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Save Western Civilization => Save Serbia => Topic started by: DALMACIJA on September 23, 2008, 02:42:22 PM
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About AryehYehudah!!!!
I wanted temporarily to leave this kangaroo pro-West “Serbian” sub forum.
But because people like AryehYehudah started to attack my religion, which I love, and is spreading lies about us, I must responce.
Comparing my religion with fascists (fallen) churches like the KKK and other Nazis,
who follow the philosophy of the murders of Serbs. I decided to say something to this madman, AryehYehudah, so that he would not THINK that I have nothing to say to him after he in cold blood accused Orthodoxy of fascism and of other unchristian activities.
It is a great shame how his paranoid man, who calls himself a Jew, is talking about the Apostolic and Orthodox Christian Church, on a “Serbian” forum?
He is also comparing the Orthodox Church with the actions of the Roman Church, which unfortunately was tempted by anti-Semitism and anti-Orthodoxy in the past.
Trough this way this madman AryehYehudah wants to equal the anti-Semitic past of the former leading position and the high in rank members of the Roman Church to certain anti- Semitic Orthodox individuals who never had a strong fallowness in the Orthodox Church or nations!
Besides not allowing non-Orthodox individuals to have authority positions, the Orthodox nations had never organized, prepared or conducted mass murder against Jews or other people. This all in contradiction to other fallen churches who were tempted by the evil.
It were the Serbs who in WW2 in the name of the ORTHODOX CHURCH AND INSTRUCTED BY THE ORTHODOX CHURCH were saving Jews from Nazi prosecutions.
If were the members of the ORTHODOX CHURCH who propagated that anti-Semitism is in struggle with the teachings of the church fathers.
This is the same Orthodox Church which was for 1000 years prosecuted by united anti-Orthodox forces, including the 500 years long prosecution by the Turkish colonial power – the Ottoman Empire. This church does not deserve to be insulted on a Serb supporting Jewish website!
These sick ideas of AryehYehudah who says that all Orthodox nations must go to hell.
Have no place among civilized people. He must be ashamed of his self!!!! Childish!!!
After the Spanish Catholics religion fanatics exiled Jews out of Spain. These Jews were welcome on Serbian lands and had not experienced prosecution by the Orthodox Church.
The Serbian literature is full with these examples when the Jews arrived on Serbians lands after being exiled from Spain.
If you can not handle that we love our brothers by BLOOD and RELIGION the Russians than stop being pro Serbian! Serbs will always be oriented towards Moscow as long as Moscow continues to be ORTHODOX like we are.
It was wrong in 1941 from Serbian side to accept the communist instructions coming from the “comitern” which was originated in Moscow but had its roots from an other place. But NEVER ACCETP OF THE SERBS TO TURN THEIR BACK AGAINST ORTHODOX RUSSIA!
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If you mean well with Russia you should do everything to influence Russia and Russians that they will not do things that endanger the survival of us all
Explicite I mean with this the export of Russian high tech anti-aircraft missles s300 to Iran.
This type of weapons don't belong in the hands of quranimals.
I highly doubt that this is in the interest of orthodox Christianity and Russia too. :'(
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I feel that on the global basis the Muzzies have somehow succeeded in isolating the Serbs from all others. I do not find any unconditional support for the Serbs.
@ Muzzies may soon succeed in isolating all others.
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I highly doubt that this is in the interest of orthodox Christianity and Russia too. :'(
Well Russia was during the 20th century brainwashed by the international criminal ideology of communism - which was launched in Russian by the Vatican - international - and the worlds Masonic powers.
The results of this periode can not be easly restored.
I do not say that Russia of today is communist just like during the USSR, but we Serbs and Russians still have not solve the problems with our past.
Pheasant
Take the block out of the USA's Western eyes first, before you want to remove the speck out of another’s!!
Like the USA did not supplied weaponary to the terrorists?
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Dalmacija why do you listen what that guy is saying anyway?Mr.Chaim made this forum for Serbs that he likes very much not him!
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Dalmacija why do you listen what that guy is saying anyway?Mr.Chaim made this forum for Serbs that he likes very much not him!
SerbChicago brother because its about us in general!
He had attacked our religion and Church.
He had accused us Orthodox nations for serious crimes.
This was not the first time that I heard something like that!
SerbChicago, if we Serbs are not defending Orthodoxy, who will do it then?
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It should be made clear that Russia and US both are supporting the muzzies on some pretext or the other.
Russia is supporting Iran and US is supporting Saudi Arab, Turkey and Pak666, wherein pak666 is categorically in the possession of Islamic nukes.
The pak666 Islamic nukes are no less a danger to the Jewish and to the world than the Iranian nukes.
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Dalmacija, yes they do. But this is no justification to give quranimals this kind of weapons.
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Dalmacija, yes they do. But this is no justification to give quranimals this kind of weapons.
Fair thoughts.
Oke, then they are at least equal regarding supplying weapons to terrorists.
It is not so black and white.
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If you mean well with Russia you should do everything to influence Russia and Russians that they will not do things that endanger the survival of us all
Explicite I mean with this the export of Russian high tech anti-aircraft missles s300 to Iran.
This type of weapons don't belong in the hands of quranimals.
I highly doubt that this is in the interest of orthodox Christianity and Russia too. :'(
Thats so hipocriticaly to say!What when america does that(and they have done it 10000 times,but thats pushed under the carpet coz its in ur interests)and russia is a danger to us all if it disagrees with the nazi intentions?
Yes,then in fact i agree Russia is a danger to us all fro your moraly confused view.
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If you mean well with Russia you should do everything to influence Russia and Russians that they will not do things that endanger the survival of us all
Explicite I mean with this the export of Russian high tech anti-aircraft missles s300 to Iran.
This type of weapons don't belong in the hands of quranimals.
I highly doubt that this is in the interest of orthodox Christianity and Russia too. :'(
Thats so hipocriticaly to say!What when america does that(and they have done it 10000 times,but thats pushed under the carpet coz its in ur interests)and russia is a danger to us all if it disagrees with the nazi intentions?
Yes,then in fact i agree Russia is a danger to us all fro your moraly confused view.
My point is not biased.
But because lots of western countries did evil, it is no cause for Russia to do this terrible thing.
Where should be the end? S300 surface to air-missles? Su 37 fighter bombers? Tu-160 bombers? Intercontinental rockets? Submarines of the Oskar class?
To help the enemies of Christianity and Judaism is obviously not the righteous way. :o
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americans give checens georgians weapones to [censored] russia,and "arm" poland,ukraine and other naibours,americans want to invade iranians,so they could attack russia easaly,as they did with yugoslavia(serbia) ,russia wanted to give us the same defense system,what if we took it we would be evil commys,anti-semits etc etc???
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To help the enemies of Christianity and Judaism is obviously not the righteous way. :o
It is not.
They think that the USA attack against Iran is dedicated to the surrounding of Russia.
Ehmm.. Is not black and white like that...
Like the USA is promoting Christian or Jewish views by their action in Irak and Afgahnistan... The first command: 1: You should not kill
2: You should not lie...
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americans give checens georgians weapones to deleted russia,and "arm" poland,ukraine and other naibours,americans want to invade iranians,so they could attack russia easaly,as they did with yugoslavia(serbia) ,russia wanted to give us the same defense system,what if we took it we would be evil commys,anti-semits etc etc???
No you would not be "commys,anti-semits".
This is a whole different story. Orthodox Serbs only defending their land, their families and their property.
Muslims do, as history proofs, in any case evil things against Christians and Jews with this weapon systems.
So I think nobody will say a word about it if Serbs have the most advanced weapon systems.
You compare apples with fly agarics :-)
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To help the enemies of Christianity and Judaism is obviously not the righteous way. :o
It is not.
They think that the USA attack against Iran is dedicated to the surrounding of Russia.
Ehmm.. Is not black and white like that...
Like the USA is promoting Christian or Jewish views by their action in Irak and Afgahnistan... The first command: 1: You should not kill
2: You should not lie...
Obviously it is not "You shall not kill", but "you shall not murder" ;-)
To kill Muzzies is only imo an act of self-defense.
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To help the enemies of Christianity and Judaism is obviously not the righteous way. :o
It is not.
They think that the USA attack against Iran is dedicated to the surrounding of Russia.
Ehmm.. Is not black and white like that...
Like the USA is promoting Christian or Jewish views by their action in Irak and Afgahnistan... The first command: 1: You should not kill
2: You should not lie...
Obviously it is not "You shall not kill", but "you shall not murder" ;-)
To kill Muzzies is only imo an act of self-defense.
than you are violating G-d's rules!!!!
You are no Jew!!!!
Lisa adds: Pheasant is a Christian
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To help the enemies of Christianity and Judaism is obviously not the righteous way. :o
It is not.
They think that the USA attack against Iran is dedicated to the surrounding of Russia.
Ehmm.. Is not black and white like that...
Like the USA is promoting Christian or Jewish views by their action in Irak and Afgahnistan... The first command: 1: You should not kill
2: You should not lie...
Obviously it is not "You shall not kill", but "you shall not murder" ;-)
To kill Muzzies is only imo an act of self-defense.
You think you ahve right to kill people??
Are you God? Pheasant ???
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americans give checens georgians weapones to deleted russia,and "arm" poland,ukraine and other naibours,americans want to invade iranians,so they could attack russia easaly,as they did with yugoslavia(serbia) ,russia wanted to give us the same defense system,what if we took it we would be evil commys,anti-semits etc etc???
ti isto pazi sta govoris....
Mogao bi ti dobiti malo batina od mene, majmune!
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No I am a Calvinist Christian. And Jesus said to the soldier, who asked him what he should do to get salvation, that he should take only his salery and do no robbery, but he never said that he should put his weapons down and quit.
Plus Paul said that the gouvernment is wearing the sword.
Additional there is no text, that says, that self-defense is forbidden.
Not everbody is your brother ...
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No I am a Calvinist Christian. And Jesus said to the soldier, who asked him what he should do to get salvation, that he should take only his salery and do no robbery, but he never said that he should put his weapons down and quit.
Plus Paul said that the gouvernment is wearing the sword.
Additional there is no text, that says, that self-defense is forbidden.
Not everbody is your brother ...
You are no christian!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Your church separated it self from the Original church a long time ago!
You have nothing in common with Jesus!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jesus's says:
THERE IS SALVATION FOR EVERYBODY IN CHRISTUS!
if you were Christian you would respect the old and the New Testament!
God has ONE UNIQUE PLAN FOR ALL HUMANS!
HUMANS ARE EQUAL IN GODS EYES...
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Additional there is no text, that says, that self-defense is forbidden.
DO NOT TALK ABOUT SELF DEFENSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WE SERBS SHOWED WHAT SELF DEFENSE IS WHEN WE FOUGHT THE MUCH STRONGER ARMY OF THE TURKISH EMPIRE!
YOU PROTESTANTS NEVER GAVE BLOOD FOR YOU RELIGON!
IN FACT YOU HAVE LOTS CHRISTIANITY!!!
you believe also in the rapture?
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Additional there is no text, that says, that self-defense is forbidden.
DO NOT TALK ABOUT DELF DEFENSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WE SERBS SHOWED WHAT SELF DEFENSE IS WHEN WE FOUGHT THE MUCH STRONGER ARMY OF THE TURKISH EMPIRE!
YOU PROTESTANTS NEVER GAVE BLOOD FOR YOU RELIGON!
IN FACT YOU HAVE LOTS CHRISTITANITY!!!
you believe also in the rapture?
Protestants were brutally killed by Catholics in the past.
Flanders was one of the first countries to go away from the Catholic Church.
Flemish protestants were all killed, or fled.
There are less protestants today in Flanders, than in any country of Europe.
Inquisition did a good job. >:(
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Additional there is no text, that says, that self-defense is forbidden.
DO NOT TALK ABOUT DELF DEFENSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WE SERBS SHOWED WHAT SELF DEFENSE IS WHEN WE FOUGHT THE MUCH STRONGER ARMY OF THE TURKISH EMPIRE!
YOU PROTESTANTS NEVER GAVE BLOOD FOR YOU RELIGON!
IN FACT YOU HAVE LOTS CHRISTITANITY!!!
you believe also in the rapture?
Protestants were brutally killed by Catholics in the past.
Flanders was one of the first countries to go away from the Catholic Church.
Flemish protestants were all killed, or fled.
There are less protestants today in Flanders, than in any country of Europe.
Inquisition did a good job. >:(
Yes and today these protestants are cooperating with Catholics who had killed them in the past.
This man claims to be a soldier of Jesus? And he is allowed to kill Muslim civilians in the name of Jesus? I hope he does not mean this! What kind of religion is that? It is not Christianity!
JESUS SAYS:
BLEST ARE THE PEACE MAKERS NOT THE WARLORDS!
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No I am a Calvinist Christian. And Jesus said to the soldier, who asked him what he should do to get salvation, that he should take only his salery and do no robbery, but he never said that he should put his weapons down and quit.
Plus Paul said that the gouvernment is wearing the sword.
Additional there is no text, that says, that self-defense is forbidden.
Not everbody is your brother ...
You are no christian!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Your church separated it self from the Original church a long time ago!
You have nothing in common with Jesus!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jesus's says:
THERE IS SALVATION FOR EVERYBODY IN CHRISTUS!
if you were Christian you would respect the old and the New Testament!
G-d has ONE UNIQUE PLAN FOR ALL HUMANS!
HUMANS ARE EQUAL IN GODS EYES...
I believe in the 5 points of Calvinism. Paul also believed in it.
Read the chapter 9 of the letter to the Romans.
Not everybody is choosen to be a Christian and so your brother. It is obvious, that the gospels teaches that some are not.
Imo Jews are a very special case, because they have the promises of God himself in the books of Mose if they follow his law. It is conditional and not easy, but imo possible.
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No I am a Calvinist Christian. And Jesus said to the soldier, who asked him what he should do to get salvation, that he should take only his salery and do no robbery, but he never said that he should put his weapons down and quit.
Plus Paul said that the gouvernment is wearing the sword.
Additional there is no text, that says, that self-defense is forbidden.
Not everbody is your brother ...
You are no christian!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Your church separated it self from the Original church a long time ago!
You have nothing in common with Jesus!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jesus's says:
THERE IS SALVATION FOR EVERYBODY IN CHRISTUS!
if you were Christian you would respect the old and the New Testament!
G-d has ONE UNIQUE PLAN FOR ALL HUMANS!
HUMANS ARE EQUAL IN GODS EYES...
I believe in the 5 points of Calvinism. Paul also believed in it.
Read the chapter 9 of the letter to the Romans.
Not everybody is choosen to be a Christian and so your brother. It is obvious, that the gospels teaches that some are not.
Imo Jews are a very special case, because they have the promises of G-d himself in the books of Mose if they follow his law. It is conditional and not easy, but imo possible.
You are very wrong everybody can be Christian and there is salvation for everybody.
You are so wrong....
PS:
Jesus did not only came for the Jews! But for all humanity...
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I believe in the 5 points of Calvinism. Paul also believed in it.
Read the chapter 9 of the letter to the Romans.
Not everybody is choosen to be a Christian and so your brother. It is obvious, that the gospels teaches that some are not.
You do not know what your are saying!
My God you have really lost it....
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Additional there is no text, that says, that self-defense is forbidden.
DO NOT TALK ABOUT DELF DEFENSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WE SERBS SHOWED WHAT SELF DEFENSE IS WHEN WE FOUGHT THE MUCH STRONGER ARMY OF THE TURKISH EMPIRE!
YOU PROTESTANTS NEVER GAVE BLOOD FOR YOU RELIGON!
IN FACT YOU HAVE LOTS CHRISTITANITY!!!
you believe also in the rapture?
Protestants were brutally killed by Catholics in the past.
Flanders was one of the first countries to go away from the Catholic Church.
Flemish protestants were all killed, or fled.
There are less protestants today in Flanders, than in any country of Europe.
Inquisition did a good job. >:(
Yes and today these protestants are cooperating with Catholics who had killed them in the past.
This man claims to be a soldier of Jesus? And he is allowed to kill Muslim civilians in the name of Jesus? I hope he does not mean this! What kind of religion is that? It is not Christianity!
JESUS SAYS:
BLEST ARE THE PEACE MAKERS NOT THE WARLORDS!
In fact, in our part of Europe, we learned indeed that peace is the best way.
Fighting between Catholics and Protestants does not exist here anymore.
From that time we have freedom of religion.
I go to sleep now.
All the best,
Ambiorix
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I believe in the 5 points of Calvinism. Paul also believed in it.
Read the chapter 9 of the letter to the Romans.
Not everybody is choosen to be a Christian and so your brother. It is obvious, that the gospels teaches that some are not.
You do not know what your are saying!
My G-d you have really lost it....
I think we can only agree to disagree. No offense :)
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I believe in the 5 points of Calvinism. Paul also believed in it.
Read the chapter 9 of the letter to the Romans.
Not everybody is choosen to be a Christian and so your brother. It is obvious, that the gospels teaches that some are not.
You do not know what your are saying!
My G-d you have really lost it....
I think we can only agree to disagree. No offense :)
friend this is very very serious....
It is dangerous to talk in the name of Jesus, if you do not represent His teachings...
Do you believe in teh rapture? ?
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You mean that righteous Christians will be taken away from this world before the great suffering will begin?
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You mean that righteous Christians will be taken away from this world before the great suffering will begin?
do you believe in that?
Yes or no ?
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You mean that righteous Christians will be taken away from this world before the great suffering will begin?
do you believe in that?
Yes or no ?
I have read it, but not with commentaries and in depth. So I am not shure about it. Althrough it is possible.
I will read revelation again. Please give me a few days to study it in depth. Then I will give you my answer.
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americans give checens georgians weapones to deleted russia,and "arm" poland,ukraine and other naibours,americans want to invade iranians,so they could attack russia easaly,as they did with yugoslavia(serbia) ,russia wanted to give us the same defense system,what if we took it we would be evil commys,anti-semits etc etc???
No you would not be "commys,anti-semits".
This is a whole different story. Orthodox Serbs only defending their land, their families and their property.
Muslims do, as history proofs, in any case evil things against Christians and Jews with this weapon systems.
So I think nobody will say a word about it if Serbs have the most advanced weapon systems.
You compare apples with fly agarics :-)
what r u talking about,they were screaming serbZZ#$@$!!!! holocaust!!!!11312 worse then the nazis!!!!!hitlee iz serbian!!!!111,serbians destoryed atlantis!!!111WE exterminated everything in the balkans we got evil weapones from stan etc,so pleeeeeeeease......
(tho i rly would love it if it was the way u described,but unfortunetly for us i guess)
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americans give checens georgians weapones to deleted russia,and "arm" poland,ukraine and other naibours,americans want to invade iranians,so they could attack russia easaly,as they did with yugoslavia(serbia) ,russia wanted to give us the same defense system,what if we took it we would be evil commys,anti-semits etc etc???
ti isto pazi sta govoris....
Mogao bi ti dobiti malo batina od mene, majmune!
haha,svaka cast,bravo,to ce osloboditi dalmaciju od ustas :-)
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americans give checens georgians weapones to deleted russia,and "arm" poland,ukraine and other naibours,americans want to invade iranians,so they could attack russia easaly,as they did with yugoslavia(serbia) ,russia wanted to give us the same defense system,what if we took it we would be evil commys,anti-semits etc etc???
No you would not be "commys,anti-semits".
This is a whole different story. Orthodox Serbs only defending their land, their families and their property.
Muslims do, as history proofs, in any case evil things against Christians and Jews with this weapon systems.
So I think nobody will say a word about it if Serbs have the most advanced weapon systems.
You compare apples with fly agarics :-)
what r u talking about,they were screaming serbZZ#$@$!!!! holocaust!!!!11312 worse then the nazis!!!!!hitlee iz serbian!!!!111,serbians destoryed atlantis!!!111WE exterminated everything in the balkans we got evil weapones from stan etc,so pleeeeeeeease......
(tho i rly would love it if it was the way u described,but unfortunetly for us i guess)
Perhaps I have to correct my sentence:
So I think nobody will say a word about it if Serbs have the most advanced weapon systems.
So I think nobody here will say a word about it if Serbs have the most advanced weapon systems.
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Why don't we all get along and focus on a real issues rather then search for inner fights between us!?
Serbs and Jews were friends and will be, especially on this forum! Leave that suspicious new commer and focus on the real problems that we have!
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Hi Jasmina, it started out about me. Yeah, am I suspicious? Well, I am Pro-American, Anti-Russia and its Islamic and Fascist allies. Perhaps lot of other members should be called suspicious to then. Yes, I did speak openly about the crimes the Orthodox church committed against my people. This guy claims they never happened and he loves Putin, Russia and even claims Lenin was the Jew (which he is not!) who destroyed Russia's beautiful orthodox nation. No offense, but I am yet to hear much good from this guy. I am not saying all Orthodox are bad, but me and my family have been abused worse from Orthodox Christians and some Catholics, than by Protestants. My family escaped Ukraine, Poland and Russia and most of the people on my father's side are dead at the hands of Nazis. But, many of my relatives left way before the nazis, cause the Eastern European "Orthodox" and "Catholics" would perform massive pogroms that resulted in great suffering and death to my people. Ok, if you will deny this, I suggest you go visit the Jewish Virtual Library website.
What a fool I am to state something so true. I don't trust Eastern European Orthodox and Catholics. No Offense! Build My TRust. As for me insulting religion, this guy Dalmacija has just insulted other people's religion in the process of crying about his own religion being insulted, hypocrite! He just told a Calvinist member of the board that Protestant Christians are not true Christians, they don't know Christianity and that he doesn't know Jesus. What a HYPOCRITE!
By the way, I really respect Protestant Christians and some Catholics I meet. It was Protestant American and Catholic CHristians who saved our behinds from the oppression and pogroms of Eastern Orthodox CHristians. The reason I raised eyebrows and suspicious of Serbian Orthodoxy, is that they are allies with Russians, our oppressors. Yes, I don't know the details of Serbian Orthodoxy and I apologized for being ignorant, but this guy Dalmacija is doing nothing to ease my lack of trust. Had they not been great allies with Russians, I think I could have supported these people.
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"I am not saying all Orthodox are bad"
YOU JUST SAID THAT!
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"I am not saying all Orthodox are bad"
YOU JUST SAID THAT!
I was speaking in general terms. My people were oppressed badly and still are not liked by Orthodox Christians. I have visited some Orthodox churches, by the way. I am not so ignorant about CHristianity as you think. I woudl really appreciate it if these Orthodox Churches can finally remove from their liturgy, that we Jews are the Killers of your Christ. If you don't believ me , go visit many Orthodox churches in ethnic neighborhoods. NOt the liberal, poltically correct, reformed types. When I am called "Christ Killer", my blood boils.
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You came in here to spread lies about Christian Orthodox Churches!
You can check this out! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHmIUERMSwE
http://jtf.org/forum_english/index.php/topic,24865.0.html
http://jtf.org/forum_english/index.php/topic,26501.0.html
Before you acuse Serbs for G-d knows what reasons, you better inform yourself about our country, religion,culture and don't spread lies because if you don't do that I will report you to Global Mods and Administrators!
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I am tired of reading all the Anti-American, Pro-Russian stuff from some Serbs on this board.. I will definately research more about your country. My anger was at the oppression of Jewish people in Eastern European Orthodox countries , in general. Actually, I don't know much about Serbian Orthodox Church, but if you kick me off of here, I think I will have a better understsanding. I will read about your country, but it doesn't excuse the type of things I hear. Muslims were not the only people to oppress our people, I think you know very little of Jewish history and will knock Jews off this board to promote your own agenda. Sorry, for my ignorance about Seriba, but I appreciate you dont act like a fascist, threatening me for stating my beliefs. This man has said many thinsg I feel go against the foundation and principles of a site that is pro-Israel and pro-America. I will never support Russia and I do not forget what happened to my people. If you support Russia, you are not my friend, ban me if you like!
I have family, friends from Orthodox Jewish community and other Jews who are interested in this site. You will not kick all of us off, there is more like me! I thought the website was Jews Against Obama , not Serbs Against America!
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http://www.flix.co.il/tapuz/showVideo.asp?m=2474202
before you say anything else, please listen to Chaim's videos!
Because of your ignorance about Serbia, you think that we are some kind of Russians who killed your family members! Are you for real??
I bet you don't even know where is Serbia on the map!
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"You will not kick all of us off, there is more like me! I thought the website was Jews Against Obama , not Serbs Against America!"
I don't have banning power, Global Moderators and Administrators have! If you keep spreading lies about our culture and religion, then for sure I will report you to them!
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So it is only wrong for Jews to spread lies about culture and religion, which I did not. Rather, Dalmacija has spread his share of lies I believe. Will he also be reported? I guess us Jews always favor ourselves second, to our allies. Yet I question the integrity of our allies? As for me insulting Serbia and its religion, as I stated many times I don't know much about it!!! I said I will research. My anger was directed to Russia and its religion. If you like me to back up the oppression of JEws by Russia and its Orthodox Church, I can certainly provide you with more information than you will ever want. My grandmother, if she was not senile, could also tell you lot of great stories of her life over in Ukraine.
Ok.. Shalom Alecheim.
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If it is leading to an infight between the Jews and Serbs, then it should be stopped.
Jews and Serbs should be in a best position to understand each other well. Anything that tries to draw a wedge between Jews and Serbs has to be only a muzzie propaganda.
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"I am not saying all Orthodox are bad"
YOU JUST SAID THAT!
I was speaking in general terms. My people were oppressed badly and still are not liked by Orthodox Christians. I have visited some Orthodox churches, by the way. I am not so ignorant about CHristianity as you think. I woudl really appreciate it if these Orthodox Churches can finally remove from their liturgy, that we Jews are the Killers of your Christ. If you don't believ me , go visit many Orthodox churches in ethnic neighborhoods. NOt the liberal, poltically correct, reformed types. When I am called "Christ Killer", my blood boils.
ok now,imagine that you are some russian or serb that thinks that exact same way about americans,can you imagine that?
there are more like you?you mean more that see some facts diferently?yes as long as there are ppl who are so radical about they'r misguided views there will be muslims and and extremists in every kind(hint this is an Allusia,wikki that word if its not know 2u)
(btw,dont think i don't understand why and how u feel!i'm just trying to make you understand that the other side feels the same way!my side,there aren't so many ppl that despise the jews(i don't trus jews,i mean jews who are on some high places in eu or america,u can understand why)and there aren't that many(hehe)ppl that h8 the serbs,accept the ones who watch cnn,or fox,btw i have a feeling you have heard about serbia on some news how they kill and rape h8 jews blllllah,but the only reason you aren't dismisingly attacking us is becous jtf supports us and you think,hmmm why,i wanna know etc r?)
-Nicolai/Nicolas/Nikola :)
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As for me insulting religion, this guy Dalmacija has just insulted other people's religion in the process of crying about his own religion being insulted, hypocrite! He just told a Calvinist member of the board that Protestant Christians are not true Christians, they don't know Christianity and that he doesn't know Jesus. What a HYPOCRITE!
That Calvinist member said that you have the right to kill or to lie against certain people. If his religion is teaching that, than that religion has nothing in common with Christianity. Must I tolerate if somebody says that he has the right to kill ?
You now suddely worry about Jesus and accuse me for insulting the protestant religion?
Did not you call Jesus a Greek "god" Zeus? Who is the HYPOCRITE ?
We all should calm down and talk this out like civilized people.
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As for me insulting religion, this guy Dalmacija has just insulted other people's religion in the process of crying about his own religion being insulted, hypocrite! He just told a Calvinist member of the board that Protestant Christians are not true Christians, they don't know Christianity and that he doesn't know Jesus. What a HYPOCRITE!
That Calvinist member said that you have the right to kill or to lie against certain people. If his religion is teaching that, than that religion has nothing in common with Christianity. Must I tolerate if somebody says that he has the right to kill ?
You now suddely worry about Jesus and accuse me for insulting the protestant religion?
Did not you call Jesus a Greek "G-d" Zeus? Who is the HYPOCRITE ?
We all should calm down and talk this out like civilized people.
Dalmacija, I have never said that you are allowed to lie. Please be fair.
My point was that we are allowed to fight in self-defense and of course to punish crimes.
On the other hand the gouvernment is bound to the whole moral part of the law of Moses. This is exactly what Calvin teaches and he referrs always to Paul and the Gospels.
I have finished today revelation in depth to chapter 10. It is not easy because of lots of parallel-texts that must put in context.
I think I am done with it in two days.
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Dalmacija, I have never said that you are allowed to lie. Please be fair.
My point was that we are allowed to fight in self-defense and of course to punish crimes.
On the other hand the gouvernment is bound to the whole moral part of the law of Moses. This is exactly what Calvin teaches and he referrs always to Paul and the Gospels.
I have finished today revelation in depth to chapter 10. It is not easy because of lots of parallel-texts that must put in context.
I think I am done with it in two days.
You said:
Obviously it is not "You shall not kill", but "you shall not murder" ;-)
To kill Muzzies is only imo an act of self-defense.
You are not allowed to kill people in any circumstances!
You are not allowed to act like a Muslims or to act like you live in the days of the Tanach. You claim to be a Christian? Well than you have the New Testament.
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People, I think we all need to calm down.
Chaim said on a past "Ask JTF" show, that he doesn't blame the Serbs for being pro-Russian. However, he then went on to point out that Russia was not much of a help to the Serbs. He said the fact that they're arming the Islamos should greatly concern the Serbs, as it does the Jews and the Americans.
I think I'm going to send Chaim a link to this thread and have him comment here, since this is his forum, and since he's quite the expert on Serbia and Jewish history. Meanwhile this thread will be locked.
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Dalmacija, I have never said that you are allowed to lie. Please be fair.
My point was that we are allowed to fight in self-defense and of course to punish crimes.
On the other hand the gouvernment is bound to the whole moral part of the law of Moses. This is exactly what Calvin teaches and he referrs always to Paul and the Gospels.
I have finished today revelation in depth to chapter 10. It is not easy because of lots of parallel-texts that must put in context.
I think I am done with it in two days.
You said:
Obviously it is not "You shall not kill", but "you shall not murder" ;-)
To kill Muzzies is only imo an act of self-defense.
You are not allowed to kill people in any circumstances!
You are not allowed to act like a Muslims or to act like you live in the days of The Tanach. You claim to be a Christian? Well than you have the New Testament.
Dalmacija, you didn't proof your point. You only repeat your oppinion.
I learn not as much as I want, but I learn nearly daily. We have to ask our scriptures to get a response from it.
I agree, that some reformed Christians like the Hutterites and some other "old" baptists agree with you.
But there are also points that proof my oppinion, like Jesus talk with the soldier. You can look it up in Luke 3, 14. Augustinus referrs to this point, like Calvin.
I don't want a confessional fight, but I have my oppinion and I told you my reason for it.