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Title: Please pray for Princess, the cat...
Post by: ~Hanna~ on March 05, 2009, 11:46:19 PM
The cat that was abandoned by my neighbor when they moved and I ended up adopting could use a prayer or two if anyone feels led at all. She has had people even in Austrailia and New Jersey praying for her...

She came home from the ER yesterday, had a transfusion and other things.

It saved her life.

I have been caring for her 24/7 and I am too a bit tired, but I will be ok.

We kind of adopted each other in the past few months. She hated humans until I started caring for her.

Anyway...I'm exhausted, but I will be ok, she is fighting an upper respiratory virus now, she is on meds for it, I take her in again on Saturday to check her blood. (she had a parasite that attacks the cat's red blood cells.....)

Thankyou so very much....

Title: Re: Please pray for Princess, the cat...
Post by: Americanhero1 on March 05, 2009, 11:47:06 PM
I'll say a pray for your cat
Title: Re: Please pray for Princess, the cat...
Post by: ~Hanna~ on March 05, 2009, 11:59:42 PM
I'll say a pray for your cat

Thankyou AH..... :(
Title: Re: Please pray for Princess, the cat...
Post by: Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks on March 06, 2009, 12:02:19 AM
I am extremely sorry to hear this, Hanna. I almost lost my very dear cat, Missy, in a very similar way earlier this year. She appeared to be a goner, but I cried out to Hashem and he saved her life and she is well again now, despite being very old.

"Father G-d, I know from the miraculous healing that you did in Missy that you hear our cries and care about the precious animals that you have created. Please touch little Princess right now in the midst of her great suffering, which she does not understand, and enable her to beat this secondary respiratory infection and come back completely restored. We know that you can do anything and can transcend the laws of science and medicine at will; you can easily heal Princess. In your Name, Amen."
Title: Re: Please pray for Princess, the cat...
Post by: Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks on March 06, 2009, 12:04:13 AM
Hanna, what is Princess' appetite like? If she is not eating, she absolutely must. Ask your vet about cycloheptadine, an antihistamine that is an effective appetite stimulant in cats. It has no real side effects and is well-tolerated.
Title: Re: Please pray for Princess, the cat...
Post by: ~Hanna~ on March 06, 2009, 12:24:03 AM
Hanna, what is Princess' appetite like? If she is not eating, she absolutely must. Ask your vet about cycloheptadine, an antihistamine that is an effective appetite stimulant in cats. It has no real side effects and is well-tolerated.

Thankyou for the prayer and the advice C.F. She did begin eating on her own today....even grooming herself a bit and drinking liquids. I just noticed she is wheezing quite a bit, maybe it is breaking up and leaving, that could be it...I worry like a mom about this cat..... ;D

Thankyou again.......
Title: Re: Please pray for Princess, the cat...
Post by: Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks on March 06, 2009, 12:39:49 AM
Thankyou for the prayer and the advice C.F. She did begin eating on her own today....even grooming herself a bit and drinking liquids. I just noticed she is wheezing quite a bit, maybe it is breaking up and leaving, that could be it...I worry like a mom about this cat..... ;D

Thankyou again.......
Yeah I know how you feel, I've had Missy for many years and she's like a blood relative to me. How much is she eating? It is very good for a cat to drink plenty of water--both to overcome dehydration and for kidney health. Make sure she has plenty of clean, purified (tap water tastes nasty to cats) water--perhaps even add an ice cube or two now and then. The wheezing is obviously part of her secondary respiratory infection--not a whole lot can be done about that except her eating and getting stronger. I sent out the prayer request for Princess to several of my friends, btw.
Title: Re: Please pray for Princess, the cat...
Post by: ~Hanna~ on March 06, 2009, 12:42:03 AM
Thankyou for the prayer and the advice C.F. She did begin eating on her own today....even grooming herself a bit and drinking liquids. I just noticed she is wheezing quite a bit, maybe it is breaking up and leaving, that could be it...I worry like a mom about this cat..... ;D

Thankyou again.......
Yeah I know how you feel, I've had Missy for many years and she's like a blood relative to me. How much is she eating? It is very good for a cat to drink plenty of water--both to overcome dehydration and for kidney health. Make sure she has plenty of clean, purified (tap water tastes nasty to cats) water--perhaps even add an ice cube or two now and then. The wheezing is obviously part of her secondary respiratory infection--not a whole lot can be done about that except her eating and getting stronger. I sent out the prayer request for Princess to several of my friends, btw.

Thankyou C.F. she is eating more and more each time....she just got home yesterday from the ER, she will see the doc again on Saturday and get her blood tested, etc. To make sure she is doing ok.

Title: Re: Please pray for Princess, the cat...
Post by: GoIsraelGo! on March 06, 2009, 12:48:11 AM
Hanna, what a wonderful Mitzvah you are doing for this poor cat. I pray that she recovers fully and that you both can have many good years together.  How evil for those people to abandon her like that. Some people are unworthy of having pets. May G-d punish them for the cruelty and neglect they inflicted on her. Keep her warm while she recovers and let us know if she is getting better.
Hanna, you are such a sweet lady! May G-d heal her soon.


                                                                Shalom & G-d Bless Hanna!    Dox
Title: Re: Please pray for Princess, the cat...
Post by: ~Hanna~ on March 06, 2009, 12:58:14 AM
Hanna, what a wonderful Mitzvah you are doing for this poor cat. I pray that she recovers fully and that you both can have many good years together.  How evil for those people to abandon her like that. Some people are unworthy of having pets. May G-d punish them for the cruelty and neglect they inflicted on her. Keep her warm while she recovers and let us know if she is getting better.
Hanna, you are such a sweet lady! May G-d heal her soon.


                                                                Shalom & G-d Bless Hanna!    Dox

Oh thankyou Dox..... :-[ I love all of G-d's creatures and they come to my door alot too.... ;D

Thankyou so much...GBY too...
Title: Re: Please pray for Princess, the cat...
Post by: Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks on March 06, 2009, 01:03:03 AM
May G-d punish them for the cruelty and neglect they inflicted on her.

This actually would make a good question for Chaim: is cruelty to animals sufficient reason to call a y-s on someone?
Title: Re: Please pray for Princess, the cat...
Post by: Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks on March 06, 2009, 02:20:20 AM
That's it? 30 views only for this thread?

A sweet and innocent pet owned by one of our great members is fighting for its life and there are only 30 views here?

More people are interested in reading about the lesbian trollop Megan Fox and the black Nazi beast Snoop Dogg than seeing what is wrong with Hanna's precious kitty?

I almost lost my beloved cat this winter and during that time, it was like the whole world was about to end. The least we can do is leave Hanna our regards and sentiments here.

Thank you very much,
Chaimfan.
Title: Re: Please pray for Princess, the cat...
Post by: IsraelForever on March 06, 2009, 02:51:05 AM
Quote from: C.F. link
[This actually would make a good question for Chaim: is cruelty to animals sufficient reason to call a y-s on someone?
First of all, my prayers to Princess. 

Secondly, I would imagine that the answer would be "yes".  Cruelty to animals is a known signpost to a very sadistic and evil person.  For example, almost every serial killer exhibited cruelty to animals when they were younger.  Michael Vick went to prison (and rightly so) for just allowing cruelty to animals to occur on his property.  It is truly one of the lowest kinds of behavior. 

The Bible clearly decrees that cruelty to domestic animals is forbidden. The ox, we are also told, is entitled to the fruit of its labor: "Thou shalt not muzzle the ox when he treadeth out the corn" (Deuteronomy 25:4). Moreover, Deuteronomy 22:10 tells us "Thou shalt not plow with an ox and an ass together," suggesting that pairing animals of different sizes and strengths would cause a conflict and would place a strain on the weaker of them or perhaps on both.

The books of Exodus (22:29) and Leviticus (22:27-28) require that a newborn animal remain with its mother for the first week of its life before being sacrificed, so that the young creature can have at least seven days of warmth and nourishment from its mother. And “ye shall not kill it and its young both in one day,” presumably to avoid the trauma of having the mother see her infant slain before her.

Judaism places great stress on proper treatment of animals. Unnecessary cruelty to animals is strictly forbidden, and in many cases, animals are accorded the same sensitivity as human beings. This concern for the welfare of animals is unusual in Western civilization. Most civilized nations did not accept this principle until quite recently; cruelty to animals was not outlawed until the 1800s, and even now it is not taken very seriously.

The primary principle behind the treatment of animals in Jewish law is preventing tza'ar ba'alei chayim, the suffering of living creatures. Judaism expresses no definitive opinion as to whether animals actually experience physical or psychological pain in the same way that humans do; however, Judaism has always recognized the link between the way a person treats animals and the way a person treats human beings. A person who is cruel to a defenseless animal will undoubtedly be cruel to defenseless people. Modern psychology confirms this understanding, with many studies finding a relationship between childhood animal cruelty and adult criminal violence. Sadly, the converse is not always true: Hitler loved animals; PETA wrote a letter to Arafat telling him, when he wants to blow up a bus full of Israelis, could he please not hurt a donkey to do it.

In the Bible, those who care for animals are heroes, while those who hunt animals are villains. Jacob, Moses and King David were all shepherds, people who cared for animals (Gen. 30, Ex. 31, I Sam. 17). The Talmud specifically states that Moses was chosen for his mission because of his skill in caring for animals. "The Holy One, Blessed Be He, said 'Since you are merciful to the flock of a human being, you shall be the shepherd of My flock, Israel.'" Likewise Rebecca was chosen as a wife for Isaac because of her kindness to animals. When Abraham's servant asked for water for himself, she volunteered to water his camels as well, and thereby proved herself a worthy wife (Gen. 24).

On the other hand, the two hunters in the Bible, Nimrod and Esau, are both depicted as villains. The Talmud tells the story of a great rabbi, Judah Ha-Nasi, who was punished with years of pain because he was insensitive to the fear of a calf being led to slaughter.

In the Torah, humanity is given dominion over animals (Gen. 1:26), which gives us the right to use animals for legitimate needs. Animal flesh can be consumed for food; animal skins can be used for clothing. The Torah itself must be written on parchment (animal hides), as must mezuzah scrolls, and tefillin must be made out of leather.

However, dominion does not give us the right to cause indiscriminate pain and destruction. We are permitted to use animals in this way only when there is a genuine, legitimate need, and we must do so in the manner that causes the animal the least suffering. Kosher slaughtering is designed to be as fast and painless as possible, and if anything occurs that might cause pain (such as a nick in the slaughtering knife or a delay in the cutting), the flesh may not be consumed. Hunting for sport is strictly prohibited, and hunting and trapping for legitimate needs is permissible only when it is done in the least painful way possible.

Under Jewish law, animals have some of the same rights as humans do. Animals rest on Shabbat, as humans do (Ex. 20:10). We are forbidden to muzzle an ox while it is working in the field (Deut. 25:4), just as we must allow human workers to eat from the produce they are harvesting (Deut. 23:25-26). They can partake of the produce from fields lying fallow during the sabbatical year (Ex. 23:11).

Several commandments demonstrate concern for the physical or psychological suffering of animals. We may not plow a field using animals of different species (Deut. 22:10), because this would be a hardship to the animals. We are required to relieve an animal of its burden, even if we do not like its owner, do not know its owner, or even if it is ownerless (Ex. 23:5; Deut. 22:4). We are not permitted to kill an animal in the same day as its young (Lev. 22:28), and are specifically commanded to send away a mother bird when taking the eggs (Deut 22:6-7), because of the psychological distress this would cause the animal. In fact, the Torah specifically says that a person who sends away the mother bird will be rewarded with long life, precisely the same reward that is given for honoring mother and father (Ex. 20:12; Deut. 5:16), and indeed for observing the whole Torah (Deut. 4:40). This should give some indication of the importance of this law.

We are permitted to violate Shabbat to a limited extent to rescue an animal in pain or at risk of death. For example, we can move them if they are in pain, move objects that we would not otherwise be permitted to touch to relieve their pain, we may give them medicine, and we may ask non-Jews to do things that would violate Shabbat to help a suffering animal.

In the Talmud, the rabbis further dictated that a person may not purchase an animal unless he has made provisions to feed it, and a person must feed his animals before he feeds himself (interpreting Deut. 11:15).

Title: Re: Please pray for Princess, the cat...
Post by: Zelhar on March 06, 2009, 04:06:45 AM
I wish your Princess get well soon. I can definitely understand the feeling, having nearly lost my dear Kitty to a nasty virus a few years ago. Now she is showing signs of old age and I am constantly worried for her, but I also appreciate our time together more.
Title: Re: Please pray for Princess, the cat...
Post by: eb22 on March 06, 2009, 07:33:31 AM
Hanna,  as someone who had two cats who contracted F.I.P.,     I can well imagine what you are going through.      I pray that your cat makes a complete recovery and that you will have the strength to get through adverse times.
Title: Re: Please pray for Princess, the cat...
Post by: ~Hanna~ on March 06, 2009, 10:59:03 AM
That's it? 30 views only for this thread?

A sweet and innocent pet owned by one of our great members is fighting for its life and there are only 30 views here?

More people are interested in reading about the lesbian trollop Megan Fox and the black Nazi beast Snoop Dogg than seeing what is wrong with Hanna's precious kitty?

I almost lost my beloved cat this winter and during that time, it was like the whole world was about to end. The least we can do is leave Hanna our regards and sentiments here.

Thank you very much,
Chaimfan.

It's ok C.F. I understand....

Princess is growing stronger every day...she ate more this morning then yesterday, she answered me when I talked to her (she talks alot when feeling well) she was grooming herself (another good sign).  She goes to see the vet tomorrow, I can hardly wait...

Thanks again SO MUCH for the PRAYERS and WELL WISHES for this beloved cat.....

Due to the houseing foreclosure crisis in our country, MANY animals are being ABANDONED every day.

I urge you all to keep your eyes peeled and open to what stray/abandoned animals you may be able to help.

The ferel cat population is at an all time high where I am at..all the cat shelters are FULL.... :'(

Anyway, I'll get off my soapbox now...

Thanks so VERY MUCh for the KIND words and PRAYERS, I do so appreciate it SO MUCH!!!

 :-*

You are all like family to me, honestly....

 Toda Rabah...
Title: Re: Please pray for Princess, the cat...
Post by: arksis on March 06, 2009, 11:04:47 AM
Oh Hanna, my heart goes out to you! I am praying that Princess gets better and stronger every day. I know you have such a bond with each other. I will pray you have strength more and more to help her get better too!
Title: Re: Please pray for Princess, the cat...
Post by: ProudAndZionist on March 06, 2009, 11:17:48 AM
I will pray.  :'(
Title: Re: Please pray for Princess, the cat...
Post by: GoIsraelGo! on March 06, 2009, 11:25:16 AM
That's it? 30 views only for this thread?

A sweet and innocent pet owned by one of our great members is fighting for its life and there are only 30 views here?

More people are interested in reading about the lesbian trollop Megan Fox and the black Nazi beast Snoop Dogg than seeing what is wrong with Hanna's precious kitty?

I almost lost my beloved cat this winter and during that time, it was like the whole world was about to end. The least we can do is leave Hanna our regards and sentiments here.

Thank you very much,
Chaimfan.

I am sorry you almost lost your beloved cat. My cats lived usually 18 years before they passed away. I hope your cat gets well and she is lucky to have you as her family. My last cat was Friskina, she was a feral cat and I fed her for 10 years on my patio. When I moved back to Orange County my daughters and I caught her and she lived in my home for another 8 years before she passed away from old age. Your prayer for Hannas cat was very kind, I hope she recovers from her illness.


                                                                     Shalom - Dox
Title: Re: Please pray for Princess, the cat...
Post by: mord on March 06, 2009, 11:41:44 AM
May G-D heal your cat speedily
Title: Re: Please pray for Princess, the cat...
Post by: muman613 on March 06, 2009, 12:06:33 PM
It is difficult to deal with pets illnesses. I just had a cat named Tinkerbell pass away last December and she was only 16 years old. She was sick for about two weeks, after the 1st week I brought her to the vet but a week later she was gone.

I have had many cats over the last 25 years. The oldest lived for about 18 years. When we moved to this house we had six cats... Now I only have 2 indoor cats and 2 outdoor cats. I think the best thing to do is to take care of your cats as best you can and pray for their health.

I will think about your cat in my prayers today. May she get well soon..
Title: Re: Please pray for Princess, the cat...
Post by: nessuno on March 06, 2009, 12:21:32 PM
I hope your cat feels better Hanna.
Title: Re: Please pray for Princess, the cat...
Post by: Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks on March 06, 2009, 12:30:47 PM
Princess is growing stronger every day...she ate more this morning then yesterday, she answered me when I talked to her (she talks alot when feeling well) she was grooming herself (another good sign).  She goes to see the vet tomorrow, I can hardly wait...
I am really glad to hear that. If a cat is grooming itself consistently it is feeling better. When Missy was at her lowest point, she didn't groom herself at all, but as she recovered she got back to doing this. And you are right, it is good when a kitty "talks" a lot. Missy always does. Is Princess at all a Siamese mix? They are known for being very vocal.
Title: Re: Please pray for Princess, the cat...
Post by: ~Hanna~ on March 06, 2009, 03:44:03 PM
Princess is growing stronger every day...she ate more this morning then yesterday, she answered me when I talked to her (she talks alot when feeling well) she was grooming herself (another good sign).  She goes to see the vet tomorrow, I can hardly wait...
I am really glad to hear that. If a cat is grooming itself consistently it is feeling better. When Missy was at her lowest point, she didn't groom herself at all, but as she recovered she got back to doing this. And you are right, it is good when a kitty "talks" a lot. Missy always does. Is Princess at all a Siamese mix? They are known for being very vocal.

She looks like a maincoon to me...very colorful cat...brown,tan,gold,beige.....
Title: Re: Please pray for Princess, the cat...
Post by: ~Hanna~ on March 06, 2009, 03:45:59 PM
It is difficult to deal with pets illnesses. I just had a cat named Tinkerbell pass away last December and she was only 16 years old. She was sick for about two weeks, after the 1st week I brought her to the vet but a week later she was gone.

I have had many cats over the last 25 years. The oldest lived for about 18 years. When we moved to this house we had six cats... Now I only have 2 indoor cats and 2 outdoor cats. I think the best thing to do is to take care of your cats as best you can and pray for their health.

I will think about your cat in my prayers today. May she get well soon..


Thankyou Muman....we rescued this cat, I just spent $3,000 caring fot it this week... 8)

She is doing much, much better.....even compared to 24 hours ago...
Title: Re: Please pray for Princess, the cat...
Post by: ~Hanna~ on March 06, 2009, 03:47:33 PM
May G-D heal your cat speedily

Thankyou Mord.....

you should have seen me helping a lady in the ER waiting room with her Mastiff, the dog needed eye drops and didn't want them.... :laugh: people were laughing...
Title: Re: Please pray for Princess, the cat...
Post by: ~Hanna~ on March 06, 2009, 03:48:14 PM
I will pray.  :'(

Thankyou very much, she is getting better, even since I posted this yesterday...
Title: Re: Please pray for Princess, the cat...
Post by: ~Hanna~ on March 06, 2009, 03:50:25 PM
Oh Hanna, my heart goes out to you! I am praying that Princess gets better and stronger every day. I know you have such a bond with each other. I will pray you have strength more and more to help her get better too!

Thankyou so much. Main Coons tend to bond with one person, so yes, I guess I am her "mom" now... ;D

I am a bit tired but I am going to drink some green tea right now, it will help considerably.

Title: Re: Please pray for Princess, the cat...
Post by: Angry Panther on March 07, 2009, 07:49:46 PM
Hanna,

As someone who has cats I will say a prayer for your cat. All our cats where once homeless, we took them in and cared for them. I think it is cruel for people to abandon cats. I'm so glad you were their to rescue her. G-d bless you.

Title: Re: Please pray for Princess, the cat...
Post by: arksis on March 07, 2009, 08:33:00 PM
So glad to hear how much better Princess is doing Hanna! Please keep us updated and I will continue to pray for her to get stronger every day. She has so much love yet to give you!
Title: Re: Please pray for Princess, the cat...
Post by: Rubystars on March 07, 2009, 09:23:49 PM
IsraelForever, I've wondered before what would happen on Shabbat if a Jewish family's pet had an emergency situation and needed immediate medical care. Would it be permissible to take them to the vet like it would be permissible to take a human being to an emergency room to save their life, or would someone else have to do it?

I've wondered for a while what kind of arrangements are made in case something like this happens.

Usually on weekends the only vet offices that are open are emergency vet offices, but I remember having to take my dogs to them around 4 times for various things. One example was when one dog had a really swollen gland that was causing her a lot of pain and another situation where I had to take another dog to the emergency vet was when he started peeing blood and straining to urinate. It turned out to be a bladder infection, but if I'd left it overnight without medical care he could have died that night, and at the very least, he could have been in a lot of pain.

By the way I'm praying for Princess and I hope that Princess will be ok. I love cats even though I'm allergic to them and can't have one, I love to visit with my sister's cats and play with them.
Title: Re: Please pray for Princess, the cat...
Post by: muman613 on March 07, 2009, 09:47:39 PM
IsraelForever, I've wondered before what would happen on Shabbat if a Jewish family's pet had an emergency situation and needed immediate medical care. Would it be permissible to take them to the vet like it would be permissible to take a human being to an emergency room to save their life, or would someone else have to do it?

I've wondered for a while what kind of arrangements are made in case something like this happens.

Usually on weekends the only vet offices that are open are emergency vet offices, but I remember having to take my dogs to them around 4 times for various things. One example was when one dog had a really swollen gland that was causing her a lot of pain and another situation where I had to take another dog to the emergency vet was when he started peeing blood and straining to urinate. It turned out to be a bladder infection, but if I'd left it overnight without medical care he could have died that night, and at the very least, he could have been in a lot of pain.

By the way I'm praying for Princess and I hope that Princess will be ok. I love cats even though I'm allergic to them and can't have one, I love to visit with my sister's cats and play with them.

I am not sure of the exact answer but i believe that one can only violate Shabbat to save a Human life, not that of a pet. But I will look into the matter.

Here is the question and answer from a Rabbi at Yeshiva.org.il :

http://www.yeshiva.org.il/ask/eng/?srch=1&cat=&search_in=2&q=pet+shabbat

Quote

Question:
Could you please tell me what the Halacha is with respect to saving the life of a pet on Shabbat? If a pet becomes suddenly very ill on Shabbat, may one call a veterinarian? May one take a pet to the veterinarian? If not, what options does one have other than to let the pet die or remain in tremendous pain?

Answer:
One is not allowed to transgress the Shabbat to save an animal. This includes Rabbinic and Torah prohibitions.(Sulchan Aruch 332, in the Mishna Berura, Shmirat Shabbat Kehilchata 27,55)
However, one is allowed to handle the animal, i.e. to pick it up or to relive it of pain ect. One is also allowed aid a non-Jew to deal with the animal. It is also allowed to perform things which are prohibited specifically because they are medically related (SSK 27, 54-6). However, it is advisable to ask a Rabbinic authority if a specific case comes up, because these Halachot are complicated and some Poskim seemed to allow certain Rabbinic prohibitions under certain circumstances (see SSK 27, note 166, 168).
In these laws there is no difference between saving the life of an animal or stopping a leaving pain (See SSK 27, note 98).

Rabbi Baruch Paz
Title: Re: Please pray for Princess, the cat...
Post by: Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks on March 07, 2009, 09:49:45 PM
Thankyou Muman....we rescued this cat, I just spent $3,000 caring fot it this week... 8)

She is doing much, much better.....even compared to 24 hours ago...
Oh my word... I thought the $650 spent to save the life of my Missy was a lot. You are a tzaddik, Hanna.
Title: Re: Please pray for Princess, the cat...
Post by: Rubystars on March 07, 2009, 09:56:25 PM
Thank you Muman. I hope that Jewish families with pets can have someone within walking distance who can help them and their pets if need be.
Title: Re: Please pray for Princess, the cat...
Post by: Rubystars on March 07, 2009, 09:57:03 PM
Thankyou Muman....we rescued this cat, I just spent $3,000 caring fot it this week... 8)

She is doing much, much better.....even compared to 24 hours ago...
Oh my word... I thought the $650 spent to save the life of my Missy was a lot. You are a tzaddik, Hanna.

I agree with C.F. Hanna you're a wonderful person! I think it's great that you were able to do this!
Title: Re: Please pray for Princess, the cat...
Post by: ag337 on March 07, 2009, 11:32:02 PM
Hanna,

Hi, we have never had any direct interaction with each other here, but I have read some of your posts and find them insightful.

I am sorry to hear about your cat, Princess.  I too will say a prayer for her.  It is a mitzvah that you have taken her under your wing and saved her life.

A pet is like a member of your family.  They can provide a type of comfort that we sometimes cannot get from some of the humans in our life.  I have always had dogs and have never owned cats.  I had the same feeling when my dog, Chiquita, was sick.  I barely ate the six days she was in the hospital.  It's a horrible feeling.

I will say a prayer for you and your cat tonight.
Title: Re: Please pray for Princess, the cat...
Post by: ~Hanna~ on March 07, 2009, 11:58:30 PM
Thankyou Muman....we rescued this cat, I just spent $3,000 caring fot it this week... 8)

She is doing much, much better.....even compared to 24 hours ago...
Oh my word... I thought the $650 spent to save the life of my Missy was a lot. You are a tzaddik, Hanna.

I agree with C.F. Hanna you're a wonderful person! I think it's great that you were able to do this!

Believe me, I was not always able to do this.... :'( :'(

I am glad I can this time though....

It (in a way) helps to make up for the times I could not...

Title: Re: Please pray for Princess, the cat...
Post by: ~Hanna~ on March 08, 2009, 12:03:01 AM
Hanna,

Hi, we have never had any direct interaction with each other here, but I have read some of your posts and find them insightful.

I am sorry to hear about your cat, Princess.  I too will say a prayer for her.  It is a mitzvah that you have taken her under your wing and saved her life.

A pet is like a member of your family.  They can provide a type of comfort that we sometimes cannot get from some of the humans in our life.  I have always had dogs and have never owned cats.  I had the same feeling when my dog, Chiquita, was sick.  I barely ate the six days she was in the hospital.  It's a horrible feeling.

I will say a prayer for you and your cat tonight.

Thankyou so very much, you are an angel, too....

It was a team effort, the cat saving...the vets, the animal ER and my home here...we all did it together, cuz I sure didn't have the medicine, etc to do it....

She is getting stronger every day.

The vet checked her hemocrat levels today, they are up two more points than the day she left the hospital.

So, that is very good!!!

 :dance:

Today she was purring and also growling at the vet, growlling cuz she didn't want to be there, I guess I don't blame her.... :laugh:

It was kind of funny...a purring/growling cat.... :::D

She is so precious to me.

For months and months (before she was our pet) I tried to pet her and if I came anywhere within ten feet of her she would hiss and growl at me (didn't like humans very much) ....

Well, so I noticed she was abandoned (after the people moved) and I started feeding her.

Within a matter of a few days or so, I would open the door and call her and she would come RUNNING across the parking lot.

RUNNING...
Title: Re: Please pray for Princess, the cat...
Post by: ~Hanna~ on March 08, 2009, 12:05:12 AM
Thankyou Muman....we rescued this cat, I just spent $3,000 caring fot it this week... 8)

She is doing much, much better.....even compared to 24 hours ago...
Oh my word... I thought the $650 spent to save the life of my Missy was a lot. You are a tzaddik, Hanna.

I agree with C.F. Hanna you're a wonderful person! I think it's great that you were able to do this!

Oh thankyou, I give the paise to G-d though, for without Him, I am and can do nothing....honestly. Don't put me too high up on a pedestal....but many animals get abandoned and its too bad...it makes me angry  >:( too.

Anyway, thankyou for the kind words....

It's been a rough week, but coming here to see everyone's KIND KIND WORDS makes my day/week/month!!!

THANKYOU ALL SO VERY, VERY MUCH!!!!
Title: Re: Please pray for Princess, the cat...
Post by: ~Hanna~ on March 08, 2009, 12:06:48 AM
Thankyou Muman....we rescued this cat, I just spent $3,000 caring fot it this week... 8)

She is doing much, much better.....even compared to 24 hours ago...
Oh my word... I thought the $650 spent to save the life of my Missy was a lot. You are a tzaddik, Hanna.

What us a tzaddik? I hope it is a GOOD thing.... :::D

I love human beings and animals and all of G-d's creation.....

I hope that they love me too, but sometimes they have not.

Title: Re: Please pray for Princess, the cat...
Post by: ~Hanna~ on March 08, 2009, 12:08:58 AM
IsraelForever, I've wondered before what would happen on Shabbat if a Jewish family's pet had an emergency situation and needed immediate medical care. Would it be permissible to take them to the vet like it would be permissible to take a human being to an emergency room to save their life, or would someone else have to do it?

I've wondered for a while what kind of arrangements are made in case something like this happens.

Usually on weekends the only vet offices that are open are emergency vet offices, but I remember having to take my dogs to them around 4 times for various things. One example was when one dog had a really swollen gland that was causing her a lot of pain and another situation where I had to take another dog to the emergency vet was when he started peeing blood and straining to urinate. It turned out to be a bladder infection, but if I'd left it overnight without medical care he could have died that night, and at the very least, he could have been in a lot of pain.

By the way I'm praying for Princess and I hope that Princess will be ok. I love cats even though I'm allergic to them and can't have one, I love to visit with my sister's cats and play with them.



I am not sure of the exact answer but i believe that one can only violate Shabbat to save a Human life, not that of a pet. But I will look into the matter.

Here is the question and answer from a Rabbi at Yeshiva.org.il :

http://www.yeshiva.org.il/ask/eng/?srch=1&cat=&search_in=2&q=pet+shabbat

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Question:
Could you please tell me what the Halacha is with respect to saving the life of a pet on Shabbat? If a pet becomes suddenly very ill on Shabbat, may one call a veterinarian? May one take a pet to the veterinarian? If not, what options does one have other than to let the pet die or remain in tremendous pain?

Answer:
One is not allowed to transgress the Shabbat to save an animal. This includes Rabbinic and Torah prohibitions.(Sulchan Aruch 332, in the Mishna Berura, Shmirat Shabbat Kehilchata 27,55)
However, one is allowed to handle the animal, i.e. to pick it up or to relive it of pain ect. One is also allowed aid a non-Jew to deal with the animal. It is also allowed to perform things which are prohibited specifically because they are medically related (SSK 27, 54-6). However, it is advisable to ask a Rabbinic authority if a specific case comes up, because these Halachot are complicated and some Poskim seemed to allow certain Rabbinic prohibitions under certain circumstances (see SSK 27, note 166, 168).
In these laws there is no difference between saving the life of an animal or stopping a leaving pain (See SSK 27, note 98).

Rabbi Baruch Paz


Maybe I could start a service of some kind? Helping with family pets on Shabbot?  ;D
Title: Re: Please pray for Princess, the cat...
Post by: ~Hanna~ on March 08, 2009, 12:10:28 AM
Hanna,

As someone who has cats I will say a prayer for your cat. All our cats where once homeless, we took them in and cared for them. I think it is cruel for people to abandon cats. I'm so glad you were their to rescue her. G-d bless you.



Thankyou very much!

G-d is my rock and my strength, I could never do it without Him...
Title: Re: Please pray for Princess, the cat...
Post by: ~Hanna~ on March 08, 2009, 12:12:07 AM
So glad to hear how much better Princess is doing Hanna! Please keep us updated and I will continue to pray for her to get stronger every day. She has so much love yet to give you!

Thankyou so very much!

I took her back to the Vet today, the Vet was very, very happy!!!!

Her hemocrat levels have gone up two more points since I brought her home.

She is doing very, very well!

We all saved her life!!!!

Including those who have prayed....!!!

G-d is the ultimate life-saver though... :dance:
Title: Re: Please pray for Princess, the cat...
Post by: GoIsraelGo! on March 08, 2009, 01:02:29 PM
Hi Hanna, how is Princess doing?
Title: Re: Please pray for Princess, the cat...
Post by: ProudAndZionist on March 08, 2009, 01:42:03 PM
I hope the cat is fine, by the way I wish You a very happy birthday ~Hanna~  !  :dance: :) Mazal tov!
Title: Re: Please pray for Princess, the cat...
Post by: ~Hanna~ on March 08, 2009, 03:30:46 PM
Hi Hanna, how is Princess doing?

SHe is bright eyed and bushy tailed now (I was wondering where they got that from) I am sure now it is from a healthy cat.... ;D

Title: Re: Please pray for Princess, the cat...
Post by: ~Hanna~ on March 08, 2009, 03:31:32 PM
I hope the cat is fine, by the way I wish You a very happy birthday ~Hanna~  !  :dance: :) Mazal tov!

THANKYOU SO VERY MUCH!!!

 :-[
Title: Re: Please pray for Princess, the cat...
Post by: ag337 on March 08, 2009, 05:03:43 PM
Hanna,

I am so happy to hear that Princess is doing better.
I hope she gets stronger and healthier with every day that passes.

I will continue to keep both of you in my prayers.

Take care, feel good, and continue to be well.
Title: Re: Please pray for Princess, the cat...
Post by: ProudAndZionist on March 08, 2009, 05:05:51 PM
Brothers, Sisters

Do You know that Hanna has birthday today?:P

PS (You are welcome)  :)
Title: Re: Please pray for Princess, the cat...
Post by: ~Hanna~ on March 08, 2009, 05:06:09 PM
Hanna,

I am so happy to hear that Princess is doing better.
I hope she gets stronger and healthier with every day that passes.

I will continue to keep both of you in my prayers.

Take care, feel good, and continue to be well.

Thankyou very much, I thank you and so does Princess!!!  ;D
Title: Re: Please pray for Princess, the cat...
Post by: ~Hanna~ on March 08, 2009, 05:07:13 PM
I bought alot of film recently, I will take pictures of her so you all will know who you have been praying for....

She is so beautiful....
Title: Re: Please pray for Princess, the cat...
Post by: Debbie Shafer on March 08, 2009, 05:42:04 PM
I have had these furry friends all my life, and they are very special creatures, very attuned to their owners, but also very possessive of their owners affections.  They really make excellent companions.  I was told by my doctor, cats and dogs can also lower our blood pressures because of contentment and Joy.

Hope Princess makes a full recovery, and Happy Birthday.
Title: Re: Please pray for Princess, the cat...
Post by: P J C on March 08, 2009, 06:40:34 PM
I will pray for the cat.
Title: Re: Please pray for Princess, the cat...
Post by: ~Hanna~ on March 08, 2009, 07:06:43 PM
I will pray for the cat.

thankyou..
Title: Re: Please pray for Princess, the cat...
Post by: arksis on March 09, 2009, 12:02:33 AM
Happy Birthday Hanna! Hope your birthday is as special as you are!  :celebrate: :dance: :dance: :dance:
Title: Re: Please pray for Princess, the cat...
Post by: JTFFan on March 09, 2009, 12:06:51 AM
Happy Birthday Hanna  :usa+israel: :fireworks:
You cat is also in our thoughts and prayers.
Title: Re: Please pray for Princess, the cat...
Post by: ~Hanna~ on March 09, 2009, 02:22:28 AM
Happy Birthday Hanna! Hope your birthday is as special as you are!  :celebrate: :dance: :dance: :dance:

Oh thankyou, I am special?

 :-[

Title: Re: Please pray for Princess, the cat...
Post by: ~Hanna~ on March 09, 2009, 02:23:24 AM
Happy Birthday Hanna  :usa+israel: :fireworks:
You cat is also in our thoughts and prayers.

Thankyou very much.

She is still mad at me cuz I still am giving her medications twice a day... :laugh:

One of these days she will stop  being mad. But she still lets me pet her, so that is good.
Title: Re: Please pray for Princess, the cat...
Post by: arksis on March 09, 2009, 10:12:10 AM
Happy Birthday Hanna! Hope your birthday is as special as you are!  :celebrate: :dance: :dance: :dance:

Oh thankyou, I am special?

 :-[



Of course you are special, how could you think you are not?!!!!
Title: Re: Please pray for Princess, the cat...
Post by: ~Hanna~ on March 09, 2009, 11:20:22 AM
Happy Birthday Hanna! Hope your birthday is as special as you are!  :celebrate: :dance: :dance: :dance:

Oh thankyou, I am special?

 :-[



I dunno...

Is that a good thing?  :laugh:

Of course you are special, how could you think you are not?!!!!
Title: Re: Please pray for Princess, the cat...
Post by: Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks on March 09, 2009, 12:23:11 PM
 :dance: Happy Birthday Hanna!  :dance:
Title: Re: Please pray for Princess, the cat...
Post by: SW on March 09, 2009, 12:48:31 PM
Happy Birthday Hanna!!  :fireworks: :fist: :fireworks: :fist:
Title: Re: Please pray for Princess, the cat...
Post by: Daleksfearme on March 09, 2009, 01:20:35 PM
I will pray for you both.
Title: Re: Please pray for Princess, the cat...
Post by: ~Hanna~ on March 10, 2009, 12:52:16 AM
:dance: Happy Birthday Hanna!  :dance:

Thankyou C.F.  ;D
Title: Re: Please pray for Princess, the cat...
Post by: ~Hanna~ on March 10, 2009, 12:52:47 AM
Happy Birthday Hanna!!  :fireworks: :fist: :fireworks: :fist:

Thankyou GW.... ;D
Title: Re: Please pray for Princess, the cat...
Post by: ~Hanna~ on March 10, 2009, 12:53:38 AM
I will pray for you both.

Thankyou very much. ....she was more herself even today....I am exhausted but Ill be ok... :laugh:
Title: Re: Please pray for Princess, the cat...
Post by: ~Hanna~ on March 11, 2009, 11:48:36 AM
THANKYOU ALL SO VERY, VERY MUCH FOR THE PRAYERS AND CONCERNS!!! She is much, much better now!!!
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Title: Re: Please pray for Princess, the cat...
Post by: arksis on March 11, 2009, 12:58:56 PM
This is wonderful news Hanna! Now that you've been through so much, go and celebrate your birthday!  :celebrate:
Title: Re: Please pray for Princess, the cat...
Post by: ~Hanna~ on March 11, 2009, 01:01:47 PM
This is wonderful news Hanna! Now that you've been through so much, go and celebrate your birthday!  :celebrate:

I dunno, I just have my son to celebrate it with, he isn't that interested, (he's at that age, lol).. :::D

Maybe we can go on a hike or something....
Title: Re: Please pray for Princess, the cat...
Post by: ~Hanna~ on March 19, 2009, 10:18:01 AM
UPDATE ON PRINCESS:

I took her back to the vet yesterday, so they could check her hemocrat levels...

The doctor said it is now up to 16 (needs to be in the 30s) it is up from last time, but she said she needs to ask the rest of her team about this because her hemocrat levels are not going up fast enough.....I told her it took me a year and a half to get mine back up (I had anemia pretty bad, had to go to the ER about it).

In the meantime, I'm adding blackstrap molasses to her food.... :laugh: (it is loaded with iron). Perhaps I should give her a little bit of wine every day?

What does everyone think about the wine idea? It's loaded with iron, too... ;D
Title: Re: Please pray for Princess, the cat...
Post by: arksis on March 19, 2009, 09:16:53 PM
Awwwwwww, thanks for the update on Princess! Sounds like you have a ways to go, but she's doing really well! I just tried to find info on giving a cat wine, but nothing came up. Maybe someone else here will know better. Glad to hear how well she's improving Hanna!
Title: Re: Please pray for Princess, the cat...
Post by: ag337 on March 19, 2009, 10:47:35 PM
Hanna,

I'm so happy that Princess is getting better.

I am sorry that I can not offer you any advise about giving wine to her; I own and have always owned dogs.  With the exception of a turtle that I saved his life.  So, he's stuck with me now.

But, what I can do is keep both you and Princess in my prayers.....
Take care and be well.....