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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: P J C on February 25, 2009, 08:06:16 PM
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Abortion is a very important spiritual issue that JTF needs to adress, and this poll is a good tool to do so. Thank You for voting!
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Please verify and explain why you made the choices that you did. I am personally against abortion if a female is raped.
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I picked the first option. Most of these times, when the "woman's life is in danger", it means she would be "traumatized" by going through a pregnancy.
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I picked the first option. Most of these times, when the "woman's life is in danger", it means she would be "traumatized" by going through a pregnancy.
There is a legitimate reason for abortion in cases when the life of the mother would be threatened. This always means that if the mother would allow the fetus to grow it would cause the mother to lose her life. In these cases the life of the mother outweighs the life of the fetus. This was established Halacha {Jewish Law} for a long, long time. I dont see any reason to change the Halacha.
Most cases the mother would be 'traumatized' by having the abortion. The women who I have talked to who did this really regret having it done, they have been traumatized.
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If it is an absolute life-or-death emergency (that without would cause both mother and fetus to die), then it would be an emergency surgery, not an "abortion" per se. But that is not what is generally meant when people say "the life or health of the woman is at stake".
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Like I said to Americanhero regarding rape victims, Murder is murder, and if a women really wants to do right by G-d, than she will endure the pregnancy and put the child up for adoption
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http://www.aish.com/societyWork/sciencenature/Abortion_in_Jewish_Law.asp
The traditional Jewish view of abortion does not fit conveniently into any of the major ",camps", in the current debate over abortion.
As abortion resurfaces as a political issue in the upcoming U.S. presidential election, it is worthwhile to investigate the Jewish approach to the issue. The traditional Jewish view of abortion does not fit conveniently into any of the major "camps" in the current American abortion debate. We neither ban abortion completely, nor do we allow indiscriminate abortion "on demand."
A woman may feel that until the fetus is born, it is a part of her body, and therefore she retains the right to abort an unwanted pregnancy. Does Judaism recognize a right to "choose" abortion? In what situations does Jewish law sanction abortion?
To gain a clear understanding of when abortion is permitted (or even required) and when it is forbidden requires an appreciation of certain nuances of halacha (Jewish law) which govern the status of the fetus.1
The easiest way to conceptualize a fetus in halacha is to imagine it as a full-fledged human being -- but not quite.2 In most circumstances, the fetus is treated like any other "person." Generally, one may not deliberately harm a fetus. But while it would seem obvious that Judaism holds accountable one who purposefully causes a woman to miscarry, sanctions are even placed upon one who strikes a pregnant woman causing an unintentional miscarriage.3 That is not to say that all rabbinical authorities consider abortion to be murder. The fact that the Torah requires a monetary payment for causing a miscarriage is interpreted by some Rabbis to indicate that abortion is not a capital crime4 and by others as merely indicating that one is not executed for performing an abortion, even though it is a type of murder.5 There is even disagreement regarding whether the prohibition of abortion is Biblical or Rabbinic. Nevertheless, it is universally agreed that the fetus will become a full-fledged human being and there must be a very compelling reason to allow for abortion.
As a general rule, abortion in Judaism is permitted only if there is a direct threat to the life of the mother by carrying the fetus to term or through the act of childbirth. In such a circumstance, the baby is considered tantamount to a rodef, a pursuer6 after the mother with the intent to kill her. Nevertheless, as explained in the Mishna,7 if it would be possible to save the mother by maiming the fetus, such as by amputating a limb, abortion would be forbidden. Despite the classification of the fetus as a pursuer, once the baby's head or most of its body has been delivered, the baby's life is considered equal to the mother's, and we may not choose one life over another, because it is considered as though they are both pursuing each other.
It is important to point out that the reason that the life of the fetus is subordinate to the mother is because the fetus is the cause of the mother's life-threatening condition, whether directly (e.g. due to toxemia, placenta previa, or breach position) or indirectly (e.g. exacerbation of underlying diabetes, kidney disease, or hypertension).8 A fetus may not be aborted to save the life of any other person whose life is not directly threatened by the fetus, such as use of fetal organs for transplant.
Judaism recognizes psychiatric as well as physical factors in evaluating the potential threat that the fetus poses to the mother. However, the danger posed by the fetus (whether physical or emotional) must be both probable and substantial to justify abortion.9 The degree of mental illness that must be present to justify termination of a pregnancy has been widely debated by rabbinic scholars,10 without a clear consensus of opinion regarding the exact criteria for permitting abortion in such instances.11 Nevertheless, all agree that were a pregnancy to causes a woman to become truly suicidal, there would be grounds for abortion.12 However, several modern rabbinical experts ruled that since pregnancy-induced and post-partum depressions are treatable, abortion is not warranted.13
As a rule, Jewish law does not assign relative values to different lives. Therefore, almost most major poskim (Rabbis qualified to decide matters of Jewish law) forbid abortion in cases of abnormalities or deformities found in a fetus. Rabbi Moshe Feinstein, one the greatest poskim of the past century, rules that even amniocentesis is forbidden if it is performed only to evaluate for birth defects for which the parents might request an abortion. Nevertheless, a test may be performed if a permitted action may result, such as performance of amniocentesis or drawing alpha-fetoprotein levels for improved peripartum or postpartum medical management.
While most poskim forbid abortion for "defective" fetuses, Rabbi Eliezar Yehuda Waldenberg is a notable exception. Rabbi Waldenberg allows first trimester abortion of a fetus that would be born with a deformity that would cause it to suffer, and termination of a fetus with a lethal fetal defect such as Tay Sachs up to the seventh month of gestation.14 The rabbinic experts also discuss the permissibility of abortion for mothers with German measles and babies with prenatal confirmed Down syndrome.
There is a difference of opinion regarding abortion for adultery or in other cases of impregnation from a relationship with someone Biblically forbidden. In cases of rape and incest, a key issue would be the emotional toll exacted from the mother in carrying the fetus to term. In cases of rape, Rabbi Shlomo Zalman Aurbach allows the woman to use methods which prevent pregnancy after intercourse.15 The same analysis used in other cases of emotional harm might be applied here. Cases of adultery interject additional considerations into the debate, with rulings ranging from prohibition to it being a mitzvah to abort.16
I have attempted to distill the essence of the traditional Jewish approach to abortion. Nevertheless, every woman's case is unique and special, and the parameters determining the permissibility of abortion within halacha are subtle and complex. It is crucial to remember that when faced with an actual patient, a competent halachic authority must be consulted in every case.
1 While there is debate among the Rabbis whether abortion is a Biblical or Rabbinical prohibition, all agree on the fundamental concept that fundamentally, abortion is only permitted to protect the life of the mother or in other extraordinary situations. Jewish law does not sanction abortion on demand without a pressing reason.
2 Igros Moshe, Choshen Mishpat II: 69B.
3 Shulchan Aruch, Choshen Mishpat, 423:1
4 Ashkenazi, Rabbi Yehuda, Be'er Hetiv, Choshen Mishpat 425:2
5 Igros Moshe, ibid
6 Maimonides, Mishneh Torah, Laws of Murder 1:9; Talmud Sanhedrin 72B
7 Oholos 7:6
8 See Steinberg, Dr. Abraham; Encyclopedia of Jewish Medical Ethics, "Abortion and Miscarriage," for an extensive discussion of the maternal indications for abortion.
9 Igros Moshe, ibid
10 See Encyclopedia of Jewish Medical Ethics. P. 10, for references.
11 See Spero, Moshe, Judaism and Psychology, pp. 168-180.
12 Zilberstein, Rabbi Yitzchak, Emek Halacha, Assia, Vol. 1, 1986, pp. 205-209.
13 Rabbi Shlomo Zalman Aurbach and Rabbi Yehoshua Neuwirth cited in English Nishmat Avraham, Choshen Mishpat, 425:11, p. 288.
14 Tzitz Eliezer, Volume 13:102.
15 Rabbi Shlomo Zalman Aurbach and Rabbi Yehoshua Neuwirth cited in English Nishmat Avraham, Choshen Mishpat, 425:23, p. 294.
16 See excellent chapter in English Nishmat Avraham, Choshen Mishpat, 425 by Dr. Abraham Abraham, particularly p. 293.
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Who said "It should be performed with No questions asked"? Who is going to need some spiritual evaluation?
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Erica maybe? Has she signed back up as another poster?
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I might get some heat for this.. but I think a woman has the right to abort the baby if she was a victim of rape. If I had a wife that was raped (G-d forbid), I would support her if she wanted an abortion.
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I might get some heat for this.. but I think a woman has the right to abort the baby if she was a victim of rape. If I had a wife that was raped (G-d forbid), I would support her if she wanted an abortion.
I agree with you Vito
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The only exception should be a tubal pregnancy.
That is what I voted for.
Shalom Dox
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Only when a mother's life is truly in danger. Basically, only if the choice becomes whether the mother lives or the unborn baby lives. With no realistic way of saving both.
I'm totally against abortions under any other circumstance.
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I think you need to add an option for first trimester being allowable. (Just playing the devils advocate here)
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I voted only when the woman's life is in danger. If a rape victim becomes pregnant, I think that the guy who committed the crime should be forced to pay the victim a lot of money.
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I don't believe in aborting a baby in the case of rape because you're executing the wrong person.
I think the baby is innocent and deserves to be protected just as any other baby would.
I support terminating a pregnancy only when the mother's life is in serious risk such as in the case of an ectopic pregnancy.
One of the major reasons that people have abortions is because of anomalies or defects. From reading a lot of stories online it always seems like those families who choose to carry a baby to term who has a condition incompatible with life usually feel better about their decision than a family that chooses to terminate the pregnancy. They say they feel as if it was worth it to let their baby live for a day, or a few hours, and for the mother and other family to bond with the child while it was in the womb. I was reading a story like this earlier today about a baby with trisomy 13. Just a day after the baby was born, he died of brain stem death, but in his short life he was loved and cared for by his family.
Most of the time doctors seem to pressure families or coerce them into having abortions. Sometimes insurance companies try to label fetal defects as preexisting conditions and say they'll cover an abortion but not the baby's needed medical care after birth.
I think this is one of the things that needs to be changed, the culture of medicine that requires babies to be perfect in order to reduce liability to themselves.
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The life of a woman is somewhat more valuable than the life of an unborn baby. Therefore, I think if carrying a baby to term would pose the risk of death for the mother, an abortion may be permissable. This is the Jewish view.
Having said that, the cases of a mother being in grave danger from a pregnancy is rare, so abortions should not be commonplace. There was a time in the not too distant past when childbirth was actually a very dangerous activity. This is no longer the case.
For all of those people who say that "it's her body, she should decide what to do with her body.", I would say that it's not her body, it's IN her body.
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I chose, when the woman's life is in danger.
I have to agree with what Ruby said. That aborting the baby that is a result of a rape; is punishing the wrong person.
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The life of a woman is somewhat more valuable than the life of an unborn baby. Therefore, I think if carrying a baby to term would pose the risk of death for the mother, an abortion may be permissable. This is the Jewish view.
Having said that, the cases of a mother being in grave danger from a pregnancy is rare, so abortions should not be commonplace. There was a time in the not too distant past when childbirth was actually a very dangerous activity. This is no longer the case.
For all of those people who say that "it's her body, she should decide what to do with her body.", I would say that it's not her body, it's IN her body.
Also, our bodies belong to G-d, not to ourselves.
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I think abortion should be allowable while the fetus is still undeveloped. I would set a time frame of may be 30-40 days where it would be allowable and under the sole consideration of the pregnant woman.
After that time frame the carrier should not be given sole responsibility for terminating the unborn. There must be a very serious medical reason that threatens the mother. Or, if the unborn is going to be suffering from a terminal disease, or a sever disability I think it is best to terminate it.
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I only have one question to anyone who is against it in cases of rape. How many of you have daughters? Things are not always as clear cut as they may seem to be with this issue.
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I only have one question to anyone who is against it in cases of rape. How many of you have daughters? Things are not always as clear cut as they may seem to be with this issue.
Yes I agree
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I only have one question to anyone who is against it in cases of rape. How many of you have daughters? Things are not always as clear cut as they may seem to be with this issue.
Like I said, a baby should not be MURDERED if it is not necessary for the PHYSICAL health of the Mother.
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I choose only if the womans life is in danger and I choose this because if the woman looses her life chances are the child will also die and a decision has to be made to save the woman's life.
I also want to bring up a point about an abortion survivor. When I was listening to PJC's great video I noticed another video of an abortion survivor named Gianna Jessen. For those who don't know who she is she is an advocate against partial birth abortion. There was an attempt to abort here when her mother was 7 1/2 months pregnant. She was born in an abortion clinic. I checked out her videos on youtube and I was shocked at the vicious evil remarks made about her. Remarks such as "the world would be a better place if you were aborted", and "she's racist because she is against Obamas' pro abortion stance" etc. Here are the links to her video. I ask that you go comment on all her videos in support of her and flag the SOB's making these horrible remarks about her so that maybe they will loose their accounts.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPF1FhCMPuQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8B1nKGIAeg&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tgd6tvLub9E&feature=related
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the strict Jewish belief is that abortions are only allowed when the fetus is a rodef..meaning that it is endagering the mother's life.
My opinion, which counts for nothing, is that a rape victim should be allowed to be given that option of abortion or going through the full pregnancy term and deciding to give that child up for adoption or keeping it as her own child. I feel that today, most women are not perfect enough to lead a normal life if they were forced to give birth to a child as a result of rape. I just think forcing her to do so would be terribly wrong and doesn't serve the greater good. By the way, this isn't the strict Jewish perspective. The rabbis in their infinite wisdom agreed that abortions would be inappropriate even if a woman were raped--but if I'm wrong on this detail let me know.
As far as the US is concerned, I feel it is wrong to get politicians involved in allowing or disallowing a certain medical treatment. In a nation like the US which is not based on a specific theology three people shoudl be involved when a woman is deciding on whether she shoudl keep a fetus: Herself, her physician, and a spiritual leader of her choosing. All three need to choose life over death and be thoughtful on how to save the fetus's life. Obviously, in my opinion, the mother's life is more important to the fetus when it comes down to life and death.
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I only have one question to anyone who is against it in cases of rape. How many of you have daughters? Things are not always as clear cut as they may seem to be with this issue.
Killing your granddaughter or grandson is not ok. I don't think a woman should have to raise that child if she doesn't want to, but she shouldn't kill it.
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I only have one question to anyone who is against it in cases of rape. How many of you have daughters? Things are not always as clear cut as they may seem to be with this issue.
Killing your granddaughter or grandson is not ok. I don't think a woman should have to raise that child if she doesn't want to, but she shouldn't kill it.
Terminating a pregnancy at a very early stage is not killing, it's preventing.
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Allow it if the Women would be in danger or her dignity is under danger. Or if the child to be born is known to be born with severe abnormalities. Some would say people would fake these things to get abortions done, but i would say there are also people who get acquitted by criminal charges falsely and then get sentences. Then we should also demand banning of prisons,but we cant!
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I only have one question to anyone who is against it in cases of rape. How many of you have daughters? Things are not always as clear cut as they may seem to be with this issue.
Killing your granddaughter or grandson is not ok. I don't think a woman should have to raise that child if she doesn't want to, but she shouldn't kill it.
Terminating a pregnancy at a very early stage is not killing, it's preventing.
I would disagree with that because at the 8 cell stage, the baby is already growing.
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Allow it if the Women would be in danger or her dignity is under danger. Or if the child to be born is known to be born with severe abnormalities. Some would save people would fake these things to get abortions done, but i would say there are also people who get acquitted by criminal charges falsely and then get sentences. Then we should also demand banning for prisons,but we cant!
Why should a deformed baby be killed? They should be able to be born too. Disabled people are still people.
In the USA there is a channel called The Learning Channel, and it has a lot of specials about people with various deformities or genetic problems. These shows portray a picture of a life with struggles, but also are usually uplifting in the sense that these people learn to live with their limitations and learn to find joy in life in spite of them.
There's no reason why babies have to be formed a certain way, they can be born deformed and still live fulfilling lives.
I like this quote from the following video:
"Some people are the same, some people are different, some people are short, some people are tall"
This is a video of a girl named Shiloh Peppin, if her mother would have followed your philosophy, she'd be dead:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8okYhcRwrgY
I think she's a beautiful little girl and even though her legs are deformed I think she deserved to live.
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But as long as it is just a blob of cells with no consciousness, no nerves at all, it can;t possibly be harmed.
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Allow it if the Women would be in danger or her dignity is under danger. Or if the child to be born is known to be born with severe abnormalities. Some would save people would fake these things to get abortions done, but i would say there are also people who get acquitted by criminal charges falsely and then get sentences. Then we should also demand banning for prisons,but we cant!
Why should a deformed baby be killed? They should be able to be born too. Disabled people are still people.
In the USA there is a channel called The Learning Channel, and it has a lot of specials about people with various deformities or genetic problems. These shows portray a picture of a life with struggles, but also are usually uplifting in the sense that these people learn to live with their limitations and learn to find joy in life in spite of them.
There's no reason why babies have to be formed a certain way, they can be born deformed and still live fulfilling lives.
I like this quote from the following video:
"Some people are the same, some people are different, some people are short, some people are tall"
This is a video of a girl named Shiloh Peppin, if her mother would have followed your philosophy, she'd be dead:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8okYhcRwrgY
I think she's a beautiful little girl and even though her legs are deformed I think she deserved to live.
I can see your point if it is just a deformity with no serious health issues. On the other hand there are genetic diseases that assure a short miserable life. I think in such cases it is just cruel to continue with pregnancy.
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But as long as it is just a blob of cells with no consciousness, no nerves at all, it can;t possibly be harmed.
It's already a living organism, a unique entity separate from the mother. That "blob of cells" begins to look like a baby pretty quickly.
6 weeks
http://www.babycenter.com/fetal-development-images-6-weeks
8 weeks
http://www.babycenter.com/fetal-development-images-8-weeks
A lot of women don't know they're pregnant until the baby's already been in there for 8 weeks.
Here's 10 weeks
http://www.babycenter.com/fetal-development-images-10-weeks
There's 12 weeks:
http://www.babycenter.com/fetal-development-images-12-weeks
Rememember 12 weeks is at the end of the first trimester, when most abortions happen.
This is what a baby looks like at the 6 month mark, the end of the second trimester.
http://www.babycenter.com/fetal-development-images-24-weeks
This is just at the edge of when a baby could live outside the womb with medical intervention.
My point is it doesn't take very long at all for a baby to start looking like a baby and it was a baby from the very beginning.
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Allow it if the Women would be in danger or her dignity is under danger. Or if the child to be born is known to be born with severe abnormalities. Some would save people would fake these things to get abortions done, but i would say there are also people who get acquitted by criminal charges falsely and then get sentences. Then we should also demand banning for prisons,but we cant!
Why should a deformed baby be killed? They should be able to be born too. Disabled people are still people.
In the USA there is a channel called The Learning Channel, and it has a lot of specials about people with various deformities or genetic problems. These shows portray a picture of a life with struggles, but also are usually uplifting in the sense that these people learn to live with their limitations and learn to find joy in life in spite of them.
There's no reason why babies have to be formed a certain way, they can be born deformed and still live fulfilling lives.
I like this quote from the following video:
"Some people are the same, some people are different, some people are short, some people are tall"
This is a video of a girl named Shiloh Peppin, if her mother would have followed your philosophy, she'd be dead:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8okYhcRwrgY
I think she's a beautiful little girl and even though her legs are deformed I think she deserved to live.
well i would only support it if its severe, like baby born with multiple fractures all over his/her body,i forgot the name of the disease. Other like babies born with 2 heads, 3 limbs..etc
According to Hindu Karmic religious laws babies should not be killed no matter what. But still i support in severe cases, cause i have seen how people live with those disabilities. :'(
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I can see your point if it is just a deformity with no serious health issues. On the other hand there are genetic diseases that assure a short miserable life. I think in such cases it is just cruel to continue with pregnancy.
There are conditions that doctors say are incompatible with life but babies defy the odds. Shiloh's case was one of those. Most babies with sirenomelia die in the womb or shortly after birth. Yet there are at least three people in the world today including her who have survived. The other two got their legs separated and are going to live normal lives. It's God's will when a child dies, it's not up to the parents to decide that.
There's also another baby named Samuel who is featured here:
http://deenyssimplejoys.blogspot.com/2008/07/update-on-miracle-baby-samuel-born-with.html
He was born with a type of severe dwarfism called Thanatophoric dysplasia. Some of you may have heard about this condition from the Sun Hudson case in Houston that was going on around the same time as Terri Schiavo. Doctors say this is "Always fatal", "incompatible with life", and even "inappropriate to treat".
Yet this little boy is three years old already. He's a survivor!
The right thing to do is to have faith in God and leave it in His hands.
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well i would only support it if its severe, like baby born with multiple fractures all over his/her body,i forgot the name of the disease. Other like babies born with 2 heads, 3 limbs..etc
According to Hindu Karmic religious laws babies should not be killed no matter what. But still i support in severe cases, cause i have seen how people live with those disabilities. :'(
Babies born with extra limbs? That's not all that severe. What about the little babies born with extra limbs that can be treated? A lot of times it's just a parasitic twin that can be removed, or the extra limbs can be removed. That's one of the mildest things I can think of.
Also why would you have wanted the Hensel twins to die? They have to share a body but they still live a happy life with school, friends, driving, etc.
Please watch this video, it's very inspiring:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BkKWApOAG2g
They say "The best thing about being conjoined twins is there's always someone to talk to and you're never alone".
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I once posed the question and got no response so I'll try again. In the case of rape, what about the "morning after" pill? It's purpose is to prevent a woman from getting pregnant.
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I once posed the question and got no response so I'll try again. In the case of rape, what about the "morning after" pill? It's purpose is to prevent a woman from getting pregnant.
If taken early enough it prevents a pregnancy. If a pregnancy has already implanted, it's not supposed to cause an abortion. In the case of rape I agree with the morning after pill.
I agree with this because most conceptus don't implant anyway. Once a pregnancy has started, I think it's murder to terminate it. Also I think it's wrong to create a conceptus in a lab and then kill it.
However in this case I think it's good to prevent the pregnancy from occurring.
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I once posed the question and got no response so I'll try again. In the case of rape, what about the "morning after" pill? It's purpose is to prevent a woman from getting pregnant.
If taken early enough it prevents a pregnancy. If a pregnancy has already implanted, it's not supposed to cause an abortion. In the case of rape I agree with the morning after pill.
I agree with this because most conceptus don't implant anyway. Once a pregnancy has started, I think it's murder to terminate it. Also I think it's wrong to create a conceptus in a lab and then kill it.
However in this case I think it's good to prevent the pregnancy from occurring.
rubystars, you have the right idea here.
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But as long as it is just a blob of cells with no consciousness, no nerves at all, it can;t possibly be harmed.
It's already a living organism, a unique entity separate from the mother. That "blob of cells" begins to look like a baby pretty quickly.
6 weeks
http://www.babycenter.com/fetal-development-images-6-weeks
8 weeks
http://www.babycenter.com/fetal-development-images-8-weeks
A lot of women don't know they're pregnant until the baby's already been in there for 8 weeks.
Here's 10 weeks
http://www.babycenter.com/fetal-development-images-10-weeks
There's 12 weeks:
http://www.babycenter.com/fetal-development-images-12-weeks
Rememember 12 weeks is at the end of the first trimester, when most abortions happen.
This is what a baby looks like at the 6 month mark, the end of the second trimester.
http://www.babycenter.com/fetal-development-images-24-weeks
This is just at the edge of when a baby could live outside the womb with medical intervention.
My point is it doesn't take very long at all for a baby to start looking like a baby and it was a baby from the very beginning.
Then I would set the limit at 8 weeks after that abortion should only be carried if there is a danger to the mother or if the baby is severely sick or disabled.
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I chose Only if a women is raped or her life is threatened!
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I support women reproductive rights and think that abortion in the 1 trimester is not a murder. After the fetus is formed, .i.e. after the 1st trimester, the abortion should be done only for rape victims or due to a health condition.
Most women who want abortion, should have them.
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rubystars, you have the right idea here.
Thanks Dr. Dan. I already told my family if (God forbid) anything like that happens to me and I'm not in my right mind to think about what to do and they're able to help me, to please get me some Plan B. I explained that it's not an abortion, it prevents a pregnancy from starting.
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I voted for this "Only if a women is raped or her life is threatened"
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on a different subject, people here who are not Jewish or simply unaware, is that sperm is something very important and that it shouldn't ever be wasted... SO if you can imagine the concern many religious Jews have of "spilling thy seed"...what if it were a fetus. Perhaps a religious here can explain this concept in a little more detail than i'm capable of doing.
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I'd like to see the four individuals who voted for option B fess up and identify themselves.
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I'd like to see the four individuals who voted for option B fess up and identify themselves.
Absolutely!
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In the elementary school we had to see a film called "Néme Sikoly, in English: Silent cry" it was against the abortion, but it was banned, because over 18 and too "horroristic". >:(
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I voted for life danger and case of rape,
but i think that the poll is not comprehensive enough,
I think each case of a request for abortion should be judged separately,
Generally, I am against abortion, but sometimes stupid teens get pregnant, with no financial abilities, with no family support, nothing,
and she will have to raise the child god knows how, think about the baby that will born, why should he be miserable because of the stupidity
of his parents?
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I voted for life danger and case of rape,
but i think that the poll is not comprehensive enough,
I think each case of a request for abortion should be judged separately,
Generally, I am against abortion, but sometimes stupid teens get pregnant, with no financial abilities, with no family support, nothing,
and she will have to raise the child G-d knows how, think about the baby that will born, why should he be miserable because of the stupidity
of his parents?
It's better to be alive and poor than to be burned to death with saline solution or sucked out with a vacuum and torn to shreds.
Also these mothers could put their babies up for adoption if they can't afford them, and try to use some birth control methods next time.
A simple layer of latex could prevent many abortions if people would just use it.
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I voted for life danger and case of rape,
but i think that the poll is not comprehensive enough,
I think each case of a request for abortion should be judged separately,
Generally, I am against abortion, but sometimes stupid teens get pregnant, with no financial abilities, with no family support, nothing,
and she will have to raise the child G-d knows how, think about the baby that will born, why should he be miserable because of the stupidity
of his parents?
It's better to be alive and poor than to be burned to death with saline solution or sucked out with a vacuum and torn to shreds.
Also these mothers could put their babies up for adoption if they can't afford them, and try to use some birth control methods next time.
A simple layer of latex could prevent many abortions if people would just use it.
yeah easy for you to say so, I wanna see you living in a paper box, begging for few cents and saying its better than dying
(and i am not sure about how much painful the abortion is for the fetus )