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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Chaim Ben Pesach on January 08, 2009, 06:18:30 PM
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Please explain why you voted the way you did?
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I voted for the second option because as long as the leftists are in charge in Israel, the insanity will continue.
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choice 2.
The current Israeli government has never been able to live up to its word, and this is no different. You can not engage a sworn enemy that has vowed to kill and destroy you and play by the rules the Jew hating nations of the world decide is fair.
If Israel caves in and allows the UN Security Council to dictate on how this will unfold that there's no way to Win. The only solution is - 'Change' in government, a Kahanist style government!
A government that the will protect its people and restore Judaism and its values across the board,
a type of government that the whole anti Semitic world will hate but fear for knowing that G-d's chosen people aren't to be messed with!
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It is happening currently.
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I went for #3. It's hard to say because Israel's track record as of late on this issue has not been good but....the fact that this may be the last chance for them to get a handle on things might make the difference. The Bush Administration it seems was a bit more helpful to Israel then the incoming successors administration will ever be. I think Israel may have seen this and is trying to get a foothold in Gaza so they will be in a position of control come the end of the month. Not to say that they plan to stay in Gaza forever but I think that the fact that they are occupying the territory will give them better bargaining power then if they were on the outside looking in.
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Choice 2. It is exactly what the government wanted all along. If the Israeli public thinks that Israel has suffered a great defeat, they will think that they simply cannot win any wars these days, and will have to accept a life under constant rocket fire, and will think that they must do anything that the Muslims want in order to survive (in essence becoming dhimmis in their own country).
Chaim, I told you that this was what the Israeli government was trying to do all along, and you didn't believe me. I told you Kadima did not want to defeat Hamas, but lose to them.
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Because even though they want to destroy the threat to their citizens, they will eventually cave under international pressure again and nothing will have changed.
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Because even though they want to destroy the threat to their citizens
The only "threat" they want to destroy are the patriotic, religious Jews in Judea and Samaria. The only thing they want to do to the Muslim Nazi threat to their citizens is shower them with land and money.
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I think it is the nature of the Muslims to attack so called "infidels".
This will never change.
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Therefore it is the responsibility of the Arabs to throw the Hamas creatures out of Gaza so that they won't be under fire.
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Choice 2. It is exactly what the government wanted all along. If the Israeli public thinks that Israel has suffered a great defeat, they will think that they simply cannot win any wars these days, and will have to accept a life under constant rocket fire, and will think that they must do anything that the Muslims want in order to survive (in essence becoming dhimmis in their own country).
Chaim, I told you that this was what the Israeli government was trying to do all along, and you didn't believe me. I told you Kadima did not want to defeat Hamas, but lose to them.
I disagree.
First of all, Israel isn't going to lose to Hamas. Israel won't succeed in removing Hamas, but certainly will temporarily weaken Hamas.
Secondly, continued rocket fire from Hamas will not make Israelis more likely to want to surrender land to Hamas. It will have exactly the opposite effect.
Not thoroughly defeating and removing Hamas is a blessing in disguise. An implacably genocidal and hostile Hamas is the greatest impediment to further suicidal Israeli concessions.
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I disagree.
First of all, Israel isn't going to lose to Hamas. Israel won't succeed in removing Hamas, but certainly will temporarily weaken Hamas.
What exactly does this mean? That's what all the mainstream pundits said after the Lebanon War in 2006. It could not have been further from the truth. The fact is that Hezbollah ended that war with more missiles than they had in the beginning. It was a complete failure, and so far so is this war. You can't win a war by bombing empty buildings and tunnels. Olmert seems to think that he can wage a war without producing any enemy casualties. It's time for a reality check.
Secondly, continued rocket fire from Hamas will not make Israelis more likely to want to surrender land to Hamas. It will have exactly the opposite effect.
This isn't the "greatest generation" of WWII, or the generation that won Israel's independence in 1948 or that beat five heavily-armed Nazi nations in 1967 at once. These are postmodern, secular Israelis who have been taught since childhood not to have any faith in G-d or His miracles. If Israel loses this war, the citizenry will be massively dejected and assume that it must do whatever Hamas wants if it wants to live. It will play perfectly into the hands of Olmert and Livni and Barak, who know that a massive psychological blow like this will greatly soften-up the nation for so-called "hard concessions".
Not thoroughly defeating and removing Hamas is a blessing
in disguise. An implacably genocidal and hostile Hamas is the greatest impediment to further suicidal Israeli concessions.
Not if the heart and soul of the public are so far gone that they will just roll over and accept that.
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This is never ending story because every time when Israel try to end it someone presses the pause button and everything starts all over again.
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#2 is more likely given the history of weakness and appeasement of Israel since 1967. I hope I'm wrong.
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It's obvious that it is choice 2. Israel will not eliminate hamas because they need them to even out Fatah when Fatah becomes naughty. (at least that wishful thinking if that is a real strategy in mind).
It makes no sense for Israel to not completely remove Hamas. Except they worry what the USA will do if they ask Israel to stop...and they also worry about PR on how everyone goes love lost crazy for terrorist children/women..yes, they are rodef too.
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Obviously choice #2.
This is just temporary.
Other questions: Does Hamas hate Israel? Do muslims believe in "convert or die"? Does 1 + 1 = 2? Do birds chirp? Do muslims take "ceasefires" as signs of weakness?
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Number 2, the Israeli government will crumble under international pressure and then Hamas will rebuild.
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Choice -2.
Because till Muslamics survive, they can never be deterred from their path of evil expansionism till others are forced to surrender and submit completely to them.
And EuroCommunism is only interested in playing a childish game of hide and seek with the Islamic Jihadi Terrorism.
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The only lasting impact that this operation will have rendered against the muzlimz is that the dead ones will remain dead and their future offspring potential terrorists will not exist.
However, this is VERY NEGLIGIBLE because muzlims multiply like cockroaches and that's that.
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Choice -2.
Because till Muslamics survive, they can never be deterred from their path of evil expansionism till others are forced to surrender and submit completely to them.
And EuroCommunism is only interested in playing a childish game of hide and seek with the Islamic Jihadi Terrorism.
However I wish that Israel should be somehow victorious and shall throw out all Arab and Muslamics from Eretz Israel.
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I voted that Israel would agree to another Ceasefire and Rockets would fall again. Lets understand that Smolmert, Barach and Shpitzer will never do anything to increase Israeli security or harm Muzzies. Smolmert is working day and night to make the muzzie infiltrators who live in Israel, more comfortable. The only hope for security in Israel is if Chaim Ben Pesach becomes prime minister.
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I voted the way I did because of the wisdom behind this adage: "The definition of insanity: doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results."
A week or two ago I was watching the Bolshevik news channel, Channel 1, and a young, self-hating Jewish woman was "protesting" in Manhattan with a bunch of shvarzas and Arabs, decrying Israel's military offensive. She claimed she was outraged by what Israel was doing "in the name of her people." Her "people"? She's a traitor to Jews. With Jews like her, who needs Nazis and anti-Semites?
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War is all about killing enemies and conquering territory. Especially if justice and morality is on your side. But Israel doesn't have a clue. :-(
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I think this war is going to end with Israel with an Arab or Muslim 'peace keeping' force guarding the passes to and from Gaza and supposedly making sure there are no underground smuggling going on. If this conclusion really happens it makes Hamas the winer since the reason they escalated the rocket firing and brought about this war is their desire to open the passes out of Gaza.
The next time Israel would have to make a move on Gaza it would be even harder since by then Hamas will have armed itself with longer ranged missiles as well as better combat weapons such as AT guided missiles.
But all this is of little significant since really Iran is the only issue we have to take care of in the immediate future.
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#2, because, unfortunately, history always seems to repeat itself.
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#2-because unfortunately Arabs now what they want in this war,and Israel government don`t have plan for future of Israel.
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I voted that there will be a ceasefire and rockets will continue to be launched at Jews from Gazan animals because the olmert/barak/livni govt never had any clear objectives going into the war, it was an elections ploy, and from the very beginning it seems they've been trying to "achieve" a ceasefire (which is not worth the paper its written on, as we've seen time and time again with the arab muslim nazis).
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JTF was right again.
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Shalom!
The Gazan Arabs are a people without a conscience.....Having seen them sing and dance and party after killing innocent Israelis, you have got to be coucou to believe that these animals will change anytime soon. The young have been severely brainwashed into massacring as many Jews as humanly possible. The Quran is a violent book and the Gazans are intoxicated with the message. We cannot be tolerant towards intolerance.....we will have only ourselves to blame for it. The Arab mind does not respect timidity, only aggression. (No wonder Saddam was able to control the fanatics) Only a very strong right-wing Israel gives me hope of taming the Gazan dogs!
RON
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בס''ד
Please explain why you voted the way you did?
This is what happens everytime..Israel attacks and then caves to world pressure..who cares what the world says..let the IDF clean that part of the world up and rid it of the plague known as Hamas..then go after anyone else who comes against Israel!
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I think that more and more people may realize that it was a mistake to pull out of Gaza.
For example, Michael Medved, who has a radio platform and his sibling who lives in Israel, have both admitted that they were wrong.
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Israel should kill the HAMAS leaders, what about it? How many Hamas-muslim leaders died?
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Israel should kill the HAMAS leaders, what about it? How many Hamas-muslim leaders died?
You can kill them and they have a new one. It's unpossible to "delete" them. Destroy Hamas and they build another Terror organization.
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it's always like that: hamas stops firing rockets into israel, israel pools out all it's troops and follows the international rules, hamas fires again rockets into southern-israel and to a respons to that israel defense itself by striking back and than israel gets blaimed for everything!
we ill always defending ourselfs and be proud of be an israeli :dance:
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Well I chose the second option. there will be a ceasefire as always.
The World Governments need a freakin reality check, Islam is dedicated to the death and destruction of all infidels, they always have been and always will be. I think I have a little experience in this area working as a Military Police Officer in Iraq just recently, I know how these guys think and I know what moves they will try to take, you can not trust these people at all, one day they are your best friend and then an hour later they stab you while your not looking. I will say the one thing Extremist Muslims are very very good at, is putting on a happy face in front of you and then later on killing one of your men. The Palestinians do not want a 2 state solution, and neither does Israel. If a 2 state solution were to happen, Rockets and Missles would still shower Southern Israel because the Palestinians want all of Israel, not just some of it, The Palestinians goal is to destroy all Jews and Christians and take over all of Israel even if they did get to create their own state. The same thing is still going to happen even if there is a 2 State Solution or not.
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I voted the 2nd simply because the Hamas will throw rockets into Israel as long as they have the ability ,it is also their way to manipulate the media the way they can kill each others ,so the international community can "blame Israel" for killing civilians.
In Gaza,the Hamas rules and dictate;people don't have the right so sing,dance or belong to any other party include the Abbas party;they will be a punishment of death if so.
The Hamas is responsible for killing thousands of their own citizens since 2005.From contribution of billions of dollars from other country in the last 4 years,Hamas could have built an economy,structure,hotels,inovation etc..but no,instead they use this money to harm Israel and it's own people.
How can you make peace with someone who wants to kill you no matter what?
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well choice number 2 of course , Muslim's\Arabs have no mercy to their own people never less to people from other religions
my point is that even if Israel wasn't a country in the middle east , this savage Muslim's will fight each other and kill each other by the millions , just like Iraq Iran war lol they used chemical weapons on each other , which was never used even on Israel in all of the wars !
so no matter what happen or what Israel will do the hamas or any other psychotic Islamic group , they will keep attacking Israel and will try to murder Jews till there is no longer Israel , than will start killing Christians minority's and other Muslims that are no Sunnis or Shiites
best Muslims hobby is killing murdering beheading cutting hands and all that
i don't see a good end with this Islamic Muslims savages !! with or without Israel
its not only about Israel , its about the free world
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בס''ד
Please explain why you voted the way you did?
History repeats itself,always! Muslims will never change and will never stop because it is their religious belief to do what they do. To stop what they do, is to stop being Muslim. So you see, peace with a Muslim by a non Muslim is a lie and a fantasy. Anyone who placates a Muslim is a fool and deserves exactly what he or she gets,I.E.,beheadings, suicide bombers, airplanes through buildings etc.,etc.,etc..........Rick
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בס''ד
Please explain why you voted the way you did?
History repeats itself,always! Muslims will never change and will never stop because it is their religious belief to do what they do. To stop what they do, is to stop being Muslim. So you see, peace with a Muslim by a non Muslim is a lie and a fantasy. Anyone who placates a Muslim is a fool and deserves exactly what he or she gets,I.E.,beheadings, suicide bombers, airplanes through buildings etc.,etc.,etc..........Rick
Welcome to the forum. :)
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Thank you very much!!!!!! It is a pleasure to be among like minded people!!!!!!
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Until the left winged self hating Jews are removed from power, the muslims will continue to murder Israelis and weaken Israel.
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Until the left winged self hating Jews are removed from power, the muslims will continue to murder Israelis and weaken Israel.
It's also left wing people in chutz l'aretz that are calling the shots. Both sides.
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I picked the middle option for obvious reasons.
“Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it”
George Santayana
(Spanish born American Philosopher, Poet and Humanist who made important contributions to aesthetics, speculative philosophy and literary criticism. 1863-1952)
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well off course our bolshevik government will silence about the rocket and do nothing.they are suppporters of the arabs and blacks along with the white liberal (jews included) traitors in their quest of destroying the western world (thay are already susceded in south africa and are sucssiding in euroarabia,america and israel,all of them are expected to lose their white majority by 2050.)
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As long as the traitors in the Knesset continue to allow our enemies to live in Gaza we will never have peace. The arabs have to destroy us, and that is exactly what will happen unless they are pushed back from our land and never allowed to threaten us again.
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1,400 years of consistent Islam makes predicting Islam a simple task.
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I voted for choice #2 because that is how it has been since I can remember.
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I choose option 2 because it's pretty obvious that Security will Never be Restored in Israel. There will be a ceasefire, but i doubt that it will be for long...