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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: mord on March 11, 2009, 06:27:14 AM
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I wonder if a real German did it or an invader?
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3684713,00.html
Breaking News
At least 10 killed in German school shooting
Published: 03.11.09, 12:31 / Israel News
Police say a gunman dressed in a black combat uniform opened fire at a high school in southern Germany on Wednesday, killing at least 10 people and injuring others before fleeing the scene.
Area police spokesman Klaus Hinderer said students were among those killed, but had no further immediate details. He said the attacker fled the Albertville high school after the attack and police were searching for him. The school was evacuated.
more http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,612612,00.html
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Sounds like a Quranimal. >:(
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Mord,
I'm not sure if it was a German or not.
I saw a brief segment about this on the news this morning and the only information that I could gather was that the shooter had previously been a student at the school.
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More information
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winnenden_school_shooting
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That doesn't sound like a Muslim name. I just hope the families of the victims will be able to cope somehow. :(
I would like to know what drove that kid to be so insane.
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From the pictures I saw this was no invader but a natural citizen. And he murdered at least 16 people.
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I hope it wasn't "George Bush the Hero".
I know he said he lived in Germany, and also that he was 17.
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I hope it wasn't "George Bush the Hero".
I know he said he lived in Germany, and also that he was 17.
:o
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what if he killed muslims?
The article does not specify a motive yet
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I hope it wasn't "George Bush the Hero".
I know he said he lived in Germany, and also that he was 17.
Germanys not a tiny country, plus the guy killed mainly women.
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Well I see him online here anyways so obviously not him :)
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Well I see him online here anyways so obviously not him :)
Maybe he came back from the dead?
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I don't think it's funny to make fun of one our members like that, especially about something so serious. GWB seems like a great JTFer to me.
I feel terrible for those innocent victims of this massacre. :(
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If the attacker was not a Muslim already, then he has probably been made an honorary Muslim.
Agreed, the Nazis are working hand in hand with the muzzies.
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I hope it wasn't "George Bush the Hero".
I know he said he lived in Germany, and also that he was 17.
No. I would never do it! It's was a terrible day. But there are more and more school massacres. 2002 Erfurt, 2006 Emsdetten (ca. 60 miles away from my home) and yesterday Winnenden. 16 dead people. He was a 17 year old German boy. Germany is crazy.
German news:
http://nachrichten.t-online.de/c/18/08/63/84/18086384.html (http://nachrichten.t-online.de/c/18/08/63/84/18086384.html)
May God bless the victims and their familys.
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I hope it wasn't "George Bush the Hero".
I know he said he lived in Germany, and also that he was 17.
No. I would never do it! It's was a terrible day. But there are more and more school massacres. 2002 Erfurt, 2006 Emsdetten (ca. 60 miles away from my home) and yesterday Winnenden. 16 dead people. He was a 17 year old German boy. Germany is crazy.
German news:
http://nachrichten.t-online.de/c/18/08/63/84/18086384.html (http://nachrichten.t-online.de/c/18/08/63/84/18086384.html)
May G-d bless the victims and their familys.
Huh...good to hear it brother, I was nervous, be safe and fine in Germany!
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It will be hard to live or be safe here in Germany. I have school tomorrow and I am a bit afraid. But I don't think it will happen here! I hope it.
God bless Germany! :(
(http://www.stepstone.de/content/de/images/iStock_Flagge_Deutschland.jpg)
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RIP to the victims.
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Glad you are ok GWB.
My heart also goes out to the families of the victims. I also feel terrible for the family of the perpetrator. How horrible it must be for a parent to hear this news and find out it was done by their own family.
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Tragic situation there. Interestingly, his name actually sounds Jewish. Anyone know if he was?
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Tragic situation there. Interestingly, his name actually sounds Jewish. Anyone know if he was?
He wasn't Jewish. It's believed he was bullied and rejected by girls.
It's sad to see this, But Germany, And especially Europe,(finland) Have seen this before.
If you want to know about a School shooting by Muslims, Look at the Beslen, in south otsittia
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This Tim was against girls. Girls laughed a thim that's why he shot most of the girls. People called him "Looser". He was getting bader at school. People bullied him that much that he made a school massacre.
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I already see myself when I shoot 100 muslims in the mosques. After what they did to Sarah, they don't deserve mercy, DEATH TO ARABS, DEATH TO ISLAM! NEVER FORGIVE FOR THE KILLERS!!!
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http://www.terebess.hu/keletkultinfo/iszlam.html
Mosques in Hungary...some windows will be broke soon.
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This Tim was against girls. Girls laughed a thim that's why he shot most of the girls. People called him "Looser". He was getting bader at school. People bullied him that much that he made a school massacre.
Ich hatte gestern frei wegen dieser theme...
R.I.P Victims of the AlbertVille shooting.
http://www.bild.de/BILD/news/2009/03/13/winnenden/animation-schule/blutspur-des-amoklaeufers.html (http://www.bild.de/BILD/news/2009/03/13/winnenden/animation-schule/blutspur-des-amoklaeufers.html)
Their is a video, on how he did it!
Video Translation:
The Albert RealSchool in Winnenden. The location where Tim killed 12 people.
9:30, Tim Krensher enters the school armed, He walks in the empty hallway, He first shot a teacher, Room 301, There the class 10D were being taught, This is where the perpitrator started his bloodbath. 6 pupils die.{ pictures show who die}, He came twice in the Room with his hand gun, On the way he meets two Female teachers, German Teach, And Physic teacher, They wanted too get in his way, He didn't like that. He killed them cold blooded, He beleived the rooms to his left were empty and locked, At the end he finds the class 10C. Here he killed 3 females students. The police enterd the building, Tim flees via the back door, On his bloody way though the Real School, He shot 16 times
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http://www.terebess.hu/keletkultinfo/iszlam.html
Mosques in Hungary...some windows will be broke soon.
:clap:
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I already see myself when I shoot 100 muslims in the mosques. After what they did to Sarah, they don't deserve mercy, DEATH TO ARABS, DEATH TO ISLAM! NEVER FORGIVE FOR THE KILLERS!!!
What did they do to Sarah? Our sarah whose father was morrocan and mother Irish
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I already see myself when I shoot 100 muslims in the mosques. After what they did to Sarah, they don't deserve mercy, DEATH TO ARABS, DEATH TO ISLAM! NEVER FORGIVE FOR THE KILLERS!!!
What did they do to Sarah? Our sarah whose father was morrocan and mother Irish
Her father was French who lives in Morocco. Soon you will know, please be patient. Today I will create a thread. Trust me!
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Here is my opinion. The problem with the world today is that everyone has become selfish and expects the world to bend to their own expectations. The problem, I believe, is that parents have not taught their children that life will always be a series of ups and downs. Sometimes we are on top of the world and everything goes our way. And there are times when everything in the world seems to be against us and we cannot win.
Rabbi Nachman of Breslov would teach his students that depression is natural but with the proper outlook a person can deal with the negative parts of life while retaining his inner joy. I have been studying a lot of Mussar {Character Development} and I have learned that everyone deals with set-backs. Some people who learn are able to deal with these negative events in their life.
I have read recently that the shooter in this case suffered from 'depression'. While there are medical conditions which can bring on depression I believe that even those who suffer from these conditions can change their nature. I have actually seen it happen. I look at myself who struggles daily with many problems which would cause others to loose faith.
It is terrible that evil like this exists. It seems that every day we read about people snapping and killing themselves and their families. The brutal nature of mankind stems from our animal souls which compete with our G-dlike souls for prominence. The victims are innocent and do not deserve their fate, but they will be rewarded for their suffering. As my brother was a victim I know he is rewarded in the next world. The free-will of the perpetrator, unfortunately, is of utmost importance to bring this world to its desired goal.
My prayers go out to all the victims who suffer at the hands of this worldly evil. I pray for protection for all who have faith and walk in the ways of the wise.
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I already see myself when I shoot 100 muslims in the mosques. After what they did to Sarah, they don't deserve mercy, DEATH TO ARABS, DEATH TO ISLAM! NEVER FORGIVE FOR THE KILLERS!!!
What did they do to Sarah? Our sarah whose father was morrocan and mother Irish
Her father was French who lives in Morocco. Soon you will know, please be patient. Today I will create a thread. Trust me!
o.k. Thanks PZ.
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I already see myself when I shoot 100 muslims in the mosques. After what they did to Sarah, they don't deserve mercy, DEATH TO ARABS, DEATH TO ISLAM! NEVER FORGIVE FOR THE KILLERS!!!
What did they do to Sarah? Our sarah whose father was morrocan and mother Irish
Her father was French who lives in Morocco. Soon you will know, please be patient. Today I will create a thread. Trust me!
o.k. Thanks PZ.
I made a thread about the tragedy.
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I am sorry if I am posting off topic but I believe that the following article from Breslev.co.il relates to what I said in my previous post. I realize these words will not comfort those who are suffering the effects of the criminals acts, I hope that these words may help someone, specifically any Jews who want to fulfill the mitzvot, who is dealing with crisis in their lives right now.
http://www.breslev.co.il/articles/family/health_and_fitness/emuna_and_mental_health.aspx?id=10301&language=english
Refua, Part 5
Rebbe Nachman of Breslev writes (Likutei Moharan I:173) that the soul and emuna are one aspect. Consequently, one’s emotional health is directly related to the level of one’s emuna. We therefore conclude that emotional disturbances result from a breakdown of emuna. Emotional confusion results from confused emuna. Emotional weakness is the outcome of weak emuna. This is a rule of thumb for all mental illness.
Allow me to clarify: I’m not referring to such mental handicaps from birth such as autism and Down’s syndrome. These are the result of Divine considerations and soul reincarnations, neither of which we are capable of understanding. Yet, when we see that a person is born healthy, but at a later age succumbs to fear, anxiety, depression, and even schizophrenia, or any other mental or emotional difficulties, the root of the problem is a blemished emuna. But here’s the good news: if an emotionally-disturbed individual learns all about emuna and prays for emuna, he or she will recover from the ailment. The more a person corrects and strengthens emuna, the more he or she will enjoy mental and emotional health.
Every person – even the so-called “normal” person – suffers from emotional problems to a certain degree. In addition to fear, anxiety, and depression, people are plagued with boredom, lack of satisfaction, anger, worries, nervousness, and extreme mood fluctuations, just to name a few. Emuna cures all these ills.
What are you afraid of?
People are frozen with fear. They fear other people, their bosses, the IRS, terrorists, other motorists – the list is long. Any time they get a muscle spasm, they envision some imminent crippling or terminal disease. All these fears are expressions of a lack of emuna, particularly the lack of emuna that everything Hashem does is for our very best. A person with emuna doesn’t fear anything, for he knows that he’s in Hashem’s care and that everything Hashem does is for the very best. This saves tons of emotional wear and tear; since Hashem does everything for the best, then there’s nothing to worry about.
A person than devotes an hour a day to self-evaluation, teshuva, and personal prayer especially has nothing to worry about. If a person is making his best effort at self-improvement, then why should Hashem punish him? Such a person doesn’t need wake-up calls, because he’s daily arousing himself to teshuva and to self-improvement. The result of an hour a day in personal prayer is increased happiness and decreased stress and worry.
Be happy!
Stringencies in religious observance are madness; therefore, no one should be too exacting with himself. Don’t worry about whether your performance of a mitzvah is perfect or not, just do what you can with innocence and with simplicity of thought and intent. Remember that the Torah wasn’t given to angels, but to human beings with human limitations. Those who demand angelic deportment from themselves are therefore candidates for frustration, gloom, and disappointment that results from the arrogant feeling that they should be doing everything perfectly. A person connected to the truth is happy serving Hashem the best way he or she can, without going into hair-splitting stringencies.
Belief in our wise men
Rebbe Nachman of Breslev teaches (See Rebbe Nachman’s Discourses, 67) that, “Ignoring the wise can cause insanity. A person acts insane only because he ignores the advice of others. If he would take rational advice, he could act normal. His mental state might rationalize his need to do such things as tearing his clothing and rolling in the garbage. But a wiser man than he tells him not to do these things. If he would only subjugate his will to the wise, his actions would become completely rational. Insane behavior therefore results only from ignoring the wise. Understand this well.”
The above teaching obligates any rational personal to heed the words of the wise, especially of our renowned spiritual leaders. Belief in their words together with emuna in Hashem is the key to mental health. The Torah praises the children of Israel during their flight from bondage in Egypt when it says (Exodus 14:31), “And they believed in Hashem and in His servant Moses.”
Torah study
Rebbe Nachman of Breslev, probably the greatest doctor of the soul that ever lived, also teaches (see Abridged Likutei Moharan, I:1) that “by learning Torah, one is saved from madness.”
The Yetzer Hara, the evil inclination, wants to drive a person crazy. Our sages teach us that a person doesn’t sin unless the spirit of insanity enters his brain. As the evil inclination (EI) wants a person to sin, he injects that person with a dose of insanity. The EI has all kinds of ploys to trap a person, and uses a number of different temptations and confusions to twist one’s better judgment. The only way to guard against these pitfalls is by strengthening Torah learning and strengthening emuna.
Thoughts
“Evil thoughts and contemplations of lust make people crazy” (Likutei Moharan I:60). There is a very strong correlation between personal holiness and mental health. The opposite is also sad and true, that the more a person succumbs to lust and lewd thoughts, the less sane he becomes. People notoriously do insane things to fulfill their lusts, whether it be squandering hard-earned money, risking the wrath of the irate husband of the woman they covet, or breaking up their own home and ruining their own lives as well as the lives of their wife and children. Pornography adds to this insanity. Therefore, guarding one’s eyes and mind from lewd and forbidden input is just as important as guarding one’s mouth from swallowing poison. In fact, it’s easier to poison the mind that it is to poison the body.
Torah learning, learning about emuna, sincere teshuva in the area of personal holiness, extensive personal prayer, and guarding one’s eyes especially from impure books, movies, magazines, and websites are conducive to escaping the pitfalls of the type of evil thoughts and contemplations of last that make a normal person insane.
A person should pray for happiness. Happiness and good mental health go hand in hand. True happiness comes from enhanced emuna.