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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: mord on June 30, 2009, 10:31:31 AM
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may all leftists Jews have their young children kidnapped and made sex slaves by qurananimals
http://www.sabeel.org/etemplate.php?id=8
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I never realized there were that many liberals and anti semites.
I think some of those churches mentioned are not real Christian Churches.
Remember obamas pastor? He was supposedly a christian. We know that trinity was a muslim hangout.
many of those people are clueless anti semetic liberals
trying to justify their miserable existences through
a so called church.
Most Christians support Israel and share the same hatred and disgust for muslims as we Jews do.
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This is just a good example of what is happening to many church's nowadays...
It shows that they are becoming apostate, turning away from truth....following after other doctrines...
:'(
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exactly....like I said they are trying to justify their miserable lives through these fake churches that accept homosexuality and other ill moral behaviors.
You have some good perception.
Shalom - Dox
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Most Christians support Israel and share the same hatred and disgust for muslims as we Jews do.
Unfortunately, Elizabeth, I would not be so quick to state that. Certainly I would agree that all real Christians support Israel but I would count the number of genuine Christians (as opposed to merely professing) to be extremely low. We have the exact problem with nominals, self-haters, assimilationists, and wolves in sheep's clothing that you Jews have. >:(
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Right, Trinity was a United Church of Christ, which is on the list. I don't know if most Christians in general support Israel, but most Christians in America do I think. Like the Baptists are pretty pro-Israel. The Alliance of Baptists that is mentioned on this list is not an authentic Baptist church and if you go to their website you see a bunch of butch lesbians all sitting around looking depressed.
The United Church of Christ is a radically-left organization that supports abortion, fag pastors, and is at front and center of the "global warming" fight.
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I think some of those churches mentioned are not real Christian Churches.
Couldn't agree more with that.. My wife and I used to be a part of the Church of England here, but once they started Ordaining Homosexual clergy and allowing Woman to be Ordained I confronted the Rev about my displeasure of twisting the Lords word to appease current day followers..
MANY so called Christian churches of today are anything but Christian, you cannot take what's written in the Bible and twist it around to suit todays audience. It's just NOT ON.
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Most Christians support Israel and share the same hatred and disgust for muslims as we Jews do.
Unfortunately, Elizabeth, I would not be so quick to state that. Certainly I would agree that all real Christians support Israel but I would count the number of genuine Christians (as opposed to merely professing) to be extremely low. We have the exact problem with nominals, self-haters, assimilationists, and wolves in sheep's clothing that you Jews have. >:(
Hi Serb, yes and you are correct. the self hating christians exist just like the self hating jews.
It's horrible and I am afraid we have all been outnumbered.
I hope and pray all the time that G-d will intervien.
Shalom - Dox
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Make no mistake there are alot of apostate churches out there. They are all left wingers too, and are voting for people who condone abortion and gay marriage. They will be judged for their hypocricy. The net that draws the fish ( all the Christians) will be separated in the last days. The true Christians from the false apostates. Priests and Popes will be judge for their anti-semetism towards Israel. Burn baby Burn!
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Also false Jews
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Pls i want Israel to take care of itself in these matters.
India too did not pay much heed to these organisations, so today they have started armed crusades in India
http://www.assamtribune.com/scripts/details.asp?id=jun2309/State3
Gun-totting members of a newly formed militant group, named Manmasi National Christian Army, comprising 15 rebels, has been forcing the residents of Bhuban Pahar under the threat of gun to convert to Christianity.
http://www.satp.org/satporgtp/countries/india/states/nagaland/terrorist_outfits/nscn_im.htm
Its manifesto is based on the principle of Socialism for economic development and a spiritual outlook – ‘Nagaland for Christ’.
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Most Christians support Israel and share the same hatred and disgust for muslims as we Jews do.
Unfortunately, Elizabeth, I would not be so quick to state that. Certainly I would agree that all real Christians support Israel but I would count the number of genuine Christians (as opposed to merely professing) to be extremely low. We have the exact problem with nominals, self-haters, assimilationists, and wolves in sheep's clothing that you Jews have. >:(
[/quote]self-hatings Christians are not the only ones constituting problems.. The righteous/conservative Christian's who are practising atheists are also adding to the problem. Since they are full of guilt of being practising atheist, they give lot of charity... Many times they dont even try to find info about which organisation they are donating to, and how their money will be used. They just donate their money to evengalical christian they meet in church or Jehovva's witness people at their door step. The money is further used by some organisations listed here for their missionary propoganda in Israel... and to convert poor tribal Hindus in India.
There was a New Life Chuch here in India which was distributing Biblical material, what was interesting to note was that it had images of Mary in Sari and Joseph in Indian traditional dress, to make it appealing to Indian people... which actually made it look as if the gospel message is not enough to make people read it, rather images of Saints in Indian clothes would.
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I think I saw this list a year or so ago...I said the same thing then...these church's are turning/have turned apostate.....
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If they are anti-semitic, then they aren't real Christians.
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yes, exactly....
If they are anti-semitic, then they aren't real Christians.
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This is just a good example of what is happening to many church's nowadays...
It shows that they are becoming apostate, turning away from truth....following after other doctrines...
:'(
I know, this is sickening and SAD :'( :'( :'( They will suffer INTENSE wrath of the GREAT G-d of ISrael, he has had ENOUGH.
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If they are anti-semitic, then they aren't real Christians.
I don't know about the veracity of this statement. Some of the worst anti-semites were created by the church... Remember Martin Luther and The Passion of Criss..
The church has a very sad history of antisemitism and it is part of the gospels of Paul...
http://www.simpletoremember.com/articles/a/passion-history-who-killed-jesus/
http://www.messiahtruth.com/anti.html
II. Anti-Jewish Polemic in the New Testament
Much of the information in this essay has been extracted from the article[1] Removing Anti-Jewish Polemic from our Christian Lectionaries: A Proposal by Prof. Norman A. Beck[2], who is a New Testament scholar and Professor of Theology and Classical Languages at Texas Lutheran University. In his article, Prof. Beck deals with what he calls in some of his published books "… the specific texts identified as most problematic …", texts found in six of the 27 books that comprise the New Testament. Prof. Beck also identifies the offensive passages in the New Testament and indicates the instances in which all or portions of these texts are included in major lectionary series.
1. Gospel of Matthew
The Gospel of Matthew contains approximately 90 verses of defamatory anti-Jewish polemic. These are shown in Table II.A-1.
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2. Gospel of Mark
The Gospel of Mark contains approximately 40 verses of defamatory anti-Jewish polemic. These are shown in Table II.B-1.
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3. Gospel of Luke
The Gospel of Luke contains approximately 60 verses of defamatory anti-Jewish polemic. These are shown in Table II.C-1.
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4. Gospel of John
The Gospel of John contains approximately 130 verses of defamatory anti-Jewish polemic. These are shown in Table II.D-1.
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5. Acts of the Apostles
The Acts of the Apostles contains approximately 120 verses of defamatory anti-Jewish polemic. These are shown in Table II.E-1.
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6. Paul's Letters & Epistles
Within the seven letters written by Paul and the six Pseudo-Pauline and Deutero-Pauline epistles are found four verses which constitute some of the most virulent anti-Jewish polemic present in the New Testament. These are shown in Table II.F-1.
Rabbi Wein discusses the history of Jewish/Christian relations through the ages @
http://www.rabbiwein.com/-2000-Years-of-Jewish--Christian-RelationsThe-Millennium-Seriesbr6-Lectures-P178.html
For two thousand years the fate of the Jewish people and of the Christian religion have been intertwined. For most of this time, the story has not been a pretty one, especially from the Jewish point of view. This series provides an in-depth look at the origins and development of Jewish/Christian relations over the millennia. It provides history, analysis and insights into the Jewish origins of early Christianity and the beginnings of Christian theological anti-Semitism. It traces Jewish life in the Christian countries of Europe, discusses the Crusades, blood libels, expulsions and forced religious debates. It naturally details the horrors of the Holocaust and its unfortunate Christian origins. It also discusses the relationship of different Christian groupings to the State of Israel and attempts to clear a window and peer into the future of Jewish/Christian relations in the next century. It is a must for understanding the past and present of the Western religious world.
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BUT MANY OF THESE CHURCHES ARE RUN BY LEEFTISTS
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BUT MANY OF THESE CHURCHES ARE RUN BY LEEFTISTS
Obviously the leftist churches are going to be antisemitic. Leftists are usually against Israel, against G-d and against all religion.
I don't suggest that all Christians are anti-semites... But there is no way we can ignore the history...
These churches are especially worrisome in that they have friends in many evil places...
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YES, TRUE!!!!!
This is just a good example of what is happening to many church's nowadays...
It shows that they are becoming apostate, turning away from truth....following after other doctrines...
:'(
I know, this is sickening and SAD :'( :'( :'( They will suffer INTENSE wrath of the GREAT G-d of ISrael, he has had ENOUGH.
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WOW... :o :o :o
I did not even realize that Muman....
Do you think perhaps it might be translation problems, also?
The bible is full of paradoxes, also...
Paul used to kill Christians, himself.....he was a zealot...HE USED TO REALLY HATE THE CHRISTIANS...
If they are anti-semitic, then they aren't real Christians.
I don't know about the veracity of this statement. Some of the worst anti-semites were created by the church... Remember Martin Luther and The Passion of Criss..
The church has a very sad history of antisemitism and it is part of the gospels of Paul...
http://www.simpletoremember.com/articles/a/passion-history-who-killed-jesus/
http://www.messiahtruth.com/anti.html
II. Anti-Jewish Polemic in the New Testament
Much of the information in this essay has been extracted from the article[1] Removing Anti-Jewish Polemic from our Christian Lectionaries: A Proposal by Prof. Norman A. Beck[2], who is a New Testament scholar and Professor of Theology and Classical Languages at Texas Lutheran University. In his article, Prof. Beck deals with what he calls in some of his published books "… the specific texts identified as most problematic …", texts found in six of the 27 books that comprise the New Testament. Prof. Beck also identifies the offensive passages in the New Testament and indicates the instances in which all or portions of these texts are included in major lectionary series.
1. Gospel of Matthew
The Gospel of Matthew contains approximately 90 verses of defamatory anti-Jewish polemic. These are shown in Table II.A-1.
...
2. Gospel of Mark
The Gospel of Mark contains approximately 40 verses of defamatory anti-Jewish polemic. These are shown in Table II.B-1.
...
3. Gospel of Luke
The Gospel of Luke contains approximately 60 verses of defamatory anti-Jewish polemic. These are shown in Table II.C-1.
...
4. Gospel of John
The Gospel of John contains approximately 130 verses of defamatory anti-Jewish polemic. These are shown in Table II.D-1.
...
5. Acts of the Apostles
The Acts of the Apostles contains approximately 120 verses of defamatory anti-Jewish polemic. These are shown in Table II.E-1.
...
6. Paul's Letters & Epistles
Within the seven letters written by Paul and the six Pseudo-Pauline and Deutero-Pauline epistles are found four verses which constitute some of the most virulent anti-Jewish polemic present in the New Testament. These are shown in Table II.F-1.
Rabbi Wein discusses the history of Jewish/Christian relations through the ages @
http://www.rabbiwein.com/-2000-Years-of-Jewish--Christian-RelationsThe-Millennium-Seriesbr6-Lectures-P178.html
For two thousand years the fate of the Jewish people and of the Christian religion have been intertwined. For most of this time, the story has not been a pretty one, especially from the Jewish point of view. This series provides an in-depth look at the origins and development of Jewish/Christian relations over the millennia. It provides history, analysis and insights into the Jewish origins of early Christianity and the beginnings of Christian theological anti-Semitism. It traces Jewish life in the Christian countries of Europe, discusses the Crusades, blood libels, expulsions and forced religious debates. It naturally details the horrors of the Holocaust and its unfortunate Christian origins. It also discusses the relationship of different Christian groupings to the State of Israel and attempts to clear a window and peer into the future of Jewish/Christian relations in the next century. It is a must for understanding the past and present of the Western religious world.
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I could post a theological explanation here but I do not want to divide our good members. Rather, I will just conclude by saying that any so-called Christian entity that does not honor and bless its own heritage (Jewry) is phony and self-hating regardless of whether it is on the theological left, right, or center. Martin Luther was a dogmatic genius in some areas BUT his personal life, conduct, and opinions on people different than himself clearly did not reflect someone whose heart was regenerated by Christ. I know that most of so-called Christianity throughout history has been on the anti-Semitic side, but that only goes to prove what the New Testament says when it states that the tares must be separated from the wheat (i.e. the real believers must be separated from the false ones). True Christians have been and always will be a tiny and hated, persecuted minority just like the Jews.
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yes...
true...
I could post a theological explanation here but I do not want to divide our good members. Rather, I will just conclude by saying that any so-called Christian entity that does not honor and bless its own heritage (Jewry) is phony and self-hating regardless of whether it is on the theological left, right, or center. Martin Luther was a dogmatic genius in some areas BUT his personal life, conduct, and opinions on people different than himself clearly did not reflect someone whose heart was regenerated by Christ. I know that most of so-called Christianity throughout history has been on the anti-Semitic side, but that only goes to prove what the New Testament says when it states that the tares must be separated from the wheat (i.e. the real believers must be separated from the false ones). True Christians have been and always will be a tiny and hated, persecuted minority just like the Jews.
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I could post a theological explanation here but I do not want to divide our good members. Rather, I will just conclude by saying that any so-called Christian entity that does not honor and bless its own heritage (Jewry) is phony and self-hating regardless of whether it is on the theological left, right, or center. Martin Luther was a dogmatic genius in some areas BUT his personal life, conduct, and opinions on people different than himself clearly did not reflect someone whose heart was regenerated by Christ. I know that most of so-called Christianity throughout history has been on the anti-Semitic side, but that only goes to prove what the New Testament says when it states that the tares must be separated from the wheat (i.e. the real believers must be separated from the false ones). True Christians have been and always will be a tiny and hated, persecuted minority just like the Jews.
Excellent explaination Serb ^5
Shalom - Dox : )
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I could post a theological explanation here but I do not want to divide our good members. Rather, I will just conclude by saying that any so-called Christian entity that does not honor and bless its own heritage (Jewry) is phony and self-hating regardless of whether it is on the theological left, right, or center. Martin Luther was a dogmatic genius in some areas BUT his personal life, conduct, and opinions on people different than himself clearly did not reflect someone whose heart was regenerated by Christ. I know that most of so-called Christianity throughout history has been on the anti-Semitic side, but that only goes to prove what the New Testament says when it states that the tares must be separated from the wheat (i.e. the real believers must be separated from the false ones). True Christians have been and always will be a tiny and hated, persecuted minority just like the Jews.
Excellent explaination Serb ^5
Shalom - Dox : )
I could not agree more Serb!
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I could post a theological explanation here but I do not want to divide our good members. Rather, I will just conclude by saying that any so-called Christian entity that does not honor and bless its own heritage (Jewry) is phony and self-hating regardless of whether it is on the theological left, right, or center. Martin Luther was a dogmatic genius in some areas BUT his personal life, conduct, and opinions on people different than himself clearly did not reflect someone whose heart was regenerated by Christ. I know that most of so-called Christianity throughout history has been on the anti-Semitic side, but that only goes to prove what the New Testament says when it states that the tares must be separated from the wheat (i.e. the real believers must be separated from the false ones). True Christians have been and always will be a tiny and hated, persecuted minority just like the Jews.
This is one of the best posts you've ever made :)
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it is very easy to say that these organisations are not true christians or are leftists and stuff. It is very similar to how Muslims say terrorists have no religion, or that they are not muslims, But do nothing about it. There will be sanity in this world only when we rise up and fix our own people also while boycotting the enemy.
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may all leftists Jews have their young children kidnapped and made sex slaves by qurananimals
Mord, who gave you the right to curse Jewish children? No matter if their parents hold a view you don't like, or even if they were self-hating anti-Semites, the children have no guilt.
Serb, what's wrong with caring about "Global warming"? Even if you don't believe in global warming, you cannot condemn people for scientifical disagreement.