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Save Western Civilization => Save America => Topic started by: RationalThought110 on March 25, 2007, 10:12:56 AM
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Marriage is pretty much over in my age group...I'm Gen X and we never had a chance. All our parents were divorced...all the media we watched growing up portrayed the family negatively...and on top of that it's just too damn expensive to have kids in America. I would rather kill my kids than send them to public schools. Plus, those of us who have vision know that our white children will grow up in a 3rd world hellhole anyway...so why bother bringing them into the world just to suffer?
I only have a few friends that have kids...and most of my friends live with their girlfriends and will never have kids
Gen X is finished (most aptly named generation in the history of America)
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Marriage is pretty much over in my age group...I'm Gen X and we never had a chance. All our parents were divorced...all the media we watched growing up portrayed the family negatively...and on top of that it's just too damn expensive to have kids in America. I would rather kill my kids than send them to public schools. Plus, those of us who have vision know that our white children will grow up in a 3rd world hellhole anyway...so why bother bringing them into the world just to suffer?
I only have a few friends that have kids...and most of my friends live with their girlfriends and will never have kids
Gen X is finished (most aptly named generation in the history of America)
I feel the same way but I get tears in my eyes seeing the little white children alive today. They have a very uncertain future. There are still places in the world where white people are > 90% of the population and many of these people, not thinking about the world around them, happily continue having children. But these young white people of today are going to suffer when they are adults. The [censored] will have taken over by then, and do you think [censored] will operate affirmative action and quotas for the white minority? I don't think so. Once in power the [censored] will make affirmative action against whites even more potent, just like they are doing in South Africa, where the tiny white minority (less than 10% of the population) are the VICTIMS of stringent affirmative action!
Not only that but the [censored] will take their pick of the most beautiful white girls.
What a horrible horrible future these last whites are going to have. I feel suicidal thinking about it.
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What your posts tell me is that "White" Generation X better stop analyzing their problems and start having children - in wedlock. :)
Especially you Din Rodef!
I bet you can put some productive children on the face of the earth.
It seems you understand the problems of your generation and would not like to repeat them.
FOTL I don't think you should be reproducing at this point in time! ;) No offense.
I say help save us and our children from being the minority - that is truly a horrific thought.
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Fruit is northern Scotland so cosmopolitan like in the South of Scotland
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Don't forget that 1/3 of the people who left in the Exodus were Egyptian Erev Rav: real Hamites!
More essence of black than any black alive today. And they intermarried with and became incorporated into the Am Yisrael.
Which is why many yidden have negroidal features, especially Sefardim. And even think like negroes ir not too smart!
Jews have more in common with the real original African Bnei Cham than with the white Japhetic Anglos-Scots-Celts-Irish-Serbs-Dutch-Germans-Ukranians-Russians-Anzacs etc etc, who will mostly have disappeared in 100 years.
Vancier says that our last hope is that AIDS worldwide will keep the schvartzes from over burgeoning. AIDS has already greatly culled and supressed the numbers of black males, even in the USA.
The interesting film "V for Vendetta" (with Jewess leftist Israeli slutlette Natalie Portman) depicts the UK 10 years from now, where a warfare virus has killed off all pigmented Anglo-Caribbeans, Anglo-Pakis and Anglo-Hindus, leaving the British whites alone again!
Prof Paul Eidelberg says that the future is in the East, and that Orthodox professionals have founded the "Eastern Oriented Aliance", to make contact with the Chinese, where he believes the future of the next civilisation lies, as the West is in terminal decline, & that we Jews should prepare for that.
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Prof Paul Eidelberg says that the future is in the East, and that Orthodox professionals have founded the "Eastern Oriented Aliance", to make contact with the Chinese, where he believes the future of the next civilisation lies, as the West is in terminal decline, & that we Jews should prepare for that.
The future is most definately NOT in the East. All of their "advances" are stolen. They robbed the West of it's manufacturing base while using western consumers to finance their military buildups.
Someday, the western consumers will have no more money to spend...and there will be no more to steal from the West. At this time, the Asian east will realize that they have polluted themselves out of their own nations. They will realize that they can no longer maintain their large populations without economic growth. Then, they will seek to strike out and create a world empire.
When they fight...THEY WILL BE DESTROYED. They will be destroyed by in-fighting and by the remnants of Western powers.
The problem I have is watching it all happen. This will happen during my lifetime. I will never bring a child into the world to witness this. Hashem is a monster for creating this situation.
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What your posts tell me is that "White" Generation X better stop analyzing their problems and start having children - in wedlock. :)
Especially you Din Rodef!
I bet you can put some productive children on the face of the earth.
It seems you understand the problems of your generation and would not like to repeat them.
FOTL I don't think you should be reproducing at this point in time! ;) No offense.
I say help save us and our children from being the minority - that is truly a horrific thought.
Thanks for you post bullcat
My generation is over. We are the ones that will have to fight and die so that the next generation can prosper. I think it is the people in their teens and twenties now that are the ones who will have children for the next generation.
Generation X is similar to the generation that was forced to wander the desert after the Exodus...we are being punished for what our evil baby boomer parents did.....my generation can never get to "Israel" (returned West)...but we can make certain that the next generation "gets there."
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Marriage is pretty much over in my age group...I'm Gen X and we never had a chance. All our parents were divorced...all the media we watched growing up portrayed the family negatively...and on top of that it's just too damn expensive to have kids in America. I would rather kill my kids than send them to public schools. Plus, those of us who have vision know that our white children will grow up in a 3rd world hellhole anyway...so why bother bringing them into the world just to suffer?
I only have a few friends that have kids...and most of my friends live with their girlfriends and will never have kids
Gen X is finished (most aptly named generation in the history of America)
I feel the same way but I get tears in my eyes seeing the little white children alive today. They have a very uncertain future. There are still places in the world where white people are > 90% of the population and many of these people, not thinking about the world around them, happily continue having children. But these young white people of today are going to suffer when they are adults. The schvartzas will have taken over by then, and do you think schvartzas will operate affirmative action and quotas for the white minority? I don't think so. Once in power the schvartzas will make affirmative action against whites even more potent, just like they are doing in South Africa, where the tiny white minority (less than 10% of the population) are the VICTIMS of stringent affirmative action!
Not only that but the schvartzas will take their pick of the most beautiful white girls.
What a horrible horrible future these last whites are going to have. I feel suicidal thinking about it.
Who cares? Black, white, green, so what? A child of an American Black is as American as the child of an American White, and is a further soldier in the war on terror. And you claim JTF is not racist...
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Hashem is a monster for creating this situation.
You cannot ever say such a thing. It is a terrible avera to curse Hashem. Everything He does is for the best.
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Who cares? Black, white, green, so what? A child of an American Black is as American as the child of an American White, and is a further soldier in the war on terror. And you claim JTF is not racist...
Well, since everybody is the same...and according to your logic....
3 million Chinese people could just move to Israel right? 20 million Mexicans could just move to Israel? We're all the same...red, green, blue doesn't matter right? 5 million Balestinians can just live in the land of Israel...right???
WRONG - The land of Israel belongs to the Israelites and NOBODY ELSE
America belongs to White Christian Europeans and NOBODY ELSE.
Your "red, green blue..everybody is the same crap" is pure Satanism. You're advocating the destruction of all identity and nationality. You're advocating the destruction of all individuality and private property. Your philosophy will turn the world into a tower of Babel.
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And you claim JTF is not racist...
I can only speak for myself, not JTF
I'M A RACIST
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Marriage is pretty much over in my age group...I'm Gen X and we never had a chance. All our parents were divorced...all the media we watched growing up portrayed the family negatively...and on top of that it's just too damn expensive to have kids in America. I would rather kill my kids than send them to public schools. Plus, those of us who have vision know that our white children will grow up in a 3rd world hellhole anyway...so why bother bringing them into the world just to suffer?
I only have a few friends that have kids...and most of my friends live with their girlfriends and will never have kids
Gen X is finished (most aptly named generation in the history of America)
I feel the same way but I get tears in my eyes seeing the little white children alive today. They have a very uncertain future. There are still places in the world where white people are > 90% of the population and many of these people, not thinking about the world around them, happily continue having children. But these young white people of today are going to suffer when they are adults. The schvartzas will have taken over by then, and do you think schvartzas will operate affirmative action and quotas for the white minority? I don't think so. Once in power the schvartzas will make affirmative action against whites even more potent, just like they are doing in South Africa, where the tiny white minority (less than 10% of the population) are the VICTIMS of stringent affirmative action!
Not only that but the schvartzas will take their pick of the most beautiful white girls.
What a horrible horrible future these last whites are going to have. I feel suicidal thinking about it.
Who cares? Black, white, green, so what? A child of an American Black is as American as the child of an American White, and is a further soldier in the war on terror. And you claim JTF is not racist...
Well I care for one and I am sure there are many other folks that do also but they are too polite to say anything. I am not polite when it comes to issues like this and I have not been beaten into submission by the politically correct. True Black children born here in America are as American as any other citizen however I would not want to be around when they become the majority. Anything that falls into their hands eventually turns to [censored]. When blacks intermingle with Whites the whites go steadily down the tubes. Look at South Africa since the Blacks took control would you say "who cares " about whats happening there. Maybe send some of them Green people around we might have some better luck with them.
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Maybe send some of them Green people around we might have some better luck with them.
excellent post, cjd
Haha...green people...Well, everybody else on the planet has already invaded America. The only invaders left would have to be green people from Mars LOL
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It's time for conservatives to fight back against the vast left-wing conspiracy.
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Wow....
There does seem to be a bit too much racist thinking going on here. Thankfully the din person at least admitted that he was a racist and not the JTF.
As for a marriage crises there certainly is one. Most people who marry are not prepared for marriage. They have some unrealistic expectations that are fostered in the media. (Ideas like...when the going gets tough...quit. Or ideas like...if you love someone that love should be a burning flame that lasts a lifetime...oh and by the way....you shouldn't have to work at it if it's REAL love.) All utter nonsense and all propagated by Hollywood.)
If you are talking about intermarriage etc. Here is the absolute BEST solution. MAKE ALIYAH. Move to Israel, find a nice Jewish girl and live in the Land G-d has given us. We shouldn't just be talking about "What can we do to help Israel. What can I do from here etc.) If ALL of us firy right wingers moved to Israel...well then...Israel would have a boost in its Jewish population...and all of us would most certainly bring a fire and love for Israel that I think a lot of native Israelis have lost.
I speak for myself as well here. I want to move back to Israel incredibly bad. For me, I have got to find a way to make contacts in the film making community there. If I can't do that from here, pretty soon I'm going to have to break down, move back anyway and make contacts once I get there.
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Here is the absolute BEST solution. MAKE ALIYAH. Move to Israel, find a nice Jewish girl and live in the Land G-d has given us. We shouldn't just be talking about "What can we do to help Israel. What can I do from here etc.) If ALL of us firy right wingers moved to Israel...well then...Israel would have a boost in its Jewish population...and all of us would most certainly bring a fire and love for Israel that I think a lot of native Israelis have lost.
Excellent post
MAKE ALIYAH...I absolutely agree...that would solve 90% of problems that Jews have.
Please understand my previous post. Hashem is a racist...after all...he gave Israel to the Jews and NOBODY ELSE. Chinese, Balestinians, Mexicans etc do not belong in Israel. Only Israelites belong in Israel. Doesn't that make Hashem a racist?
Please understand that anti-racism (the destruction of the concept of race) is also the destruction of the concept of a Jewish people. Jews share a religion...but they also share a very real bloodline. If evil people destroy the concept of race then they also simultaneously destroy the special role of Jews in this world and they destroy the Jewish claim to live in the land of Israel.
anti-racism = anti-zionism
I am a White Christian American...Can I make Aliyah? NO I cannot. Aliyah is not for non-Jews. Does supporting Israel make me a racist?...yer darn right it does ;D
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"Racist" means seeking out another race for persecution or deprecation.
"Racialist" is different, and means acknowledging the obvious that there are different races created by Hashem, and that each has a different tafkid (task) in His plan.
A Torah Jew is by definition a racialist and believes in racialism.
Whereas racism is generally reserved by us against Amalekites only!
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"Racist" means seeking out another race for persecution or deprecation.
"Racialist" is different, and means acknowledging the obvious that there are different races created by Hashem, and that each has a different tafkid (task) in His plan.
A Torah Jew is by definition a racialist and believes in racialism.
Whereas racism is generally reserved by us against Amalekites only!
Ok...so let's play the little game
If I say that America belongs to White Christian European Gentiles...then what am I?
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If you want my opinion, it's that widespread acceptance of heterosexual "common-law" unions (i.e. shacking-up) is even more devastating than queer "marriages". There will always be vastly more straight cohabitors than queers, and there will always be far more young people led astray by immoral straight lifestyles than homosexual.
What cohabitors and queer "life partners" have in common is how deluded they are and the fact that they are hellbent on forcing society to recognize their abominable lifestyles as "marriage".
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The negro race is an abomination before my eyes.
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Fruit is northern Scotland so cosmopolitan like in the South of Scotland
Edinburgh is full of golliwogs. :o
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Who cares? Black, white, green, so what? A child of an American Black is as American as the child of an American White, and is a further soldier in the war on terror. And you claim JTF is not racist...
If racial differences were unimportant then people wouldn't make such a big deal out of affirmative action and promoting black men's penises to white women. From psychoanalysis we know that the pro-black media frenzy is a case of a guilt complex employing over-compensation to sell a lie to the people. If people genuinely believed that blacks were as good as whites then there would be absolutely no affirmative action.
A simple fact and a parable.
That is human nature.
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Fruit is northern Scotland so cosmopolitan like in the South of Scotland
Edinburgh is full of golliwogs. :o
No imeam places like Paisley and North
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A Torah Jew is by definition a racialist and believes in racialism.
The Torah does describe nations, but there is no mention of race whatsoever in the Torah.
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Wasn't this supposed to be a thread on Marriage? How did the subject of black people and races get into this thread? Ah! I know. Fruit of thy loins brought his racist garbage in here.
I do believe G-d has a purpose for each different race of mankind. But that one poster was right. The Torah does not mention any "races." The Torah should be the ONLY method of judging another man or woman. Race has nothing to with anything. I really wish people would stop with that kind of talk. It is not productive in any way shape or form....
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It will turn off people who potentially would agree with Kahanist Political viewpoints. Like me. I somehow doubt that Rabbi Kahane would talk about Black people the way some of these posters do. I somehow doubt that race ever factors in to a Biblical Zionist world view.
And THAT is what these forums ought to be promoting and helping to achieve. Nothing less.
If you go off on tangents that are completely irrelevant to changing America and Israel for the better then what use are you to the boards?
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It seem that the issue of race seems to get injected into almost every discussion here.
I don't know if it has anything to do with Rabbi Kahane ZT"L at all. From what I know of him, he didn't hate all blacks. I got the impression that Chaim and the JTF organizers use racism to attract right-wing politically minded people to support their cause. I don't think it's a good stategy at all because it alienates other black and latino Jews and Christian Zionists who support am Yisrael.
I don't believe that everyone here is a racist but there are at least a few here who, if not are all out racists, are overly obsessed with race.
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The blonde races are babes spiritually and intellectually and need to be nurtured and cared for.
Blonde and white children are beautiful.
Black children are demons from hell.
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Demons exist and can sometimes take on the appearance of human beings.
Demons frequently enter the body of negroes and cause them to commit all manner of abomination.
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Are you freaking kidding me?
Fruit, you sound EXACTLY like neo-Nazi creeps who say that Jews and Jewish children are the product of devils and demons. I suppose black kids also drink blood like coolaid as they eat fried chicken right?
That's just sick. And I for one, am sick of hearing disgusting comments like that. It is NOT funny. And it DOES turn people off from wanting to visit these boards. I feel like leaving myself after hearing all the racist crap half you guys spew.
Where is Hashem in ANY of this? Where is the REAL purpose of JTF being promoted? Isn't Zionism supposed to be what JTF is all about? If not, I'll freakin go elsewhere. Somewhere people are actually serious about doing something for Israel rather than talking about it. Somewhere people are not full of hate and anger toward other races...just because their skin is a different color.
That's NOT Zionism.
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Are you freaking kidding me?
Fruit, you sound EXACTLY like neo-Nazi creeps who say that Jews and Jewish children are the product of devils and demons. I suppose black kids also drink blood like coolaid as they eat fried chicken right?
That's just sick. And I for one, am sick of hearing disgusting comments like that. It is NOT funny. And it DOES turn people off from wanting to visit these boards. I feel like leaving myself after hearing all the racist crap half you guys spew.
Where is Hashem in ANY of this? Where is the REAL purpose of JTF being promoted? Isn't Zionism supposed to be what JTF is all about? If not, I'll freakin go elsewhere. Somewhere people are actually serious about doing something for Israel rather than talking about it. Somewhere people are not full of hate and anger toward other races...just because their skin is a different color.
That's NOT Zionism.
I believe the Hebrew-speaking forum concentrates solely on Israel but because the ENglish forum is also for gentiles there is a wider scope of discussion. To be honest Zionism isn't the only thing on my mind. There should be an ignore button here for those who are chronically intolerant.
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Fruit, you sound EXACTLY like neo-Nazi creeps who say that Jews and Jewish children are the product of devils and demons. I suppose black kids also drink blood like coolaid as they eat fried chicken right?
Black men dance virility dances because it invites demons into their bodies with which they then go and seduce white women. The demons overpower the white woman's senses and before you know it she is spread out on all fours in the bedroom with her sooty-bosomed lothario. The white woman's free will is severely hampered by this demonic influence. G-d Himself revels in the sight of such wickedness, because it is written, 'The L-rd - he is a man of war, the L-rd is his name.'
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FOTL, do you dance with da white wimmuns when you go out to the club? You should check out Old Street.
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Wasn't this supposed to be a thread on Marriage? How did the subject of black people and races get into this thread? Ah! I know. Fruit of thy loins brought his racist garbage in here.
I do believe G-d has a purpose for each different race of mankind. But that one poster was right. The Torah does not mention any "races." The Torah should be the ONLY method of judging another man or woman. Race has nothing to with anything. I really wish people would stop with that kind of talk. It is not productive in any way shape or form....
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It will turn off people who potentially would agree with Kahanist Political viewpoints. Like me. I somehow doubt that Rabbi Kahane would talk about Black people the way some of these posters do. I somehow doubt that race ever factors in to a Biblical Zionist world view.
And THAT is what these forums ought to be promoting and helping to achieve. Nothing less.
If you go off on tangents that are completely irrelevant to changing America and Israel for the better then what use are you to the boards?
Dawntreader
You're sharp and I like your posts
But you just don't seem to get it. Race matters. Blood matters. I you eliminate the concept of race then you also eliminate the concept of Israel. Israel is for the Israelites...the Jews. It's not for the white crusaders...it's not for the muslim Arabs. Israel is for the Jews. Race matters.
White Christian Gentiles are being assaulted by 3rd world barbarians. Our nations are being polluted with foreign races. If we don't stick up for ourselves...we will be destroyed and overrun just like Israel was destroyed 2000 years ago.
If you call White Gentiles racists...Then you better call all Zionists racists too.
I'm a White Christian American Gentile. and I want to save my country and my people just like Jewish Zionists want to save Israel.
Why is that so hard to understand?
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I believe the Hebrew-speaking forum concentrates solely on Israel but because the ENglish forum is also for gentiles there is a wider scope of discussion. To be honest Zionism isn't the only thing on my mind. There should be an ignore button here for those who are chronically intolerant.
This is good...because it helps to expose the hypocrisy of many Jews.
If Jews want to support Israel and if they are Zionists...then that is good...they are protecting their own people and culture.
But if White people want to protect white nations and white cultures...well then that makes them Nazis... and that is bad....Right? Isn't that what the majority of Jews really think?
This kind of hypocrisy must be exposed.
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Wasn't this supposed to be a thread on Marriage? How did the subject of black people and races get into this thread? Ah! I know. Fruit of thy loins brought his racist garbage in here.
I do believe G-d has a purpose for each different race of mankind. But that one poster was right. The Torah does not mention any "races." The Torah should be the ONLY method of judging another man or woman. Race has nothing to with anything. I really wish people would stop with that kind of talk. It is not productive in any way shape or form....
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It will turn off people who potentially would agree with Kahanist Political viewpoints. Like me. I somehow doubt that Rabbi Kahane would talk about Black people the way some of these posters do. I somehow doubt that race ever factors in to a Biblical Zionist world view.
And THAT is what these forums ought to be promoting and helping to achieve. Nothing less.
If you go off on tangents that are completely irrelevant to changing America and Israel for the better then what use are you to the boards?
Dawntreader
You're sharp and I like your posts
But you just don't seem to get it. Race matters. Blood matters. I you eliminate the concept of race then you also eliminate the concept of Israel. Israel is for the Israelites...the Jews. It's not for the white crusaders...it's not for the muslim Arabs. Israel is for the Jews. Race matters.
White Christian Gentiles are being assaulted by 3rd world barbarians. Our nations are being polluted with foreign races. If we don't stick up for ourselves...we will be destroyed and overrun just like Israel was destroyed 2000 years ago.
If you call White Gentiles racists...Then you better call all Zionists racists too.
I'm a White Christian American Gentile. and I want to save my country and my people just like Jewish Zionists want to save Israel.
Why is that so hard to understand?
Din Rodef the problem with Dawntreader extreme Liberalism. Its been my experience when people talk about others being racist and in a condescending manor to boot that is usually the case.
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Din Rodef the problem with Dawntreader extreme Liberalism. Its been my experience when people talk about others being racist and in a condescending manor to boot that is usually the case.
CJD
you are 1000% right about liberals
But, I really like Dawntreader...have read many of his excellent posts...and don't think he's a liberal.
Personally, I just think he's a slightly confused Jew because he's living in America.
I believe it's difficult for Jews that live in America to fully support a White Christian Gentile America because that would mean they don't really belong here. So many Jews attempt to "have it both ways"...they attempt to prove that they are good Jews by supporting Zionism and Israel...but then they attempt to justify their Jewish presence in America by supporting multi-culturalism and multi-racialism.
This confusion can easily be cured by making Aliyah. Chaim talks about this all of the time. He says that Jews aren't "whole" until they're living in the land of Israel.
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I believe it's difficult for Jews that live in America to fully support a White Christian Gentile America because that would mean they don't really belong here. So many Jews attempt to "have it both ways"...they attempt to prove that they are good Jews by supporting Zionism and Israel...but then they attempt to justify their Jewish presence in America by supporting multi-culturalism and multi-racialism.
This confusion can easily be cured by making Aliyah. Chaim talks about this all of the time. He says that Jews aren't "whole" until they're living in the land of Israel.
So how would that explain all the sick self hating Arabist Jews in Israel, several of whom are college professors, who teach that Israel is evil. Or what about Ehud Olmert's sick left wing lesbian daughter, who Chaim said protested against the Jews, chanting "long live the intifada." Then there's Olmert's wife who is the head of the group "Women in Black" which harasses the IDF. And there's many many more of them.
Unfortunately, being in Israel doesn't make Jews any less wacko or self hating.
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Re: "...This kind of hypocrisy must be exposed..."
Chief Sitting Bull agrees.
ALL but Red Man will leave, or die!
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Re: "...This kind of hypocrisy must be exposed..."
Chief Sitting Bull agrees.
ALL but Red Man will leave, or die!
That's you're clever little way of calling me a redneck for defending my own country and people.
Notice...that you just took the side of America's pagan enemy?
Your little statement confirms what I already knew...that you don't truly identify with the White Christian Gentile majority of America. This is not unique to MassuhD...In fact, it is a trait that most Jews living in America possess (Chaim excluded). That is why American Jews must move to Israel.
Chaim says it all the time. Hashem commands it. Jews must return to Israel.
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Well, I have to say thank you to Din Rodef.
I am certainly not a liberal. I also am not (At least not completely) multi-cultural.
But here is the rub....
1. The The U.S.A. although founded by English colonies has long had a tradition of allowing peoples from all over the world to immigrate to this nation. Before the English colonies rebelled against England and became the USA, North America had Spanish, French and English colonists yes? But before THEM North America had an indigenous (Don't know if I spelled that right) population...the Native American tribes (Some of whom were less Asiatic in appearance such as the Cherokee who look pretty Caucasian) but regardless...
For those who think that the USA is a nation for White Anglo Saxon Protestants...I think you fail to remember those people who were here first...and the fact that there has always been immigration (I'm talking legal...not illegal here...immigration by peoples of different nationalities.)
The USA has never once been a country of just White people. It truly is a melting pot. There is no other nation like it. Most other European nations, or Asian nations or Middle Eastern nations...really have their foundations on ethnic groups that claimed particular tracts of land.
The USA is not like that.
Also, for me...as I've tried to explain before, the real issue is mankind's behavior. I believe what the Tanach has to say, and I believe that G-d cares less for someone's race than He does for their hearts and minds.
For those that say as Din Rodef did, that Israel is for the Jews...well in this he is right. But it doesn't have to do altogether with race. Sure, we have a bloodline...but we've had gentiles convert to Judaism throughout time and they've mixed in. And I guarentee if G-d got very angry with us because NO one was following Him...he could wipe us all out...and tomorrow raise up for Himself a new group of people to call his own. This very day, He could raise up Jews from the dust of the Earth.
He could do the same to any nation on Earth. He could wipe out all Negros, all White people etc. and tomorrow create a new nation of people with the same features but with new hearts and new minds.
For those who don't believe that races should mix...well and good. I don't have a big argument for you there. But I don't believe it's a sin.
The reason G-d told the Jews not to marry gentiles was because Gentiles often serve other gods...and it is a temptation for the Jew who marries a Gentile to leave HaShem and serve other gods. But if that Gentile serves HaShem? Look at Ruth and Boaz in the Bible.
I believe it is wrong to dislike someone because they are different physically. There is no question, there is no doubt, that I am right in this. The Torah never mentions race.
If people believe that blacks should go back to Africa, and that Jews should go back to Israel (Which I have to admit I think that Israel is our home) then every person of German descent should remove himself from the USA and go back to Germany. Every person of English descent, Irish Descent, Swedish, Norwegian, Danish, French and Spanish descent should remove themselves from the USA and back to Europe.
The USA would then be back in the hands of the Native Americans.
And if you want to split hairs, then Germans should not marry Englishmen. Englishmen should not marry Irish women. The French should not marry a Greek. No one should marry outside their very own ethnic and language group. Because not even all White people share the same ancestry.
Do you see how silly this is?
Not one hair of it is based on the Tanach or G-d's will for mankind.
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Re: "...This kind of hypocrisy must be exposed..."
Chief Sitting Bull agrees.
ALL but Red Man will leave, or die!
What!! And leave all this to the Injuns? Lets not get nuts here.
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So how would that explain all the sick self hating Arabist Jews in Israel, several of whom are college professors, who teach that Israel is evil. Or what about Ehud Olmert's sick left wing lesbian daughter, who Chaim said protested against the Jews, chanting "long live the intifada." Then there's Olmert's wife who is the head of the group "Women in Black" which harasses the IDF. And there's many many more of them.
Unfortunately, being in Israel doesn't make Jews any less wacko or self hating.
You're right about everything you just posted...but I'm not talking about Jews in Israel...I'm talking about Jews in the United States
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I just thought of this as well.
While I would personally like to see a Christian USA...and when I say Christian, I mean a USA that actually follows what Jesus taught and was not some pagan monstrosity like Catholicism...
Christianity itself does not limit itself to white people. I think Jesus himself wanted Christianity to be spread to anyone who would listen to the gospel and accept it.
So to me, it doesn't matter if the Gentiles in the USA are red, white or blue...as long as they are Christian and are trying to follow the G-d of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob...I'm good.
But we all know that not even all White people are real Christians. There's plenty who are Christians but in name only. (Same as in any religion.)
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dawntreader, I feel that you already know this, but I say it again anyway: almost the whole of the Bible is a coded document which requires exegesis and interpretation to understand. You say the Bible does not talk about race. That is sophistry. It does not talk about a lot of things if you require that it mention them directly by their modern, scientific names. Much of the prophecy is veiled and allegorical. It would be a mercy if people didn't read the Bible rather than take it literally at face value.
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Well, I have to say thank you to Din Rodef.
I am certainly not a liberal. I also am not (At least not completely) multi-cultural.
But here is the rub....
1. The The U.S.A. although founded by English colonies has long had a tradition of allowing peoples from all over the world to immigrate to this nation. Before the English colonies rebelled against England and became the USA, North America had Spanish, French and English colonists yes? But before THEM North America had an indigenous (Don't know if I spelled that right) population...the Native American tribes (Some of whom were less Asiatic in appearance such as the Cherokee who look pretty Caucasian) but regardless...
For those who think that the USA is a nation for White Anglo Saxon Protestants...I think you fail to remember those people who were here first...and the fact that there has always been immigration (I'm talking legal...not illegal here...immigration by peoples of different nationalities.)
The USA has never once been a country of just White people. It truly is a melting pot. There is no other nation like it. Most other European nations, or Asian nations or Middle Eastern nations...really have their foundations on ethnic groups that claimed particular tracts of land.
The USA is not like that.
Also, for me...as I've tried to explain before, the real issue is mankind's behavior. I believe what the Tanach has to say, and I believe that G-d cares less for someone's race than He does for their hearts and minds.
For those that say as Din Rodef did, that Israel is for the Jews...well in this he is right. But it doesn't have to do altogether with race. Sure, we have a bloodline...but we've had gentiles convert to Judaism throughout time and they've mixed in. And I guarentee if G-d got very angry with us because NO one was following Him...he could wipe us all out...and tomorrow raise up for Himself a new group of people to call his own. This very day, He could raise up Jews from the dust of the Earth.
He could do the same to any nation on Earth. He could wipe out all Negros, all White people etc. and tomorrow create a new nation of people with the same features but with new hearts and new minds.
For those who don't believe that races should mix...well and good. I don't have a big argument for you there. But I don't believe it's a sin.
The reason G-d told the Jews not to marry gentiles was because Gentiles often serve other gods...and it is a temptation for the Jew who marries a Gentile to leave HaShem and serve other gods. But if that Gentile serves HaShem? Look at Ruth and Boaz in the Bible.
I believe it is wrong to dislike someone because they are different physically. There is no question, there is no doubt, that I am right in this. The Torah never mentions race.
If people believe that blacks should go back to Africa, and that Jews should go back to Israel (Which I have to admit I think that Israel is our home) then every person of German descent should remove himself from the USA and go back to Germany. Every person of English descent, Irish Descent, Swedish, Norwegian, Danish, French and Spanish descent should remove themselves from the USA and back to Europe.
The USA would then be back in the hands of the Native Americans.
And if you want to split hairs, then Germans should not marry Englishmen. Englishmen should not marry Irish women. The French should not marry a Greek. No one should marry outside their very own ethnic and language group. Because not even all White people share the same ancestry.
Do you see how silly this is?
Not one hair of it is based on the Tanach or G-d's will for mankind.
Dawntreader....I could have read your mind and written your post for you
According to you...America is anarchy...in fact America doesn't really exist at all...it's just a place anybody can come to and do anything they want with it...You just described Hell...or the Utopia of a New World Order
I know that we have a disagreement that cannot be resolved.
If Americans were to adopt your point of view then we will cease to exist as a nation.
You're telling us that there is nothing special about us...we are not a unique people...we do not have a specific national origin...we do not have a unique history and perspective...we do not have our own language and identity....we have no right to claim anything as our own...Everybody can be Americans until America doesn't mean anything anymore....you're actually telling me that it's un-American to actually be an American.
That is exactly what the whole world is telling the Jews in Israel. What you just said to me...is exactly what the whole world is saying to Israel.
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I just thought of this as well.
While I would personally like to see a Christian USA...and when I say Christian, I mean a USA that actually follows what Jesus taught and was not some pagan monstrosity like Catholicism...
Christianity itself does not limit itself to white people. I think Jesus himself wanted Christianity to be spread to anyone who would listen to the gospel and accept it.
So to me, it doesn't matter if the Gentiles in the USA are red, white or blue...as long as they are Christian and are trying to follow the G-d of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob...I'm good.
But we all know that not even all White people are real Christians. There's plenty who are Christians but in name only. (Same as in any religion.)
Anybody can be a Christian
But anybody didn't make America.
America was founded specifically by White European Christian Gentiles and maintained (until recently) by their White European Christian Gentile posterity.
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I just thought of this as well.
While I would personally like to see a Christian USA...and when I say Christian, I mean a USA that actually follows what Jesus taught and was not some pagan monstrosity like Catholicism...
Christianity itself does not limit itself to white people. I think Jesus himself wanted Christianity to be spread to anyone who would listen to the gospel and accept it.
So to me, it doesn't matter if the Gentiles in the USA are red, white or blue...as long as they are Christian and are trying to follow the G-d of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob...I'm good.
But we all know that not even all White people are real Christians. There's plenty who are Christians but in name only. (Same as in any religion.)
Great, a Liberal Catholic basher who wants to give America to the Indians. Does it get any better? That should help the JTF cause.
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Dawntreader....I could have read your mind and written your post for you
According to you...America is anarchy...in fact America doesn't really exist at all...it's just a place anybody can come to and do anything they want with it...You just described Hell...or the Utopia of a New World Order
I know that we have a disagreement that cannot be resolved.
If Americans were to adopt your point of view then we will cease to exist as a nation.
You're telling us that there is nothing special about us...we are not a unique people...we do not have a specific national origin...we do not have a unique history and perspective...we do not have our own language and identity....we have no right to claim anything as our own...Everybody can be Americans until America doesn't mean anything anymore....you're actually telling me that it's un-American to actually be an American.
That is exactly what the whole world is telling the Jews in Israel. What you just said to me...is exactly what the whole world is saying to Israel.
Din Rodef,
I don't truly understand why what I mentioned would be the end of America. I am not for ANY kind of illegal immigration to the USA whatsoever. I think every single illegal should be deported.
But the U.S.A. has always had legal immigration. What is wrong with that? And if it is orderly, how is that Anarchy?
I do believe that there is something special about the U.S.A. and that it IS special because of the principles the founding Fathers used when writing the United States Constitution and Declaration of Independence.
The ideals of the U.S.A. are what makes this country unique and different from any others. The USA SHOULD maintain a Christian identity...that's what most of the founders were in fact. And I believe English should be the language of the USA. But it came very close to being German. In fact we all speak English because of one vote!
These things were all things that were at the beginning of this great nation, and I think those characteristics should not change.
I will agree to disagree with you on the matters of race. Because I think you are essentially a good guy. (And you don't accuse me of being a liberal...WHICH I AM NOT A LIBERAL WHATSOEVER!)
However, I do have one last thing to say and then I'll say no more on this thread about this issue.
If The USA were to adhere to your dream of being White and Christian...and all the negros and Jews (Even though Jews by and large are caucasian...even the black Jews) and all the Hispanics (who didn't come from Europe's Spain), and all the Asians were to leave...what would a White Christian America do with the Native Americans who were here first?
Let them stay? Deport them all to some remote island? How would you ensure a real...White Christian America?
I think it's a moot issue. I personally believe that the Moshiach will come before the world's problems are solved. He will be the one to settle every dispute and what He says will be the law for everyone.
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Dawntreader, before the 1965 Immigration Act, America always had a strict immigration policy. It was never really a melting pot. Here are some examples:
1875 For the first time, a federal immigration law excluded certain groups of immigrants: Prostitutes, persons previously sentenced to jail in their homeland, and “involuntarily traveling orientals,” by which was meant primarily Chinese contract workers, derogatorily called “Coolies.”
1885 Upon the urging of American labor unions, the import of contract laborers [with contracts in hand before immigration] was forbidden. Domestic servants, doctors and certain hard-to-get workers were exempted.
1891 Excluded from immigration were criminals, the mentally ill, epileptics and people who were not capable of earning their own living. For the first time, every immigrant had to pay a head tax of fifty cents. This fee was raised to $2.00 in 1903 and to $4.00 in 1907.
1896 A literacy test in the immigrant’s native language passed Congress but was vetoed by President Cleveland.
1903 Anarchists, pimps, and prostitutes were barred from immigration. American immigration officials were dispatched to European harbors to inspect ships and passengers before departure.
1907 Under American pressure, the Japanese government made a gentlemen’s agreement not to issue any more sailing permits for Japanese workers.
1913 The California legislature limited the right of Japanese immigrants to acquire land.
1913 A literacy test for immigration failed due to President Taft’s veto.
1915 A literacy test failed again due to President Wilson’s veto.
1917 A literacy test for immigrants over 16 years passed the Senate and the House with a 2/3 majority.
1918 Excluded from immigration were proponents of the violent overthrow of the American government.
1920 Citizens of countries with which the United States was at war could be deported.
1921 The first quota law was passed. It limited the annual number of immigrants to a total of 357,803, permitting about 200,000 from northwestern Europe (including Germany), and about 155,000 from eastern and southern Europe. For the whole of Asia and Africa, only 1,000 visas were available.
Then there was the 1924 National Origins Act, where the number of immigrants coming from a certain European country had to correspond the percentage of specific European Americans already in the U.S.
Here's what John Jay had to say in the Federalist Papers:
In 1787, in the second of The Federalist Papers, John Jay gave thanks that “Providence has been pleased to give this one connected country to one united people, a people descended from the same ancestors, speaking the same language, professing the same religion, attached to the same principles of government, very similar in their manners and customs . . . .” This is not a celebration of “diversity” or of the melting pot.
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Lisa,
The point is, the USA still allowed immigration that came from outside of Europe.
The main thing kept out of the immigration loop were the truly undesirable elements which makes sense...such as prostitutes, those who were mentally ill, those who could not work etc.
And as for John Jay and the Federalist Papers...one must remember that even at that time there were opponents to what was written there.
Also, John Jay's statements hardly make sense in the context in which you provide them. 200,000 immigrants from North Western Europe and 155,000 from Eastern Europe hardly fits John Jay's assertion that they were all descended from one common people.
The Germans and French don't come from the same peoples....the Germans and Britons don't even completely come from the same peoples...and the Eastern Europeans certainly do not share a common ancestry. Nor do any of these share a common language. They did not all profess the same religion as some were Catholics and some were Protestants...and we all know the troubles the two sects have had with one another. As to manners and customs...perhaps there are similarities but from France to Germany to England there are customs which are definitely not the same.
It was a melting pot even then...a melting pot of mainly European nations true...but a melting pot nonetheless.
And again...this says nothing of the Native American population that was already here.
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Before the 1965 Immigration Act, most of the immigration to America was from European countries. Now it's the opposite.
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Ok, now that is something I can agree with. I do agree that immigration now comes more from countries outside of Europe. But as I've said above...as long as it is LEGAL immigration, I don't see what the problem is.
On another note...if these people who are not White, are serving in the United States armed forces, and are dying for their country in wars the U.S. government sends them to, I would say they are every bit the American that their White neighbors are.
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Black children are demons from hell.
I take offense to this. Nobody is born a demon. They are a product of their culture. You should take pity on the black kids who are being brainwashed by their evil surroundings.
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Din Rodef,
I don't truly understand why what I mentioned would be the end of America.
That is exactly my point. I don't think you can truly understand the "End of America" precisely because you are Jewish. You cannot totally identify with a White Christian European America...therefore if it disappears...it won't effect you the same way it would effect me.
I honestly don't want you to identify with White America.....you should be Jewish first and foremost...that is a good thing... The problem only arises if you stay in America instead of Israel because your unique Jewish identity will conflict with our unique American Identity.
I am not for ANY kind of illegal immigration to the USA whatsoever. I think every single illegal should be deported.
awesome, me too
But the U.S.A. has always had legal immigration. What is wrong with that? And if it is orderly, how is that Anarchy?
Yes, it has always had immigration from White European Christian Nations. It was always orderly until our immigration policy changed and national origins were not considered.
Now the third worlders are pouring in...they have no respect for the rule of law because they have no history of understanding the Judeo-Christian concept of "law above man"...They just do whatever they can get away with.
I do believe that there is something special about the U.S.A. and that it IS special because of the principles the founding Fathers used when writing the United States Constitution and Declaration of Independence.
The ideals of the U.S.A. are what makes this country unique and different from any others. The USA SHOULD maintain a Christian identity...that's what most of the founders were in fact. And I believe English should be the language of the USA. But it came very close to being German. In fact we all speak English because of one vote!
These things were all things that were at the beginning of this great nation, and I think those characteristics should not change.
agreed 1000%
I will agree to disagree with you on the matters of race. Because I think you are essentially a good guy. (And you don't accuse me of being a liberal...WHICH I AM NOT A LIBERAL WHATSOEVER!)
However, I do have one last thing to say and then I'll say no more on this thread about this issue.
If The USA were to adhere to your dream of being White and Christian...and all the negros and Jews (Even though Jews by and large are caucasian...even the black Jews) and all the Hispanics (who didn't come from Europe's Spain), and all the Asians were to leave...what would a White Christian America do with the Native Americans who were here first?
Let them stay? Deport them all to some remote island? How would you ensure a real...White Christian America?
ahhh...now we can talk
This is where White Christian American Gentiles can learn from the Chaim's Kahanist message
Chaim says that most of the Arab Muslims will leave Israel if given the opportunity. He says that the Israeli Govt could pay them to leave. Chaim is correct...most of them will be happy to take payment and leave.
The Muslim Arabs that don't leave...will be forced to leave.
The same exact situation can happen in America.
We will pay them to leave...we will make them uncomfortable...We will make certain that they understand this is a WHITE CHRISTIAN NATION...We will be unapologetic....we will love our history...and we will celebrate our heros
They will mostly leave on their own. The ones that stay....will agree with us and "melt" into the population over time. The hostile ones will be forced out.
I think it's a moot issue. I personally believe that the Moshiach will come before the world's problems are solved. He will be the one to settle every dispute and what He says will be the law for everyone.
Excellent point about the Moshiach
But, I don't agree that this is a moot issue....on the contrary it is the very CORE issue of the survival of Israel and Christian Western Civilization.
Chaim says that it is a sin to depend on miracles and we must take matters into our own hands.
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Great, a Liberal Catholic basher who wants to give America to the Indians. Does it get any better? That should help the JTF cause.
hahaha CJD...I love how you think
But, in my opinion, this conversation with dawntreader is EXACTLY what JTF should be about. We shouldn't hesitate to be honest with each other. Where else could a conversation like this take place?
Dawntreader has earned my respect because for having the most politically incorrect conversation on planet earth without allowing it to devolve into ad hominem attacks. ;D ;D :)
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Din Rodef,
I agree that it is nice to have a discussion without it becoming a raging argument. and I do agree that honesty is best. Even when arguing a point nicely! ;)
I wanted to ask then...do you consider the Cherokee to be "White"? They ARE caucasian and not asian as some of the Western tribes are in the States.
Your thoughts?
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I wanted to ask then...do you consider the Cherokee to be "White"? They ARE caucasian and not asian as some of the Western tribes are in the States.
Your thoughts?
It is interesting that they were one of the tribes that assimilated best with the White European Colonists.
Weren't they considered one of the 5 "Civilized Tribes"
In fact, they assimilated so well that their economic dealings began to threaten some of the wealthy men of the day....and economic interest was one of the driving forces behind the so-called Trail of Tears
It's also interesting that they held black slaves
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Din Rodef,
I agree with you on that. But! You didn't answer the question on whether you believe the 5 civilized tribes were or are..."White".
LOL!
So my friend...your thoughts once more?
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Din Rodef the problem with Dawntreader extreme Liberalism. Its been my experience when people talk about others being racist and in a condescending manor to boot that is usually the case.
CJD
you are 1000% right about liberals
But, I really like Dawntreader...have read many of his excellent posts...and don't think he's a liberal.
Personally, I just think he's a slightly confused Jew because he's living in America.
I believe it's difficult for Jews that live in America to fully support a White Christian Gentile America because that would mean they don't really belong here. So many Jews attempt to "have it both ways"...they attempt to prove that they are good Jews by supporting Zionism and Israel...but then they attempt to justify their Jewish presence in America by supporting multi-culturalism and multi-racialism.
This confusion can easily be cured by making Aliyah. Chaim talks about this all of the time. He says that Jews aren't "whole" until they're living in the land of Israel.
Jewish liberals are misguided. They are big supporters of values that are against most major religions, including abortions and homosexual behavior.
They should be supporting those who promote values such as these such as religious Christians.
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I just thought of this as well.
While I would personally like to see a Christian USA...and when I say Christian, I mean a USA that actually follows what Jesus taught and was not some pagan monstrosity like Catholicism...
Christianity itself does not limit itself to white people. I think Jesus himself wanted Christianity to be spread to anyone who would listen to the gospel and accept it.
So to me, it doesn't matter if the Gentiles in the USA are red, white or blue...as long as they are Christian and are trying to follow the G-d of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob...I'm good.
But we all know that not even all White people are real Christians. There's plenty who are Christians but in name only. (Same as in any religion.)
Great, a Liberal Catholic basher who wants to give America to the Indians. Does it get any better? That should help the JTF cause.
Liberal Christians tend to embrace homosexual behavior, promiscuity, turning criminals into victims (like the ACLU likes to do), etc.
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In terms of non-European immigration being ok as long as it's legal, I disagree. Most Americans are so afraid of being accused of discrimination or of racism that they will sacrifice their country, or even themselves on the altar of political correctness.
We should NOT allow any immigration from Muslim countries whatsoever. Think of this. Did we allow unfettered German immigration to the U.S. during World War II. I don't think so. Furthermore, there's almost always something in the news about some Iranians or other Muslims in this country either running down people with their SUV's or selling arms to Al Qaeda or to Iran, or broadcasting Hezbo tv in New York. That needs to stop. And frankly, we would be doing these people a favor. If they hate America so much, then let them try and live without us, or our "EEEVIL" influence.
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In terms of non-European immigration being ok as long as it's legal, I disagree. Most Americans are so afraid of being accused of discrimination or of racism that they will sacrifice their country, or even themselves on the altar of political correctness.
We should NOT allow any immigration from Muslim countries whatsoever. Think of this. Did we allow unfettered German immigration to the U.S. during World War II. I don't think so. Furthermore, there's almost always something in the news about some Iranians or other Muslims in this country either running down people with their SUV's or selling arms to Al Qaeda or to Iran, or broadcasting Hezbo tv in New York. That needs to stop. And frankly, we would be doing these people a favor. If they hate America so much, then let them try and live without us, or our "EEEVIL" influence.
Excellent post Lisa, 100% on the money!! I could not agree more! Why don't more people see this.