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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: muman613 on October 16, 2008, 04:42:48 PM
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Shalom,
It is so sad that an organization which was established to ensure that antisemitism doesnt rise again is now engaged in propagating the perverted idea of homosexual marriage. According to this story @ http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/proposition-8-whos-really-lying/story.aspx?guid=%7B5627F03A-80C6-4259-8A81-E5D73F237D93%7D&dist=hppr it appears ADL is against Proposition 8 {here in CA} which will make homo marriage legal here. I adamantly am against this sickness and will be voting for Prop 8 on election day.
From the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) Amicus Curiae Brief:
"In the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, where the right of same-sex couples to marry is protected under the state constitution, it is particularly important to teach children about families with gay parents." [p 5]
"Diversity education is most effective when it begins during the students' formative years. The earlier diversity education occurs, the more likely it is that students will be able to educate their peers, thereby compounding the benefits of this instruction." [p 3]
(Note: The ADL is a leading member of the No on 8 campaign, and publicly announced they had joined the campaign opposing Proposition 8 on September 9, 2008.)
Shame on the ADL for violating such an important mitzvah. What kind of Jews are running this organization. At one time I almost supported these liberal fools, but I will never recommend that anyone give to the ADL again.
muman613
http://regions.adl.org/central-pacific/news/adl-joins-efforts-to-defeat.html
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They should just change their name to the Defamation League.
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The law is clear. Homosexuals are rejected by god. For them is no hope and no life in the next world - they will get only darkness and unlimited distance to god.
They want to educate young people ...
Imo they should do it rightly, or they should get lost!
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It's one thing to tell kids not to hate someone for having a lifestyle like that. Even at that, I don't think schools should be telling them that. It's quite another step entirely to force kids to accept homosexuality as normal or even admirable, which they are now doing to kids in schools.
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It's one thing to tell kids not to hate someone for having a lifestyle like that. Even at that, I don't think schools should be telling them that. It's quite another step entirely to force kids to accept homosexuality as normal or even admirable, which they are now doing to kids in schools.
this is Obama's education plan, to teach 5-12 yr. olds, not against "molesters," but that "pleasure" and "masturbation," is normal, then why else is this in his agenda.
In California, the gays call Prop 8, "hate," which states marriage is between man and a woman. should you be overheard saying anything against gays, it is regarded the same as racial discrimination. wealthy gay activists are behind this movement and are trying to get this into legislation. NO LAUGHING NO MATTER HOW RIDICULOUS THEY LOOK. one night, doing some errands in W. Hollywood, a hairy, overweight, gay, was walking on his tippy toes, no shirt, with all his junk hanging out of his short shorts. this is called INCECENT EXPOSURE and is against the law. trying to get a Sheriff, across the street, from where I was, is a waste of time. if you can even get one to come and investigate when called, they are too busy eyeballing who you are complaining about. you get what i am saying, right? THEY ARE ALL A BUNCH OF GAYS AT THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE IN W. HOLLYWOOD, OTHERWISE, THEY WOULD BE REASSIGNED. THEY WANT TO BE THERE, WHERE ALL THE ACTION IS, I.E., GAY CLUBS: RAGE, MICKEYS, TRUNKS, please.
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Why does ADL support Homo Marriage?
Thats why they never get a penny from anyone in my family
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It's one thing to tell kids not to hate someone for having a lifestyle like that. Even at that, I don't think schools should be telling them that. It's quite another step entirely to force kids to accept homosexuality as normal or even admirable, which they are now doing to kids in schools.
100% agree
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It never ceases to amaze me that people are actually surprised when Jewish organizations support liberal causes. American Jews are probably 90% leftist. Conservative Jews are the minority in this country. Are people simply unaware of this or is it just too difficult to accept?
So of course the ADL supports gay marriage and every other leftist cause. Why would you expect otherwise.
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Because them claim to be against Discrimination of all kinds. They are nuts. But we do need to give credit where it is due the ADL does great work but are weak on many issues
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It never ceases to amaze me that people are actually surprised when Jewish organizations support liberal causes. American Jews are probably 90% leftist. Conservative Jews are the minority in this country. Are people simply unaware of this or is it just too difficult to accept?
So of course the ADL supports gay marriage and every other leftist cause. Why would you expect otherwise.
Sparky you are so right. Friends of the family are all Democrats and I could never understand it because my immediate family are Republicans. We never argue and love these people. They are life long best friends for generations. I don't know how anyone could be a Democrat. I think there is a disconnect in their brain chemistry. Any sensible person would be a Republican. ;D
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[Subject of thread:] Why does ADL support Homo Marriage?
Are you able to try to answer your own question?
And did you forget your question when you wrote the body of your post?
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I am thinking (and of course, I could be wrong :::D) that they are swinging that way because there is more MONEY in it??? With all the people turning liberal nowadays, it almost seems we are the minority....
Perhaps it is all about money, or at least some of it???
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I am thinking (and of course, I could be wrong :::D) that they are swinging that way because there is more MONEY in it??? With all the people turning liberal nowadays, it almost seems we are the minority....
Perhaps it is all about money, or at least some of it???
it's not that they are influenced by liberals... they are the liberals!
they are not religious, and they are supposed to be against discrimination. Their primary goal is not the wellbeing of children..
Even if one were to argue that children from such "marriages" are being discriminated against, you would have to argue how.
Are they being mocked in the classroom..
Are they being stunted emotionally..
If they were being mocked, that's not an inherent problem . The problem is with others.
If they are being stunted emotionally, that would be a strong argument against it. But it's difficult to prove. And even if it was proven.. or a correlation was shown. The loons would rather pay for psychiatrists for the children than discriminate against the parents! But really if it could be shown, that would be a firm argument against them adopting children.
It's a bit like with blacks doing badly , politicians avoiding that issue. (though they may make it worse perhaps.. by giving welfare)
Funnily enough, I suppose the right are also anti discrimination in a similar sense of being willing to make society worse for the sake of not discriminating. e.g. by being pro life, allowing crazy partying drunk girls not ready for motherhood, to become mothers. Or not aborting mentally disabled children.
But at least that's from a reluctance to murder. That's a deeply moral reason. And they would have less crazy partying drink girls anyway.
It's more about being anti murder than being anti "discrimination".
If the ADL, and liberals infact, are so anti discrimination, they should be pro life too! Not discriminating against an unborn child.
discriminating in a big way - murder!
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The ADL is a bunch of liberal dirtbags! >:(
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The ADL is a bunch of liberal dirtbags! >:(
Welcome back
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Are you able to try to answer your own question?
And did you forget your question when you wrote the body of your post?
q_q_,
Obviously you have never heard of the rhetorical question, have you?
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=define%3Arhetorical+question
A question to which no answer is expected
www.thinkport.org/5d8dadfd-d99a-4295-88ce-ca8a39e449ff.asset
A question asked for effect, not in expectation of a reply. No reply is expected because the question presupposes only one possible answer. The lover of Suckling's "Shall I wasting in despair / Die because a lady's fair?" has already decided the answer is no.
www.cliffsnotes.com/WileyCDA/Section/Literary-Terms-Poetry-Glossary.id-305499,articleId-30165.html
A question intended to provoke thought, but not an expressed answer, in the reader. It is most commonly used in oratory and other persuasive genres.
www.novelguide.com/a/discover/nfs_0000_0023_0/nfs_0000_0023_0_00026.
You must be naive or just young... I don't know what is up with you but it seems you have some learning to do...
muman613
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The ADL is a bunch of liberal dirtbags! >:(
Welcome back
Thanks! :) I FINALLY got settled here in NYC. :dance:
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Are you able to try to answer your own question?
And did you forget your question when you wrote the body of your post?
q_q_,
Obviously you have never heard of the rhetorical question, have you?
If somebody opens a thread asking a question, it's normally because they want a response.
Who opens a thread with a rhetorical question?
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Are you able to try to answer your own question?
And did you forget your question when you wrote the body of your post?
q_q_,
Obviously you have never heard of the rhetorical question, have you?
If somebody opens a thread asking a question, it's normally because they want a response.
Who opens a thread with a rhetorical question?
Very interesting q_q_.... But have you thought for a second that your normal may be other peoples abnormal?
I think you are asking a rhetorical question "Who opens a thread with a rhetorical quesion?" because you already know that I have started a thread with a rhetorical question. I am willing to wager that other posters here have topics which contain rhetorical questions.
Is there any particular reason you want to bring this topic up again?
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Why are soo many people protesting over this?
We have to deal with [censored] obama, the same way they have to deal with prop 8.
What are they gonna do? Spit on the people's face and say they're vote doesn't mean anything?
Why fight it deal with it. Majority rules as they say.
It still confuses me though. If Obama is a black racist.. or part of that church with wright he belonged to..
wouldn't he be against homosexual marriage? I notice most black racist are labeled "homophobes"
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Why are soo many people protesting over this?
We have to deal with schvartza obama, the same way they have to deal with prop 8.
What are they gonna do? Spit on the people's face and say they're vote doesn't mean anything?
Why fight it deal with it. Majority rules as they say.
It still confuses me though. If Obama is a black racist.. or part of that church with wright he belonged to..
wouldn't he be against homosexual marriage? I notice most black racist are labeled "homophobes"
My theory about obama is a bit different from JTFs. I don't think he is a muslim. He is a smooth talker, that's almost never a muslim trait, muslims tend to talk in black and white terms. And they pray 5 times a day if they are really serious!! I can't believe that he does that.
He is an intelligent man, we saw that in his interview with O'Reilly.
He was a law professor!
I don't think that he listened to that pastor of his and thought "wow, this guy is really intelligent". He respected certain aspects of him, and he feels kinship with the people there. So much kinship that he accepted the vile things the pastor said.
I think Obama is an eclectic individual. And he wants to stay in touch with his roots. He is well aware of his success relative to the people he was brought up with. And he wants to stay grounded. So he went to that "church".
There is no way he believes in the quran, the bible, or even G-d. But like a true liberal, he'd say that certain parts strike a chord with him.
His eclectic behaviour though has been limited to communism and black radicalism and (because of childhood upbringing - islam).
His associations have all been along those lines. And hat is worrying.
I don't think he is a muslim, but he certainly has strong sympathies with them, given his upbringing, and his liberalism, and black links.. His black "church" bookstore had lots of books on islam. These all influenced him, but I think -inside- he keeps his distance from firm ideologies. He observes things as an outsider.. And that's another very annoying aspect of liberals. Their universalism means that they don't see themselves as american citizens except in a technical sense, but as citizens of the world. Out of self hatred they don't understand how great america is. They are not proud to be american.
He is at least very sympathetic and comfortable with that anti-american feeling - look at who he married.
You really can't look at Obama, and think he is going to be a sheep following that pastor. He is an intellectual. His rhetoric was to win people over, particularly blacks and guilty whites. He knew it was just rhetoric. He was able to converse with O'Reilly.
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Great analysis q_q. I think the same. :)
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Great analysis q_q. I think the same. :)
well, if great minds think alike, then i'm honoured
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ADL may think that it's a good business to weaken religous Gentile rightists by promoting those things. After all, rightist were the main support to anti-Semitism during the Holocaust. When I was a teen I also thoght like them. But it's not the way of the Torah. And besides, liberals have become a new threat now.
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I know why, and it is SICK. They can CLOSE down churches in USA. Because any REAL pastor will NEVER marry a homo couple, so, they ARE doing this to CLOSE DOWN churches in USA. This is TERRIBLE, I was telling this other forum member, that WE HAVE TO HELP Christians, we HAVE TO.
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The ADL is a joke, they have done so much harm to the Jewish people as a whole that it's not even funny, it's a double edged sword. They remind me of the black rights movements that complain about slavery, then they try to push their liberal leftist agenda down peoples throats.
I'm not trying to demean what has happened to Jews, but the ADL does it the wrong way. Abe Foxman and his chronies are using the "guilt syndrome" and using the "holocaust" to push their own political views and gain sympathizers.
The ADL has supported homosexual marriage just like they supported Barak Obama and they supported taking away Americas right to have guns. The group has no place in America and shouldn't be taken serious.
I prefer the Jewish Virtual Library anyways.
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q-q and Pheasant- Obama is SATANIC, evil, and ANTI- SEMITIC. Look on Lisas blog how his Foriegn advisor Samantha Powers WANTS to INVADE Israel- you all do NOT know what has happened here, the markets started crashing BECAUSE of HUSSEIN obama, he IS a muZlim, he admitted it, he ALSO STILL HAS NO BIRTH CERT.
He is a DISASTER to USA to Israel and to ANYTHING that is FREE. We are telling you the TRUTH, and this is our nation, the man is a SICKO.
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q-q and Pheasant- Obama is SATANIC, evil, and ANTI- SEMITIC. Look on Lisas blog how his Foriegn advisor Samantha Powers WANTS to INVADE Israel- you all do NOT know what has happened here, the markets started crashing BECAUSE of HUSSEIN obama, he IS a muZlim, he admitted it, he ALSO STILL HAS NO BIRTH CERT.
He is a DISASTER to USA to Israel and to ANYTHING that is FREE. We are telling you the TRUTH, and this is our nation, the man is a SICKO.
I say in the videos that he is a Muslim because his father was a Muslim and that makes him a Muslim, unless he stands up and completely repudiates it. We all know he's sympathetic to Muslims and Islam, and said he would stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction for them.
I do think that perhaps QQ and Pheasant are correct about his actual belief in Islam though. I can't see someone as arrogant as Obama prostating himself five times a day. He may be more of a secularist with sympathies toward Islam, and a Muslim by birth.
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q-q and Pheasant- Obama is SATANIC, evil, and ANTI- SEMITIC. Look on Lisas blog how his Foriegn advisor Samantha Powers WANTS to INVADE Israel- you all do NOT know what has happened here, the markets started crashing BECAUSE of HUSSEIN obama, he IS a muZlim, he admitted it, he ALSO STILL HAS NO BIRTH CERT.
He is a DISASTER to USA to Israel and to ANYTHING that is FREE. We are telling you the TRUTH, and this is our nation, the man is a SICKO.
Yes you are right, he is satanic, evil and anti-semitic.
But he is no practicing Muslim. He has strong symphaties for them but his perspective is, like q_q said, those of an outsider who watches things from a distant point of view.
Basically Husseins relation to Islam is like mine to Judaism. We are both attrackted to it, but we know we will never be a part of it ... :::D
Or do you think Obama will hit Michelle, put his children in a Burka, will pray five times the day and in addition to that he will only eat halal food and will stop drinking alcohol?
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q-q and Pheasant- Obama is SATANIC, evil, and ANTI- SEMITIC. Look on Lisas blog how his Foriegn advisor Samantha Powers WANTS to INVADE Israel- you all do NOT know what has happened here, the markets started crashing BECAUSE of HUSSEIN obama, he IS a muZlim, he admitted it, he ALSO STILL HAS NO BIRTH CERT.
He is a DISASTER to USA to Israel and to ANYTHING that is FREE. We are telling you the TRUTH, and this is our nation, the man is a SICKO.
I say in the videos that he is a Muslim because his father was a Muslim and that makes him a Muslim, unless he stands up and completely repudiates it. We all know he's sympathetic to Muslims and Islam, and said he would stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction for them.
I do think that perhaps QQ and Pheasant are correct about his actual belief in Islam though. I can't see someone as arrogant as Obama prostating himself five times a day. He may be more of a secularist with sympathies toward Islam, and a Muslim by birth.
I am sorry folks, but NO Christian OR Jew has a name of BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA, UNLESS they ARE a moZlem. Also, there is NO Christian OR Jew that I know, that has EVER 'slipped' up and said: "It is true that John McCain has not mentioned my MUSLIM faith" But HUSSEIN obama DID, it is also in his majesty's best wishes that b4 he does ANYTHING, he wants to visit an ISLAMIC nation.
Sorry- I WHOLEHEARTEDLY disagree.
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ALSO- tell me WHY he CAMPAIGNED with his COUSIN FOR Sharia LAW in KENYA, IF he is a "Christian" NO FOLKS, NO.
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That was a very interesting slip. I think he may be a Muslim, just not a really strict follower of it.
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That was a very interesting slip. I think he may be a Muslim, just not a really strict follower of it.
I kind of agree because he has been seen eating pork and drinking alcohol 2 things muslims do not do
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ALSO- tell me WHY he CAMPAIGNED with his COUSIN FOR Sharia LAW in KENYA, IF he is a "Christian" NO FOLKS, NO.
Yes, he supported his cousin in Kenia.
But I see it nearly daily in Europe, that leftists support quranimals.
Like I said before, he loves Islam and feels sympathy for it, but he is no Muslim, but a typical leftist. All speeches of him I heard have a very anti-religious subtune.
Imo he didn't believe in god. I would call it a partially culturally Muslim, if at all.
This doesn't mean, that he is less dangerous.
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ALSO- tell me WHY he CAMPAIGNED with his COUSIN FOR Sharia LAW in KENYA, IF he is a "Christian" NO FOLKS, NO.
Yes, he supported his cousin in Kenia.
But I see it nearly daily in Europe, that leftists support quranimals.
Like I said before, he loves Islam and feels sympathy for it, but he is no Muslim, but a typical leftist. All speeches of him I heard have a very anti-religious subtune.
Imo he didn't believe in G-d. I would call it a partially culturally Muslim, if at all.
This doesn't mean, that he is less dangerous.
He believes in Tribalism, He thinks he ought to support his evil clan in Kenya, and he has to help the Black Americans stick it to the White man.
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Yes, he is very loyal to his family on his fathers side.
If my father had done such things like his father had done, I would speak a prayer for the dead and would erase him out of my memory.
Obama is a case for the psychater.
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I am sorry folks, but NO Christian OR Jew has a name of BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA, UNLESS they ARE a moZlem. Also, there is NO Christian OR Jew that I know, that has EVER 'slipped' up and said: "It is true that John McCain has not mentioned my MUSLIM faith" But HUSSEIN obama DID, it is also in his majesty's best wishes that b4 he does ANYTHING, he wants to visit an ISLAMIC nation.
Sorry- I WHOLEHEARTEDLY disagree.
I guarantee that since he went to that "church", he could comfortably talk about "his christian faith" too. And i'm sure he'd think he means it(in his way, he does).
Liberals do that. Lots of liberal jews talk about "their jewish faith".
It does mean that he identifies with certain themes he sees in islam.. His "church" bookstore had lots of islammic books.
Regarding his name. There is an issue there. It wouldn't be such a big deal if he just had the name he was given by birth. But it is significant that as a kid, other kids knew him as Barry, but he decided to this day, to be called Barack instead of Barry. It is a name from arab/islammic culture. It does show sympathies and identification.
Generally speaking, somebody in america, and his name is barack, you'd think he was a muslim. But if you look at the whole picture, it is not the case. Not many muslims would go to a church. Even a "church". And he didn't do it out of core religious beliefs. Now he has left it he doesn't attend anywhere.
Somebody as intelligent as him , If he believed his religion properly, he wouldn't have chosen a house of worship where the pastor was just a political hound. He would be reading the core text of the religion and studying it. Infact, if he was serious he wouldn't go near that place!
It's not just that he is not practicing, he doesn't have the core beliefs..
an atheist, daniel dennet, said something interesting,
There's belief in G-d, and there's
believing in belief in G-d.
I realised that alot of liberals , most even, have the latter but not the former. Obama is one of them. I'm sure he likes the idea of lifting people up(listen to him speak!), and he knows that religion can do that. I'm sure the relationship between the pastor and the congregation interested him, as well as sympathy with what the pastor stood for. I bet alot of US senators are like that.. They don't believe in G-d, but they believe in believing in G-d.
Rabbi Jacob Schochet pointed out in a debate, that it's well known that if you believe in something, (be it yourself, or somebody that believes in you, or anything), then it can "fix you up". So Obama saw that believing in G-d lifts people up.. so he believes in that. Most liberals are like that.. They just wouldn't admit that they don't believe in G-d.
note- I don't expect people to look into him, but a warning about daniel dennett , when he talks to the public he appears very fair.. very honest, very unbias. I saw a clip of him talking at a conference of atheists. There he really "came out" , he said he's a member of a group called "the smarts", the name is no coincidence, they're smart and religious people are dumb , e.t.c.
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Daniel Dennet is relatively smart, I suppose, but not honest. If you pay attention to what he says, you can see that he has alterior motives than genuine inquiry. Watch his debate with Denesh D'Souza on youtube for many exmples of this.
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Daniel Dennet is relatively smart, I suppose, but not honest. If you pay attention to what he says, you can see that he has alterior motives than genuine inquiry. Watch his debate with Denesh D'Souza on youtube for many exmples of this.
Dennett is well known as a brilliant philosopher.. I even heard a very good rabbi with a philosophy background say that he thought he was honest. And he does appear honest, much of his work is. But the speech he gave at the atheist conference revealed a bit more about his views, things he wouldn't have wanted said to a regular audience.
can you give an example here of what he said in the denesh debate there that was not honest..
I think I saw the debate with him and that denesh guy..
I recall denesh brought things up ,and dennett said this is the area of whatever physics and to have a proper discussion we would need an expert. Denesh didn't take him up on that, and dennett didn't push him to. You could look at that and say that dennett was being more honest.
I would like to know what you thought regarding that debate that made you think dennett was dishonest.
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Daniel Dennet is relatively smart, I suppose, but not honest. If you pay attention to what he says, you can see that he has alterior motives than genuine inquiry. Watch his debate with Denesh D'Souza on youtube for many exmples of this.
Dennett is well known as a brilliant philosopher.. I even heard a very good rabbi with a philosophy background say that he thought he was honest. And he does appear honest, much of his work is. But the speech he gave at the atheist conference revealed a bit more about his views, things he wouldn't have wanted said to a regular audience.
can you give an example here of what he said in the denesh debate there that was not honest..
I think I saw the debate with him and that denesh guy..
I recall denesh brought things up ,and dennett said this is the area of whatever physics and to have a proper discussion we would need an expert. Denesh didn't take him up on that, and dennett didn't push him to. You could look at that and say that dennett was being more honest.
I would like to know what you thought regarding that debate that made you think dennett was dishonest.
Well as I recall, there were several examples during this debate of Dennet's dishonesty, but two examples come immediately to mind. First, was his characterizations of D'Souza's beliefs. This is a very common tactic in discourse among atheists. They set up a straw man by characterizing their opponents as daft and then dispute those ideas, when in fact, D'Souza's Christian faith is far more deep and complicated than Dennet makes it out to be. This is dishonest. The second example that I remember is Dennet's call to have a curicular ammendment in public education. Dennet asks for a course for primary grade children that looks at religion from an anthropological perspective. While I think that religion does have anthropological roots that are worthy of study, I think you will find that Dennet's motives are to discredit religion. It is clear to me that Dennet wants to position religion as some kind of anthropological failure, a type of group self-destructive behaviour. That he would want to cast religion in this light is indicative of his desire to systematize atheism. The atheists are a proselytizing lot. Dishonesty is a tool of their trade.
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Daniel Dennet is relatively smart, I suppose, but not honest. If you pay attention to what he says, you can see that he has alterior motives than genuine inquiry. Watch his debate with Denesh D'Souza on youtube for many exmples of this.
Dennett is well known as a brilliant philosopher.. I even heard a very good rabbi with a philosophy background say that he thought he was honest. And he does appear honest, much of his work is. But the speech he gave at the atheist conference revealed a bit more about his views, things he wouldn't have wanted said to a regular audience.
can you give an example here of what he said in the denesh debate there that was not honest..
I think I saw the debate with him and that denesh guy..
I recall denesh brought things up ,and dennett said this is the area of whatever physics and to have a proper discussion we would need an expert. Denesh didn't take him up on that, and dennett didn't push him to. You could look at that and say that dennett was being more honest.
I would like to know what you thought regarding that debate that made you think dennett was dishonest.
Well as I recall, there were several examples during this debate of Dennet's dishonesty, but two examples come immediately to mind. First, was his characterizations of D'Souza's beliefs. This is a very common tactic in discourse among atheists. They set up a straw man by characterizing their opponents as daft and then dispute those ideas, when in fact, D'Souza's Christian faith is far more deep and complicated than Dennet makes it out to be. This is dishonest. The second example that I remember is Dennet's call to have a curicular ammendment in public education. Dennet asks for a course for primary grade children that looks at religion from an anthropological perspective. While I think that religion does have anthropological roots that are worthy of study, I think you will find that Dennet's motives are to discredit religion. It is clear to me that Dennet wants to position religion as some kind of anthropological failure, a type of group self-destructive behaviour. That he would want to cast religion in this light is indicative of his desire to systematize atheism. The atheists are a proselytizing lot. Dishonesty is a tool of their trade.
I don't know about denesh's beliefs.
Regarding Daniel Dennett , I agree that he does have an agenda to wipe out religion belief.. What he pushes (and he pretends this is honest and innocent), is that all school children should be taught about various world religions from a purely factual basis, what they believe.
(he never said anything about anthropological.. He himself is trying to find explanations for how religions develop.. He has some wrong theories that religions start off wild and people change them to make them domesticated, but this is not what is proposing to be taught as a mandatory education to kids)
So, he would want , say, islam taught about, as a muslim would understand it. And Chrsitianity as a religious christian would understand it, e.t.c. purely unbias, objective thing. And he thinks it's unethical to just teach a child one and block out others. He thinks that just as reading writing and arithmetic are mandatory, so this should be too.
the reality is that if that were done , it would give kids lots of "leeway" if they want to be rebellious.. it could cause them doubts(could be due to weakness by which their religion is presented), and that could lessen the seriousness by which they study their own religion. (that's bad if their religion is the truth)
If a kid gets bored studying his one, he might want to learn about another one. This is a problem when the kid has no good reason and the parent believes one religion to be true and another false.
If one believes that a religion is true, then they wouldn't want to be forced to teach their kids about others. If one doesn't then they wouldn't want to be forced to teach their kids about any.
Daniel Dennett wants to teach this, not for his kids.. not for atheist kids. But for all the religious kids.
The fact of a religious person teaching about another religion, can suggest that it is important. this gives a false picture to the child of the importance of other religions, and it will lessen his own. A truly religious person sees it pointless to learn about other religions (unless there is a very good reason, like countering it. And certainly tobe forced to is very bad).. Reading writing and arithmetic are essentials. basic cooking skills are a better candidate for mandatory education than religions.
he thinks religions are false and he wants to rubbish them, that's why it's important to him to teach all of them to kids. To cause strife/problems.
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he chosed his "church" only after he started his politiall career, becouse Americans woud not elect open atheist or muslim. And don't forget that high rank muslims like saudi princess, or top Iranian mullahs do drink alcohol and use other "sinfull" western inventions becouse Sharia law is only instrument of keeping low ranks muslim masses and women under "islam" - submission. Mahomet (piss be on him) was living a life contrary to his own commandments and despite or maybe thanks to this is a role model for every muslim. Stop treeting islam as religion it's totalitarian ideology and people fighting for this couse like BHO are allowed by Koran to use taqiya and kitman to further it's agenda.
Why he chosed Islamic name when Christain Arabs use Christian ones? His both fathers were muslim so he's muslim acording to sharia so why all those islamic groups like CAIR or HAMAS support him instead of caling for his death as apostate? They don't regard his "baptism" in Farakhan loving church was valid and so do I.
Ortodox Jews (and Israeli imigration authorities) do regard converts to reform Judaism as goyim and this is what keeps Israel on surface against the wave of turd world "rice Jews".
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Leftists sometimes support Muslims rights to live their life as they want, eating Halal, especial services for them, which is not wrong itself. If they live in Europe, certainly, they must have the means to live according to their beliefs as far as they don't force anybody to follow them (not even their relatives, since they cannot supercede freedom laws). The problem with them is that most support violence in one way or another, and perhaps they should never be allowed into Europe.
But supporting Sharia Law enforcement goes beyond of supporting individual freedom, it's just the opposite, it's supporting their "right" to impose Islam on others. That is not Leftism, but ISLAMIC EXTREMISM, and if done by an American citizen, it's high treason. American tradition is supporting religious freedom and separation between religion and civil law. Is he American or a Muslim anti-American?
Someone said that he is not a Muslim, just because he doesn't pray five times a day, and her daughters don't wear burqas... well, perhaps he is not a practising Muslim, and even don't believe in Islam, but he stills supports Muslims to behead any "infidel". It would be silly, since they would also behead him, if he's not practising, but anyway it's dangerous!!!
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The ADL is gay. They should call it the ADLGBT (Alliance of the Degenerate Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Transgendered).