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Guns and Self-Defense => Guns/Firearms => Topic started by: ProudAndZionist on March 05, 2009, 04:04:43 PM
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Shalom JTF!
Here are the greatest gas-pistols, European people can only buy gas pistols for self defence. Names + pictures of the guns:
Alfa 040
Czech Republic
Beautiful
Strong
(http://www.gazpisztoly.hu/contadatok/image/alfa/alfa040/alfa040_05.jpg)
(http://www.gazpisztoly.hu/contadatok/image/alfa/alfa040/alfa040_03.jpg)
Zoraki 914
Hungarian - Turkish (but really good)
Perfect for the hide wear
Strong / long life for the pistol, big magazine (14 bullets)
(http://www.gazpisztoly.hu/contadatok/image/zoraki/zoraki914/zoraki914_02.jpg)
(http://www.gazpisztoly.hu/contadatok/image/zoraki/zoraki914/zoraki914_07.jpg)
Baikal IZH-77
Russia
Full IRON
(http://www.gazpisztoly.hu/contadatok/image/baikal/izh77/baikal_izh77_01.jpg)
FÉG GRP 88
Hungary
Safe
Iron
Strong
Pretty
(http://www.gazpisztoly.hu/contadatok/image/feg/feggrp88/feg-grp-88-02.jpg)
(http://www.gazpisztoly.hu/contadatok/image/feg/feggrp88/feg-grp-88-05.jpg)
Mayer & Söhne
Germany
Strong
Safe
(http://www.gazpisztoly.hu/contadatok/image/mayersohne/perfectag1/perfecta-g1-02.jpg)
(http://www.gazpisztoly.hu/contadatok/image/mayersohne/perfectag1/perfecta-g1-04.jpg)
Röhm RG 69
Germany
One of the best
Strong
(http://www.gazpisztoly.hu/contadatok/image/rohm/rohmrg69/rohmrg69_02.jpg)
(http://www.gazpisztoly.hu/contadatok/image/rohm/rohmrg69/rohmrg69_04.jpg)
Enjoy
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I would chose this one FÉG GRP 88 and this one Zoraki 914. They are looking nice and they are strong.
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Good luck brother, by the way you have exactly 666 posts now. :laugh: :::D ;D :P
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lol... :::D
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_4YFhK87NXPE/SI_cIRZZqJI/AAAAAAAABK0/LNssZaxLk7A/s400/Obama666.png)
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lol... :::D
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_4YFhK87NXPE/SI_cIRZZqJI/AAAAAAAABK0/LNssZaxLk7A/s400/Obama666.png)
Obama looks like a monkey :laugh:
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He is a monkey!
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And this is the president of USA. Imagine Ronald Regean and Obama stand together...disgusting. Obama is president of idiots...
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Except me who has gas pistol? :dance:
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How strong are these gas pistols?
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How strong are these gas pistols?
These are very good for self-defence. A bullet is same with a full gas spray bottle. The useful distance is around 5m. :dance:
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Do you know what the muzzle velocity, will it shoot through an apple or an orange, and how much noise does it make?
I saw a few of these at the local air gun store, but didn't really pay too much attention to them because they were around $200 and I was hoping to buy a real Torkarev instead, but now it looks like that isn't going to happen.
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Do you know what the muzzle velocity, will it shoot through an apple or an orange, and how much noise does it make?
I saw a few of these at the local air gun store, but didn't really pay too much attention to them because they were around $200 and I was hoping to buy a real Torkarev instead, but now it looks like that isn't going to happen.
Very loud like a real gun.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FClwduRtn7I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIQxNRuEWVY&feature=related
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Oh, it actually shoots a gas? I thought it fired a projectile propelled by compressed air. I saw a few fake guns in a local surplus store, that were neither real nor airsoft, and I thought that they were like this, but they turned out to be metal bb guns, so target shooting, I presume.
I've never even heard of a pistol that shoots CS gas before. What do the bullets look like? 9mm PAK or something completely different?
What sort of keywords should I look for to find one of these on eGun, and do I need some sort of permit?
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Oh, it actually shoots a gas? I thought it fired a projectile propelled by compressed air. I saw a few fake guns in a local surplus store, that were neither real nor airsoft, and I thought that they were like this, but they turned out to be metal bb guns, so target shooting, I presume.
I've never even heard of a pistol that shoots CS gas before. What do the bullets look like? 9mm PAK or something completely different?
What sort of keywords should I look for to find one of these on eGun, and do I need some sort of permit?
There are many types of the caliber, mine is 9mm PAK. It shoots OC, CS, CN etc gas, and very useful. You can buy it if you are over 18 years old. ;)
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Do you know of any good online stores that sell them?
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Do you know of any good online stores that sell them?
I think you can't order online. Where do you live? If you want wear your pistol, you should requir a permession from the police, they will give you in a few weeks.
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Do you know of any good online stores that sell them?
http://www.steelhawkairsoft.com/gaspistols.html
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Do you know of any good online stores that sell them?
http://www.steelhawkairsoft.com/gaspistols.html
Those guns aren't the best and very expensive, it is good for a collection, but for self-defence I wouldn't choose.
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Do you know of any good online stores that sell them?
I think you can't order online. Where do you live? If you want wear your pistol, you should requir a permession from the police, they will give you in a few weeks.
I live in Gdansk. I looked in to getting a real gun, but I'm told that the process of acquiring a permit would take several months, and I won't be here for that long.
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Do you know of any good online stores that sell them?
I think you can't order online. Where do you live? If you want wear your pistol, you should requir a permession from the police, they will give you in a few weeks.
I live in Gdansk. I looked in to getting a real gun, but I'm told that the process of acquiring a permit would take several months, and I won't be here for that long.
I was in Poland in 2006. Gdansk is a dock city. I was in Krawkow, Litvorovka Tatra Mountain, Zakopane, Vielicka mine, and in Auswitz. :'( >:( Where are you moving? Israel? :dance:
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I want to move to Israel in August, but if that doesn't happen, I'll just go to the US and spend the winter there.
http://www.teszvesz.hu/item626451775_walther_p22_gaz_riaszto_loszerekkel_extrakkal.html
I have to go to Germany soon; I should pick one up there. Fake guns here are expensive; CO2 airguns that in the US would sell for $100 are $400.
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I want to move to Israel in August, but if that doesn't happen, I'll just go to the US and spend the winter there.
http://www.teszvesz.hu/item626451775_walther_p22_gaz_riaszto_loszerekkel_extrakkal.html
I have to go to Germany soon; I should pick one up there. Fake guns here are expensive; CO2 airguns that in the US would sell for $100 are $400.
I have a CO2 pistol too, and I want sell it. And it is one of the greatest, and German, exactly same with that German P22 gas pistol. Are you interested in my CO2 pistol?
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Do you have any other 9mm PAK pistols? I would probably prefer a revolver.
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Do you have any other 9mm PAK pistols? I would probably prefer a revolver.
I agree. I have semi-automatic called Zoraki 914, but that is really good. If I was you, I would buy an Alpha Czech revolver.
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Buy a real gun and not a toy gun
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Buy a real gun and not a toy gun
We live in Europe! Not America...
European laws are hard. German laws are hard. In America you can buy everywhere a weapon. Not here. We can only buy "toys". :'(
One day I will buy a real weapon.
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Buy a real gun and not a toy gun
As Steven said we can buy only "toys" btw it is not toy. :P
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Buy a real gun and not a toy gun
As Steven said we can buy only "toys" btw it is not toy. :P
Yeah it is a toy
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Buy a real gun and not a toy gun
As Steven said we can buy only "toys" btw it is not toy. :P
Yeah it is a toy
In Germany it's a weapon. A softair is a toy.
That are the German laws. Very hard if you talk about weapons.
For examble a kitchen knife is a weapon. If the knife is longer than 8,5 cm it is a weapon in Germany. Switchblade are also not allowed in Germany.
You need a licence to wear a Gas pistol in German on the streets.
That's Germany...
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Buy a real gun and not a toy gun
As Steven said we can buy only "toys" btw it is not toy. :P
Yeah it is a toy
If it is longer than 6 cm then it is gun in Hungary. :o
In Germany it's a weapon. A softair is a toy.
That are the German laws. Very hard if you talk about weapons.
For examble a kitchen knife is a weapon. If the knife is longer than 8,5 cm it is a weapon in Germany. Switchblade are also not allowed in Germany.
You need a licence to wear a Gas pistol in German on the streets.
That's Germany...
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Buy a real gun and not a toy gun
If you're selling I'm interested.
Do you have any other 9mm PAK pistols? I would probably prefer a revolver.
I agree. I have semi-automatic called Zoraki 914, but that is really good. If I was you, I would buy an Alpha Czech revolver.
What are they made out of, typically? Good metal or bad quality metal and plastic?
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Buy a real gun and not a toy gun
If you're selling I'm interested.
Do you have any other 9mm PAK pistols? I would probably prefer a revolver.
I agree. I have semi-automatic called Zoraki 914, but that is really good. If I was you, I would buy an Alpha Czech revolver.
What are they made out of, typically? Good metal or bad quality metal and plastic?
Alpha 040 Czech is full metal, Zoraki 914 is also metal, with a bit plastic.
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I had a look at one today; something Italian, but I do not recall the name. Looked good, like a real gun but for the fact that the barrel was fixed to the frame.
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I had a look at one today; something Italian, but I do not recall the name. Looked good, like a real gun but for the fact that the barrel was fixed to the frame.
I don't like Italian gas pistols, steel gas pistol is the best. I would buy Alpha 040 very beautiful, or Zoraki 914, by the way I have a CO2 Umarex-Walter pistol, also a copy of its real gun.
Umarex CO2:
(http://www.aceros-de-hispania.com/image/norica/p99-air-pistol.jpg) (for a self-defence is good)
Zoraki 914:
(http://www.daisyfegyverbolt.hu/nagykep/z914ni.jpg) (in the real life it is more beautiful)
Alfa 040:
(http://www.lovecke-potreby.cz/images/sklady/Alfa_040.jpg)
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I'm going to look for a store that sells them (army surplus or outdoor store?) and try to pick the best quality model.
Are there any brands to avoid?
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Zoraki is still my favorite
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I'm sure you will see these 3 perfect guns in the stores.
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Zoraki is still my favorite
When will you buy it? :P
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Zoraki is still my favorite
When will you buy it? :P
Later.. when the trouble with the police is over..
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Zoraki is still my favorite
When will you buy it? :P
Later.. when the trouble with the police is over..
When is that? :o
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Zoraki is still my favorite
When will you buy it? :P
Later.. when the trouble with the police is over..
When is that? :o
may half a year... it needs time... I am still afraid..
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I'm going to look for a store that sells them (army surplus or outdoor store?) and try to pick the best quality model.
Are there any brands to avoid?
Hey Yonah, did you buy your pistol? ;)
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Buy a real gun and not a toy gun
If you're selling I'm interested.
Do you have any other 9mm PAK pistols? I would probably prefer a revolver.
I agree. I have semi-automatic called Zoraki 914, but that is really good. If I was you, I would buy an Alpha Czech revolver.
What are they made out of, typically? Good metal or bad quality metal and plastic?
Alpha 040 Czech is full metal, Zoraki 914 is also metal, with a bit plastic.
ewww plastic is bad because of UV rays that break up plastic and degrade it over time. Yes Glocks are nice but plastic was moreso a method of cutting costs more than anything.
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Buy a real gun and not a toy gun
If you're selling I'm interested.
Do you have any other 9mm PAK pistols? I would probably prefer a revolver.
I agree. I have semi-automatic called Zoraki 914, but that is really good. If I was you, I would buy an Alpha Czech revolver.
What are they made out of, typically? Good metal or bad quality metal and plastic?
Alpha 040 Czech is full metal, Zoraki 914 is also metal, with a bit plastic.
ewww plastic is bad because of UV rays that break up plastic and degrade it over time. Yes Glocks are nice but plastic was moreso a method of cutting costs more than anything.
Only the hilt is plastic. ;)
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Hey!
Long time no see posts here. Yonah and Steven did you buy then gas pistols? ;)
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I was in Germany for three weeks, but they were hard to find and expensive compared to the prices I saw on the web from the Czech Republic, Hungary and Slovakia. I'll be around there in 2 months, so I'll see if I can get one there.
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Will you come to Hungary then? ;)
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How much do they cost in Hungary?
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How much do they cost in Hungary?
Cheap!
Mine is around 200 Euro in Germany but 70,5 euro in Hungary! :o
http://www.gunbox.axelero.net/
;)
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Great website.
ELÖLTÖLTŐS FEGYVEREK (SZABADON TARTHATÓ!) - Are these black power and percussion cap pistols and is a permit necessary?
I notice that he has FEG brand gas pistols listed, and they look great. Do you have any experience with them? How similar are they to the real thing? I had a real FEG High Power for a short period of time, and was impressed by the quality, given what I had paid.
Do you know anything about this one - Keserű Spiáter Micromax zsebrevolver? Is the metal of good quality?
What are these things - ELÖLTÖLTŐS GUMILÖVEDÉKES ÉS "FLÓBERT" FEGYVEREK (SZABADON TARTHATÓ!)? They look like modern cap and ball revolvers.
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Great website.
ELÖLTÖLTŐS FEGYVEREK (SZABADON TARTHATÓ!) - Are these black power and percussion cap pistols and is a permit necessary?
I notice that he has FEG brand gas pistols listed, and they look great. Do you have any experience with them? How similar are they to the real thing? I had a real FEG High Power for a short period of time, and was impressed by the quality, given what I had paid.
Do you know anything about this one - Keserű Spiáter Micromax zsebrevolver? Is the metal of good quality?
What are these things - ELÖLTÖLTŐS GUMILÖVEDÉKES ÉS "FLÓBERT" FEGYVEREK (SZABADON TARTHATÓ!)? They look like modern cap and ball revolvers.
You can buy it without permit, but you can only use it for sport reasons, and only can buy black power at shooting gallery.
Tell me if you come, and I will go there help for you and translate Hungarian - English. ;) How old are you btw? FEG guns are famous almost like the legendary Colts!
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I'm 24.
So that Uberti Cattleman he has listed there, I believe that's cambered in .45 LC, is that one available without a permit?
The cap and ball models are available without a permit, but I can only buy black powder at a shooting range?
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I'm 24.
So that Uberti Cattleman he has listed there, I believe that's cambered in .45 LC, is that one available without a permit?
The cap and ball models are available without a permit, but I can only buy black powder at a shooting range?
Hmm they wrote it and on the site's forum they also wrote it that you can buy it without permit. Btw szabadon tartható means, you can have this without permit. ;)
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Flóbert is not strong, almost like an air pistol btw. If I were you I would buy gas pistol!
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Why not just get a .22LR , who needs a gas pistol.. WEll, they are great for kids.. LOL
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Why not just get a .22LR , who needs a gas pistol.. WEll, they are great for kids.. LOL
Because WE CAN'T BUY IN EUROPE! Or we will spend our life in jail.
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Why not just get a .22LR , who needs a gas pistol.. WEll, they are great for kids.. LOL
Because WE CAN'T BUY IN EUROPE! Or we will spend our life in jail.
Depends on the country, you can own firearms in France, Switzerland, Finland, Norway, and I believe Netherlands. I think certain Balkan states are lax depending on the country, Romania I recall had some lax gun laws, but way too many gypsies.
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My understanding is that the gun laws here would allow me to buy just about any sort of gun if I passed the licensing process, which would take about a year. No point, as far as I'm concerned; I intend to be in Israel or elsewhere in 3 months.
What's to stop someone from putting a .22lr or .22 short round into one of those flobert guns?
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Dude. I still say...for self defense in Europe: GAS PISTOL!