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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: GoIsraelGo! on February 18, 2009, 02:23:34 AM
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I did hear on the news, and it is not mentioned in the article that the owner had given Zanax to the Chimp in his tea. I do know that sometimes people have bad reactions to zanax. Is it possible this Chimp was on anti depressants and he had a bad reaction too?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/4677551/Pet-chimp-attacks-woman-and-police-officers.html
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Oh My Goodness!
My doctor had just perscribed me Xanax last week. I delayed in picking it up because in general I avoid those types of medications. I haven't taken any yet and I am just freaked that you should bring this up. I was right!
PS: He perscribed Xanax to alleviate itching symptoms. He has since changed his perscription to Benadryl.
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Oh My Goodness!
My doctor had just perscribed me Xanax last week. I delayed in picking it up because in general I avoid those types of medications. I haven't taken any yet and I am just freaked that you should bring this up. I was right!
PS: He perscribed Xanax to alleviate itching symptoms. He has since changed his perscription to Benadryl.
Your perception is good. Benadryl is better, my daughter takes it for her allergies. I had a girlfriend who took zanax, and when she didn't have her zanax, she would flip out completely, to the point where I took her kids to my house until she calmed down. She was always calling the doctor to give her more zanax. Some people have trouble when they become dependant on anti depressants.
My oldest daughter also had a girlfriend who took zanax for years. Her friend had the same experience. She flipped out and once saw a head in her washing machine and body parts. My daughters friend had been on Zanax for years and also had to keep calling the doctor for refills.
Glad you opted for benadryl instead. I have heard so many bad things about zanax.
Shalom & G-d bless - Dox
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Okay, so this explains why the chimp went nuts. I couldn't figure it out why that happened. Now I know. How foolish to be giving a drug like that to a chimpanzee. And, from what I'm reading here, how foolish to give it to a human, too.
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Okay, so this explains why the chimp went nuts. I couldn't figure it out why that happened. Now I know. How foolish to be giving a drug like that to a chimpanzee. And, from what I'm reading here, how foolish to give it to a human, too.
Thanks Israelforever. Like I said they didn't mention it in the article, but it was mentioned on the news.
This may be one reason the chimpanze flipped out. If people can flip on Zanax and have bad reactions,
then I can see why this Chimp went wild and animals do not have the same though process as humans.
Personally I think giving that Chimp zanax was a bad idea as well as cruel.
Shalom - Dox
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I doubt it was Xanax. Chimpanzees are truly savage, bestial creatures by their very nature, and supremely cunning and intelligent. They attack the limbs, faces, and genitals of their victims, showing they know exactly what they are doing, and are the only species of non-human animal that engages in purposeful torture, warfare, and ritual mutilation. A grown male chimp has the strength of at least ten humans and can take many bullets before it goes down.
Anybody who has a chimp as a "pet" is either completely insane or very ignorant of the true nature of this creature, and this beast's owner should be charged with attempted murder for what happened to that poor woman. I hate to curse G-d's creation, which technically is not sinful because it lacks free will, but this is one animal I would strongly consider giving the y-s to.
Edit: There is a lot of observational evidence that chimps absolutely have and exercise free will.
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Chimpanzees are wild animals and very intelligent and very strong. It takes a lot of special knowledge for someone to care for them. In my opinion the only two places a chimpanzee should be is in the wild, or in a sanctuary like Primarily Primates.
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I doubt it was Xanax. Chimpanzees are truly savage, bestial creatures by their very nature,
Being savage and bestial would be human traits. Chimpanzees are animals, and can't be judged by human standards.
and supremely cunning and intelligent. They attack the limbs, faces, and genitals of their victims, showing they know exactly what they are doing, and are the only species of non-human animal that engages in purposeful torture, warfare, and ritual mutilation. A grown male chimp has the strength of at least ten humans and can take many bullets before it goes down.
This is all very true. They can also pick up a large man and throw them over a tall fence. Did you hear the story about the guy who had to give up his pet chimp, and went to the sanctuary to bring it a birthday cake? Other chimps got jealous and chewed off his private parts.
Anybody who has a chimp as a "pet" is either completely insane or very ignorant of the true nature of this creature, and this beast's owner should be charged with attempted murder for what happened to that poor woman. I hate to curse G-d's creation, which technically is not sinful because it lacks free will, but this is one animal I would strongly consider giving the y-s to.
Edit: There is a lot of observational evidence that chimps absolutely have and exercise free will.
Animals don't go to hell. It's not the chimpanzee's fault that it was in a situation it shouldn't have been in.
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I doubt it was Xanax. Chimpanzees are truly savage, bestial creatures by their very nature,
Being savage and bestial would be human traits. Chimpanzees are animals, and can't be judged by human standards.
and supremely cunning and intelligent. They attack the limbs, faces, and genitals of their victims, showing they know exactly what they are doing, and are the only species of non-human animal that engages in purposeful torture, warfare, and ritual mutilation. A grown male chimp has the strength of at least ten humans and can take many bullets before it goes down.
This is all very true. They can also pick up a large man and throw them over a tall fence. Did you hear the story about the guy who had to give up his pet chimp, and went to the sanctuary to bring it a birthday cake? Other chimps got jealous and chewed off his private parts.
Anybody who has a chimp as a "pet" is either completely insane or very ignorant of the true nature of this creature, and this beast's owner should be charged with attempted murder for what happened to that poor woman. I hate to curse G-d's creation, which technically is not sinful because it lacks free will, but this is one animal I would strongly consider giving the y-s to.
Edit: There is a lot of observational evidence that chimps absolutely have and exercise free will.
Animals don't go to hell. It's not the chimpanzee's fault that it was in a situation it shouldn't have been in.
Hi Ruby. I do agree that those animals do belong in a good zoo or out in the wild. This is horrible and should be an example of why it is not good to keep wild animals as domestic pets. Wild animals can turn on humans, especially if those wild animals have been treated with human medication.
Shalom - Dox
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It attacked a woman it's a qurananimal
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I doubt it was Xanax. Chimpanzees are truly savage, bestial creatures by their very nature, and supremely cunning and intelligent. They attack the limbs, faces, and genitals of their victims, showing they know exactly what they are doing, and are the only species of non-human animal that engages in purposeful torture, warfare, and ritual mutilation. A grown male chimp has the strength of at least ten humans and can take many bullets before it goes down.
Anybody who has a chimp as a "pet" is either completely insane or very ignorant of the true nature of this creature, and this beast's owner should be charged with attempted murder for what happened to that poor woman. I hate to curse G-d's creation, which technically is not sinful because it lacks free will, but this is one animal I would strongly consider giving the y-s to.
Edit: There is a lot of observational evidence that chimps absolutely have and exercise free will.
Shalom C.F. You mentioned that Chimps are highly intelligent, you are right about that, however chimps are still wild animals.
I wonder if perhaps this Chimp was depressed due to the fact he had no interaction with his own species.
Chimps are like any other wild animal, they need to be around other Chimps. This may have been one of the motivating factors
in the attack.
Shalom - Dox
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You are partially right, Dox--chimps, like all primates, are extremely social animals and require interaction with their own kind by their very nature. But their interactions with other chimps are just as savage as those with humans. They rape, go to war, torture, and kill both other chimps and other primates and animals purely for the sake of killing. They are not honorable animals in any way, and I hope the owner is charged to the hilt.
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You are partially right, Dox--chimps, like all primates, are extremely social animals and require interaction with their own kind by their very nature. But their interactions with other chimps are just as savage as those with humans. They rape, go to war, torture, and kill both other chimps and other primates and animals purely for the sake of killing. They are not honorable animals in any way, and I hope the owner is charged to the hilt.
She should be held accountable. I saw a documentary about some group of Chimps that attacked other chimps and ate their babies.
This paticular group of Chimps in Africa were practising cannabilism. Also there have been incidents in the Wild where like you said
they go in gangs terrorizing other primate groups.
Shalom - Dox : )
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I thought it was illegal to own a full size chimp as a pet. If this women did give the chimp some xanax pills she should be held accountable. But with those wild type animals you cannot fully trust them 100%. Same with dogs.
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Dogs do not ritually torture people just because they get the mind to.
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I thought it was illegal to own a full size chimp as a pet. If this women did give the chimp some xanax pills she should be held accountable. But with those wild type animals you cannot fully trust them 100%. Same with dogs.
She probably had a wild animal license. Even with the license she needs to be held accountable for her friends injuries financially
and the emotional trauma.
Shalom - Dox
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You are partially right, Dox--chimps, like all primates, are extremely social animals and require interaction with their own kind by their very nature. But their interactions with other chimps are just as savage as those with humans. They rape, go to war, torture, and kill both other chimps and other primates and animals purely for the sake of killing. They are not honorable animals in any way, and I hope the owner is charged to the hilt.
Animals are not honorable or dishonorable. They are animals.
Hi Ruby. I do agree that those animals do belong in a good zoo or out in the wild. This is horrible and should be an example of why it is not good to keep wild animals as domestic pets. Wild animals can turn on humans, especially if those wild animals have been treated with human medication.
Shalom - Dox
I don't have a problem with people keeping some wild animals as pets as long as they're knowledgeable in how to care for them. Some animals should never be kept as pets however.
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Dox, it was revealed that she did not have a license, but that the local authorities looked the other way because they were so sure that he was one of the "good" chimps.
Ruby, what I mean is that they have no good qualities in the human sense. Yes, they are very intelligent, but they use that purely for savage purposes (i.e. lying in wait for other animals/humans/rival tribes of chimps, devising new mutilation techniques, practicing "taqqiyah" to rival chimps and humans, etc.)
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She should be held accountable. I saw a documentary about some group of Chimps that attacked other chimps and ate their babies.
Phyllis Chesler wrote about this in her book "Woman's Inhumanity To Woman."
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She should be held accountable. I saw a documentary about some group of Chimps that attacked other chimps and ate their babies.
Phyllis Chesler wrote about this in her book "Woman's Inhumanity To Woman."
Hi Lisa, what is that book about? Thanks.
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Phyllis Chesler wrote about this in her book "Woman's Inhumanity To Woman."
It's disgusting, but not surprising, to see how far braindead leftie spokesholes will go to extol the virtues of chimps (both animal and human), and explain away all of their barbaric deeds, but won't even give a lipservice word or two to their victims. Look at the interviews that the disgusting chimp owner in CT is giving on TV (probably hoping someone will purchase the rights to her story): she regrets that she "wasn't there" for her "pet" after he went to his room to die after being shot by the cops. I guarantee you this nutjob hippie lady didn't vote for McCain/Palin to this election. She should be locked up for the rest of her life, and as any of you who know me at all know, I'm being very moderate in that proposal.
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Hi Dox,
That book is about how vicious women can be to each other. She used the example of the monkeys in the beginning of the book to illustrate that it's not just limited to human females. Here's a link to the Amazon.com page:
http://www.amazon.com/Womans-Inhumanity-Woman-Phyllis-Chesler/dp/1556529465/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1234975407&sr=1-1
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Hi Dox,
That book is about how vicious women can be to each other. She used the example of the monkeys in the beginning of the book to illustrate that it's not just limited to human females. Here's a link to the Amazon.com page:
http://www.amazon.com/Womans-Inhumanity-Woman-Phyllis-Chesler/dp/1556529465/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1234975407&sr=1-1
Thanks Lisa. Next time I go to Borders I will check it out, it sounds very interesting.
Shalom - Dox
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Some of the posts in this thread have incredibly racist overtones.
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Your perception is good. Benadryl is better, my daughter takes it for her allergies. I had a girlfriend who took zanax, and when she didn't have her zanax, she would flip out completely, to the point where I took her kids to my house until she calmed down. She was always calling the doctor to give her more zanax. Some people have trouble when they become dependant on anti depressants.
My oldest daughter also had a girlfriend who took zanax for years. Her friend had the same experience. She flipped out and once saw a head in her washing machine and body parts. My daughters friend had been on Zanax for years and also had to keep calling the doctor for refills.
Glad you opted for benadryl instead. I have heard so many bad things about zanax.
Shalom & G-d bless - Dox
Whoa, whoa, whoa! Any doctor who prescribes a benzodiazepine should be shot. Do you know how incredibly addictive these medications are?
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Dox, it was revealed that she did not have a license, but that the local authorities looked the other way because they were so sure that he was one of the "good" chimps.
Ruby, what I mean is that they have no good qualities in the human sense. Yes, they are very intelligent, but they use that purely for savage purposes (i.e. lying in wait for other animals/humans/rival tribes of chimps, devising new mutilation techniques, practicing "taqqiyah" to rival chimps and humans, etc.)
What animals do is not good or evil. It's animal behavior.
You can not judge chimpanzees by human standards, they're not human.
They are not evil or sinister, those are human traits.
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Your perception is good. Benadryl is better, my daughter takes it for her allergies. I had a girlfriend who took zanax, and when she didn't have her zanax, she would flip out completely, to the point where I took her kids to my house until she calmed down. She was always calling the doctor to give her more zanax. Some people have trouble when they become dependant on anti depressants.
My oldest daughter also had a girlfriend who took zanax for years. Her friend had the same experience. She flipped out and once saw a head in her washing machine and body parts. My daughters friend had been on Zanax for years and also had to keep calling the doctor for refills.
Glad you opted for benadryl instead. I have heard so many bad things about zanax.
Shalom & G-d bless - Dox
Whoa, whoa, whoa! Any doctor who prescribes a benzodiazepine should be shot. Do you know how incredibly addictive these medications are?
Yes, I have had first hand experience with seeing what these anti depressants do to some people. The Zanax artificially stimulates the endorphins
in the brain causing temporary good feelings. In order to keep these good feelings the patients have to keep taking them and the end result is addiction.
I myself have had bouts of depression, but because I am aware of these addictive drugs I opted to ( sweat it out ) on my own.
Most times I do other things to combat the depression, like praying to G-d, exercising, or even something as simple as looking at the trees or sky on a walk.
This does help and in most cases depression is temporary anyway.
Shalom - Dox : )
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Dox, it was revealed that she did not have a license, but that the local authorities looked the other way because they were so sure that he was one of the "good" chimps.
Ruby, what I mean is that they have no good qualities in the human sense. Yes, they are very intelligent, but they use that purely for savage purposes (i.e. lying in wait for other animals/humans/rival tribes of chimps, devising new mutilation techniques, practicing "taqqiyah" to rival chimps and humans, etc.)
What animals do is not good or evil. It's animal behavior.
You can not judge chimpanzees by human standards, they're not human.
They are not evil or sinister, those are human traits.
That's right. However but Chimps can experience human-like feelings and emotions although I don't know if they can feel empathy. Basically they can behave like a murderous psychopaths.
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That's right. However but Chimps can experience human-like feelings and emotions although I don't know if they can feel empathy. Basically they can behave like a murderous psychopaths.
I know evolution isn't necessarily popular here, but I'll say it. There's only 5-7 million years between now and the common ancestor of chimps and humans. Of course they have many human-like traits. They do have complex emotions and high intelligence. Their DNA is almost identical to human DNA. However they're not human, they are animals.
Humanity was not around until humans began to communicate with God in a meaninful way, which was only several thousand years ago, not millions.
Chimpanzees must not be judged by human standards, it's not fair to the chimpanzees. They're not human, they don't have the capacity for human motivations and human vices. All of nature is pretty much "savage" and "bestial", from one protozooan absorbing another, to an animal dying of a parasitic infection, to a baby coming out severely malformed. I don't know why God allowed it to be that way, but that's how nature is. Singling out chimpanzees and maligning them is not fair or useful.
Only humans can sin.
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Dox, it was revealed that she did not have a license, but that the local authorities looked the other way because they were so sure that he was one of the "good" chimps.
Ruby, what I mean is that they have no good qualities in the human sense. Yes, they are very intelligent, but they use that purely for savage purposes (i.e. lying in wait for other animals/humans/rival tribes of chimps, devising new mutilation techniques, practicing "taqqiyah" to rival chimps and humans, etc.)
What animals do is not good or evil. It's animal behavior.
You can not judge chimpanzees by human standards, they're not human.
They are not evil or sinister, those are human traits.
That's right. However but Chimps can experience human-like feelings and emotions although I don't know if they can feel empathy. Basically they can behave like a murderous psychopaths.
I think Chimps feel empathy with their own kind. Jane Goodall who has studied chimps all her life told a story of a chimp who was so attached to his mother:
The chimp refused to leave his Mothers presence after she gave birth to his sibling. The chimp showed an unusal attachment and would never leave her side for a moment. Many years later the Mother died and within a week, the dependant chimp went to a creek bed where he laid down and died of depression because he could no longer be with his mother. Jane Goodall said that this was a very ( rare ) occurance for Chimp behavior.
Shalom - Dox
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I think chimpanzees do have empathy and other emotions but what I had a problem with was when people are trying to categorize their behavior in moral terms. You can't categorize an animal's behavior in moral terms in my opinion. They don't follow the same rules humans follow.
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I think chimpanzees do have empathy and other emotions but what I had a problem with was when people are trying to categorize their behavior in moral terms. You can't categorize an animal's behavior in moral terms in my opinion. They don't follow the same rules humans follow.
Yes Ruby, I see your point. Animals have a more primitive empathy that they display toward their own species.
It is not to be compared to the human's mind and feelings.
Shalom - Dox : )
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I think chimpanzees do have empathy and other emotions but what I had a problem with was when people are trying to categorize their behavior in moral terms. You can't categorize an animal's behavior in moral terms in my opinion. They don't follow the same rules humans follow.
Yes Ruby, I see your point. Animals have a more primitive empathy that they display toward their own species.
It is not to be compared to the human's mind and feelings.
Shalom - Dox : )
The emotions could be just as strong and feel the same, but for the purpose of this conversation it doesn't matter. They're not human and can not be held liable for what they do as a human would.
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I think chimpanzees do have empathy and other emotions but what I had a problem with was when people are trying to categorize their behavior in moral terms. You can't categorize an animal's behavior in moral terms in my opinion. They don't follow the same rules humans follow.
Yes Ruby, I see your point. Animals have a more primitive empathy that they display toward their own species.
It is not to be compared to the human's mind and feelings.
Shalom - Dox : )
The emotions could be just as strong and feel the same, but for the purpose of this conversation it doesn't matter. They're not human and can not be held liable for what they do as a human would.
I was sad to hear the chimp had been shot. I would have prefered they tranquilized it and put the chimp in some type of sanctuary.
Of course I do have a soft spot for animals in my heart.
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I think at that point they didn't have any choice but to kill him because he was about to kill more people, but I agree that if they could, it would have been much better to keep Travis alive.