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Torah and Jewish Idea => Torah and Jewish Idea => Topic started by: Ulli on November 19, 2008, 04:20:56 PM
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I think this is the best lesson he ever did.
You know I am not Jewish, but I feel exactly like him. It is simply the truth. This moral lesson is more worth than gold. :)
http://www.torahanytime.com/scripts/media.php?file=media/Rabbi/Yossi_Mizrachi/2008-11-05/Dont_be_sacred_be_prepared/Rabbi__Yossi_Mizrachi__Dont_be_sacred_be_prepared__2008-11-05.wmv
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Change is beginning with us personally first. All other is outcome.
And gentiles are as worse as the Jews he is talking about.
I really think the moral decay is a global problem. All is affected by it. All the examples he brought I see in the gentile population of western countries too.
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And all righteous, hard working people (not only Jews) are good advised to appear average or better poor, because envy is a strong power, that can kill them physically - specially in this evil times.
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And the world, like it is, is stronger than us. If we like it too much and enjoy too much from it, it will conquer us. Not to our benefit.
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Shalom Pheasant,
I have seen this talk by Rabbi Mizrachi. He is a very good speaker and very serious about his topic. I agree with what the Rabbi is saying in this talk...
muman613
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Shalom Pheasant,
I have seen this talk by Rabbi Mizrachi. He is a very good speaker and very serious about his topic. I agree with what the Rabbi is saying in this talk...
muman613
It is a wonderfull lecture. :)
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Oh I forgot: Behaviour says a lot about the seriousness of the believe. He is right again.
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It is a very good lesson
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That rabbi was born in Israel and left for America. That is something I am not comfortable with.
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What what what ?! I am listening to the beginning and he says one reason for antisemitism is genetic. The other being the behavior of the Jews themselves (he got that one right).
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What what what ?! I am listening to the beginning and he says one reason for antisemitism is genetic. The other being the behavior of the Jews themselves (he got that one right).
it is very obviously true.
gentiles hate us regardless of what we do.
there are some good gentiles, sure.. (I can tell you though even they can come up with some suprising comments or thoughts!)
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I can't play it on my computer.
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I can't play it on my computer.
Happens. You can always download it. Go back to his page, and right click either on the video or MP3, and "save target as"
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That rabbi was born in Israel and left for America. That is something I am not comfortable with.
He wasn't religious when he came to America. He become religious later. Anyway if you would like to know why, or why he did what he did, or anything you want to ask, then email him, or call him and ask. Anyway he said this before and in this lecture also he says that the place for Jews is in Israel (that is our hometown so to speak), and being in America (or anywhere else) we are in exile.
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What what what ?! I am listening to the beginning and he says one reason for antisemitism is genetic. The other being the behavior of the Jews themselves (he got that one right).
Esav hates Yaakov. The early zionist intellectuals did not and could not perceive the irrational nature of this antisemitism - a major mistake. And this mistake stemmed from their worldview which rejected any supernatural element, rejected G-d, and rejected Jewish theological precepts in general (exception for those few which they might have used to their advantage, distorted, etc to deceive people or otherwise). This atheist worldview was the undoing of their philosophies to their present-day abortive manifestations.
Being that metaphysical realities described by the Torah and our Sages, such as "Esav hates Yaakov," are not permitted nor considered as explanations within the worldview of the secular atheist zionist intellectuals, they insisted that antisemitism instead was purely rational, self-interest based, and/or provoked and could therefore be remedied with practical solutions within the zionist philosophy. They were clearly proven wrong.
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What what what ?! I am listening to the beginning and he says one reason for antisemitism is genetic.
Manytimes it is hard for Jews to believe, but today I went on StørmFrønt (first time reading a little of what they were saying), and I'm like are these people for real? And the sad thing is that their are like 2,000 active users on. Just look at the hatred, it is unbelievable. Even in their arguments one person says Communism is a Jewish system and its bad, and then another says- no capitalism is the worst and it's made by the Jews, etc. etc. Soo much nonsense and hate, I cant believe it. They actually blame the Talmud for communism??? and then blame the Talmud for Capitalism and how it inspires greed (I guess they havn't read about charity and doing acts of kindness, Acting justly, etc.). Whatever it is sad, if one doesn't have faith in G-d, it can be depressing (that's why we often see some Jews trying to appease non-Jews). - The funny thing about SF is that they want Jews to all go to Israel.
But it is not only SF and other's like that. Many times unfortunatly, we do encounter, special* negative attitudes, and emphasis of Jews doing wrongdoings. And it doesn't matter if the label is - "Leftist Jews" or whatever Jews, bottom line is that the word Jews or Jew is used too often and out of proportion when it comes to negativity. (And that is for 2 reasons- 1 becuase Jews must live up to a higher standard, and deep down everyone acknowledges the uniqueness of Jews and 2- Becuase it is a natural bias agains't Jews that many have, and even though the person or group might be correct in that particular case, overall they are incorrect and overall much more negative emphasis is stressed on some Jews doing wrong then anyone else.
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"Esav hates Jacob" doesn't imply a genetic reason. Esav came to represent the Greek and later on the whole European civilization despite the fact that Esav himself is a very close keen of the Jews. If someone believes that all the Goyim (except those who are actually Jews by blood as the Rabbi suggested) are anti-semite by genetics there are several very difficult logical conclusions:
1. over 90% of men have no free choice, their genetics dictates them to hate Jews and basically damn themselves to oblivion.
2. Jews must not accept any converts, in fact they must revoke the convert status from as many Jews as they can.
3. The Jews should conduct extensive genetics tests in order to weed out all the erev-rav and other hitch hikers that merged into our people through history.
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Esav came to represent the Greek and later on the whole European civilization
Actually the Roman's. (and the barbarians- aka Germany.)
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"Esav hates Jacob" doesn't imply a genetic reason. Esav came to represent the Greek and later on the whole European civilization despite the fact that Esav himself is a very close keen of the Jews. If someone believes that all the Goyim (except those who are actually Jews by blood as the Rabbi suggested) are anti-semite by genetics there are several very difficult logical conclusions:
1. over 90% of men have no free choice, their genetics dictates them to hate Jews and basically damn themselves to oblivion.
2. Jews must not accept any converts, in fact they must revoke the convert status from as many Jews as they can.
3. The Jews should conduct extensive genetics tests in order to weed out all the erev-rav and other hitch hikers that merged into our people through history.
You're thinking of biological "genetics" or "bloodlines." I'm talking about spiritual identities of other nations. I also said nothing about free will. There is free will. And most goyim in general choose to hate Jews. Of course, there are exceptions.
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They would resent us being the chosen people. i.e. nothing to do with "what we do". It's for who we are and there is nothing we can do about it.
Zelhar. Don't take rabbi mizrachi too scientifically. He is israeli and doesn't talk in a sophisticated or intellectual way.
He was referring to reasons that we can do nothing about. Who we are.
What he said is really important common sense that any jew should know. And the general rule that Esau hates Jacob is clear from the Torah and from jewish history.
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Actually i think if most Europeans go back a hundred of generations many are of or partly Jewish
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Hello,
There is an excellent book which I have read which is published by Feldheim books :
http://www.feldheim.com/cgi-bin/category.cgi?item=978-1-59826-205-6&type=store&category=search
(http://www.feldheim.com/mas_assets/214x214/4768.jpg)
This book examines several of the reasons for antisemitism, both from a secular and from a religious viewpoint.
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Actually i think if most Europeans go back a hundred of generations many are of or partly Jewish
I doubt it is a very big number. The Askenazi Jewish community was very small when it came to Europe. True some assimilated (mostly through forced conversion), but it is a very small percentage.
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Actually i think if most Europeans go back a hundred of generations many are of or partly Jewish
I doubt it is a very big number. The Askenazi Jewish community was very small when it came to Europe. True some assimilated (mostly through forced conversion), but it is a very small percentage.
I have heard from someone that read in a book about genetics, that it would take VERY FEW converts/intermarriages over the many centuries to account for all the vast genetic differences and apparent physical feature differences we see today between Ashkenazi Jews and other groups of Jews (Sephardi etc).
It seems from what I have read that the 2 populations (Jew and Non Jew) in Europe did NOT mix very much, due to vast cultural differences, different beliefs and of course anti-Jewish racism that persisted from beginning to today.
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Actually i think if most Europeans go back a hundred of generations many are of or partly Jewish
I doubt it is a very big number. The Askenazi Jewish community was very small when it came to Europe. True some assimilated (mostly through forced conversion), but it is a very small percentage.
I have heard from someone that read in a book about genetics, that it would take VERY FEW converts/intermarriages over the many centuries to account for all the vast genetic differences and apparent physical feature differences we see today between Ashkenazi Jews and other groups of Jews (Sefaradi etc).
It seems from what I have read that the 2 populations (Jew and Non Jew) in Europe did NOT mix very much, due to vast cultural differences, different beliefs and of course anti-Jewish racism that persisted from beginning to today.
From my own personal experience my family has remained completely Jewish until this generation. Before this generation intermarriage was unheard of, at least in my family tree...
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Actually i think if most Europeans go back a hundred of generations many are of or partly Jewish
I doubt it is a very big number. The Askenazi Jewish community was very small when it came to Europe. True some assimilated (mostly through forced conversion), but it is a very small percentage.
I have heard from someone that read in a book about genetics, that it would take VERY FEW converts/intermarriages over the many centuries to account for all the vast genetic differences and apparent physical feature differences we see today between Ashkenazi Jews and other groups of Jews (Sefaradi etc).
It seems from what I have read that the 2 populations (Jew and Non Jew) in Europe did NOT mix very much, due to vast cultural differences, different beliefs and of course anti-Jewish racism that persisted from beginning to today.
Reminds me of a classic Kahane talk radio moment.. The host says
There is so much variation amongst jews from different countries, it's because of all the jewish girls sleeping around, isn't it?
Rabbi Kahane responds saying . Well, if that is the case, then I put to you, what does that say about non-jewish girls?