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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: schrodinger's cat on October 12, 2008, 09:16:52 PM
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(http://www.sheitel.com/ImageGallery/388cd469-626e-4a34-ac5c-a48f5a91f745.jpg)
America's most controversial hockey mom has inspired a new item made for religious women that probably isn't sold up there in Alaska, gosh darn it!
The 'Sarah Palin Wig,' based on the hairstyle of the Last Frontier State governor and GOP vice presidential candidate, is the latest head covering to go on sale at Sheitel.com, a Brooklyn wig shop and Web site for Orthodox Jewish women who maintain modesty by concealing their natural hair.
"One of our stylists thought it would make a good style, so we produced it," said Boruch Shlanger, one of Sheitel.com's owners, in an e-mail to The Shmooze. "It is very easy to maintain, and is a very classic look, yet fashion forward!"
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1028261.html
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That's such a cute idea. ;D
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Wigs- expecially good looking ones are not acceptable according to the Hachamim (expecially all the Sefardi one's, and most Askenazi ones would probably also not allow a wig like that).
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Wigs- expecially good looking ones are not acceptable according to the Hachamim (expecially all the Sefaradi one's, and most Askenazi ones would probably also not allow a wig like that).
How would a "good looking wig" be defined, exactly?
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Wigs- expecially good looking ones are not acceptable according to the Hachamim (expecially all the Sefaradi one's, and most Askenazi ones would probably also not allow a wig like that).
How would a "good looking wig" be defined, exactly?
I dont know, but a wig is not good. Better to have a scarf (or a hat) or some other head covering.
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Tzvi, I do understand your point, but we are thankful that people are at least trying to do Halacha. If this is all they can do and they are trying to embrace modesty, then G-d bless them for it.
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I like it
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I like it
As long as they don't shave their hair underneath!
Muslims would never put up with that(shaving), and they're right on that!
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Wigs- expecially good looking ones are not acceptable according to the Hachamim (expecially all the Sefaradi one's, and most Askenazi ones would probably also not allow a wig like that).
Not true. You may want this to be the case, but it's simply not true.
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a sephardi rebbetzin just wondered up the road wearing a wig.
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a Sefaradi rebbetzin just wondered up the road wearing a wig.
I've yet to see any orthodox women wearing a "non good looking" wig! They are all good looking ones. And all very lifelike. If they weren't, they'd probably all opt for the scarf instead!
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a Sefaradi rebbetzin just wondered up the road wearing a wig.
I've yet to see any orthodox women wearing a "non good looking" wig! They are all good looking ones. And all very lifelike. If they weren't, they'd probably all opt for the scarf instead!
pretty women look nice in headscarfs.
I think jewish women prefer the anonymity of the wig. They don't get pestered by annoying liberal-multicultural gentiles that are desperately interested in the jewish religion. They just want to do their job and not be treated differently.
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pretty women look nice in headscarfs.
I think so, too, q_q_.
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a Sefaradi rebbetzin just wondered up the road wearing a wig.
I've yet to see any orthodox women wearing a "non good looking" wig! They are all good looking ones. And all very lifelike. If they weren't, they'd probably all opt for the scarf instead!
pretty women look nice in headscarfs.
Oh, that wasn't what I meant. Of course they do. I was saying as a response to Tzvi's comment where he said that "good looking wigs" are not permitted. I'm saying that if the wigs didn't look good, women wouldn't wear them. And they'd all wear the head scarves. I actually prefer the 'non-wig' hair coverings, personally...
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I like it
As long as they don't shave their hair underneath!
Muslims would never put up with that(shaving), and they're right on that!
I have heard that shaving the hair underneath was a tradition by some religious Jews. This is true?
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I like it
As long as they don't shave their hair underneath!
Muslims would never put up with that(shaving), and they're right on that!
I have heard that shaving the hair underneath was a tradition by some religious Jews. This is true?
Not as a tradition, but because the wig can get uncomfortable.
This is unfortunately true.
Now the hole in the sheet - that's a myth.
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I like it
As long as they don't shave their hair underneath!
Muslims would never put up with that(shaving), and they're right on that!
I have heard that shaving the hair underneath was a tradition by some religious Jews. This is true?
Some did it and had good reasons (in Europe so the women would not get raped). But overall just do it like that, and now, is not good at all. Infact women who shave their heads are doing something that is characterized by certain female demons (Lilim Ysv).
The whole prupose of covering the heads is so that OTHER men dont look at you and the only one who is to enjoy the wife is the husband. Now, what is the point for a women to shave her natural hair and put on an expensive wig- to look good when she's outside and attract other men, and look horrible to the husband ?(even the thought of a women without her natural hair is repulsive to me, and I would guess for most other normal men too.)
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I like it
As long as they don't shave their hair underneath!
Muslims would never put up with that(shaving), and they're right on that!
I have heard that shaving the hair underneath was a tradition by some religious Jews. This is true?
Some did it and had good reasons (in Europe so the women would not get raped). But overall just do it like that, and now, is not good at all. Infact women who shave their heads are doing something that is characterized by certain female demons (Lilim Ysv).
The whole prupose of covering the heads is so that OTHER men dont look at you and the only one who is to enjoy the wife is the husband. Now, what is the point for a women to shave her natural hair and put on an expensive wig- to look good when she's outside and attract other men, and look horrible to the husband ?(even the thought of a women without her natural hair is repulsive to me, and I would guess for most other normal men too.)
How about this, what if she had a short, but still attractive hairstyle under the wig?
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Personally, I'm very bad at telling what a wig looks like vs. real hair.
And I agree with Tzvi on this one. What's the point of having a nice looking wig, made out of human hair that looks real to most people, only to show an unattractive shaved head to your husband?
Why not just cover your natural hair with some kind of scarf or hat?
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a Sefaradi rebbetzin just wondered up the road wearing a wig.
Then ask her husband, or you find yourself, 1- Sefardi Posek who allows it.
And this isn't just a Sefardi/Askenazi thing, I think, expecially recently their was this whole thing of wig burning (expecially after they found out that the hair was coming from Indian Idolatry).
One leniency that can be made (and what I heard) is that if a lady is not covering her head at all, then it would be better to have a wig (but that is a leniency, it isn't the preffered thing, and I dont know if it is according to all, but I heard 1 Rav say).
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I like it
As long as they don't shave their hair underneath!
Muslims would never put up with that(shaving), and they're right on that!
I have heard that shaving the hair underneath was a tradition by some religious Jews. This is true?
Not as a tradition, but because the wig can get uncomfortable.
This is unfortunately true.
Now the hole in the sheet - that's a myth.
I saw an episode of curb your enthusiasm once where Larry David (Yimach Shmo) made fun of hasidic Jews and said they used a sheet.
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Heck fire, that wig would look good mounted on a plaque and hanging over the fireplace next to the 10 point.
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I like it
As long as they don't shave their hair underneath!
Muslims would never put up with that(shaving), and they're right on that!
I have heard that shaving the hair underneath was a tradition by some religious Jews. This is true?
Not as a tradition, but because the wig can get uncomfortable.
This is unfortunately true.
Now the hole in the sheet - that's a myth.
Oh, of course that's a myth..
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I saw an episode of curb your enthusiasm once where Larry David (Yimach Shmo) made fun of hasidic Jews and said they used a sheet.
I am not convinced that Larry David, for his sin of being an apostate, and open about it, merits to be cursed with the same curse that jews use of hitler and arafat.
Who are you copying when you do that?
Would Chaim curse Larry David like that?
I notice that of the small handful of people that do it, 3/4 of them are not jewish.
I would be suprised if Larry David "made fun", like a bad school child, in a taunting relentless malicious way. I've seen him and he does some quality comedy. He is a comedian.
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I saw an episode of curb your enthusiasm once where Larry David (Yimach Shmo) made fun of hasidic Jews and said they used a sheet.
I am not convinced that Larry David, for his sin of being an apostate, and open about it, merits to be cursed with the same curse that jews use of hitler and arafat.
Who are you copying when you do that?
Would Chaim curse Larry David like that?
I notice that of the small handful of people that do it, 3/4 of them are not jewish.
I would be suprised if Larry David "made fun", like a bad school child, in a taunting relentless malicious way. I've seen him and he does some quality comedy. He is a comedian.
I don't know, qq, some people here are just curse happy...
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I saw an episode of curb your enthusiasm once where Larry David (Yimach Shmo) made fun of hasidic Jews and said they used a sheet.
I am not convinced that Larry David, for his sin of being an apostate, and open about it, merits to be cursed with the same curse that jews use of hitler and arafat.
Who are you copying when you do that?
Would Chaim curse Larry David like that?
I notice that of the small handful of people that do it, 3/4 of them are not jewish.
I would be suprised if Larry David "made fun", like a bad school child, in a taunting relentless malicious way. I've seen him and he does some quality comedy. He is a comedian.
I don't know, qq, some people here are just curse happy...
don't make excuses for them.
and don't yet put "camerakid" in the same bag as the sick repeat offenders
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Chaim does not like the term "Ultra-Orthodox" because it implies that observant Jews are radical and is a term mostly used by non-religious. Many Chabad congregations don't consider themselves Orthodox either because they want to be open to every Jew.
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Chaim does not like the term "Ultra-Orthodox" because it implies that observant Jews are radical and is a term mostly used by non-religious. Many Chabad congregations don't consider themselves Orthodox either because they want to be open to every Jew.
well whatdo we call radical "ultra" orthodox Jews? Inclusive Orthodox Jews? >:(
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Chaim does not like the term "Ultra-Orthodox" because it implies that observant Jews are radical and is a term mostly used by non-religious. Many Chabad congregations don't consider themselves Orthodox either because they want to be open to every Jew.
well whatdo we call radical "ultra" orthodox Jews? Inclusive Orthodox Jews? >:(
charedim.
or Strictly Orthodox.
They don't like to be called "ultra".
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Chaim does not like the term "Ultra-Orthodox" because it implies that observant Jews are radical and is a term mostly used by non-religious. Many Chabad congregations don't consider themselves Orthodox either because they want to be open to every Jew.
well whatdo we call radical "ultra" orthodox Jews? Inclusive Orthodox Jews? >:(
charedim.
or Strictly Orthodox.
They don't like to be called "ultra".
ok, so that's what I'll call them...charedi or strictly orthodox...fair enough.
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Chaim does not like the term "Ultra-Orthodox" because it implies that observant Jews are radical and is a term mostly used by non-religious. Many Chabad congregations don't consider themselves Orthodox either because they want to be open to every Jew.
well whatdo we call radical "ultra" orthodox Jews? Inclusive Orthodox Jews? >:(
charedim.
or Strictly Orthodox.
They don't like to be called "ultra".
ok, so that's what I'll call them...charedi or strictly orthodox...fair enough.
charedim is more specific to the group.. black hat..
maybe there would be some religious zionists that would object to being excluded from the label of "strictly orthodox"... though the term wouldn't normally refer to them.
you can count on strictly orthodox jews in the diaspora being charedi.
because if they were really serious and religious zionist, they'd surely live in israel.
the serious religious zionists in israel, , might be called Dati Leumi, though i'm not sure if they are all really strictly seriously orthodox. Some are.. leading ones certainly are. They are probably generally like right wing modern orthodox. With leaders , their rabbis, being very strict.
In America, Rabbi Kahane used to send kids to anti zionist schools, because they were simply more religious, and kids got a better jewish education. He himself studied at Mir yeshiva. Probably the only zionist there!
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Chaim does not like the term "Ultra-Orthodox" because it implies that observant Jews are radical and is a term mostly used by non-religious. Many Chabad congregations don't consider themselves Orthodox either because they want to be open to every Jew.
well whatdo we call radical "ultra" orthodox Jews? Inclusive Orthodox Jews? >:(
charedim.
or Strictly Orthodox.
They don't like to be called "ultra".
ok, so that's what I'll call them...charedi or strictly orthodox...fair enough.
charedim is more specific to the group.. black hat..
maybe there would be some religious zionists that would object to being excluded from the label of "strictly orthodox"... though the term wouldn't normally refer to them.
you can count on strictly orthodox jews in the diaspora being charedi.
because if they were really serious and religious zionist, they'd surely live in israel.
the serious religious zionists in israel, , might be called Dati Leumi, though i'm not sure if they are all really strictly seriously orthodox. Some are.. leading ones certainly are. They are probably generally like right wing modern orthodox. With leaders , their rabbis, being very strict.
In America, Rabbi Kahane used to send kids to anti zionist schools, because they were simply more religious, and kids got a better jewish education. He himself studied at Mir yeshiva. Probably the only zionist there!
actually, I have noticed that I have lessened my use of the term ultra orthodox since I have joined JTF a two years ago...Like you are saying, I was referring to the Haredi as Black Hats, but Lubovitch as Chabad. And religious zionists as religious zionists..
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it's hideous. if you are balding, it's fine. i don't think that hair looks like Sarah Palin's hair. Sarah has beautiful brunette hair that is not overly thick like that wig. it looks like a floor mop :laugh:
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I like it
As long as they don't shave their hair underneath!
Muslims would never put up with that(shaving), and they're right on that!
I have heard that shaving the hair underneath was a tradition by some religious Jews. This is true?
Some did it and had good reasons (in Europe so the women would not get raped). But overall just do it like that, and now, is not good at all. Infact women who shave their heads are doing something that is characterized by certain female demons (Lilim Ysv).
The whole prupose of covering the heads is so that OTHER men dont look at you and the only one who is to enjoy the wife is the husband. Now, what is the point for a women to shave her natural hair and put on an expensive wig- to look good when she's outside and attract other men, and look horrible to the husband ?(even the thought of a women without her natural hair is repulsive to me, and I would guess for most other normal men too.)
Yep, completely counter-intuitive.
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That is a pretty wig. But what's wrong with just wearing a scarf? They're lovely and they come in all colors. :)
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The whole prupose of covering the heads is so that OTHER men dont look at you and the only one who is to enjoy the wife is the husband.
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I'm not sure who you think you are addressing. ("you" obviously isn't anybody here)
But anyhow, as we've pointed out, some women look very attractive wearing head coverings.
infact, I think some women look more attractive wearing head coverings than wearing their natural hair!