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The Worldwide Crisis of Islam => The Truth About Islam => Topic started by: azrom on March 21, 2007, 05:52:53 PM
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An Indonesian court has sentenced three Muslim militants to jail for beheading three Christian schoolgirls in Central Sulawesi in 2005.
Hasanuddin, 34, was given 20 years for planning the attack, while two accomplices were given 14 years.
Hasanuddin had earlier told the court he helped plan the attack but rejected allegations he masterminded it.
The beheading of the girls, attacked as they walked to school in Poso in 2005, drew international condemnation.
It also fanned tensions in Sulawesi, where Muslim-Christian violence has continued despite a 2002 peace deal.
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Last Updated: Wednesday, 21 March 2007, 09:30 GMT E-mail this to a friend Printable version Indonesians jailed for beheadings Indonesian Hasanuddin at court in Jakarta, 8/11/06 Hasanuddin has admitted his involvement in the attacks An Indonesian court has sentenced three Muslim militants to jail for beheading three Christian schoolgirls in Central Sulawesi in 2005.
Hasanuddin, 34, was given 20 years for planning the attack, while two accomplices were given 14 years.
Hasanuddin had earlier told the court he helped plan the attack but rejected allegations he masterminded it.
The beheading of the girls, attacked as they walked to school in Poso in 2005, drew international condemnation.
It also fanned tensions in Sulawesi, where Muslim-Christian violence has continued despite a 2002 peace deal.
Recent tensions
Hasanuddin’s denial was rejected by chief judge Binsar Siregar, who said: “The accused was proven to plan and move other people to carry out terror acts.”
The court in Jakarta was also told that Hasanuddin had left a message next to the severed heads of the girls, saying: “A life for a life. A head for a head”.
A separate court sentenced defendants Irwanto Irano and Lilik Purwanto to 14 years each.
Speaking before his sentencing, Hasanuddin said going to jail did not concern him.
“It’s not a problem (if I am being sentenced to prison) because this is a part of our struggle. What will become a problem is if our brothers decide to get revenge,” he said.
The three girls were attacked as they walked to the private Christian school near their home in Poso. One of their heads was discovered outside a church.
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http://inverted-world.com/index.php/news/news/indonesians_jailed_for_beheadings/
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They themselfs should be beheaded to sentence is too light
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What motivates a person to do such a thing?!
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We can't apply human standards to these animals.
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These animals need to be dipped in pig fat and castrated. And thats just being light on them.
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cosmokramer if we do that to them we are as bad as them.
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Radical Muslims only understand force. Force should be used.
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What motivates a person to do such a thing?!
Islam is the motive.... Mohammad, may piss be upon him, did the same thing.... But than again "Islam is a religion of "peace"". Perhaps it is a "cultural" thing cutting off the heads of the unbelievers... Most "enlightened" university professors would argue that it was a genetic disorder which makes Muslims cut off heads and therefore they are not responsible for their actions because "they were born that way".
What a vile religion....
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Its easy for you to say. You are able to judge the it in a different light.
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Muslims are animals. Their attacks on Western Civilized nations should never be forgotten nor forgiven. Islam is a sick spin-off of Judaism. Mohammad, from what I hear, studied Judaism/Christianity and then put his own sick twist on it. The Arabian nations were much more peaceful under paganism and/or another abrahamic faith (such as chirstianity or judaism)
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Actually, you are very correct. If one delves into Islamic history one can directly compare many of the twisted.....that is twisted.....aspects of both Judaism and, to some aspect, Christianity. The most blatant fact is that Islam is so molested with ancient paganism and the gnostic occultic type philosophies that it is less a "sister" faith to Judaism or Christianity. The entire concept of the hajj and the kaaba stone is pagan and much within their Quraan is twisted Talmudic teachings with pure paganism. If one wishes to see specific details of pagan aspects within Islam one only needs to research the great Occultist and Religious Philosopher Manly P. Hall's "The Secret Teachings of All Ages", "The Mystics of Islam" or other works. Granted that this 33rd degree Free Mason is pro-Occult and Mysticism while he displays many facts of early Persian, Asian, Egyptian, Greek and Arabian Esoteric Occultism....from which Islam stems...
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How is Hajj similar to paganism. People take the pilgrimage to different levels, its just meant to be a holy act of worship that involves retracing the footsteps of Muhammed s.a.w and repeating praises to God. The black stone is meant to be a holy reminisence and is defintly NOT meant to be prayed to or considered too great. Its just the remains of the story.
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Hajj is one of my favorite Fuslim events.
Watching the foul smelling Fuslim braindead buttclowns stampede each other into the Meccaca dirt always brings a smile to my face. And the Hajj Fuslims really are foul smelling, as they are prohibited from bathing or changing their shoes during their Hajj journey.
Combine not bathing and wiping your butt with pebbles (can't remember if they're supposed to use the right or left hand or an even or odd amount of pebbles :D) and you can imagine the stench emanating from the Mohammedan Morons.
I'm thinking if a human could get close enough to this event without puking his brains out, he could do the world a favor by handing out exploding pebbles for the Fuslims to throw and cleated sandals to increase the efficiency of the ensuing stampede.
Any individual that admires the mass murderer, pedophile, serial rapist, misogynist, liar, thief, terrorist Mo and attempts to emulate the dirtbag can't possibly be a decent, moral person.
When dealing with Fuslims one must always think in terms of security, never peace.
Fuslims should be encourage to kill each other, because when Fuslims are busy killing each other they have less time to murder humans.
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Firstly, I judge people in the same light as they should be; by their deeds. What is it with you anyway? Islam is responsible for 100% of World Terrorism today yet you are blinded to it. Your co-religionists are and is involved in 15 of the major conflicts, out of 16, on Earth today? I suppose Achmedinajad in Iran, the House of Saud, Saudi Arabia and every other Muslim nation are not "Muslims"? Do you see anyone else from any other faith quoting out of their holy books while they cut off heads, blowing themselves up, rallying by the hundreds of thousands for Jihad yelling "bomb bomb UK", "Death to America", "Death to Britain", "Death to Israel", "Death to the Jews", cutting their heads with knives and letting blood flow down their faces as they rally to Jihad....run to Hizbollah, Hamas, Fatah, PLO, PLA, Al Quaida, Al Aqza....etc... Oh I forgot all religions lead to G-d and all are "equal" and "peaceful" and all have mass terrorist movements? No....you don't.......ONLY that deprave sandspider cult: ISLAM!
Perhaps if you researched more into your religion and its history you might come around, especially that murderous, rapist savage "prophet" Mohammed. Do you really believe Islam spread through out the world by "peace" and peaceful missionary work? That would be as big a lie, if not greater, than the Bolistian Beoble occupying the "West Bank" (which of course does not exist either)
It is perfectly acceptable to Judge others...... Righteous people deserve blessings.....Charrah deserve .......
Tabari VII:97 - "The morning after the murder of Ashraf, the Prophet declared, ‘Kill any Jew who falls under your power.'"
Bukhari:V1B1N6 - "Just issue orders to kill every Jew in the country."
Tabari VIII:38 - "The Messenger of Allah commanded that all of the Jewish men and boys who had reached puberty should be beheaded. Then the Prophet divided the wealth, wives, and children of the Banu Qurayza Jews among the Muslims."
Perhaps murder, expansionism, rape, intolerance, hatred, lies, deceit must be a cultural thing? Perhaps people can be "born" terrorists? Perhaps it is a mass chemical imbalance that causes Muslims to flock to Jihad against all free, non Islamic nations and use their billions of oil revenues against every free democracy? Perhaps it is the pressures from man’s increased emissions of CO2 causing Global Warming that causes Muslims to act this way? I wonder why “The Protocols of the Elders of Zion” and “Mein Kempf”, after 60 years of “progress”, are still the most read literature within the Islamic World to the point of its "teachings" being embedded within Islamic school curriculum...of course....next to the Quraan? I wonder why there are next to no Muslims speaking out within the Islamic World against Jihad, terrorism, the fabricated "Palestinian People" and their genocidal goal of "Kill the Jew" and "Destroy Israel"?
G-d willing Ol-Whitey finally wakes up to the lies they are told by their Socialist/Liberal/Fascist leaders about Islam…. Islam comes from the primitive desert dwellers of Arabia, that is where it should have remained. Islam is unfit to remain in the civilized world. It is a totally vulgar primitive molestation of many ideologies and is only comparable Nazism......period, end, full stop.
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Firstly, I judge people in the same light as they should be; by their deeds. What is it with you anyway? Islam is responsible for 100% of World Terrorism today yet you are blinded to it. Your co-religionists are and is involved in 15 of the major conflicts, out of 16, on Earth today? I suppose Achmedinajad in Iran, the House of Saud, Saudi Arabia and every other Muslim nation are not "Muslims"? Do you see anyone else from any other faith quoting out of their holy books while they cut off heads, blowing themselves up, rallying by the hundreds of thousands for Jihad yelling "bomb bomb UK", "Death to America", "Death to Britain", "Death to Israel", "Death to the Jews", cutting their heads with knives and letting blood flow down their faces as they rally to Jihad....run to Hizbollah, Hamas, Fatah, PLO, PLA, Al Quaida, Al Aqza....etc... Oh I forgot all religions lead to G-d and all are "equal" and "peaceful" and all have mass terrorist movements? No....you don't.......ONLY that deprave sandspider cult: ISLAM!
Perhaps if you researched more into your religion and its history you might come around, especially that murderous, rapist savage "prophet" Mohammed. Do you really believe Islam spread through out the world by "peace" and peaceful missionary work? That would be as big a lie, if not greater, than the Bolistian Beoble occupying the "West Bank" (which of course does not exist either)
It is perfectly acceptable to Judge others...... Righteous people deserve blessings.....Charrah deserve .......
Tabari VII:97 - "The morning after the murder of Ashraf, the Prophet declared, ‘Kill any Jew who falls under your power.'"
Bukhari:V1B1N6 - "Just issue orders to kill every Jew in the country."
Tabari VIII:38 - "The Messenger of Allah commanded that all of the Jewish men and boys who had reached puberty should be beheaded. Then the Prophet divided the wealth, wives, and children of the Banu Qurayza Jews among the Muslims."
Perhaps murder, expansionism, rape, intolerance, hatred, lies, deceit must be a cultural thing? Perhaps people can be "born" terrorists? Perhaps it is a mass chemical imbalance that causes Muslims to flock to Jihad against all free, non Islamic nations and use their billions of oil revenues against every free democracy? Perhaps it is the pressures from man’s increased emissions of CO2 causing Global Warming that causes Muslims to act this way? I wonder why “The Protocols of the Elders of Zion” and “Mein Kempf”, after 60 years of “progress”, are still the most read literature within the Islamic World to the point of its "teachings" being embedded within Islamic school curriculum...of course....next to the Quraan? I wonder why there are next to no Muslims speaking out within the Islamic World against Jihad, terrorism, the fabricated "PLO/Hamas Arab Muslim Nazi People" and their genocidal goal of "Kill the Jew" and "Destroy Israel"?
G-d willing Ol-Whitey finally wakes up to the lies they are told by their Socialist/Liberal/Fascist leaders about Islam…. Islam comes from the primitive desert dwellers of Arabia, that is where it should have remained. Islam is unfit to remain in the civilized world. It is a totally vulgar primitive molestation of many ideologies and is only comparable Nazism......period, end, full stop.
I know....i'm sorry....
I just can't understand how i believed it was the truth. How everyone i know has so much faith in it. We ALL think we are right. Think we were born specially into the RIGHT and TRUTHFUL religion. Even people who commit dire sins can believe they are going to heaven.
That loyality i had built up inside me, came from somewhere, and i don't want to let go.
I have made an excuse for all the evil things that muslims around the world do. But that in itself is an excuse for me to cover up the truth i suppose.
Marzutra, you quoted from Buhkari and Tabari but who narrated those hadith? Whats the webbie...
I mean, Marzutra, we don't know if we are right or wrong. If we have chosen wisely, controlled our actions.......we can only find out in the after-life. IF there even is such a thing! I know it sounds crazy..and it is. But we believe in things we cannot see and thats the enormity and powerfulness of it all!
You cannot just lead a life where you say to yourself, you'll be righteous. For every prayer i miss, a little voice at the back of my head tells me ........thats one level deeper in gehonim.
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FFS Sarah. Are you a Muslim or aren't you? ::)
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FOTL: It's hard when you realise something that you've believed in for a long time is wrong, just leave her alone.
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FOTL: It's hard when you realise something that you've believed in for a long time is wrong, just leave her alone.
She doesn't believe that Islam is wrong. She is completely morally relative about it, justifying it on occasion.
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You are right we all do believe to be correct, but logic and morality have to take place here some place no? Is it logic and moral to murder children, rape women, stab people and cut off their heads in the name of G-d and quoting passages within the bible? The answer is no? These people are either evil or the faith itself is evil. The fact that the Quraan sanctions, demands war against and submission of the infidel until the entire world is dar Al Islam dictates to me that there is no tolerance whatsoever, no free will, just followers for an entire world under Dar Al Islam ruled by some tyrant.
The principals of Judaism demands only Israel be Jewish not the World and Jews lead a moral life: "Love they neighbor as thyself....that is Torah...go learn it"- Hillel the elder. The fact that there would be no such thing as ethical-morality or one sole G-d if Moses hadn't given the Torah to the Jews at Mt. Sinai dictates something especially when I know of no Jewish Terrorist groups that are out blowing themselves up, highjacking plains, bombing trains, murdering school children, massacring families and raping innocent women all in the name of their religion/G-d...
Logic must appear some place no? It wasn't Christianity, Judaism or Hinduism that allowed virtually the entire planet, with exception to the Muslim world, to be a police state with massive amounts of dollars to be spent on searching people for bombs etc.? If Islam was truly a religion of peace would you expect infidels/kufar to have the same freedoms and rights you yourself now have in Dar al Harb/Britain afforded to them in Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Egypt, Syria, Yemen, Libya, Algeria, Morocco, Iraq etc. etc.? Where are the Muslims to speak on behalf of the Kuffar who would like to visit Mecca? Perhaps build a sea side cottage on the beautiful coast of Yemen? Where is the Churches or Synagogues in Arabia? They'd get their heads cut off and their houses of worship destroyed or desecrated into mosques or garbage dumps like the Holy Western Wall and all the Jewish Holy places had been for 1400 years and most especially between 1948-1967 under Jordanian rule. Is that "peaceful"? Is that "tolerant"?
What a sick, vile, disgusting faith.....
Qur'an 9:71 "O Prophet, strive hard [fight] against the unbelievers and the Hypocrites, and be harsh with them. Their abode is Hell, an evil refuge indeed."
Qur'an 9:5 “Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.”
Qur'an 5:51 "Believers, take not Jews and Christians for your friends."
Qur'an 8:12 "Your Lord inspired the angels with the message: ‘I will terrorize the unbelievers. Therefore smite them on their necks and every joint and incapacitate them. Strike off their heads and cut off each of their fingers and toes."
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I've got the Quran right here in front of me and i'll post what the "written"-in a book version- says:
Qur'an 9:71 "O Prophet, strive hard [fight] against the unbelievers and the Hypocrites, and be harsh with them. Their abode is Hell, an evil refuge indeed."
"The believers, men and women, are Auliya(helpers, supporters, friends, protectors) of one another; they enjoin on the people Al-Maruf(Islamic monotheism) and forbid people from polytheism and disbelief of all kinds, they perform as-salat and give charity and obey Allah and His Messenger. Allah will have his mercy on them. Surely Allah is mighty All-Wise"9:71
I'm not sure where you got yours from. If its the internet, then i suggest checking it out in the Quran itself, there could be anything out there.
Qur'an 9:5 “Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.”
Read the Story. You decontextualised it. But it is referring to a time at war at when you quoted it, yours said "disbelievers", when in fact it says MUSHRIKUN, which means Idolaters and referred to the Arabians who worshipped Idols, not the Kitabi, like yourself who believe in the book.
Qur'an 5:51 "Believers, take not Jews and Christians for your friends."[quote/]
Yep this ayah is pretty much precisely what it says infront of me. Except it goes onto say "....and if any amongst you takes them as friends, then surely he is one of the."
Qur'an 8:12 "Your Lord inspired the angels with the message: ‘I will terrorize the unbelievers. Therefore smite them on their necks and every joint and incapacitate them. Strike off their heads and cut off each of their fingers and toes.
Here it says, quite the same but yours is worded a lot differently:
" Remember when your Lord revealed to the angels, "Verily, I am with you, so keep firm those who have believed. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who have disbelieved, so strike them over the necks, and smite over all their fingers and toes,"
Yes, this is advocating a lot of violence.
You, the jews and Christians are considered Believers of the Book.
FFS Sarah. Are you a Muslim or aren't you?
Whats FFS?
She doesn't believe that Islam is wrong
Its nice to know that you think you can announce what i believe and don't believe.
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Its nice to know that you think you can announce what i believe and don't believe.
You're doing a fine job of announcing your love for the 'Holy Koran' without any of my intervention. :) I remember when you were saying here on the forum that you were a lost soul, that you had really dropped Islam and that you were looking for friends and spiritual support. Now I recognize that you are just a shyster trying, for some insane reason, to reconcile gentiles to Islam on a Jewish website.
Now off you go and destroy Britain and make life hell for the Kuffar, that's what Tony Blair let you in for. :)
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Good day Sarah, The Qur'an quotations are comprised of the five most universally recognized Muslim translations: Ahmed Ali (the most contemporary), Pickthal, Yusuf Ali, Shakir, and the Noble Qur'an by Khan (the most literal, the most prevalent in mosques, and the most often quoted in the book). All five translations are available in parallel here: http://www.prophetofdoom.net/Islamic_Quotes.Islam.
I suppose I could have went to: http://www.islamicity.com/mosque/Surai.htm which displays similar quotes but has some which are "progressive" and some ideally accurate and word for word with those from above. Well 2 out of 4 in accuracy aren't bad considering... ;)
The fact is that Islam decrees war with the Infidel nations until the entire Earth is Dar al-Islam... How do you think Islam spread? The Muslims blame the British, Americans and most of all the Israelis as "Imperialists". Should that be the case the Muslims should all give up their dozens of nations and return to the sands of Arabia, considering every other nation today that is Islamic was taken by Imperialism and conquest.
Why is it that one doesn't see Christians, Jews or any other out massacring children or committing acts of terrorism or using their lobby groups to destroy other cultures here in the free West? The Lebanon, the massacres against the Muslims, which were blamed on the Jews, was actually the Lebanese Christians taking their rightful revenge on all those evil Islamic savages that had rolled in from Syria raping, murdering robbing the once Christian population...... This is the deprave culture of Islam and the religion of Islam at work. I suggest you move back to Saudi Arabia, Syria, Yemen or any of those [censored] holes and see what real Islamic culture is like.... That is enough for anyone to leave the "religion of peace"...
Quraan 9:29. "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."
Quraan 4:157. "That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah.;- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:-"
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Marzutra, God is God right. I mean whatever religion you believe in as long as you are praying to The Almighty, its still the same God?
Judaism has its own book and set of laws doesn't it. Who compiled it? Do they all refer and come from the analysation of the Torah?
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Muslims pray to a pagan moon god.
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Chaim said Allah is just God in Arabic. The God you believe in. The religion is the difference but not the monotheistic beliefs.
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Allah is the name of an old Arabian Moon god, but Hashem (jehova) is being worshipped.
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Chaim said Allah is just G-d in Arabic. The G-d you believe in. The religion is the difference but not the monotheistic beliefs.
allah is god in arabic the pagan moon god
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A case of muddled verse numbers, what was posted as 9:71 by Marzutra is actually 9:73, the verse is still there though. 9:5 is one over which many people argue, so I will quote all the leading verses:
1. A (declaration) of immunity from Allah and His Messenger, to those of the Pagans with whom ye have contracted mutual alliances:-
2. Go ye, then, for four months, backwards and forwards, (as ye will), throughout the land, but know ye that ye cannot frustrate Allah (by your falsehood) but that Allah will cover with shame those who reject Him.
3. And an announcement from Allah and His Messenger, to the people (assembled) on the day of the Great Pilgrimage,- that Allah and His Messenger dissolve (treaty) obligations with the Pagans. If then, ye repent, it were best for you; but if ye turn away, know ye that ye cannot frustrate Allah. And proclaim a grievous penalty to those who reject Faith.
4. (But the treaties are) not dissolved with those Pagans with whom ye have entered into alliance and who have not subsequently failed you in aught, nor aided any one against you. So fulfil your engagements with them to the end of their term: for Allah loveth the righteous.
5. But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.
Bassically saying that if you have some treaty with a group of non-believers wait until the treaty is up before killing them...
For reference, FFS means "For F*cks Sake", not an expression I like personally...
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Chaim said Allah is just G-d in Arabic. The G-d you believe in. The religion is the difference but not the monotheistic beliefs.
That is a very good question Sarah. Actually there is dispute on this fact. Many say, including the Rambam, that Allah is the same G-d as HaShem but Mohammad molested the Torah so severely in his quest to create a new war religion to dominate the world and please his own lusts for sex, power and wealth that it is a bigger sin, or blight to G-d, by promulgating such a bastardization.
The Torah, which is far older than the Qur'an, relates the story about HaShem creating the Earth and man in six days (Genesis, 1) and that HaShem rested on the seventh day: (Genesis, 1-3). The Qur'an also mentions that the Creation takes place within "six days" but never says that G-d had rested on the seventh day. (Al-Sajdah: 4, Al-A�raf: 54) Therefore one can logically assume, for right or for wrong, that Allah is not the same as HaShem because the Torah clearly states that HaShem/G-d rested on the seventh day.....
This is one clear difference which either Chaim is right or he maybe wrong. Personally, considering the savagery, imperialism and darkness of Islam, I am inclined to believe that HaShem is not Allah....HaShem wouldn't want any of his faithful acting in such an evil manner...
The belief that Allah is the ancient moon god is very accurate as well if one wishes to delve into the history of Islam and the various pagan tribes wandering the sands of Arabia and Mesopotamia during the days of Mohammad. That in mind, it was very logical for the Christians and the Jews to turn Mohammad away as they did...and they certainly didn't deserve to be massacred...of which Arabia today is totally Judenrein and Christianrein...
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Sarah, I take extreme offense at the notion that Allah is in any way assosciated with my God. I once posted this on another forum. This is from my perspective as a christian and I hope no offense is taken by my Jewish brothers on this board.
The Facts: ALLAH VS Hashem
ALLAH = Moon god-----------------------------------------------------------Hashem = I AM
Allah is ONE------------------------------------------------------------------God is ONE (we have observed 3 expressions of himself thus far)
A god of Power---------------------------------------------------------------God of Love
Unreachable------------------------------------------------------------------Reaches out to man
He is Unknowable-------------------------------------------------------------God wants us to know him and He wants to know us
Allah has no personality-------------------------------------------------------God is a person. He think, talks, listens, sees etc
Allah creates evil-------------------------------------------------------------God doesn’t create evil. He hates it!
Allah only "loves" the sinner when he repents-----------------------------------God loves the sinner, hates the sin
Allah does not care or grieve about sin-----------------------------------------Sin grieves God
Allah forgives sin if he wills----------------------------------------------------God can’t wait to forgive. He desires and longs to forgive us!
99 Names – Not one is LOVE---------------------------------------------------606 names - God = LOVE
Allah has NO JOY--------------------------------------------------------------God has plenty of Joy
Allah is not peaceful (although muslims claim he is)------------------------------Yeshua is the prince of Peace... nuff said
Allah does not fellowship with man----------------------------------------------The only thing God wants to do IS fellowship with man
Allah is Master over man-------------------------------------------------------God is our Father, our Dad
Allah is not a god of healing----------------------------------------------------All that God has done so far is about healing and restoration
Allah calls the Muslim his slave--------------------------------------------------God calls EVERYONE His child
Allah is too High & Lifted up to care about people---------------------------------God loves us & cares about us. He wants to be part of our lives
Muslims are nothing as a person, just a slave-------------------------------------You are precious and wonderful in God’s sight whether you believe in him or not
Muslims are still slaves of sin----------------------------------------------------By Yeshua's sacrifice, we are set free
Muslims do good deeds because they have to------------------------------------We do good deeds because we want to
Allah is not a Omniscient Being--------------------------------------------------God is Omniscient, Omnipresent, Omnipotent
Quran is full of Historical and scientific errors-------------------------------------Historical and scientific facts consistently confirm the Bible as true
Quran spoken (not written) by one man & it contradicts itself---------------------Bible written by 40 different people – No Contradictions
Islam is religion-----------------------------------------------------------------Christianity is a relationship
Allah swears by his Quran, the pen, creation…------------------------------------God swears by Himself because nothing is more truthful than Him
Islam says DO DO DO – Do works------------------------------------------------Yeshua has already done everything. All that is needed is faith.
I do not post this as a slap in the face to you, Sarah. But I am extremely hurt that my God/Father/Savior/Hero is being associated with Allah. I realize you are probably taught this from your youth but I want you to know that such a view is very hurtful to others. Thanks for your time.
Cyrizian
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The muslim god is not the same god as christians and jews believe in. Muslims always say that they worship the same god as chrisitans what a disgusting lie.
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Sarah, It is true that Muslims pray, similar to the Jews and some Christians, (the exception being the foreign Concept of The Trinity (formerly Juno, Jupiter and Minerva as one example from the former Roman faith..) in 325AD when Roman Emperor Caesar Flavius Constantine held the First Council of Nicea to unite all of the various gnostic and pagan religions under one Roman faith: Christianity.), to one sole G-d, although I'm shaky on the subject dealing with the other Ilah Ar Rahman. Allah seems to enjoy evilness by so many Muslims committing terrorism, rape, murder etc. against innocent men women and children while praying, reading their passages from their bible to/for Allah.
HaShem hates evilness and evil people. As a matter of fact it is Kiddush HaShem (a national blessing) to eliminate evil people/Amalek or killing of an evil person/Amalek before he murders you (Yahuda haMaccabbee and Dr. Baruch Goldstein are very good examples). This is very logical and moral in that if one eliminates evilness in the World all that is left is good. A good example of how Evil people should be dealt with in HaShem's eyes is in Genesis 34 with the Rape of Dinah by Shechem or Moses killing the Egyptian who was attacking the Jew: Lev. 19:16. As you know, there is a very big difference between killing and murder. We are all to be Judged on our deeds and not on faith/prayer alone. The Jerusalem Talmud: Haggigah comments on Jeremiah 16:11 - "Better that they (The Jew) abandon Me (HaShem) and continue to observe My Laws,"..."Through observance of The Law they will return to Me: (HaShem)." People choose to do evil deeds, this is free will upon which your savage Muslofascist brethren freely practice through out the world and then work with our/their "progressive" media to promulgate the lie of "Islam is a religion of peace".
http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110009890
SENSE OF UMMAH
The Trouble With Islam
Sadly, mainstream Muslim teaching accepts and promotes violence.
BY TAWFIK HAMID
Tuesday, April 3, 2007 12:01 a.m. EDT
Not many years ago the brilliant Orientalist, Bernard Lewis, published a short history of the Islamic world's decline, entitled "What Went Wrong?" Astonishingly, there was, among many Western "progressives," a vocal dislike for the title. It is a false premise, these critics protested. They ignored Mr. Lewis's implicit statement that things have been, or could be, right.
But indeed, there is much that is clearly wrong with the Islamic world. Women are stoned to death and undergo clitorectomies. Gays hang from the gallows under the approving eyes of the proponents of Shariah, the legal code of Islam. Sunni and Shia massacre each other daily in Iraq. PLO/Hamas Arab Muslim Nazi mothers teach 3-year-old boys and girls the ideal of martyrdom. One would expect the orthodox Islamic establishment to evade or dismiss these complaints, but less happily, the non-Muslim priests of enlightenment in the West have come, actively and passively, to the Islamists' defense.
These "progressives" frequently cite the need to examine "root causes." In this they are correct: Terrorism is only the manifestation of a disease and not the disease itself. But the root-causes are quite different from what they think. As a former member of Jemaah Islamiya, a group led by al Qaeda's second in command, Ayman al-Zawahiri, I know firsthand that the inhumane teaching in Islamist ideology can transform a young, benevolent mind into that of a terrorist. Without confronting the ideological roots of radical Islam it will be impossible to combat it. While there are many ideological "rootlets" of Islamism, the main tap root has a name--Salafism, or Salafi Islam, a violent, ultra-conservative version of the religion.
It is vital to grasp that traditional and even mainstream Islamic teaching accepts and promotes violence. Shariah, for example, allows apostates to be killed, permits beating women to discipline them, seeks to subjugate non-Muslims to Islam as dhimmis and justifies declaring war to do so. It exhorts good Muslims to exterminate the Jews before the "end of days." The near deafening silence of the Muslim majority against these barbaric practices is evidence enough that there is something fundamentally wrong.
The grave predicament we face in the Islamic world is the virtual lack of approved, theologically rigorous interpretations of Islam that clearly challenge the abusive aspects of Shariah. Unlike Salafism, more liberal branches of Islam, such as Sufism, typically do not provide the essential theological base to nullify the cruel proclamations of their Salafist counterparts. And so, for more than 20 years I have been developing and working to establish a theologically-rigorous Islam that teaches peace.
Yet it is ironic and discouraging that many non-Muslim, Western intellectuals--who unceasingly claim to support human rights--have become obstacles to reforming Islam. Political correctness among Westerners obstructs unambiguous criticism of Shariah's inhumanity. They find socioeconomic or political excuses for Islamist terrorism such as poverty, colonialism, discrimination or the existence of Israel. What incentive is there for Muslims to demand reform when Western "progressives" pave the way for Islamist barbarity? Indeed, if the problem is not one of religious beliefs, it leaves one to wonder why Christians who live among Muslims under identical circumstances refrain from contributing to wide-scale, systematic campaigns of terror.
Politicians and scholars in the West have taken up the chant that Islamic extremism is caused by the Arab-Israeli conflict. This analysis cannot convince any rational person that the Islamist murder of over 150,000 innocent people in Algeria--which happened in the last few decades--or their slaying of hundreds of Buddhists in Thailand, or the brutal violence between Sunni and Shia in Iraq could have anything to do with the Arab-Israeli conflict.
Western feminists duly fight in their home countries for equal pay and opportunity, but seemingly ignore, under a façade of cultural relativism, that large numbers of women in the Islamic world live under threat of beating, execution and genital mutilation, or cannot vote, drive cars and dress as they please.
The tendency of many Westerners to restrict themselves to self-criticism further obstructs reformation in Islam. Americans demonstrate against the war in Iraq, yet decline to demonstrate against the terrorists who kidnap innocent people and behead them. Similarly, after the Madrid train bombings, millions of Spanish citizens demonstrated against their separatist organization, ETA. But once the demonstrators realized that Muslims were behind the terror attacks they suspended the demonstrations. This example sent a message to radical Islamists to continue their violent methods.
Western appeasement of their Muslim communities has exacerbated the problem. During the four-month period after the publication of the Muhammad cartoons in a Danish magazine, there were comparatively few violent demonstrations by Muslims. Within a few days of the Danish magazine's formal apology, riots erupted throughout the world. The apology had been perceived by Islamists as weakness and concession.
Worst of all, perhaps, is the anti-Americanism among many Westerners. It is a resentment so strong, so deep-seated, so rooted in personal identity, that it has led many, consciously or unconsciously, to morally support America's enemies.
Progressives need to realize that radical Islam is based on an antiliberal system. They need to awaken to the inhumane policies and practices of Islamists around the world. They need to realize that Islamism spells the death of liberal values. And they must not take for granted the respect for human rights and dignity that we experience in America, and indeed, the West, today.
Well-meaning interfaith dialogues with Muslims have largely been fruitless. Participants must demand--but so far haven't--that Muslim organizations and scholars specifically and unambiguously denounce violent Salafi components in their mosques and in the media. Muslims who do not vocally oppose brutal Shariah decrees should not be considered "moderates."
All of this makes the efforts of Muslim reformers more difficult. When Westerners make politically-correct excuses for Islamism, it actually endangers the lives of reformers and in many cases has the effect of suppressing their voices.
Tolerance does not mean toleration of atrocities under the umbrella of relativism. It is time for all of us in the free world to face the reality of Salafi Islam or the reality of radical Islam will continue to face us.
Dr. Hamid, a onetime member of Jemaah Islamiya, an Islamist terrorist group, is a medical doctor and Muslim reformer living in the West.
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Just on the topic of quranical quotes, here are another few:
Sura (9:123) - O you who believe! Fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness
Sura (8:12) - I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them
These ones don't really seam very ambiguous to me...
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Just on the topic of quranical quotes, here are another few:
Sura (9:123) - O you who believe! Fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness
Sura (8:12) - I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them
These ones don't really seam very ambiguous to me...
Come now FTF. You must be "tolerant" to their religious beliefs. All religions lead to G-d as Dr. Michael Savage stated quite clearly. We are all loved and created in the image of G-d, even these heavenly individuals will sit with G-d in Heaven for doing such worthy deeds, only they will be greeted by 72 virgins in G-d's rewards for such righteous examples to the world of tolerance. Cutting off the heads, murdering, raping, robbing and deceiving the un-believer is a cultural thing which you must be more accepting of and tolerant to. Don't the Universities teach that it is a progressive chemical imbalance caused by the increased levels of C02 destabilizing the atmospheric pressures of hydrofluoric carbon vapors initiating man made global warming instigating the hemoglobin within the frontal lobe of the brain to become highly active which attain higher levels of eco-friendly electro magnetic activity leading the remote, but highly possible, cases of acute mental instability dictating temporary insanity of the cultured Islamic practitioner? All of the aforementioned are now clearly legal defenses to be used by the ACLU, CAIR and other "progressive" organizations dictating that the Muslims are not responsible for their actions but you are responsible for their actions due to not being "open minded" to embracing diversity leading to the root cause of these remote instances....as Islam is a religion of peace..don't you know? ;)
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Very nice Marzutra.