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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: George on May 04, 2009, 10:32:32 PM
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I prefer America do it because I'm 100% sure Israel would make a half-assed attempt and would not completely eliminate the threat. At least America is more likely to complete the job.
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Fix the poll Israel is not an option
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Beggars aren't choosers, lets just hope that Iran or at least it's nuclear program, is eliminated.
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Beggars aren't choosers, lets just hope that Iran or at least it's nuclear program, is eliminated.
I agree with DownwithIslam's reply.
I don't care how or by who it is done; just that the nuclear threat is eliminated.
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There are two issues here. First, I agree that as DownwithIslam said "beggars can't be choosers", and for the survival of millions of Jews, it doesn't matter who does it. I want it done, end of story, and then millions will live. That is the most important thing, no question about it.
There is also a secondary issue worth considering. I am for a proud and independent Jewish state, that looks to G-d and trusts G-d and sanctifies G-d. The Jewish state I want would not look to America for protection and would not look to America for approval. Things will get better for Israel if Israeli leaders would approach governance in this way. Therefore, given a choice, I would prefer that Israel does it.
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There are two issues here. First, I agree that as DownwithIslam said "beggars can't be choosers", and for the survival of millions of Jews, it doesn't matter who does it. I want it done, end of story, and then millions will live. That is the most important thing, no question about it.
There is also a secondary issue worth considering. I am for a proud and independent Jewish state, that looks to G-d and trusts G-d and sanctifies G-d. The Jewish state I want would not look to America for protection and would not look to America for approval. Things will get better for Israel if Israeli leaders would approach governance in this way. Therefore, given a choice, I would prefer that Israel does it.
I also voted for Israel. I want to be proud and see the hand of Hashem in this. The IAF has been very good and has been training a long time for this mission. Just the other day news came out about a long range training mission including mid-air refueling.
Recent polls show that despite the Jews liberal leanings there is a desire for Irans nuclear threat to be eliminated. This threat is an existential one for the Jewish nation. I think that any part of bargaining must also demand that any so-called palestinkian state must recognize the Jewish nature of Israel. This is no minor detail, it is in my opinion the core issue. Israels only reason for existence is to satisfy Hashems will that the Jewish nation reside in the land which was promised to Abrahams children. A Israel without a Jewish nature is like a body without a soul.
Bomb Iran, Bomb Bomb Iran!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_iKuMVqht4U
May Hashem remove all the Jews beforehand or else they may suffer in the hands of the Islamic republic...
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I certainly prefer Israel, but the job is to be done.
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I vote Israel... 8)...i think they are the only ones with the guts to get er done!
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Israel
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It would mean so much more for Israel to do it!
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An Israel without a Jewish nature is like a body without a soul.
Yes, for Israel to maintain her character, culture and soul, she must remain majority Jewish.
Likewise, if America is to retain its heritage and greatness it must stay majority white. We must resist the liberals who are scheming to displace whites into endangered sub-specie status. These liberals are inviting the billions of Third-World "people of color" and Muslims here because they despise Western civilization and seek to destroy it.
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I would say it's strictly Israels job plus they have the brains to do it as well.
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I wish Iran would do it themselves by accident. I wish they would make a stupid mistake testing some of their military equipment and blow the whole place up. Better yet, have a nuclear accident that would leak radiation, just enough to make those close to it - hopefully government and military officials - wither away slowly. That way they could be humiliated for an extended period before dieing a slow miserable death.
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As long as Barack Hussein Obama is in the White House, its safe to assume that the U.S. WON'T eliminate Iran's nuclear facilities.
Basically, it comes down to whether Israel is going to do what's necessary to save millions of lives. Including MANY American lives. If Iran has nuclear weapons capabilities, guaranteed that Iran and/ or terrorist organizations they share nuclear weapons with will use them against the United States.
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I want Israel to do this and no one else's "hand" in this to take ANY credit whatsoever. This will prove to the whole world that ISRAEL is NOT to be messed with! My heart goes out to her, that's for sure. :fist:
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With all due respect to the military, our grandparents generation was the "best and the brightest", this generation of military is the "worst and the darkest". Israel MUST do it!
Just a little side story here: Just to tell you who enlists in the military: I work in a real shvug area, and there is an online coupon given out by Oprah no less, for free KFC food. There was a mad rush to get the coupon. I thought they were giving out welfare checks or something. One of the shvugs who works there said to someone "don't be gettin' in the way of black people and their chicken!", I couldn't have said it better myself. If I had, "I be racist!"
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Israel should take care of her own destiny.
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If America had the right President who loved our country and upheld our laws, who was sworn to protect and defend the United States, I would say America united with Israel should take out these Nukes.
However with Hussein in office we know that isn't going to be possible. Israel will stand strong, I am sure of it. They have been under this Nazi muslim hatred for years and are used to surviving. I know they will do the right thing in the face of the world being annihilated.
How very grave and sad that the world has come to this!
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Jim - Israel has enough weapons to turn all of iran into a crater 10000 times and then some . what are you talking about "half job" ?
Oh and btw , Israel is the only country in the world , who destroyed another countries , "top secrets" projacts .... like nuclear facilities ... not only the only one , but israel done it twice ... (syria and iraq)
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Waiting for a re-play of Operation Opera from Israel over Iran!
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Jim - Israel has enough weapons to turn all of iran into a crater 10000 times and then some . what are you talking about "half job" ?
Oh and btw , Israel is the only country in the world , who destroyed another countries , "top secrets" projacts .... like nuclear facilities ... not only the only one , but israel done it twice ... (syria and iraq)
I mean they won't decisively eliminate the threat. They are going to handle this the way they handled Hezbollah in 2006.
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lets be honest here .... israel only used in the "overall fighting" in lebanon , just about 10000 soldirs ,pilots , tanks etc ... and untill the last two days of the war , when israel entered more troops into lebanon - they used even less troops then 10000 soldirs ..... which is less then 10% of the idf overall power
and the outcome ?
The hizbolla was crushed in every battle , big or small , in matter of minutes ... the battles that lasted over few hours , like in bint jibil , was due to hizbolla hiding in ruins in small numbers , and idf soldirs hunting them down
the hizbolla forces was cut off from south lebanon , when israel destroyed all roads to the region of fighting
the remaining hizbolla troops who actually fougth the war , was somthing like a 1000 soldirs , of whom , about 700 got killed , many surrendered , and the rest was injured
almost anyone who fired rockets - was killed ... they just had many sucieders
100 of sumalian merceneries they brougth ...was killed
lebanon itself was devastated , and this was only an attack against specificly the shiites , israel chosed to dont attack the rest ..... so the shiites towns ,cities and big neigberhoods even in beirut was all leveled
lebanon had over half a million refugees who fled the country into cyprus , and over a tousand of dead civilians .
and the israeli air force , proved , he can carry out many sorties , the stuff people thougth only usa can do .... tousands of flights by war planes .... tousands of targets was destroyed in the first few hours of fighting (for anyone who say israel cant "handle" so many targets like the iranian nuclear facilities at once, he should re-check his sources)
so ... look , of course it depends on what exactly you want to do .... ulmert wanted to punish them , and he defintly got that one.
no one is saying that there were nothing else left to do ... it depends on who pulls the strings and what are his aims from such a operation ...
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YISRAEL!
America isn't going to do a thing with a socialist government!
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lets be honest here .... israel only used in the "overall fighting" in lebanon , just about 10000 soldirs ,pilots , tanks etc ... and untill the last two days of the war , when israel entered more troops into lebanon - they used even less troops then 10000 soldirs ..... which is less then 10% of the idf overall power
and the outcome ?
The hizbolla was crushed in every battle , big or small , in matter of minutes ... the battles that lasted over few hours , like in bint jibil , was due to hizbolla hiding in ruins in small numbers , and idf soldirs hunting them down
the hizbolla forces was cut off from south lebanon , when israel destroyed all roads to the region of fighting
the remaining hizbolla troops who actually fougth the war , was somthing like a 1000 soldirs , of whom , about 700 got killed , many surrendered , and the rest was injured
almost anyone who fired rockets - was killed ... they just had many sucieders
100 of sumalian merceneries they brougth ...was killed
lebanon itself was devastated , and this was only an attack against specificly the shiites , israel chosed to dont attack the rest ..... so the shiites towns ,cities and big neigberhoods even in beirut was all leveled
lebanon had over half a million refugees who fled the country into cyprus , and over a tousand of dead civilians .
and the israeli air force , proved , he can carry out many sorties , the stuff people thougth only usa can do .... tousands of flights by war planes .... tousands of targets was destroyed in the first few hours of fighting (for anyone who say israel cant "handle" so many targets like the iranian nuclear facilities at once, he should re-check his sources)
so ... look , of course it depends on what exactly you want to do .... ulmert wanted to punish them , and he defintly got that one.
no one is saying that there were nothing else left to do ... it depends on who pulls the strings and what are his aims from such a operation ...
I never said Israel isn't capable of eliminating the Iranian threat, they are. The Bolshevik establishment will not have the will power to decisively eliminate the Iranian nuclear bomb making factories. They may bomb some factories but not others or they might bomb all their factories but not other factories that manufacture components for their weapons. The Iranians can rebuilt those lost factories quickly and the threat will return again.
They intentionally lost the war with Lebanon. Hezbollah won whether you like it or not. I have no reason to believe that this treasonous government would act any differently with Iran.
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Who voted for America?
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first of all theres a huge diffrence between ulmert and bibi's mentalities .. i think that bibi - if he will choose to do this , will order the army to destroy the iranian ability to do this , not just put it on hold
"Hezbollah won whether you like it or not"
i like to know how exactly ..?
the fact - most people in israel thougth there were major errors done by ulmert (and its true) , have nothing to do with hizbolla , they got their asses kicked , with no ability to do anything about it ...