania and so-called Kosovo or not.

Why they are so much in deep love with Albania and pak666? 
Title: Re: Why is there a Save Serbia? (Warning Graphic Pictures in Thread)
Post by: Kerber on September 28, 2008, 05:49:20 PM
It is a mystery whether the west has put up a volte-face in the matters related with Serbia, Albania and so-called Kosovo or not.

Why they are so much in deep love with Albania and pak666? 
What's "pak666"?  :)
Title: Re: Why is there a Save Serbia? (Warning Graphic Pictures in Thread)
Post by: Kerber on September 28, 2008, 05:54:07 PM
By the way, the so-called American Left versus Right paradigm is an illusion. The United States has ONE Corporate party with two wings - the Demon-crats and the Republic-goons.
Absolutely!
Title: Re: Why is there a Save Serbia? (Warning Graphic Pictures in Thread)
Post by: syyuge on September 28, 2008, 05:59:06 PM
It is a mystery whether the west has put up a volte-face in the matters related with Serbia, Albania and so-called Kosovo or not.

Why they are so much in deep love with Albania and pak666? 
What's "pak666"?  :)

pak666 is Pakistan which has been decoded also as the infamous evil 666.
Title: Re: Why is there a Save Serbia? (Warning Graphic Pictures in Thread)
Post by: Bradina on October 04, 2008, 11:59:43 PM
I understand that the administrator of this site believes in the territorial integrity of Serbia and supports Serbia. However, this forum is very contradictory.

This site and its members advocate the election of John McCain over Barack Obama because he is an ally of Israel. Yet John McCain funded the KLA and helped create the independent state of Kosovo. therefore he is a natural enemy of Serbia.

Israel and the U.S.A. are allies. The U.S.A. has been Serbia's strongest enemy in the 1990s and it still is to a much lesser extent today.

This site and most of its members are against the "evil" and oppressing Russian empire. Meanwhile, Russia is Serbia's biggest ally and supporter.

Except for Serbs saving Jews during WW2, Jews and Serbs really have no bond that connects them. There is a particular difference on the religious side.
Title: Re: Why is there a Save Serbia? (Warning Graphic Pictures in Thread)
Post by: SerbChicago on October 05, 2008, 03:34:37 AM
I understand that the administrator of this site believes in the territorial integrity of Serbia and supports Serbia. However, this forum is very contradictory.

This site and its members advocate the election of John McCain over Barack Obama because he is an ally of Israel. Yet John McCain funded the KLA and helped create the independent state of Kosovo. therefore he is a natural enemy of Serbia.

Israel and the U.S.A. are allies. The U.S.A. has been Serbia's strongest enemy in the 1990s and it still is to a much lesser extent today.

This site and most of its members are against the "evil" and oppressing Russian empire. Meanwhile, Russia is Serbia's biggest ally and supporter.

Except for Serbs saving Jews during WW2, Jews and Serbs really have no bond that connects them. There is a particular difference on the religious side.

You don't know enufe.
Title: Re: Why is there a Save Serbia? (Warning Graphic Pictures in Thread)
Post by: DALMACIJA on October 05, 2008, 04:52:45 AM
Israel and the U.S.A. are allies. The U.S.A. has been Serbia's strongest enemy in the 1990s and it still is to a much lesser extent today.

I think that the organization of the JTF knew very well, before they decided to establish a Serbian subforum, that the Serbs consider them selves almost totally identical to the Russians...
Title: Re: Why is there a Save Serbia? (Warning Graphic Pictures in Thread)
Post by: DALMACIJA on October 05, 2008, 04:55:33 AM
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Except for Serbs saving Jews during WW2, Jews and Serbs really have no bond that connects them. There is a particular difference on the religious side.


I know but we Serbs and Jews are humans? Is that not enough to connect us?

But I undersatnd your point of view bradina.
Title: Re: Why is there a Save Serbia? (Warning Graphic Pictures in Thread)
Post by: knindza87 on October 05, 2008, 05:19:53 AM

Except for Serbs saving Jews during WW2, Jews and Serbs really have no bond that connects them. There is a particular difference on the religious side.

 I don't think fact that Serbs were saving Jews during WW2 is only thing that connects them.For examples both Jews and Serbs died in same concentration camps in occupied Yugoslavia,they were fighting together against fascism and nazism.Serbia/Yugoslavia did help Israel to get weapons and transport planes from Chezho-Slovakia and with it helped creation Israeli state.(I just know that,Israeli retired general wrote this in his book,calling this help major and one of the most important in fight for Jewish state).Serbia and Israel kept good very good relations even today.Fact that USA is protector of Israel and Russia is backing up Serbia does not and must not have influence on Serbia/Israel relations..I must admit Serbs are not supporters of US foreign policy at the moment,mainly because it choose to support openly our opposite sides in recent conflicts and even served as air force of KLA and bombed my town that is miles away from fights in Kosovo.I cannot and I will not forget that,ever.
  So you probably got the point,what we got in common is suffering through centuries and that we got some foreign elements that wanted complete destruction of everything that is Serbian,or everything that is Jewish and millions of our fellow Serbs and Jews died just because they were progressive communities.I will describe Anti-Serb feelings(Serbophobia) in next post,I guess you probably know nothing about that...
  Our only difference is that Israel got right to defend it self,but in same time Serbia don't got right to defend its people.In latest conflict even Georgia got right to defend it self but Serbs doesn't got that right.Georgia's territorial integrity is valid but Serbia's not,what a hypocrisy...US is fabricator of that policy so yeah,I blame them,government of course.I like US peoples, don't get me wrong.I'm targeting government.
  JTF probably got good reasons for keeping 'Save Serbia' sub-forum and they probably know good what am I speaking now.I've just repeated wide known facts...
Title: Re: Why is there a Save Serbia? (Warning Graphic Pictures in Thread)
Post by: DALMACIJA on October 05, 2008, 05:39:16 AM

Serbia and Israel kept good very good relations even today.
I think that every nation should have its own sovereignty.
This sovereignty must strictly be in accordance with the respect of the international agreed civil rights, which must count for all of the natives and national minorities who live on this certain territory.

If a state does not respect the rights of the other autochthones or even of the national minorities, than this nation does not deserves to have its own sovereignty.
Croatia is a good example!

About the today's state of Israel.
Well, the authorities of Israel are still recognizing the irregular states of Croatia and Bosnia and Herzegovina and maybe also Kosovo. That decision of the Israeli government must be changed, because Israel must not support the murders of the Jewish and Serbian people. If JTF was governing Israel they would I assume have a better attitude towards the Serbs.

But if you have a good attitude towards the Serbs in this world you will be attacked by worlds powers. So, if JTF thinks that the Serbs should take back all of their territories that’s the same as declaring war against the Vatican international, the US and the EU.
Title: Re: Why is there a Save Serbia? (Warning Graphic Pictures in Thread)
Post by: syyuge on October 05, 2008, 04:16:32 PM
While jumping in leaps and bounds NATO has become the vanguard of Euro-Communism and standing against Serbia and Russia, it has picked up the dirty threads from where Carrillo has left.
Title: Re: Why is there a Save Serbia? (Warning Graphic Pictures in Thread)
Post by: AryehYehudah on October 06, 2008, 09:26:13 AM

Serbia and Israel kept good very good relations even today.
I think that every nation should have its own sovereignty.
This sovereignty must strictly be in accordance with the respect of the international agreed civil rights, which must count for all of the natives and national minorities who live on this certain territory.

If a state does not respect the rights of the other autochthones or even of the national minorities, than this nation does not deserves to have its own sovereignty.
Croatia is a good example!

About the today's state of Israel.
Well, the authorities of Israel are still recognizing the irregular states of Croatia and Bosnia and Herzegovina and maybe also Kosovo. That decision of the Israeli government must be changed, because Israel must not support the murders of the Jewish and Serbian people. If JTF was governing Israel they would I assume have a better attitude towards the Serbs.

But if you have a good attitude towards the Serbs in this world you will be attacked by worlds powers. So, if JTF thinks that the Serbs should take back all of their territories that’s the same as declaring war against the Vatican international, the US and the EU.


Supporting Croatia? Thats nothing.  Israel also supports Arab nazi states which would like to throw us into gas chambers.  They gave money to violent Jew hating arab terrorists, called Hamas and Fatah.  We have been shooting our foots for many years.  So what?  According to your theology, we should jsut reach out to Russia?  I am proud to have enough dignity not to embrace anti-Semtic , Jew hating Russian Orthodox/Soviet culture which has been persecuting us for as long and as bad as Arabic cultures.  We Jews are very ignorant and hard headed people at times.  Many of us are heroic and courageous and would not stop to save the life of a person we think is an ally.  We have been saving the lives of our enemies for too long.  So, since Israel is supporting people who hate it, should I go reach out to Red Russia, like you Serbs?  Am I to be a coward and embrace a power that I know in the end will eradicate my race, no way.   I say, in this world, we have not many friends and mostly enemies.  All Jews and Convservative Americans,  Europeans  who wish to unite , let us unite as one people against our common enemy.  Only then can we reestablish the glory of our nations.  I woudl respect you Serbians more if you were not so blind to the fact your big red saviour was not two-faced liar, cheater and oppressor.
Title: Re: Why is there a Save Serbia? (Warning Graphic Pictures in Thread)
Post by: DALMACIJA on October 06, 2008, 09:57:13 AM
I woudl respect you Serbians more if you were not so blind to the fact your big red saviour was not two-faced liar, cheater and oppressor.

Lets stop with this.

I think that it is not responsible for your side to spread lies which will give you and what you represent a bad name. 

Let me remind you, some Jews said this also, that the past of Russia must not influence the Jewish opinion about today’s Russia.

To call Russia a liar while your USA government supports the aggressive regime of Georgia, which brought disaster to its peoples, is very hypocrite.
It is in your personal interest to mark Russia as causer of aggressors, mostly only because of your personal opinion about Russia. Not all Jews share this with you.
Did not you read what 4thInternational said the situations regarding Russia?
He looks far more realistic and informed than you..
If we Serbs say that we support Russia, what is a very natural reaction, you are staring to have a very strange attitude towards us.

Well you can only say that Russia is a communists state.
You have no other explanation, neither facts or truths. You claim that Russia is invading other countries? You see you twists reality to your advantage.
Russia is only protecting its people outside Russia’s borders, that is something very normal and natural. You know that Russia was victimized by the communists.
So why would Russia want to accept communism, a system which almost had destroyed Russia?

America has nothing to search for in Iraq and Afghanistan and America’s presence in those countries is only causing chaos and disaster - to the local inhabitants.
You see this is something what you do not wish to hear. If somebody confronts you with this side of the story, you start to get upset.  If you want to have criticize Russia, pay first attention to the much more worse foreign policy of America.   
Title: Re: Why is there a Save Serbia? (Warning Graphic Pictures in Thread)
Post by: DALMACIJA on October 06, 2008, 11:17:45 AM
I must admit this:

I must understand your rage towards Russia...
Its possible that you had bad experiences with Russia...
You blame for that collectively the Russian nations...

You must understand my rage against America and its politics.
You know that America murdered my people and supported the aggresion against the Serbs.

You know that some Jews, who were in Clintons adminitration, fanatically supported the US's anti Serbian attitude during the 90s and today. Must I now condemn all Jews because of the anti Serbian behavior of these politicians?

Try to understand my rage! !
Title: Re: Why is there a Save Serbia? (Warning Graphic Pictures in Thread)
Post by: syyuge on October 06, 2008, 01:16:48 PM
Euro-Communists are playing their own game. They want to keep Russia and America apart like two poles as was during cold war. In this manner they keep their own importance alive and active and grow further at the cost of others. They can also manipulate the possible concessions from both sides.

This position would not have been much harmful, if the political stand of Arabic-Muslamic axis would not have been the same. Yes, the Arabic-Muslamic axis too wants the continuation and escalation of such tensions between Russia and America, so that the world attention from the Islamic Jihadi Terrorism can be successfully diluted and diverted. We could notice the exactly same thing during the war of Sakashvilly.

There can be a potential danger that during the near future we can possibly witness a growing mutual axial sympathy between the Euro-Communists and the Arabic-Muslamic axis. After all they can mutually be good nachbars, but they find Serbia as a thorn piercing their plans.
Title: Re: Why is there a Save Serbia? (Warning Graphic Pictures in Thread)
Post by: P J C on October 06, 2008, 05:10:12 PM
I will say hands down that I am disturbingly seeing a rise of anti-Americanism in this section. It needs to stop before there is an all out attack of this section. I believe that anti-America ranting on this section is unhealthy for the Serbia movement, and if it does not stop, than people need to be banned.
Title: Re: Why is there a Save Serbia? (Warning Graphic Pictures in Thread)
Post by: knindza87 on October 06, 2008, 05:41:18 PM
According to your theology, we should jsut reach out to Russia?  I am proud to have enough dignity not to embrace anti-Semtic , Jew hating Russian Orthodox/Soviet culture which has been persecuting us for as long and as bad as Arabic cultures.  I would respect you Serbians more if you were not so blind to the fact your big red saviour was not two-faced liar, cheater and oppressor.

You really think that official policy of Russian Federation is anti-Semitic?Jew hating Russion Orthodox/Soviet culture?LoL,You can't put  faith and Soviets in one "box",you need to study more,even that what you call "enemy".I would respect you Serbians more if you were not so blind to the fact your big red savior was not two-faced liar, cheater and oppressor?That "oppressor" played huge role in liberating Europe from Nazis(Jew & Slav killers).Like I said some people still refers Russia as Soviet Union,forget that and don't be so ignorant.Soviet Union is a past,awful past if you ask me,or any of them.If I use same hypocrisy as you,I can say that Marxism or Communism comes from the West,you can't fault Russians now right?
   And yeah one more thing,If you really think that shutting down Save Serbia sub-forum is "great thing to do" and will make major impact in Jew cause,shut it down then...I will withstand that sacrifice.And personally AryehYehudah  I think that you hate your life...
Title: Re: Why is there a Save Serbia? (Warning Graphic Pictures in Thread)
Post by: knindza87 on October 06, 2008, 05:52:08 PM
I will say hands down that I am disturbingly seeing a rise of anti-Americanism in this section. It needs to stop before there is an all out attack of this section. I believe that anti-America ranting on this section is unhealthy for the Serbia movement, and if it does not stop, than people need to be banned.

Who need to be banned,those who speak "anti-American" on this forum,or those who spread hate here,same man that started this thread and attacked one specific group,over other specific group,just  because of his personal emotions...or maybe both?
Title: Re: Why is there a Save Serbia? (Warning Graphic Pictures in Thread)
Post by: knindza87 on October 06, 2008, 05:56:16 PM
I will say hands down that I am disturbingly seeing a rise of anti-Americanism in this section. It needs to stop before there is an all out attack of this section. I believe that anti-America ranting on this section is unhealthy for the Serbia movement, and if it does not stop, than people need to be banned.
One more thing,where did you read something "Anti-American" or in which post did you sensed "Anti-Americanism"?Make that clear first please...ty.
Title: Re: Why is there a Save Serbia? (Warning Graphic Pictures in Thread)
Post by: P J C on October 06, 2008, 05:57:27 PM
I will say hands down that I am disturbingly seeing a rise of anti-Americanism in this section. It needs to stop before there is an all out attack of this section. I believe that anti-America ranting on this section is unhealthy for the Serbia movement, and if it does not stop, than people need to be banned.
One more thing,where did you read something "Anti-American" or in which post did you sensed "Anti-Americanism"?Make that clear first please...ty.
Serb Austrailia's posts are clearly anti-American and SOme of Dal's are too.
Title: Re: Why is there a Save Serbia? (Warning Graphic Pictures in Thread)
Post by: knindza87 on October 06, 2008, 06:10:19 PM
Answer some questions of mine first please.Why Pro-Russian must be Anti-American from start and vice versa?Why if someone criticize American foreign policy is labeled as Anti-American(that also means that someone hates American State,American citizens,simply everything that is Amercian),I've found that those people were strictly against American foreign policy.For God sake,more than half American citizens are against it,why can't we be against it,when we suffered from it???In same time guy like AryehYehudah  is Anti-Serbian,Anti-Russian,clearly Anti-Orthodox and if he got power to shut down Save Serbia-sub forum(even tho he doesn't know why is there an Save Serbia,and he refuses to find out) I'm really disappointed then.
Title: Re: Why is there a Save Serbia? (Warning Graphic Pictures in Thread)
Post by: SerbChicago on October 06, 2008, 07:00:17 PM
I will say hands down that I am disturbingly seeing a rise of anti-Americanism in this section. It needs to stop before there is an all out attack of this section. I believe that anti-America ranting on this section is unhealthy for the Serbia movement, and if it does not stop, than people need to be banned.
One more thing,where did you read something "Anti-American" or in which post did you sensed "Anti-Americanism"?Make that clear first please...ty.
Serb Austrailia's posts are clearly anti-American and SOme of Dal's are too.
Let me just say this is JEWISH task force and not American.So this site is to establish Jews interests and Serbs to not Americans.I really would like to everyone to stop this ridiculous fights and move on PLEASE!
Title: Re: Why is there a Save Serbia? (Warning Graphic Pictures in Thread)
Post by: P J C on October 06, 2008, 07:43:42 PM
I will say hands down that I am disturbingly seeing a rise of anti-Americanism in this section. It needs to stop before there is an all out attack of this section. I believe that anti-America ranting on this section is unhealthy for the Serbia movement, and if it does not stop, than people need to be banned.
One more thing,where did you read something "Anti-American" or in which post did you sensed "Anti-Americanism"?Make that clear first please...ty.
Serb Austrailia's posts are clearly anti-American and SOme of Dal's are too.
Let me just say this is JEWISH task force and not American.So this site is to establish Jews interests and Serbs to not Americans.I really would like to everyone to stop this ridiculous fights and move on PLEASE!
I am not the one who wanted to change the name SERBCHICAGO. If I recall, you asked Chaim to change the name did you not. And if there is anyone who treats this place as a JEWISH forum the most in the Christian faith it is me. BTW you Serbs run around this site thinking you are untouchable. It is not the Serb Task Force either friend. I support Serbia but you dont support my country, tell me who the hospitable person is in this situation SerbChicago. Dont throw stones from a glass house.
Title: Re: Why is there a Save Serbia? (Warning Graphic Pictures in Thread)
Post by: Jasmina on October 06, 2008, 08:56:18 PM
  Nobody is anti-American in here! But, if you read the posts before so called "anti-American" you will find Anti-Serb posts.So that was only the reaction of Anti-Serb posts! We can double-check it if you insist!
Title: Re: Why is there a Save Serbia? (Warning Graphic Pictures in Thread)
Post by: Djape on October 07, 2008, 12:53:09 AM
I will say hands down that I am disturbingly seeing a rise of anti-Americanism in this section. It needs to stop before there is an all out attack of this section. I believe that anti-America ranting on this section is unhealthy for the Serbia movement, and if it does not stop, than people need to be banned.
One more thing,where did you read something "Anti-American" or in which post did you sensed "Anti-Americanism"?Make that clear first please...ty.
Serb Austrailia's posts are clearly anti-American and SOme of Dal's are too.

What a weak person you must be.

Are you unable to take criticism without spiting the dummy.
Man up and grow some balls!

I didn't realize this site was all about preaching the to choir. 

This forum is about Serbs and Serbia, if your going to insult my people, culture and country, then you better expect to receive a reaction.
Title: Re: Why is there a Save Serbia? (Warning Graphic Pictures in Thread)
Post by: DALMACIJA on October 07, 2008, 03:32:54 AM
I will say hands down that I am disturbingly seeing a rise of anti-Americanism in this section. It needs to stop before there is an all out attack of this section. I believe that anti-America ranting on this section is unhealthy for the Serbia movement, and if it does not stop, than people need to be banned.


You must understand our rage!

I am here for the Jews and not specific for the Americans...

For the Jewish and Serbian friendship!
Klara Mandic 4 ever!
Title: Re: Why is there a Save Serbia? (Warning Graphic Pictures in Thread)
Post by: DALMACIJA on October 07, 2008, 03:53:44 AM
Serb Austrailia's posts are clearly anti-American and SOme of Dal's are too.

Haha I am not a dall!

The name is Dalmacija or in English Dalmatia?

I hope that the message is clear! ! ! !

PS: JTF opened a Serbian forum, you knew from the beginning that we are not pro USA and that we support Russia!
Title: Re: Why is there a Save Serbia? (Warning Graphic Pictures in Thread)
Post by: syyuge on October 07, 2008, 04:03:16 AM
Long live the unity of Jewish and Serbs.

This sub-section should not be stopped at any cost.

The erstwhile differences between America and Russia are anyway going to peter out in any case. So please have patience.
Title: Re: Why is there a Save Serbia? (Warning Graphic Pictures in Thread)
Post by: Rubystars on October 07, 2008, 05:16:32 AM
The erstwhile differences between America and Russia are anyway going to peter out in any case. So please have patience.

 :laugh: :::D In your dreams!
Title: Re: Why is there a Save Serbia? (Warning Graphic Pictures in Thread)
Post by: syyuge on October 07, 2008, 05:45:11 AM
The erstwhile differences between America and Russia are anyway going to peter out in any case. So please have patience.

 :laugh: :::D In your dreams!

Oh! rather I forgot to clarify that the erstwhile differences between America and Russia are anyway going to peter out in any case even so forcefully that many will be shaken out of their dreamlands. So please have patience.
Title: Re: Why is there a Save Serbia? (Warning Graphic Pictures in Thread)
Post by: DALMACIJA on October 07, 2008, 02:47:27 PM
ProJewChristian


You said that we Serbs are anti- American, well I thing that that is understandable.
You know very well why we are against the American imperialism.

But you if our anti American statements offend you (they do not have to offend you if you try to understand our position) than we should talk a little bit less about our opinion against the USA and its allies.

This does not mean that we support USA, neither will we compromise with the USA which is in our eyes imperialistic to our disadvantage. If you can in exchange, for this, stop bashing Russia, on our Serbian forum, then we will be more moderated in our statements regarding the West.

We understand that we are considered here as “guests”. That's why we can not enjoy, here, the same amount of sovereignty as on a Slavic or Serbian or Russian forums. That’s a fact on a Russian forum I mostly 100% agree with the other members.

I now understand that our sovereignty here to express our opinions is limited.

Further, we believe that we have a special relationship with the Jews, who were prosecuted like us and sometimes in combination with us.
To not harm this forum which is established by Chaim Benn Pesach, a proud Jew who supports the Serbs, I will be moderated in my debates.   

I am not changing my opinion or statements.

Because my sovereignty here is limited I have not other choise.. 
Title: Re: Why is there a Save Serbia? (Warning Graphic Pictures in Thread)
Post by: P J C on October 07, 2008, 03:24:44 PM
I will say hands down that I am disturbingly seeing a rise of anti-Americanism in this section. It needs to stop before there is an all out attack of this section. I believe that anti-America ranting on this section is unhealthy for the Serbia movement, and if it does not stop, than people need to be banned.
One more thing,where did you read something "Anti-American" or in which post did you sensed "Anti-Americanism"?Make that clear first please...ty.
Serb Austrailia's posts are clearly anti-American and SOme of Dal's are too.

What a weak person you must be.

Are you unable to take criticism without spiting the dummy.
Man up and grow some balls!

I didn't realize this site was all about preaching the to choir. 

This forum is about Serbs and Serbia, if your going to insult my people, culture and country, then you better expect to receive a reaction.

You are telling me to grow testicles? Listen, I am not a person of insult, But I am a person of debate. And I am not the one hiding behind my computer and telling people to grow male body parts in an untasteful manner. I do support Serbia, but how can I continue doing so when I am verbally attacked by you people.What you Serbs need to understand is that this is a Jewish forum first and formost. You need to realize that the USA and Israel come first. I would love for the USA and Serbia and Israel to tie the knot and be all friendly, but sadly that's not the way it is. I say time and time again thaat I support Serbia. And I am attacked for this by Serbs? I do understand the hostility towards America, but it is and always will be MY country and I will not be able to coexist peacefully with people who continue to attack it. It is YOU who has to understand my Hostility. As for SerbAusrailia, you have no right to come in here as a new JTFer and insult me and tell me to grow balls. Don't start with me, you're nothing (SPIT SPIT!!!!)  >:(
Title: Re: Why is there a Save Serbia? (Warning Graphic Pictures in Thread)
Post by: DALMACIJA on October 07, 2008, 03:37:35 PM
I will say hands down that I am disturbingly seeing a rise of anti-Americanism in this section. It needs to stop before there is an all out attack of this section. I believe that anti-America ranting on this section is unhealthy for the Serbia movement, and if it does not stop, than people need to be banned.
One more thing,where did you read something "Anti-American" or in which post did you sensed "Anti-Americanism"?Make that clear first please...ty.
Serb Austrailia's posts are clearly anti-American and SOme of Dal's are too.

What a weak person you must be.

Are you unable to take criticism without spiting the dummy.
Man up and grow some balls!

I didn't realize this site was all about preaching the to choir. 

This forum is about Serbs and Serbia, if your going to insult my people, culture and country, then you better expect to receive a reaction.

You are telling me to grow testicles? Listen, I am not a person of insult, But I am a person of debate. And I am not the one hiding behind my computer and telling people to grow male body parts in an untasteful manner. I do support Serbia, but how can I continue doing so when I am verbally attacked by you people.What you Serbs need to understand is that this is a Jewish forum first and formost. You need to realize that the USA and Israel come first. I would love for the USA and Serbia and Israel to tie the knot and be all friendly, but sadly that's not the way it is. I say time and time again thaat I support Serbia. And I am attacked for this by Serbs? I do understand the hostility towards America, but it is and always will be MY country and I will not be able to coexist peacefully with people who continue to attack it. It is YOU who has to understand my Hostility. As for SerbAusrailia, you have no right to come in here as a new JTFer and insult me and tell me to grow balls. Don't start with me, you're nothing (SPIT SPIT!!!!)  >:(

It is amazing that you support Serbia, even if you are sorrounded by US anti- Serb media. Thats nice to see.

Pleace try also to support us on other subjects..
I am getting the feeling that you only support us on Kosovo..
I would like comrade to see you also supproting us regarding Krajina, which is occupied, with US help, by Croatia...

I am from Krajina, when you said that Croatia is not a danger to Serbia, I was very Offended . But I know that you can not be that informed about Yugoslavia, while yiou are surrounded by Westen media... 
Title: Re: Why is there a Save Serbia? (Warning Graphic Pictures in Thread)
Post by: P J C on October 07, 2008, 04:02:42 PM
I will say hands down that I am disturbingly seeing a rise of anti-Americanism in this section. It needs to stop before there is an all out attack of this section. I believe that anti-America ranting on this section is unhealthy for the Serbia movement, and if it does not stop, than people need to be banned.
One more thing,where did you read something "Anti-American" or in which post did you sensed "Anti-Americanism"?Make that clear first please...ty.
Serb Austrailia's posts are clearly anti-American and SOme of Dal's are too.

What a weak person you must be.

Are you unable to take criticism without spiting the dummy.
Man up and grow some balls!

I didn't realize this site was all about preaching the to choir. 

This forum is about Serbs and Serbia, if your going to insult my people, culture and country, then you better expect to receive a reaction.

You are telling me to grow testicles? Listen, I am not a person of insult, But I am a person of debate. And I am not the one hiding behind my computer and telling people to grow male body parts in an untasteful manner. I do support Serbia, but how can I continue doing so when I am verbally attacked by you people.What you Serbs need to understand is that this is a Jewish forum first and formost. You need to realize that the USA and Israel come first. I would love for the USA and Serbia and Israel to tie the knot and be all friendly, but sadly that's not the way it is. I say time and time again thaat I support Serbia. And I am attacked for this by Serbs? I do understand the hostility towards America, but it is and always will be MY country and I will not be able to coexist peacefully with people who continue to attack it. It is YOU who has to understand my Hostility. As for SerbAusrailia, you have no right to come in here as a new JTFer and insult me and tell me to grow balls. Don't start with me, you're nothing (SPIT SPIT!!!!)  >:(

It is amazing that you support Serbia, even if you are sorrounded by US anti- Serb media. Thats nice to see.

Pleace try also to support us on other subjects..
I am getting the feeling that you only support us on Kosovo..
I would like comrade to see you also supproting us regarding Krajina, which is occupied, with US help, by Croatia...

I am from Krajina, when you said that Croatia is not a danger to Serbia, I was very Offended . But I know that you can not be that informed about Yugoslavia, while yiou are surrounded by Westen media... 
Let me make it clear that I have no problem with you Serbs attacking and Condemning the US over our action against your country, but I certainley will not sit back and look at all of these attacks on our Democratic nation beyond Serb issues. The fact that the US is called the ultimate nation of conquest is absolutely preposterous, when you support the REAL ultimate nation of Conquest, Evil empire Russia. We have occupied countries but never conquered them and claimed they belonged to us, we only install Democratic govts in nations. Also, most Americans hate our imperialistic ways (including me) I think we need to only woory about things that hurt our interests. I am speaking out against the unnecessary insults. I have observed Serb posts since about a month ago, and decided to defend my country, which was unnecissarily being attacked on issues that have nothing to do with Serbs and Serbia.
Title: Re: Why is there a Save Serbia? (Warning Graphic Pictures in Thread)
Post by: DALMACIJA on October 07, 2008, 04:12:03 PM
The fact that the US is called the ultimate nation of conquest is absolutely preposterous, when you support the REAL ultimate nation of Conquest, Evil empire Russia.  

Here we go again!
Again very hypocrite statements
I have enough with this…

I want these kind of posts out off this subforum! ! ! !! !  !!   !
Title: Re: Why is there a Save Serbia? (Warning Graphic Pictures in Thread)
Post by: P J C on October 07, 2008, 04:18:54 PM
The fact that the US is called the ultimate nation of conquest is absolutely preposterous, when you support the REAL ultimate nation of Conquest, Evil empire Russia.  

Here we go again!
Again very hypocrite statements
I have enough with this…

I want these kind of posts out off this subforum! ! ! !! !  !!   !
FORTUNEATLY you're not in charge of the Serb section. As much as you think you are in your little imagination. I will continue to call you out everytime you attack my country and my religion, and I promise I will be breathing down your neck and watch your every post until you stop your little hissy fits and debate like a man.
Title: Re: Why is there a Save Serbia? (Warning Graphic Pictures in Thread)
Post by: Jasmina on October 07, 2008, 04:22:14 PM
  I will lock this topic since I don't see any good out of it!