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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Dr. Dan on November 03, 2008, 08:24:16 AM
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There was a question on askJTF about this. I would recommend seeing a dermatologist. Most times, medications such as Tetracycline or even Doxycycline (which is better) can be used to control it.
The antibiotic dose is a low dose amount. The purpose of it is to slightly suppress the immune reaction that causes the acne..not kill the bacteria which would require a higher dosage.
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I know this isn't relevant to men but this is important for women to remember. A lot of anti-acne medications like tetracycline and Accutane can cause birth defects, so please try to be careful about that.
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You are right, Rubystars.
My sister -in - law was using topical accutane while she was pregnant. :crazy:
When her OB MDs found out she was using it they freaked out...they were afraid that it had caused birth defects. Thank God - her son is perfectly perfect.
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What about simple bleach that you use for laundry?
What if you soak a towel in bleach and apply it to your face?
That will kill everything, right?
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I don't think it would be advisable to apply undiluted bleach to one's skin.
Maybe there are some treatments that contain a bleach in them...I don't really know.
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if you are advised on, or taking . or researching on , a medication, always google it, and its components.
So you know its issues. So you know what people on it or researching it are saying about it. e.g. if people say something is better than -it-, if -it- causes something bad, any issues.
Don't just google for medication.
Do that with food/drink from health food stores too. Mostly it will give you the benefit of knowing why it is healthy, but sometimes you might find out that some food/drink from the health food store is unhealthy!
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First and foremost, those with acen problems and want to take care of it should see a dermatologist. It's true that young women of child bearing years need to be careful of tetracycline and doxycycline. However, the anti-biotics are not given to kill bacteria. They are given in subantimicrobial doses meaning it will not affect bacterial flora, but will affect how the immune response is to the skin. The reason for the acne isn't bacteria. It's in-grown hairs and an immune reaction to it resulting in pimples and what not. The sub-antimicrobial dose of these medications only regulate the immune reaction of the creation of the pimples...that's my understanding of the subject.
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You are right, Rubystars.
My sister -in - law was using topical accutane while she was pregnant. :crazy:
When her OB MDs found out she was using it they freaked out...they were afraid that it had caused birth defects. Thank G-d - her son is perfectly perfect.
Thank God!
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You are right, Rubystars.
My sister -in - law was using topical accutane while she was pregnant. :crazy:
When her OB MDs found out she was using it they freaked out...they were afraid that it had caused birth defects. Thank G-d - her son is perfectly perfect.
Thank G-d!
Accutane is some serious business...not a big fan of it for the reason that it can cause birth defects..However it is a pretty potent anti-acne medication.
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I don't think teen acne is such a big deal. Many teens have it.
I'd worry a bit about being permanently scarred from it
http://acne.about.com/od/acnefaqs/f/acnescarcauses.htm
you shouldn't pick them
and if you had really serious big acne spots , a real outbreak, then see a dermatologist(or rather, a GP and he may transfer you to a dermatologist), and you'd get medication.
I certainly wouldn't be keen on taking anything oral .. unless perhaps the acne was really big and there was danger of scarring.
Acne can occur anywhere or almost anywhere on the body and can also be caused by not washing! And in these cases it is cleared by washing daily for a few weeks.
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I use bleach to clean my feet. It takes care of my itch problem.
I've tried all kinds of meds that has to stay on all day to work.
I soak my feet in bleach and the itch is gone. Cheap and effective.
The only question I have is safety. I wonder if I'm slowly oxidizing my skin.
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WebMD is one the better websites for getting medical information. That said, best go to your family physician or dermatologist regarding this issue. But I certainly wouldn't get medical advice from an internet forum like this. Bleach?! :o
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WebMD is one the better websites for getting medical information. That said, best go to your family physician or dermatologist regarding this issue. I certainly wouldn't get medical advice from an internet forum like this. Bleach?! :o
I gave WebMD a try once, just feeding it symptoms to see if it worked. It didn't get it right. Googling symptoms got better results.
You find good articles on various problems..and you can see if you match that.
Certainly if something is mentioned on a forum, then make a note of it and it's worth looking into it. Or if somebody on a forum mentions an issue with something, then make a note of that. Obviously you have to know how to judge things. You have to be able to reason..
The person that mentioned bleech didn't advise bleech!
Don't suggest that he was.
If you have itchy feet, again, look for direct solutions. A GP may be able to do a test as well as giving advice.
Bleech is the last thing to think of! I've never used it and don't know anybody that has. I've haven't had itchy feet either. I guess if you've been using it for a year with no serious problems then don't completely discount it. But still it should be a last resort. It would damage the skin in some way. Feet can be sensitive. You should even be careful to keep feet warm and dry. You may have tough feet! One thing the body really doesn't like is constant abuse.. So try other things. Other tried and tested things!
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WebMD is one the better websites for getting medical information. That said, best go to your family physician or dermatologist regarding this issue. I certainly wouldn't get medical advice from an internet forum like this. Bleach?! :o
I gave WebMD a try once, just feeding it symptoms to see if it worked. It didn't get it right. Googling symptoms got better results.
You have to be really careful what site you chose to get your medical advice. There's a lot of garbage out there. WebMD and MayoClinic are fairly good for the lay person. The best site is emedicine.com, but it's geared toward the medical professional (though they do have lay version which is from WebMD). My point is it's really important to make sure that the source you're using is legitimate.
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Something I can't understand. Thalidomide was banned as a scourge to mankind after it was discovered to produce malformations to foetuses. However, Roaccutaine, some 15 years or so after it was discovered to do exactly the same, remains on the shelves.
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WebMD is one the better websites for getting medical information. That said, best go to your family physician or dermatologist regarding this issue. I certainly wouldn't get medical advice from an internet forum like this. Bleach?! :o
I gave WebMD a try once, just feeding it symptoms to see if it worked. It didn't get it right. Googling symptoms got better results.
You have to be really careful what site you chose to get your medical advice. There's a lot of garbage out there. WebMD and MayoClinic are fairly good for the lay person. The best site is emedicine.com, but it's geared toward the medical professional (though they do have lay version which is from WebMD). My point is it's really important to make sure that the source you're using is legitimate.
fundamentally, the thing is to check that the information is good.
You -can- get good information from anywhere. You can use your intelligence and research it to see if it's good information.
Obviously an authoritative medical site is more idiot proof.
But don't tell people to run away from anything other than those.
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My experience with some dermatologists is that they like to push accutane on people. They must be getting some nice kickbacks from the drug company.
One time I went to a dermatologist, and told the doctor flat out that I didn't want accutane (and believe me, I don't have bad skin). But the doctor insisted that I let the nurse give me the whole accutane sales spiel.
Women are supposed to start taking it only at certain times of the month. And you have to sign a form saying that you'll immediately get an abortion if you become pregnant while taking the drug.
On the other hand, there are some people that really need it since oral antibiotics and topical medications don't work. I've known women that had oozing postules all over their faces that I thought should have been taking it.
However, accutane doesn't even help everyone. I've read cases of people being helped by it, only to have their acne return once they stopped taking the drug.
There are also warnings that accutane could cause an increase in suicidal tendencies.
On another note, there are some pretty decent over the counter acne kits you can buy at drugstores like CVS and Duane Reade. These are generally the equivalent of Proactiv, which is advertised on infomercials.
About Proactiv, the chi chi Manhattan dermatologist to the stars, Dr. Patricia Wexler said it worked for her daughter when nothing else did.
Anyway, Duane Reade has good anti-acne kit for $10.00. It consists of a benzoyl peroxide cleanser of 2.5%, a toner containing glycolic acid, and a benzoyl peroxide acne lotion of 2.5%. There are also acne kits that contain salicylic acid as the main ingredient. Try them and see what works for you.
In the health food stores, you can also find sulfur soaps, which are great if you are sensitive to benzoyl peroxide.
Finally, if you do pick a blemish, clean the area and apply some anti-biotic ointment like Neosporin, bacitracin or Polysporin.
Hope this helps.
Lisa
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One time I went to a dermatologist, and told the doctor flat out that I didn't want accutane (and believe me, I don't have bad skin). But the doctor insisted that I let the nurse give me the whole accutane sales spiel.
Women are supposed to start taking it only at certain times of the month. And you have to sign a form saying that you'll immediately get an abortion if you become pregnant while taking the drug.
That's horrible! That's one of the things I can see being used to coerce a woman. The doctor could say "You already agreed to it right here", etc.
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Finally, if you do pick a blemish, clean the area and apply some anti-biotic ointment like Neosporin, bacitracin or Polysporin.
Hope this helps.
Lisa
Home remedy from a Persian mom: Lemon or lime all over the skin...also egg yolk.
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Finally, if you do pick a blemish, clean the area and apply some anti-biotic ointment like Neosporin, bacitracin or Polysporin.
Hope this helps.
Lisa
Home remedy from a Persian mom: Lemon or lime all over the skin...also egg yolk.
Does it work?
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angryChineseKahanist, when you say bleach I'm assuming you mean hydrogen peroxide and not sodium hypochlorite. If you're putting clothes bleach on your feet (the second one) that probably is too strong, unless it's really diluted.
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WebMD is one the better websites for getting medical information. That said, best go to your family physician or dermatologist regarding this issue. I certainly wouldn't get medical advice from an internet forum like this. Bleach?! :o
I gave WebMD a try once, just feeding it symptoms to see if it worked. It didn't get it right. Googling symptoms got better results.
You have to be really careful what site you chose to get your medical advice. There's a lot of garbage out there. WebMD and MayoClinic are fairly good for the lay person. The best site is emedicine.com, but it's geared toward the medical professional (though they do have lay version which is from WebMD). My point is it's really important to make sure that the source you're using is legitimate.
fundamentally, the thing is to check that the information is good.
You -can- get good information from anywhere. You can use your intelligence and research it to see if it's good information.
Obviously an authoritative medical site is more idiot proof.
But don't tell people to run away from anything other than those.
Did my post in any way tell people to run away from anything other than those? I'll check back for your answer.
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WebMD is one the better websites for getting medical information. That said, best go to your family physician or dermatologist regarding this issue. I certainly wouldn't get medical advice from an internet forum like this. Bleach?! :o
I gave WebMD a try once, just feeding it symptoms to see if it worked. It didn't get it right. Googling symptoms got better results.
You have to be really careful what site you chose to get your medical advice. There's a lot of garbage out there. WebMD and MayoClinic are fairly good for the lay person. The best site is emedicine.com, but it's geared toward the medical professional (though they do have lay version which is from WebMD). My point is it's really important to make sure that the source you're using is legitimate.
fundamentally, the thing is to check that the information is good.
You -can- get good information from anywhere. You can use your intelligence and research it to see if it's good information.
Obviously an authoritative medical site is more idiot proof.
But don't tell people to run away from anything other than those.
Did my post in any way tell people to run away from anything other than those? I'll check back for your answer.
After saying not to get medical advice from a forum like this,
you explained yourself saying.
"My point is it's really important to make sure that the source you're using is legitimate."
So yes, you're saying to run away from anything other than "legitimate" sites.
I am saying that an internet forum is not a good source for a complete idiot that doesn't know how to weigh or check the information he receives, but can have useful information. And there is lots of information on the internet other than a handful of general websites you can list.
An intelligent person can research advice, wherever it comes from. Even if it comes from the barber. And if you find it on the internet, it's easy enough to research it on the internet.
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There was a question on askJTF about this. I would recommend seeing a dermatologist. Most times, medications such as Tetracycline or even Doxycycline (which is better) can be used to control it.
The antibiotic dose is a low dose amount. The purpose of it is to slightly suppress the immune reaction that causes the acne..not kill the bacteria which would require a higher dosage.
Tetracycline was prescribed for me back in the day ...
I think it worked ...
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Tetracycline can often erode the enamel on your teeth, thus making them yellow-ish. It happened to an old friend of mine.
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Shalom,
It may only be a coincidence, but I don't believe in coincidence. I was perusing Rabbi Lazer Brodys site and it seems that he has dealt with this question.
http://lazerbrody.typepad.com/lazer_beams/2007/12/natural-spiritu.html
Natural & Spiritual Remedy for Acne
Several of our readers have asked me for a natural & spiritual remedy for acne. Here it is:
First of all, be very careful not to say a bad word about anyone - no matter what - even about those that hurt you, G-d forbid.
Second, don't eat any fried foods. Don't eat any milk products that contain more than 5% fat.
Third, eat only whole grains and brown cane sugar - no white flour or white sugar.
Fourth, stay far away from junk foods and processed foods, especially smoked and preserved meats. No more pizzas!
Fifth, discontinue the creams and pills, and all other medications. Don't squeeze pimples, because that only increases inflammation and infection.
Sixth, eat lots of lettuce leaves and sunflower seeds. Vitamin E is good for the skin.
Seventh, wash your face with a gentle baby liquid soap. Keep your hands and your hair off your face.
Eighth, water washes away impurity from the body. Drink plenty of water, but no softdrinks and certainly no alcohol.
Ninth, Vitamin A shortage triggers acne. Snack on fresh carrot sticks or drink fresh carrot juice.
Tenth, ask Hashem to heal your skin, but thank Him for the problem because everything He does is for the very best!
With Hashem's help, your skin will clear up fast, G-d willing.
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Another over the counter remedy is tea tree oil. Look for it in a cleanser or gel.
Cutting out junk food is always helpful, no matter what.
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Tetracycline can often erode the enamel on your teeth, thus making them yellow-ish. It happened to an old friend of mine.
actually no..that's incorrect. A pregnant woman or a child who is developing his adult teeth and is taking tetracycline will have tetracycline staining on their teeth...If one has all of his adult teeth, tetracycline can't do anything with the coloring of one's teeth.
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I fill a bathtub with about three inches of hot water and add perhaps a cup or two of this stuff:
(http://www.clorox.com/img/product_shots/marquee/clb.jpg)
Works great. I'm just not sure of future consequences.
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I fill a bathtub with about three inches of hot water and add perhaps a cup or two of this stuff:
(http://www.clorox.com/img/product_shots/marquee/clb.jpg)
Works great. I'm just not sure of future consequences.
You take a bath with bleach?
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Toothpaste! Apply before bedtime, leave it on overnight.. do it a few times.
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Toothpaste! Apply before bedtime, leave it on overnight.. do it a few times.
That dries the skin
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Eat carrots for beta-carotene (Vitamin A) - Vitamin A strengthens the protective tissue of the skin and actually prevents acne. It helps reduce sebum production. This vitamin is essential for the maintenance and repair of the tissue which the skin and mucous membranes are made of. Vitamin A is also a powerful antioxidant needed to rid your body of toxins.
Did you know that a deficiency in vitamin A can actually cause acne?
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Wash twice a day with acne soap - You should wash your face twice a day with a sulfur based soap designed for acne. Once when you first wake up in the morning and then, right before you go to bed at night. Be extremely gentle to your skin when washing - do not scrub or use any sort of rough cloth. Overwashing your skin will actually stimulate your sebaceous glands to produce more sebum, thus increasing your acne.
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Eat foods rich in zinc - Zinc is an antibacterial agent and a necessary element in the oil-producing glands of the skin. A diet low in zinc can actually cause acne breakouts.
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Take a potent multi-vitamin - Acne can be a sign that something is wrong on the inside. Your skin depends on nutrition. It is a vital organ that is usually neglected. If your body is not receiving the right nutrition, it will fight back. One common way it will rebel is to produce excessive sebum, clogging pores, and reducing the ability for your skin to heal and fight bacteria.
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You can put bleach into a bath.
You put chlorine bleach into pools.
The key is not putting too much.
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Doxycycline is the best to get rid of acne on face and body.
It did wonders for me.
Just get it prescribed from a derm.
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I fill a bathtub with about three inches of hot water and add perhaps a cup or two of this stuff:
(http://www.clorox.com/img/product_shots/marquee/clb.jpg)
Works great. I'm just not sure of future consequences.
You take a bath with bleach?
Just my feet.
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http://www.mothernature.com/library/bookshelf/books/47/7.cfm
OK, so I don't have athletes foot.
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http://www.mothernature.com/library/bookshelf/books/47/7.cfm
OK, so I don't have athletes foot.
lol
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http://www.mothernature.com/library/bookshelf/books/47/7.cfm
OK, so I don't have athletes foot.
What is just stinks?
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http://www.mothernature.com/library/bookshelf/books/47/7.cfm
OK, so I don't have athletes foot.
What is just stinks?
:::D
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Eat carrots for beta-carotene (Vitamin A) - Vitamin A strengthens the protective tissue of the skin and actually prevents acne. It helps reduce sebum production. This vitamin is essential for the maintenance and repair of the tissue which the skin and mucous membranes are made of. Vitamin A is also a powerful antioxidant needed to rid your body of toxins.
Did you know that a deficiency in vitamin A can actually cause acne?
It is true and there is a n effective topical cream with retinol/Vitamin-A for acne. I was prescribed this cream once. It did also irritated my skin and dried it.
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Eat carrots for beta-carotene (Vitamin A) - Vitamin A strengthens the protective tissue of the skin and actually prevents acne. It helps reduce sebum production. This vitamin is essential for the maintenance and repair of the tissue which the skin and mucous membranes are made of. Vitamin A is also a powerful antioxidant needed to rid your body of toxins.
Did you know that a deficiency in vitamin A can actually cause acne?
It is true and there is a n effective topical cream with retinol/Vitamin-A for acne. I was prescribed this cream once. It did also irritated my skin and dried it.
WHen I was a teenager, I also used what's called "Retin-A". basically the same thing you are describing. It dries the skin (thereby removing the oils) prevent more acne. This is good for short term use, but it depends on the person and the dermatologist and the nature of the acne.
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So yes, you're saying to run away from anything other than "legitimate" sites.
I am saying that an internet forum is not a good source for a complete idiot that doesn't know how to weigh or check the information he receives, but can have useful information. And there is lots of information on the internet other than a handful of general websites you can list.
Well, if this forum thread doesn't prove me right and you wrong, I don't know what will. Bleach, toothpaste, egg yolks, limes, multivitamins??!! :::D
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So yes, you're saying to run away from anything other than "legitimate" sites.
I am saying that an internet forum is not a good source for a complete idiot that doesn't know how to weigh or check the information he receives, but can have useful information. And there is lots of information on the internet other than a handful of general websites you can list.
Well, if this forum thread doesn't prove me right and you wrong, I don't know what will. Bleach, toothpaste, egg yolks, limes, multivitamins??!! :::D
And by storing your post, it has a "criticism" of using "Bleach, toothpaste, egg yolks, limes, multivitamins"
Of course, nobody here -recommended- bleach.
One person asked about it and nobody has said he was right. Quite the opposite.
Vitamin A has been mentioned. If you google about Vitamin A and Acne, you find that it is very beneficial.
If you read what I said again, even just the part you quoted there, you will see that I am right. You are "proven wrong", not like it needed any proof. Just simple logic. Obviously your handful of websites is going to be missing masses of information, it's merely more idiot proof. But an intelligent person can benefit from information wherever it is from. He can research it. As I said. It's very easy to do so on the internet.
I do hope that angrychinesekahanist can find an alternative treatment..
Maybe it's a fungus or something treatable causing the foot to itch. See a GP. see what tests can be done. They may refer you to a specialist. But be careful about such people.. Alot of specialists are just trying to make the foot look nice because they get alot of women clients. So don't just let them try some treatment for no reason. Ask them precisely what the treatment can achieve. Permanent or temporary solution.. what its purpose is. e.t.c. Don't expect them to be logical. Use your own logic, don't rely on theirs. But benefit from their knowledge.
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Toothpaste! Apply before bedtime, leave it on overnight.. do it a few times.
That dries the skin
That's the whole point, you will remove the oils that cause the acne..
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So yes, you're saying to run away from anything other than "legitimate" sites.
I am saying that an internet forum is not a good source for a complete idiot that doesn't know how to weigh or check the information he receives, but can have useful information. And there is lots of information on the internet other than a handful of general websites you can list.
Well, if this forum thread doesn't prove me right and you wrong, I don't know what will. Bleach, toothpaste, egg yolks, limes, multivitamins??!! :::D
Of course, nobody here -recommended- bleach.
One person asked about it and nobody has said he was right. Quite the opposite.
Vitamin A has been mentioned. If you google about Vitamin A and Acne, you find that it is very beneficial.
The dose of oral Vitamin A necessary to treat acne is very high, to the point of needing tests to monitor liver function. Eating carrots or taking a multivitamin as some have suggested is not going provide any significant therapeutic affect.
The proven methods of treating acne are topicals including antibiotics, vitamin A, salicylic acid, and benzoyl peroxide as well as oral medications such as antibiotics and retinoids. Other treatments such as laser therapy are also used. Which treatment you use depends on the severity of acne.
This is the type of information you get from WebMD. Not toothpaste and egg yokes. Save yourself the time.
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The dose of oral Vitamin A necessary to treat acne is very high, to the point of needing tests to monitor liver function. Eating carrots or taking a multivitamin as some have suggested is not going provide any significant therapeutic affect.
The proven methods of treating acne are topicals including antibiotics, vitamin A, salicylic acid, and benzoyl peroxide as well as oral medications such as antibiotics and retinoids. Other treatments such as laser therapy are also used. Which treatment you use depends on the severity of acne.
This is the type of information you get from WebMD. Not toothpaste and egg yokes. Save yourself the time.
The fact that Vitamin A was mentioned in a post, doesn't mean go right ahead and have a load of it. But it is a research point.
And when researching how much to take, one may decide the dose required is unsafe, and so forget it.
I know for example, that for a cold, Vitamin C is recommended. So one can research, know the RDA, and see the amounts being suggested are alot higher. But as a one off if you have a bad cold I suspect it won't do any harm..
Now, out of interest, can you link to where on the webmd site, it says about oral vitamin A being too high a dosage, and to take topical treatment such as vitamin A..? It may well be right.. But i'm just interested because that's general sites are often not thorough enough to critique a treatment.
What you have posed has demonstrated the greatness of a forum..
can people easily click the right things on webmd to find out what you posted..
They can of course find out about vitamin A overdose by googling about how much vitamin A is safe.
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Vito, a person can have dry skin and still have acne. I know from experience. It's not the same as teenager acne. These are painful hard bumps, also known as cystic acne. They usually need to be injected with cortizone by a derm.