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Obama considers reaching out to Taliban
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WASHINGTON (AFP) — US President Barack Obama said, in an interview published Sunday, that the United States is not winning the war in Afghanistan and hinted at possible talks with moderate elements of the Taliban.
Highlighting the success of the US strategy of bringing some Sunni Iraqi insurgents to the negotiating table and away from Al-Qaeda, Obama told The New York Times that "there may be some comparable opportunities in Afghanistan and the Pakistani region."
The strategy in Iraq had been developed by General David Petraeus, then commander of US forces in the country.
"If you talk to General Petraeus, I think he would argue that part of the success in Iraq involved reaching out to people that we would consider to be Islamic fundamentalists, but who were willing to work with us because they had been completely alienated by the tactics of Al-Qaeda in Iraq," Obama said in the interview published in the online edition of the Times.
But Obama warned that Afghanistan was not Iraq, and that reconciliation efforts could face difficulties.
"The situation in Afghanistan is, if anything, more complex. You have a less governed region, a history of fierce independence among tribes. Those tribes are multiple and sometimes operate at cross purposes, so figuring all that out is going to be a much more of a challenge," he said.
During his presidential campaign last year, Obama told Time magazine that opportunities to negotiate with some Taliban elements "should be explored."
Asked by the Times if the United States was winning the war in Afghanistan, which he has called the "central front in the war on terror," Obama simply replied: "No."
"You've seen conditions deteriorate over the last couple of years. The Taliban is bolder than it was. I think in the southern regions of the country, you're seeing them attack in ways that we have not seen previously," he said.
"The national government still has not gained the confidence of the Afghan people."
US-led forces ousted the Taliban regime in Afghanistan shortly after the September 11, 2001 attacks in the United States, but Islamist militants regrouped in recent years and are waging an intensifying and spreading Taliban-led insurgency.
Shortly after taking office in January, Obama launched a review of US policy toward Afghanistan and Pakistan that is set to be delivered before he heads to Europe on March 31 for a round of international meetings.
In his first major decision as commander-in-chief, he ordered the deployment of 17,000 additional troops to Afghanistan, saying they were needed to stabilize a deteriorating security situation.
Part of the troops' role will be to help boost security during Afghan presidential elections now set to take place in August.
"We've got to recast our policy so that our military, diplomatic and development goals are all aligned to ensure that Al-Qaeda and extremists that would do us harm don't have the kinds of safe havens that allow them to operate," Obama said.
Al-Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden is widely believed to be hiding in the mountainous border region between Pakistan and Afghanistan, a known haven for Taliban extremists.
"At the heart of a new Afghanistan policy is going to be a smarter Pakistan policy. As long as you've got safe havens in these border regions that the Pakistani government can't control or reach, in effective ways, we're going to continue to see vulnerability on the Afghan side of the border," Obama said.
More than two dozen suspected US drone attacks have been carried out in Pakistan since August 2008, killing more than 200 people, most of them militants.
Pakistan is a key ally in the US-led "war against terror" but the missile strikes have fueled anti-American sentiment in the country, particularly in the tribal belt bordering Afghanistan.
US Vice President Joe Biden, who visited Southwest Asia recently, heads to Brussels on Monday for consultations with top NATO allies on a new US strategy in Afghanistan and Pakistan.
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O.K., my first problem with this is, why does he release all these lovely little tidbits during hours of low news cycles. Of course, he does it because less people are apt to see it and be informed and by the time the next major news cycle rolls around, something bigger will occur and this will not get much play.
This really ticks me off.
Now, my next problem is, since when has there been moderate members of the Taliban. Have I missed the memo, because I was under the distinct impression there is no moderate in Radical Islam, hence the word Radical.
Heck, the words moderate and Islam can not be in the same sentence together.
I can only ascertain that Obama is really out to destroy the U.S., no matter the cost.
There is a reason why no civilized country has ever met with the Taliban. The reason being, the Taliban are not civilized.
I really hope, just as Rush had said, that Obama fails; and fails sooner than later, so that we can get someone in office who actually understands what is going on in our world.
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"O.K., my first problem with this is, why does he release all these lovely little tidbits during hours of low news cycles. " ag337
That's an interesting observation. I must surmise that this means that Obama realizes that this is a political hot-button (and it is). Therefore, we must further surmise that Obama is prepared to invest political capital in this strategy, because he genuinely believes that we can negotiate with people who are actively trying to kill us.
Do you realize how risky this strategy is? A single dramatic terrorist attack, and you'll have the talk radio guys speaking about manslaughter charges. In fact, if this keeps up, we're going to have to apologize to the Nazis hanged after the Nuremburg trials.
Personally, but without too many details, and I don't want this post to drone on, I think that the United States is being chastened by God right now, and ol' Barry is an element in that punishment.
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It is a case of polished maneuvers before abject surrender.
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What a great commander in chief. When they ask you if you're winning the war, you don't just say, "no." How does that help troop morale? This "president" has no common sense or even a remote understanding of how to run any part of the military.
Rush is right when he talked about the media having conference calls with Obama's staff every morning. How do you explain the Newsweek front page about "working with radical Islam" right before this comes out? The media has mostly become another wing of the Obama Administration and release the same talking points. They said in the article, that most of the Taliban is made up of paid off tribes and kids. Obama thinks he can make this go away with another payoff from our tax dollars. The Taliban will take the $ and then stab America in the back right after. I've said it time and again, the Obamunists may have all the education in the world but they know nothing.
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,I am bumping this thread, because this is something that needs attention.
This is very important and because it was posted after midnight on Saturday conveniently enough when there was a time change, it has not received the attention it deserves.
Obama's tactic of releasing this information at that particular time is a calculated move to deceive us of what his true motives are and where his loyalty lies.
I hope that more people see this for what it is and make others aware of what is going on under their noses.
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How touching... Enough to cause me to barf my dinner. I wonder if Obama would like to have dinner with the Taliban. What goes on in the skull of that man? Logic and reason are not Obamas strong cards. Maybe Obama thinks making concessions to ruthless murdering lunatics is a rational thing to do. I think he has his head on backwards.
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How touching... Enough to cause me to barf my dinner. I wonder if Obama would like to have dinner with the Taliban. What goes on in the skull of that man? Logic and reason are not Obamas strong cards. Maybe Obama thinks making concessions to ruthless murdering lunatics is a rational thing to do. I think he has his head on backwards.
He is making this country extremely vulnerable... in every way. Now he wants to embolden the terrorists by treating them with the same respect that Neville Chamberlin treated Hitler with. Is this stupidity... or sabotage??? who knows?
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"Moderate Taliban"!????? That's like "Moderate Nazi"!
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I'd like to reach out to him.
>:(
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This is the individual who made winning the war in Afghanistan a campaign promise.
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There's a word for this, isn't there? It's on the tip of my tongue...Oh yes! Now I remember! TREASON!!!
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The new religion in America is worshipping Muslims.
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This is the individual who made winning the war in Afghanistan a campaign promise.
Broken promises... shattered dreams... nothing remains but change... in the pocket.
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I was thinking about this earlier today and the more I thought about it the more upset I got. I was upset about some of the things Obama was doing before but for him to say that there are moderates in the Taliban is absolute insanity.
Can you imagine what the reaction would have been if he had said this right after 9/11?
This country has gone insane to elect someone like Obama. No wonder the world thinks Americans are stupid as doorknobs (well at least doorknobs have a useful purpose).
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Ruby,
You have stated what I have been saying and thinking since I first set my eyes on Obama.
He is destroying the U.S.A. with his agenda.
Obama needs to be stopped, I don't know how, but it has to be done before we are all done.
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I hope he's stopped by Congress, by being legally impeached for failing to defend the Constitution of the United States. That's unlikely to happen with a Democratic Congress. The earliest we can hope for is in two years when there is another election and the balance in Congress could shift.
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O.K., my first problem with this is, why does he release all these lovely little tidbits during hours of low news cycles. Of course, he does it because less people are apt to see it and be informed and by the time the next major news cycle rolls around, something bigger will occur and this will not get much play.
This really ticks me off.
Now, my next problem is, since when has there been moderate members of the Taliban. Have I missed the memo, because I was under the distinct impression there is no moderate in Radical Islam, hence the word Radical.
Heck, the words moderate and Islam can not be in the same sentence together.
I can only ascertain that Obama is really out to destroy the U.S., no matter the cost.
There is a reason why no civilized country has ever met with the Taliban. The reason being, the Taliban are not civilized.
I really hope, just as Rush had said, that Obama fails; and fails sooner than later, so that we can get someone in office who actually understands what is going on in our world.
Excellent post Ag337 ! I agree with you and I have never heard of anything moderate in Islam. Obama is getting worse day by day and yes, he is obviously putting his foot out every minute to test the ( political waters ) to see how far he can go. I pray every day that he gets impeached!
Shalom - Dox : )
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I was thinking about this earlier today and the more I thought about it the more upset I got. I was upset about some of the things Obama was doing before but for him to say that there are moderates in the Taliban is absolute insanity.
Can you imagine what the reaction would have been if he had said this right after 9/11?
This country has gone insane to elect someone like Obama. No wonder the world thinks Americans are stupid as doorknobs (well at least doorknobs have a useful purpose).
Ironically, today is the 7 1/2 anniversary of the horrific 9-11 tragedies. If someone would have told me in the days following 9-11-01 that in 2008 the U.S. would elect a Muslim, with ultra radical associations , as President, I never would have believed it. Even today, it still feels like a nightmare, not reality. Even with the vast majority of the media being an extension of the Barack Hussein Obama campaign, its still difficult to comprehend that Obama " won " the 2008 Presidential Election.
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I was thinking about this earlier today and the more I thought about it the more upset I got. I was upset about some of the things Obama was doing before but for him to say that there are moderates in the Taliban is absolute insanity.
Can you imagine what the reaction would have been if he had said this right after 9/11?
This country has gone insane to elect someone like Obama. No wonder the world thinks Americans are stupid as doorknobs (well at least doorknobs have a useful purpose).
Ironically, today is the 7 1/2 anniversary of the horrific 9-11 tragedies. If someone would have told me in the days following 9-11-01 that in 2008 the U.S. would elect a Muslim, with ultra radical associations , as President, I never would have believed it. Even today, it still feels like a nightmare, not reality. Even with the vast majority of the media being an extension of the Barack Hussein Obama campaign, its still difficult to comprehend that Obama " won " the 2008 Presidential Election.
I know how you feel, it is horrifying and depressing. Never in our History has any candidate with such horrible ties became president.
Something is wrong in denmark!
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I was thinking about this earlier today and the more I thought about it the more upset I got. I was upset about some of the things Obama was doing before but for him to say that there are moderates in the Taliban is absolute insanity.
Can you imagine what the reaction would have been if he had said this right after 9/11?
This country has gone insane to elect someone like Obama. No wonder the world thinks Americans are stupid as doorknobs (well at least doorknobs have a useful purpose).
You're right. Americans would have gone crazy if someone wanted to talk to the people who aided and helped Bin Laden plan his attack. Just the fact we have elected someone with a Muslim name is insane enough as it is.
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On right hand Obama considers reaching out to Taliban and on left hand it is being considered for reaching out to military coup and forceful dictatorial takeover.
Situation at Papistan666 is really interesting and volatile, converging towards ww3.
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On right hand Obama considers reaching out to Taliban and on left hand it is being considered for reaching out to military coup and forceful dictatorial takeover.
Situation at Papistan666 is really interesting and volatile, converging towards ww3.
I could not agree more with everything everyone has said here. It is getting scarier EVERY day to live in this country! We have nuts in the white house! >:(
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I will be surprised to understand that if it would not have happened 7-1/2 years earlier, then this also would not have happened.
Was there a deep, subtle, widespread and repressed feeling of "Stockholm Syndrome", without the knowledge of anyone else.
When Taliban hijacked big Indian Airliner and when they destroyed huge twin Buddha statues, then it was theologically obvious that they were going to combine the two in their next operation.
Earlier I was very much amazed to see that the American leader of the last war looks entirely different than expected. So much so that I started thinking him to be Powell. Now I am no more amazed.
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"Moderate Taliban"!????? That's like "Moderate Nazi"!
Ditto.
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We tried to tell people who voted for Obama, he is not what he seems. Daniel Pipes.org has a good article on Da"wa in the Western world, and another article in the context, www.WhyIslam.org which clearly says Change at the Top of the Page. Islam is integrating our society in the West thanks to the votes by the Kool-aid drinkers.
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THEY NEED TO GET HIM THE #$%* OUT
(http://iwka.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/obama-punishment.jpg)
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THEY NEED TO GET HIM THE #$%* OUT
(http://iwka.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/obama-punishment.jpg)
Absolutely!
A baby is not punishment.
It's a wonderful reward and a miricle.
I love babies.
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If I keep stressing out over all this I'm afraid I'm going to be sick. Ever since I heard him talking about moderate Taliban, and I think about all the pro-abortion stuff he's doing, and all the pro-illegal immigrant stuff he's going to do, and all the anti-Israel stuff he's going to do, I just am so upset.
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Ruby,
I feel the same way as you do.
Everyday when I wake up and I see Obama enacting his agenda on our Great Nation; I literally feel like I am sinking into a never ending abyss.
It is incredulous to me, that freethinking people voted for Obama to be President.
I just don't get it.
It is so obvious that Obama is unqualified, inexperienced and greatly misguided to lead our country; but like blind sheep, people went with a song in their hearts of "hope and change", and voted this fool into office.
The only "change" that Obama has enacted has been negative.
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The scum is reaching out to his brother in arms
Watch a lot of under the table deals will be going on
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THEY NEED TO GET HIM THE #$%* OUT
(http://iwka.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/obama-punishment.jpg)
Absolutely!
A baby is not punishment.
It's a wonderful reward and a miricle.
I love babies.
:) :) :)
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@ True Conservative WHY DID YOU POST HITLER'S(ys'z) PIC!!!! >:(
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The new religion in America is worshipping Muslims.
You are correct CF, the nazis have joined forces with the other nazis. Their common goal is the destruction of America and Israel.
It's only temporary. This Country saw a civil war and it might happen again if they try to abolish our Constitution.
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The new religion in America is worshipping Muslims.
You are correct CF, the nazis have joined forces with the other nazis. Their common goal is the destruction of America and Israel.
It's only temporary. This Country saw a civil war and it might happen again if they try to abolish our Constitution.
And YOU are correct Elizabeth! We have been saying that since Obamanation, that there is going to be a civil war! I'm beginning to wonder if ONLY people on the JTF are the ONLY sane people in this country???????? :throw:
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The new religion in America is worshipping Muslims.
You are correct CF, the nazis have joined forces with the other nazis. Their common goal is the destruction of America and Israel.
It's only temporary. This Country saw a civil war and it might happen again if they try to abolish our Constitution.
And YOU are correct Elizabeth! We have been saying that since Obamanation, that there is going to be a civil war! I'm beginning to wonder if ONLY people on the JTF are the ONLY sane people in this country???????? :throw:
Hi Dawn, I know there are many people like us who are not aware of the JTF, I hope they find out about our site, and remember, let us stock up / our second admendment rights....I can't help but feel during his presidency Obama is going to somehow try and abolish the constitution or at least revise it to the left's specifications. I mean this has gone too far and something is really wrong here regarding Obama's failure to show a certified copy of his birth certificate. I pray that Berg does not give up the fight for proof that he is qualified to serve...Obama is the only president who made it to the White House with so many crooked ties and ill morals....Dawn, notice in obamas speeches how he says " I am a man of faith " instead of identifying himself as a christian...when Obama says he's a " man of faith " he is sending a message to his moslems brothers...Islam uses the term faithful and unfaithful.
Let us keep praying that he gets impeached and who knows, his own party may just decide he's too much and they will take action themselves.
Stock up Dawn...my husband and I have.
Shalom & G-d Bless! Dox
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Thanks to this Obamination, our enemies will test us [and we will fail each test], and they will walk over us like we were nothing. It's happening now with the North Korean missile test, and, of course, with Iran's continued nuclear program. I hopeand pray that the United States survives the end of Obama's first term.
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Yes Elizabeth, I have been spreading the word to those like us and to join here, but most of them are not like us and depend on ME to open my mouth and speak out while they just sit there. >:( If Obamanation reaches out to the taliban, then he is one of THEM as far as I'm concerned. I could not agree with you more about him changing our Constitution and not proving he was born in the USA! Had this been anyone else, this would not have been tolerated! >:( My blood boils everytime I hear about or see this man and you cannot get away from it. Seems like every single day he is TV for one thing or another. Ah yes, we are stocking up too! G-d Bless you Elizabeth and everyone here! :fist: :usa+israel: