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General Category => Introduce Yourself => Topic started by: Fortis on January 06, 2009, 07:15:04 AM
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Hello from London.
I am a British nationalist. I am a member of the British National Party.
I am interested in revisionist Zionism, and in your movement which would appear be a continuation of that, and in fostering and encouraging sympathy, confluence and possibly direct co-operation between British and Jewish-Israeli nationalists within the wider context of defeating global jihad.
I am not interested in debating whether or not British nationalism is Nazi/anti-Jewish/anti-Semitic/anti-Zionist.
Some sections of our broad movement undoubtedly are.
The party to which I belong, the BNP, is broadly not.
I wish to develop and improve my ability to defeat the anti-Zionist arguments which I sometimes encounter within the British far-right milieux.
So this is my short introduction.
Chaim and Israel are an inspiration to me and I am very pleased to be here on the forum.
I will kick off by making a few more posts right away
Best wishes.
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Welcome Fortis
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Hello from London.
I am not interested in debating whether or not British nationalism is Nazi/anti-Jewish/anti-Semitic/anti-Zionist.
Some sections of our broad movement undoubtedly are.
The party to which I belong, the BNP, is broadly not.
Good stance. Welcome. I am also from the UK.
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Welcome.
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Welcome aboard !
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Welcome Fortis
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Shalom and Welcome brother Fortis!!!
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Welcome, getting quite a few Brits on here.
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Thank you for the big welcome.
I have a few ideas which are in gestation at the moment.
I will post them on the forum in due course.
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Welcome!I hope you gonna be fighting like Bishop from UFC.
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Nice to meat you. I see your from the Uk do know about the Go!Messenger service by Sony and BT?
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No, I am not familiar with that.
Just had a look at it though. Amazing, free video calls.
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A late Welcome. Always great to see new members, I hope you post a lot! ;D
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Welcome
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Hi everybody, I thought I would introduce myself here because I also am a BNP member. Unfortunately I am rather high profile because of one incident, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8yZ63rX26Q (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8yZ63rX26Q) I am not pro or anti Jew but I am pro Israel and have done my bit for Israel by working for the IDF Air Force when they were being bombed, when all my ex RAF
buddies went to Saudi for twice the money. I think Israel should be able to live in peace and security with a predominantly Jewish people and that every race has a right to a nation state.
I think in Britain we should have the right to a predominantly British people and not have Muslim immigration forced on us. As for the BNP membership policy well it is legal (at the moment) to have a white only party as we have black only Socialist movements in the UK. However it would be illegal of us to have a anybody can join party but no #*&£$2@ Muslims, and rightly so after all I could get arrested if I were to promote such a thing on the Internet, such is the state of free speech here in the UK. Free as long as you say what big brother deems acceptable. :nono:
Anyway hi to all again and on with the fight.
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Hi everybody, I thought I would introduce myself here because I also am a BNP member. Unfortunately I am rather high profile because of one incident, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8yZ63rX26Q (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8yZ63rX26Q) I am not pro or anti Jew but I am pro Israel and have done my bit for Israel by working for the IDF Air Force when they were being bombed, when all my ex RAF
buddies went to Saudi for twice the money. I think Israel should be able to live in peace and security with a predominantly Jewish people and that every race has a right to a nation state.
I think in Britain we should have the right to a predominantly British people and not have Muslim immigration forced on us. As for the BNP membership policy well it is legal (at the moment) to have a white only party as we have black only Socialist movements in the UK. However it would be illegal of us to have a anybody can join party but no #*&£$2@ Muslims, and rightly so after all I could get arrested if I were to promote such a thing on the Internet, such is the state of free speech here in the UK. Free as long as you say what big brother deems acceptable. :nono:
Anyway hi to all again and on with the fight.
I thought pro Jew and pro Israel were the same?
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looserivet, I am saying welcome to the forum, that is you are welcome but the BNP is not.
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I thought pro Jew and pro Israel were the same?
Well IMO that is subjective, I have no interest in pushing the Jewish faith forward however I think the Jews are a race and as such have a right to a home land and a right to live free of persecution
The Jews IMO have been subject to way more than their share of persecution. I do not extend my tolerance to cults of dead paedophiles with a war mongering way of life spreading their cult by the sword.
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I thought pro Jew and pro Israel were the same?
Well IMO that is subjective, I have no interest in pushing the Jewish faith forward however I think the Jews are a race and as such have a right to a home land and a right to live free of persecution
The Jews IMO have been subject to way more than their share of persecution. I do not extend my tolerance to cults of dead paedophiles with a war mongering way of life spreading their cult by the sword.
Why are you "pro"-Israel?
Jews are no race.
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you are welcome but the BNP is not.
Do you speak for yourself or the whole forum? I understand your mistrust as I am in a mixed race marriage I get some criticism from some BNP members but
they are a minority, dinosaurs from the past who refuse to move on. Yes mistakes have been made in the past but we should learn from history and not
relive it. As the Americans say, who is the clear and present danger? We have Jewish Councillors and officials in the party, what more can we do? If we disband
will you trust us then? and what would be the result? Like it or not, see it or not we need each other in the UK and if we can't get over that we are both doomed.
Well that's as I see it, but I could be wrong, maybe the religion of peace will unite us all in Love and harmony.
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I thought pro Jew and pro Israel were the same?
Well IMO that is subjective, I have no interest in pushing the Jewish faith forward however I think the Jews are a race and as such have a right to a home land and a right to live free of persecution
The Jews IMO have been subject to way more than their share of persecution. I do not extend my tolerance to cults of dead paedophiles with a war mongering way of life spreading their cult by the sword.
Why are you "pro"-Israel?
Jews are no race.
I beg to differ!
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I thought pro Jew and pro Israel were the same?
Well IMO that is subjective, I have no interest in pushing the Jewish faith forward however I think the Jews are a race and as such have a right to a home land and a right to live free of persecution
The Jews IMO have been subject to way more than their share of persecution. I do not extend my tolerance to cults of dead paedophiles with a war mongering way of life spreading their cult by the sword.
Why are you "pro"-Israel?
Jews are no race.
I beg to differ!
What? what is the reason you "support" Israel?
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you are welcome but the BNP is not.
Do you speak for yourself or the whole forum? I understand your mistrust as I am in a mixed race marriage I get some criticism from some BNP members but
they are a minority, dinosaurs from the past who refuse to move on. Yes mistakes have been made in the past but we should learn from history and not
relive it. As the Americans say, who is the clear and present danger? We have Jewish Councillors and officials in the party, what more can we do? If we disband
will you trust us then? and what would be the result? Like it or not, see it or not we need each other in the UK and if we can't get over that we are both doomed.
Well that's as I see it, but I could be wrong, maybe the religion of peace will unite us all in Love and harmony.
I speak for my self. I have stated my opinion about the BNP in this forum before, perhaps I will repeat it later cause now it's too late. Let me just say I wish the British alternative party would be like Geert Wilders party in Holland, him I truly support and I think with such people Jews can cooperate and work together.
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I thought pro Jew and pro Israel were the same?
Well IMO that is subjective, I have no interest in pushing the Jewish faith forward however I think the Jews are a race and as such have a right to a home land and a right to live free of persecution
The Jews IMO have been subject to way more than their share of persecution. I do not extend my tolerance to cults of dead paedophiles with a war mongering way of life spreading their cult by the sword.
Why are you "pro"-Israel?
Jews are no race.
I beg to differ!
What? what is the reason you "support" Israel?
Israel was once only inhabited by Jews then came the rise of the worlds most intolerant cult. Israel ceased to be, now while I can sit back and relax in the UK watching to other countries/religions kick the crap out of each other if it presented no danger to me. However Islam does present a danger to the world. How much better if we had stood up to Hitler in the beginning. Well I recognize that Israel belongs to the Jews and has stood up to Islam while I slept, well I'm awake now!
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you are welcome but the BNP is not.
Do you speak for yourself or the whole forum? I understand your mistrust as I am in a mixed race marriage I get some criticism from some BNP members but
they are a minority, dinosaurs from the past who refuse to move on. Yes mistakes have been made in the past but we should learn from history and not
relive it. As the Americans say, who is the clear and present danger? We have Jewish Councillors and officials in the party, what more can we do? If we disband
will you trust us then? and what would be the result? Like it or not, see it or not we need each other in the UK and if we can't get over that we are both doomed.
Well that's as I see it, but I could be wrong, maybe the religion of peace will unite us all in Love and harmony.
I speak for my self. I have stated my opinion about the BNP in this forum before, perhaps I will repeat it later cause now it's too late. Let me just say I wish the British alternative party would be like Geert Wilders party in Holland, him I truly support and I think with such people Jews can cooperate and work together.
Yes but we don't have his party in Britain and neither do we have the luxury of time to form one.
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I thought pro Jew and pro Israel were the same?
Well IMO that is subjective, I have no interest in pushing the Jewish faith forward however I think the Jews are a race and as such have a right to a home land and a right to live free of persecution
The Jews IMO have been subject to way more than their share of persecution. I do not extend my tolerance to cults of dead paedophiles with a war mongering way of life spreading their cult by the sword.
Why are you "pro"-Israel?
Jews are no race.
I beg to differ!
What? what is the reason you "support" Israel?
Israel was once only inhabited by Jews then came the rise of the worlds most intolerant cult. Israel ceased to be, now while I can sit back and relax in the UK watching to other countries/religions kick the crap out of each other if it presented no danger to me. However Islam does present a danger to the world. How much better if we had stood up to Hitler in the beginning. Well I recognize that Israel belongs to the Jews and has stood up to Islam while I slept, well I'm awake now!
Yet you're a member of a party leaded Holocaust denying Nazi piece of scum.
Btw... I didn't really understand ur post.
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Yet you're a member of a party leaded Holocaust denying piece of scum.
Btw... I didn't really understand ur post.
For someone who is 16 and living in Israel do you think you know more than me who is 48, defended Israel before you were born and has met and had many discussions with Nick Griffin.
He never denied the holocaust just the way and numbers killed. He has since admitted he was wrong but Nick Griffin is just one person in the party, we are not a dictatorship. He has
however transformed the party and under his leadership all the Nazi sympathisers have left in disgust and good riddance. He now lives under death threats from both Muslims and Nazi
sympathisers so try and cut the guy some slack. No he is far from ideal especially with his history but we make do with what we have for now.
Should this not be a question you address to our Jewish members and officials? If they can get past it then so can I.
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For someone who is 16 and living in Israel do you think you know more than me who is 48, defended Israel before you were born and has met and had many discussions with Nick Griffin.
How did you "defend" Israel? I've defended Israel more than you ever dreamt of defending your soon-falling so-called Kingdom.
He never denied the holocaust just the way and numbers killed. He has since admitted he was wrong but Nick Griffin is just one person in the party, we are not a dictatorship.
Goes just the same in the Democratic American party. Btw, do you even know what Holocaust denial means?
He has however transformed the party and under his leadership all the Nazi sympathisers have left in disgust and good riddance.
Most of the members or supporters are so blindly obsessed with anti-Islam-ism that all people would go to this party wether Hitler is the leader or a 50's hippie. The fact that the members agreed to take part within this party leaded by this piece of scum and other Nazis means it all.
He now lives under death threats from both Muslims and Nazi
sympathisers so try and cut the guy some slack.
G-D willing, they would slay him.
Should this not be a question you address to our Jewish members and officials? If they can get past it then so can I.
So what if there are Jewish members? there were Jewish members in all anti-Jewish/anti-Semitic parties, except for the authentic/Neo Nazi parties.
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So what if there are Jewish members? there were Jewish members in all anti-Jewish/anti-Semitic parties, except for the authentic/Neo Nazi parties.
I'll leave this discussion now as by your own words you have proven my case.
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So what if there are Jewish members? there were Jewish members in all anti-Jewish/anti-Semitic parties, except for the authentic/Neo Nazi parties.
I'll leave this discussion now as by your own words you have proven my case.
You don't understand how you've proven mine do u?
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looserivet, I am saying welcome to the forum, that is you are welcome but the BNP is not.
A question, just for information - is this now a fact? Although I have myself often been criticised on this forum for referring to the neo-nazi leanings of the BNP old guard, I am also aware that several senior members of this forum do not seem ill-disposed towards the BNP as a whole, including the motives of the ordinary people who see no alternative other than to vote for them.
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looserivet, I am saying welcome to the forum, that is you are welcome but the BNP is not.
A question, just for information - is this now a fact? Although I have myself often been criticised on this forum for referring to the neo-nazi leanings of the BNP old guard, I am also aware that several senior members of this forum do not seem ill-disposed towards the BNP as a whole, including the motives of the ordinary people who see no alternative other than to vote for them.
I speak for myself only. I accept the fact that some, in fact, many BNP voters are ok folk, and I would like to work with them. The BNP itself, in my view is beyond redemption. It is in fact an obstacle that prevents the creation of a decent freedom loving voting clock in Britain that will be an alternative to the Labour-Torry corrupted duopoly on power. As long as this Party keeps being open to race-oriented, xenophobic, chauvinistic biggots, it cannot and will not succeed in forming an alternative, but rather remain a fringe party which appeals to some in the white lower classes.
Nick Griffin himself is dishonest and erratic, and I might add he severely lacks in Charisma and sophistication that a potential national leader must have. And this is my unbiased opinion, as much as a Jew can be unbiased toward someone who is friendly with David Irving.
Having said what I said, it is also my interest that Britain and all of Europe will sooner contain the Islamic invasion. It is my opinion however, that the hypocritical duplicitous and ultimately weak BNP would rather cooperate with the muslims than fight them. There is already the precedent from France, where the National Front cooperates with an Islamo-Afro-Nazi figure even though they are supposed to hate each other. These are the same worms that although supposedly french patriots- they cooperated with the Nazi occupation and formed the Vichy puppet government. The BNP leadership is the same stock of sorry people who are not to be trusted. They will betray you.
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looserivet, I am saying welcome to the forum, that is you are welcome but the BNP is not.
A question, just for information - is this now a fact? Although I have myself often been criticised on this forum for referring to the neo-nazi leanings of the BNP old guard, I am also aware that several senior members of this forum do not seem ill-disposed towards the BNP as a whole, including the motives of the ordinary people who see no alternative other than to vote for them.
I speak for myself only. I accept the fact that some, in fact, many BNP voters are ok folk, and I would like to work with them. The BNP itself, in my view is beyond redemption. It is in fact an obstacle that prevents the creation of a decent freedom loving voting clock in Britain that will be an alternative to the Labour-Torry corrupted duopoly on power. As long as this Party keeps being open to race-oriented, xenophobic, chauvinistic biggots, it cannot and will not succeed in forming an alternative, but rather remain a fringe party which appeals to some in the white lower classes.
Nick Griffin himself is dishonest and erratic, and I might add he severely lacks in Charisma and sophistication that a potential national leader must have. And this is my unbiased opinion, as much as a Jew can be unbiased toward someone who is friendly with David Irving.
Having said what I said, it is also my interest that Britain and all of Europe will sooner contain the Islamic invasion. It is my opinion however, that the hypocritical duplicitous and ultimately weak BNP would rather cooperate with the muslims than fight them. There is already the precedent from France, where the National Front cooperates with an Islamo-Afro-Nazi figure even though they are supposed to hate each other. These are the same worms that although supposedly french patriots- they cooperated with the Nazi occupation and formed the Vichy puppet government. The BNP leadership is the same stock of sorry people who are not to be trusted. They will betray you.
OK, I follow and agree.
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looserivet, I am saying welcome to the forum, that is you are welcome but the BNP is not.
A question, just for information - is this now a fact? Although I have myself often been criticised on this forum for referring to the neo-nazi leanings of the BNP old guard, I am also aware that several senior members of this forum do not seem ill-disposed towards the BNP as a whole, including the motives of the ordinary people who see no alternative other than to vote for them.
I speak for myself only. I accept the fact that some, in fact, many BNP voters are ok folk, and I would like to work with them. The BNP itself, in my view is beyond redemption. It is in fact an obstacle that prevents the creation of a decent freedom loving voting clock in Britain that will be an alternative to the Labour-Torry corrupted duopoly on power. As long as this Party keeps being open to race-oriented, xenophobic, chauvinistic biggots, it cannot and will not succeed in forming an alternative, but rather remain a fringe party which appeals to some in the white lower classes.
Nick Griffin himself is dishonest and erratic, and I might add he severely lacks in Charisma and sophistication that a potential national leader must have. And this is my unbiased opinion, as much as a Jew can be unbiased toward someone who is friendly with David Irving.
Having said what I said, it is also my interest that Britain and all of Europe will sooner contain the Islamic invasion. It is my opinion however, that the hypocritical duplicitous and ultimately weak BNP would rather cooperate with the Muslim's than fight them. There is already the precedent from France, where the National Front cooperates with an Islamo-Afro-Nazi figure even though they are supposed to hate each other. These are the same worms that although supposedly french patriots- they cooperated with the Nazi occupation and formed the Vichy puppet government. The BNP leadership is the same stock of sorry people who are not to be trusted. They will betray you.
Ok tip toeing round the laws in my country as we don't have free speech! I am a BNP member and only became interested in Israel and the BNP when I was forced through the RAF to share a room with a Muslim for six months. If It was my intent to rid Britain of Jews I would not waste my time here. If I were a Neo Nazi I would set my enemies on each other and manage the war. I would go to Muslim graves, smash the headstones and spray Hebrew abuse. You all know how stupid they are and even if they didn't believe it was Jews who did it, to them it wouldn't matter. It would be all the justification to go on a blood lust. The fact that this has not happened is proof to me that no will for this is present in the BNP. There is alternatives to the BNP in Britain but if your main concern is the spread of "the religion of peace" then the only alternative is the NF and if you are anti Semitic there lies your home. From what I have posted above I can now expect and early day door kicking in by Britains thought Police. As for the BNP being in bed with the Muslims, what???????????? you can't be serious. This is me and this is what Muslims did to me; (http://seanbryson.com/images/tony_ward.jpg) Multiple blows with claw hammers, and multiple wounds with a hole in my skull between my eyes were they left a claw hammer sticking out!
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looserivet, I am saying welcome to the forum, that is you are welcome but the BNP is not.
A question, just for information - is this now a fact? Although I have myself often been criticised on this forum for referring to the neo-nazi leanings of the BNP old guard, I am also aware that several senior members of this forum do not seem ill-disposed towards the BNP as a whole, including the motives of the ordinary people who see no alternative other than to vote for them.
I speak for myself only. I accept the fact that some, in fact, many BNP voters are ok folk, and I would like to work with them. The BNP itself, in my view is beyond redemption. It is in fact an obstacle that prevents the creation of a decent freedom loving voting clock in Britain that will be an alternative to the Labour-Torry corrupted duopoly on power. As long as this Party keeps being open to race-oriented, xenophobic, chauvinistic biggots, it cannot and will not succeed in forming an alternative, but rather remain a fringe party which appeals to some in the white lower classes.
Nick Griffin himself is dishonest and erratic, and I might add he severely lacks in Charisma and sophistication that a potential national leader must have. And this is my unbiased opinion, as much as a Jew can be unbiased toward someone who is friendly with David Irving.
Having said what I said, it is also my interest that Britain and all of Europe will sooner contain the Islamic invasion. It is my opinion however, that the hypocritical duplicitous and ultimately weak BNP would rather cooperate with the Muslim's than fight them. There is already the precedent from France, where the National Front cooperates with an Islamo-Afro-Nazi figure even though they are supposed to hate each other. These are the same worms that although supposedly french patriots- they cooperated with the Nazi occupation and formed the Vichy puppet government. The BNP leadership is the same stock of sorry people who are not to be trusted. They will betray you.
Ok tip toeing round the laws in my country as we don't have free speech! I am a BNP member and only became interested in Israel and the BNP when I was forced through the RAF to share a room with a Muslim for six months. If It was my intent to rid Britain of Jews I would not waste my time here. If I were a Neo Nazi I would set my enemies on each other and manage the war. I would go to Muslim graves, smash the headstones and spray Hebrew abuse. You all know how stupid they are and even if they didn't believe it was Jews who did it, to them it wouldn't matter. It would be all the justification to go on a blood lust. The fact that this has not happened is proof to me that no will for this is present in the BNP. There is alternatives to the BNP in Britain but if your main concern is the spread of "the religion of peace" then the only alternative is the NF and if you are anti Semitic there lies your home. From what I have posted above I can now expect and early day door kicking in by Britains thought Police. As for the BNP being in bed with the Muslims, what???????????? you can't be serious. This is me and this is what Muslims did to me; (http://seanbryson.com/images/tony_ward.jpg) Multiple blows with claw hammers, and multiple wounds with a hole in my skull between my eyes were they left a claw hammer sticking out!
If I thought you were a Nazi I wouldn't bother discussing with you. If Nick Griffin is the bane of Islam, why then did he met with Libyan representatives, and exchanged cordial praises with Farrakhan ? What is his strategy exactly ? Do you believe in forming unholly alliances like ribbentrop-molotov ? Can you trust the people and the parties who historically were willing to cooperate with Nazis and now they are willing to work with Islamonazis ?
Now I will also present you the Jewish aspect as I see it. First, more of a side remark to something you said before, Jews don't define themselves as a race, and indeed we aren't a race, since we accept convert to Judaism as Jews no matter what race they are.
Now regarding the BNP and its leader- I will never trust them since they have a very spotted history of blaming "zionist influence" over both communist and capitalist etc. And they also have a history of holocaust denial. Nick Griffin himself claims to have changed his mind but it is clear to me is that he is not sincere. He said that he made a simple mistake of estimating down casualty numbers. That is a lie, he was partaking in a campaign of holocaust denying, and it was a deliberate and malicious attack on my people. Therefore his regret is not sincere even on the face of it as he refuses to take full responsibility for his own actions.
Anyway, as a Jew I would never work with the BNP. If the BNP was taking on the muslims and kicking some muslim butts out of Europe I wish them good luck with that particular endeavor. BUT, even in that regard, by my logic and experience, the BNP are not going to actually take on the fight against Islam. They are going to betray you so watch out.
I am sorry that you were attacked by the muslims. But please don't ignore what I say about Griffin and the BNP.
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So what if there are Jewish members? there were Jewish members in all anti-Jewish/anti-Semitic parties, except for the authentic/Neo Nazi parties.
I'll leave this discussion now as by your own words you have proven my case.
As a BNP voter, here is my two-penneth:
- I do not believe that the ordinary BNP supporter has the slightest interest in antisemitism. Were it not for the Nazi links of the old guard then their votes would be ten times what they are at present. Memories and awareness of the 2nd World War run deep in the UK.
- I understand that Nick Griffin lost an eye from an accidental explosion while he was living with a Nazi activist in France.
- His performance on "Question Time" was flippant, disingenuous and lightweight. He owed his supporters (and the wider British public) more than that. You have a S. African guy who could have done far better.
- He seems to have blown the opportunity for massive EU funding by failing to establish alliances with the other right wing groups.
Not a great track record. Get rid of him. He may have established the BNP, but is now busy destroying it.
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So what if there are Jewish members? there were Jewish members in all anti-Jewish/anti-Semitic parties, except for the authentic/Neo Nazi parties.
I'll leave this discussion now as by your own words you have proven my case.
As a BNP voter, here is my two-penneth:
- I do not believe that the ordinary BNP supporter has the slightest interest in antisemitism. Were it not for the Nazi links of the old guard then their votes would be ten times what they are at present. Memories and awareness of the 2nd World War run deep in the UK.
- I understand that Nick Griffin lost an eye from an accidental explosion while he was living with a Nazi activist in France.
- His performance on "Question Time" was flippant, disingenuous and lightweight. He owed his supporters (and the wider British public) more than that. You have a S. African guy who could have done far better.
- He seems to have blown the opportunity for massive EU funding by failing to establish alliances with the other right wing groups.
Not a great track record. Get rid of him. He may have established the BNP, but is now busy destroying it.
By his own admission in the press he has said he can only take the BNP so far and will take us into parliament but not power. I've heard we are waiting for........ oh I've said to much already :o