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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Sentinel For Truth on May 28, 2009, 08:23:27 AM
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Our civilization which more resembles a Tower of Babel where anything with anyone goes, cancer stricken people who are of mixed race have a near zero chance of finding a marrow donor. But to bring this up in today's society is "racist"! This rare truthful article discusses consequences of making interracial offspring.
"The truth is, when people of different backgrounds marry and produce offspring, it creates more types that are harder to match," said Michelle Setterholm, the program's director of scientific services. "The probability just gets lower when you have people of mixed ancestral DNA."
This is yet another reason for people in general, and Jews in particular, not to intermarry.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090527/ap_on_he_me/mixed_race_donors
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I think different types of Jews could mix together because they're of the same "nation". Whatever racial identity they had before converting to Judaism is set aside as they become part of the Jewish nation.
However I don't think Gentiles should mix ever. I think people should have enough respect for their ancestors not to mix. When people of different races mix, one or both races are destroyed.
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Would that be for mainly African and Asian or right across the board?
I'm Australian of Anglo/Germanic ancestry my wife is Australian of Serb/Hungarian ancestry but we have been told by numerous Doctors that our genes are 'very' strong..
Even our 2 boys have very strong genes?
I don't know but that article strikes me much as something from the Nazi era..
But then again i'd like to see someone tell that to 2 people who are dearly in love with each other..
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I think it means blacks and white or orientals with whites
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I normally think race mixing is fine, but this article gives me pause. I don't want to see the destruction of the races, but rather world unity, where there are like "racial bridges" formed (which doesn't mean everybody would all be the same, but there would be 40-50% mixed). I think it's up to individuals, though, and not something that should be encouraged or enforced.
From what I understand from anthropology, there are three main branches of humanity according to bone type (so it's not just skin deep): mongoloid, negroid and caucasoid. There may also be three basic hair types? Curly (caucasoid), straight/fine (asian), and "nappy" (black -- some black people use the term nappy in a positive away I've learned on the internet, it's not just derogatory b/c it can be shaped so well).
So according to this article, it suggests that blood types play a part too.
Does the Bible prohibition against mixing types of species together have to do with race? I assume not because race is not species, but the word species isn't used in the Bible. I don't have a clear memory of what I'm talking about though :) (Hmm I found a page on it while editing my post: http://www.religioustolerance.org/marracbib.htm )
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I suppose another factor that as to come into play would be immigration to other countries.
Mixed races are certainly going to be a determining factor as obviously when you love someone you don't look at the ethnicity..
MSD lol got a chuckle out of that nappy hair ;D ..
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Would that be for mainly African and Asian or right across the board?
I'm Australian of Anglo/Germanic ancestry my wife is Australian of Serb/Hungarian ancestry but we have been told by numerous Doctors that our genes are 'very' strong..
You're both white. You didn't really mix.
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MSD lol got a chuckle out of that nappy hair ;D ..
hehe , it's true though, I've seen it defended by black women. I think it's just a preference... I mean, you can't have an afro and other hair styles without it :)
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MSD the Aborigines here would LOOOVE you if you said that to them :::D ;D
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Are there aborigines here?!
I used to study them, weird, because I wanted to make a movie about them years ago.
I think they are related to lower caste Indians (from India). Similar hair, but they are their own people. Some of them have yellow eyes and golden hair in their youth. But I think their bone structure is caucasion. Sorry, I'm getting very analytical here. Don't mean to offend any australians.
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To me white Gentiles who mix with nonwhites are betraying their race because of the dangers faced by the white race today in the world. If whites weren't in danger it wouldn't do so much damage but these days we can't really afford to keep losing so many potential white babies to mixing.
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I think the main reason NOT to intermarry would be vast religious differences.
This can cause HUGE problems later on. BUT, if two people who have different family backgrounds have both adopted an American or Western culture, and both have similar religious attitudes, then its no big deal if they have different backgrounds.
As far as Blacks intermarriages... If my kids were to do consider this.... I would DEFINITELY have a little 'talk' with them.
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I think if there are small amounts of people who marry other races, it's not necessarily a bad thing. I think mainly it's wise to avoid blacks based on their culture. They have higher rates of AIDS, promiscuity, violence, terrible eating habits and infidelity. They also have a laughable history, little cultural emphasis on education and poor IQ levels.
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And BTW, I mean people of different races marrying;people need to convert to marry someone of a different religion, unless it's Islam and then they need a lobotomy.
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Don't you think thi s is more than offset by the diseases that result from recessive genes mixing among people who are too close genetically? We Jews have Tay Sachs as an issue.
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Don't you think thi s is more than offset by the diseases that result from recessive genes mixing among people who are too close genetically? We Jews have Tay Sachs as an issue.
My dad just told me he believes that the Jews are smarter than the average human because of the inter-breeding of the Jewish people. I actually agreed with him on this, but I also said that it has caused some diseases like SecularBeliever mentioned...
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Don't you think thi s is more than offset by the diseases that result from recessive genes mixing among people who are too close genetically? We Jews have Tay Sachs as an issue.
My dad just told me he believes that the Jews are smarter than the average human because of the inter-breeding of the Jewish people. I actually agreed with him on this, but I also said that it has caused some diseases like SecularBeliever mentioned...
Thats not really the cause. That just explains how European Jews maintained a small amount of genetic isolation.... which can often times be a HUGE disadvantage. (IE the extremely narrow genetic line of Native Americans)
The cause might have something to do with the fact that European Jews were forced to take jobs in banking since they were not allowed in the other guilds. Successful banking requires more intelligence/reasoning , as apposed to being an iron-smith, etc. Again... this is only a theory.
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You know, we need to put this into perspective. This article is NOT saying that mixed-race people are less healthy or genetically suspect, just that they have a different genetic profile.
The organ-donation issue may be real, but it does not logically follow that these people have weaker constitutions. In fact, the opposite is probably true because more genetic diversity is a deterrent to many diseases (particularly weird familial ones).
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You know, we need to put this into perspective. This article is NOT saying that mixed-race people are less healthy or genetically suspect, just that they have a different genetic profile.
The organ-donation issue may be real, but it does not logically follow that these people have weaker constitutions. In fact, the opposite is probably true because more genetic diversity is a deterrent to many diseases (particularly weird familial ones).
I think you are right. I see nothing wrong with interracial marriages.
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Are there aborigines here?!
I used to study them, weird, because I wanted to make a movie about them years ago.
I think they are related to lower caste Indians (from India). Similar hair, but they are their own people. Some of them have yellow eyes and golden hair in their youth. But I think their bone structure is caucasion. Sorry, I'm getting very analytical here. Don't mean to offend any australians.
msd meh don't apologise the Aborigines here are well protected. They can slander, abuse and say as much as they like. Heavans forbid if a big bad whitey does though.
muman613
My dad just told me he believes that the Jews are smarter than the average human because of the inter-breeding of the Jewish people.
muman you know what I tend to agree with your Father, but on several other things. A race of people that can survive, progress, enhance civilisation and pretty much bounce back from such adversity has to be given credit..
To go through so much crap and still advance is definitely a worthy surviving attribute.
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Aborigines have been in Australia for thousands of years. Some people think they're blacks, but they're not. They are a completely different race from African-derived blacks. That's an interesting theory about them being related to Indians. Do any Indians have brow ridges like that? Some people say the Aboriginals could have been in Australia for 30k years, and others say they've been there a much shorter time. If the former is true, then they could be an earlier type of human altogether, which would make sense when you consider Tasmanians never even discovered fire.
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Ruby when I lived in New Guinea for a while when I was younger the one noticeable thing I saw with the natives there was they have virtually the same features as the Australian Aborigines.
Facial structures, hair and body structures are all pretty much identical. That is with the full castes not the half castes.
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Muppet I think it's pretty obvious that they're the same basic racial type just from looking at their facial structure and low level of development.
I've got to give the Australian Abos credit for the didgeridoo though. I love that instrument.
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I've got to give the Australian Abos credit for the didgeridoo though. I love that instrument.
Unfortunately Ruby that would have to be the 'only' good thing about them :o it's a crying shame the rest of the World don't get to see what they do to each other, especially the way they abuse their own children and woman and how they take whitey for a big ride.
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Unfortunately Ruby that would have to be the 'only' good thing about them :o it's a crying shame the rest of the World don't get to see what they do to each other, especially the way they abuse their own children and woman and how they take whitey for a big ride.
Australia should be a white country because the Aboriginals have been there for tens of thousands of years and never did anything but make simple line art on rocks (which, I admit, is nice to look at). The Lascaux art in France which is detailed and colored in, is much more advanced than the cave art of Aboriginals which involves only simple lines. Even back that far in history there were obvious, pronounced differences between the races. The tools of ancient Europeans were also much more advanced than the tools used by Abos. Not only that but the standing stone monuments in the British Isles show a level of sophistication that definitely outpaced anything the Abos ever came up with.
White Australian's ancestors have my respect for taming portions of a wild, dangerous land even if they did originate as penal colonies they showed they were made of better stuff than the natives as far as development.
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I think religion has a strong effect on a persons genes.
Let's take a black man. They have been on the planet for the longest time (at least some of their bloodlines; there are at least hundreds sorts of different african 'races' from different ancestry).
Now when you make him a Christian, he will still be a good man. Christianity may diminish his genetic strength and 'weaken' his genes and predator instincts which he needs, but it doesn't delete it right away.
Now if we would make the same black man a MUSLIM, this would ERASE all the ancient knowledge which was safely stored in his genes.
All of the ancient knowledge held in his genes will simply be erased by the cancer that is islam, a fascist, demon worship that mind- and geneticrapes the entire being.
I think this article is very true.
Fred Alan Wolf tells something of a story like this.
The earth has it's own resonance frequency which all over the world is the same vibration, the shumann resonance. You could see this as the 'key' in which a piece of music is played. Apart from the 'key', there are also the bassline and melody; all different dimensions of the same piece of music.
So every piece of land has it's own resonance and apparently, 'magic' and 'shamanism' are dependant on this vibrational frequency.
All ancient native religions and forms of folk-shamanism, were exclusively built on these vibrations and therefor the only perfect 'religious' practice for a piece of land. So we have Shinto for Japan, Native American Shamanism for America, Viking religions for north west Europe and the ancient African forms of shamanism for the africans.
As Judaism predates both Christianity and islam Judaism should be for Israel.
But not only is the practice of, let's say Hinduism, best practiced in India (the term Hindu means: person from India), according to these rules, it is even malicious to practice it anywhere else than India since it invokes energies and spirits NOT accustomed with this other piece of land, which is not India.
Ethnic ancestry matters. I think a human is best described by genetics, mind-type and spirit.
If you put an ancient African black man on the north pole, will he survive? No.
If you put a skinny white guy in the jungle, will he survive? No.
Is this racist? Well G-d made different races, so if I'm a racist, it's only because G-d is one too.
Is this just plain, rational science? Yes. This is not fascist; it's pure logic.
I don't think one ethnic group should dominate the other. I think all ethnic groups should stay in their chosen land and only travel now and then for vacational purposes and all just work together on earth.
Unfortunately, islam's fascist nature will prevent worldpeace due to it's rabies-like strive for domination.
Arabs have other genes, therefore they have other spirits and another mind-type. I think they are scum of the earth since it was the arabs that first enslaved the honest black man.
They don't give a drek about beauty, peace, love and wisdom. They only care about power, might and islam.
Religion matters. White whores who let themselves be 'done' by muslims screw up their karma, spiritual energetics and these apes they poop out are worthless trash.
I think rapists should be killed. They deliberately screw up a girls karma by having sex with them. This is even worse than murder which would leave the karma of the victim unbothered/pure.
The western mind has been weakened by decadence, false humanistic ideologies that people are the same and have lost their predator instincts so they don't see the danger coming, and believe in a moderate islam.
When a being grows weak, nature will sent wake up calls. If this being simply refuses to wake up, nature will exterminate him.
Muslims are a different sort of breed. And they come here for fascist purposes.
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People just need to stick with their own people. Its simple. Screw this dumbbell govt. I am TIRED of them. For ie:
An Orthodox Jewish man falls in love with a gentile Christian woman.. If she chooses to just 'do her own thing' then I could see them getting in a fight, then she calls him "A dirty Jew" -It happens. NOBODY would want this crap around. OR A Christian man falls in love with a Jewish woman, and the Christian man doesn't want Jesus being questioned. He calls her 'a dirty Jew' OR take the vice/versa.. He will/she will say: YOU NAZI! and "All Christians are NAZIS!" See?? Sad. A black and white marry and they get in a fight and the white says: "YOU N*GGER!" Its painful. NOBODY wants this.
Now, come ON..if 2 people fall in love, and they are totally in love, there will have to be some compromise, and sacrifice. If there is none, everybody is MISERABLE, and they just lose their souls, its just too much. If there is SACRIFICE it MIGHT work.. but for how long?
Now, David Ben Moshe is a hard nut to crack. When we first knew each-other, he had NO belief, NONE. But HaShem performs so many miracles around our lives, its incredible..now he LOVES to talk about Torah, Tanackh, ETC.. Maybe it is the love I have for him, and our common belief in good against evil, I dont know.. All I know, is that where there is Love, there is God, and he is WITH us. We do excellently together, because I LOVE GOD, and I love David. We also have the common background in Jewry, and understand each-others humor.
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I think the main reason NOT to intermarry would be vast religious differences.
This can cause HUGE problems later on. BUT, if two people who have different family backgrounds have both adopted an American or Western culture, and both have similar religious attitudes, then its no big deal if they have different backgrounds.
As far as Blacks intermarriages... If my kids were to do consider this.... I would DEFINITELY have a little 'talk' with them.
I knew a guy who was dating a catholic girl in college. When he graduated he was having trouble finding a job. the girl started dropping hints that he should say a rosary. On the anniversary that thet started dating, she dumped him. All of a sudden he was bo longer her biyfriend, but a Jew. She immediately started seeing a guy who was planning to go into the preisthood (SSPX, I believe) and they married. The guy had a nervous breakdown from what the shikse did to him. learned his lesson. Shikses are no good.
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I think the main reason NOT to intermarry would be vast religious differences.
This can cause HUGE problems later on. BUT, if two people who have different family backgrounds have both adopted an American or Western culture, and both have similar religious attitudes, then its no big deal if they have different backgrounds.
As far as Blacks intermarriages... If my kids were to do consider this.... I would DEFINITELY have a little 'talk' with them.
I knew a guy who was dating a catholic girl in college. When he graduated he was having trouble finding a job. the girl started dropping hints that he should say a rosary. On the anniversary that thet started dating, she dumped him. All of a sudden he was bo longer her biyfriend, but a Jew. She immediately started seeing a guy who was planning to go into the preisthood (SSPX, I believe) and they married. The guy had a nervous breakdown from what the shikse did to him. learned his lesson. Shikses are no good.
"shikse did to him. learned his lesson. Shikses are no good."
NO, this is not right.
SHE was NO good.
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http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/41/Truganini_and_last_4_tasmanian_aborigines.jpg/616px-Truganini_and_last_4_tasmanian_aborigines.jpg
Check out this picture Muppet. You might've seen it before. The faces of some of them don't even look human. I think they were a hominid species that can learn, somewhat, to behave like modern humans but will always be fundamentally different.
The one on the right is the most striking, it's just like the face of an ape.
Compare to this photo:
(http://tbn1.google.com/images?q=tbn:yLuVPa-x1B0nKM:http://www.kshrader.com/sitebuilder/images/gorilla_face-369x464.jpg)
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http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/41/Truganini_and_last_4_tasmanian_aborigines.jpg/616px-Truganini_and_last_4_tasmanian_aborigines.jpg
Check out this picture Muppet. You might've seen it before. The faces of some of them don't even look human. I think they were a hominid species that can learn, somewhat, to behave like modern humans but will always be fundamentally different.
The one on the right is the most striking, it's just like the face of an ape.
Compare to this photo:
(http://tbn1.google.com/images?q=tbn:yLuVPa-x1B0nKM:http://www.kshrader.com/sitebuilder/images/gorilla_face-369x464.jpg)
The missing link is not missing at all its everywhere to be seen....... Just look at the news coming out of the residence at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue and you will see it there too. Everyone needs to watch that famous documentary that was made back in the late 1960's called '''The Planet Of The Apes"" it will show you right where our society is headed. :o :o
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I would never resort to namecalling like that......I have a hard time calling anyone anything except for JERK.... :'( :'( :'(
People just need to stick with their own people. Its simple. Screw this dumbbell govt. I am TIRED of them. For ie:
An Orthodox Jewish man falls in love with a gentile Christian woman.. If she chooses to just 'do her own thing' then I could see them getting in a fight, then she calls him "A dirty Jew" -It happens. NOBODY would want this crap around. OR A Christian man falls in love with a Jewish woman, and the Christian man doesn't want Jesus being questioned. He calls her 'a dirty Jew' OR take the vice/versa.. He will/she will say: YOU NAZI! and "All Christians are NAZIS!" See?? Sad. A black and white marry and they get in a fight and the white says: "YOU N*GGER!" Its painful. NOBODY wants this.
Now, come ON..if 2 people fall in love, and they are totally in love, there will have to be some compromise, and sacrifice. If there is none, everybody is MISERABLE, and they just lose their souls, its just too much. If there is SACRIFICE it MIGHT work.. but for how long?
Now, David Ben Moshe is a hard nut to crack. When we first knew each-other, he had NO belief, NONE. But HaShem performs so many miracles around our lives, its incredible..now he LOVES to talk about Torah, Tanackh, ETC.. Maybe it is the love I have for him, and our common belief in good against evil, I dont know.. All I know, is that where there is Love, there is G-d, and he is WITH us. We do excellently together, because I LOVE G-d, and I love David. We also have the common background in Jewry, and understand each-others humor.
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I really think you are all overanalyzing this.
1: It is wrong for civilized people of any race to date savages of any race.
2: It is wrong for believers of any race to date unbelievers of any race.
3: It is wrong for people of two different religions to date or marry under any circumstances.
It isn't more complicated than that, guys.
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I must come to the defense of the Ozzie Abos. Clearly they are genetically Homosapiens. They can breed with other humans and I don't know any serious claim on genetic basis that they are a separate specie. As much as they are different from other human sub species, the diversity in different groups of other animals like chimps is much greater than what you can find in modern humans.
Another thing, is they did discover the 'secrete' of fire, at least in the mainland. I believe they had actually been considered firomaniacs by the whites at some point. And they also invented the boomerang which is a rather nit albeit bizarre hunting weapon.
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i agree with the article.
I dont think any nationalist hindu should intermarry. We have been having arranged marriages for this very purpose through many generations.I remember my local Guru telling "A person who cannot recognise his ancestors is as good as a bastard!".
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I would never resort to namecalling like that......I have a hard time calling anyone anything except for JERK.... :'( :'( :'(
People just need to stick with their own people. Its simple. Screw this dumbbell govt. I am TIRED of them. For ie:
An Orthodox Jewish man falls in love with a gentile Christian woman.. If she chooses to just 'do her own thing' then I could see them getting in a fight, then she calls him "A dirty Jew" -It happens. NOBODY would want this crap around. OR A Christian man falls in love with a Jewish woman, and the Christian man doesn't want Jesus being questioned. He calls her 'a dirty Jew' OR take the vice/versa.. He will/she will say: YOU NAZI! and "All Christians are NAZIS!" See?? Sad. A black and white marry and they get in a fight and the white says: "YOU N*GGER!" Its painful. NOBODY wants this.
Now, come ON..if 2 people fall in love, and they are totally in love, there will have to be some compromise, and sacrifice. If there is none, everybody is MISERABLE, and they just lose their souls, its just too much. If there is SACRIFICE it MIGHT work.. but for how long?
Now, David Ben Moshe is a hard nut to crack. When we first knew each-other, he had NO belief, NONE. But HaShem performs so many miracles around our lives, its incredible..now he LOVES to talk about Torah, Tanackh, ETC.. Maybe it is the love I have for him, and our common belief in good against evil, I dont know.. All I know, is that where there is Love, there is G-d, and he is WITH us. We do excellently together, because I LOVE G-d, and I love David. We also have the common background in Jewry, and understand each-others humor.
Hanna, my Gosh, I am terribly stupid. I have been so insane busy that I have forgotten my friends. Im sorry. Yes, this is the world we live in now. Sad, but true. They DO call people horrible names if there is a mean fight, its just the truth.
On my Blog, I get called a "Dirty filthy Jew B*tch"
My retort:
DONT YOU FRIGGIN FORGET IT.
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I need to go over there and stick up for you, thats just wrong.....
I would never resort to namecalling like that......I have a hard time calling anyone anything except for JERK.... :'( :'( :'(
People just need to stick with their own people. Its simple. Screw this dumbbell govt. I am TIRED of them. For ie:
An Orthodox Jewish man falls in love with a gentile Christian woman.. If she chooses to just 'do her own thing' then I could see them getting in a fight, then she calls him "A dirty Jew" -It happens. NOBODY would want this crap around. OR A Christian man falls in love with a Jewish woman, and the Christian man doesn't want Jesus being questioned. He calls her 'a dirty Jew' OR take the vice/versa.. He will/she will say: YOU NAZI! and "All Christians are NAZIS!" See?? Sad. A black and white marry and they get in a fight and the white says: "YOU N*GGER!" Its painful. NOBODY wants this.
Now, come ON..if 2 people fall in love, and they are totally in love, there will have to be some compromise, and sacrifice. If there is none, everybody is MISERABLE, and they just lose their souls, its just too much. If there is SACRIFICE it MIGHT work.. but for how long?
Now, David Ben Moshe is a hard nut to crack. When we first knew each-other, he had NO belief, NONE. But HaShem performs so many miracles around our lives, its incredible..now he LOVES to talk about Torah, Tanackh, ETC.. Maybe it is the love I have for him, and our common belief in good against evil, I dont know.. All I know, is that where there is Love, there is G-d, and he is WITH us. We do excellently together, because I LOVE G-d, and I love David. We also have the common background in Jewry, and understand each-others humor.
Hanna, my Gosh, I am terribly stupid. I have been so insane busy that I have forgotten my friends. Im sorry. Yes, this is the world we live in now. Sad, but true. They DO call people horrible names if there is a mean fight, its just the truth.
On my Blog, I get called a "Dirty filthy Jew B*tch"
My retort:
DONT YOU FRIGGIN FORGET IT.
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Check out this picture Muppet. You might've seen it before. The faces of some of them don't even look human. I think they were a hominid species that can learn, somewhat, to behave like modern humans but will always be fundamentally different.
The one on the right is the most striking, it's just like the face of an ape.
Ruby Oh My :o ..
AsheDina wouldn't lump all Christians, my Uncle 'WAS' an Anglican, to marry this woman he had to convert to Roman Catholicism >:( ..
I have seen that happen all TOO many times with Roman Catholics.
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Pure breeds cost thousands of dollars, mutts are for free at the local dog pound, there's a legitimate reason for that.
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I need to go over there and stick up for you, thats just wrong.....
I would never resort to namecalling like that......I have a hard time calling anyone anything except for JERK.... :'( :'( :'(
People just need to stick with their own people. Its simple. Screw this dumbbell govt. I am TIRED of them. For ie:
An Orthodox Jewish man falls in love with a gentile Christian woman.. If she chooses to just 'do her own thing' then I could see them getting in a fight, then she calls him "A dirty Jew" -It happens. NOBODY would want this crap around. OR A Christian man falls in love with a Jewish woman, and the Christian man doesn't want Jesus being questioned. He calls her 'a dirty Jew' OR take the vice/versa.. He will/she will say: YOU NAZI! and "All Christians are NAZIS!" See?? Sad. A black and white marry and they get in a fight and the white says: "YOU N*GGER!" Its painful. NOBODY wants this.
Now, come ON..if 2 people fall in love, and they are totally in love, there will have to be some compromise, and sacrifice. If there is none, everybody is MISERABLE, and they just lose their souls, its just too much. If there is SACRIFICE it MIGHT work.. but for how long?
Now, David Ben Moshe is a hard nut to crack. When we first knew each-other, he had NO belief, NONE. But HaShem performs so many miracles around our lives, its incredible..now he LOVES to talk about Torah, Tanackh, ETC.. Maybe it is the love I have for him, and our common belief in good against evil, I dont know.. All I know, is that where there is Love, there is G-d, and he is WITH us. We do excellently together, because I LOVE G-d, and I love David. We also have the common background in Jewry, and understand each-others humor.
Hanna, my Gosh, I am terribly stupid. I have been so insane busy that I have forgotten my friends. Im sorry. Yes, this is the world we live in now. Sad, but true. They DO call people horrible names if there is a mean fight, its just the truth.
On my Blog, I get called a "Dirty filthy Jew B*tch"
My retort:
DONT YOU FRIGGIN FORGET IT.
I am dirty mean and nasty with these WRETCHED thugs. They deserve it TO THE MAX. At first I was feeling so depressed, BIGTIME. I am very un-Orthodoxed. In all ways. They attack Judaism, they attack Jews, they attack great Christian people, they attack ANYONE that supports Israel, anyone that is GOOD, and these 'faux-rightists' are exactly like the left. EVEN WORSE.
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Does the Bible prohibition against mixing types of species together have to do with race?
Defining when two different organisms constitute different species is not always simple. The scientific community uses the ability to mate as the most common criteria. The ability to mate is not a clearly defined line either. While organisms of different species do end up mating from time to time there are several different biological barriers. When all of the pre-zygotic barriers are crossed but post zygotic barriers still exist, you end up with less viable offspring. The fact is that while different races are still the same species, enough differences exist in the gene pool to create less viable offspring in some cases. Having people mate from too similar of a gene pool is the opposite extreme which has its own set of problems and that is why it is prohibited for siblings to mate. There are many genetic disorders they surface in small communities where people who are too closely related produce offspring. This makes it a tough task to determine how similar or different two people's genetics should be, in order for them to mate. In many cases, it is beneficial for two people of different ethic backgrounds to marry and have children.
Of course the spiritual viability outweighs the physical. Afterall, we are humans with Neshamas and not lab specimens. It is much worse for a Jew to intermarry within the same race than to marry a Jew of another Race.
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Pure breeds cost thousands of dollars, mutts are for free at the local dog pound, there's a legitimate reason for that.
What is the reason? It makes people feel 'special' to spend thousands of dollars on a dog. :P Just kidding. I disagree though...so I won't let my mutt read your post. It might hurt his feelings. 8;)
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I must come to the defense of the Ozzie Abos. Clearly they are genetically Homosapiens. They can breed with other humans and I don't know any serious claim on genetic basis that they are a separate specie. As much as they are different from other human sub species, the diversity in different groups of other animals like chimps is much greater than what you can find in modern humans.
Another thing, is they did discover the 'secrete' of fire, at least in the mainland. I believe they had actually been considered firomaniacs by the whites at some point. And they also invented the boomerang which is a rather nit albeit bizarre hunting weapon.
It was the Tasmanians that didn't have fire.
There's nothing saying that different species that are very closely related to each other couldn't mix and have viable kids. Such things happen in nature. Look at ligers and tigons. Both parents are in the group "Panthera" just like all hominids after Homo habilis would be Homo.
I think of the Australian/New Guinea/Tasmanian peoples as being more of an ancient type of human because they split off from the rest of the human line tens of thousands of years ago and when found were still following a very basic hunter-gatherer lifestyle.
They are human, in my opinion, just different type of human, separated by thousands of years of separate development from the rest of us.
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Does the Bible prohibition against mixing types of species together have to do with race?
Defining when two different organisms constitute different species is not always simple. The scientific community uses the ability to mate as the most common criteria. The ability to mate is not a clearly defined line either. While organisms of different species do end up mating from time to time there are several different biological barriers. When all of the pre-zygotic barriers are crossed but post zygotic barriers still exist, you end up with less viable offspring. The fact is that while different races are still the same species, enough differences exist in the gene pool to create less viable offspring in some cases. Having people mate from too similar of a gene pool is the opposite extreme which has its own set of problems and that is why it is prohibited for siblings to mate. There are many genetic disorders they surface in small communities where people who are too closely related produce offspring. This makes it a tough task to determine how similar or different two people's genetics should be, in order for them to mate. In many cases, it is beneficial for two people of different ethic backgrounds to marry and have children.
Of course the spiritual viability outweighs the physical. Afterall, we are humans with Neshamas and not lab specimens. It is much worse for a Jew to intermarry within the same race than to marry a Jew of another Race.
Thanks for the great answer!
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can a ethiopian jew marry a mizo jew, or is it frowned upon? I know there are 12 tribes of Israel, can they intermarry? if yes then i think it will be difficult to distinguish their future generations...
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Pure breeds cost thousands of dollars, mutts are for free at the local dog pound, there's a legitimate reason for that.
What is the reason? It makes people feel 'special' to spend thousands of dollars on a dog. :P Just kidding. I disagree though...so I won't let my mutt read your post. It might hurt his feelings. 8;)
Sigh, it was a cheeky metaphor for why people shouldn't be intermarrying, ::) The biggest proof that this is bad is sitting in the White House right now! :::D
But on the dog thing, the reason is, with a pure breed you know what you are getting, with the mutt you don't, the mutt puppy could take after any combination of traits from it's mixed heritage, you have no idea what size it's going to be or what temperment it is going to have, it could turn out just fine, or it could be a complete mess, a combination of traits you had not expected and can't handle, you think you got yourself a puppy that will be a calm mid sized dog, and instead it could end up becoming a huge shedding aggressive loud basket case of a dog, if it took the worst traits of the mix of dogs it was bred from. It's a big gamble with mutts.
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The one thing with 'pure bred' dogs is that to be pure bred the line has been inbred. This leads to inherent weaknesses in the bloodline..
If you want to see pure breds go to Tasmania, that's the whole reason we banished them to an Island 8) ..
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Pure breeds cost thousands of dollars, mutts are for free at the local dog pound, there's a legitimate reason for that.
What is the reason? It makes people feel 'special' to spend thousands of dollars on a dog. :P Just kidding. I disagree though...so I won't let my mutt read your post. It might hurt his feelings. 8;)
Sigh, it was a cheeky metaphor for why people shouldn't be intermarrying, ::) The biggest proof that this is bad is sitting in the White House right now! :::D
But on the dog thing, the reason is, with a pure breed you know what you are getting, with the mutt you don't, the mutt puppy could take after any combination of traits from it's mixed heritage, you have no idea what size it's going to be or what temperment it is going to have, it could turn out just fine, or it could be a complete mess, a combination of traits you had not expected and can't handle, you think you got yourself a puppy that will be a calm mid sized dog, and instead it could end up becoming a huge shedding aggressive loud basket case of a dog, if it took the worst traits of the mix of dogs it was bred from. It's a big gamble with mutts.
I know what you meant New Yorker. ::)
I was just teasing you. ;D
I have the best little 'mutt' ever. His Mom was a long haired doxie. He's keeping his Father's ethinicity to himself :-X.
He is the cleanest little dog. Learned tricks easily. Is good natured. Hearty. CJD can vouch for all of that.
Certain members of my family have always had purebred dogs. They carry them around in purses and tell you how much they cost at the drop of a hat. Some have been great dogs. Others needed to be shot putted out the door. I think it is hit or miss with dogs...just like people.
I got your cheeky metaphor and always appreciate your sense of humor. :::D
Although metaphor is a big word for me. I might not have used that. :D
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I must come to the defense of the Ozzie Abos. Clearly they are genetically Homosapiens. They can breed with other humans and I don't know any serious claim on genetic basis that they are a separate specie. As much as they are different from other human sub species, the diversity in different groups of other animals like chimps is much greater than what you can find in modern humans.
Another thing, is they did discover the 'secrete' of fire, at least in the mainland. I believe they had actually been considered firomaniacs by the whites at some point. And they also invented the boomerang which is a rather nit albeit bizarre hunting weapon.
It was the Tasmanians that didn't have fire.
There's nothing saying that different species that are very closely related to each other couldn't mix and have viable kids. Such things happen in nature. Look at ligers and tigons. Both parents are in the group "Panthera" just like all hominids after Homo habilis would be Homo.
I think of the Australian/New Guinea/Tasmanian peoples as being more of an ancient type of human because they split off from the rest of the human line tens of thousands of years ago and when found were still following a very basic hunter-gatherer lifestyle.
They are human, in my opinion, just different type of human, separated by thousands of years of separate development from the rest of us.
I meant to say that two separate groups of chimps have a far greater variance than any two groups of humans. So if you are going to declare Aborigines as a separate specie than modern humans, you'd have to change the rules of zoology.
Usually the result of cross breeding such as ligers and mules is sterile and unfit/unhealthy to survive naturally. On the other hand dogs can breed with wolves and produce viable offspring, but that is because they are not really separate species. Coming to thing of dogs, you there's such a great external variety among them, yet no one claims that a Pincher and a San Bernard don't belong to the same specie.
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can a ethiopian jew marry a mizo jew, or is it frowned upon? I know there are 12 tribes of Israel, can they intermarry? if yes then i think it will be difficult to distinguish their future generations...
There are no longer tribal distinctions. Besides even in the old days there was no prohibition on matrimonial unions between different tribes. The tribal identity is determined by the male line.
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It's kind of tricky when you start trying to define species when it comes to humans. A lot of people consider Neanderthals to have been a different species, but some say they could have bred with early Europeans. I think dogs and wolves are a good example, they're clearly the same "species" but they're still totally different animals. Also a rottweiler is not the same type of animal as a golden retreiver, in appearance or temperament, and yet they are the same species and can produce viable offspring if they're mixed. So yes Abos are the same species, but not "just like us".
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JTFers seem to think that blacks (and Arabs?) are closer to animals in nature. I've seen lots of comments here comparing blacks to monkeys and apes. There's even an emoticon animation 8) that seems to show a guy behind bars making a monkey face (or have I got that wrong?) Anyway, be careful what you wish for in saying this, because the more you make a human being into an animal, the less free will you're giving him. If you say a black person is like an ape, you're saying he has less choice in his actions, less ability be moral because he can't even choose to abstain from his animal-like nature. By comparing him to animal, you're saying he "couldn't help it." That's often a very liberal way of looking at things, making the criminal into a victim. I prefer to look at criminals as having the choice to do good or bad, not like apes which can't choose.
THAT SAID, some animal researchers say apes seem to have a semblance of a conscience, perhaps a primitive notion of right and wrong. They feel guilty and sad after doing bad things, sometimes...
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All people have animalistic urges but some groups of people tend to control them better than others, in general. There are some blacks and Arabs who are the moral equals of other people, and should be shown respect. However those individuals are few in number.
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JTFers seem to think that blacks (and Arabs?) are closer to animals in nature. I've seen lots of comments here comparing blacks to monkeys and apes. There's even an emoticon animation 8) that seems to show a guy behind bars making a monkey face (or have I got that wrong?) Anyway, be careful what you wish for in saying this, because the more you make a human being into an animal, the less free will you're giving him. If you say a black person is like an ape, you're saying he has less choice in his actions, less ability be moral because he can't even choose to abstain from his animal-like nature. By comparing him to animal, you're saying he "couldn't help it." That's often a very liberal way of looking at things, making the criminal into a victim. I prefer to look at criminals as having the choice to do good or bad, not like apes which can't choose.
THAT SAID, some animal researchers say apes seem to have a semblance of a conscience, perhaps a primitive notion of right and wrong. They feel guilty and sad after doing bad things, sometimes...
Which emoticon is that? I might have liked to use that one.
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JTFers seem to think that blacks (and Arabs?) are closer to animals in nature. I've seen lots of comments here comparing blacks to monkeys and apes. There's even an emoticon animation 8) that seems to show a guy behind bars making a monkey face (or have I got that wrong?) Anyway, be careful what you wish for in saying this, because the more you make a human being into an animal, the less free will you're giving him. If you say a black person is like an ape, you're saying he has less choice in his actions, less ability be moral because he can't even choose to abstain from his animal-like nature. By comparing him to animal, you're saying he "couldn't help it." That's often a very liberal way of looking at things, making the criminal into a victim. I prefer to look at criminals as having the choice to do good or bad, not like apes which can't choose.
THAT SAID, some animal researchers say apes seem to have a semblance of a conscience, perhaps a primitive notion of right and wrong. They feel guilty and sad after doing bad things, sometimes...
Which emoticon is that? I might have liked to use that one.
The one I used :)
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:)
This one?
He's behind bars?
See...you learn something new every day.
I just thought that was a smiley. Maybe wearing a yarmulke with blue and white socks. I'm not sure.
I don't think anyone behind bars looks like that sweet.
Did you mean this one? 8) He doesn't look evil either.
I'm not trying to be funny. I just don't understand which one.
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The second one!!!
I thought it was supposed to be a guy behind bars making a monkey face. It's not?
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The second one!!!
I thought it was supposed to be a guy behind bars making a monkey face. It's not?
I don't think so.
He's supposed to look 'cool' not criminal or stupid.
I guess it's up for interpetation.
Thanks for your reply any way.
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:) I think this one is jumping for joy
8) This one is dancing and whistling
Too bad we don't have this one our forum:
http://www.Shvartzamania.net/forum/images/smilies/chimpout.jpg
I think that would be more what you're looking for.
Change Shvartza to you know what and the image should show up.
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(http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk223/zelhar/Various/chimpout.jpg)
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Our civilization which more resembles a Tower of Babel where anything with anyone goes, cancer stricken people who are of mixed race have a near zero chance of finding a marrow donor. But to bring this up in today's society is "racist"! This rare truthful article discusses consequences of making interracial offspring.
"The truth is, when people of different backgrounds marry and produce offspring, it creates more types that are harder to match," said Michelle Setterholm, the program's director of scientific services. "The probability just gets lower when you have people of mixed ancestral DNA."
This is yet another reason for people in general, and Jews in particular, not to intermarry.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090527/ap_on_he_me/mixed_race_donors
There is hardly a sense of truth in this at all. Yes, people of the same religion should marry each other...but if one person of one race finds another race attractive and vice versa, then they should have the right to do it...no matter how distasteful some people find it to be. The mixing of diverse genes may in fact make a person less likely to acquire certain diseases that genetic.
For example, dogs of mixed breeds/races are less likely to have issues as a result of their genes than pure breeds.
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I really think you are all overanalyzing this.
1: It is wrong for civilized people of any race to date savages of any race.
2: It is wrong for believers of any race to date unbelievers of any race.
3: It is wrong for people of two different religions to date or marry under any circumstances.
It isn't more complicated than that, guys.
perfectly said
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Thanks Zelhar :) 8)
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can a ethiopian jew marry a mizo jew, or is it frowned upon? I know there are 12 tribes of Israel, can they intermarry? if yes then i think it will be difficult to distinguish their future generations...
The short answer is yes, however, there are other complexities involved with people from different cultures intermarrying. Haluchically speaking, it is up to the rabbe to determine on a case by case basis if the marriage is legitimate. Occasionally Tzadiks such as the rebbe have told people not to marry. In many cases it turned out that these people were siblings. The rebbe was known to say a lot of things that did not make sense at the time, but he always ended up being correct.
When we had the twelve tribes, they were a lot closer together and normally the woman would become a member of the tribe that she married into. These days we no longer have the 12 tribes.
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can a ethiopian jew marry a mizo jew, or is it frowned upon? I know there are 12 tribes of Israel, can they intermarry? if yes then i think it will be difficult to distinguish their future generations...
The short answer is yes, however, there are other complexities involved with people from different cultures intermarrying. Haluchically speaking, it is up to the rabbe to determine on a case by case basis if the marriage is legitimate. Occasionally Tzadiks such as the rebbe have told people not to marry. In many cases it turned out that these people were siblings. The rebbe was known to say a lot of things that did not make sense at the time, but he always ended up being correct.
When we had the twelve tribes, they were a lot closer together and normally the woman would become a member of the tribe that she married into. These days we no longer have the 12 tribes.
thank you for clearing my doubt. I wish all the jewish liberal youths should go back and check their ancient spiritual wealth and heritage and adopt that way of living.
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http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/41/Truganini_and_last_4_tasmanian_aborigines.jpg/616px-Truganini_and_last_4_tasmanian_aborigines.jpg
Check out this picture Muppet. You might've seen it before. The faces of some of them don't even look human. I think they were a hominid species that can learn, somewhat, to behave like modern humans but will always be fundamentally different.
The one on the right is the most striking, it's just like the face of an ape.
Compare to this photo:
(http://tbn1.google.com/images?q=tbn:yLuVPa-x1B0nKM:http://www.kshrader.com/sitebuilder/images/gorilla_face-369x464.jpg)
The missing link is not missing at all its everywhere to be seen....... Just look at the news coming out of the residence at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue and you will see it there too. Everyone needs to watch that famous documentary that was made back in the late 1960's called '''The Planet Of The Apes"" it will show you right where our society is headed. :o :o
I literally laughed out loud at that one. :laugh: :::D
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i agree with the article.
I dont think any nationalist hindu should intermarry. We have been having arranged marriages for this very purpose through many generations.I remember my local Guru telling "A person who cannot recognise his ancestors is as good as a bastard!".
I love that saying. That was great.
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Guys, people are people. A conservative black like Pastor Manning or Dr. Sowell is part of Western civilization. Whites like Feminem and Rahm Emanuelle are not. What matters is whether the person in question is righteous, law-abiding, and has family values, not the color of their skin.
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Guys, people are people. A conservative black like Pastor Manning or Dr. Sowell is part of Western civilization. Whites like Feminem and Rahm Emanuelle are not. What matters is whether the person in question is righteous, law-abiding, and has family values, not the color of their skin.
I still think it is ok to call obama, farakhan and their arab muslim conspirators a bunch of apes with rabies.
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http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/41/Truganini_and_last_4_tasmanian_aborigines.jpg/616px-Truganini_and_last_4_tasmanian_aborigines.jpg
Check out this picture Muppet. You might've seen it before. The faces of some of them don't even look human. I think they were a hominid species that can learn, somewhat, to behave like modern humans but will always be fundamentally different.
The one on the right is the most striking, it's just like the face of an ape.
Compare to this photo:
(http://tbn1.google.com/images?q=tbn:yLuVPa-x1B0nKM:http://www.kshrader.com/sitebuilder/images/gorilla_face-369x464.jpg)
/facepalm x100000
Sorry, but that's just stupid.
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They're not a completely separate species but they were reproductively isolated from the rest of humanity for approximately 30,000 years, and yes this did leave lasting differences between them and other races.
Consider that major agriculture in the Middle East started less than 12,000 years ago and you can see the comparison. For all those years with all the innovations in the Middle East, Europe, Asia, North Africa, etc. The Aboriginals were still doing pretty much nothing except rock painting and hunting and gathering.
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Guys, people are people. A conservative black like Pastor Manning or Dr. Sowell is part of Western civilization. Whites like Feminem and Rahm Emanuelle are not. What matters is whether the person in question is righteous, law-abiding, and has family values, not the color of their skin.
Indeed.
Still, having had family members held at gun point, raped and murdered by 'people of color' I err on the side of reality. Then I work from there.
If I know I will not be held at gunpoint, raped or murdered by a person, then I can ignore the color of their skin.
By the way, my relative that was murdered was only 19 years old. She thought it was ok to befriend people of all races.
You can see where that got her.
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http://www.mosnews.com/society/2009/06/02/mixedmarriageban/
This is good for Jews and Christians:
Russian Muslims issue fatwa forbidding marriages with Christians and Jews
Dagestani legal scholars (alims) have issued a legal pronouncement (fatwa), strongly advising Muslim men against marrying Christian or Jewish women, reports Islam.ru website, citing the canonical department of Russia's Central Spiritual Governance for Muslims.
The religious ruling was adopted after a young Dagestani man residing in Moscow had inquired if he could marry a Russian girl he met there. Basing their decision on Shariat, spokespersons from the Dagestan’s Spiritual Governance canonical department ruled that the present day Christian and Jewish women differ greatly from “the people of the Book” and cannot be considered acceptable marriage partners, as approved by the Koran.
“If a girl goes to church, it does not necessarily mean that she is a true woman of the Book, because these religions have undergone severe distortions, “ the Dagestani fatwa says.
Following the adopted pronouncement, alims have reasoned that Muslims should be very cautious about marrying Christian and Jewish women, the Russian website Regions.ru reports.
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Still, having had family members held at gun point, raped and murdered by 'people of color' I err on the side of reality. Then I work from there.
If I know I will not be held at gunpoint, raped or murdered by a person, then I can ignore the color of their skin.
By the way, my relative that was murdered was only 19 years old. She thought it was ok to befriend people of all races.
You can see where that got her.
Being wary because you know how most black people are is one thing. Making threads about how intermarriage is genetically wrong for x, y, or z reason is something else. These kinds of statements are an embarrassment to JTF and make us look like a bunch of eugenicists. Chaim has made very clear what JTF's position on race is many times over and why we still don't get it is not something I can answer.
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http://www.mosnews.com/society/2009/06/02/mixedmarriageban/
This is good for Jews and Christians:
Russian Muslims issue fatwa forbidding marriages with Christians and Jews
Dagestani legal scholars (alims) have issued a legal pronouncement (fatwa), strongly advising Muslim men against marrying Christian or Jewish women, reports Islam.ru website, citing the canonical department of Russia's Central Spiritual Governance for Muslims.
The religious ruling was adopted after a young Dagestani man residing in Moscow had inquired if he could marry a Russian girl he met there. Basing their decision on Shariat, spokespersons from the Dagestan’s Spiritual Governance canonical department ruled that the present day Christian and Jewish women differ greatly from “the people of the Book” and cannot be considered acceptable marriage partners, as approved by the Koran.
“If a girl goes to church, it does not necessarily mean that she is a true woman of the Book, because these religions have undergone severe distortions, “ the Dagestani fatwa says.
Following the adopted pronouncement, alims have reasoned that Muslims should be very cautious about marrying Christian and Jewish women, the Russian website Regions.ru reports.
This is a new development in Islam. Historically it has been permissible (maybe not advised, but permitted) for Muslim men to marry Jewish/Christian women. Mohammed himself (ys"vz) had a Jewish and a Christian wife. Yasser Arafat (ys) also married a "Christian", Suha.
The reason why usually it has been considered okay for Muslims to marry Jewish and Christian women is:
a--they are "people of the book" and are "part" of the Islamic tradition and heritage according to the filthy Koran
b--since Muslim men rule their wives like concentration-camp inmates as it is, their beliefs don't really matter
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Still, having had family members held at gun point, raped and murdered by 'people of color' I err on the side of reality. Then I work from there.
If I know I will not be held at gunpoint, raped or murdered by a person, then I can ignore the color of their skin.
By the way, my relative that was murdered was only 19 years old. She thought it was ok to befriend people of all races.
You can see where that got her.
Being wary because you know how most black people are is one thing. Making threads about how intermarriage is genetically wrong for x, y, or z reason is something else. These kinds of statements are an embarrassment to JTF and make us look like a bunch of eugenicists. Chaim has made very clear what JTF's position on race is many times over and why we still don't get it is not something I can answer.
I don't agree with intermarriage between races and especially between whites and other races. It's a survival issue. I want distinct races and I want the white race to survive. I think it's ok to say that even if it doesn't line up 100% with Chaim's position.
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Still, having had family members held at gun point, raped and murdered by 'people of color' I err on the side of reality. Then I work from there.
If I know I will not be held at gunpoint, raped or murdered by a person, then I can ignore the color of their skin.
By the way, my relative that was murdered was only 19 years old. She thought it was ok to befriend people of all races.
You can see where that got her.
Being wary because you know how most black people are is one thing. Making threads about how intermarriage is genetically wrong for x, y, or z reason is something else. These kinds of statements are an embarrassment to JTF and make us look like a bunch of eugenicists. Chaim has made very clear what JTF's position on race is many times over and why we still don't get it is not something I can answer.
I don't agree with intermarriage between races and especially between whites and other races. It's a survival issue. I want distinct races and I want the white race to survive. I think it's ok to say that even if it doesn't line up 100% with Chaim's position.
I don't get why you care about the "survival of the white race." Why do you want distinct races?
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I want the white race to survive because it's my people. I also think God meant for there to be different races.
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I want the white race to survive because it's my people. I also think G-d meant for there to be different races.
Why do you believe that G-d meant for there to be different races?
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I want the white race to survive because it's my people. I also think G-d meant for there to be different races.
Why do you believe that G-d meant for there to be different races?
I think God was the one who caused the different races in the first place. I'm not sure exactly why but I think it's God's will for there to be different nations and different races on the earth. If everyone blends together into one big one, then the world will be a lot less diverse overall.
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I want the white race to survive because it's my people. I also think G-d meant for there to be different races.
Nobody has a problem with your personal opinions. What I think harms JTF's credibility is when several members make "scientific arguments" about why different bloodlines should not mix, why all human beings are not the same inherently, etc. Don't you see that this plays exactly into the hands of our enemies who are grasping at anything and everything they can use against us?
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Check out this picture Muppet. You might've seen it before. The faces of some of them don't even look human. I think they were a hominid species that can learn, somewhat, to behave like modern humans but will always be fundamentally different.
The one on the right is the most striking, it's just like the face of an ape.
Ruby Oh My :o ..
AsheDina wouldn't lump all Christians, my Uncle 'WAS' an Anglican, to marry this woman he had to convert to Roman Catholicism >:( ..
I have seen that happen all TOO many times with Roman Catholics.
That's what happeend to the guy I went to school with who was dating a catholic. When he wouldn't convert, say a rosary, she dumped him and used religion as the reason. WE don't demand they convert. He learned his lesson, albeit a harsh one.
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I want the white race to survive because it's my people. I also think G-d meant for there to be different races.
Nobody has a problem with your personal opinions. What I think harms JTF's credibility is when several members make "scientific arguments" about why different bloodlines should not mix, why all human beings are not the same inherently, etc. Don't you see that this plays exactly into the hands of our enemies who are grasping at anything and everything they can use against us?
I think it's obvious that there is a big difference of outcomes among racial groups. Africans never invented the wheel before other races showed them. Why were they incapable of inventing even that? There must have been something fundamentally different about their makeup and not just a different culture.
I don't think that every race is the same as one another or equally good at all things.
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I want the white race to survive because it's my people. I also think G-d meant for there to be different races.
Nobody has a problem with your personal opinions. What I think harms JTF's credibility is when several members make "scientific arguments" about why different bloodlines should not mix, why all human beings are not the same inherently, etc. Don't you see that this plays exactly into the hands of our enemies who are grasping at anything and everything they can use against us?
I think it's obvious that there is a big difference of outcomes among racial groups. Africans never invented the wheel before other races showed them. Why were they incapable of inventing even that? There must have been something fundamentally different about their makeup and not just a different culture.
I don't think that every race is the same as one another or equally good at all things.
I agree Ruby.
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I want the white race to survive because it's my people. I also think G-d meant for there to be different races.
Why do you believe that G-d meant for there to be different races?
I think G-d was the one who caused the different races in the first place. I'm not sure exactly why but I think it's G-d's will for there to be different nations and different races on the earth. If everyone blends together into one big one, then the world will be a lot less diverse overall.
HOw do you know Gd didn't intend for all of the races to be apart only to eventually blend into one?
As far as racial diversity..i think that no matter what happens, there will still be diverse races. Culture and religion runs deeper than skin color. If a nation/culture/religion holds strong to its own allow some limited acceptance of new comers and lets a limited amount of people out, diversity can still exist.
But race is not culture..nor is it really a religion and hardly a nationality. Whites of Poland look different that whites of Russia woh look different than the ones in France and Scandenavia. And probably the same goes with Blacks in different parts of Africa...
My point is that it is incorrect to make race a nationality, culture, or religion. A righteous person is a righteous person...and a righteous culture is a righteous culture..and a righteous religion is a righteous religion. People of the same religion and culture..if attracted to each other and get along together should not worry about race if they are similar in all other ways that are much much more important. It's incorrect to think this way.
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Guys, people are people. A conservative black like Pastor Manning or Dr. Sowell is part of Western civilization. Whites like Feminem and Rahm Emanuelle are not. What matters is whether the person in question is righteous, law-abiding, and has family values, not the color of their skin.
Indeed.
Still, having had family members held at gun point, raped and murdered by 'people of color' I err on the side of reality. Then I work from there.
If I know I will not be held at gunpoint, raped or murdered by a person, then I can ignore the color of their skin.
By the way, my relative that was murdered was only 19 years old. She thought it was ok to befriend people of all races.
You can see where that got her.
Again it's a matter of putting two righteous people together...Righteous doesn't mean white and evil doesn't mean black or vice versa...You don't choose your friends on race..you choose them on cultural similarities..and their decent behavior.
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Thanks Bullcat.
Dr. Dan if the white race were gone off the face of the earth tomorrow and I was the only one left, I would have nothing left to live for. That's how strongly I feel about it.
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Check out this picture Muppet. You might've seen it before. The faces of some of them don't even look human. I think they were a hominid species that can learn, somewhat, to behave like modern humans but will always be fundamentally different.
The one on the right is the most striking, it's just like the face of an ape.
Ruby Oh My :o ..
AsheDina wouldn't lump all Christians, my Uncle 'WAS' an Anglican, to marry this woman he had to convert to Roman Catholicism >:( ..
I have seen that happen all TOO many times with Roman Catholics.
That's what happeend to the guy I went to school with who was dating a catholic. When he wouldn't convert, say a rosary, she dumped him and used religion as the reason. WE don't demand they convert. He learned his lesson, albeit a harsh one.
Maybe it was important to the paticular women, you reference above, that their potential mate be of the same faith.
I think it is a misconception that Catholic laity are out to convert everyone to their religion.
I have never had a Roman Catholic knock on my door, and try to convert me to their religion.
I have not been taught that it is my mission to do so. I have never heard it encouraged in church or school(eight years of parochial education).
I do think it is important for two people, of different faiths, to come to an agreement on how they will practice their faith prior to marriage.
I can't speak for other Christian faiths.
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Guys, people are people. A conservative black like Pastor Manning or Dr. Sowell is part of Western civilization. Whites like Feminem and Rahm Emanuelle are not. What matters is whether the person in question is righteous, law-abiding, and has family values, not the color of their skin.
Indeed.
Still, having had family members held at gun point, raped and murdered by 'people of color' I err on the side of reality. Then I work from there.
If I know I will not be held at gunpoint, raped or murdered by a person, then I can ignore the color of their skin.
By the way, my relative that was murdered was only 19 years old. She thought it was ok to befriend people of all races.
You can see where that got her.
Again it's a matter of putting two righteous people together...Righteous doesn't mean white and evil doesn't mean black or vice versa...You don't choose your friends on race..you choose them on cultural similarities..and their decent behavior.
Dr. Dan says: Meet my friend DaShaQuan. This one is totally different. It won't chimp out like the other one, promise. This one is a NICE one. This one will never have the inner chimp come out. No way. It won't suddenly start displaying TNB. This one behaves like a human so you can trust it. It has cultural similarities and decent behavior.
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well some people here are talking about Racial differences, and how white race ought to be considered at the highest level of human hierarchy. No offence, but these individuals seem to be taking Jesus message literally, when he said he has come to not unite but to divide the people. The theory used to persecute innocents Jews.
They are also arguing that blacks look like apes, hmm. For a moment i would agree that yes genetically apes could be closer to blacks with respect to evolutionary development. So that means these stone age ancestors were the first to bring stone tools,fire invention into civilization. So how can whites be credited with superior intelligence.
I dont give a rat about intelligence levels of various races. I believe in how these races have conducted themself age after age inspite of suffering persecution everywhere and yet survived, Because of their Faith in G-d and Hardwork which can be seen among the Jews and Hindus respectively. Although in present age i would say that the Chinese are the most hard working people on this planet. Even though i belong to Hindu-Arya race, i have no problems accepting that Chinese are better.
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I never said the white race ought to be considered at the highest level. I just want the white race to survive. I think all the races should survive.
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I never said the white race ought to be considered at the highest level. I just want the white race to survive. I think all the races should survive.
first of all you support spreading of the gospel to every race. So I dont think a Latin Xtian would hesitate in marrying a white Xtian or a Black Xtian. And why would they? I dont see any problem in that. Ok now accepting that White Xtians should only propagate white raceness. Well we all know what happened when this was done in Germany in the past.
I am all for Equality and Fairness among Xtians in West who do not believe in race bais. Similar to how a Westerner would condemn the Indian Caste system.
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I never said the white race ought to be considered at the highest level. I just want the white race to survive. I think all the races should survive.
first of all you support spreading of the gospel to every race. So I dont think a Latin Xtian would hesitate in marrying a white Xtian or a Black Xtian. And why would they? I dont see any problem in that. Ok now accepting that White Xtians should only propagate white raceness. Well we all know what happened when this was done in Germany in the past.
I am all for Equality and Fairness among Xtians in West who do not believe in race bais. Similar to how a Westerner would condemn the Indian Caste system.
I think races should be separate, not subject to one another.
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If you keep the gospel only to one race, then it will survive.(Eg, Judaism,Hinduism,Buddhism) But there is a danger in keeping the gospel limited to White race, as history tells us.
I support the organisation BNP, because they talk about rights of the whites, not the rights of white xtians.
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well some people here are talking about Racial differences, and how white race ought to be considered at the highest level of human hierarchy. No offence, but these individuals seem to be taking Jesus message literally, when he said he has come to not unite but to divide the people. The theory used to persecute innocents Jews.[/b]
They are also arguing that blacks look like apes, hmm. For a moment i would agree that yes genetically apes could be closer to blacks with respect to evolutionary development. So that means these stone age ancestors were the first to bring stone tools,fire invention into civilization. So how can whites be credited with superior intelligence.
I dont give a rat about intelligence levels of various races. I believe in how these races have conducted themself age after age inspite of suffering persecution everywhere and yet survived, Because of their Faith in G-d and Hardwork which can be seen among the Jews and Hindus respectively. Although in present age i would say that the Chinese are the most hard working people on this planet. Even though i belong to Hindu-Arya race, i have no problems accepting that Chinese are better.
What? :o
Please explain. What is the purpose of that statement, besides Christian bashing(as usual).
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If you keep the gospel only to one race, then it will survive.(Eg, Judaism,Hinduism,Buddhism) But there is a danger in keeping the gospel limited to White race, as history tells us.
I support the organisation BNP, because they talk about rights of the whites, not the rights of white xtians.
Who here only spoke to the rights of white Christians?
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I have been reading about hasidic thought recently. We people become Spiritual and Closer to G-d, when we shed bodily differences. Race is a bodily difference.
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If you keep the gospel only to one race, then it will survive.(Eg, Judaism,Hinduism,Buddhism) But there is a danger in keeping the gospel limited to White race, as history tells us.
I support the organisation BNP, because they talk about rights of the whites, not the rights of white xtians.
Who here only spoke to the rights of white Christians?
Rubystars want all of India to come under Christianty. But she would not like an Indian Xtian to marry a White Xtian. Which is ridiculous.
It is the continuation of debates we been having ever since :laugh:
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Guys, people are people. A conservative black like Pastor Manning or Dr. Sowell is part of Western civilization. Whites like Feminem and Rahm Emanuelle are not. What matters is whether the person in question is righteous, law-abiding, and has family values, not the color of their skin.
Indeed.
Still, having had family members held at gun point, raped and murdered by 'people of color' I err on the side of reality. Then I work from there.
If I know I will not be held at gunpoint, raped or murdered by a person, then I can ignore the color of their skin.
By the way, my relative that was murdered was only 19 years old. She thought it was ok to befriend people of all races.
You can see where that got her.
Again it's a matter of putting two righteous people together...Righteous doesn't mean white and evil doesn't mean black or vice versa...You don't choose your friends on race..you choose them on cultural similarities..and their decent behavior.
Dr. Dan says: Meet my friend DaShaQuan. This one is totally different. It won't chimp out like the other one, promise. This one is a NICE one. This one will never have the inner chimp come out. No way. It won't suddenly start displaying TNB. This one behaves like a human so you can trust it. It has cultural similarities and decent behavior.
Not quite...I can say, meet my friend Chin-weng Lee (mongoloid race)...She is super smart, a really decent woman, an Orthodox rabbi converted her to Judaism and she practices it fully. I'm sorry, I think it's silly to separate from this person just because she is a different race from a caucasion...
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If you keep the gospel only to one race, then it will survive.(Eg, Judaism,Hinduism,Buddhism) But there is a danger in keeping the gospel limited to White race, as history tells us.
I support the organisation BNP, because they talk about rights of the whites, not the rights of white xtians.
Who here only spoke to the rights of white Christians?
Rubystars want all of India to come under Christianty. But she would not like an Indian Xtian to marry a White Xtian. Which is ridiculous.
It is the continuation of debates we been having ever since :laugh:
It's ok if you think my thoughts are ridiculous. I think people who marry should have both race and religion in common. The only exception to that would be that if Jewish people are of different races I think it's ok because the Jewish people form their own national identity and are not really defined by their race as much as they are defined by their Jewishness. It would still make me feel uncomfortable to see a black/white pairing though.
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Not quite...I can say, meet my friend Chin-weng Lee (mongoloid race)...She is super smart, a really decent woman, an Orthodox rabbi converted her to Judaism and she practices it fully. I'm sorry, I think it's silly to separate from this person just because she is a different race from a caucasion...
Chinese people are completely different from blacks, just as different as white people are from blacks. I still don't think they should have kids with white people, but I do think that it's much safer to be friends with one than it is with a black person. The best thing of course is for each group to spend most of the time around their own people.
For someone who has suffered from black violence I don't think it's right to encourage them to make friends with blacks again.
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Not quite...I can say, meet my friend Chin-weng Lee (mongoloid race)...She is super smart, a really decent woman, an Orthodox rabbi converted her to Judaism and she practices it fully. I'm sorry, I think it's silly to separate from this person just because she is a different race from a caucasion...
Chinese people are completely different from blacks, just as different as white people are from blacks. I still don't think they should have kids with white people, but I do think that it's much safer to be friends with one than it is with a black person. The best thing of course is for each group to spend most of the time around their own people.
For someone who has suffered from black violence I don't think it's right to encourage them to make friends with blacks again.
Blacks in general have an inferior culture..but not a result of genetics...Nevertheless...what do you say about a chinese person adopted into a white family and raised around whites? He/she should marry another old country chinese person?!
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If you keep the gospel only to one race, then it will survive.(Eg, Judaism,Hinduism,Buddhism) But there is a danger in keeping the gospel limited to White race, as history tells us.
I support the organisation BNP, because they talk about rights of the whites, not the rights of white xtians.
Who here only spoke to the rights of white Christians?
Rubystars want all of India to come under Christianty. But she would not like an Indian Xtian to marry a White Xtian. Which is ridiculous.
It is the continuation of debates we been having ever since :laugh:
It's ok if you think my thoughts are ridiculous. I think people who marry should have both race and religion in common. The only exception to that would be that if Jewish people are of different races I think it's ok because the Jewish people form their own national identity and are not really defined by their race as much as they are defined by their Jewishness. It would still make me feel uncomfortable to see a black/white pairing though.
Many European Evangelists here in India marry Indians, for they see everyone as followers of the same gospel, and hence there can be union.
Rubystars, the simple solution to what you want, is.. Banning of Evangelists from non-white nations.
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I think it's obvious that there is a big difference of outcomes among racial groups. Africans never invented the wheel before other races showed them. Why were they incapable of inventing even that? There must have been something fundamentally different about their makeup and not just a different culture.
I don't think that every race is the same as one another or equally good at all things.
It's all about culture. Albanians are white, but they are every bit as primitive as schvartzes. Tamils are South Asian (and India has produced some of the greatest mathematic and technological advances in the world), but their culture is about as backward and savage as it gets.
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well some people here are talking about Racial differences, and how white race ought to be considered at the highest level of human hierarchy. No offence, but these individuals seem to be taking Jesus message literally, when he said he has come to not unite but to divide the people. The theory used to persecute innocents Jews.
I don't want to get into an interreligious fight but Jesus was not talking about racial differences here, or persecuting his own people (Jews).
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Can you not all see how ridiculous and absurd this has gotten? Is this the Jewish Task Force, or the Preservation of the Aryan Race Task Force?
Rubystars--as much as I didn't like HZ's comment about Christianity, he has a really good point. You want all of India to be open to Christianity, but you don't want Western Christians to mingle with Indian Christians, even though Indo-Aryan people are actually just dark-skinned Caucasians. You want missionaries to have freedom of speech in India (and I agree with that, I do believe each person should have the free will to choose his or her own religion), but then you would prefer that those missionaries (most of whom are presumably white) associate only with whites as much as possible?
I do not think that the doctrine of racial separateness is compatible with anything that Jesus said or taught, or any aspect of the Christian religion or any teaching found in either Testament. Show me some moral principles that every race must remain separate at all costs. I respect what your own personal views are but you can't seriously make a global moral argument for them that is binding on all mankind, at least not without making us at JTF look like fools and nutters.
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well some people here are talking about Racial differences, and how white race ought to be considered at the highest level of human hierarchy. No offence, but these individuals seem to be taking Jesus message literally, when he said he has come to not unite but to divide the people. The theory used to persecute innocents Jews.
I don't want to get into an interreligious fight but Jesus was not talking about racial differences here, or persecuting his own people (Jews).
maybe i framed the sentence wrongly.
Jesus must have wanted races to remain seperate, with divisions. But power/cash richness of RC organisations and Baptist organisations want everyone to come under their umbrella. I would say that if white race reduces to what it is today,then these organistions,and those feeding them will only be solely responsible.Can you not all see how ridiculous and absurd this has gotten? Is this the Jewish Task Force, or the Preservation of the Aryan Race Task Force?
I agree, it is not going well.
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I think there needs to be a certain level of separation (especially reproductive) between races, but that doesn't mean that I'm against all communication. If I felt that way I wouldn't be here. Weren't you the one accusing me of making straw men a while back SA?
HZ, I think that Christianity is good for most nations but that doesn't mean I think people of different races should lose their culture or mix reproductively with one another. I don't know why you asssume I have to believe in race mixing to believe in sharing Christianity with other nations.
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I think there needs to be a certain level of separation (especially reproductive) between races, but that doesn't mean that I'm against all communication. If I felt that way I wouldn't be here. Weren't you the one accusing me of making straw men a while back SA?
Rubystars...since we are in the USA, you are entitled to your opinion and preferences...I hope nobody here jumps down your throat for your opinions...
However, the opinion of preserving any type of race and the survival of the white race as you call it, is not a proper righteous opinion.
THe only reason why races appear the way they do is because of the separation of groups of human species from far regions of the earth. The negroid races have special genes that have allowed them to survive in their physical environment while certain white races and mongoloid races have done the same.
Much like different breeds of dogs have better survivability traits for their jobs and environments, humans have had the same thing. However, pure breeds just as pure races have their issues of genetic problems and shorter life spans. Mutts..mixed breeds live longer have fewer genetic problems...the same might be assumed with a person who is biracial.
Now, am i suggesting that whites should have kids with blacks or asians etc etc? No...I"m not promising anything to that degree. Secondly, humans are something special...we have souls, we have cultures, we have religion. Therefore, it only makes sense for people of similar cultures and religions to get together than cultures and religions which are very different. And i don't believe in societies that have neither.
I have no problem of someone white preferring someone else who is white because they find that trait more attractive...as long as they aren't marrying someone just for their race or looks alone.
However, I have an issue with the concept of "white culture"...there is no white culture...Europeans who are white have a different culture from whites who are from north america an whites from other parts of the world...
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However, the opinion of preserving any type of race and the survival of the white race as you call it, is not a proper righteous opinion.
I'm here on this board to help Jewish survival. I'm not Jewish but I do care and I want to help. Yet you think I don't have the right to want my OWN people to survive. I'm sorry Dr. Dan, but that is ridiculous. Of course I want my own people to live just as much as any Jewish person on this board wants their own people to live.
THe only reason why races appear the way they do is because of the separation of groups of human species from far regions of the earth. The negroid races have special genes that have allowed them to survive in their physical environment while certain white races and mongoloid races have done the same.
That's correct.
Much like different breeds of dogs have better survivability traits for their jobs and environments, humans have had the same thing. However, pure breeds just as pure races have their issues of genetic problems and shorter life spans. Mutts..mixed breeds live longer have fewer genetic problems...the same might be assumed with a person who is biracial.
Now, am i suggesting that whites should have kids with blacks or asians etc etc? No...I"m not promising anything to that degree. Secondly, humans are something special...we have souls, we have cultures, we have religion. Therefore, it only makes sense for people of similar cultures and religions to get together than cultures and religions which are very different. And i don't believe in societies that have neither.
Similar cultures, religions, and races have more in common and can impart a common heritage to their children.
I have no problem of someone white preferring someone else who is white because they find that trait more attractive...as long as they aren't marrying someone just for their race or looks alone.
However, I have an issue with the concept of "white culture"...there is no white culture...Europeans who are white have a different culture from whites who are from north america an whites from other parts of the world...
There is an American white culture but I'll tell you something Dr. Dan I also think that all white nationalities have more in common with each other than even the different European nations would want to admit among each other. White Australians, White Americans, and white Europeans have more in common with one another than any of them do with negroes living in dung huts.
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There is an American white culture but I'll tell you something Dr. Dan I also think that all white nationalities have more in common with each other than even the different European nations would want to admit among each other. White Australians, White Americans, and white Europeans have more in common with one another than any of them do with negroes living in dung huts.
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I agree only on the point that Canadians will have something more in common with North AMerican whites, with British, and with Australian since, for the most part, they all came from one area in Europe...
However, French whites differ from German whites who differ from Polish whites who differ from Italian whites, who differ from Russian whites..etc...
And yes, they have much much less in common with blacks..i agree with that 1000 percent. A tiny teeny minority of blacks hold similar cultural values of whites...and therefore, it is extremely uncommon for their to be a similar culture between blacks in whites...
Again, maybe it's the wording you use of the "preservation of the white race" that rubs me the wrong way. While most whites have more in common culturally than with blacks, i can understand the concept of preserving so called "white" culture. But race is only skin deep. If there were an Asian or black person (although very rare) who carried the same exact concepts of white culture, unless it were a matter of physical attraction, I feel that there is nothing wrong with two different races getting together...race is not a behavioral thing...nor should it be.Culture is a behavioral thing..some wish to use their race as a way of acting...and the vast majority of blacks do that..and that's wrong.
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I don't believe that race is your skin color or your appearance. I think it goes deeper than that. Appearance is only part of it. The difference between a golden retreiver and a rottweiler is not the difference between gold fur and black and tan fur. There are a lot of other differences too, in personality, etc. although a rottweiler that is raised in a good environment can be more friendly, and the rare golden retreiver can be vicious, the two breeds as a whole are never going to be equivalent in all ways.
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I don't believe that race is your skin color or your appearance. I think it goes deeper than that. Appearance is only part of it. The difference between a golden retreiver and a rottweiler is not the difference between gold fur and black and tan fur. There are a lot of other differences too, in personality, etc. although a rottweiler that is raised in a good environment can be more friendly
Rubystars, this is frankly getting ridiculous. Human races did not artificially select themselves for traits that they themselves wanted to amplify. Nor have most races (Arabs may be an exception) made it a point to legitimize inbreeding, which is almost always necessary to produce the consistent differences seen in dog breeds. 99% of racial differences come down to the ideal level of melanin being produced for local sun exposure. No race decided to make itself "mean" or "friendly".
and the rare golden retreiver can be vicious, the two breeds as a whole are never going to be equivalent in all ways.
Actually I know of three absolutely savage golden retriever maulings that happened here in SoCal around 10-15 years ago , and once when I was a kid I was threatened by two extremely surly goldens near a farm.
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Similar cultures, religions, and races have more in common and can impart a common heritage to their children.
Are you telling me that Alan Keyes and Dr. Thomas Sowell have not imparted the Western Christian heritage to their children?
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I don't believe that race is your skin color or your appearance. I think it goes deeper than that. Appearance is only part of it. The difference between a golden retreiver and a rottweiler is not the difference between gold fur and black and tan fur. There are a lot of other differences too, in personality, etc. although a rottweiler that is raised in a good environment can be more friendly
Rubystars, this is frankly getting ridiculous. Human races did not artificially select themselves for traits that they themselves wanted to amplify.
I never said they did.
Nor have most races (Arabs may be an exception) made it a point to legitimize inbreeding, which is almost always necessary to produce the consistent differences seen in dog breeds. 99% of racial differences come down to the ideal level of melanin being produced for local sun exposure. No race decided to make itself "mean" or "friendly".
There were large enough populations of most races that inbreeding wasn't really necessary to maintain racial integrity. There was reproductive isolation on separate areas of the world so that different races formed.
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Actually I know of three absolutely savage golden retriever maulings that happened here in SoCal around 10-15 years ago , and once when I was a kid I was threatened by two extremely surly goldens near a farm.
Yeah but as a whole they're not as vicious of a breed as rottweilers.
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One final note--the term "intermarriage" as used in Scripture exclusively applies to the mixing of religions and cultures, not races. If I am not mistaken, Moses' wife was an Ethiopian Cushite. G-d calls it an abomination when the Chosen people choose to fornicate with evil, monstrous savages. Racially speaking, the ancient Israelites were no physically different at all from the Canaanite, Amalekite, Jebusite, Midianite, etc. proto-Muslim Nazis that surrounded them. They were all Middle Easterners, i.e. were technically Caucasian but had darker skin than modern European whites. Everybody today who uses the term "intermarriage" in the racial sense is distorting the meaning of the term.
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There were large enough populations of most races that inbreeding wasn't really necessary to maintain racial integrity. There was reproductive isolation on separate areas of the world so that different races formed.
This happened as a matter of circumstance. It was not intentional or deliberate. How can you call reproductively separate races G-d's will when the races separated as a result of geographic circumstances and the result of sin (i.e. the Tower of Babel incident)?
Yeah but as a whole they're not as vicious of a breed as rottweilers.
Training and nurture has more to do with it than you think. Not many people set out to produce a "killer" GC. Lots of "macho" young men get rotts or pitts and set out to make them into the nastiesst, most bada** dogs possible, often abusing them in the process.
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I stand with Rubystars on this issue. I would rather be with someone of a similar background or not be with anyone at all. What would I have in common with a black, asian, or hispanic. With a pure blood line that goes back for at least 400 traceable years why would I spoil it now. Unlike our Jewish members my concern is more on race and less on religion.
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Similar cultures, religions, and races have more in common and can impart a common heritage to their children.
Are you telling me that Alan Keyes and Dr. Thomas Sowell have not imparted the Western Christian heritage to their children?
There are different aspects involved in forming an individual's identity. There is their country to which they are a citizen, perhaps the region of that country which they identify with also. There is their religion, which they share with their co-religionists. There is their genetic or racial heritage, which they share in common with others of their race. A lot of times these things can be interwined and go together. For example a white Christian American conservative is going to be very different from say a black Muslim Libyan radical. There are multiple pieces to people's identities that make up the whole.
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I stand with Rubystars on this issue. I would rather be with someone of a similar background or not be with anyone at all. What would I have in common with a black, asian, or hispanic. With a pure blood line that goes back for at least 400 traceable years why would I spoil it now. Unlike our Jewish members my concern is more on race and less on religion.
Yes exactly CJD. No matter what race or background someone is, they should seek to not spit on their ancestors in such an irreversible manner.
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Well said, Dr Dan...... :dance: :clap: :jump:
I agree with you....
I want the white race to survive because it's my people. I also think G-d meant for there to be different races.
Why do you believe that G-d meant for there to be different races?
I think G-d was the one who caused the different races in the first place. I'm not sure exactly why but I think it's G-d's will for there to be different nations and different races on the earth. If everyone blends together into one big one, then the world will be a lot less diverse overall.
HOw do you know Gd didn't intend for all of the races to be apart only to eventually blend into one?
As far as racial diversity..i think that no matter what happens, there will still be diverse races. Culture and religion runs deeper than skin color. If a nation/culture/religion holds strong to its own allow some limited acceptance of new comers and lets a limited amount of people out, diversity can still exist.
But race is not culture..nor is it really a religion and hardly a nationality. Whites of Poland look different that whites of Russia woh look different than the ones in France and Scandenavia. And probably the same goes with Blacks in different parts of Africa...
My point is that it is incorrect to make race a nationality, culture, or religion. A righteous person is a righteous person...and a righteous culture is a righteous culture..and a righteous religion is a righteous religion. People of the same religion and culture..if attracted to each other and get along together should not worry about race if they are similar in all other ways that are much much more important. It's incorrect to think this way.
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No matter what race or background someone is, they should seek to not spit on their ancestors in such an irreversible manner.
You are aware that very, very, very, very few people are purely one race, aren't you?
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No matter what race or background someone is, they should seek to not spit on their ancestors in such an irreversible manner.
You are aware that very, very, very, very few people are purely one race, aren't you?
I don't necessarily agree with that. I've heard that spouted off before. I suppose it depends on how far back you really want to go. It's hard to tell past several generations but considering there are still distinct races I think there is still considerable purity for a lot of people.
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I stand with Rubystars on this issue. I would rather be with someone of a similar background or not be with anyone at all. What would I have in common with a black, asian, or hispanic. With a pure blood line that goes back for at least 400 traceable years why would I spoil it now. Unlike our Jewish members my concern is more on race and less on religion.
So you would choose an evil person of the same race and religion as you than someone of a different race who is righteous and the same religion as you?
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I stand with Rubystars on this issue. I would rather be with someone of a similar background or not be with anyone at all. What would I have in common with a black, asian, or hispanic. With a pure blood line that goes back for at least 400 traceable years why would I spoil it now. Unlike our Jewish members my concern is more on race and less on religion.
So you would choose an evil person of the same race and religion as you than someone of a different race who is righteous and the same religion as you?
Why would someone choose an evil person at all? I think there are good people of all races. Are their any left in the white race? It sounds like you think there aren't. It is just a personal preference who we choose to spend our life with. There should be no shame in wanting a partner of the same race...or the same anything for that matter. Except same sex. ::) That is another whole can of worms.
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I stand with Rubystars on this issue. I would rather be with someone of a similar background or not be with anyone at all. What would I have in common with a black, asian, or hispanic. With a pure blood line that goes back for at least 400 traceable years why would I spoil it now. Unlike our Jewish members my concern is more on race and less on religion.
So you would choose an evil person of the same race and religion as you than someone of a different race who is righteous and the same religion as you?
Why would someone choose an evil person at all? I think there are good people of all races. Are their any left in the white race? It sounds like you think there aren't. It is just a personal preference who we choose to spend our life with. There should be no shame in wanting a partner of the same race...or the same anything for that matter. Except same sex. ::) That is another whole can of worms.
The only point I'm trying to make is that choosing some of the same race just because they are the same race without any other consideration is wrong.
I feel the only thing that is important about race is physical attraction. One should not be forced to be with someone who they find physically unattractive..and one should not choose someone solely on their looks either.
I have no problem if a white person says that he/she finds whites attractive and blacks unattractive..and vice versa..that is everyone's legitimate right.
I just need to make these specific points clear.
My issue is whether attracted or not attracted, even if it is the same religion and culture...even if the person is very righteous, some people here would choose solely on race as if race were an actual culture or religion...
Now there can be an argument for this as well...Some people prefer to marry someone who is tall so that they can have tall children...just like someone white would want to marry someone white so they have white light skinned attractive kids...I say there is still nothing wrong with that since one is choosing their spouse also on physical attraction.
The concept of "preserving a race" is silly to me...Race does not set people apart from righteous and evil..it's just genetics...and we have to be careful of how we use this concept...it can be used for unspeakable evil just as seen in the Shoah...
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I appreciate your reply, Dr. Dan.
I know intermarriage among the races is not for me personally.
I feel it is important to preserve heritage, tradition and values.
I don't think the concept of preserving race is silly.
Is it bad to be proud of being 'white'?
It is what some people are, isn't it.
I should think that some black people feel the same way.
They might like to preserve the 'black' race and culture.
I think political correctness run amok, makes us afraid to say this though.
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Check out this picture Muppet. You might've seen it before. The faces of some of them don't even look human. I think they were a hominid species that can learn, somewhat, to behave like modern humans but will always be fundamentally different.
The one on the right is the most striking, it's just like the face of an ape.
Ruby Oh My :o ..
AsheDina wouldn't lump all Christians, my Uncle 'WAS' an Anglican, to marry this woman he had to convert to Roman Catholicism >:( ..
I have seen that happen all TOO many times with Roman Catholics.
That's what happeend to the guy I went to school with who was dating a catholic. When he wouldn't convert, say a rosary, she dumped him and used religion as the reason. WE don't demand they convert. He learned his lesson, albeit a harsh one.
Maybe it was important to the paticular women, you reference above, that their potential mate be of the same faith.
I think it is a misconception that Catholic laity are out to convert everyone to their religion.
I have never had a Roman Catholic knock on my door, and try to convert me to their religion.
I have not been taught that it is my mission to do so. I have never heard it encouraged in church or school(eight years of parochial education).
I do think it is important for two people, of different faiths, to come to an agreement on how they will practice their faith prior to marriage.
I can't speak for other Christian faiths.
I had to laugh that after a year, the shikse FINALLY figured out she was dating a Jew. It took her that long to figure it out. As we said in the frat, she had a goyische kopf. We couldn't feel too bad for the guy. He should have known she was going to play the "I must stay with my own kind" card.
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I appreciate your reply, Dr. Dan.
I know intermarriage among the races is not for me personally.
I feel it is important to preserve heritage, tradition and values.
I don't think the concept of preserving race is silly.
Is it bad to be proud of being 'white'?
It is what some people are, isn't it.
I should think that some black people feel the same way.
They might like to preserve the 'black' race and culture.
I think political correctness run amok, makes us afraid to say this though.
I'm not trying to be politically correct here.
For someone to be proud to be a specific race seems shallow to me. I think it's shallow for a black person to say he's proud to be black skinned and a white person to say the same about his skin...or a chinese person about his eyes.
Race is not a nationality..not anymore. Blacks have tried to create a culture from the color of their skin and that's why they are so backward. When and if whites do the same, they will just as far backward as blacks have fallen because they would be lifting themselves up just because they are genetically made a certain way. Rather than that, people ought to lift themselves for the culture and upbringing they are...with the religion they are...with the nationality they are...that goes with blacks and whites and anyone else.
WHat is this black pride/white pride? IT's a ridiculous concept!
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I appreciate your reply, Dr. Dan.
I know intermarriage among the races is not for me personally.
I feel it is important to preserve heritage, tradition and values.
I don't think the concept of preserving race is silly.
Is it bad to be proud of being 'white'?
It is what some people are, isn't it.
I should think that some black people feel the same way.
They might like to preserve the 'black' race and culture.
I think political correctness run amok, makes us afraid to say this though.
I'm not trying to be politically correct here.
For someone to be proud to be a specific race seems shallow to me. I think it's shallow for a black person to say he's proud to be black skinned and a white person to say the same about his skin...or a chinese person about his eyes.
Race is not a nationality..not anymore. Blacks have tried to create a culture from the color of their skin and that's why they are so backward. When and if whites do the same, they will just as far backward as blacks have fallen because they would be lifting themselves up just because they are genetically made a certain way. Rather than that, people ought to lift themselves for the culture and upbringing they are...with the religion they are...with the nationality they are...that goes with blacks and whites and anyone else.
WHat is this black pride/white pride? IT's a ridiculous concept!
I don't like terms such as black pride and white pride.
That sounds militant.
I'm just talking about taking pride in who, and what, you are.
Blacks have tried to create a culture from the color of their skin and that's why they are so backward.
I don't understand what you are saying here. I think black people should start standing up for themselves. Demand that they really be treated fair, square and indifferent. Then you will see an advancement in their culture.
I think if white people start to rest on their laurels and demand things soley based on skin color...they are surely doomed as a race of people.
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Check out this picture Muppet. You might've seen it before. The faces of some of them don't even look human. I think they were a hominid species that can learn, somewhat, to behave like modern humans but will always be fundamentally different.
The one on the right is the most striking, it's just like the face of an ape.
Ruby Oh My :o ..
AsheDina wouldn't lump all Christians, my Uncle 'WAS' an Anglican, to marry this woman he had to convert to Roman Catholicism >:( ..
I have seen that happen all TOO many times with Roman Catholics.
That's what happeend to the guy I went to school with who was dating a catholic. When he wouldn't convert, say a rosary, she dumped him and used religion as the reason. WE don't demand they convert. He learned his lesson, albeit a harsh one.
Maybe it was important to the paticular women, you reference above, that their potential mate be of the same faith.
I think it is a misconception that Catholic laity are out to convert everyone to their religion.
I have never had a Roman Catholic knock on my door, and try to convert me to their religion.
I have not been taught that it is my mission to do so. I have never heard it encouraged in church or school(eight years of parochial education).
I do think it is important for two people, of different faiths, to come to an agreement on how they will practice their faith prior to marriage.
I can't speak for other Christian faiths.
I had to laugh that after a year, the shikse FINALLY figured out she was dating a Jew. It took her that long to figure it out. As we said in the frat, she had a goyische kopf. We couldn't feel too bad for the guy. He should have known she was going to play the "I must stay with my own kind" card.
She had 'gentile brains'. Oh, poor girl.
Maybe she decided she didn't want to date your friend after all.
Maybe she realized that shared religious beliefs are important to a serious relationship.
Maybe she did them both a great favor.
Maybe she wasn't so slow thinking after all. ^-^
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I appreciate your reply, Dr. Dan.
I know intermarriage among the races is not for me personally.
I feel it is important to preserve heritage, tradition and values.
I don't think the concept of preserving race is silly.
Is it bad to be proud of being 'white'?
It is what some people are, isn't it.
I should think that some black people feel the same way.
They might like to preserve the 'black' race and culture.
I think political correctness run amok, makes us afraid to say this though.
I'm not trying to be politically correct here.
For someone to be proud to be a specific race seems shallow to me. I think it's shallow for a black person to say he's proud to be black skinned and a white person to say the same about his skin...or a chinese person about his eyes.
Race is not a nationality..not anymore. Blacks have tried to create a culture from the color of their skin and that's why they are so backward. When and if whites do the same, they will just as far backward as blacks have fallen because they would be lifting themselves up just because they are genetically made a certain way. Rather than that, people ought to lift themselves for the culture and upbringing they are...with the religion they are...with the nationality they are...that goes with blacks and whites and anyone else.
WHat is this black pride/white pride? IT's a ridiculous concept!
I don't like terms such as black pride and white pride.
That sounds militant.
I'm just talking about taking pride in who, and what, you are.
Blacks have tried to create a culture from the color of their skin and that's why they are so backward.
I don't understand what you are saying here. I think black people should start standing up for themselves. Demand that they really be treated fair, square and indifferent. Then you will see an advancement in their culture.
I think if white people start to rest on their laurels and demand things soley based on skin color...they are surely doomed as a race of people.
But Blacks ARE standing up for themselves...they even riot when they feel justice isn't served in their favor. And it is solely because of the color of their own skin and not the merit of their culture or behavior. You are totally wrong in that last paragraph.
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Rioting is speaking up for yourself? :o
So identifying themselves as 'black' is their problem?
That is too bad. That isn't going to go away. Even with race mixing.
I think you are wrong.
Black people better start demanding better behavior from their own race...not from other races. Have some pride in themselves.
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Rioting is speaking up for yourself? :o
So identifying themselves as 'black' is their problem?
That is too bad. That isn't going to go away. Even with race mixing.
I think you are wrong.
Black people better start demanding better behavior from their own race...not from other races. Have some pride in themselves.
But that's thing...they think their current behavior is good behavior...
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Rioting is speaking up for yourself? :o
So identifying themselves as 'black' is their problem?
That is too bad. That isn't going to go away. Even with race mixing.
I think you are wrong.
Black people better start demanding better behavior from their own race...not from other races. Have some pride in themselves.
But that's thing...they think their current behavior is good behavior...
Why? How come they don't realize it isn't?
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Bullcat, Dr. Dan is not saying that blacks are good people. But what about the .5% that are?
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I use the term white pride because I don't mind sounding militant.
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No matter what race or background someone is, they should seek to not spit on their ancestors in such an irreversible manner.
You are aware that very, very, very, very few people are purely one race, aren't you?
good point.
my question to rubystars, Consider that there is a white gentile girl who is quite religious, and is in love with a black religious guy. But the family of the girl are traditionalist, and they want her to marry a boy they know who is an atheist/self hating. What would you suggest her?
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No matter what race or background someone is, they should seek to not spit on their ancestors in such an irreversible manner.
You are aware that very, very, very, very few people are purely one race, aren't you?
good point.
my question to rubystars, Consider that there is a white gentile girl who is quite religious, and is in love with a black religious guy. But the family of the girl are traditionalist, and they want her to marry a boy they know who is an atheist/self hating. What would you suggest her?
I would suggest to her not to marry either person. There are many men that she could potentially be happy with, but she only has one family and she doesn't get to trade them out for someone else. She is not obligated to violate her religion for their sake, but she should honor them as best she can. She should find someone of her own faith that would be more in line with what her parents would accept. If she and her husband can not get along with her parents, then it will cause heartache and strife for years. It would be really sad if her children were unable to have any kind of relationship with their grandparents. I think that they shouldn't tell her she should marry a particular person, but just ask her not to go with particular kinds of people who would really upset them.
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Bullcat, Dr. Dan is not saying that blacks are good people. But what about the .5% that are?
I have nothing against the 0.5% that are. I have nothing against the 99.5% that aren't. I don't want either group in my family though.
I have biracial nephews. I love them. Not crazy about their lazy arse biracial mother though. >:(
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Rioting is speaking up for yourself? :o
So identifying themselves as 'black' is their problem?
That is too bad. That isn't going to go away. Even with race mixing.
I think you are wrong.
Black people better start demanding better behavior from their own race...not from other races. Have some pride in themselves.
But that's thing...they think their current behavior is good behavior...
In the mind of an animal all behavior is good behavior. A small percentage of black society is functional however the vast majority of it could never be brought up to speed. White people who mingle with this element go right down the tubes.......Seldom and I do mean Seldom do the blacks interacting with whites improve for the better unless they were the ones who broke away from black society to be with white folks. Blacks are 12% of the population here in America and 80% of the social problems we have in society start with them.
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I stand with Rubystars on this issue. I would rather be with someone of a similar background or not be with anyone at all. What would I have in common with a black, asian, or hispanic. With a pure blood line that goes back for at least 400 traceable years why would I spoil it now. Unlike our Jewish members my concern is more on race and less on religion.
So you would choose an evil person of the same race and religion as you than someone of a different race who is righteous and the same religion as you?
No evil people are out of the mix completely.......The world is complicated enough without having to deal with evil people right under my own roof. Religion is not really a problem for me I would not care to see my wife out in the yard bowing to the old oak tree but if they believed in the G-d that gave us the Ten Commandments it would suffice for me. Race is a problem. When I open my eyes in the morning I want to see a nice white face looking back at me. At family gatherings I like it when everyone blends in real nice. I would not want my children black red yellow or mixtures in between I would want them to look just like me. If race mixing improves society it going to have to be someone else doing the improving because it wont be me.
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I stand with Rubystars on this issue. I would rather be with someone of a similar background or not be with anyone at all. What would I have in common with a black, asian, or hispanic. With a pure blood line that goes back for at least 400 traceable years why would I spoil it now. Unlike our Jewish members my concern is more on race and less on religion.
So you would choose an evil person of the same race and religion as you than someone of a different race who is righteous and the same religion as you?
No evil people are out of the mix completely.......The world is complicated enough without having to deal with evil people right under my own roof. Religion is not really a problem for me I would not care to see my wife out in the yard bowing to the old oak tree but if they believed in the G-d that gave us the Ten Commandments it would suffice for me. Race is a problem. When I open my eyes in the morning I want to see a nice white face looking back at me. At family gatherings I like it when everyone blends in real nice. I would not want my children black red yellow or mixtures in between I would want them to look just like me. If race mixing improves society it going to have to be someone else doing the improving because it wont be me.
What about little brown ones? Would little brown ones be ok? You didn't mention them so I thought I would ask. ;D
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Race is a problem. When I open my eyes in the morning I want to see a nice white face looking back at me. At family gatherings I like it when everyone blends in real nice. I would not want my children black red yellow or mixtures in between I would want them to look just like me. If race mixing improves society it going to have to be someone else doing the improving because it wont be me.
Are you saying that it is wrong to marry outside your race under all circumstances?
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Race is a problem. When I open my eyes in the morning I want to see a nice white face looking back at me. At family gatherings I like it when everyone blends in real nice. I would not want my children black red yellow or mixtures in between I would want them to look just like me. If race mixing improves society it going to have to be someone else doing the improving because it wont be me.
Are you saying that it is wrong to marry outside your race under all circumstances?
It's wrong for him maybe. Doesn't a person have the right to say they think it is wrong?
It's like homosexuals that want you to pat them on the back for their relationship. Give it your seal of approval. Well, I might not believe in that. Why can't people just do what they think is right, and give other people the same right. Stop making an issue out of it.
We have many interracial families where I live. Some seem to have a chip on their shoulder about it. I think most people don't care anymore. Why can't they go about their life, without needing approval, if they feel they are doing what is right for them. I can never understand that. I always feel I have to walk on eggshells around some of them. Most are good and decent people.
We have one particular interracial family that fits the first category. Their daughter goes to school with my daughter. One day their little girl stole something from my daughter. A tiny little toy. The mother is white (and carries a huge chip on her shoulder). My daughter flew out of her class screaming that this little girl stole her toy. I had to clamp my hand over her mouth. :-X :nono: I knew that mother would have a fit. Thinking my daughter accused her daughter because she is 'black'. That is the type of person she is. My daughter had to suck it up. Plus, I told her not to take the toy to school( that's another story). The little girl did steal the toy. Her twin brother told my daughter she did, later on. If it was a normal circumstance I would have just asked the little girl to check her backpack 'in case it fell in accidentally'.
People should do what they want. Live with the joy or consequences. Not make it other people's problem or look for their approval.
If a person doesn't believe in interracial marriage. Don't they have the right to that opinion?
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Race is a problem. When I open my eyes in the morning I want to see a nice white face looking back at me. At family gatherings I like it when everyone blends in real nice. I would not want my children black red yellow or mixtures in between I would want them to look just like me. If race mixing improves society it going to have to be someone else doing the improving because it wont be me.
Are you saying that it is wrong to marry outside your race under all circumstances?
I can tell you what I would say to that. I would never consider someone who wasn't white and Christian, no matter what their other qualities. Race is something I can not compromise on.
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Race is a problem. When I open my eyes in the morning I want to see a nice white face looking back at me. At family gatherings I like it when everyone blends in real nice. I would not want my children black red yellow or mixtures in between I would want them to look just like me. If race mixing improves society it going to have to be someone else doing the improving because it wont be me.
Are you saying that it is wrong to marry outside your race under all circumstances?
I can tell you what I would say to that. I would never consider someone who wasn't white and Christian, no matter what their other qualities. Race is something I can not compromise on.
You are entitled to feel that way.
I don't think I could compromise on race either.
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I use the term white pride because I don't mind sounding militant.
I think we are not in a world where it is black vs. white.. We are in a world that is righteous vs. evil. Righteous can belong to any race, religion, culture, human being...Evil the same...
Again, there is a small portion of blacks that are decent righteous people...therefore to assume a total stranger who is black is not a righteous person is justified...this justification is the understanding of the culture of which he comes from...and not because he is genetically inferior...If people realize that this is an appropriate way to think and that it isn't racist thinking, then the world and the US can change for the better.
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I stand with Rubystars on this issue. I would rather be with someone of a similar background or not be with anyone at all. What would I have in common with a black, asian, or hispanic. With a pure blood line that goes back for at least 400 traceable years why would I spoil it now. Unlike our Jewish members my concern is more on race and less on religion.
So you would choose an evil person of the same race and religion as you than someone of a different race who is righteous and the same religion as you?
No evil people are out of the mix completely.......The world is complicated enough without having to deal with evil people right under my own roof. Religion is not really a problem for me I would not care to see my wife out in the yard bowing to the old oak tree but if they believed in the G-d that gave us the Ten Commandments it would suffice for me. Race is a problem. When I open my eyes in the morning I want to see a nice white face looking back at me. At family gatherings I like it when everyone blends in real nice. I would not want my children black red yellow or mixtures in between I would want them to look just like me. If race mixing improves society it going to have to be someone else doing the improving because it wont be me.
There is nothing wrong with this..you are attracted to whites more than blacks and you find the white skin to be an attractive feature...You know you would choose someone who is a good person with these features...there is nothing wrong with this and it isn't racist...
My issue is the concept of preservation of a specific race...it can lead to evil things...even if good intentions originally were attached to it. Race is a superficial appearance..not a culture. Your choice to be with a white person is because your a physically attracted to that feature. I married someone who looks similar to me...not because of that reason...but I prefer the physical characteristics of that person. I believe that most people will choose a similar race or similar feature to themselves to marry...hopefully for the right intentions. There is nothing wrong with that.
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I think we are not in a world where it is black vs. white..
Blacks hate whites, and whites have been too kind hearted toward them for too long.
We are in a world that is righteous vs. evil. Righteous can belong to any race, religion, culture, human being...Evil the same...
Of course.
Again, there is a small portion of blacks that are decent righteous people...therefore to assume a total stranger who is black is not a righteous person is justified...this justification is the understanding of the culture of which he comes from...and not because he is genetically inferior...If people realize that this is an appropriate way to think and that it isn't racist thinking, then the world and the US can change for the better.
Wanting your own group of people to survive is not racist either.
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I think we are not in a world where it is black vs. white..
Blacks hate whites, and whites have been too kind hearted toward them for too long.
We are in a world that is righteous vs. evil. Righteous can belong to any race, religion, culture, human being...Evil the same...
Of course.
Again, there is a small portion of blacks that are decent righteous people...therefore to assume a total stranger who is black is not a righteous person is justified...this justification is the understanding of the culture of which he comes from...and not because he is genetically inferior...If people realize that this is an appropriate way to think and that it isn't racist thinking, then the world and the US can change for the better.
Wanting your own group of people to survive is not racist either.
WHite is not a people...Nor is black for that matter...that's the point i'm driving at here...Wanting one's people to survive makes sense when it comes down to nations, cultures, religions...etc..not genetics or skin color..
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I think we are not in a world where it is black vs. white..
Blacks hate whites, and whites have been too kind hearted toward them for too long.
We are in a world that is righteous vs. evil. Righteous can belong to any race, religion, culture, human being...Evil the same...
Of course.
Again, there is a small portion of blacks that are decent righteous people...therefore to assume a total stranger who is black is not a righteous person is justified...this justification is the understanding of the culture of which he comes from...and not because he is genetically inferior...If people realize that this is an appropriate way to think and that it isn't racist thinking, then the world and the US can change for the better.
Wanting your own group of people to survive is not racist either.
WHite is not a people...Nor is black for that matter...that's the point i'm driving at here...Wanting one's people to survive makes sense when it comes down to nations, cultures, religions...etc..not genetics or skin color..
I don't understand what you mean Dr. Dan.
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I think we are not in a world where it is black vs. white..
Blacks hate whites, and whites have been too kind hearted toward them for too long.
We are in a world that is righteous vs. evil. Righteous can belong to any race, religion, culture, human being...Evil the same...
Of course.
Again, there is a small portion of blacks that are decent righteous people...therefore to assume a total stranger who is black is not a righteous person is justified...this justification is the understanding of the culture of which he comes from...and not because he is genetically inferior...If people realize that this is an appropriate way to think and that it isn't racist thinking, then the world and the US can change for the better.
Wanting your own group of people to survive is not racist either.
WHite is not a people...Nor is black for that matter...that's the point i'm driving at here...Wanting one's people to survive makes sense when it comes down to nations, cultures, religions...etc..not genetics or skin color..
I don't understand what you mean Dr. Dan.
he's saying there is no such thing as a "white" nationality or ethnicity
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I think we are not in a world where it is black vs. white..
Blacks hate whites, and whites have been too kind hearted toward them for too long.
We are in a world that is righteous vs. evil. Righteous can belong to any race, religion, culture, human being...Evil the same...
Of course.
Again, there is a small portion of blacks that are decent righteous people...therefore to assume a total stranger who is black is not a righteous person is justified...this justification is the understanding of the culture of which he comes from...and not because he is genetically inferior...If people realize that this is an appropriate way to think and that it isn't racist thinking, then the world and the US can change for the better.
Wanting your own group of people to survive is not racist either.
WHite is not a people...Nor is black for that matter...that's the point i'm driving at here...Wanting one's people to survive makes sense when it comes down to nations, cultures, religions...etc..not genetics or skin color..
I don't understand what you mean Dr. Dan.
he's saying there is no such thing as a "white" nationality or ethnicity
Yes, so what.
Is there any difference between white and black people?
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WHite is not a people...Nor is black for that matter...that's the point i'm driving at here...Wanting one's people to survive makes sense when it comes down to nations, cultures, religions...etc..not genetics or skin color..
I agree.
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I think we are not in a world where it is black vs. white..
Blacks hate whites, and whites have been too kind hearted toward them for too long.
We are in a world that is righteous vs. evil. Righteous can belong to any race, religion, culture, human being...Evil the same...
Of course.
Again, there is a small portion of blacks that are decent righteous people...therefore to assume a total stranger who is black is not a righteous person is justified...this justification is the understanding of the culture of which he comes from...and not because he is genetically inferior...If people realize that this is an appropriate way to think and that it isn't racist thinking, then the world and the US can change for the better.
Wanting your own group of people to survive is not racist either.
WHite is not a people...Nor is black for that matter...that's the point i'm driving at here...Wanting one's people to survive makes sense when it comes down to nations, cultures, religions...etc..not genetics or skin color..
I don't understand what you mean Dr. Dan.
he's saying there is no such thing as a "white" nationality or ethnicity
Yes, so what.
Is there any difference between white and black people?
physically, no.
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I think we are not in a world where it is black vs. white..
Blacks hate whites, and whites have been too kind hearted toward them for too long.
We are in a world that is righteous vs. evil. Righteous can belong to any race, religion, culture, human being...Evil the same...
Of course.
Again, there is a small portion of blacks that are decent righteous people...therefore to assume a total stranger who is black is not a righteous person is justified...this justification is the understanding of the culture of which he comes from...and not because he is genetically inferior...If people realize that this is an appropriate way to think and that it isn't racist thinking, then the world and the US can change for the better.
Wanting your own group of people to survive is not racist either.
WHite is not a people...Nor is black for that matter...that's the point i'm driving at here...Wanting one's people to survive makes sense when it comes down to nations, cultures, religions...etc..not genetics or skin color..
I don't understand what you mean Dr. Dan.
he's saying there is no such thing as a "white" nationality or ethnicity
Yes, so what.
Is there any difference between white and black people?
Usually yes...
1. Physically and genetically obviously there is a difference
2. Culturally 99% of the time yes
but an anti semetic white person is exactly the same as an evil anti semetic black person...
and a generous righteous white person of the same exact religion and culture as a generous righteous black person is exactly the same...only their looks are different.
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There are individual European nations and their diaspora around the world, but there is also a larger white race to which I am a member. I want that race to survive and I do consider them to be my people.
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I think we are not in a world where it is black vs. white..
Blacks hate whites, and whites have been too kind hearted toward them for too long.
We are in a world that is righteous vs. evil. Righteous can belong to any race, religion, culture, human being...Evil the same...
Of course.
Again, there is a small portion of blacks that are decent righteous people...therefore to assume a total stranger who is black is not a righteous person is justified...this justification is the understanding of the culture of which he comes from...and not because he is genetically inferior...If people realize that this is an appropriate way to think and that it isn't racist thinking, then the world and the US can change for the better.
Wanting your own group of people to survive is not racist either.
WHite is not a people...Nor is black for that matter...that's the point i'm driving at here...Wanting one's people to survive makes sense when it comes down to nations, cultures, religions...etc..not genetics or skin color..
I don't understand what you mean Dr. Dan.
he's saying there is no such thing as a "white" nationality or ethnicity
Yes, so what.
Is there any difference between white and black people?
physically, no.
Really. What planet do I live on.
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I think we are not in a world where it is black vs. white..
Blacks hate whites, and whites have been too kind hearted toward them for too long.
We are in a world that is righteous vs. evil. Righteous can belong to any race, religion, culture, human being...Evil the same...
Of course.
Again, there is a small portion of blacks that are decent righteous people...therefore to assume a total stranger who is black is not a righteous person is justified...this justification is the understanding of the culture of which he comes from...and not because he is genetically inferior...If people realize that this is an appropriate way to think and that it isn't racist thinking, then the world and the US can change for the better.
Wanting your own group of people to survive is not racist either.
WHite is not a people...Nor is black for that matter...that's the point i'm driving at here...Wanting one's people to survive makes sense when it comes down to nations, cultures, religions...etc..not genetics or skin color..
I don't understand what you mean Dr. Dan.
he's saying there is no such thing as a "white" nationality or ethnicity
Yes, so what.
Is there any difference between white and black people?
Usually yes...
1. Physically and genetically obviously there is a difference
2. Culturally 99% of the time yes
but an anti semetic white person is exactly the same as an evil anti semetic black person...
and a generous righteous white person of the same exact religion and culture as a generous righteous black person is exactly the same...only their looks are different.
I agree that righteous white and black people do have similar qualities and values. Admirable qualities.
Still, there are great differences.
What if someone believes in preserving those differences.
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Look how much trouble people get into when they want to preserve diversity. I suppose all the pro-diversity talk is really about blending us all into one big caramel colored group with no separate identities, just like the one-world stuff and not about diversity at all. Real diversity requires a certain level of a separation, at least reproductively.
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There are individual European nations and their diaspora around the world, but there is also a larger white race to which I am a member. I want that race to survive and I do consider them to be my people.
Are Albanians, Bosnians, German Nazis, medieval Crusaders, and Ustasha part of your people? What about the murderer today at the Holocaust Museum?
That is not intended as any kind of slap or insult; it is a rhetorical question intended as a statement of fact. Many whites are every bit as monstrous as blacks and Arabs because of their particular culture.
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There are individual European nations and their diaspora around the world, but there is also a larger white race to which I am a member. I want that race to survive and I do consider them to be my people.
Are Albanians, Bosnians, German Nazis, medieval Crusaders, and Ustasha part of your people? What about the murderer today at the Holocaust Museum?
That is not intended as any kind of slap or insult; it is a rhetorical question intended as a statement of fact. Many whites are every bit as monstrous as blacks and Arabs because of their particular culture.
Of course I think those bad individuals are evil and I hate them just as much as you do.
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Race is a problem. When I open my eyes in the morning I want to see a nice white face looking back at me. At family gatherings I like it when everyone blends in real nice. I would not want my children black red yellow or mixtures in between I would want them to look just like me. If race mixing improves society it going to have to be someone else doing the improving because it wont be me.
Are you saying that it is wrong to marry outside your race under all circumstances?
Wrong would not be the correct word. Honestly I have no interest in personal relationships with people outside my race. I know a great many non white folks but they are more in the way of business relationships and casual friends. They are good people for the most part but they are not folks that I would spend a Sunday afternoon sitting around my back yard table with. Non white ladies really don't do a thing for me so it would be pointless to even consider a relationship with them. I was brought up in a slightly different day then some of the younger folks here on the forum people stuck with their own kind. As I said before I agree with Rubystars white folks should try to maintain some consistency of their race. I am slightly disturbed by some of the mulatto combinations that come out of mixed race relationships and over time neither the white or black race will exist as we know it now.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwvjJZLe40Q
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwvjJZLe40Q
:laugh: I rest my case!!
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwvjJZLe40Q
:D
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Thanks Jim Crow, that video made me laugh.
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Saw a picture of Heidi Klum's 3 kids...2 are biracial and unattractive and one is milky white...
don't know what the deal is with her family...hopefully she and Seal are happy and their kids are happy...but because they look so opposite from each other and in a racial sense, I can understand if over time they develop a complex about it.
This can be an arguement AGAINST interracial marraige (even if it is the same culture and relgion and righteousness)...
However, to each their own..the interracial parents have to be ready and prepare their children appropriately for these situations.